Friday the 13th (1980) KILL COUNT: RECOUNT

[@kylermiller659]

James tackling one of his largest series again and still giving us double kill counts is fan service of the highest order and that extra work does not go unappreciated

[@VeryDAWD]

Ratio

[@rider338]

Ratio

[@lucas10rock91]

But won’t do children of the corn

[@rider338]

@@lucas10rock91 I'm personally waiting for hostel which he did say he was planning on doing

[@KamikazeOTF-TV]

Yes

[@ShortHax]

Wearing the same shirt as 4 years ago and doing the video on Friday the 13th. Still better memory at remembering your past than I will ever have

[@sealandball3043]

and next is Fear Street which is coincidentally close to the title of Nightmare on Elm Street

[@Killapnguin]

Agreed

[@retiredalt]

WTF

[@geodudegaming123]

Why did it take me 5min into the video to realize that lol

[@margimango1878]

Yeah

[@RNCV-uf7wu]

"Count 'em James, count 'em!" "I will Lucy, I will!" I died at that

[@tonypeppermint5329]

It's art.

[@1base694]

get em get em

[@Chicanochars]

@@tonypeppermint5329 his gags are getting better and better

[@02844564]

I chuckled at that Skit, loved it!

[@RNCV-uf7wu]

@Paloma Ruby Yeah, the killing of a real snake should NEVER have been allowed, I refuse to believe they couldn't have come up with a prop snake for the "kill". Thank God things like that won't happen again

[@stoopanimation53]

The most annoying thing about the snake being killed was that it was a useless scene. The movie could have easily been rewritten so that the snake didn’t die. And to know that the snake was actually trained and that the owner loved it so much is just infuriating. Why think, “Ah, yes, let’s kill this man’s pet without telling him for a movie.” Instead of just cutting the scene out?

[@bluebay1031]

Even if they absolutely had to keep the scene, they could’ve easily used a fake for the actual death part. Just completely unnecessary.

[@ActionJackson669]

@@bluebay1031 considering the rest of the movie is cheesy as fuck anyways, it really wouldn't have been hard to use a fake snake for the sce8

[@aelius93]

It wasn't useless. It made you suspect Bill as the killer

[@aelius93]

However killing someone's pet is pure evil.

[@Xehanort10]

Exactly. If they meant to show that the counsellors could fight back and defend themselves it didn't work because only Alice fought back against Pamela. Everyone else was snuck up on and killed.

[@thomaschatwin357]

The fact that James is wearing the same shirt is really the cherry on top

[@epnlvr9790]

And that he dropped it on Friday the 13

[@thebakeosaurusrex8361]

It is such a good Easter egg

[@EmeraldMiner421]

Agreed

[@superstan3290]

James’s voice was a little different

[@jackojacks3255]

@@epnlvr9790 I know

[@carrastealth]

Them asking the Snake's owner to bring his snake to set so they could kill it in front of him (while NEVER telling him they were going to KILL HIS PET ON CAMERA) is truly screwed up! The fact that the owner was inconsolable and had to be held back on set and was crying afterwards makes it even worse. That they knew when they asked him to bring his PET snake they were going to kill it. That is one of the most effed up things any Director could have done to anyone.

[@spaghettinoodlechop3163]

Wait he was actually on set when they did it?!! That’s awful I could only imagine how much that hurt to have to watch

[@sukyamam]

Wouldn't he be shouting though if he was on set, the camera would of picked him up

[@carrastealth]

@@spaghettinoodlechop3163 He was on set and there. The snake was his pet and he was the one that was there to handle it for them. The snake was also an animal actor. They didn't tell him they were intending to kill it either or he'd never have done it. So he essentially put his pet snake there for the scene. Watched it unfold, and then watched them kill his snake... Yeah he was... inconsolable to say the very least, afterwards.

[@heimlichniccalsclownenthus1869]

@@sukyamam he may have had a pause in some kind of shock or confusion of what just happened before realising

[@zepp3793]

I wonder the reaction of these stupid directors and producers had

[@TheAlan136]

If Pamela was upset that no one helped when Jason was drowning, why did she kill Brenda? She ran out into a downpour to check on a kid crying for help, that is exactly the kind of counselor that would have saved Jason.

[@codiak2680]

Psychopathic lunatics have never been known for sound logical reasoning.

[@thebrideofghostface]

I think she was so crazy that she saw every counselor (whom most of which weren't even counselors when Jason went) as responsible for his death. I think it was kind of a 'all the youth are sex crazed irresponsible maniacs' type thing.

[@grantc2854]

i don.t really think it was about the counselors or Jason not saying she did,t love him she was his mother she just wanted to kill people most real seiral killers make up movtives

[@Patrick-Phelan]

I think it just boils down to the fact that by then, she was looking for an excuse. Camp counselors are morally lax because they didn't save Pam's son. Therefore, this person who is a camp counselor is morally lax, even if she's morally exceptional, because she's a camp counselor, so Pam gets to kill her.

[@Xehanort10]

In her head it was "If these teens have to die for Camp Crystal Lake to be shut down so be it."She convinced herself she was stopping what happened to Jason from happening to other kids. By the time of the first film she was so insane she was blaming people who weren't even born when Jason apparently drowned for it.

[@Tony-gy1iy]

As much as I love the Friday the 13th franchise, I fucking HATE how many of these early films were made. From dangerous/toxic set conditions, drug use, sleazy directors filming pointless nudity and now animal cruelty?! I’m a pet owner, so hearing the snake story infuriated me.

[@Drp_br_]

We must separate the art from the artists these early films… except 5 that director was so scummy

[@miketrapper0464]

I would say that the good set stories in these movies are part 6, part 8, part 9, FvJ and the remake

[@PanzerShrek94]

but a huge advantage they had that they don't have now is that there were less studio interference.

[@buenvidanadz1969]

What's the toxic set conditions on the film?

[@bigtimecena3676]

Not to mention in p2 they had a 14 year old girl in a sex scene with a grown man

[@trishtrash9339]

Killing a pet is such a disgusting thing to do. Pets are family members! Knowing that there normally isn't any (legal) consequence is just sickening.

[@TheFTeam]

I'm sure if he brings up that they lied about it he will definitely get something for it

[@jbjacobs9514]

I don't care if it was a pet or not (just makes it more insensitive), there was just no reason they couldn't have used a fake snake to kill (or they could have used the real snake up until the kill and switch it out for the fake one). Considering how inventive, creative Savini is with his kills and makeup, you would think he could have done that. Was he pissed at the guy?

[@TheFTeam]

@@jbjacobs9514 no matter what way they put it there was no reason for it. I'd be a little more then pissed if somone killed my pet after I said it was ok to look after him

[@jbjacobs9514]

@@TheFTeam That's what I am saying. I don't get the need for it at all; was just saying it is a bad thing to do whether a pet or just a creature or animal that was there or put there. Just like in Cannibal Holocaust.

[@halofornoobs93]

Considering that the vast majority of pet deaths are accidental, it would be a horrible idea to make killing one a crime

[@noahharris4852]

I think dead meat has entered a golden age. The “to the numbers” bit was mwah *chef’s kiss* really appreciate the expediency with the fear street kill counts too. I really enjoyed them

[@Catboy_Lyon]

The one for PG goreman or the title was also amazing

[@noahharris4852]

@@Catboy_Lyon yes. Just good stuff all around

[@theviewfromsixfeetunder6565]

I legitimately ugly-laughed at this week's "to the numbers" bit. It's so cool to see him really leaning into his film school chops and confident enough to play with camera angles for the sake of the gag. The break from the head-on format actually added to the humor.

[@thenerdyouexpected2513]

YO THE SHIRT IS BACK BABY

[@VeryDAWD]

Ratio

[@hankhill2254]

GG

[@EpicGamer-dk1tp]

@@VeryDAWD nice try on the ratio. also how is this comment 19hours old

[@romanfee4269]

Iconic

[@gamerboiii2474]

Yes oh

[@yurikindt6764]

Fun Fact: when Savini was preparing Bill's kill, they were using a specific type of fake blood that was toxic. When that stuff got in Harry's eye, he was taken to the hospital, and he wasn't able to see for several months. Not only that, Stavrakis was tne one who blew blood through Kevin's prosthetic when the blood pumping device broke. He later recalls that he ran to the lake to wash his mouth out. Poor guys.

[@rubyrose9258]

"Count em James! Count em!" "I WILL, Lucy. I WILL" James I swear, you're a legend 😂

[@voltagex22]

19 hours ago

[@LewisJamieson6]

@@voltagex22 ikr

[@scrat3695]

eot

[@MysticZufky]

Patreon?

[@rubyrose9258]

@@voltagex22 Im a patreon

[@Ray-fz9qy]

"I need the car, send me the script." Betsy Palmer is a mood

[@brandonhey7797]

RIP Betsy Palmer

[@kodileigh9210]

Mutually beneficial for both parties

[@RandomNirvanaSXE]

No idea why she trashes the movie and James holds her in high regards considering she's no one special. Consider her ass thankful she said yes to the iconic movie that kept her relevant.

[@overlookers]

Rest in Power, Periwinkle Queen

[@landonhudson9726]

@@RandomNirvanaSXEBecause it’s a bad Movie?

[@shadow4380]

As a pet owner, that snake's story is like a horror story to me. It's like my literal worst nightmare come true scenario. Just hearing about it makes my gut hurt, I feel so bad for the owner

[@ThizzyWailer]

Gay

[@ItsSupercat94]

@@ThizzyWailer you are so cool

[@ThizzyWailer]

@@ItsSupercat94 Awww schucks gee thanks

[@visile3765]

@@ThizzyWailer huh?

[@capt_quack4390]

@@ThizzyWailer very funny

[@williamburns2.026]

These "Kill count: Recount" videos are fun. Mainly because you get to see how far James has come over the years.

[@fishgod7535]

The saddest death in the whole series doesn't even come from Jason. Rest in peace little snake, they are helpful animals and need to be treated with more respect.

[@sjahbw]

Ok

[@ZarloSkald]

AGREED, the fact the owner didn't know it was going to be killed.....

[@chaoticneutral7976]

Poor snake looked so scared and confused during that scene. It sickens me it was someone's beloved pet that was manipulated into being used for such a pointless scene

[@user-jm6cl6fj1l]

@@ZarloSkald hold up that was a pet??

[@PWAandWJSC]

@@user-jm6cl6fj1l yep. It was an animal actor and pet that they asked if they could have in the movie. Not telling the owner they were gonna kill it.

[@wd3185]

Man, when I first heard the story behind that snake, I legitimately got pissed off. I already was sad that the snake was really killed, but when I first read about the snake being someone's pet that didn't know they were going to really kill it, I actually got legit mad.

[@leemajohn9137]

i mean ppl kill snakes who are a threat to them but to kill a snake after knowing it was not dangerous and was someone's pet is fucked up

[@wd3185]

@@leemajohn9137 I mean, if it's a venomous snake and there's no way to safely remove it, it's a different story. But killing a real snake for a movie is already wrong, never mind the fact that it was someone's pet who did not know nor give consent to chop it up.

[@leemajohn9137]

@@wd3185 i agree like its someones pet and they already know its someones pet

[@kylereese5841]

It's a snake, am I the only one who doesnt care, haha.

[@joshuahurdle239]

They shouldn't have killed a real snake regardless, being that it was someone's pet makes it even worse. I'm really surprised they didn't get sued or criminal charges brought against them. F13 could have ended before it even got going due to some guys stupidity.

[@TellItAnimated]

This is the best remake of a Friday the 13th ever 👌

[@corporatelettings1786]

Hmm

[@keenanreacts3154]

Hi big fan of you

[@nrlstatistics4898]

Not like there’s much competition

[@neptunemuffin927]

Oh wow :/

[@TheJoker-vz9fl]

I mean....true 👁👄👁

[@bigfoot9847]

Reading that the crew held back the handler after the killing of the snake because he was inconsolable makes me so sad for the both of them

[@KateCantDraw]

HE WAS THERE?! THOSE MONSTERS SLAUGHTERED HIS PET IN FRONT OF HIM?!

[@poliznia]

@@KateCantDrawthey’re all disgusting animal killers, and I’ve never respected any of those actors sense

[@phoenixfunny4517]

​@poliznia that's not really on the actors though

[@HassenOsnel]

@@poliznia I don't think the actors knew that the snake was a pet. The real culprit here is the director for using an animal that he KNEW was someone's pet and still killed it.

[@joshuaholland5279]

I don’t like snakes but that’s still someone’s pet WTH Friday director

[@chaos6974]

For someone who counts kills James is the human embodiment of the word “jolly”

[@pengoschwortz4734]

That part ^^^

[@the9der352]

You’re not wrong

[@everythingdivine]

🎭

[@londonbordeaux]

Which is why i love him sm. I'm also named James btw

[@nonenonson5547]

Agreed

[@frenchpressit]

According to Screenrant about the snake death + handler: Also, the snake - which was a harmless bull snake - was accompanied by a handler who didn't know about the snake's intended fate. There are some unclear details about the handler's involvement, but by many accounts, he was incredibly upset by the snake's death, had to be held back by crew members after it happened, and some even say he can be heard crying off-camera following the snake's death, as he was inconsolable. :( I agree James. If this is what happened, that's horrible.

[@BoxOKittens]

Yeah there's no excuse for what they did to that poor snake. It would be horrible enough if it was a wild snake, but it was someone's loved pet. I would try to kill someone if they killed any of my pets.

[@Josie-6]

This isn’t even a bull snake, so idk how much I’d trust screenrant. 😅 I keep a lot of different types of snakes. This isn’t a bull snake.

[@content6907]

@@Josie-6 it's still a supposedly dead snake my guy

[@silvergir89]

And 18 months later PETA was formed.

[@muzansfedora]

That's awful wtf! 😟

[@GoreyBits]

Don’t call it a comeback! This kill count’s got a death curse. Happy “Crazy Ralph was right” day everyone! 🪓

[@tonypeppermint5329]

AAAAA

[@romd0m786]

Nice ll cool j reference

[@midnightthesmartfox9981]

NEVER COME BACK AGAIN!

[@RealBradMiller]

You ain't shittin'!

[@ryanstagemeyer1816]

@@romd0m786 I’m glad someone else got it

[@Not_Luke_5]

I just noticed that James is wearing seemingly the exact same shirt as in the first episode and I love that detail

[@DeadMeat]

It is the same shirt!

[@Not_Luke_5]

@@DeadMeat Oh my gosh I didn’t think you’d actually see this, let alone reply but uhhhh hi, love ur work!

[@RandomShinigami7]

"...Halloween is making incredible money at the box office, let's rip it off" Y'know, it's kinda refreshing to hear them just say it flat out like that.

[@wingzero7X]

Seriously, especially funny when they rip them off so hard they release the movie a week apart from each other

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Yep.

[@thatkidcgonzo]

F13 arguably became bigger than Halloween so ig it worked lol. Edit: I think Jason is more iconic than Michael Myers tbh.

[@jasdeepsingh7874]

I would always choose Halloween over Friday The 13th.

[@thatkidcgonzo]

@Terence Johunkin There's literally an ongoing lawsuit over the rights of the f13 films..clearly you weren't paying attention to James. That's why there's no current films. You talking about the "transition" like Halloween Resurrection was so mind blowing..cuz that bombed worse than Jason X and at least Jason X was different and James personal favorite. You don't gotta agree, but don't be a dick about it, some people like Halloween more, some people like f13 more.

[@jockeyfield1954]

if it weren't for james starting on friday the 13th, i may have never gotten into horror in general, since friday the 13th is what cleared a path for me to get into slasher, such as halloween, texas chainsaw, and nightmare on elm street. so, thanks james, thanks for doing these kill counts, because you can help people like me get into horror.

[@CG-rl8wx]

I would never having gotten over horror movies since I look to this youtube channel for a sort if preview of scary movies like these

[@minuette1752]

Nightmare on Elm Street was mine when I was like 12 or 13.

[@DeadMeat]

I never get sick of hearing this. Thanks so much!

[@ripvanishh4723]

@@DeadMeat you got me into horror also

[@herewego02]

Dude, just imagine being the poor guy who was asked to give his little snake friend for a shoot, come back to retrieve his pet, and then the director is like “oops sorry friend, we actually killed it 😅” It really sucks :/

[@CaptainDoomsday]

Not even "oops sorry," he got to see them deliberately kill it. I'm amazed there wasn't some incident that held up the movie's production after that.

[@justarandomlad3756]

@@CaptainDoomsday Mate was definitely paid off

[@gunkymcsplunky]

@@CaptainDoomsday believe or not, it was actually perfectly fine and legal to do shit like this in films during that time. If it was the 90s to present day they would’ve gotten into massive trouble.

[@adrielcruz2736]

@@justarandomlad3756 no the crew physically held him back from stopping them and beating the shit out of the director

[@saulhernnadez9203]

@@adrielcruz2736 it’s true they held him down and clapped his cheeks too

[@LivelyDays23]

I’m very neutral towards snakes but I’ve known people who’ve had them as pets and the sheer amount of love they hold for them. Bonds between snakes and owners can be incredibly deep surprisingly. I can only imagine the amount of pain the owner must’ve felt.

[@ey_is_me777]

ikr :(( i'm a snake owner, and i absolutely love her sm. i couldn't even imagine the amount of pain i'd feel if she died in a situation like that, it is just so unnecessary when they could've easily just used a fake snake for the death

[@editgenix4122]

The thing is snakes can’t actually feel love to a human they lack empathy and that part of the brain

[@sloppyphart7879]

@@editgenix4122 there's always THAT guy, isn't there? Humans still feel love, smartass. And this is a heartbreaking story all the same, especially seeing as snakes certainly feel fear.

[@editgenix4122]

@@sloppyphart7879 no lol

[@DrDolan2000]

I was never fond of snakes myself. I mean, they bite you! But I imagine that's probably because they feel threatened if someone gets too close; that's how animals are Hopefully some fucking apologies came later. Maybe a new pet snake that they paid for, too. If not, then they're still dick-bags. Rest in peace, snake

[@DrunkenHorseman]

I love how older James was more disappointed with the first kills (that being the camp counselor couple) and now he's not as disappointed (not to mention Steve's death)

[@Bresocharming]

Well technically that's the younger James 😂😂😂

[@Vampirecronicler]

He learned not to get his hopes up

[@MegaMr46]

Back then he wasn’t full of energy like he is now.

[@GoredonTheDestroyer]

"You too good for horror, Kevin?" Is a great quip because Kevin Bacon's career started to slip toward the latter half of the '80s, and his acting career was saved by another horror movie - The one and only Tremors.

[@miketrapper0464]

I loved his performance in Tremors

[@Cyberfan2167]

Also hollow man, gotta love hollow man

[@lunacy9825]

And now he is back with They/Them

[@authoranonymous8892]

@@Cyberfan2167 I hope they do a kill count on Hollow Man, it's so underrated as a film.

[@ChaseMC215]

Bixby!!

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

"Well, I told you once before, but it's always good to go back and double check your work. Let's get to the kills." Literally no better way to start off the recount series, that was perfection.

[@soarimg]

Hello there

[@slowerhands1941]

There you are! And just a friendly reminder if you see this guy every where, you are every where as well.

[@blayneownby214]

@slowerhand I never thought about that

[@_Caz]

An omnipresent person without a moustache

[@wistful3631]

I just saw you a few minutes ago and here you are on another video

[@AychSkwaird]

Jame’s little recreation of Betsy Palmer’s acting at the numbers bit is an under-appreciated moment

[@lmabe479]

Damn we upgraded from 6 minutes to 25 minutes, love that he came back to update the video with more details about it instead of just the kills.

[@VeryDAWD]

Ratio

[@brayh212]

@@VeryDAWD L.

[@MoNehNeh17]

money….. longer vids can put in more ads -without being a strongly hated channel

[@satsubatsu347]

So bloated.

[@realangelabaker88]

@@VeryDAWD are you 12

[@Jackendo]

I recently got to meet Harry Manfredini for one of my classes, and as a shameless Friday the 13th fanboy the first thing I asked him was about his experience on Friday the 13th & why he decided to hop on board with the project. He looked me dead in the eye, pulled out a wad of cash and just went “Money”. That was also the reason why he kept returning. I find it really funny how a lot of people when making these movies really didn’t expect it to blow up the way that it did and just saw it as an easy source of income.

[@ax0l297]

OH YEA MR KRABBBS

[@AmateurBarbarian]

Like those guys who chose points on the original Star Wars instead of taking a flat rate of $1000 or whatever it was.

[@evilolive4711]

Nobody: James: I was gonna give the decapitation the golden chainsaw, but they didnt use a real head

[@Fable_Bloodworth]

Also a note to add about Ari. He actually went on to start a band called "First Jason" and most of the songs he writes and performs are about the Friday the 13th series. I've seen him in concert and it's a hell of a ride. The same enthusiasm he brought to his role to to meeting fans, he brings onto the stage to perform. Absolutely love the man!

[@StragProductions]

Kevin Bacon does a lot of very bizarre mobile phone ads here in the UK. I really don't know why. But I really distinctly remember that one of the first ones he did involved him dressing up as all of his famous film roles sharing a house together and this is one of them. There's just this shot of him walking around with that arrow thing sticking through his neck so I guess he has, at the very least, acknowledged this movie that way.

[@mattchapman2054]

EE

[@blakeyo1235]

He posted a gif of his death last Friday the 13th. He just probably doesn’t wanna do interviews, that’s time consuming

[@deactivatedperson3759]

Tell me if anyone finds the name

[@Carolinemp]

Smiling like an idiot watching this. I distinctly remember binging every episode of the kill count when I found it in like 2019. Now I can’t imagine my Friday mornings or my work time without James telling me all about the kills. Great to see and be here for the growth!

[@alexishallo2423]

Yep i did the same.thing in 2020

[@Chicagocanine]

That’s so sad about the snake! I knew they killed a snake which was already horrible but I didn’t realize it was actually someone’s pet.

[@DanielSelk]

That makes it WORSE! =( If someone killed MY pet on a film set there would be hell to pay!

[@misteranthropy7082]

@@DanielSelk yeah I'd be doing some John wick shit

[@LucianUchiha]

@@DanielSelk it's even worse when you consider the fact he was on set and they had him there and watching while they killed it

[@gavingambuzza1824]

@@DanielSelk I guarantee you, you would do absolutely nothing

[@MrSkullHead1250]

I feel like they should have had Palmer in more of the film. Not only because it is so random and obvious when she comes in at the end, that she is the killer, but because Betsy Palmer is my favorite part of this movie. More of her would have been awesome. Plus a ''who done it'' feel to the movie would have obviously worked if you had her through out the movie. Try to surprise the audience, she works at the camp, shes a friendly older lady, throw in some misdirection. She is recognized in the film, so just make her blend in, the killer hiding in plain sight. Then at the end BAAAM oh my god, the older lady did it!! I wasn't expecting her at all. Instead we get her coming in at the end, and anyone whos anyone would be like >.> She is obviously the killer.

[@miketrapper0464]

But eh it is what it is

[@Smiley0.1]

Think this is probably why Betsy herself said what a piece of shit lol.

[@tennillej9601]

You could have done a better job at writing the script

[@ShannonMcDowell71]

When I was 9 years old in 1980, I managed to get a horror magazine (Fangoria, maybe?) about "Friday the 13th," since I was too young to see the movie. It seemed like some sinister, dark forbidden film that I couldn't wait to eventually see. Fast-forward to 2019, I re-watched it on a streaming service one night, and I was stunned at how slow and laborious some scenes were. Thank you for this "recount" of this franchise - I enjoy your first videos on it, but the recount version is MUCH more informative. Thanks to everyone behind Dead Meat!

[@lovelybtches]

Damn your older then my parents

[@sjahbw]

Ok

[@francosc7899]

UR A BOOMER im kidding

[@ShannonMcDowell71]

@@lovelybtches Life at 50 is strange - I feel like I have the mind of a 30 year old and a body of 80 year old. Peace!

[@_Jay_YT]

Funny you mention fangoria, you can see one of the actresses holding an issue at 1:22. Made me chuckle after seeing your comment!

[@snubsnab8022]

I didn’t think that re-doing these was going to bring back a whole lot to the originals, But holy fucking cow dude. I couldn’t have been more wrong. This was both super informative and outright hilarious. Great job James I’m super excited for this.

[@DeadMeat]

Thank you!

[@nlafleur75]

@@DeadMeat will u do the other flims?

[@nlafleur75]

@KingOfStillwater Boss yay!

[@weeoth8380]

@@DeadMeat I don't wanna be that guy but I gotta day I liked the first version more. I might be the only one though

[@dirtybirds423]

@@weeoth8380 you are.

[@jiitterbuggg]

the snake thing upsets me so much I can’t imagine losing a pet in such a brutal way :(

[@swenpai]

yeah that really sucks, that scene was so pointless. :/

[@thenexus8384]

At least if they used a random snake they found in the wild they'd still piss people off but at least not kill someone's pet

[@Donika691]

What they did to that snake was criminal. It belonged to someone else, that person loved the snake AND they could have very very easily either used a fake snake for the kill scene (they can do that expertly with human gore so why not the snake?) or not had that scene at all. It was needless and horrible and makes me very glad there are laws against that kind of thing now. It makes me think of another animal that was actually killed, but unfortunately I don't remember what movie, I only watched James's kill count of it and he pointed it out, but anyway I remember the animal was an Ox.

[@Donika691]

@@thenexus8384 It'd still be bad considering how easily they could have done that scene without killing any snake. Why needlessly kill anything? (the only times it's justifiable to kill any animal is self defense, hunting for food, or killing for mercy if the animal is sick/hurt beyond healing. If it's not for one of those reasons than it's just sick and fucked up.

[@Chiller-pc1dv]

@@thenexus8384 Or just use a fake one?

[@MrMoNkE380]

Can we just appreciate how much James's horror collection has grown behind him?

[@iveybullard8988]

Honestly the best part of this movie is Adrienne King. She is an absolute gem of a person. Met in her person and friends on Facebook. She is so freaking nice.

[@silvergir89]

And if it weren't for that real-life stalker she had in-between movies she could of lived like Laurie does. Just without retconning the series every 2 or 3 movies.

[@fireentertainment5]

69 likes

[@iveybullard8988]

@@fireentertainment5 Schwing!

[@bennyhoward1391]

I just realised that this is one of the few horror movies with a twist that was actually elevated by later films. Back in the 1980 people probably thought the twist was ok with Pamela but now if someone watches this film for the first time thinking that Jason is the killer then they will be surprised.

[@morganzimmerle9237]

Exactly what happened to me about 9 years ago. I was expecting it to be Jason the whole time and was blown away when it was his mom.

[@Rafael-2105]

It's so cute how Chelsea got him a piece of wood and he loves it.

[@SPENCERH30]

I bet Chelsea got some wood in return that day 😏

[@viktorastsilis4072]

manchester united

[@internetual7350]

@@SPENCERH30 Oh God...

[@thenexus8384]

@@SPENCERH30 why did you have to say that

[@ericastein3926]

How did she get that?! That’s awesome! The dock wood not the James wood

[@itz_snipe]

My mom actually went to that camp while they were filming when she was young. I can’t believe they let the kids stay there while they were filming lol

[@rythmic8911]

Wows that’s an amazing story! Would be kinda scary staying their, though

[@Katecrumbs]

Your mom was going to summer camp in November?

[@JDmotionsAlt]

​@@rythmic8911there*

[@rythmic8911]

@@JDmotionsAlt a bit late but tru that

[@JDmotionsAlt]

@@rythmic8911 lol

[@dfailsthemost]

I imagine a scenario wherein while writing this script, James is shaken to his core as he keeps finding kills he somehow missed the first time.

[@oflgn6929]

Nah, the comment section usually shows up with pitchforks and torches when that happens ;)

[@parisgreen4600]

Now that would be a theme for a horror movie itself - the movie has been evolving over the years and really did change!

[@sjahbw]

Ok

[@alastair852]

“I hope King didn’t pay here a receipt…” I think that might be the peak of wrestling references most of the audience won’t get.

[@VeryDAWD]

Ratio

[@rickytr3y]

Im a huge wrestling fan and i still dont get that reference lol

[@JragonL1m]

@@VeryDAWD this isn’t tiktok

[@michaelnaramore9310]

@@rickytr3y it means when a wrestler actually hits the other hard either by botch or to sell. the other has a receipt (basically a gentleman's agreement) that they can actually hit them back. One of the famous ones is undertaker and Randy Orton as randy messed up with a chair shot and undertaker merely tricked randy that he was going to cash his receipt during their hell in a cell match (undertaker did a completely safe chair shot on randy instead of cashing and never cashed in that receipt)

[@briangordon2955]

@@michaelnaramore9310 Most recent one that springs to mind is Brock smoshing up Strowman after he clobbered him. Those are two big beefy chaps! I'm sure there was a super subtle wrestling reference I clocked in a recent rewatch of a kill count. I'll be sure to return if I remember.

[@MusicalJourneysThruCinema]

I agree with James. I thought the first Friday was pretty bad too. I found it really slow and pretty boring. I prefer most of the sequels but this one is possibly my least favorite of the franchise.

[@am_proatgaming8630]

Ratio

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

Tbh this one is only my favorite because I find Pamela to be a considerably more interesting villain than Jason.

[@leagueofdead569]

I haven't watched the first one but I kind of hate it already because they killed someone's snake. It would be bad enough if it was wild but killing someone s pet is just fucked.

[@ellislalu2497]

In my opinion goes to he'll is the worst Friday film

[@Smiley0.1]

@@leagueofdead569 for fuck sake, how low budget was the first movie? They could've used a goddamn sausage painted in the color of the actual snake and let the guy chop it while it was zoomed in so noone really could tell it was a sausage

[@underratedgrapejuice]

seeing james' progress in talking to the camera is so cool going from talking fast and kinda monotone to being super funny and informative, its really awesome

[@fockingreat1125]

13:17 Fun fact, according to Kevin Bacon, stills of this specific scene/shot are one of the most frequently requested items he's autographed. He also said that it weirds him out so many people want him to sign a picture of him getting graphically murdered lmao, which is fair...

[@rimurutempest4945]

Lol, that’s gotta be pretty messed up, and could explain why he distances himself from the franchise.

[@MrLittleman606]

The snake story is a depressing realization. I watched this movie for the first time before watching and when that scene happened my friend and I questioned if it was real. This honestly makes it difficult to enjoy this movie now. I appreciate you bringing this attention and for making another amazing kill count. You work incredible hard and it really shows.

[@lukeguy6978]

@@DavidVanPatten358 you have tf2 as your profile pic, talking about being a beta lmao

[@MrLittleman606]

@GoGodman1972 I'm just a big animal lover. I hate seeing animals die in movies in general. Having a real pet snake get cut in half for a scene that didn't need to exist, makes the movie a little depressing. When the movie isn't great to begin with, having this tacked on to it makes it hard for me, personally, to enjoy the film.

[@diana-db8wf]

@@DavidVanPatten358 don't be such a try-hard a-hole.

[@ivybennett2274]

@@DavidVanPatten358 imagine unironically using terms like beta

[@nasonaso8356]

@@DavidVanPatten358 Thanks, Manly Man Manners

[@dionysustheaceson3457]

"You too good for Horror, Kevin?" Give it a decade, the Tremors will send him back

[@foondoom7850]

He played in leprechaun 🍀 too😌

[@yroppoor]

lol

[@guygamer3dplayz]

Next up is Tremor, don't get confused with the film tremors from the 80s (reference haha yes.)

[@am_proatgaming8630]

Ratio

[@FrancescoTakesItEasy]

He's appeared in the special features for Arrow's release of Tremors that came out last year. Maybe one day he'll talk about Friday.

[@annah9335]

Jame's transitions to the numbers are iconic and amazing. I never get tired of them

[@acairconditioning5666]

Man, the snake death made me sad when I found out originally, now it’s just even sadder that it was someone’s pet

[@natedetailscars]

Did James look back at his original video and say to himself, "WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT..."? 😉 It's really cool to see you reboot your first video in your more natural, developed style. You're obviously much more comfortable in front of the camera and add a LOT more to the backstory of the movies these days. Love it.

[@motodog242]

I think he probably told himself that when REACT asked him to be on for reacting to his first vid.

[@streetrat48]

You can recount all the movies you want, James. You'll never escape Thankskilling 3.

[@lflagr]

I always loved how Mrs. Voorhees killed the other counselors within seconds, yet with Alice it was this colossal struggle lol

[@bellamybomb]

I literally just watched this movie an hour ago for the first time in my life and had the EXACT same thought

[@natethegreat6573]

The freaking end before the count with Lucy is a honest masterpiece

[@shadowrosegaming3566]

James visibly had a lot of fun doing that

[@jeremyross9698]

Not gonna lie, I've lost a bit of respect for Savini regarding the snake thing. Sure, his effects are unmatched, but that was a dick move on his part.

[@internetual7350]

Same great special effects artist but God damn can he be an asshole.

[@littlebug1392]

A bit? Man, I lost all respect! Animal cruelty is a no-go, it's absolutely disgusting! That poor guy who trusted them with his snake...

[@Smiley0.1]

@@littlebug1392 it's ok, you can have Rick Baker as your new favorite special effects artist if you want

[@sourqueen2351]

@@littlebug1392 Same i love horror films but as James says be good people

[@jbjacobs9514]

@@Smiley0.1 Rick Baker is AWESOME!

[@DOOMStudios]

I am actually fine with James doing new Versions of his old Kill Counts i just hope he doesn’t delete the old ones because they are still enjoyable

[@TheTheninjagummybear]

He won't delete them

[@sylars7775]

these new kill counts gonna be unlisted... at least thats what ive heard

[@jackjjorgensen2501]

The original ones are unlisted, the link to them is in the description

[@jackjjorgensen2501]

@@itdobeshockin oh, interesting. i just remember the night of the living dead kill count was made unlisted after james put the new one up

[@MrBlueSkyof1607]

Night of is unlisted so far.

[@JBM1428]

I actually really like all the slow panning shots in this movie. They really let the camera linger on the lake scenery, and it helps sell the summer camp vibe for the setting. My biggest issue with the movie is so many off-screen deaths, especially Brenda and Bill. Even though they’re not fleshed out characters, I liked both of them and they deserved much better death scenes.

[@ConnorTheUndying]

"Did you know? There was a young kitty named Lucy who didn't get pets one day?" NO! _NO!_ IT'S JUST NOT _FAIR!!!_

[@firstname7606]

Press f to pay respect for lucy

[@HopePapernacky]

@@firstname7606 F

[@amungus8980]

F

[@ConnorTheUndying]

f

[@burn_pigeon]

f

[@DanielSmith_19]

Same first movie, same first shirt. Ah, memories. Something else you did again in fhis video, and I don't know if it's just me who noticed when this changed later on, is that when you say "In all our favourite horror movies", in this re-count you put the emphasis on *all* again like you always did, instead of on *horror* like you do in later kill counts. I can't remember when it changed, but I remember the first time you said "Where we tally up the victims in all our favourite *horror* movies" and not "Where we tally up the victims in *all* our favourite horror movies". I guess it doesn't bother me, I just noticed it. Either way, I'm damn happy I came upon dead meat! You've been one of my favourite youtubers to watch for more than two years now and I'm not stopping now!!!!

[@DeadMeat]

Good catch, Daniel - I did that intentionally, as a throwback. As for when it changed, I believe it was some time around the Prowler / Blood Quantum era, shortly after I moved

[@thebrideofghostface]

@@DeadMeat No one is a bigger Dead Meat stan than Mr. Dead Meat himself.

[@jucool5]

@@DeadMeat dang wish i woulda caught it. You have a great channel and i love your videos!

[@BXLMXNT]

@@DeadMeat nice

[@gabriellealtman]

i absolutely adore all inclusions of lucy in the Kill Counts, even if it's just her being adorable and fluffy on the floor

[@RtM84]

Interesting fact. My dad actually met Kevin Bacon a few years after this movie. My grandmother trained horses and Kevin Bacon wanted her to train his and Kyra Sedgwick's horses. Really cool story

[@Mister_Dollz]

There was absolutely no need to kill that snake, they could've either found a wild snake or just gave the snake to a pet shop and avoided killing someone's real life pet.

[@creativebro4915]

Are you vegan

[@thatchick115]

@@creativebro4915 what does being vegan have to do with not killing someones pet?

[@thatchick115]

@@skrimper being vegan has nothing to do with not wanting someone to watch their pet be killed in front of them

[@styww2w461]

@@skrimper it’s not about killing the snake it’s about the fact it was a pet, imagine someone kills your dog and they turn round and say it ok cause they got a video of it?

[@Mollymauking]

they shouldve have killed a snake at all, just cut away god damn. if you can make human gore props you can make a dead snake prop.

[@Josie-6]

I would lose my ever loving shit if someone killed my animal like that. It’s partially because I keep a lot of different reptiles, but if it had been my snake, I would’ve been arrested that day.

[@idrabohm3678]

I'm with you there. Kill my snake and you leave in a body bag.

[@freck2614]

Tho I am scared of snakes that poor thing didn’t deserve it. They even held the snakes owner back because he was upset.

[@ripvanishh4723]

They should’ve just got a random snake from the woods

[@idrabohm3678]

@@ripvanishh4723 I guess it would be better than killing someone's beloved pet that stayed docile before its death because it trusted that humans wouldn't hurt it, but killing a living animal just so the director could get a realistic take is still absolutely not ok.

[@Xehanort10]

18:19 Betsy Palmer herself said in an interview that she told Sean Cunningham that Pamela should have had a scene before the reveal. She suggested that Pamela should have been in the diner Steve Christy went to and warned him against reopening the camp.

[@DougieYT]

That would’ve been a good idea

[@quinnmolder]

the cooter comment at 19:14 gets me every time. best channel on youtube hands down

[@Clownbunnycosplay]

I love how awkward she looks, while the throat prosthetic is being made, it reminds me how uncomfortable prosthetics are

[@vynthiswechseln3868]

It do suck.

[@hihello-gg9mu]

yeah! it also made me chuckle a bit seeing her face.

[@wizkid3643]

At first I thought "it's sweet he wants to give more love to his roots in the channel, but I've been here since his second kill count ever so long time fans probably don't need that" and yet here I am learning that this movie was heavily "inspired" by Halloween for the first time. So cudos James, this is why you're the best. You really knocked it out of the park.

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

This is your first time realizing? Did you watch the movie

[@paralysis_unknown3872]

"Oh you know chillin, killin" was that a reference James.

[@SadCat-gd7td]

WAAAZZZAAAAAP 👻👻👻👻

[@phoenixon3463]

honestly i found you through the first friday the 13th kill count and I loved it and still do! the original kill counts have their own charm and I love them, but I do love that you are recounting! thanks for giving this series (and every horror movie) so much dedication, respect, and care!

[@Sinastyr]

"You put out an ad falsely advertising a movie that isn't written and doesn't exist, that's impressive, here take my money" - a plan that worked out

[@zachflag6506]

Like maxing out your charisma and barter stats

[@RecluseBootsy]

This level of self reflection and criticism is refreshing. Aware of mistakes but not deprecating at all. Bravo. And i salute you for giving the original slasher franchise it's proper dues. 👌

[@KitKat_630]

I’m so upset about the death of the snake. That snake and their owner deserved much better than that.

[@ShavayD]

369th like

[@secret8151]

The owner never even consented to having the snake killed 😢 Edit: Not that it would have mattered if they consented or not, the snake deserved much better

[@tbnrrenagade9507]

As someone who has spent a lot of time studying snakes, it pains me to think people could get more evil to them than rattlesnake roundups. (Rattlesnake roundups are where they gather a bunch of rattlesnakes and compete to kill the most snakes. in some US states they're often hunted and shot dead during their hibernation) The fact that they killed a domesticated snake makes it far worse as even at the time snakes were an impossibly easy thing to fake and easier to randomly find wild. Killing it on camera is an insult to me personally, especially considering the alternatives; more so if you account for the previously mentioned things people do to snakes and rattlesnakes especially. That specific snake has one of the lower kill counts yearly (domesticated) of any domestic species, almost adding salt to the wound. No clue who the owner is, but I do hope he get's/got the last laugh. (Personally, I'd go pretty far to get revenge for something like this). Not going to lie, I very rarely cry, but that almost had me in tears. To end this little rant, I'd like to say that humans have treated snakes unfairly since gaining intelligence (look at history/mythology regarding them; especially the Bible) and I think we would do well to realise what we've done over the centuries and are still doing today. I thank all who've read this and would appreciate others trying to wash off the evil stereotype for snakes our ancestors have painted in our minds.

[@oldironsides4107]

It would be common sense to kill a venemous snake that is in the area of your home. Especially if you have children. If you’re a lone fella. Sure leave them be.

[@oldironsides4107]

“Very rarely cry”. I don’t believe you. You would have to cry often. If you cry if you see an animal getting killed. A snake with no feelings. Got to you? I’m sorry I’m being a dick. ❤️

[@tbnrrenagade9507]

@@oldironsides4107 I'm a strange person. besides, people are more unnecessarily cruel to snakes than any other creatures. also, most domesticated snakes have their venom glands removed or fangs snapped so the snake probably wasn't even that dangerous.

[@clinton8421]

@@tbnrrenagade9507 That snake was some species of harmless colubrid. A kingsnake, I believe. Edit: not a bullsnake.

[@casesoutherland4175]

I completely agree

[@DeathGrip1202]

James: "Italian neorealism is so notoriously slow paced and plodding, its most famous film is about a man searching for his dog." Me: "That's not true. Arguably, the most famous Italian neorealist film is about a man searching for his bicycle."

[@TheOverachiever7]

What movie is that? My friend could be interested in it.

[@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747]

The whole line was "neorrealism, so famous for its low urgency, that its most famous film, Umberto D, is 90 minutes of man searching for his dog". Like dude, I still like James, but that was a terrbile take.

[@pickledpeckers7789]

@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 I mean he’s not wrong

[@taylorester2658]

Pee wees big adventure?

[@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747]

@@pickledpeckers7789 Have you watched Rome Open City, Bycicle Thives or La Strada? They're not unconcecuential at all. Rome Open City features fucking Nazis, for fuck sake!

[@ianssirensproductions7418]

It was just messed up to kill someone’s pet snake with out then knowing. He asked to borrow it and then killed it Holy shit I was not thinking 1K like for this ty

[@harry7089]

it really was

[@deanfernandes7604]

@@may_vfx280 I hate snakes as well but it was harmless and trained and it belonged to someone who didn't knoe they were going to kill it and killed the snake right in front of them

[@ianssirensproductions7418]

@@LateBlossoming exactly

[@fiona4449]

@@may_vfx280 with that logic we straight up kill everything???? The snake was not harming anyone and was someone's pet

[@WadeAlma]

Savini is a well known jackass and thief in the industry so at this point it's not surprising.

[@benjaminrogers9464]

I applauded at the intro for the kill count. Our wise cracking, informative host and his channel have come a long way, both deserving recognition. James A. Janisse revitalized my love for horror movies and I can’t thank him enough.

[@zebitus5731]

My grandma tells me she and her friend snuck into this movie when they where teens and that ending made them run out of the theater screaming

[@wolftamer5463]

I definitely think “dependable” is a good description for Friday. It’s not really the best in any one category, but it still tends to be somewhat consistent in all the elements you expect and want. Personally, I actually really like the first one for its simplicity.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

It’s kind of like the Fast and Furious or Marvel franchise It’s not high art but it’s consistently what you come for

[@scionixx9568]

Well either way it’s still one of the most iconic horror films of all times

[@elijahthomas3644]

@@scionixx9568 true but the original Halloween is miles better and way more influential hints why this movie was made not to mention Halloween 1978 is also one of the most iconic movies ever made

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

@@elijahthomas3644 Let's be honest. The original Halloween, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Nightmare on Elm Street and Scream are all WAY better than any of the Friday the 13th movies.

[@PepperJade93]

@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 finally. Somebody who can see that. I'm a huge fan of Halloween and I have no problem saying it definitely has flaws...like, seriously 😐 🤣🤣🤣🤣 But it just has a brutal edge to it, Where Friday started getting a tad bit campy.

[@vortex_9815]

4 years later: This is like the nes and snes having classic editions...what an evolution 👏

[@lilyisacat29]

Been around since the original Friday kill counts, and I gotta say, seeing James and the channel’s evolution has been truly amazing. Dead Meat became my favourite KZbin channel within a few episodes, and it’s only gotten better episode after episode. Love James, Chelsea and the team so much! Thank you for all the work and content you do. I can’t wait to see where things go from here :)

[@Slmpjh]

Kill time-stamps: 1: Barry Stabbed - in Stomach Offscreen - 6:13 2: Claudette - Camera Shoved in Her Face During a Freeze frame - 6:22 3: Annie - Throat Slit with Machete - 8:38 4: Ned - Seen Dead in Top Bunk with Throat Slit - 12:47 5: Jack - Arrow Through Back of Neck - 13:08 6: Marcy - Axe to the Face - 13:54 7: Brenda - Shot with Arrows Offscreen - 14:54 8: Steve Christie - Stabbed in Stomach just Below Screen - 15:37 9: Bill - Found Pinned to Door with 4 Arrows and Throat Slit - 16:09 10: Mrs. Voorhees - Decapitated with Machete by Alice - 19:55

[@gustajuy5983]

I love how James has evolved from just counting kills to informing people about the context around the movie and how the movie was made. Keep it up James!

[@JohnWilliams-cr2sz]

Its why I love this channel so much. The behind the scene stuff he finds and shares is fantastic. Reignited my love of the horror genre.

[@williamfranco7526]

The old speed talking James was hillarious . I enjoyed those videos a lot

[@reedwaide7305]

I love how you can tell in his voice and the way he puts the film forward that he actually genuinely still cares about it. That level of love is something I can only hope to achieve for anything

[@blueeyeddrago3540]

I remembered having a friend who knew about you and your channel he's a fan. I'm sure he is happy to see your channel continue growing.

[@calvinmatthews1527]

Imagine being a channel that was created for the sole purpose of counting kills for horror movies and then becoming the be-all-to-end-all channel of that very subject. James, you are legendary in my book.

[@withjermaine]

supreme

[@StormDatIsApproaching]

I feel so happy to have been part of the journey for the past years. Few creators are so passionate about their channel that they'd remake their first videos to give them five star treatment. We love you, James, Chelsea, Zoren and everyone involved in making this beautiful channel as fun as it is!

[@SenatorPartySocks]

“There are some unclear details about the handler's involvement, but by many accounts, he was incredibly upset by the snake's death, had to be held back by crew members after it happened, and some even say he can be heard crying off-camera following the snake's death, as he was inconsolable.”

[@Marauders4EVR]

That's horrible!

[@mycomnithegreat434]

I hope they pay for damages, and got into some severe legal trouble for that! even that wouldn't be enough punishment for killing an innocent animal, and causing the handler so much grief and heart ache!

[@CEOofAutism]

@@mycomnithegreat434 it’s been almost 50 years

[@TDizzy420]

@@CEOofAutism you just wait until the horror movie about a past killed snake's owner seeking revenge

[@boogiedaddy3434]

@@mycomnithegreat434 Nothing happened to them The animal cruelty laws for movies didn't exist yet then. During the same year, the western "Heaven's Gate" gutted cows and bled out other livestock so they could use their blood and guts for effects. They also slit the throats of 4 horses and even blew up a horse with explosives.

[@yodaya70]

One of the props people said “oh The killing of the snake was real. I don’t have knowledge how it all came about, but the handler that brought it said it was a sick snake and would have been killed anyway. After the shoot, I had to pack up the remains and keep it cold until the next day in case the scene needed to be reshot. Thankfully, it wasn’t necessary”. I hate animal cruelty but I hope that at least this is the truth cause that other story is even worse

[@LucianUchiha]

Unfortunately that isn't what happened. They had the guy on set and watching as they chopped his pet up. A domesticated, fangless snake that was trained to be an animal actor and they cut it into pieces in front of it's owner.

[@bananatiergod]

​@@LucianUchiha That is a whole new level of fucked up I didn't know existed.

[@Jev]

I'M READY

[@YoitsEthan931]

Woah Jev! 😳

[@realgamingfungus]

jef ;))))

[@xylikk9509]

yooo

[@aidanconnors]

god i love u jev

[@DrHurricaneA115]

Whoa, what the hell are you doing here lol

[@CrowsCalling]

So glad to hear more behind the scenes info on this movie, especially the information about the poor pet snake that was murdered. I hope people become more aware of that because of your dedication to spreading the truth on things like this.

[@bryh555]

I love that there’s technically 12 “Friday the 13th” movies cause I feel like that puts pressure on anyone wanting to make a 13th movie cause if you’re gonna make The 13th Friday The 13th, it better be good lol

[@mikeox_is_small]

at this point it just needs to be slightly better than Jason in Space or Jason on a boat.

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

I mean none of them were incredibly good lol.

[@Lol-ik8xm]

Yeah after awhile it's just the same stuff with barely any plot.

[@bentramer682]

I think if they make another movie Jason should wield a chainsaw at some point to justify all those cartoon appearances

[@nyghtmareinmi]

Technically the 13th movie was Never Hike Alone but I digress

[@matthewscorner2990]

I am so glad to finally see someone reflect my thoughts of Pamela as a villain and the story. I think Pamela is a great character, but can't hold a film on her own. Her story works best as a backstory for Jason.