Dear Ford, You're FAILING Mustang Enthusiasts...

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[@jonathannoe4100]

Ford has priced the Mustang out of their target market. Most of us that have bought Mustangs in past, just simply can’t afford them now. I’m not even talking about the high end ones. Base model aren’t near as attainable as they used to be.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

This is true but i feel like things have inflated as a whole

[@jonathannoe4100]

@@DerekBaranProductions💯. Very true!

[@AngerMaker413]

This is such a stupid argument. If you compare ten years ago to now and include inflation it’s the same. This is the same market of people willing to pay 80k+ for a dodge. The same market of people willing to pay 40k for a v6 Camaro, the same market of people willing to pay 35k for a 4 cylinder. It’s priced appropriately, the problem is the economy itself.

[@iz7fmm]

@@AngerMaker413 people no longer can afford them... other than price itself, interest rates, gas price and general life cost (mortgages, renting etc...) makes most of things basically unaffordable now!

[@theactualtopher]

@@AngerMaker413wrong $32k in 2014 was price of a base GT today it’s $45k if the $32k was adjusted in todays money that’s $40k there’s a $5k inflation difference.

[@tylerdbrown20]

High price tag and NO TUNING is what's killing the Mustang sales. The value per dollar isn't there anymore.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Its really not

[@hbkingofthestreets9781]

I so agree!!!

[@tankeater]

You want to tune an ECU? Buy an after market ECU. Is that so hard??? Do you use your stock exhaust, or do you buy a new 1? Do you re-tred the same tires if you want a different compound? Please, tell me what mod you put on a vehicle that changes ZERO of the structural componet. All you children complaining about this is funny to me.

[@Vegas5oh]

​@tankeater your a lil dim huh

[@tankeater]

@@Vegas5oh no, you're obviously too slow to comprehend what I even said with your 1st grade response... People have been tuning 2024 5.0 Coyote motors for a year now. You're the one that listens to what fools have to say and take it as facts.

[@philnorcross8973]

I don’t think it has anything to do with tuning. It’s the price that is killing it.

[@godbody6681]

FACTS!

[@DerekBaranProductions]

That too forsure but not tuning is totally a factor with price

[@MrKLenning]

Totally agree with the pricing being crazy!

[@philnorcross8973]

@@DerekBaranProductions Get rid of packages. Make the only options are seats. Eco gets split dash and starts at 29000, every GT is a 401a with price at 42000 and Dark Horse at 55000. And make them a low production car. That way resale value would stay high.

[@erickpando120]

@@DerekBaranProductionsi want an S650 so bad but they’re just so expensive… I’d gladly contribute to fords sales if they were reasonable

[@MaddNomad1015]

Ford: “Don’t worry about the price, here’s a Mustang sedan and Mustang F150”

[@DerekBaranProductions]

LOL

[@WobblinGoblin1]

1. Price is too high 2. The screens are anti-Mustang 3. The tuning is locked There they are. The reasons why the Mustang isn't selling like it should.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Yup

[@MrKLenning]

Ford totally needs to allow tuning for the S650s. Not everyone wants to drop a ton of cash into a Whipple kit, especially with how expensive the Gen 4s are!

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Exactly man. I dont blame people

[@stangedude5646]

Hasn't price me out. The thing is just hideous. I'm looking at other cars.

[@gloentertainment7841]

I KNEW THAT WAS YOU!!! I was the one that pointed ‼️‼️‼️ GREAT to the car in person

[@josevena6098]

The pricing on the new 2024s are pretty insane man, I remember when I bought my 2020 gt premium I spent 38k

[@jgspeed2222]

Now 38k buys you an eco boost

[@5.0-LJ_]

That's called inflation, the S650 isn't over priced it's simple no tuning or any new innovation. M cars are expensive and selling like crazy.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

They are fr

[@DerekBaranProductions]

THIS is true too

[@trentmclellan1037]

Inflation shouldn’t rise prices that much that’s like a candy bar being $10 dollars, yes inflation, but not that much

[@JaytheJaskonian]

As far as I can tell from what I've read online, the reason Ford won't allow tuning on the S650 is because cars nowadays are more computer than car. The S650 gets over the air updates from Ford to fix bugs in the software and add additional Gauge Cluster designs, which means the car has access to Ford's computer systems. This means in Ford's eyes, every single car essentially acts as an access point or backdoor to their internal computer systems. So, they see giving people the ability to tune their cars as allowing a potential vulnerability to take place where since consumers can tune the car, they can interface with something that has access to Ford's computer system, and that doesn't sit right with them. Most likely, if someone ever does actually manage to tune the factory S650 ECU, Ford will serve them with a lawsuit for tampering with their IT Security Systems. Because to them, these cars are computers and computers need to be secured. I'd say, if people can create a completely third party aftermarket ECU that replicates the factory computer lanes the car needs to function, but is completely separated from Ford's own internal systems, therefor no over the air updates or Ford remote diagnostic services, that will most likely be the only way that any of us will ever be able to tune the S650 from home. The only reason that the Whipple kits allow for a tune is because Whipple is partnered with Ford, and they're the ones accessing the cars, not the actual consumer. If something in Ford's systems were to be compromised because they gave Whipple access to tune the cars (i.e. someone using the tools Whipple includes in their supercharger kit to tune a car in ways Ford and Whipple don't intend), Ford would most likely axe their partnership with Whipple and discontinue all support for their products in the future. Likely suing Whipple for the 'breach' as well. Just another reason I don't see tuning on the S650 to be a possibility any time soon.

[@ryanr2347]

This is actually such a unique point and it honestly makes sense, just really sucks that you can’t tune the S650 for whatever reason

[@86SVO7B]

Well put. Didn’t think about that.

[@newedge2001-z5d]

Thanks for the insight! Guess i'll be hanging on to my outdated mustangs for a long,long time!👍

This sounds like a problem that Ford created, if that is infact the case. Software-as-a-service has really been an enabler of laziness and corner cutting in my opinion. Just release a damn good product with some halfway decent foresight and these manufacturers wouldn't have to 'tie strings' to their products.

[@wesd2845]

You are spot on with everything you said. I'd rather have a low mileage Mach 1 or GT350 then the new s650GT or DH.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Cant argue that man.

[@senorpepper3405]

550 looks better to me

[@Twolife]

@@senorpepper3405 Yep, and who's idea to put 6 headlights on a Mustang?

[@AllThingsBoost]

I think there is just not enough to differentiate it from the s550 other than a few styling mods to make it a desireable buy. The s550 looks just as killer, more performance options, and you save 10-20k+ over a new one. S650 simply offers less for more. It's no wonder it doesn't sell. Keep up the sweet vids man!

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Youre exactly right

[@carlrodd8510]

other than the screens there's precious little different between the 550 and 650. the floorpan and front "frame" are identical (check the slots on the rs "frame rail" by the fuse box, the 550 mounting is there). two things going against the 650. 1) there aren't any other pony cars so there's no intercompany rivalry. 2) by the time you get a decent 650 and Whipple you can own a car that doesn't rattle and pop from the factory. anyway. sad days for the pony car world.

[@TwoLuckii]

Prices are insane on these things. My friend and I were comparing the prices of the S550s to the S650s yesterday. We seen EcoBoost S650s in the same price range of GT S550s. We seen BASE S650 GTs in the same range as PREMIUM S550 GTs. The insane part of it, is that we seen the Dark Horse in the same price range of GT350s and certain GT500s. The price is probably why.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

WOW! I didnt even know that

[@wallmart1sh]

It’s price for me I made what I wanted on Fords site it was going to be around 59k for what I wanted. So I was going to wait a year and save up. Now the same build is now 63k!! WTF?

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Yeah its insane fr

[@TO-dl2gg]

Go build one on Fords site and then compare to leftover 24’s on cars guru or something like it and you’ll a dramatic price difference..Ford has become extremely greedy from price of vehicle to shutting out the after market with keeping ecu locked out wich also affects content creators such as this guy…Instead of keeping such a symbiotic relationship with enthusiasts like no other car makers they get greedy so good I’m happy sales are down and I’m sure they saved a lot of $$$$ on R&D from the knowledge of what enthusiasts have accomplished customizing these vehicles..Very disappointed in ford for this ..

[@KoleWhirld]

I’m literally going to test drive an S650 tomorrow. 300a, white, 10spd. I wasn’t interested because they wouldn’t budge on the price. That was a month ago, HOWEVER, I got a phone call yesterday saying that the price has dropped by 5,000 on the one I was I previously looking at. Now being a long time subscriber (Re-Do Blu) I have to say, you make a very good point. I knew about the locked ECU, but like you, I was optimistic about the future of the platform. Now that I have realized that my guy has had his for a year….and Ford has done nothing, I’m not sure what I’m going to do. GREAT VIDEO bro. Looking forward to more Blucifer content…maybe i should just get a S197 instead🤔

[@clayh2643]

I get what you’re saying but I did want to say this. Stock for stock. It’s the fastest muscle car out right now. Naturally aspirated that is. Secondly the car’s computer even without the tune is automatically calibrating for bolt on modifications without the tune. Headers, intakes, and fuel even with no tune are still picking up good power. With headers and intakes you’re going to be able to run close to an 11.5 and your 60-130 will be in the 9s. Which is super solid. Plus the new interiors are awesome. Im a Camaro owner, I love talking trash on stangs lol, it’s good fun for sure. I’ve owned two 5.0’s in the past though and the S650 has some seriously cool features.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Go s550 mach 1

[@hatch450sx3]

​@@clayh2643 that "auto calibration" sees no gains at all what is the point a Lund 93 tune ffe s550 puts a train on the heavier s650. You are delusional. On paper a Whipple s650 makes how much 800hp? My s550 with headers and Whipple 3.0 Lund tune put 2 plus cars on a Whipple s650 I raced. I make 700 to the wheels. So a 100 plus HP car gets gapped by a fully loaded last gen. Stop apologizing for terrible products.

[@Fahrenheit38]

Cant get over the 2024 interior, that dash is a imax screen and HVAC in a touch screen is a deal breaker. So happy with my 2022

[@Thai_Iced_Tea]

Low sales definitely due to no tuning. People love modifying their cars and when you only have 2 options for boost: Roush and Whipple blowers, a lot of people are going to move to other platforms like the M series. Glad I kept my gen 3.

[@puddin1455]

3 Pro charger is available now

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Thats what im thinking too honestly

[@hatch450sx3]

Finally someone on here with some sense.

[@TheJrt1983]

Mainly the price imo but yet here I am stuck in the early 2000s in an 03 Cobra lol

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Bro thats so true 🤣🤣🤣

[@_Shake_i]

Fellow new edge owner🤟🏾😂

[@angelgjr1999]

Same haha, love my new edge GT. Little modular engine refuses to die! 😂

[@nberkel]

03 Cobra is where it's at, regardless of prices of newer cars!

[@_Shake_i]

@ 4.6s never die easy

[@parsley7894]

Just bought a 24’ GT Premium (active exhaust + 20” wheels) before the new year. Several local dealers said they’ve been sitting on the lots for months. They blamed economy/2024 election “nerves” and just the lack of interest locally in coupes over Broncos and Trucks. I was happy to grab mine several grand under MSRP and got an interest rate through Ford about 1/2 of what my banks were offering (horrible) on new vehicles. I’d say price, interest rates and declining interest in coupes are all to blame over the actual vehicle’s blemishes/negatives. So far, I love the look and drive of my new S650.

[@hatch450sx3]

No it's tuning. People like me who had money ready to boost a car off rip can't tune it we ain't gonna buy. I went and bought 22 right before the 24 launched after hearing it had rolling encryption and Shelby raptor r was still untunable. Now I'm sitting at 700whp daily and no 24 mustang wants to even try to run me.

[@PerfectPrinceX1]

i just got a 24 too. theyll hack it eventually and this no-tune point will be moot.

[@scarlettjo5.0]

@@hatch450sx3you’re right car enthusiasts want more power, we always itching for that adrenaline 😂😂

[@mikenorton8588]

I totally agree. Everyone doesn't have the budget for a whipple.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Nope

[@S5fittyIvan]

Sold my gen 3 s550 about a year ago and man do I miss it 😓

[@DerekBaranProductions]

I miss the mach haha i feel you

[@hatch450sx3]

Tried to tell you to keep the mach. As long as Farley runs Ford it's a dead brand.

[@S650MustangGT]

Really good point on tuning and it’s relationship to sales!

[@Mr.P1neappl3]

You seem happier in this video with such good vibes. Hope you genuinely happy and getting over the winter depression

[@gregcamacho5857]

I think is a combination of all, the price the non tune and the lost of quality on Fords part to make good reliable muscle cars

[@DerekBaranProductions]

This ^^^

[@josh42977]

Gm doesn't know what quality is. They lost quality years ago.

[@BulliKid]

This is not a Ford problem. This is a new problem that faces every performance manufacturer.

[@M.R._Saar]

Agreed on the price. I want the better manual. Naturally, I was looking at the Dark Horse. At the price, I could pick up a lightly used GT350 with the same transmission. Decided to wait to see what depreciation does to a Dark Horse and maybe pick up a CPO.

[@2003cobramustang]

Yes ford definitely needs too change things and make them tunable. I do like your 24! Sales would spike if they unlock the tune.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

I agree man! and thank you dude!

[@Allthingschillguy]

At least the mustang still being made

[@DerekBaranProductions]

This is def true man

[@stepsimpson2815]

Yeah but how’s that working for Ford in sales?!?

[@hatch450sx3]

Who cares if it's heavier untunable overpriced junk?

[@PRamirez600]

really really good video! well spoken, very direct point good job, your content is always very enjoyable but this one really hit the mark! Subscribed!

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Thank you for that man!

[@Tubelly]

Tuning options coming available might help sales come up but again I think like you covered earlier they are alot of moneys for getting a mustang

[@MATRIX9905]

the price for these alone drag the sales down so much especially dodge, if both companies drop vehicle prices sales will go up SO much

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Righhht

[@Nicholas.Lawrysh]

I have a 2024 mustang GT 301a MT.82 and personally I really like the screens I love the car. only complaint I have is tuning is still locked. I’m keeping my hopes up it comes out this year.

[@tthom8297]

Does anyone know If the Dark Horse Front bumper will fit on the 5.0 ?

[@jgspeed2222]

They priced it too much out side of regular peoples budgets

[@DerekBaranProductions]

They really did

[@nationescobedo40]

I agree with you and am returning my 24 5.0 manual for the same reason.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Damnnnn

[@hatch450sx3]

What you getting?

[@rossblondino1797]

Hey man love the content! Also from VA had my S650 for about 5 months and love it! Granted I don’t have all the extra money for a whipple but still love doing the small thing to it. Got the Oxford white bronze package 43 out the door!! Keep up the great work!

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Nice man!!

[@Blueoval08]

Love it, the only thing I think you should add would be Diode Dynamics fog lights as the cherry on top

[@brentpaisley2983]

I’d never spend that kind of money on a vehicle this expensive that I can’t do what I want to it because I can’t tune it. I’ll just spend the money on an older one that I can tune it when ever I want

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Def agree!

[@brentpaisley2983]

@@DerekBaranProductions if they unlock the car sales will go up

[@Shawns.Garage]

$70k for a GT premium?? no thanks. I got a 2014 GT premium instead

[@whitesnake21]

Tablets would stop me from buying it. They belong in a SUV.

[@Danny_Phantoms_S550]

Thank you bro I GREAT video. I just bought a 21 gen 3 10r80 love it

[@txotacticle2514]

To be fair, the mach-e had and still have a bunch of incentives as well as low aprs that played a role in their sales which could explain why they sold more than the 2024 mustangs

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Facts

[@drivenbyadam]

I agree Derek, it’s just not worth it when the S550 is so close to that generation, good video

[@Lucky-zy8li]

Derek you are the best automotive youtuber, Best looking Cars, Im trying to get my parents to buy me a 2014 Mustang GT premium in manual, I wanna start a youtube channel exactly like you man, build up a stang, You've inspired me Derek!

[@shanemcnally365]

I got an s650 last year as my first “sports car”. Going from a civic to american muscle was great so I’ve had a blast all year with it. Still love it to death but really want to enjoy it more with tuning. Really holding me back from modifying the car since the only option is supercharged.

[@chrisfreimiller4878]

Still get some power with the basic bolt ons

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Facts

[@triggersociety12]

U probably seen my last couple vids.. u know i agree 💯 price needs to have options to drop, and get them unlocked 🔓

[@DerekBaranProductions]

I actually only saw ears but im glad everyone is on the same oage

[@triggersociety12]

@@DerekBaranProductions u coming to Mustang week in Texas?

[@8lakk5unshine]

Ford, understand your customers. Mustang lovers are workingclass enthusiasts who want freedom to do what they choose with their private automobile. That means tuning and running fuel systems that support E85. I bought a GT Premium with the hopes of making this car a street monster. The S550 is less expensive and can be built to be much faster than an S650. Why would anyone trade in their S550 or not just buy an S550? I think ford needs to go back to making cars for knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers and not cars for hair dressers and techies that want BMWs and C8s anyway. The quick fix is to drop a USB card somewhere (oopsie) and allow these cars to be tuned. Watch the buzz around the car spike this Spring.

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Trueee

[@chrishammillaudio]

Not being able to customize the new cars with a tune and the insane prices are what's killing the Mustangs. Ford's unfortunately lacking self awareness to realize this. They're being greedy with the price and they lost the point of what made the Mustang truly enjoyable for their enthusiasts. You said it, we don't want a ridiculous amount of tech and the Mustang to try and be something its not. My daily is a Golf GTI. I specifically bought a 2020 Mark 7.5 instead of the newer mark 8s with the all digital dash because I love seeing analog meters - tagging on what you said about the Shelby's not having digital dash's. I'd rather spend that kind of "24 Mustang" money on a nice 13-14 S197 and modify it like you did with Blucifer. Right now, I'm happy with my 2008 and putting some minor mods on it to make it "my own" for a total buy in for less than $20K and 33K miles when I bought it. If I ever get a newer one, it would be the 13-14.

[@BlackBoneRacing-y4i]

I have a '24 base GT and got it for 43+K. I'd say it's not a bad price for what I got (considering the economy at the time). I took it to HPDEs last summer and had a lot of fun. But, it is extremely frustrating not being able to tune it. I installed the X-pipe, took out the carbon filters, and changed the air filters. I even Dremel'd out the grill in front of the air intakes to clear the path. I can't do anything else, except spend another 12K on a supercharger (all in) in order to bump the performance. That's insane. And, I don't have 12k. I emptied my bank account on the car itself. Sadly, I saw the same car for '25 is now 47k.

[@Tubelly]

You have a good point with prices being way over the top right now but I don't think it's just limited to mustangs. I'd love to get into a mustang some day but I'm either gen 1 or gen 3 and both are actually holding their value simply cause of how bad the new ones are tanking

[@newedge2001-z5d]

Pricing is getting too crazy on these Stangs Derek! I bought a new GT/CS in 22 and don't see me up grading anytime soon. I also have a newedge i almost got arrested in. Thank GOD the police officer was a Mustang enthusiast!😂I love my newedge.

[@Coyote9smilespergallon]

So I've been subscribed for a long time thru a couple different YT channels I've had, somehow like a while back I got unsubscribed but I didn't do that, so heads up folks make sure to hit that button to fight back against the machine

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Dude, you cant make it up… insane

[@gunellvaughn-jackson6274]

Most mustang drivers including myself appreciate the upgraded interior and tech the lead contributor to the failure to market is tuning and number the PRICE. Here in Texas you see a lot of younger enthusiast in their 20s driving 5.0s but these s650 are out of their price range. However the Shelbys were always for the older or more established consumer

[@HRs_garage]

Gen 4’s also have stronger blocks and rotating assemblies. Me personally the Gen1 body with a 3-2-1 build will be the best

[@dylansgarage3549]

I feel your pain picked up a screw in my drag radials two weeks after I got them I patched plugged it and it’s been fine since

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Dude, legit the WORST feeling man haha

[@nicholasprivitera4202]

As a gen 3 S550 GT owner with a full bolt on E85 tune on it, I will say it is, out of the gate, phenomenal. I do agree that the sales may be down because of the locked ecu’s but it might also have to do with the fact that these, out of factory, are just not it. Kinda like you said, the new tech in the car kind of defeats the rawness and classic Mustang enthusiasts experience. If your buying a Mustang it’s because your into the heritage and the long dating history of the Mustang chassis. This is trying too hard to modernize and fit in with the new “muscle car” debate. Let’s face it, with the way the market is shaping up to be now, your buying a Mustang because it’s the true American muscle, whether that is because it’s the only one left out of the three or because it’s just simply better, the name carries more respect than any other brand. If ford is watching this then it should be a wake up call. “Don’t fix what is not broken” and if the gen 3s were top sellers then give us the evolution of that. Sure, the minor changes are appreciated and I’ve been in the s650s and can truly say they are still a great car despite those lacking areas, but give the people what they know best and what we, as consumers, will be happy to jump into everyday with a smile on our face knowing we can go gap nearly any car of the same category with a simple tune and modifications

[@Bat131Man]

Love your videos bro! Just wrecked my 2024 GT a few days ago:( super sad

[@billlear5607]

Uniontown ford in pa. Ordered a carbonized gray GT with the bronze package. It was one of the first 24’s to hit the lot in our area. And it is still setting there. It’s such a beautiful car I thought for sure it would have sold by now. Even though I don’t like the digital dashboard. I would still consider buying it if the price and interest rates weren’t so high.

[@L42776]

Bro it’s our economy causing this. Few can afford the s650.

[@austinsebastiann]

I left Ford Mustang and Shelby American multiple emails, messages on instagram page, commnents trying to emphasize issues that could be improved with the new models, and I was banned from Shelby Americans ig page after my comment got enough spotlight, and Ford keeps ignoring me. We as consumers need to come together so we can keep this a true american icon for muscle cars, its important that Jim Farley can address the public on things that need improvement, and we if we can't get across to corporate then someone needs to advocate for us.

[@50Hlyfe]

Interior is still hideous, always will be you can be honest. I would never buy one based on just that alone I'd hate to have to look at that every time I got into the car

[@jeffreya-bomb7313]

I had a supercharged Gen 3 and loved it. When this thing came out, I went the supercharged C7 Vette route and have zero regrets. Ford really dropped the ball.

[@cardellperry954]

Kmsl I had own a 20 330i and I must say the digital dash was lovely but the your right about the mustangs they wanna keep up with the Jones but they failing in performance production

[@michaelbritton6174]

Hey I just wana say thanks I only use youtube to watch your videos any more.. but I wana take time to thank you..truly my girl friend passed away on Monday in car accident and I been binge watch all the old video I watched alot of them in the past but been a follower since 2022 love the channel bro

[@gordydexter2615]

Darek your S650 is an awesome Mustang GT. The price was the #1 reason for the lower sales. However, the lack of tuning due to the locked ECU/ECM is contributing to the lower sales!!!! Ford needs to wake the heck up‼️‼️‼️The price for the 2025 S650 has climbed almost $4K above the 2024. Plus interest rates to finance a new Mustang is also killing sales!!!! You are gonna miss your White S650 when it is down in Florida. Plus if it is not garage kept the heat and salt will age the car very quickly. I lived in Florida and couldn’t wait to get out of FL after 8 years. Many reasons to not live in Florida. South Carolina and North Carolina and Tennessee are much better weather to live and survive throughout the year. Miss your Mach I Brother!!! 👍👊💪🐎🇺🇸😎

[@SuperTonyValencia]

8:44 keep using that beat! So cool! ✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅

[@basicautomotive5893]

How many miles have you put on it since you bought it.

[@Yellow_Car_Bad]

The running thing is for sure an issue but also the main cause for lower sales is price…..

[@brxceod]

tbr if you got the money for the car then you got the money for a whipple to unlock tuning

[@Fordishperformance]

4:30 ugh the coyote cold start sound is horrible, that should be fixed by ford too lol. So if I understand correctly, the ECU is locked and you cannot tune anything else, only be allowed to install a Whipple and THEIR tune only?

[@BLUMAGK]

Great video, I own a S650 and love it, and most of the guys I know that have them enjoy them also. But that being said when folks talk to me about them the first thing they mention is the price. Everything is increasing in price hell look at the price of eggs. Be able to tune may have boosted sales slightly but there still would've been a decline in sales. Me what I think hurt sales is that a lot of orders were put on hold because couldn't get some options they wanted. Not saying it would've jumped 10,000 sales but quite a few folks still don't have cars they ordered. Just my Two cents, keep up the great content.

[@NerfGunSurfn]

Love the videos keep em coming king

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Yessir!! I sure will!

[@slidey8465]

i def agree w you man i have a s650 myself, how much did your lowering springs lower the car? i love the fitment and want it on mine

[@SpeedyGeneralMotorsINC]

Just an idea but what do you think about a terminator swap in blue2valve?? Zr1 and blucifer looking good in the garage

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Would be sickn

[@jakejohnson9827]

Sadly, car content or tuning cars will likely not happen as much as years go on, thanks to gov regulations on cars

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Hopefully not man 🤣

[@Aalbert02]

Everyone complaining about the price you do know bmw M sold over 200k cars last year right ? Those are 70k-90k cars. Pricing has nothing to do with it it’s just the fact you can’t modify them and if you decide to you only have whipple/roush. It’s just simply you can make 700-800 on a bmw with downpipe/tune+E50

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Say it louder. Youre exactly right

[@Aalbert02]

regardless a very capable and sick car can’t deny that. Hopefully tuning with E85 is available soon! Keep up with videos!

[@Shawns.Garage]

i think bmw sales are higher because people kinda realize what’s the best bang for their buck. These prices are quite similar “why am i spending $70k on a regular 5.0 instead of an M3?” I’d buy a bmw too if it were the same price as a mustang and it’s not even a gt500 for how much they want. I’d much rather drop $60k+ on a bmw than a regular 5.0 with no tuning, etc.. But i do agree on the no tuning part, it’s a turn off for sure

[@Aalbert02]

@@Shawns.Garage I feel like if it was tunable tomorrow all the price complaints would go away. But yes you make a great point

[@jasonmcquinn6601]

Tuning might help some but I think the real issue is the price. These cars have insanely high prices now. In 2016 my S550 GT performance pack fully loaded cost me $36k. The same car now is approx $60k

[@RoderickTom-ge1vc]

Love your vids bro💪🔥

[@VictoriasCantina]

I think you could make a case for tuning if most people buying these modded their cars. They don’t. Most folks who buy them want a big block V8 to cruise around in on the daily. The price I think is a bigger factor, but perhaps more than that, the car just isn’t different enough from the previous generation to get people excited. Ford wasn’t ambitious in its exterior redesign. Sure, it’s edgier, but to the casual eye the 2024 is just another Mustang.

[@PeterDePolo]

my biggest thing as a dark horse owner is the fact that the interior rattles are horrible. for a 2024 with 1700 miles on it, the car rattles more than my 35 year old Miata with 200k on it. Idk if it’s just personal experience or not but it’s making me want to get rid of it already.

[@freakinfunnyvids]

Def the price and those ugly screens. I literally bought a gen 3 because of the screens. Then tuning, but I dont think tuning is the reason for low sales.

[@robn_outdoors]

I'm glad you mentioned the pricing cause that's a huge part of the failure. Tuning is a niche community whereas most will do an intake and exhaust and call it a day. Others might add suspension and wheels. Full bolt-on and tuning is a small percentage. The ridiculous prices of vehicles today is the biggest problem. Ford trucks and Broncos exceeding $80K is insane and they have lost me entirely. Therefore, I'll watch your awesome content and remember the days of my '89 GT with full bolt-ons and my '04 Mach 1 that I enjoyed so much. No chance I'm buying anything new. I make good money but between payments, insurance, and VA PP Tax it just makes no sense when it wouldn't be my daily. I do agree that tuning being unlocked would result in more sales. Maybe 5,000 more units or so.

[@RealSVTJunkie]

Gen 2 👑

[@DerekBaranProductions]

No lies detected

[@PUR3ST4R]

i plan on buying a s650 brand new this year price is scary but i’m only getting older and my dream car has always been a mustang

[@NinjaGamerPlayz1]

Another day, another great dbp video to watch

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Means the world youre tapped in this early!

[@NinjaGamerPlayz1]

@@DerekBaranProductionsI would never miss another banger video

[@ctvette1318]

I think the price is reasonable relatively speaking. Bought my base GT brand new for $42k. I’m happy with that. I think the trend might reverse for next year. 1st year body style change, etc. takes time to grow on people.

[@SpeedyBlaxx]

I think its the economics and styling holding it back more than the tuning.

[@LockedInPerformance427]

Drove a 2024 not impressed. I’ll keep my Mach 1

[@DerekBaranProductions]

Yeah the mach 1 is goated brother

[@LockedInPerformance427]

@ I feel just the looks of the Mach 1 is hard to beat. The price was right. These dark horse mustangs are reaching 80k fully optioned out. I think ford lost their mind.

[@dillontitus8150]

I've been waiting for years looking for a mustang. I hated the interiors on the 550s, and the previous boxy style prior.. when the 24s came out, i loved the interior. And the new front-end so I bought it. I constantly look online I think Ford prices have a lot to do with greedy dealerships.

[@cormaro13]

Need to add that form lighting side marker , rear reflectors and back up light next Derek

[@DerekBaranProductions]

F A C T S

[@GamingWitRad]

When the price drop and the ecu unlocks i might still consider but I think i wanna build a suv

[@seanmccarthy6992]

People got to realize we’re lucky we’re even getting a manual V8 in todays world with all the EV vehicles and all this killing the manual cars so for us to get a car that has both and is pretty cheap we’re not even appreciative of that fact but imo I’m grateful because ford might actually kill the mustangs but they need to bring the prices down on them because that’s why people aren’t buying them and we’ll look back and be like man why did they kill the V8 mustangs and we’ll be like I don’t know man

[@DerekBaranProductions]

I agree with this too

[@jakejohnson9827]

like with the trucks across all american companies like Chevy, GMC, Dodge etc. If people didn't jump to buy the newest car or truck, prices will go down because dealers want cars that are on lot goneeeeee

[@DragonKnightX12]

@@jakejohnson9827 Honestly I'm still seeing regular discounts at the big Ford dealers. They had fully loaded GTs knocked down to $48k before even getting the end of the year.

[@DragonKnightX12]

It's across the board inflation. What actually needs to happen is the government needs to step in. Either enforce market caps on products, or enforce employers to pay more without jacking up the prices. Seems like all these companies forgot people need to make enough money too be able buy their products and services.

[@gaivoron]

What's worth it?

[@giftedcracker]

How is tuning still locked, but you can get a whipple tune?

[@billbeckham2280]

I don't think it's an inability to make modifications that are hurting the Mustang. Sales haven't been consistently above 100k units since 2007. From 2007 to 2014, they went from 1035k to 82k. Sales increased in 2015 to 122k, but then have been on a steady downward slide since then. In fact, in 2022, sales were 47.6k - just 400 units higher than 2024. Whatever is happening to the Mustang has been happening for a while.

[@jmasterlink13]

I remember back when the s550 (15-17) were coming out you could get a very well optioned one (GT performance pack) around 32-37k brand new

[@jacqaqq]

For all your reasons was my reasons for buying a 23GT. I specifically did not like the dash those two big tablets. Secondly, the price and being the first model year. I Agree just leave that dash alone and stop jacking with it

[@albertogarcia6348]

I read on the internet that it is possible to put a tune on a 2024 mustang GT it's just difficult because of the electronics but it can be done

[@jbp1981]

It’s the price. The masses aren’t tuning a car under warranty that they just dropped $50k on. Plus e85 isn’t available in most areas

[@Coyote9smilespergallon]

There's a 2024 Darkhorse DBP blue 10spd for $57k on Cargurus 9k miles , that's worth it they have Differential coolers w/fans trans and oil coolers, magnaride susp, 4wheel brembos with drift brake, stringer stock engine, loaded Darkhorses are basically the New Mach1s with extra goodies even

[@DerekBaranProductions]

GT350 or Mach again

[@KentPhillips]

It's definitely tuning. People keep saying it's price, but it's not. The 2015 mustang was 32k in 2015 which is 43k adjust for inflation same price as it is now. Being able to easily mod, upgrade, and tune, mustangs along with people seeming to like the fastback look better than the Camaro was a big reason it was popular. It's the reason BMWs are blowing up. They're easy to make on with a couple upgrades even though the cars themselves are more expensive