Dear Shane Dawson...

[@pyrrhichos]

I find it frustrating that he was filming himself pacing around his house screaming at tatis video but stayed dead quiet about the Smith thing....

[@laladegelman8422]

Also, when he was live, I noticed he ended the live RIGHT before Tati mentioned her concern for James’ mental health, being that he was staying in a tall hotel, and how Shane didn’t care. That made me, erkkkk

[@colleenmcnally9418]

The difference is one was the truth,he made a disgusting joke about willow and was probably embarassed and ashamed. The other was a 40 year old woman,lying about a situation she created. But noone knows the truth for sure about that but her tears looked absolutely fake.

[@saedoll2507]

I feel like apart of it is because one he can control, Tati and smearing her. Questioning her opening up about her sexual abuse, so his dumb ass fans and go and be like 'its a lie' 'its fake' 'she's making it up' 'oh yeah, where's her proof?' 'she's manipulating us with her story!' ... But for the Smithes I feel like he has nothing helpful to say, and its not like he can smear them.

[@fifaashfaq]

@@colleenmcnally9418 your misogyny and racism is showing. Cover it up😗👀💀

[@fifaashfaq]

@@colleenmcnally9418 oh and also, p*dophillia is not a joke. Get help.

[@sarita5957]

What some people forget is that some of us WERE trying to call out Shane in the past, but we would get harassed by his fans as a result of it!

[@joannafreedom7914]

Yep. And his fans were crazy telling people to kill themselves. None of that was removed. Yet they auto delete comments with too much truth

[@BoopOnYourNose]

Yessss!!!! Exactly!!

[@kawaiikoibito3268]

Right?? Same thing with Jefree Star. WE BEEN hip to the bs but the stans were vicious and were too delusional about their fave doing something like that

[@TheEtherny]

I never watched him cause his content seemed inherently bad but I had to watch him over the react channel when he was invited, right before he started making docu series, and even not so long ago he always came across as negative and edgy, so when I found out he was super loved and trusted because of those series and was even considered and angel, I looked it up, and this is the most fake I had seem him, and you can tell what the real him is in that livestream when he was about to call Tati a bitch but he quickly said "I DoNt waNa sAy mEAn tHinGs!" like come on dude, drop the act already. I'm not saying it's bad to have a youtube persona but when you're using it to conceal the true you it's when you know something's up.

[@Rosedeath68]

Thank you!! I was talking about these issues for years now when everyone was still kissing his booty but now they want to listen and realize his problematic history

[@catwithwifi10]

I meannnn, this stuff about Shane didn't "come out of nowhere" - people of color and, primarily, Black people have been pointing this out for Y E A R S.

[@minuishaq631]

Same with Jeffrey

[@niomiasoulz8074]

Its been out for years, but due to their fake personas ppl neglected to believe that it actually happened. So seeing as jeffery and Shane are both under the microscope now everything is actually being shown as racism and such. Yes people should have canceled them long ago. But at least its happening now.

[@Unhappytimeaper]

And I think what is even more frustrating is how much of this has to do with performative caring from White audiences?? Not to they shouldn’t but why did it take so long for people to care. Almost every year this is brought up and until now it’s been a “well he’s changed” response from people. Is the only difference drawing the line at a p*do stuff? Why did it take you this long to hear about it,, even if you are new or not I feel that information has been extremely public (or maybe I’m just old cause I remember when he was still doing the Blackface sketches). I just don’t think I can understand how it took until this point for people to take that racist content to heart and seriously from non-Black audiences.

[@ericadogan7966]

Exactly it’s just getting gray because there honestly were enough white people who cares enough to push It publicly

[@katiekuchen9694]

I’m white and I noticed this a long time ago! It’s people like him and his audience that gives us a bad name!

[@jessiethomas471]

If someone shows you again and again who they are, you have to believe them. I think that is where everyone went wrong

[@smokey_glow]

Well put 🙌🏻

[@bigsiskrishere]

Like Maya Angelou said, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

[@TehMomo_]

@@bigsiskrishere i take that quote with me everywhere in life.

[@happyviewer4872]

I'm going through a divorce, and my Mom says this to me every time I am surprised by my ex's behavior. It took a while for it to really sink in.

[@grace_josipovic]

@@happyviewer4872 Been there. All the best for you.

[@Caffeineandcats]

Honestly Shane’s reaction to Tati mentioning her assault proved to me that he hasn’t changed in the slightest

[@sleepy.elle00]

If I was Shane Dawson and Tati was talking shit and false accusations, I would be like “okay bitch. Where’s the receipts?” 😂

[@gsd715]

That moment was the final nail for him because it really showed his instant gut reaction and that he is always looking for ways that manipulation can be used so to see someone being vulnerable about a truly horrible thing to him is only done for manipulation. Plus considering most of his fan base is female identifying this was the moment that showed he's not the "gay best friend" that is always there for you, supportive, and empathetic. It was crazy to me how it wasn't until that moment happened that I finally saw people saying they were done with him even though there were plenty of people saying they still didn't believe Tati. Now he's kicking up his merch sales via Jeffree's killer merch company so he's testing the waters for a comeback. The Toxic Trio need to GTFO

[@Brooklynlamar1]

@@sleepy.elle00 exactly. Like he doesn’t just go and say “oh my god🙄” when a women talks about her abuse. But he completely played himself with the way he reacted, he wasn’t upset that she’s making false accusations he was upset because she was making factual accusations and he was seeing that knowing that his career was most definitely over

[@catherinedean3796]

@natalie7662 I mean we should totally be sympathetic to how pOoR he is guys, his life is really hard and we just don't get it 🥺

[@alexnoonan8490]

I take issue with the fact that he says “those clips were edited to be taken out of context” but calling a 6 y/o “s*xy” 🤢 in any context is gross af

[@scaredbi]

That's the thing about some of these "jokes". First, there's not really a punchline or reason for the joke like most other edgy humor. There is other dark humor where the point is to show the ridiculousness of bigotry like in Blazing Saddles. But for shane, these jokes are just saying offensive things without apparent irony or even a punchline. And there are certain pieces of art that have disgusting elements that are made by good people for example, horror includes those elements but not all horror creators are evil. But these offensive and disgusting statements said and done in the way he did them, I dont think would occur to most people to do. I dont know how it could occur for you to do as a bit, honestly.

[@connycrayy]

Exactly disgusting any way you put it I don’t care if it’s “edgy humor” disgusting. 😤

[@aaljustaal1890]

I remember hearing the full clip in D'angelo Wallace's video and it's still gross with the context 🤢🤢🤮

[@MinatheRaichu]

When I first heard it, I thought it was more like he was trying to explain that the kid was dressing and posing in provacative ways and that was it. Like, the words I used didn't come to his head at the time, but that was the easiest way. I didn't grow up on Shane, so I have no real stake in him needin him to stay pure. But that's how it registered to me. Then the rest of it came out. And then seeing it, my heart ran cold, and the full horror was realized.

[@MinatheRaichu]

@forest rin I agree that the children aren't doing the provoking. But I am also aware of people allowing/encouraging their children to behave/dress that way for money or followers. Though the kid is not trying to provoke and is in no way at fault, it's more like they are put in these situations. I dunno if I'm explaining it well, but the closest thing I can think of to relate it to is TRO's video on that underage instagram model who was being "managed" (read "used") by her dad.

[@bonnievalentine]

I see a lot of people saying Shane shouldn’t lose his career over this, but like, why? If we want cops to be fired for misusing their power, if we want doctors fired for causing harm, if we want teachers fired for not promoting equity in how they run their classrooms, then we shouldn’t allow “influencers” to continue to have a platform. Sometimes accountability is losing that form of a livelihood.

[@XProShopperX]

i wish this was the top comment

[@tyreek.6815]

I mean agreed but its the internet you can't really lose your job. Like KZbin drops him. Then his die hard fans are still gonna support him if he goes to patreon. You know?

[@midwesternprincesss]

holy shit.. THIS!!!

[@emmahawthorne2891]

Tyree k. I hadn’t considered that, but you’re entirely right. The fact that that’s true terrifies me.

[@biggnome4653]

We need to hold Jeffree more accountable I feel like he’s getting out of this again and he’s just as if not worse than shane

[@whatthehellisthis]

i’m afraid that he’s come out of this unscathed

[@ventustbb3229]

@Big Gnome Well if JS doesn’t say something soon people will just believe Tati. I’m very curious as to what will happen next tbh.

[@averydaily]

Encourage everyone to hold him accountable with their money. I doubt KZbin is his major source of income, stop buying from his clothing/makeup brand.

[@MeganAllen1738]

His stans literally _do not care!_ they don't care about his blatant racism, defence of a p*do, ill-treatment of his fans, slander of other content creators, his constant involvement in drama and his hypocrisy. They. Don't. Care. It is extremely frustrating to watch and most likely he's going nowhere. To be successfully cancelled, your fans should not continue to support you. They will not stop. They are just as gross as he is in my opinion, especially if they know about his disgusting behaviour.

[@theskeptic777]

@@averydaily how about you leave his stans alone and let then buy his merch bc they like his stuff. Imagine hating on someone for supporting someone they like, cant fucking relate

[@christineb7945]

It’s really frustrating that AGAIN Jeffree Starr seems to be getting out of this unscathed. Again. Did I mention AGAIN?

[@melfree2545]

Christine b I think if Shane had taken the same route Jeffree is taking (just be quiet), he probably would be getting a LOT less criticism. Jeffree isn’t stupid. He knows the internet moves quickly. He knows a week can be the equivalent of a year when it comes to “news.” He knows if he lays low long enough, if he stays silent long enough, if he ignores it, people will move on.

[@joshguthrie7787]

It’s mainly because Jeffree’s Fanbase doesn’t expect anything better from him, and in a way are used to this behavior from him. Shane’s fanbase, however, is more sensitive and will not support him through this

[@dkiernan18]

Christine b people think that oh it’s just jefree

[@baby8665]

He's definitely not unscathed, he just has a more loyal fanbase and the majority of people were (obviously and fairly) more focused on Shane since there was a lot more shit to unpack with them. But everyone outside of his fanbase sees him as problematic and a joke and his makeup is now being sold at TJ Maxx and went on sale for like $1/an item on Morphe lmfao

[@bookslikewhoa]

I think part of the problem is that we assume “nice” people can’t also be harmful or destructive. Plenty of people who are perfectly pleasant in their day to day interactions can also have a pattern of hurtful, predatory, or unkind behavior that comes out in a different context. So it’s not inconceivable to me that Shane is legit nice to most people and still have huge issues that he needs to be accountable for

[@PanicattheDiscourse]

Nice actions can also still be abusive as well. Promoting her merch unasked makes her feel indebted and thankful. He basically weaponizes good deeds. Same with J* when he donates to cashapps in public

[@isabella3909]

bookslikewhoa THIS 🙌🏻. The same can be applied to relationships. Just because they’re nice at times, doesn’t excuse their problematic comments/ behavior!

[@sersastark]

Ted Bundy was known as being charismatic, social, jovial, handsome, and charming.

[@marisabel5500]

I agree. Also one thing that I think people don't understand is that forgiving people for their past action DOES NOT mean that those behaviours where ever acceptable. It's when people change that kind of behaviour that I will trust their apology. In my eyes, his past happened and he hasn't even done that for a decade. However now we are seeing another type of behaviour where he has become one of the plastics and is easily manipulated by his idiotic and toxic friends. I dont think he's evil, but I don't trust his judgement and he's not very smart or mature..

[@QueenXKnit]

These people are « nice people » to be able to hide in plain sight and stand above any suspicions. That’s it.

[@seeyoucu]

As a man of color, I normalized my oppression watching Shane's content. My friends, watching Shane's content, normalized anti-blackness and I thought that that was okay. And, of course, it's not just Shane's channel, but the society within which his channel exists, that mutually reinforce this oppressive behavior. Looking back at all of the times that Shane made content that then gave people I associated with permission to make me feel less than because of my color...it hurts me. I hope that he gets therapy. I hope that he finds peace. And, ultimately, if he chooses to, I hope that he leaves the platform to facilitate serious self-reflection.

[@caraland]

Thank you for this

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

When people say "it's just a joke," your comment is the exact sort of thing I think of. It's so much more than poorly thought out shitty jokes. My heart goes out to you, friend. I'm so sorry.

[@claireeebee]

Thanks for sharing and I'm sorry that happened to you. There's a study with dolls that started in 1940 where black and white kids choose a black or white doll. Statistically most of the black kids chose white dolls. When asked to describe the dolls, they felt the black dolls were "bad" and negative things and the white dolls were "good", "nice". Where do kids learn this behavior? I think it's society, media, inaccurate representation in media. Even if Shane didn't mean to make black/poc feel bad, I'm sure he did. And he normalized racism as you said. That's why these "jokes" aren't funny to me. They can really hurt and in a very deep way.

[@sevenatenine10]

I think these are great points and this is why I hate the excuse of just wanting to see how far we could push things or how nothing is off limits in comedy. If you are using comedy to reinforce oppression and stereotypes that hurt people, that is just reinforcing internalised -isms within your viewers. It's not shock humour, it's trying to justify oppression and undermine the value of all people.

[@chantalsmells]

Elongated Muskrat I agree, when I see comments of “stop being so sensitive, it’s a joke” I feel people don’t want to understand that it’s more than that. I’m half black but I was raised in a fully Hispanic neighborhood. I’ve been called racist things all my life(so there’s racism everywhere, it’s not just white people as some like to believe). I’ve had to distance myself from otherwise really cool friends who used my skin color as a joke or a way to get a laugh out of our friend group. It simply just gets tiring and annoying to be made fun of constantly and be told “it’s just a joke”and I believe it’s because society today, Shane included, have put out that it was okay to say these things but it wasn’t.

[@octoberisobelmusic]

I hate how he normalized all of these awful behaviors knowing how his audience was mostly children.

[@joscelynrane6204]

The audience was of all ages and they helped normalize it. It should’ve been shut down the second it got out but it wasn’t. It was accepted and taken as a joke because that was that generation of people. We are ACTIVELY trying to change this now. The things that were acceptable then will never be acceptable again, ever.

[@Luminastry]

I feel ya. I was a kid when I first started watching him back then and from all sides of KZbin his content was normalize, accepted and even celebrated for a long time. He lost popularity once but he was just as popular back then as he is now

[@rhodopisdenile8977]

Joscelyn Ranĕ this was the 2000’s black face was still not okay then and neither was pretending to jerk off to a child

[@iciajay6891]

As a survivor of CSA, trying to normalise inappropriate things toward minors, is a form of grooming. It is classic behaviour. By ' normalizing' abuse, they desensitize there target. And those around there target. They create a narrative that it is fine. And in so doing, make it easy to victimize children. By joking about it does the same purposes. And lets them see how far they can go in there grooming. To see if they can get away with things now, or if they still have to work on there target. It also builds a scenario, that if they ever slip up in the future. If they say something that is a red flag, and makes some of the people around them question there intent, because they have built the groundwork of being a jokster about inapropriate things toward children. If anyone might question it, they have built a foundation that they 'just make crud jokes all the time '. It is all parts of the child sexual predator handbook. But every one of these behaviors he exhibits, is common in child predators.

[@autumnroyals9039]

@@joscelynrane6204 it wasn't normal before shane though. There is an article that came out a while back and it literally talked about shane dawson helping bring back "blackface comedy" into popularity on larger platforms again and how he was the forefront of the spike in racially charged remarks being classified as "jokes" and by a while ago I mean like A WHILE ago

[@hannahl8081]

Considering the billions of views worth of videos that he’s deleted from his various channels, there’s definitely a lot more out there that he’s trying to hide, and it’s overwhelming

[@madisondaniel4124]

Eh I don’t think he cares I think he finally deleted the channel bc it got demonetized

[@marisabel5500]

Maybe he's ashamed of it. He doesen't like his past. I mean, what would you do?

[@sheeps_]

What we’ve already seen is disgusting, imagine what he’s hiding....

[@sersastark]

@@marisabel5500 he's not ashamed of it. He kept doing it over and over and over. He's not ashamed.

[@leledeed90]

Serah Olivia how do u know he is not ashamed?

[@nataliesue5000]

Shane: “I’m attracted to broken people” Smokey Glow: “Me too that’s why I went into social work !” Thank you for this... people need to understand there is a way to go about doing things . Continuing a toxic cycle is not one of them.

[@JazUpMyStyle]

That was my favorite quote from this video

[@Beeoog]

100%

[@sams2277]

I never fell for Shane’s image revamp because his friendship with Tana, Jeffree and Trisha was a giant red flag 🚩

[@cassiea13245678]

His series with Jake Paul should have been a bigger flag for me. I found the whole "investigative psychiatry" angle to be incredibly hokey and insensitive, not to mention the serious allegations against Jake that Shane basically let go. I drank the kool aid on the conspiracy palette and I’m so embarrassed that I ever gave money to Shane and Jeffree

[@debbrown3760]

You're right I failed to see through it

[@sunnysun3740]

@Natalie luckly its not only your community that matters

[@sunnysun3740]

@Natalie 🤣🤣🤣🤣 why am I not surprised.

[@IWouldHaveGoneWithYouToTheEnd]

@Natalie girl why so salty 😂

[@sydneymahan3989]

During Shane’s live, the second Tati brings up her experience with abuse, he rolls his eyes and calls her manipulative. Actions speak louder than words Shane. If you’re a terrible person it shows, and it did.

[@lovebabesweetie]

I thought the same thing when I saw his reaction.

[@Starriaaa]

Facts like he claims to be this big empath but the moment Tati spoke in her experience he showed he really didn’t care.

[@elliej6535]

Sydney Mahan honestly I didn’t have the same thoughts when I saw that clip. When I saw it I thought his point was saying like he would never use a story of abuse to manipulate Tati because he also was abused and she was manipulating by insinuating that they targeted her because they knew she was sensitive to that. I’m not saying he should have reacted like he did but I guess I just didn’t really see him as like dismissing her abuse

[@sweetandsoursoup]

Tells ya all you need to know honestly.

[@hannajean8204]

hinestly, they all suck

[@Viccobalta]

I can hardly BELIEVE that Shame had the GALL to perpetuate the narrative that James was a predator when all of this was out in the open about him

[@amandasky5198]

srsly tho

[@munkylemon13]

I mean it certainly says a lot. Projecting thoughts about himself onto james

[@Viccobalta]

@@munkylemon13 same can be said of jeffree tbh, trying to convert straight underage male fans during his myspace touring days. disgusting

[@AvengeTheTRexOfSteel]

@@Viccobalta also said that dancing(grinding) on fans, who are obviously kids, on stage.

[@DumbGoosey]

Keep in mind tati actually started the drama, and spread the rumors, Jefferee and Shane were just going from what they heard. Tati is too much of a pussy to admit to that and making herself out to be the victim like always 😂 honestly I just hope this drama goes down, we already have the election shit, and corona, stuff like that, now make up drama. 🙄😓😅

[@anaugustvirgo]

“If your mental health causes you to do things that hurt other people, it’s not necessarily 100% your fault, but it’s your responsibility to fix it.” I tell my younger sister this all the time!!!

[@yesterdayitrained]

IMHO, it’s your responsibility to take care of your mental health BEFORE you hurt other people. Obviously, this can’t always happen. But the once you know/realize you have an issue, from that moment on, it’s all ON YOU. You can’t ignore your mental illness or use it as an excuse. Mental illness may influence your behavior toward others - to a degree - but mental illness does not CAUSE the behavior. I understand it’s difficult, but it’s your responsibility to keep yourself in check to prevent hurting others. I am not criticizing your comment - just clarifying a bit.

[@poppymai5284]

I think what you said about him being a chameleon with his content is 100% right. I think after this he will rebrand himself completely however I don’t know whether his intentions will be pure. I genuinely think that will take a long time.

[@lizisasleep]

I think the problem with the question “how did this go unchecked for so long” is that it didn’t. It’s just that the people who have been calling him out for years have been ignored and silenced. They’ve been harassed off of multiple platforms by his rabid stans. Some of these people were black women, and I think that’s an important component. He’s not surprised by any of this coming out, because it’s come out again and again. It’s just that until now it’s been ignored, accepted, and at times even celebrated. He made money from this offensive, evil content. He built his fan base around it. And until now, that fan base has protected him from criticism. This has always been who he was, and none of it was a secret. But he’s a white man who knows how to manipulate an audience, and his critics were mostly marginalized people with smaller platforms, and people chose to ignore his issues because something about him seemed “nice” or “likable” to them. You may not feel that you have been manipulated by him, but believe me his kindness to you was calculated.

[@DarksideBallerina]

@Bersa Brie I really don't want Onision to be right but...he might be...

[@katienystedt8663]

When Shane was at his peak like 2008-2012ish I watched his channel a lot, and I was like 11-15. No excuses whatsoever but I think part of it is he got a lot of views from young kids who didn’t get the jokes and now we’re all older and realize how problematic it all was. Very disappointed in myself but glad I see it clearly now 😬 it’ll be interesting in 10 years for the people on KZbin now (Jake Paul, Tana, etc) who have already raised some red flags but get away with a lot cause their audiences are a bunch of young kids who don’t get it

[@gabrielaguillen3485]

I believe this is very true because during one of his videos with ryland he said that he had told Andrew that every year people try to cancel him. And he told Andrew be ready for me to be depressed and etc which is problematic looking back especially bc his old videos not being deleted until recently. I knew he had a past but I thought it was just stupid jokes that were just hygienically gross not like we all know how it is now which is crazy. Shane honestly shouldn’t have a platform.

[@imnaynay]

Katie Nystedt this. I loved the shanaynay videos when I was like 11, but rewatching them now and looking back, I’m noticing all the jokes that definitely went over my head when I was a kid.

[@lizisasleep]

Katie Nystedt Cultivating a fanbase if children is definitely part of the equation here, you’re right about that.

[@Esshood]

I think part of the issue is ppl think of people over the internet as 2D instead of a whole person. A person can be “nice” and still do bad things.

[@carnuatus]

People can't even think of people irl like that. Though, I think in the case of Shane, it's a not very nice person who is capable of doing nice things. Mostly for the sake of their own image and as a manipulation tactic

[@yesterdayitrained]

@@carnuatus I came to make your comment. It’s an issue in real life too!

[@dallasbray5036]

There is a difference between having genuinely grown as a person, and learning not to be racist in public, and i think a lot of these youtubers mistake the latter for the former because their entire life is the internet.

[@missburn]

That's a good point.

[@minteymouse8045]

He’s irredeemable in my book. Along with his friendships now reminds me of “you are the company you keep”, so he couldn’t have changed that much. I think it’s a horrible look for him to come back.

[@1313aves]

He honestly hasn’t changed at all and his reaction to Tati and seeing how he is behind the camera when he was filming his horrible movie really showcased his true colors.... in my eyes

[@leigh8253]

Even if he’s not racist, being racist is ok to him, and those kinds of people are just as toxic

[@sweetheart_cosplays]

Especially after everything trishas done

[@mary.catemas]

I agree with you. "You are the company you keep" can be applied to a lot of KZbinrs right now who are saying that their friends decisions/actions do not directly speak on their own actions. However, I would reply by saying that it does. By being friends with people who have done racist, sexist, homophobic, pedophilic, misogynistic things, you are basically condoning what they have done. By continuing to surround yourself with people who do those things, you are saying that what they have done doesn't bother you enough, or isn't bad enough, for you to separate yourself from them. (And I don't say you as in YOU, but as in the KZbinrs who are claiming these things.)

[@crayonpenguinpenns9055]

Leigh if being racist is ok to you then you are racist bc you see the mentality and belief that minorities are lesser than and to be hated bc of the colour of their skin then and that is racism bc he's perfectly happy to accept that behaviour and that thinking

[@iimmannii]

I just want to say that as a black person who has been Terminally Online for decades, the general rhetoric of the internet was very racist until sometime in the last 5-7 years. Many were conditioned to be accepting of as edgy of content as one could create. I used to post my art online but I was terrified of being identified as black as a kid because I was nervous that people would just onslaught me with n-words. That's kinda how it was and that's the climate which Shane entered with his content so it's not surprising it was so awful. The only thing that is surprising is that he managed to make such a lengthy career out of being a KZbin star, whereas many people doing the same kind of content faded into obscurity or are doing something behind-the-scenes instead.

[@cchance9618]

Imani I think you made a good point about online social etiquette being different from IRL. Unfortunately there are many that hold racist views and they may avoid saying or supporting that in real life out of fear of social backlash but the internet offers a degree of anonymity so people were more comfortable taking part in it online. Now more awareness is being raised and Internet culture is shifting somewhat. Unfortunately I do not think that will end racism. Racist people will still be racist in private but it is satisfying to see people who used the internet as a platform for spreading hate because of the lack of backlash get what’s coming to them in terms of demonetization, loss of fans, and general social outrage at their actions.

[@Aniracia]

I feel like u did. I am a big girl - and I am so afraid to post something with for example my hands showing because I am so afraid that ppl will only attack me and not look at my art. I also play a ton of video games and would love to stream (not to become famous, just for fun) but because beeing a woman and beeing overweight I will never do this.

[@cchance9618]

Ani Rac Girl I’m so sorry to hear about how limited you feel by your size. If you want to post, you should do it. Trolls will post ridiculousness no matter your size. However, there are plenty of people that won’t judge you and would maybe enjoy your content. Do what makes you happy :)

[@GuardaGuada]

I feel like "wokeness", for lack of a better word, became very popular in the last five years or so; but young people don't have an idea how widespread was problematic behaviour in the internet before. Shock humor was considered edgy, as you say; using any kind of slur or word that you werent supposed to be used was seen as being a rebel by a huge mass of white teens, and also by some minority kids. I feel like everyone is rightly outraged by things that are shitty, but were normalized at the time, and while I love that we have reached the point that problematic behaviour is called out; I worry that thiscan be some sort of momentary enthusiasm. That many people are following what tehy perceive to be normal without deeper analysis. And maybe in a few years it will be "trendy" to be offensive again

[@kimmyball4961]

I just want to say I'm sorry you were made to feel that way!! Thinking about it, racism was probably so much worse online because these aholes could remain anonymous. (Not ytubers but people leaving comments and such)!!

[@Hablamospaja]

18:16 “If your mental health causes you to do things that hurt other people, it’s not necessarily 100% your fault, but it’s your responsibility to fix it.” YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@minkimouse]

One of my favorite statements I try to keep in mind is "It may not be your fault, but it is your responsibility."

[@gabriellas_fan]

Alyse oh wow I love that quote. I’m gonna try to keep that in mind next time something goes wrong.😃

[@ManningInterpreter]

One of my biggest problems with Shane is how he uses mental health as a scapegoat to take any accountability or responsibility for his actions. I am a licensed therapist. I would not allow that to be an excuse for my patients, and he doesn’t get some kind of free pass. Trauma and mental health are not excuses for being manipulative and hurtful. They might help explain why those actions are a first impulse. Shane has the resources to deal with his issues and learn ways to curb his impulses and choose better ways of responding. We all must be accountable for our actions. When I started my recovery journey from my addiction, I had to be accountable for the damage my addiction caused. Yes, my addiction was fueled by my mental health issues and trauma. But, that wasn’t an excuse for the damage I did to people. It’s hard and it’s humbling. However, the more excuses are made for him, the less he will really learn. We are actually doing him a disservice when we don’t hold him accountable. ❤️🌈

[@kacie3289]

P R E A C H! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@beckybertish7841]

Yes I totally agree, people shouldn't use their mental health as an excuse to be shitty. People need to own up their mistakes.

[@spectre9340]

It's really a sneaky tactic as well. Cos if you try and call someone out on stuff that they did, you might end up looking like an asshole for getting mad at a person who has depression, anxiety and/or PTSD These influencers weaponize their mental health only when they have no other excuse to make.

[@meghansullivan6812]

yessir!!! i think it was in another one of hannah's videos where i first heard the phrase "mental health can explain but not excuse your actions" and i think that sums it up brilliantly

[@criminallyautistic8372]

Do you think he could learn? I understand we need to hold him accountable. I agree. But after a 2 year absence, could he possibly do something that may win the world's forgiveness somehow. I'm kinda torn. Not trying to defend anyone just saying.

[@mirandasummerset]

Random question, but does anyone watch D'angelo Wallace? He made a video saying he thought jeffree faked a robbery, no one is really talking about it But wow if true

[@jannafranco5623]

l know, I saw that video and I'm surprised that nobody seems to be talking about it

[@minuishaq631]

KZbinrs always seem to be faking robberies

[@void-xt8pw]

I do! His one of my favorite KZbinrs. And yeah I definitely think JS faked the robbery, he has a record of constant lying so I wouldn't be surprised.

[@hollybauer739]

Yup, his videos are awesome.

[@johannak1983]

I recently discovered his channel and I'm obsessed!

[@miloka2938]

I really hate when Shane used to say how "poor" he is... That all of those big KZbinrs make so much money and he does not.... While living in a f*cking mansion and buying a new one :/// discousting

[@Viccobalta]

i understand he had a tough childhood (like he ALWAYS says) but he never grew out of his victim mindset and saw how much privilege he was coming into when he became successful. he took no responsibility for using his privilege properly. the 'im not like them im poor' thing is a blatant refusal to acknowledge that he has an impact or to be accountable for it imo. so childish and unappealing... the opposite of empathetic

[@XProShopperX]

milo ka agreed! i visited LA last summer and there were soo many homeless ppl in the streets THOSE PPL ARE POOR. not this 30 year old man wearing a belenciaga hoodie

[@NamiNuitsuki]

@@XProShopperX that is what is most shocking to me. Like, he doesn't live in a small rural, rich community. He lives in fucking LA. Anyone who lives in LA and in LA's suburbs will attest to our massive homeless issue. There are so many homeless people, it's impossible to not see it. He has seen them, I guarantee, and he is okay with going back home to his mansion, turning on his god-knows-how-expensive camera, and talking about how poor he is. While those people sleep in boxes and use bus stops as shelter from the rain. Fuck him. He is not sympathetic to anyone. He is cruel.

[@rena5843]

*Disgusting

[@bearallen81]

We all saw the mask slip in his Live reaction to Tati's video. That was the real Shane we all saw for a few minutes there. And you watch him try to readjust the mask when he's about to call her a name and then is like "but I don't like to be mean to people". This is your true self. We all saw it.

[@fifaashfaq]

@@CityofAngelsC this isnt tati vs shane. This is us vs his racism and his p*dophilliac behaviour.

[@fifaashfaq]

His "stans" didnt. People are still defending his sick behavior by calling it humour and jokes. And im like🤮

[@ButChaAreBlanche]

If Shane had any self-respect and was truly sorry, he would remove himself from the platform. Periodt. Jenna didn't want to monetize on the pain she caused, so she's gonna try something else. That seems extremely fair, considering Shane's comments are literally dangerous to child.

[@vi0let781]

I don't really know the drama what do Jenna do?

[@shinyasora11022171999]

@@vi0let781 Jenna explains everything in her video

[@valeriaarredondo6953]

He has so much power. As a person of color who watched him at the age of 10. I normalized people making fun of me for the color of my skin. I normalized the "it's just a joke bro". He can grow from these awful actions but the people affected can never unexperience the pain, or normalization of joking about our trauma.

[@lizisasleep]

I’m so sorry you experienced that. Thanks for this important reminder of the real world consequences of normalizing racism in media ❤️

[@yms4355]

THIS.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Exactly this.

[@nadiananette6430]

Thank you for sharing your side. I’m so sorry that you did that. I also did, just to fit in. I’m half Syrian, and was called “camel jockey” as a “nickname” in high school. I fully embraced it because I wanted to just be cool. 🙄🤔

[@ksusksus]

Speaking of him having power on impressionable children, I think he fucked up a lot of young minds in many ways: making fun of stereotypes (racial, sexual orientation), oversexualizing everything, normalizing offensive shock humor. It's extremely disturbing how it has affected me and other kids and young teens. It's terrible that young kids are still being exposed to messed up content and there's really no way of controlling it.

[@Tinywhisperer]

Ill never understand people who say “the humour was different back then!” Bc i dont think any NORMAL person finds jokes about children and pedophelia funny, even back in 2012

[@treemarie213100]

I am a year older than shane and I can tell you confidently that No, No one ever thought that shit was funny but him and those like him.

[@CT-mc9ew]

In 2012 I was 20. And no, it wasn't funny. If anyone in my friend group made a joke like that, everyone would cringe and be like "dude." The most offensive things that were humorous back then that aren't appropriate today is calling each other names like "retarded" or "gay". That's not right either, but it sure wasn't joking about abusing children or painting ourselves black and saying the n word.

[@Nyzahnewton]

kay I’m sorry but if you are not a POC than you do not have the right to say what is and what is not offensive to our race. Okay, what your friends did is not okay and should not at all be normalized

[@ositaiza888]

@@steponme1343 I was maybe 10-12 around the time I found his old content. I remember thinking some of the stuff he did was wrong, but casual racism/homophobia was so normalized I thought maybe I was thinking too much into it. I would read the comments and no one would say anything, so young me would just try to ignore it. I think the weirdest thing for me is that I remember him being offensive back then, but I didn't remember the sheer AMOUNT of it going on in his videos that's now coming out

[@Alexuhh15]

@@steponme1343 Yessir. That's exactly the situation I'm in. My brother showed me shanes old videos when I was in THIRD grade. I laughed along with him despite not knowing or understanding what I was looking at. My brother did but he didn't care, he still doesn't. I live in a very conservative household and my family throws around slurs and stereotypes like they're nothing. My brother only stopped supporting Shane when he came out because he's insanely homophobic. I don't know why I spilled my whole life story but I guess I gave a lil insight into what shanes content looked like to someone like me

[@CutiePie4325]

does anyone else remember when shane used to parade shanna around as his token black friend? i'd love to hear her speak on this; i bet she'd have quite a bit of insight.

[@alessandralupo1017]

Omg I completely forgot about Shanna!! Looking back on it, he probably only had her around just to make himself look better (Im NoT rAcIsT, i HaVe OnE bLaCk FrIeNd!!!!!) and to distract from his racism. Didn’t Shanna have a channel a few years ago? I hope she’s doing well :)

[@lehaiilzxo]

Alessandra Lupo I think you’re reading into things way too deeply

[@jayahunt5885]

@@lehaiilzxo I don't think she is many people do this actually where they search for poc people to associate themselves with so if they get called out they can be like oooh I have a black friend!!! My friend thinks it's okay!

[@fruitmonsterfly1]

I know that she tried to make a channel for herself on her, but I don’t know how it’s doing. She said that she’s suffered professionally from those videos bc whenever she tried to get roles, she gets typecast into racist, stereotypical Black roles. So she’s suffered a bit from being associated with him.

[@lehaiilzxo]

Jaya Hunt yes but Shane and Shanna were very good friends and hung out off camera, and he helped her start her KZbin channel career. He taught her everything there was to know about making videos and editing. All that just to show off his token POC? Please. I don’t buy it.

[@BvrgGbln]

“I was inspired by Jenna Marbles to make this video” when I heard that I was 100% done. He saw all of the positive love Jenna got and decided to capitalize on it and come forward with his own “apology”. It wasn’t enough. You’re right. It was sincerity based on what someone else did. He should have taken those videos down a long time ago and then come forward and been like “hey you might have notice some videos are gone and here is why”. I get mental health and people grow and change and he’s human but it’s like you said he continues profit and capitalize off of marginal groups.

[@kre583]

Say this louder for the people in the back!!!!

[@ipetzombies]

The only difference is Jenna actually has grown and actually feels genuine pain from her past actions and she didn't apologize because she was forced by cancelation. She did it because she's not a shit bag of a person. He doesn't feel bad, he feels bad for himself.

[@alipie02]

Yes! Exactly.

[@garnetgamer9921]

Not that I'm defending any of Shane's actions, but how is him being inspired by Jenna a bad thing? Isn't that good theoretically? He could have seen her video, realized all the manifestos and apologies thus far had been inadequate and realized he needed to do something like she did. His apology didn't really amount to much obviously, but I don't see how the intent was flawed?

[@StarDreamsStudios]

Stephanie Lunde exactly

[@christirowland858]

This is my question....WHY was it OK for KZbin to keep those videos up for 8+ yrs and continue to make Shane & KZbin MILLIONS...but Tati was asked by KZbin to take her 'Bye Sister' video down because its not a good look for their platform.🤔🤔 Wwwhhhaaattt?? Make THAT make sense.

[@whatthehellisthis]

youtube is wack

[@joannafreedom7914]

YT has straight up channels selling children. They ban anyone who tries to expose it. They protect pedophiles. It's what will bring yt down in the end.

[@spoiledartist9471]

If Shane and you tube don’t end up with a class action lawsuit on behalf of the kids that were in his videos, I will be amazed

[@whatthehellisthis]

joanna freedom the fact that they’re ok with onision having a platform says it all

[@spectre9340]

Also, Tati's latest video wasn't even on the trending page despite everyone flocking over to her channel to watch it. Meanwhile, Shane's latest video WAS on the trending page 🤔

[@figuringitout4732]

"You can't build your empire on dead bodies and then be upset when you end up in jail" first, love that, is that an original quote? Also, I really appreciate you and your content, especially how you break everything down and try to be understanding while holding people accountable. Love the makeup too. I was hoping you'd do red/pink and glitter

[@carolinedoglio1495]

i have hesitation to say that shane had been deemed “unproblematic” or “unchecked” because people of color have been speaking out about shane for YEARS. Not even just for his black face or gross sense of humor, but people of color have been saying this since he’s started making “””documentaries””” and every single one of his subjects had a racist problematic past, painting them in a very certain light. I don’t want to watch a 3 hour - 8 hour series of a racist and be told that i should feel bad for a racist. It’s clear that the only person who would produce content creating this narrative is also a racist, and not seeing that is white people being naive and a part of the problem honestly

[@joan6096]

Exactly!! As a blasian something put me off Shane as a kid couldn’t pin point it I was like 9. I watched that first doc hoping that either of them actually changed from the things he said about Blue Ivy and his cat. Then I saw Jeff’s apology on racism where he didn’t even admit to being a racist (neither of them have admitted to being racist, racists never do) decided then and there neither of them have done anything to grow or change never watched again cause they haven’t done crap and keep doing the stuff they’ve been called out for

[@vanessawilfrose]

soft bean I had just washed watched his recent video on Jeff Star. It explains a lot of who Jeff is and his lies

[@LikeHell18]

This!!! It's so frustrating to watch all these people now canceling him because the complaints have always been there. Most people just ignored them because they liked Shane's content.

[@frostyskeletons8950]

Ash Fernández I think that’s true and I can’t imagine how frustrating it would be to watch people support him when his horribleness was known. I do want to say, I wasn’t ‘ignoring it’ I just had no idea about any of it. I wasn’t on KZbin during his worst eras, and don’t have a twitter account. I think there’s lots of people who really truly didn’t know, which is certainly a problem because it means BIPOC voices weren’t reaching people who need to hear it and a lot of white people haven’t been doing enough to seek them out. I hope we can do better and stay aware what other communities are saying because the POC community deserves better. I’m sorry so many white people suck :(

[@beautyandfashion1563]

EXACTLY

[@itsgaylebitxh]

The racism wasn't important to his fans. That's how he got famous. It was condoned.

[@fructiferous]

i repressed my memories of HeyItsMilly. low key feel like i was groomed

[@itsgaylebitxh]

@ana uwu So you're saying instead of condoning his racism, you supported it. Like other kids did?

[@frostyskeletons8950]

itsgaylebxtch I think she’s saying she was too sheltered and young to understand that it was racially based or what that means.

[@itsgaylebitxh]

@ana uwuThat's what I'm saying. No one opposed it back then.

[@kimjohnson8471]

Yes, hold his viewers accountable.

[@sidsthesid]

I think there’s a difference from forgiving people and accepting they can change, and.... letting them be famous millionaire that has a platform to millions. He’s proven he can’t respect that responsibility with his actions and even if he does change I don’t think he deserves the fame anymore in respect to the people he’s affected and the entire KZbin community.

[@LavenousForever]

As i kid i was scared of Shane. Then freshman year of college (during the phase where he sat in his kitchen and ate all the food and let stuff burn in microwaves/deep fryers) i came across his videos and love them. I was really depressed in the dorm and his jokes about over eating and hating yourself just made me feel better i guess, as messed up as that is. Seeing the amount of clips coming out is so shocking to me. The fact that i had no idea any of this stuff was out there, when it really wasn’t hard to find is terrifying. After watching these old clips, the newer stuff, behind the scenes from Not Cool, his apologies, etc. I can’t tell who the genuine Shane is. And i don’t think we ever will

[@Elmyda-vc5ew]

Your not only right, the end of your comment was well put!

[@kiki18723]

This is the exact same for me! I was extremely insecure and watched those type of videos to feel better. I felt like someone could actually relate to me. After that I stopped watching him and didn’t think much of him, but seeing this it just makes me realize how toxic it was.

[@lee_wel]

I found him around the same time you did and always felt good after his videos recently I was trying to see that he is a changed and genuine person but all these things continuously coming out I don’t know how to feel

[@jennivee5621]

It’s weird how specific your comment is and how much I relate. I went through the same thing. It was the summer before college. During high school I was in a program for low income students where we took classes and got to visit museums/ see plays for free but I aged out of the program. I could not for the life of me get a job or had any friends. I was so sad and lonely. Shane posted regularly at that point so it was something consistent that I could rely on for that para social interaction. It was a dark point in my life that extended through to my first year of college. I wasn’t there for the initial phases of his career. But when I found out later I kind of didn’t take it seriously because I didn’t know how bad it was. Now I’m so shocked. I feel so disappointed and hurt. I felt like I could relate to Shane because I had gone through similar things than him but now I have to say goodbye.

[@Vivian_here]

That phase of him was actually the first time I watched him, I was like in middle school. He was entertaining and I laughed. But slowly as his past started to up, I felt disgusted that I even gave him coins with the kind of past he had.

[@victoriaramirez5743]

When you mentioned how you had a positive experience with Shane Dawson when you gave him criticism, it reminded me of MacDoesIt tweeted. When he was going to work with Shane Dawson he suggested that Shane should address his past. According to Mac, Shane blew up at him and made a huge ordeal out of it. I find it very telling of Shane’s prejudices that he decides to blow up at a black man criticizing him and not a white woman.

[@smokey_glow]

Very very telling.

[@hollyhales2831]

I think he is nice to most white drama/commentary channels. I know he used to speak to Angelica Oles

[@_SkyeLer]

This is the comment I’ve been looking for. 👏🏾 I really enjoy and appreciate Hannah’s content but the moment she said that he reached out to her and marketed her palette unsolicited and so she felt cordial to him and that he was nice, I smelled manipulation all over that. But he seems to do these things exclusively to and for white people and the black people and other POC he blows up at and gaslights and ignores and sends his fans to tear apart.

[@erinmcdonagh831]

Holly Hales yeah Angelika spoke about how he helped her by shouting out her channel and just doing nice things but i can’t help but wonder if that was just a way to make sure that those people wouldn’t speak bad of him

[@PRM77]

@@erinmcdonagh831 I think it is, but it doesn't seem to have worked with Angelika. I really like her because she has been open about it and has expressed her opinions in a relatively unbiased way. She usually says that she's not on youtube to make friends but to be as unbiased as possible.

[@morningfaroe612]

“you can’t build your empire on dead bodies and then get upset when you end up in jail.” perfect description for america.

[@MKisVlogging]

Everyone is saying that he was hiding all of this. I don’t think he did... just his 20+ million fans normalized his humor. Bc if u get offended by dark humor then your a “snowflake”.

[@confusedaf1112]

Yes because talking about sex with a 12 year old is definitely just "dark humour". /S

[@gabsunavailable7843]

i think some of them normalized it, but i think a lot of them just didn’t look that far back in his channel. i know my friends and i didn’t

[@briannaabel8854]

@@confusedaf1112 lol have u been on the leafyishere side of youtube?

[@MKisVlogging]

Gabriella Sara I mean I get that.. but like even his non controversial vids... he would make a lot of sex jokes, and dirty jokes in general. And me being 12 at the time found that kinda unsettling but I remember seeing comments and fans laughing at that and I just started tuning out anything he said that made me uncomfortable. Including racial jokes.

[@NeshaBoo]

"What"s wrong with apologizing more than once" THIS! my friend and i had this conversation and i said "the only reason why a person would stop apolgizing is bc they're no longer sorry." If someone is GENUINELY sorry for what they did and wholeheartedly apologize they will reapeat as many times as necessary.

[@ccalexander1924]

Jenna made one video that people thought was disrespectful. Shane has made years worth of disgusting content. Huge difference. I don’t think Jenna needed to leave youtube unless it was for her own peace of mind

[@carnuatus]

She made one that people thought was racist. A couple, actually. If you watched the apology it was about more than one video. But. Unlike Shane. She grew up. And knows how to take accountability. For the most part.

[@fadalerabrasool4540]

@@carnuatus she also took accountability without being asked to or being called out for her actions. Shane waited until it blew up for him to address not even half the stuff in a very victim card esque bs apology video

[@katieh2166]

He needs to abandon the Shane “Dawson” persona altogether if he wants to show he has changed as a person. You can’t slap a layer of new paint on a house with a rotten foundation and expect it to be a new house. If he wants to start over from zero under his real name on a different channel then maybe that is an option for him but he needs to get rid of Shane Dawson. I don’t think he as a person is irredeemable, but I believe his persona is and to continue to benefit from it shows how little he regrets the choices he has made.

[@simplynautica3233]

But he already went from Shane Dawson to just “Shane” .... where else can he go he already did that rebrand!

[@seroquelz]

He hasn't changed. Those "jokes" he made about kids, all the pics and videos of him being inappropriate with kids and animals...yea, that's not something you "grow out of," he's sick.

[@minnowlark9461]

There is no rebranding what he has done.

[@cnb716]

@@seroquelz to say that though means you don't think people have the capacity to change. They do. He likely has changed, but not enough. This is the type of change that takes actively working on it for years. Shane needs to figure out why he did those things and thought it was acceptable, why he has a hard time owning responsibility and apologizing (which many people do), and why he continues to surround himself with people who are extremely problematic. Yes, those people need to change, but no one can make someone change. You can be loosely involved in their life to have the conversations to help catalyst change within themselves, but they shouldn't be your best friends because your fundamental beliefs would be vastly different that you can't have that deep of a relationship.

[@fraxinus_ash]

@@seroquelz people absolutely can grow out of shit like that. Without wanting to be too specific, I used to make some horrible "jokes" as a way of coping with how I expected to be treated by people. I don't anymore. I gradually learned why I did that and why it wasn't okay and moved on. Not everyone stagnates.

[@Wideyeseemore]

If there’s anyone still lingering with doubt on Shane being being this “ empath” “shy” “ submissive”, “ noncomfrontational” person. I implore you to go check out the behind the scenes of the making of his film Shane wrote/produced/acted in where his true character is on display before he figured out he could sell people on a fake persona of him. Shane’s not attracted to broken people b/c he sympathizes with them, it’s b/c he find comfort in the same flaws he hides behind the scenes. This the reason why he’s remained friends with Tana, Trisha, and gunned for a friendship with Jefferee star b/c that’s what he really wanted to learn from J* was how to make that $$$$$.... not makuppp.....

[@kendallcoleman134]

I agree. couldn’t have said it better!!

[@Laura-in1xg]

How he acted there is how he acted on the launch of the collection with J****** S**** Cosmetics, exactly the same but even worse because the people in charge couldn't do anything because the page was being down due to so many people trying to enter at once and it was even worse for what they thought it would be. He's TRASH if he blames people working for the website and speaks to them like shit, one reason to show he hasn't changed

[@dreamsicle3113]

I got an add to buy or rent his movie on KZbin earlier today. KZbin, pull yourself together.

[@nightfrost1891]

agreed and if ya'll don't know where to look and don't want to watch the full thing the title of a video compilation of shane being..shane is called ' shane dawson being a jerk during the production of his movie "not cool" ' so search that up on youtube and be prepare to be flabbergasted i highly recommend everyone to watch this i get people can change but not THIS much 2014 wasn't 2009, it''s not even been ten years

[@anged5142]

Only watched a few of his vids and I never understood how ppl didn’t see him as so fake. He reeked of forced emotion to me. Sociopaths learn how to put on a fake persona to get what they want. Just sayin

[@emilietrepanier1673]

Hannah, the fact that Shane, someone with a huge platform, promoted your palette, and you aren’t letting that effect your bias, is why I STAN HANNAH. I STANNAH.

[@TheRenegadeStarr]

I’m glad that you’re a white woman who can understand that someone like shane can be nice to YOU and you can still realize and understand that he can be horrible to other people and how folks enable that especially if he’s been nice to some of those defending him.

[@kumjumba1377]

@Meme Queen I second

[@felicitymonart8283]

I watched Shane a lot as a kid, especially his Podcast. I remember watching some of the clips that have come out *the ones from his podcast* and I feel as if those 'jokes' have had a long term impact on my life. Jokes like that desensitized my younger self to such disturbing topics, and now many years later I still feel guilty for the 'jokes' I made. I made these jokes to shock my classmates because I thought it was funny, and then used Shane Dawson and other KZbinrs as excuses for my bad behavior. I don't think Shane truly thought about the consequences of what he was saying, and that has dangerous effects when you're a person with a platform. I, as a kid, did not think about how much pain is caused by sexual assault and pedophilia instead I thought it was something to laugh at, something that almost wasn't real. I soon learned what I did was wrong, and I still feel guilty to this day. I think what we need to take from this is that content creators need to learn (a lot do, but the ones that don't) how impactful their words/ actions are. I don't think making 'offensive' jokes are necessarily a bad thing, but before they're said there must be a process by which people think the joke might seriously hurt someone, or enable someone's bad behavior.

[@amandasky5198]

you probably feel more guilty than shane feels and that's unfortunate. he had sooo much influence over children's minds at the age where they were super impressionable and want to copy anyone they look up to. it's just so disturbing on so many levels.

[@LotusBom]

This is exactly how I feel ! I think a lot of things I’ve done were just trying to be like Shane bc I would think that bc they said it was ok and we’re successful it’s ok. Now I’m shocked I fell for it even when I knew it’s impossible to justify pedophilia

[@chrisindie]

I generally agree with what you said, except for the part " I don't think making 'offensive' jokes are necessarily a bad thing". Offensive jokes towards a marginalized group, is always bad, as it serves its purpose to normalize and further push oppression towards that group of people. So yes, they have always been malicious and will continue to be until people realize that and start calling out those who make those "jokes". For everything else I agree, especially about the part on the responsibility of the creators and the influence they have especially over very young audience, who usually don't still have critical thinking, in order to filter the trash out.

[@teethegreat2010]

THIS. >

[@noemyemma9035]

EXACTLY. I feel like he still doesn’t understand why making jokes on child abuse victims is enabling pedos & child molesters. I believe that any subject can be made fun of, however, when you make fun of victims you sorta take the place of the agressor. You enable their behavior and normalize children’s exploitation. There are still people online who think sex with children is normal so IMAGINE his impact on these peoples’ fucked up psyche,

[@AwkwardSingsSongs0-o]

Honestly he's just an off brand onision. literally looks just like him and has done the same problematic shit.

[@vi0let781]

They look like brothers loool

[@MinatheRaichu]

@@vi0let781 and they both hate people saying it.

[@perrylinply7482]

I truly thought they were the same person

[@RachelDoesntknow]

He's just a better actor and a more patient plotter.

[@Stantheman12551]

It bothers me when people say “the humor was different ten years ago.” So to me this says that Shane will literally say anything to be “relevant and funny.” If that “humor” was “popular” again, Shane would go right back to it and so would so many other people like Jeffree Star and others who say the same excuse. Just my opinion tho.

[@whitnehhh2]

that makes sense. I think his past wouldn't be as big of a problem if it seemed like he really did change. But that would take a lot of change...

[@BettyBonkers]

The thing is though, it wasn't. I do remember in the early 2000s and partially into the 2010s edgelord culture was in, but it was never mainstream and people were calling it out back then. But they were labeled as uptight and then SJWs.

[@doriking9756]

Nah the difference is that no one called you out for your inappropriate comments aka jokes! It was never ok, people were just scared to call them on it. But yes I agree he goes with the tides.

[@MicheleEskelin]

I don't remember this crap ever being funny.

[@batulbaiwala6344]

I personally disagree. When people say “the humor was different ten years ago” it’s because it was. Doesn’t mean it was right, just means that people around him, including his followers were completely okay with it and in fact enabled him. And now the same people are turning on him, knowing very well that back then they thought the humor was edgy/shocking. Aren’t we all growing as a society? Aren’t we supposed to bring about personal change and reform within ourselves too? Why bash a public figure who has time and again apologized for his past actions and SHOWN that he has astronomically changed as a person through his more contemporary videos? Does a 10 minute compilation of the most horrible clips taken from thousands of hours worth of footage over the past 10+ years accurately define him as a person? If so, then i don’t have faith in compassion or a chance for growth anymore.

[@yowhaddup9763]

Some actions warrant an apology. Some actions need consequences, and he didn’t have consequences back then, so they’re happening now.

[@GhostlyEcheveria]

He has already lost everything over this years ago. He had a deal to make a tv show and lost it over one of the last cancellations that got out of hand. He has lost countless sponsors. He lost his youtube channel income. He is losing his make up line. When is it going to be enough? When he finally kills himself?

[@StephanieHarlowe]

Yassss girl 🤟🏻

[@kristyrussell1748]

Ahhh love you Stephanie!

[@stellar927]

Omg i love u steph!!

[@PHYSHY47]

Stephanie Harlowe love your channel girl ♥️ Love seeing great youtubers watch each other and supporting each other.

[@larajayne4934]

Stephanie Harwlore 💕 I love your true crime videos while I draw or do my puzzles 😅😅

[@bethanysigler6567]

@@PHYSHY47 is in here hi G

[@sarahstroud6021]

It really showed Shane’s true colors when he reacted to Tati’s video. He broke his character and I feel was the most genuine when he reacted to that!

[@whatthehellisthis]

i’d like to know why he thought that was a good idea

[@Morjority]

Nah that was all calculated too

[@MagieeO]

Same! When he said „I, I.. I was molested“ I saw his character as clear as never before. Hope that makes sense

[@TheEtherny]

Yeah, my big big problem with Shane, as of today, is how he invented himself this new person of this wholesome guy who is empathetic and sensitive, and I was like..dude, you were so fucking edgy there's no way you go from A to B just like that. Jenna you can tell she changed cause even tho she was an angry person she just evolved her humor and tried to educate herself overtime instead of faking a whole new personality. You can see him hanging onto his persona when he was about to call Tati a bitch but he said "I doNt waNNA saY meAn tHinGs!" like, dude, drop it

[@faiali2895]

TheEtherny the way he rebranded and managed to convince everyone that he’s a sensitive snowflake that can do no wrong is honestly terrifying lol

[@shirleytodd1]

I recently discovered he made a movie and was a part of a documentary series called, “The Chair,” and seeing him in both was a huge eye opener. Not only did he make such an awful, crass, edgy movie but he was the WORST KIND OF PERSON TO WORK WITH. Though his insecurities and way of thinking are relatable and understanding (his fear of being judged on how he looks, weight/image issues, low self esteem, wanting to branch out from his KZbin box but being stuck with it at the same time) he wasn’t helpful, he refused to collaborate, whined and complained all the time, and basically gaslighted the production once they all spoke out about how awful he was to work with. Worst of all, once it came to hiring actors for the movie, barely anyone auditioned because they saw how crass the script was. People on set we’re talking about how one look at his channel, Shane Dawson TV, was enough for them to know how homophobic, racist, and offensive his content was. It’s surreal... and it makes me wonder why I never bothered to look for his old content.... I knew he existed way back then in old KZbin land but I never watched it. And he made it seem like it wasn’t worth checking out his old stuff so who cares, he’s a “different person now,” but... I don’t know if anyone can make a huge personality change like that and not still hold onto some of it now. I’m all about forgiving and wanting people to grow from mistakes but this is going to take a huge reflection on his part. He hasn’t even properly apologized for everything and like you said, he was still profiting from all this until just recently. He needs to stop being so reactive, drop all of the friends that aren’t helping him and talking sense into him, and really properly apologize and reflect.

[@simplynautica3233]

Oh my god that just sparked a memory for me. During his Jake Paul documentary in the last episode Jake said a RACIAL SLUR and Shane kept it in and reacted completely neutrally to it and people called it out. Then he got SO MAD on twitter. I just remember him throwing a tantrum and having huge “if you don’t like what I put out unsubscribe! I’m a documentarian!!” energy. Very similar to how he hated criticism in The Chair.

[@Tvd97]

@@simplynautica3233 My feelings exactly. I never watched his old stuff, and basically just started watching him after his doc on Bunny, who I did watch for years. After seeing how he behaved on The Chair, and seeing how he behaves to this day when criticized, I have a hard time believing he's changed much.

[@Hannah-in3xe]

YES!!!! I watched a video about the chair this morning. I was totally shocked by how awful and hypocritical he was to everyone around him who was trying to HELP Him!!!! To me it only further solidifies that the whole "I'm sensitive" thing is a complete facade

[@tess3000]

Even this comment was eye opening to me, thank you for writing it!

[@NovelistDienne]

4:19 Like LovelytiTV said in her stream people (majority black) have been warning ppl and hold SD accountable for *10 years*. I remember when the Williow Smith clip 1st came out, the small black channels that I followed dragged him for filth only for his fans to flag their videos for "bullying" and the majority of the comments saying "what can't you take a joke?". My, My, My, Have the tables turned and it was a memorable moment cause that was one of my 1st interactions with toxic fandoms. When SD and JS did the collab it wasn't a surprise since IMO they and their fans are one and the same it's just that to rest of the world SD knows how to hide his bigotry in plain sight. But LovelytiTV made a good point in her stream, It's a lot easier to dismiss racial issues as a joke and come at people saying they're being too sensitive but that s a lot harder to do with the pedophilic subject. Every joke has a little bit of truth but one thing for certain is that all the OG black KZbinrs who helped Shane from the very beginning of his channel only to be stabbed in the back when they in turn needed help are feeling vindicated. Here's the live stream I was referring to: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ64e3Shi7aLnrs

[@_Chlorophyllis]

There was a phrase my grandfather use to say: "Dime con quién andas y te diré quién eres." (Tell me who you are with and I'll tell you who you are).

[@cringeproof100]

Preach

[@gabsunavailable7843]

my grandmother says that all the time

[@danielabackstrom]

🙏🙏👏👏

[@marianaa.moralesm]

my grandma says that to me all the time

[@victoriajordan644]

I honestly think Jeffree is going to throw Shane under the bus and not take accountability, but that’s just a theory.

[@kdragon713]

He already has

[@lizisasleep]

Oh that is absolutely what will happen. None of these people are actually friends. They are business associates.

[@nametags]

I think he already has. I suspect he’s part of how this content is getting revealed now

[@user-j9r5k]

He has to in order to save his career. Shane is done.

[@jamarsh09]

For me, I think that Shane might see it coming and try to get a jump on him

[@alexisaspy2429]

17:45 but in Shane's book he stated he was never molested as a child and was "offended" that he was never molested as a child. He only said he was to one up Tati

[@carnuatus]

Not true. He's actually said it outside of the Tati situation and before it. He mentioned it either in the podcast with Grace Helbig or Rhett & Link and there are clips elsewhere on YT About it. I believe he may have actually been assaulted but the way he used it was undoubtedly slimy and doesn't excuse his own behavior.

[@its.tiana.yall.]

That "why the eff are you still friends with..." came from the depths of her soul.

[@TheBeautyBandit4]

felt that 🤚🏻

[@amandasky5198]

it all comes down to ulterior motives at this point. jeffree has power over him on some level, including financially

[@lovesbeauty9564]

Same that's she said ; why am I yelling I felt her anger

[@alaskaroller2192]

Remember when Jake Paul said a racial slur during when he was being interviewed in the last part of that series, and Shane still tried to make him the good guy?

[@NamiNuitsuki]

what racial slur did he say?

[@mariaandreinagarcia6177]

@@NamiNuitsuki I think it was the b word

[@NamiNuitsuki]

@@mariaandreinagarcia6177 Oh, I don't know of any b word that is racist. Can you direct me to where I can find what it is? I'd like to be informed on these things in case it happens around me

[@mariaandreinagarcia6177]

@@NamiNuitsuki It's a slur towards Mexican people en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs Go to the b category, it starts with "bea"

[@NamiNuitsuki]

​@@mariaandreinagarcia6177 Thank you for the link! I will use this to educate myself and try to make those around me aware of this. That was so shameful on his part, what an ass.

[@victoryt9]

Never apologize for yelling. I was sitting here doing my own make up and going like "YES GO OFF" because you're not wrong and sometimes yelling is the valve we need so we don't end up exploding elsewhere.

[@jLo4sho]

FINALLY someone asked about his TERRIBLE friend choices...I can understand why Garrett and Drew are no longer around and that makes me sad.

[@xosecox12]

Yes. Garrett and Drew both seem so genuine. It's not shocking that when Drew was struggling, it was Shane he distanced from. I think Shane was a bad influence on his mental health. If you have low self-esteem, being friends with someone who glorifies self-hatred makes it worse

[@rachell7318]

Wild Shivers ASMR Drew is the only reason I ever watched Shane’s channel!!

[@4everGirlStar]

xosecox12 actually, I myself as a viewer had to distance myself from Shane before because his videos started making me feel like SHIT! I kept making self-deprecating jokes and it tore down my self esteem :S I’m good now tho!

[@tashevans3940]

Drew and Garrett have reasons and it might have nothing to do with Shane why they don’t hang out, they might just not on camera.

[@cali.elli.6624]

When you have more followers than the population of literal US STATES and even some COUNTRIES is when you need to realize that you can’t be held at the same standard as a regular person.

[@StephanieHarlowe]

This

[@confusedaf1112]

This

[@katmanson6879]

This

[@guacamole4258]

So true, his subscriber count is TWICE the size of the population of Portugal!

[@butterflygirl141]

Absolutely, and more so for things you are deciding to post on that platform for that massive audience.

[@tinytacos5221]

"He saved youtuber's career" GraveyardGirl: 🥺😔

[@jennyB07]

LMAOOOO that was her own damn fault tho.... she’s so unlikable

[@IS-jo6vl]

Even being 10, I stopped watching Sh*ne because he made me SO uncomfortable, but I could never figure out why

[@biie.0431]

I was an edgy 12 year old when I found his channel, but yea, I reaaaly could not get into his content, it was too much and too gross. I didn't even comprehend the social problems in America at that time(seeing as I am from Europe), but even then, something irked me and didn't sit well with me.

[@mariedevan]

Girl me too!!!! Made some all uncomfortable. And the black face for me at 12 sent me over

[@jasminelambert3753]

I definitely feel that. My friends all watched him and thought he was funny. At one point they even made a little video on a computer pretending to be “shanaynay” and came up with other racists names for themselves. They convinced me to be in it too but I refused to talk in the way Shane did when impersonating a black woman. I was just really uncomfortable in the whole situation and didn’t totally understand why back then. I hadn’t really thought about his old videos or that time in my life again until all of this came back up. It’s really disgusting and I’m glad I am no longer friends with those people.

[@alliem9669]

My friend and I were talking about this the other day. We were young as hell on KZbin like twelve or so. And watching his videos back then I think my friend and I watched maybe a handful MAYBE!!!!!!!! I don’t even think that many. And we were so uncomfortable we literally had to turn off the computer. So that should say something.

[@liliacea816]

he scared me so much when I was little

[@pattysalazar6823]

Shane said in his "welcome to the circus" statement that he was leaving (lol) the beauty community because he wanted to make videos that make him happy like in 2005. Doesn't he makes a point in all of his apologies that he isn't proud of his past content? I mean, which one is it? Why did he endorsed and condemn the *same* content in less than two weeks of difference? Seems manipulative for me.

[@thegirlwiththatface]

I caught that too!!

[@MagieeO]

Hannah: Hi, so today... Me: So we not friends anymore? 🥺👉🏼👈🏼

[@Syd448]

The thing is... this has not been gone unchecked. This has come up every few years. THIS IS NOT NEW. This time, there is a huge cultural change with racism and people are in quarantine... we have a lot more time to review this stuff. This isn’t new. AT ALL.

[@bobrossletsbeatthedevilout117]

We also have to remember the people who watched him were kids who maybe didn’t grasp understand or even know about his past. Now they are older and it’s hitting them.

[@post_cancer_beautycandyjon1049]

From someone that was molested, that whole “Milly” thing was extremely triggering. It made me so sick to my stomach.

[@mirandalynn2996]

I agree completely. It made me want to gag. I don’t understand how people are trying to defend him for this crap. He normalized/ desensitized sexual abuse for a lot of very young people that followed him at the time. The thing that grossed me out the most is that he knew his demographic at the time, which makes it so much more...🤢

[@gimmietoast]

😔 it’s definitely a grooming video. I’m sorry for what you went through xxxxxx

[@jaclynmccosker]

Miranda Lynn I think desensitising himself to his own history of abuse was the point. Along the way, he ended up perpetuating the same cycle that harmed him.

[@MuzicLuvr20]

niamh Shane has a disgusting series with a puppet name Milly...who was an 8 year old talking about sexual things...Sanders Kennedy has the clips. Warning ⚠️ it’s VERY gross and disturbing 🤮 Shane should seriously go to jail!

[@lisasmith7]

I am completely sickened by Shane Dawson. Children are a no-fly zone. I appreciate you talking about this. Frankly I didn't know who Shane Dawson was until Jeffree Star Drug him out. I am 52 today. And I live under a rock. I hope you have a great week. ...❌✖❌ No second chances from me.

[@kathleenem9207]

No apologies for not knowing SD., Lisa. I didn’t either.You are a grown up and probably have a life, family, and job. Covid has give us a lot more “me”time on KZbin. Luckily there are a lot more decent, responsible KZbinrs than the “Drama Squad.” Enticing children and teenagers is despicable.

[@lisasmith7]

@@kathleenem9207 Thanks. I appreciate you. Happy Thanksgiving...❌✖❌

[@ThatGirlShaeXo]

omg I just LOVE YOU! You are just so well spoken and I absolutely love hearing you speak. Amazing video!!!

[@SC-sh5jw]

Shane: I will accept any punishment *Gets his money taken away* Shane: Not that!

[@amandasky5198]

"i deserved to have my career taken away.....at the time" like no you still do

[@lizlushouslife]

I personally really enjoyed Shane’s series with Molly Burke. We need more “docuseries” on non-problematic people like that. Someone take his “documentary” crown, please!

[@CatBarefield]

Molly needs to speak out. It annoys me that she hasnt already. She needs to make it clear that she doesn’t support him.

[@Formerlywendytestaburger1621]

@@CatBarefield bruh give her time it isnt as easy as it looks she gained a lot of subscribers because of him

[@gracerose2549]

When I first watched that series, I felt uncomfortable but I brushed it aside because Molly was okay with him. But, I still get that same feeling. I feel like Shane took someone who was okay with jokes and ran with it. Said a bunch of blind jokes and idk, even if she's okay with it, I feel he shouldn't have. It's amazing Molloy is comfortable with these jokes and she's such an amazing kind-hearted person, truly. But, Shane was still disrespectful to those who are blind. When you're making a documentary, you don't make jokes to make it funny if it's an informative series

[@pippapotamus18]

Molly is such a kind person. I met her at her fort worth meet and greet back in November. I'm happy that she got the exposure she did from the series they did together. But knowing what I know now about Shane and even how he has portrayed disabled, and blind people specifically (see his very bad movie, "not cool" and Lisa Shwartz's character). She likely would not be okay with it. She is a part of a group that Shane has made extremely offensive jokes about. She should speak out, but I don't think that she will. I don't think that she would want to involve her self in the repercussions of that considering, she unknowingly gained a massive following from a man with such a disgusting past. So much of the work that she does is to debunk harmful stereotypes of blind and visually impaired people setforth by people such as Shane Dawson. If she doesn't want to talk about it, as a victim of his harmful caricatures, she has the right to stay silent if she wishes.

[@tyreek.6815]

@@CatBarefield why do we live in a world where people have to validate everything to are nosy asses on the internet or in life in general.😂

[@elkenenvy]

I personally don’t believe he’s changed all that much because of the people he surrounds himself with. I mean Jeffree Star and Trisha Paytas are both extremely problematic. Especially Jeffree, and I hate the excuse that he’s just an empath and has anxiety. It’s insulting to people who suffer from anxiety and other mental illnesses because even we hold accountability for our actions. I think he’s had more than enough time to change and turn himself around. Ps. I love you and your videos! ❤️

[@Tailored_Talons]

Amen! I’m an empath, and I have never made excuses for my bad choices because of it. Yes, empaths feel *so much* energy and emotions but it is up to us to find a way to deal with it. He just needs to follow Jenna Marbles and kiss YT goodbye for a while, so he can work on himself.

[@MsFiebchen]

Is the existance of empaths scientificly prooven or is that straight out of Hollywood?

[@elkenenvy]

MsFiebchen From what I’ve seen, yes they’re just people who feel a larger amount of empathy for others.

[@kaylasanchez1953]

Agreed

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

@@Tailored_Talons I'm only an empath when it comes to characters in movies and TV-series.

[@howsmartareya3908]

I think the reason it went unchecked because everytime you critiqued Shane, you would get attacked. I posted a video of something I found in the past and asked for him to adress it and got attacked by his fans so much I had to delete the tweet. He was basically untouchable about before this.

[@carethomps]

I watched Shane back in the day when he made that content. I was around 12/13 and had no idea what he was doing was offensive and extremely harmful. I realize now. It bothers me that he made such harmful content and never felt the need to give a thorough apology and take accountability for what he did until people really called him out for it. Also super weird he reacted to Tati situation and didn’t immediately react and apologize in the willow smith situation. It just strikes me like he doesn’t actually care about what he did in regards to the willow situation. But when it was beauty guru drama he was so quick to speak up...

[@FA-dv5he]

Well you can blame your parents and your school system for not teaching you about racial inequality and racism. This is all because people are ignorant. Times were different people were and most still are ignorant but we are now able to communicate and have conversations like this where we learn and hopefully change.

[@carethomps]

@@FA-dv5he I agree.Doesnt help I grew up in an almost all white community. I will definitely make sure I start teaching my child about racism from a young age.

[@Iamjustherek]

I JUST found out about the documentary of him filming Not Cool and JESUS CHRIST.

[@cryptidliam8452]

wait what happened in it-

[@confusedaf1112]

Oh no what is it about this time

[@bethel_6571]

What's that?

[@Biogrrrl]

@@cryptidliam8452 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZS9YYOOlseqqpI

[@zeerap5401]

To the people asking what happened: he’s really condescending and manipulative. He doesn’t accept criticism and when he’s called out on it he acts like he has compromised a lot. His movie also has a lot of problematic scenes that made it hard to find actors. He was really really upset and acted really entitled? Like “if they need a job they shouldnt be picky” but since they were looking for actors in a small town (if I remember correctly) there wasn’t a lot of actors around and they were actors with day jobs. I’m talking a lot of racist, bad taste and ableist jokes. Such as a homeless guy eating human feces and showing his genitalia. He also wanted to be credited for writing the script but as far as I know, unions don’t allow that. I might’ve missed some things and maybe gotten some stuff wrong so go look for yourselves, don’t just go off with what I’ve said, but there’s some context for you guys.

[@drewlumpkin1211]

One thing that got me very angry, was in his Instagram live when he was yelling at tati. In the chat people were saying oh. We love you Shane! You did nothing wrong! I’m guessing these are probably children who have been manipulated to think that it’s okay because their lord and savior Shane Dawson did it.

[@tiffanylara6016]

I don’t really understand why everyone thought he was such a great documentary film maker I did not think his stuff was every any good he left a lot of open ended stuff and the way it was edited was bad as well. I think u-tube if it’s as bad as everyone says it is should take his content off of u-tube and band him forever. I have never watched his stuff other than the documentary’s and I thought they where bad .

[@vi0let781]

I tried to watch it omg soooo boring 30 minutes of content stretched to 7282716 hours

[@kimmyball4961]

I believe most of his followers are children!! So that makes sense!

[@nadav_]

The "I want to help people" argument he made just doesn't make sense to me. Jeffree Star doesn't need your help. He's literally one of the biggest names on this platform. Besides, don't tell me you've changed when you've collaborated with literally every white racist privileged youtuber...

[@TehMomo_]

jeffree can afford help...at this point he just doesn't want it and you can't help someone that doesn't want to change

[@cyntheknitter9927]

My huge problem with him is that he kept his offensive content up until he was called out for it

[@Crayistaken]

First I seeing u and I like u

[@smushles19]

The thing from this whole situation that seems to be missing is - where are all of Shanes long-time viewers who actually saw this stuff when it came out? Are they ashamed that they weren't offended at the time? Why have we not heard from a single person who watched the content back then?

[@camilleviolet4411]

@@_SunscreenQueen_ exactly, when you're young you don't necessarily get why those things are so wrong or really know how to take them. i was never a big fan but the true nature of his content didn't really register with me. in a way that makes what he did so much worse, because it normalises those things to young people who then think it's okay to act that way or believe those stereotypes about different races etc.

[@katienystedt8663]

Brittany Holder me too, looking back now I’m honestly shocked I even watched it. I do not remember it being like that but I was also in middle school and pretty sure 80% of those “jokes” just flew right over my head

[@ksusksus]

I really would love to hear other long-time viewers of Shane on why they supported him in the past. I've been mulling over this exact question in my head ever since these recent videos of him resurfaced because I was a fan of him 2008 - 2010. I was 12-14 at the time and I loved his comedy sketches but at a certain point I realized that I started to get annoyed by his content. For a long time I continued to watch his daily vlogs because it was sort of an addiction. He really grew on me so it was difficult to cut him off so abruptly, however around the time when he made videos with shanna Malcom, Lauren schnipper and others I felt that his 'jokes' were too much for me: they were obnoxious, disgusting, over-the-top, extremely repetitive and therefore predictable. I was not part of any marginalized group so the 'jokes', which were targeted against these people, did not truly offend me and that is why I didn't see them as hurtful towardsl me as an individual. Of course, now I understand how problematic his content was. On my part, I saw a huge decline in quality of his videos comedy-wise. Basically I saw how unintelligent he was. Either it was of bad quality or I simply grew out of it or both. This is how I can explain why I supported him at the time, and stopped supporting him back then. It baffles me how he rose to the top despite his horrible content. and it has always frustrated me that he rarely got any criticism since he had this fake 'nice guy' persona.

[@rebelyell50]

I watched a few back then and found it distasteful and stopped watching him till he did these docuseries and chopped it to he was young and was trying to shock people like comedians will do and didn't realize he still had those videos and now I think his greed is despicable

[@lizisasleep]

Yes. And as much of his fanbase was children, I do remember him being promoted by other adult youtubers in his early days. KZbin was different then, but a lot of those people are still online making content of one kind or another.

[@dianar9446]

“Why is all this stuff just coming out now🙄?” Because it is NO LONGER acceptable to be passive about racism. It is not enough to “not be racist”, we have to be anti-racist. Many POC have BEEN telling you guys that Shane’s content was inappropriate, it is just now that many of y’all are choosing to pay attention to it. Listen to POC.

[@belkispadilla3951]

This!!!!

[@Finesse-q7u]

🗣🗣🗣

[@maevocado1246]

We should have been doing this all along. Don't say "Now it's not okay to-", time period DOES NOT JUSTIFY ACTIONS!!!!!!!!!

[@daniellewalker256]

Exactly.

[@daniellewalker256]

It is no longer socially acceptable and that’s why people just now started to care. Everyone knew it was wrong before, they just ignored it.

[@splorgan5696]

I feel like he's gonna disappear for a while, put out another apology when everyone forgets, then make a documentary about his childhood or his past

[@blueyes6474]

I came to say the same thing, that’s exactly what’s going to end up happening

[@sudanispeaks]

Personally I don’t see him making a full comeback from this and it’s very deserved. I wouldn’t wanna see him thrive again on this platform after all the disgusting things he’s said and done he should leave for good.

[@steverogersstark]

I really hope you’re right!

[@19Katerina11]

I so agree with you. But unfortunately it seems like no matter how horrible, these people recover... their hard core fans will stay forever blind

[@Laura-in1xg]

I really agree with you on this but like the last 20 scandals he had, he still manages to come back and people forget him:/ I think his channels apparently are demonetized at least

[@peng7771]

nah some other drama will come up and everyone will forget. he'll be fine after a while, unfortunately. just like how Jeffree Star is fine.

[@chantalsmells]

frnk I’m baffled by how Jeffree always seems to get out without a scratch...is it because his fans expect nothing less and they are okay with him being the way he is...it’s so crazy

[@sadeasinadu1335]

"You can't build your empire on dead bodies and then be upset when you end up in jail." bars.

[@yani6913]

20:17 - No. KZbin wasn't as big as it is now - but KZbin was not this tiny thing. People were making money and careers off KZbin back in the day as well, OG KZbin is how MakeupGeek's Marlena was able to start her business. NOWHERE NEAR what it is now, but Shane was able to improve his life significantly via the fanbase/money he had which was primarily young kids and teenagers. That's who followed him - kids. He made "shock comedy", people still make shock comedy on YT today, the goal then and now is to be as offensive as humanly possible and kids - who don't have the maturity, historical or cultural context to know just how wrong these jokes were laughed along or were uncomfortable and were bullied into silence if they questioned it.

[@akbflo]

Shane: I’m an empath and I have anxiety, so please forgive me for being friends with J* and TP. Me: I’m an empath and I have anxiety, and that actually gives me more empathy for people that I don’t know, and is the exact reason that I’m not friends with people who act like J* and TP.

[@joelle4226]

Being an empath for me makes me want to stay away from such negative people. I will just absorb all that negativity and feel bad.

[@kaigaku4ever]

VanessaLou Conti Duuuude honestly, I had a friendship with someone like Shane for like 7 months and I had to YEET him out of my life

[@thegirlwiththatface]

This 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️

[@jessicaharrison4719]

Same here.

[@couplescounseling6256]

saaaaaame! how can he stand to be around all that if it were true? it's icky and makes me feel gross just watching it from behind a screen

[@SomechicknameAshley]

"why in the **** are you still friends with Jeffrey Star?!". That part! Thank you Hannah! Like, if he's changed sooo much, how can he still be friends with everyone who embodies everything that he changed from being?

[@chantalsmells]

When they say “I’ve already apologized for this” it’s true BUT they only apologized for specific things that resurfaced in that moment and have been pointed out by other people otherwise they wouldn’t say anything. It’s better to apologize for EVERYTHING, show every problematic thing you have done, why it was wrong and own up to it. Also when people say “stop being sensitive, it was a joke, it was a long time ago”, as someone who has experienced racism and has been the joke of every friend group I’ve had just for the color of my skin, seeing these people say these offensive things as “jokes” gets tiring and annoying and they are also influencing their younger fans to thinks it’s ok to say as a joke. I’ve distanced myself from many friends who see it as harmless to make “jokes” about me for being black. It’s a problem, Shane doesn’t have to be “cancelled”, just held accountable. Please don’t accept the apologies if it’s not meant for you.

[@andyrod112]

I've watched Shane since i was about 11, and I think that's exactly why a lot of people never checked him on anything. Most of us frankly grew up watching him, his "jokes" were normalized for us, a majority of us, so no one saw it as a problem.

[@RealSigmaQueen]

When you described Shane as a shady guy, stirring the pot behind the scenes..... an image of him as Rumplestiltskin on Shrek came to mind. Dreamworks called it 10 years ago.

[@shannon5840]

I was watching youtube when shane was first starting out in like 2007-2009 - I was a preteen at the time. I remember thinking his humour was "gross" (about as nuanced a take as 12-yr-old me could have) and I specifically remember it made me very very uncomfortable so I didn't watch his channel regularly. I remember on his videos there were a lot of comments in support of him, but also a lot of comments saying his humour was offensive. So it wasn't "just how jokes were at the time". As an adult, I never revisited his content but any time people would talk about how great he is I'd remember how uncomfortable his content made me when I was a kid and how over the top explicit it was, and I couldn't really remember specifics of stuff he said but whenever he'd receive praise it would always make me uneasy. I'm honestly surprised I didn't remember how offensive his content actually was - I think I just always clicked out of his videos so fast.

[@katropolis9055]

I've always thought he was a pervert. It didn't click at the time because Tana's always looked older than she is, but they did a video when she was still 17 and he was all in her face and begging her to spit in his mouth... I'm 17 now and I'm honestly disgusted. He also encouraged her to pee on him and was clearly satisfied by it. Just... gross.

[@arialydia8095]

Even if he claims to be woke, even if he has actually changed, he is still friends with Jeffree Star, who is publicly racist etc. He can't be anti-racist if he's friends with a racist (even without this I'd argue he's not anti-racist). I don't fully support Tati but him calling her manipulative in that live was so bs, his documentary/commercial for his palette was him saying he was poor, and saying he'd been screwed over by merch companies etc etc, to make his young fans feel by buying the palette, they were helping a struggling guy

[@jacqibonner8407]

Ariadne Lydia I always found that so weird. You’re claiming you’re struggling while riding a golf cart to your private gym to your personal trainer...how can you even pretend you’re financially struggling at that point?

[@giulianaherrera7775]

Hannah you’re such a badass! Straight up asking why he’s still friends with these problematic people and giving them a platform knowing he’s gonna watch this 🙌🏽

[@tattianaconquest7414]

My favorite part of the video.

[@mirven1000]

“Why are you still friends with j*” yaaaas million dollar question, that will show his integrity moving forward. How can he be friends with all of those terrible people that have repeatedly shown they aren’t good people. It’s a shame. I get he feels bad for them but at this point he is enabling them be act like that which in a way is him endorsing their behavior.