Dealing With Boredom

[@musingartisan]

"I'm bored, I think I'll go into this small room." Screams in terror for 15 minutes "...that's better"

[@commemorative]

That would actually work though, seems fun. I'll try it next time I'm bored.

[@norhudaabubakar4627]

to be fair, you would not be bored. you would be terrified.

[@fnutarf2085]

If it makes you feel alive...

[@shadowswordsman9016]

“I’m bored, let me go outside and run past my dead neighbors who now want to tear me limb from limb.”

[@davidelin7680]

And this is why horror games exist

[@andrastuba3085]

Can confirm, I also like getting panic attacks or getting chased by others wanting to kill me when I am bored. But sometimes playing Project Zomboid also helps.

[@zainiadnan2335]

Hol up

[@cookiegamer670]

Wait a minute…

[@1LuvMLPFiM]

sus

[@GyroJapster]

Somethin' ain't right

[@vel5094]

Something isn’t adding up here, I can feel it.

[@OrniasDMF]

Many years ago I suggested on Twitter that being bored while panicked made no sense and they said they agreed and changed it so that panic removes boredom. You're welcome!

[@Retanaru]

So you're the one who made me pick claustrophobic

[@oh9648]

woah fr?

[@justanotaku1420]

I mean, just the idea of being bored in a zombie apocalipse is kinda far fetched, so It really makes sense that you get rid of the boredom instantly by crushing some zombie heads, don't you think?

[@Arjay404]

Always found it weird how you could get bored while killing zombies. You could have a lot of emotions while killing or seeing zombies but boredom should never be one.

[@hochdieanarchie]

@@justanotaku1420 Yeah, big time this, this is literally fucking stupid. But at least it goes away if you're panicked unless desensitized (Which is another stupid thing that you can kill thousands of zombies and never adapt to violence... It's actually really braindead that this isn't a vanilla feature, regardless of if this game is early access or not all their design trends don't inspire confidence especially with how nonsensical and just plain dumb these mechanics are.)

[@AmadeusAbacus]

eats stale pizza becomes extremely bored and severely depressed instantly

[@Tyrops]

if I was starving to death in the apocalypse the last thing on my mind would be "hmm, this pizza is a bit bland" lmao

[@Wolf_Kann]

@@Tyrops I'd be like "holy shit pizza, I'd better enjoy this before I'll probably never get some more

[@VagineerHuur]

When you eat a 2 week old chuck e cheese pizza that has become a solid rock

[@Saktoth]

Project zomboid is the only game where I can made a peanut butter sandwich so bad it instantly makes me suicidally depressed.

[@ausore9832]

@@Saktoth am i really the only one who's that bad at making food in real life

[@perteks7639]

You forgot about alcohol. There is hidden check for alcohol if you drink any (literally any amount of alcohol like 1/4 beer and instantly stopped) you will lose all of unhappiness when sleeping

[@Sybaris_Rex]

100% can confirm... and I'm not just talking about PZ.

[@gerald5561]

I usually skip beer because beer makes you sleepy and takes a lot of space but I might carry 1 or 2 cans just in case

[@MNewton]

@@gerald5561 Booze is great in multiplayer where you don't get tired! No downsides!

[@Saktoth]

Also satisfies hunger and doesn't spoil you can live off booze for quite a bit.

[@SotiCoto]

Me starting in the Riverside Bar: Hungry... drink beer. Bored... drink beer. Need weapon... glances around at empty beer bottles.

[@Archmage90]

Me irl: sitting home in small flat for days and no bored at all My zomboid char : severely depressed in his 3 story mansion

[@zwenkwiel816]

no internet man, that's the difference

[@ferdinand5223]

It's probably the crushing desolation that's driving your character to depression. Seriously, we need interactable NPCs in this game.

[@miloxyunto]

Internet and games changes that. Ever since I got the net, I never wanted to go outside again.

[@NicoUnken]

Let's be honest, we would all totally lose our minds in 1 hour if the power switched off.

[@thewarroom007]

haha same here, i just don't get it

[@cameronmcallister7606]

I too find entertainment from killing people shortly after eating stale bread.

[@belltowersubductions5104]

Speaking as someone with clinical depression, I can confirm that standing outside is a 100% effective way of instantly halting the progression of "The sad", as we in the business refer to it.

[@Vitoreo]

yes however it might not work when the "the big sads" kick in, sadly.

[@rando5638]

"The Sad" is a devious and cunning beast. If you think you've got it under control without therapy and antidepressants, you . . . probably haven't. *(Although I realise that antidepressants exist in Zomboid, your best bet for therapy is to hook up with a community containing an ex-therapist in an RP server).*

[@AmalekIsComing]

or you can always just take the gamer way out with a revolver

[@ACanOfSunDrop]

@@AmalekIsComing hey friend, I understand that you probably had something funny in mind when you sent this, but it's mostly just unsettling. I don't think you should be embracing the kind of mindset that lends itself to suicidal ideation, even as a joke. Violent humor isn't a good coping mechanism, and it really only serves to reinforce your own negative perceptions, conscious or subconscious. I'm definitely not saying that you can't joke about suicide, ultimately that's up to you, but I think you'd be a lot happier if you didn't!

[@AmalekIsComing]

@@ACanOfSunDrop is this a copypasta or something?

[@J00SH]

How does boredom interact with the Veterans Desensitized trait. Does being immune to panic make it harder to remove boredom by fighting zombies?

[@GreenTeaTheTea]

It does! It makes it harder to deal with this stuff which is an interesting caveat The zombie apocalypse is no fun if you're ready for it it seems :(

[@andrehashimoto8056]

You have to pick either Panic, which will MASSIVELY drag the killing of the handful (to maybe a small herd) of zeds causing you panic.... Have to prepare an open space in your safehouse to keep boredom in check to outright be forced to use consumables to bring happiness. Also Veteran impedes you from picking ANY Panic inducer/easer negative trait and vice versa

[@andrehashimoto8056]

Veteran just means that boredom has to be cleaned as you stay outdoors, so by the time you whooped the brains of the last zed of a 10-12 herd, boredom might just been gone entirely from how long you stayed outdoors, and the exhaustion hits you

[@blowedup3207]

@@GreenTeaTheTea Bro that's statement is one hell of a right. It also comes from memories of the past and that nothing is not that fun as it was...

[@himedo1512]

I've found that it works just fine. I always come back from looting runs not bored.

[@dwight3555]

Boredom? Behold the almighty one wooden tile out the second-floor window!

[@Saktoth]

Can you still build floors out a window?

[@himedo1512]

@@Saktoth no.

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

Appliances will work if they're placed against the _outside_ of a wall which has power. I find it useful to move a stove outside and place it against a wall by a door, then build a little enclosure for it to hide me from passing zombies. I can go outside and cook my boredom away, doing something useful at the same time which normally creates boredom.

[@Minubard]

We went from ''you have too much anxiety to sleep'' to ''you have too much anxiety to be even bored'' lol

[@joakimberg7897]

Panic removes boredom is really neat. It works like that in real life too. Being a security guard can be boring sometimes, but when something special happens, you aren´t bored anymore.

[@Not_Chen]

we need Introvert trait 😂

[@Ugh718]

Yeah LOL

[@SotiCoto]

Damn right. What is all this "being outdoors cures boredom" nonsense? Know when I'm most bored? When I'm outside... typically walking from A to B.

[@KommandantGSR]

Simplest way my rat brain fixes boredom is go outside, blundgeon murder, go back to the hiding spot

[@SuburbaniteUrbanite]

Because killing zombies is not exciting by itself, but reading a book… oh hell yeah.

[@MaximusAutismus]

Just be claustrophobic and make a torture room. No more boredom!

[@Voondubah]

This feels oddly existential... it fills me with a strange dread.

[@sanderbos4243]

Great tutorial! Amazing how scaring your character to death is a strategy, it's like scaring away a hiccup!

[@NicoUnken]

I actually didn't know being outside by itself was helpful. Good to know!

[@Hikarmeme]

Me: eats the same things every day happily Zomboid character: suicidally depressed after eating leftovers once

[@Inasaint]

Got the mod Reading Is Not Boring. Such a game changer.

[@Diospepreco]

This aspect of the same really needs some work. One single day inside a safe mansion full of food and drinks, training and learning new stuff from books: BORED and SAD. What the fuck? It's a zombie apocalypse, a normal human would be delighted after a relaxing day.

[@JackManic1984]

Boredom left unchecked will cause unhappiness. Unhappiness will lower your sanity.

[@JackManic1984]

Not that the sanity bar does much right now.

[@brevyansingollo1411]

I once had a zombie trapped in a metal door bathroom near the gas station in Rosewood. Never got bored because of him standing there harmless.

[@memeoverlord-pz5ns]

Killing zombies reduces boredom.

[@Nacalal]

"How to cure boredom" *"Induce an anxiety attack"*

[@ayakaasama]

oh so thats why i rarely see boredom i am panicked nearly every day from slowly clearing out rosewood (today i finally found the gas station, yes i am new)

[@SotiCoto]

Is Rosewood any good? I started in the Riverside Bar and have been slowly.... um... depleting the beer supply while looking for a bed so I don't have to pass out in my own vomit on the floor for the 5th time.

[@Joojinho]

0:10 you forgot to mention that being severely depressed will also make you draw your weapons significantly slower. Anyways, great vid! Didn't know panic/just being outside removes boredom.

[@ritenger87]

In order to make the game more realistic, they need to add a whacking off feature to cure boredom.

[@recombinantgestalt]

"Just go outside" That was it? That's all I have to- GODDAMNIT

[@reynardpark9362]

I just read newspaper immediately. It was the most efficient method of me how to overcome boredom.

[@glykon96]

Reading in a car is the best way to avoid boredom. During daytime, you have 360 vision around you, so you won't get surrounded by zombies without knowing it. During winter, you can turn on the heaters so you won't freeze (I have done this in a Sandbox with very cold weather turned on, so I don't think you can ever have a temperature problem using this method).

[@zwenkwiel816]

or you know go inside a house

[@Cacowninja]

@@zwenkwiel816 I think the power has to be on for a building to warm you in the game.

[@zwenkwiel816]

@@Cacowninja that's why you pick one with a fireplace or get one of those metal stove things. like if you haven't even sorted out the heating in your house reading shouldnt really be a priority IMO XD

[@olaf5929]

@@Cacowninja buildings provide some insulation without power (or doors/windows for that matter) but they provide much more with power. TBH unless you set up freezing temperatures in sandbox you're good with enough clothing.

[@abucket14]

I wish in world events like hearing gunshots and helicopters removed boredom, it's hard to be sad about nothing to do when a survivor shoots a Shotgun from the next block down, drawing all the Zombies across your location; flattening traffic cones, knocking over your flamingos, and damn it that Zombies walking away with Dave Again! Leave My Gnomes Alone You Rotting Hooligans!!!

[@stonegearus7805]

Panic as one solution? I didn't expected that. Thank you Retanaru, you're doing an important role on the community!

[@cbl1199]

There is also another method that at first may seem incredibly counter-intuitive: Dragging about zombie corpses into a pile, like if your guy is feeling bored or such just start piling up the zombies that started to pile up around your base and make piles of them, by the time you're done you'll see most of your boredom gone. Can't confirm it without some doubt, but I also believe it affect depression and sadness. I guess dragging about tons of peoples who obviously had a fate worse than your kind of good for moral, in a weird ''least it ain't me'' kind of way, but I could be wrong. But I can confirm that I did loose boredom that I had gained working on cars (mechanic) by dragging the corpses around the base.

[@doctorzeek2370]

This is one of the best info places on KZbin for PZ. Praise you

[@paulpesci1]

Books. The end 😅

[@thethud3663]

can you go over anxiety aswell and how to deal with it?

[@dwight3555]

Anxiety happens for a few reasons: - You're hemophobic and currently have blood on you - You're a smoker and haven't had a smoke recently - Your character just had a nightmare (that anxiety will go away on its own), nightmares being mostly caused iirc by wearing dirty clothes or having killed a lot of zombies recently - Your character is sick and the anxiety represents their fear of dying from the disease

[@Harridax]

Hey Retanaru! Maybe a good short video idea in this format is what damages a Vehicles trunk and how to stop it from getting damaged? Does having a trunk lid protect a trunk, does it have to be shut for that to work, what part of the car has to be hit for it to take damage or if you drive over something like sapplings does it take damage etc. I know that I at least always have to keep a reserve of metal sheets to repair it up, but any advice on keeping it well conditioned in the first place would be great!

[@Retanaru]

Yeah I decided to to cars as my next video because I swear they used to take less damage.

[@Harridax]

@@Retanaru Amazing, looking forward to it!

[@SotiCoto]

I've been looking for a mod to make cars take less damage, but for the life of me I can't find one. There USED to be one that slowed the wear and tear on cars, but apparently that one doesn't work any more.

[@Althairs]

I don't understand some of the mechanics of this game. You are in middle of zombie apocalypse you find a goddamn stale ham that is not rotten and still edible but because its not fresh it gives you unhappines and boredom like ffs be grateful for todays loot bruh. Also when you eat the soup from a can it gives you less calorie and happiness but when you put it in a cooking pot even without cooking it gives higher hunger satisfaction and happines. Since I always pick smoker trait unhappiness and boredom is not an issue for me. I recommend smoker and jigga greenfire mod if you are gonna play with smoker trait. Quit smoking is also essential. You can quit smoking just like in real life but you may gain it back quickly if you smoke it again just like in real life.

[@lukebeich]

I think doing action in-doors increase boredom, particulary item transfer. While doing actions outside will also decrease it. So if you have to transfer/unpack/use items and you don't need to be inside, do everything outside if possible.

[@Dylly248]

Well that makes a certain amount of sense; if you're panicking over something you certainly have your attention on something and aren't mindlessly sitting there bored.

[@plasmashade6339]

Watch the Dog Goblin movie in game. The panic caused by watching the video all of the way through reduces my character's tiredness, boredom, and depression. I'm not sure if any of it is intentional, but it has been helpful when I'm super tired, depressed, and need to finish whatever I'm doing on my MP server.

[@Animefan1803]

Love how the game inadvertently demands for your character to touch grass once in a while.

[@histhoryk2648]

I was searching for psychological advice but this one is better. I'll enter the wardrobe, close it, start panicking and then move to Narnia

[@KhungX10]

Smoker trait is very handy... Just smoke the thing down yeah

[@PikaBolaChan]

can you do a tutorial for this but in real life please? reaching the depression stage

[@fairnut6418]

Would really love to see videos about traits for multiplayer. I personally am very certain that most go to traits are useless there, especially in the beginning, where there is literally no food, magazines, weapons and other crap that is taken for granted in singleplayer. Even a lighter is hard to come across.

[@Retanaru]

With no loot respawns multiplayer is different, but you can get cigs and lighters from killing mass zombies, and food/weapons are easily acquired through other skills. Fishing/foraging/trapping/farming will supply you with food even on the lowest abundance settings. Meanwhile a propane torch and welder mask (which you can get from respawning zombies) will give you near infinite pipes for short blunt by destroying the fences that don't use up any gas. As the months roll by on the server zombies begin to spawn with weapons in them much more often and you will find yourself buried under hunting knives. With axes and crowbars being a little more rare. In fact I feel like axes aren't viable until zombies start spawning with them often so you can drive around and pick them off. Multiplayer seems really hard at first, but you have all the tools necessary to survive if you are willing.

[@bibby659]

Tbh, even when severely depressed, panicked, and anxious I noticed almost no difference on MP, though I am also used to slowly moving things from inventory to inventory due to my old trait setup but even then its still faster than having that and I can easily put up with it. The only time it becomes inconvenient is when I have to transfer wood planks into my backpack, but again, dont notice it all that much.

[@lol70721]

tbh adrenaline junkies do crazy shit to cure their boredom all the time, so seeing your character put themselves through panic situations when bored does make a bit of sense.

[@bunnyboy7008]

Indie stone should have take Introverts in account. We don't feel bored while being indoors.

[@notsteve5927]

KZbin gave me an ad about saving money on depression medication, nice.

[@shancerainbowsphere82]

Boredom from being indoors can be prevented altogether if you build a custom base. Prefabricated buildings and houses inherently increases your boredom because of a hidden unique indoors property that comes with all prefabricated buildings. An custom indoor house does not have this property so anyone can enjoy all the benefits of being indoors (plumbing, temperature, lighting) while none of the boredom-increasing cabin fever that comes with it.

[@quinnlee-miller9792]

This is why being a Veteran is a trade-off; without Panic, you can't relieve boredom as easily as a Veteran, and essentially have to go outside and murder things, or just be outdoors for long periods of time. A regular character with Claustrophobia, as you mentioned, can lock themselves in a closet to relieve the boredom, which feels...not realistic tbh, but it's definitely worthwhile to consider. Not that it matters late game, you can collect enough books and reading material to drive boredom off, and eventually enough ammo and guns to shoot all your problems away

[@Water-rg7gp]

to fix boredom i made my base have a courtyard where i spend most of my time

[@3Runner95]

This needs to change, it's impossible to work on your base or grind anything without getting crippling depression.

[@cruzaider99]

Can't be bored if you are still running away from the horde

[@MarikuJunrei]

using panic to get rid of boredom is a real life strat

[@GamingGranny56]

Lol, no more boredom

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

I am dying too fast for my character to care about that.

[@edward9487]

*goes into room while claustrophobic and afraid of blood* *begins reading like this isn't a problem*

[@ntsejfamyaj]

I'm still on a self imposed covid-19 isolation (which people commonly refer to as quarantine, but that's incorrect use of the term). Sometimes, my boredom goes up crazy high, so I've been using your tiny closet trick to great effect! Nowadays, even just the thought of a tiny close does the trick! 😁

[@Remon_]

I like smoker for this reason, it's alsp funny when you play with your friend and in the middle of a fight you're like hol up gonna smoke real quick.

[@maclegend9169]

This is why smoker trait is a buff. Also, if you pick invincible player made structures, you can build a zombie cage next to you and never get bored again.

[@SotiCoto]

Apocalypse Goals: Make it like the end of Shaun of the Dead... where the zombies are just exploited for entertainment.

[@turdferguson3054]

Don't know if anyone knows and I know it's not relevant but I just figured out the coffee machines count as full ovens for 4 kg. Kinda useful

[@gkagara]

Claustrophobic would never find anything boring they always in the thrill of Panik.

[@NeosDany]

How can anyone get bored when doing excersice, PZ requires revamps in some aspects.

[@zli8179]

Exactly like how I deal with boredom in real life

[@commanderbeepo8066]

Can't be bored when you be just created a new underwear stain from sheer terror.

[@myokitt]

Waiting for the "how lucky is lucky?" video.

[@ThogusDonatus]

Thats why the Cd disc player is worth even more then Weapons due to that u can decrase it to listening to music or Books

[@VanguardDetonados]

so getting claustrophobic is a effective way of countering boredom... interesting.

[@RRaveRB]

Me who's illiterate and camping in the deep forest *Chugs 5 bowls of salad to feel happy*

[@zwenkwiel816]

I always have a fridge full of booze ready for any depression, and I even have one in game too...

[@cr4yv3n]

"get panicked" **cries in veteran**

[@sunnyd9884]

yeah being terrified is a good way to make ur brain stop making sad n bored chemicals but always being terrified..has problems..

[@kurtaustria8868]

becoming a smoke addict .is the best way to solve boredom. you can smoke while having panic attacks

[@unclesilver2486]

"Scaring the boredom away" Man honestly sounds like a bad weed trip

[@squishy_gam1ng897]

so that's why the zombies tell me to touch grass...

[@PolumbiusTheThird]

love these vids.

[@xXExistancex]

Thats OSRS music right there Sir, got u

[@someguy1894]

I think watching tv can also get rid of boredom/depression

[@bonkboi5820]

would be cool if there was an “ADHD” trait which made your boredom go up five times as fast.

[@nerdywolverine8640]

would also be fun if that let you decrease boredom by making noises, shouting/whispering. realistic + sounds like a nice tradeoff

[@DollanFerinal]

"I'm bored, let's go poke the locals."

[@MagnumSanada]

Can’t be bored if I’m constantly spooked by being in a closet.

[@AlexVicarregui]

Panic and anxiety should be tweaked to increase depression actually....

[@nerdywolverine8640]

oh yeah. decrease boredom, sure, but definitely not depression.

[@crisomamber8463]

the prisoner and miner will bored to hell in this case. Well, at least get rid of it will be quiet easy

[@christianbuur]

thank you so much, this was very helpfull. You my friend are a KZbin

[@Narvic80]

I'm new in this game, but after this videos tried in debug mode make maniac ))) If you completely naked with Hemophobic and covered with blood -> stress falling. What stress influence? I can sleep and damage RNG but i think the same, and items transfering almost the same.

[@Grimlore82]

I build a second story balcony, and place a wood stove so you are in the radius. Bam warm outside reading while safe ;-)

[@alilweeb7684]

the ONE good thing about claustrophobic is that you never have to worry about boredom, getting bored? just go to a tight space and its gone. aside from that the perk is just annoying

[@vesstig]

I never knew my agoraphobic build is why I never dealt with boredom

[@okeoi]

Fun fact: if you worship the Dog Goblin, a single viewing of the VHS tape can put even a desensitized veteran into a full-blown state of panic. The Dog Goblin protects.

[@SotiCoto]

On my very first attempt at the game I was spawned in a tiny home with a few cabinets and one of them had a single VHS tape marked the Dog Goblin. I figured it was probably some kiddy cartoon or something... Yeah. That didn't go down well.

[@Mark-mt4xt]

Ah yes being bored in the middle of thousands of zombies

[@Robinson_Entertainment]

Boredom is where you get sick to fuck of seeing that little icon and want it changed

[@shasmire01]

The first thing i noticed in this video is the fingers. The fingers!

[@meatropellountren1886]

my character has PTSD, im literally a veteran with a trait from a mod that is named paranoia which causes you to panic randomly so i can beat the boredom without going outside, reading or even having clausthrophobic

[@MetsuNoShin]

There is one mechanic I can’t quite figure out, it’s the whole system around insulation. How much insulation should I have to not freeze but also not get drenched in sweat?

[@nerdywolverine8640]

ive barely made it into fall but what i try to do is go with mostly low-insulation clothing and one warm coat so i can just put that on or take it off to regulate temperature

[@leavewe]

Does scaring yourself to avoid depression setting in work in real life as well?

[@TheOnlyLegitimateZoigle]

Kinda? When i was playing through Doom 3 in VR (There's a mod) i found myself becoming temporarily much happier during and after the bigger "jumpscare followed by fight" scenarios. It's very immersive, and got the adrenaline going nicely.

[@nerdywolverine8640]

usually it just makes you flip from not caring about anything to being extremely stressed out, and the rest of the symptoms are pretty much unaffected. but i also had an anxiety disorder back then and the depression in this game is meant to be purely situational in cause rather than a persistent brain thing.