Dean Park Station Video 135 - Layout Tour Part 2

Here is the second part of the layout tour, focussing on the TMD side and the West end of the layout. I also cover the Storage space available at Dean Park. Plus there is some running shots! Enjoy.

[@fircombehallrailwayoogauge1430]

The only problem I have with this hobby, is that I spend too much time watching these fantastic videos! This is where I get my inspiration to climb in the loft! Many thanks for taking the time to video and share your work.

[@DeanPark]

haha. Thanks, I am glad you get inspiration from them. I love working on my layout, and I love shooting videos to share what I have done. Its also a great resource for me to go back and watch to remind myself how I did things!. Cheers. Dave

[@mcgruppjunction5326]

Loved your comment about weathering...you took a breath and paused...then said softly "don't hold your breath". I literally laughed out-loud. Loved it. It's your layout and you will weather if and when you want too...

[@DeanPark]

Its all about the timing! lol. Glad you liked that. Dave

[@westwruxshire5042]

This is the Ferrero Rocher of model railway video channels. You are certainly spoiling us!

[@DeanPark]

haha. excellent!

[@BethelProductions]

So I've been watching your videos for months now...And just today for the first time I realized your layout is in the Attic...Brilliant

[@DeanPark]

Hi, really? lol. I must have filmed my other videos well to hide the trusses etc ;-) Dave

[@allanalexander3160]

Well David its all been said before, your layout is fanstatic and deserves an award How about an open day for the locals.

[@robmasterman]

Absolutely mesmerising Dave, every minute is full of information and examples of what can be achieved by the talented few, but despite never being able to achieve such high standards of construction, you encourage all us mere mortals to improve our skills, and many thanks for that....Regards...Bob

[@TONYNORTHEASTERN]

Great tour Dave, it was nice to see the whole layout for a change and its well impressive. I remember when it was just a couple of lines and the start of the main station must have been at least two years ago if not a little more. great stuff, time flies....all the best Tony

[@DeanPark]

Hi Tony....5 years its been on the go! Time does fly by....I hate to think how many £1000's I have spent since then! But its all worth it as I really enjoy using the layout to run trains. Dave

[@DJModelRailway]

Completely amazed by your layout still, especially to see it fully! Absolutely love it! Great attention to detail and thankfully still lots to do (I enjoy watching the updates) keep up the great work! Cheers :)

[@bentompkinson4572]

Brilliant video Dave!

[@johnstubbington5163]

I`echo` what Robert has stated. It is totally an amazing layout as seen from this welcomed film. It has brought to me the enormity of your loft and the wealth of detail blended with all that is laid out in front of you for the future!! Thank you for spending your valuable time to create the film. Best wishes. John

[@DeanPark]

Thanks John, I am glad you found it a useful video. Dave

[@kropotken]

Thanks for another informative layout tour. Both the layout and videography are terrific.

[@kevintregunna]

Nice tour around good to have a look cheers Kevin

[@Victor-fv8mq]

Hi Dave again, glad to hear you will be 'weathering' stock, locos etc. Re your comments of 'muck', 'rubbish' etc being applied later in the TMD and other areas. Can't wait to see the "finished" articles. Just to clear my mention of mucking things up as more realistic comes from my own "profession" before retirement as proprietor of "Moray's Models" trading in model railways and specifically as ' specialists & experts in customising' including renumbering, naming, detailing AND weathering. Good luck with your venture in this field as you say, not something to take on hand with little experience!

[@heliosulysse7134]

Bonne et heureuse Année 2018 !!!!Merci pout toutes ces belles vidéos !!

[@SFRATON]

Dave again an awesome job. Yes take your time and keep producing the quality of workmanship that you apply to your layout. I also agree with Brad - garden area and call it the Dean Park gardens.

[@onnomulder9775]

Absolutely stunning layout!!! I like it very much! Great details!! Greetz from Holland.

[@MiltonMoJunction]

Just found time to watch both your tour videos and your last running session, really impressive Dave. I have watched your layout grow from almost the beginning, I like the way you work very meticulous, so I always look forward to watching your videos. Robin

[@DeanPark]

Hi Robin..thanks for that. Yes its come a long way....a long way still to go too Dave

[@maxheadroom7687]

I love your layout! I also am glad that your Locos are pristine and that the weathering is only applied to the buildings etc. as I like my Locos pristine( have a few weathered but still not sure about the look).Great update, lots of work done, and lots still to do! Love your ideas 😎all the best, Stephen

[@johnduffill]

Wonderful layout have been keeping up with you for a while now. All well done you are very detailed

[@Electra_1203]

Apsolutley stunning Dave

[@RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS]

That lighting effect under the inspection pit is really clever! You could add some figures working on the locos, and it'd almost look real! And good to know the scenic coaches have a home as well. Fantastic work so far, I love seeing updates from your layout.

[@DeanPark]

Hi, thanks for getting in touch....the pits will be weathered, populated with workers etc and it will hopefully look more life like! Dave

[@lullingstonecentral6225]

very bloody good! here's to another 5 years!

[@DeanPark]

hi, thanks....in 5 years I may have 'finished' lol. Dave

[@sparky107107]

I am surprised how much room you have yet to develop . very nice. lots of good ideas and will make for many more video updates and how too's

[@Anthony.1967]

Dave that's one of the best layout I have ever seen it's amazing your videos are very helpful to me brilliant

[@DeanPark]

Hi, glad to hear its of help. Thanks for your support of my channel. It is much appreciated. Dave

[@longnaughton]

Dave, great video and really explains how the layout and track is configured. Just a bit of railway jargon for you, tracks through a depot are referred as roads and when in stabling areas they are referred to as sidings.

[@DeanPark]

Hi thanks for that. I have some of the jargon in my brain, but sometimes it just doesn't come out of my mouth when I am shooting a video lol. I am really glad you enjoyed the tour. Dave

[@thescrapline4905]

A good tour of the layout.. it's come on leaps and bounds! Definitely agree with the weathering though! Hopefully some practice on some non valuable items you'll get the nack! I'm now progressing on with mine and sat back and reworked the track plans. One thing for sure I'm looking forward to weathering stuff other than locos and rolling stock - with how to videos! Tim

[@jimsmoter4510]

I bet it will look great when done ...

[@seanbaldwin7933]

Fantastic layout enjoy every minute of your vids. Btw jealous you have yours running lol. Have you thought of changing to the DCC decoder so for the point motors which uses the accessory address of the DCC system, saves wiring as well :). Otherwise love Scalescenes myself promote that sight in Facebook groups for sure as excellent quality buildings. Don't change any of the layout it's busy yet simple operation.. Awesome job again Dave :)

[@greghale9972]

I totally agree with Robert Masterman`s comments........Congrats.

[@richardknox4753]

looking good mate keep going

[@jeffreydavies9036]

Hi Dave With ref to the weathering you were talking about . You could try and start with Tamiya weathering master . Someone showed me it at a local model show a few years ago so I thought I would give it a try .I find this is good to adhere to the stock and if you make a mistake you can wipe it off with a damp rag. I realise with the amount of stock you have it would be impractical to use for it all but you could possibly make a start with this and use this method for light weathering and exhaust smoke and when you master the weathering process you can also touch up with this product. Great informative videos Thanks

[@DeanPark]

Hi Thanks for that info....one day I will take the dive into weathering lol. Dave

[@Castlebridge-00]

Yet another excellent video. I am not sure if you realise how much information you have given me and many others in our hobby. You are so clear and accurate in what you do. Castle, sounds good but not sure if it sits right. A Baronial spread with Scottish turret architecture, now used as an hotel may sit better and of course it would be the 5 star 'Dean Park ' hotel. Loved the welding. Q.1 have you been modeling before you started Dean Park? Q.2 would you ever let fellow modelers visit? Thanks, Barry.Devon.

[@DeanPark]

Hi Barry, my last layout was when I was 5yrs old....which was a loft layout in my family home until I was about 15. Other than that its aircraft and ship modelling I have done.An old castle styled 5 star hotel?!.....there is an idea to put in the memory bank. Cheers. Dave

[@WirenwoodModelRailway]

You've totally nailed those backscenes. They work perfectly and add such depth. Hard to see where the layout ends and the backscene starts. No wonder construction has halted on those new build houses. They're going to be a hard sell, on top of 5 mainline rail tracks. I suspect the construction company have abandoned that project. I don't envisage ever seeing those houses being completed.

[@DeanPark]

its amazing what tiny spaces builders will stuff houses into....you should see near where I live....you could practically spit on the trains, some of the houses are so close!

[@kevblue8043]

I love the idea of a castle.Can I add a suggestion for the BR yard. When I worked on the railway in the 80's we had a yard that was used by the S&T for training. So, they had a set of points and several signals of various types all wired up and working (although not on any running lines) for the new staff to train on. There would be junction boxes, AWS magnets for the newbies to get experience on.I have never seen anything like this being modelled, and might make a little interesting point if you added a group of workers clustered around being shown the way to do it etc.

[@DeanPark]

Thanks....some interesting things to consider. Dave

[@DeanPark]

so kind of like a mock up of length of rail with all the different furniture on the railway set up for them to see? kind of like a builder training site with partly bricked walls, joinery work, etc.... I hope I have room for this!...sounds like an idea....even if I only have some junction boxes, aws on lengths of rail etc it might look interesting.

[@HunterBHolmes]

Here in Canada at Canadian National Railway's training campus I attended to become a train conductor we had something similar, it was very neat. A mock-up road crossing, rolling stock defect detectors, signals and turnout. Very neat indeed. Also, wonderful layout, you've really managed to get a lot into your space without it seeming too forced!

[@DeanPark]

Hi, thanks. Yes I try not to get it looking too overdone. I see a lot of layouts that are crammed full of stuff, flashing lights and you can see the trains for everything else going on! That kind of defeats the purpose! lol. Dave

[@DeanPark]

Hi Kev.....I have adopted the s&t training idea. See my latest October Update video. I have credited you with the idea in the video description. I am developing the site for it now! Appreciate your suggestion. S&T - does that stand for 'Signalling and Telegraph'?? Cheers. Dave

[@hillsdeng1]

Love the idea of the BR depot with the yellow vehicles it will work quite well to the proximity of the depot. A question on your idea of a mail sorting office have you researched if red star parcels had any large depot with vehicles and trucks as it would tie in nicely with the small one at the terminus but overall a stunning layout for the space

[@daviemaclean61]

Excellent! ;-) I was expecting to wait a few of days for Part 2. Can I make a suggestion for your very very long retaining wall in front of the TMD? Have you considered investing in a suitable mould and produce as many "panels" as you require in plaster? I know you may require some sections to be removable, but you could always mount them as you have done elsewhere on the layout. Another great update/overview. Keep up the good work.

[@davidstrains4910]

TMD looks really good can't wait to see it finished How many trains can you run at one time

[@DeanPark]

5-7, but 5 is easily manageable.

[@SophieLovesRC]

Awesome lay out Dave. I am new to train sets and just purchased a DCC set with a E-Link. Newbie question - what is the difference between DCC ready and DCC fitted loco's?

[@robinhadley]

Awesome,just hope mine will be a fraction as good as yours. 👍🏻

[@Finnertoncentralmodelrailway]

Brilliant the simple ideas sometimes are the best i will drill holes in mine too.can you show us how you create the girder bridge i want to put one in my layout.

[@nigelcarter9503]

I like the engine shed and inspection pits. You an eye for detail. How bit is your loft? Price is a major concern for all of us. My ESoS cost £500.00 two years age not it is £650.00. I had the money then. I was working now, I have had to retire after a 'stoke' which only affected my eyes. Hence, a guide dog but, I have not given up it is taking me longer to do anything. I will get there.

[@leonaddison9823]

excellent

[@williamwatson3145]

Hello Dave, regarding weathering I love my locos in "pristine" condition and yours look fine. I expect if you do turn your hand to weathering it will be done perfectly. One further point if you want to sell your loco to a dealer I think you get more if it is in pristine condition, or factory weathered. Cheers, Bill.

[@DeanPark]

Hi, I agree. I dont want to ruin a lovely (expensive) model. If I win the lottery I shall buy two of each loco and weather one, keep one pristine!!! Dave

[@glynnmason8205]

i like it looking good . ive had a break and the decoders have even gone up in price hope things don't go up any more

[@DeanPark]

They'll continue to go up as long as we buy their stuff! The only way (and it wont work as there will always be people willing to pay the silly prices) is to stop buying from them until they get the message. But I am as guilty as the next man for buying a model despite the price just because I WANT IT! LOL. Dave

[@glynnmason8205]

ive slipied up i sold some now i wished i had just waited and kept them such is life

[@IamRobotMonkey]

I know it's short notice, but I'm on leave w/c 22nd October so if you show me what kind of wall you want for that monster stretch built just show me how to do it and I'll see what I can do. I accept pizza, custard creams and Irn Bru as payment and can happily sleep on the floor! ;) +1 vote for the castle!

[@alanisherwood7122]

Hi. Great layout. Can you please inform me where you bought the green and cream coaches in your TMD yard ?. Also do you have a track diagram please. Regards

[@DeanPark]

Hi, No I do not have a track diagram that I could show....it is not electronic. The layout video was to give people a view of the track layout. Those coaches are from the Bachmann Highland train set....no longer available. Cheers. Dave

[@alanisherwood7122]

Hi Dave. Thanks for the reply. Have you done any on board videos that do the complete circuit of your layout ?. Regards. Alan

[@tonymoney2275]

Hi in your earlier videos you said when laying scenic detail the liquid would damage the paper brick paper would lift. Could clear gloss be used to seal the bottom edge or is it the paper that absorbs the moisture

[@DeanPark]

yes....or seal it with varnish, enamel paints, or a thin covering of epoxy resin adhesive. I also use a thin strip of plastic card along the exposed edge glue and sealed in place. Dave

[@stediths]

Your layout is fab, your attention to detail absolutely amazing, thanks so much for sharing it. One quick question please: you mentioned that some locomotives were struggling on the incline before you fitted the DCC system to them, what gradient is the incline? Cheers

[@DeanPark]

Hi, my gradient is a 3% Incline kit from woodland scenics. It rises 8 inches over 12ft. You also get a steeper and shallower one....but the 3% fitted in my space. A lot of modellers put the inclines 'off scene' but I wanted to see it, so I could model a cutting/incline. 99% of my trains get up the incline no problem, but 8 coach HST trains and steam locos can start to slip near the top of the incline (as most of the train is on the slope by that point and it creates more and more drag). The incline fits in really well at that end of the layout and adds a bit of interest other than flat tracks all the time. I have a very similar incline at the other end of the layout too....which takes locos from the top level to the fiddle yard and through to the lower section at the station. All locos can go anywhere on the layout without me picking them up. It took a bit of doing as I am contained by loft and the trusses. Hope this helps? Dave

[@stediths]

Hi Dave Thanks for the reply. 3% that is quite steep, good to hear that the majority of locos make it OK. On the ones that slip, do they actually make it or stop before they reach to the top? Also the steam loco that slips - what is it, from which manufacturer and how many coaches can it cope with without slipping? This question at the moment is the issue that is preventing me from starting out, as for my track plan to work in the space I have, helixes are needed! Cheers

[@DeanPark]

All make it up with no slipping. Helixes are good, but I wanted to see the locos go up a slope and make it part of the scene. Also, we are all constrained by space aren't we? cheers. Dave

[@stediths]

We are indeed Dave! Thanks and keep up the great videos.

[@griefjunkie]

Castle! Yes!

[@MWGiesbrecht]

griefjunkie Castle!!

[@DeanPark]

I hope to add a castle in somewhere! It wouldn't be Edinburgh without it!! Dave

[@davidhoughtoncricutdave1051]

With firing cannons and smoke ???....lol.

[@mtty1988]

Rail master is amazing e link is good to love the recording and running a movement down side is lack of accessories that it can hold basically it is only built for Hornsby accessories not all

[@jazzman1626]

How many coaches can you fit along the station platform. After hogmanay, I’m going to get my spare room cleared out and fitted out for a layout. I was thinking of putting my station behind the door which would give me 6’ to the corner. I would need some room for turning and I’m not sure that 6’ is enough unless the station is on a curve. I’d like to get four coaches at the platform. I measured my four Pullman coaches and loco (Duke of Gloucester”) and it’s 55” long, the coaches being 43” long. I could have the baseboard as a triangle there to enable a curved station? I can envisage making the station canopy as a scratch build because you can’t get transparent canopies in a curve. So a wooden canopy with skylight windows and slates would have to be built. Gosh, I think I’ve talked myself into a more interesting scenario than I first thought about 😀. If I could pull that off, I’d be really chuffed with my layout.

[@DeanPark]

Hi, the longest platform can fit an 8 coach HST. The other through platforms can fit a 7 car HST, or 9 Mk1 loco hauled. Cheers. Dave

[@jazzman1626]

DaveClass47 Thanks. It looks like it’ll be a curved platform after all. I came across Scalecast.co.uk which sounds great. The resin walls can be bent if you get them out of their molds just before they fully harden. Or I may just see if card buildings can be adapted.

[@MrPeterdom195160]

hi dave , fantastic as always , yep pristine barry coal wagons lol, but on a serious note when you at show pick some old wagon or coaches from junk boxes that some dealers have. . Not so expensive to muck up to practice weathering on, . we lucky at our club we have weathering expert so my pristine network rail loco class 37 yellow and a tamper and new bachmann little 4 wheeler with hiab crane are all being weathered . as we speak, richard even does complete resprays , i need egg collection lorry for my lner layout and we resprayed it a cheep die cast and looks the bees knees and hes renumbered some duplicate tanks. I my self would be frighten and weathered them last work he did for me was to respray the roof of my 2 O gauge gwr coaches and weather the running gear thy look brilliant as one had white roof other gray no thy match and at over £300 pounds each lot money that could get ruin buy bad paint job.

[@ThePhosphater]

One question Dave how do you get to your layout ?

[@ukdieselandelectricrailway1890]

Hi Dave I hope you don't mind, but can I draw your attention to a design glitch to your depot.... BR regulations were that a depot, yard, terminal, (etc) not go straight onto a running line where traffic could be moving.... without leading to a headshunt, or at the very least being protected by a catch point. If you look on google earth, you'll see that there is always protection to running lines. Right now, both ends of your depot go straight onto the inclines... so a runaway loco (or vehicle) could pass the points, go down the bank, and slam into anything running. The end near the fuel tank isn't too much of a problem. You could move the tank and insert a left handed curved point for a short headshunt. The opposite end is rather more difficult because if you dropped a right-hand catch point, any derailment for a runaway loco would see it fall down the 'hole'.

[@DeanPark]

Hi, thanks. I see what you are saying, thanks for the insight. Its all down to space. Fitting another turnout out with motor would be difficult....as when I laid the track originally I had the tmd boards unfitted to the layout....so turnout motor fitting is an issue there. Dave

[@ukdieselandelectricrailway1890]

Consider this.... You haven't ballasted this part yet, so you have time to make a small alteration on your side. Now you know it isn't quite right, it'll niggle away at the back of your mind, and a year from now, you'll wish you'd made the change while you could. The simplest thing to do is add a catch point on the left side of the depot approach to protect from runaways, and either another catch point, or a short headshunt at the right hand side. Other than the time it takes to do the work (to drill new holes and rewire it up), you have the space, but you'll lose some length (about 4 inches) between the points and the depot building. I know it's a lot of palava, but you'll have the reward that you have got it 'right'! :^)

[@DeanPark]

Hi, it would mean lifting the boards which have the mainline attached. as the whole of the TMD is made from 2 large lengths of ply. I will consider it.

[@ukdieselandelectricrailway1890]

Really? Couldn't you just lift the track after the points leading on to the depot, and then drill a 10mm hole big enough for a jigsaw blade so you can cut the rectangle for the point motors? If you pre-wire the point motors, you can drop them in with the wired hanging down so you can connect them to the bus wires and switches. I know it's a drag, and undoes some of the hard work you've already done. By the way, I'm not sure you know who I am.... I'm Cliffjumper24. I assisted on a few of your reviews (the Blue/Grey HST 40th anniversary, and one of your Large Logo 37's), as well as leaving other supportive comments suggesting things here and there, or giving prototype info, such as overhead wires getting higher across level crossings. I just want to say, that I find your videos inspiring. Although I may a deeper knowledge base than you have.... you have created an excellent layout, and you have a fine eye for detail.... better than I've seen at club level. You remind me of myself about 15 years ago, when I was venturing beyond a train set mentality, and creating my first layout. Since then I've been involved in a club... constructing the boards for a fair sized fiddleyard (20ft x 3ft for a 20ft x 13ft layout), laid track, then moved on to the electrics, and got it all running. But you've exceeded my level when it comes to scenery. I'd never got that far on my home layout, and I was too busy (on the electrics) to do much scenery on the club layout. Since then, I've left that club, and I'm on the brink of making a brand new home layout, and your scenery work inpires me. And that's why I started my own channel... because, like you, I want to share the things I've learned, and pass them on to new modellers that might be inspired by my modelling. Actually, I'm hoping I'll inpire a modeller such as yourself, because so far, most of my output has been about modifying rolling stock... and I see almost all your rolling stock is out of the box and onto the layout. Once you've finished your layout, 'playinbg trains' will soon become a bit boring.... so you'll probably want to diversify into detailing, weathering, renumbering & renaming, and onto kit building and maybe even scratchbuilding. So I know I've left a comment that may seem a little disheartening.... please know that I'm not doing this to criticise.... I do it to push your potential, because I can see you have it. Cheers Dave/UK D&E

[@mtty1988]

Can u show us how to make hard standing as I want to try make

[@johnbolt806]

How do you fit passengers into coaches. I have some old subutteo fans that i had seated in a stadium as a kid. They are 00 scale and would maybe fit

[@DeanPark]

Hi, Open up the coach, chop the people in half at the waist and glue them in I guess. Dave

[@trainmanbob]

Excellent video as always Dave. One request which I have sent to you in a personal message. Cheers, Bob

[@DeanPark]

Hi, where? to the youtube messages? I don't seem to see it? Dave

[@trainmanbob]

I could only get it into the discussion Section Dave.

[@Finnertoncentralmodelrailway]

Most of my weathering is to cover up mistakes but im with you on loco weathering leave it to the professionals

[@DeanPark]

I can weather buildings, materials and track etc, but as for the locos....I see too many dodgey home made efforts. Even the so called 'professional' weathering companies are not exactly flawless. One day I might get a few weathered. Dave

[@Finnertoncentralmodelrailway]

Im the same is there anyone you can recommend?

[@Bushey101172]

Can I ask where you got your overall station roof from please?

[@DeanPark]

Scalescenes

[@Electra_1203]

Can I say the area you want your manicured gardens, make it larger, like a public park. And Call it the Dean Park Gardens :)

[@kevindonnelly9811]

I second this. Dean Park Gardens sounds mega.

[@Electra_1203]

Kevin Donnelly thanks! I'm glad someone agrees!

[@davidjohnson4862]

Brad Wright

[@DeanPark]

Ok.....yes I agree. Dean Park Gardens will be adopted at some point. ;-) Dave

[@Electra_1203]

DaveClass47 Wow Dave! Thanks, it. Means a lot!

[@mtty1988]

Can we see inspection pit at Night

[@dfirth_]

How about a fleet video? It may take too long, though, with all those locos.

[@DeanPark]

It would take so long.....I did a class 47 review a couple of years ago. But with over 40 locos I suspect I would bore the audience to death with a fleet video on all those! lol

[@dfirth_]

Do you have any steam locos at all?

[@DeanPark]

yes...I have run 4472, 60009, etc. Plus a couple more A4's. I am doing a steam running weekend soon. Dave

[@dfirth_]

Ok. Thanks.

[@mtty1988]

Castle or a school hog warts or Gordonstoun(school prince Charles went to) s or amplefourth college and its monastery( where hogwarts was based on )

[@hayttom]

Great GREAT fan ... but your run your trains far too fast for realism, don't you?

[@DeanPark]

Hi thanks. I did notice in some earlier vids they were faster than concorde....but I now have them scaled to life like speeds lol.

[@hayttom]

Fair enough - I wasn't making measurements! Keep up the great work!

[@DeanPark]

ta...Thanks for getting in touch. Dave