Death By Nicktoon: A Network Retrospective

[@kingbash6466]

You know, as screwed up as it is that Nicktoons is pretty much the graveyard for cancelled shows, if it weren't for that channel, I would have never seen some of the more neglected cartoon I hold close to me to this very day. It's pretty much a double-edged sword for people who are interested in lost media.

[@YanoLBP]

Prob same for for Disney XD

[@buster3041]

I haven't had any bugs or glitches with my copy.

[@DoodleThis]

Omg same, I felt the same way about ToonDisney. If it weren’t for that channel, I would’ve never gotten to see Darkwing Duck, Chip n Dale, and even Pepper Ann

[@nellewoodruff6337]

For real. Anime too.. I love dragon ball and yugioh to this day, but had never heard of them till nicktoons started showing them even though they were on other networks as well

[@SunshineTheLover]

@@DoodleThis dave the barbarian and brandy and mr whiskers too

[@inks-project-archive]

Here's a pretty awful additional fact about Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle's cancellation: The show WAS greenlit for 2 full seasons, but halfway through season 2 Nickelodeon abruptly cut it off. Then they gave the crew *6 weeks* to write the final *4 episodes* of season 2. According to the creators, they are usually given *12 weeks* to write *1 episode.* They were basically given a quarter of the time they needed for the finale, not even factoring in that they had to shorten everything up considerably to make up for all that time they lost with the latter half of season 2 being cut. Apparently the writers were basically pumping out scripts daily throughout those 6 weeks just to get the story in a decent shape. The fact that the finale came out as coherently as it did is a miracle.

[@iidaemii]

Another thing I wanna mention about Rise is that the movie that came out a little while ago, had the fans hoping and begging for the crew behind the show to make more if the movie got popular enough. Trust me, I've seen the fans posting on Twitter telling others to watch the movie and rate it so that the crew will notice the popularity of the show. People WANTS this to be popular, but it looks like it might get the short end of the stick.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@iidaemii Yeah. It does suck that Rise has gotten the shortest end of the stick. No wonder Rise fans have axes for days to grind

[@mariodelrio2387]

So nickalodeon was being a company but they werent being good. I hate strict deadlines sometiems. They can be good but not always

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@mariodelrio2387 Yep. And the show was barely marketed. As much as I know, there was a change in executives and they just wanted to get Rise out of the door ASAP.

[@dimsumboy22]

The faster it ended the better

[@colinm4055]

Nick treated C.H. Greenblatt, an animation veteran, poorly, but put Dan Schneider on a pedestal and gave him countless shows. It just shows Nickelodeon for you.

[@matthewhunter1193]

YIKES!

[@jackdaone6469]

Dan “Show Your Feet or Be On the Street” Schneider.

[@CoolerMike]

My headcannon for why Dan worked at Nick is because one of it's older logos was a foot. Also Nick doesn't really care what's going behind the scenes (most of the time) as long as they make money, but if you're a dollar off the paycheck then good bye in most cases for shows

[@CoolerMike]

@@justanormalguy563 I was making a dumb joke over him having a love for feet. That's why I said that

[@Tusskie]

Dan "I'm more of a foot than an ass man" Schneider

[@JoppingBen10Fan]

I think had Making Fiends had the opportunity to get more episodes, it could've gotten a bigger fanbase

[@aperson4287]

Judging by his summary, it seems like one of those shows like Zim or My Life As A Teenage Robot that could attract an older audience than most nicktoons. it had a lot of potential.

[@SofiaPreCure]

I wish Making Fiends was a show

[@Kittenfox_55]

It makes me wonder if it's cancellation had something to do with that "Girls don't watch as much cartoons as boys" excuse they gave for turning down the modifyers.

[@ratking9577]

@Hypothermic Dysrhythmia The worst part is that before the show it was a web series and we could have gotten more Making Fiends stuff after its cancellation but Nickelodeon ended up with the rights to the characters and the creator of Making Fiends couldn’t make any more

[@kootunesscrewy]

The good news is that the series actually stayed on Nicktoons longer than Random! (which that one only survived on the network from 2008 until somewhere in 2014, while Fiends stayed up until 2017). Heck, it even aired on NickSplat in a few occasions. Also, I understand the show had 6 episodes. Since the show would fit well during Halloween. Would've been better if Nickelodeon just aired it more during that season (and funny enough, they actually did air Making Fiends twice.)

[@shirouamakusa5935]

Funnily enough, the graveyard channels like Disney XD and Nicktoons were part of the regular channel pack, but you had to pay extra for Disney Channel and Nickelodeon. So I ended up watching shows from those channels the most

[@JustEpic_Yt]

Same that basically where I saw all the animated shows since the main channels were basically just SpongeBob and live action

[@SunshineTheLover]

i had all these channels and actively chose xd and nicktoons over their counterparts

[@Murr248]

The fact that the only recent praise comes from a game they didn’t make (Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl) speaks for itself. And even then, they basically rushed the devs making that game, causing the hype for it to die down and for them to lose potential fans. This isn’t the first time either, the Battle For Bikini Bottom remake was also rushed by Nick and had a ton of bugs and glitches that made it worse than the original. Also they started making NFT’s

[@KyogresHideout_Vegito2121]

I bought the Switch version of the BFBB remake and in the middle of playing it suddenly had an error that basically said the save was corrupted forcing me to start from scratch and at that point despite enjoying the game until then I basically just gave up, uninstalled the game, and then got the pc version instead and to this day it has stayed deleted from my Switch with only the icon on the home screen as a reminder.

[@Murr248]

I want to better elaborate without making my original comment thread a paragraph. Nick All Star Brawl was not created by Nick. Nick had to approach Ludiosity: A small indie team notable for making a Smash Bros-like game known as Slap City. Whilst Ludosity was happy to work on the game, Nick basically rushed them by giving them only a year and half to make the game. The game started development in early 2020 and released late 2021. The game received a lot of praise at first, not just due to easy meme potiential, but because the game featured rollback (Which basically removes input delay) While Smash Ultimate was known for having mediocre online. Then the game launched… Better online is all All Star Brawl has going for it. The game released with no voice acting from it’s characters, the roster felt heavily incomplete, there was only one unique side mode, no alternate costumes for characters, and no items. The animations also look mindlessly rough and stiff. In spite of all the massive glaring flaws, the game is 50.00$ regularly. The game is nearly asking full priced when it’s incredibly mediocre. They would release voice acting later on, but by that time, people really didn’t care about the game. The game died in a week after launch, and it was mainly due to Nick rushing the devs and jacking up the price. Doesn’t help that now we have Multiversus, another Indie Smash Bros game that has everything Nick All Stars didn’t and it’s free. In other words, you may as well just get Multiversus. Or if you only have a Switch, Smash Ultimate. Because while Smash is 60$ you’re absolutely getting your money’s worth as both the game and it’s DLC passes are jack packed with content. My main takeaway from all this is that Nick was way to damn greedy. They didn’t care about a quality fighting game, they saw Smash Bros. Ultimate was popular amongst kids, and knew they would beg their parents for the game because Spongebob was on the boxart.

[@tjh6678]

To add to this, when Nick was involved in NASB's development, it was only for mind-numbingly stupid, restrictive mandates like characters not being aloud to have simple color swap alts or have original dialouge/basic interactions for the arcade mode that aren't just shoehorned quotes from the shows. These same mandates also became hypocritical (in addition to stupid & restrictive), because a while later, a mobile Nick tennis game for Apple Arcade dropped & had polished graphics, a ton of fancy new outfits for characters, plus voice acting/new lines for the roster. It's like they were deliberately trying to sabotage the damn game... I say this as someone who bought the game at full price when it first dropped. It especially sucks because at the time, I was anticipating the game in the months leading up to it, laughing at the memes that spawned & it even gave me something to look forward to after I lost my dad to Covid. A Smash-style Nickelodeon fighter is such a genuinely banger concept, so to see it drop with below bare-minimum content & lose any momentum it had with the mainstream is just sad.

[@luigiboi4244]

I swear at this rate I’m gonna have to swear off TV with this amount of controversy.

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

@@KyogresHideout_Vegito2121 Was that years ago or with the latest version?

[@Saggynaggy21534]

After talking with Mighty B! creator Eirk Wiese, he told me that the reason why his show and many others were canceled was because while working on the first season, one of Nick’s offices had a major restructure and not only did the new execs laid off much of the show’s staff including EP’s who helped bring shows like SpongeBob and FOP to life, but they also cut its advertising. Which led to the second season having their last bunch of episodes being broadcast *one year after they were finished* and moved around to different time slots. In other words, The Mighty B! was canceled because of a cooperate restructure.

[@SubjectJuice]

This video was definitely worth the wait, cable TV as a whole has always been on a sudden down fall but nick and Cartoon Network as a whole has gotten the worst when it comes to basically anything , in terms of show time slots, new show treatment in general or just behind the scenes workers , it’s truly a shame how bad these networks derail their own name by making such nonsensical choices and deductions effecting everyone working with it in the process

[@majesticmo5048]

Imo cartoon network is ok. I think Disney is the best out of the three but nickelodeon is hopeless. In the last decade, the only cartoons that were really good, were TMNT 2012, rise of the tmnt and Harvey beaks. Everything else either suffered seasonal rot or was complete shit.

[@rosey.quartz7959]

@@majesticmo5048 well.. CN hasn't really put out anything "amazing" in the recent years (besides infinity train, which got dropped from hbo.), but the Nick thing. Now that, I totally agree with. It's a shame.. in the most recent show you mentioned came out in 2018, and ended in 2020. (excluding the movie from this year) since then only shows like the patrick star show have came out and we all know how THAT ended (EDIT: I forgot about shows like craig of the creek. ok k.o, and many more! a much better way I should've put it, is how CN currently focusing more on shows aimed towards younger audiences. ex. we baby bears. cartoonito shows. etc.)

[@allendepacheco3419]

@@rosey.quartz7959 I personally disagree with CN not having groundbreaking shows, at least with shows being made post 2015. OK KO and Mao Mao were great shows with good action, witty humor, and a build up to potential arcs. But CN on the business side poorly mishandled those shows that most people would not heard of due to the little marketing they got. Craig of the Creek is there current cash cow as it is in the same league as Gumball and TTG in terms of having a proper air time rather than being pushed off to die from obscurity. Good for that show being popular because it's a genuinely good show that bring in elements from Ed Edd n Eddy and KND while still having it's own identity. Villainous has this pretty interesting concept of following villains defeating superheroes, and it's the first ever Hispanic CN original not from the US or Europe. Unfortunately, Warner Bros never thought of dubbing their own Hispanic show despite not having to buya right to air it opposed to anime and that Villainous is a popular show in Latin America. Tig n Seek was the most cleverly written cartoon in recent years, but HBO Max never marketed it and the Execs made season 1 extremely bland that newcomers would lose interest to see season 2 where the showrunner had a lot more freedom. Like at least find season 3 and 4 where their freedom was at 100% oppose to 2 with 75% freedom and 1 have 25% freedom There's other shows that could've been big, but Warner or CN Execs never supported them until it was too late. Really that's the actual problem, mismanagement. CN as a studio and from the creative teams can pump out brand new classics, but so many of them are being shafted left and right by the business side. A lot of shows could last longer if CN gives out a bit more promotion and better scheduling. I feel worried about future creators since Zaslav will add a lot of limitations within the animation studios.

[@majesticmo5048]

@@rosey.quartz7959 they've had ok ko, Mao mao and a few others. Also I can certainly say that cartoon network has put out much better shows within the last decade

[@Power11112]

@@allendepacheco3419 Cn has had a rough 2020s

[@theminutemen8817]

"Cable TV is dying, we should all know this" Is such a menacing sentence. I mean, a concept that has been around for nearly a CENTURY so easily taken over is...terrifying, actually.

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

In Latin American cable, we have something similar to the 2000s Nicktoons/Boomerang model, no ads, only bumpers and old shows. It's called Tooncast, and it's been playing Hanna Barbera and pre-2010s CN since 2015 lol

[@Klonoahedgehog]

That's still going? I loved that channel when i went on Vacation back in the mid 2010's, they had some pretty based choices for shows to air.

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

Yup, still going

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

Lemme get your cable company

[@carlosemilio5180]

Old DCAU shows: the channel (In my experience)

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

Wait I think I know that channel when I scrolled looking for channels at my grandparents house I remember seeing some DC shows on it like that teen Titans movie where they go to England or were fighting an England villain that had crunchy and loud audio for no reason lol

[@eatatjoes6751]

This video was definitely worth it...also, what makes Making Fiends' fate even worse is that an executive's kid LOVED the shorts enough to pick up the show and then it got shanked by another executive. Like, *way to shoot your network in the foot, guys! Clearly a kid, your target audience, loved the show, and then you shanked it!*

[@vaccuumhelmet521]

A shame it’s pretty much forgotten now, a great show with soooo much potential, heck imagine if adult swim or Netflix picked it up by chance?

[@ExtremeWreck]

I bet you that kid is probably grown up now & wants to cut all ties with Viacom completely.

[@durandlewis1382]

Being a Nickelodeon fan is complete and udder pain. I've watched almost all of these Nicktoons at least once. And to see ALL of these get the boot is just so depressing. T.U.F.F Puppy & Harvey Beaks were my favorites.

[@ruskah0307]

moo

[@carcinoVantas]

moo

[@ccego449]

Is that a fucking Barnyard reference?

[@Rockman9830]

moo

[@Jenny_Metzelar]

My favorites are welcome to the Wayne and tuff puppy

[@jaysosilly]

oh my god, when i was little i was a huge fan of amy's webtoon website. i found it from her muffin films. and i LOVED making fiends. when i found out it was going to be airing on nick i was so hype! but as it faded into obscurity i forgot all about it. it's so good and i'm so sad to hear the way nick treated amy over this. if amy can ever retrieve the rights (and if they want to) i wish they would. that series deserves a chance.

[@Splater765]

As one of the few whose parents actually paid for the add-on channels, thus having access to all of these cartoons, it’s incredibly sad to see them go out this way.

[@BinglesP]

Right? I grew up with some of these as well as Boomerang

[@naomii_star]

I never grew up with Nick I grey up with Cartoon Network

[@daveintheAM]

Yeah, i was so happy having Nicktoons and Boomerang for a ton of my youth Boomerang really helped me watch a TON of old cartoons

[@Harrymation-productions]

I’ll never forget nicktoons, that was how I found avatar: the last air bender, invader zim, and the 2003 teenage mutant ninja turtles

[@maccamachine]

it was the place i saw avatar the first time also luckily enough it was the first episode and after that i had to see more

[@chrisrockett5897]

That's actually where I first actually watched Turtles '03. Like, I knew it was airing on Fox Box or 4Kids or some shit but I wasn't old enough to watch shows in that time.

[@onepresence9460]

Nicktoons were legendary 👌

[@AZAtro2648]

Don't forget Dragon Ball Z Kai.

[@kinola3206]

I remember seeing more things on Nicktoons, like Kaput and Zosky, Corneil and Bernie, and even animated shorts; they even had their own "film festival".

[@CactiCorner]

I remember watching Making Fiends when I was very young and I was half convinced I had made it up or dreamed it. I actually found it again through a clip of background footage in one of your videos and rewatched the series, it's now one of my favorites. I wish the show hadn't been treated so poorly, there could have been so much more, I feel really bad for the creator.

[@timothyowen4785]

I was wondering if this was going to be a feature-film-length video on Nickelodeon's treatment of cartoons, but I suppose the decline of cable TV as a whole is a more fitting subject for such length. Excellent work as always, Braxton 😁

[@castform7]

After finally putting my Netflix account to use and recently giving Rise of the TMNT a chance, I can say I absolutely love it, I'm not a big Turtles guy, the most I consumed before Rise was keeping up with and enjoying 2 and a half seasons of 2012 but slowly losing track of the episodes and falling off watching. Even with that I did enjoy Rise a lot. Even before the Netflix binge when I caught episodes on Nick proper, I thought it was entertaining. The lovable characters, the fun action, the animation, the artstyle and backgrounds, the animation, the laid back tone with a mix of light serialization, the generally good comedy, *the animation sweet holy molly macoroni the animation.* There's at least one scene per episode I have to play back cause of the animation. This series definitely deserved at least a full season 2 and I feel genuinely bad for not realizing it till it was too late. I'm still not fully through season 1 but if the quality keeps on the consistent rise it currently has I know I won't be disappointed.

[@TheUberBadnik]

Oh my God, Wild Grinders is a show I legitimately supressed. When I heard that iconic "WildGrindeeeeeers," I was like a Sleeper Agent, memories rushing into my mind all at once of a life long gone, long forgotten Ngl, that legit scared me

[@dubioustheatreyt8096]

I had a similar but more surreal experience. Back when the NutShack meme took off, I was sent into this “I know this but its all wrong!” scenario. It wasn’t until I asked some friends which episodes included skateboarding that they redirected me to WildGrinders lol

[@oj397]

Same

[@WeegeeSlayer123]

I actually first watched Invader Zim as a kid on Nicktoons Network. The show was already heading for the gallows by the time I first witnessed it.

[@1WEareBUFO1]

Oh, mama I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the Law. Hangman is comin down from the gallows and I don't have very long. Quickly, Gir rrriide the Pig!

[@Kemdizzle.]

I know it was only 1 or 2 episodes that got the treatment but CatDog was actually the first show this happened to. There’s actually a really interesting story behind the show about how Nick picked it up at the same time as SpongeBob but they wanted CatDog to be their big hit so they had a huge marketing campaign and episode order for it. Show was decently popular but not the juggernaut they expected so by season 4 they stopped giving a shit and straight up didn’t even air some episodes in America

[@Boppercat]

I remember CatDog I must’ve loved them a lot since now that I look a have a pin of them on my board I can’t believe I forgot for a few years Thanks for taking me a walk down memory lane, even if only though a mention of CatDog Have a nice day! :D

[@faultyvideos2215]

Your Making Fiends segment made me laugh as hard as Making Fiends itself. Seriously Making Fiends was so good, it surprised me with how well it has held up when I randomly remembered its existence and rewatched it a while back. That show was done so fucking dirty.

[@adrielleakuryo]

This is why I do not want to pitch my cartoons to a network. I feel bad for all of these cartoons and the crew who had put their heart and soul only to get canned later. Don't get me started with Nick's recent Dan Schneider controversy.

[@askerleaves1614]

I would say make a web series but even then there will be some problems: *cough cough Bravest Warriors, cough cough the summoning*

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

@@askerleaves1614 You could still pitch to a network. Just do whatever the creator for Ed, Edd, and Eddy did. Apparently he made a deal that allowed him to retain all rights to the show. They wouldn’t even be able to reboot it with his permission. Gonna assume he has S tier negotiating skills, because I ‘ve never heard of such a deal for other cartoon creators.

[@lxstfulgrxvestone69420]

@@askerleaves1614 i need this tea what happened

[@askerleaves1614]

@@lxstfulgrxvestone69420 Bravest warriors: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaatl6p5gL-Kp7c The Summoning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5DddaCVipKEsJI

[@liannabunny7775]

What did Dan Schnider do now?

[@barelyhere7200]

Welcome to the Wayne is such an underappreciated gem that I never hear anyone talk about. I really hate how everyone constantly compares it to gravity falls and yes there are some similarities but honestly not that much. They had a great mystery aspect, story and characters and it really sucks how it was a royally screwed over by Nick. The show isn’t perfect like for example it feels like there’s a quota that there has to be at least one butt or fart joke every episode which is really weird because the show is usually pretty funny other than those jokes and also I have some problems with season 2 (overall it’s still a good season there are just some problems I have with it) but as a whole the show is still really good and it should’ve been treated better. It was treated so badly to the point where barely anyone remembers it

[@topcat59]

Making fiends was my favorite show to watch on that network when I was a kid and hearing how they treated the creator of the series pissed me off so hard, like they only allowed her to have six episodes and they didn’t even give her the rights to the show.😑🐱

[@Darian610]

How to fix Nicktoons: 1. Make it free with the base cable package. 2. No live-action shows. 3. A show can't go to Nicktoons until it has ended. 4. Make it a safe haven for all the cancelled cartoons (with 2 hours of Spongebob in between).

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

I really missed Nick's old splat logo so much because it gives the channel some identity and personality, especially when it comes to slime. The cancellations of Nickelodeon shows, good or bad, that is not as popular as Spongebob feels like a red flag to future animated projects. Loud House is the only show that got off easy from being cancelled.

[@juliancaraveo5700]

Still surprised they didn't cancel the fourth season because of Chris Savino's actions.

[@askerleaves1614]

Its nick, what do you expect?

[@BBWahoo]

Funny how Nicks most recent smash hit comes from a fucking sex pest, shows the type of culture they harbor in their side of the Industry

[@twinzzlers]

​@@juliancaraveo5700 What happened?

[@Deadhead-kq4hr]

And 3d TMNT which had a proper ending to it and only show that had unique animation style

[@purplehaze2358]

I wouldn’t really call paid channels “graveyard channels”. I think “the gallows” is probably a more accurate pseudonym.

[@settingsun5582]

Dr.Bright is not allowed to comment on videos by the KZbin content creator "Just Stop"

[@Datducc]

I think graveyard channels makes sense

[@argo9721]

They're definitely graveyards especially now

[@Datducc]

@@argo9721 exactly

[@ntfoperative9432]

Damnit bright, now I've got to get the Amnestics out again

[@alienboyz1421]

The single funny joke from TUFF Puppy I remember all these years later was the rat dude and his villain friends getting his frozen yogurt cheaper by putting all the toppings on the bottom

[@redwaytoo]

NFL Rush Zone kinda reminds me of this one Jetix show, Galactik Football, which had a blend of 3d animation for sport parts and 2d animation for everything else. From what I remember it was way better written than Rush Zone tho, but I do wonder if there are any of the same people, because the premise is VERY similar

[@thesnesgeek]

That was a cool series, when the power that could only be legally used was used outside of a game which was illegal.

[@purplehaze2358]

I think the example of television channels dropping good series because they think they won’t be successful which irks me the most wasn’t even related to animation. There’s this show I really used to dig on the SyFy channel called _Channel Zero: Candle Cove._ Despite its pretty positive reception and decent ratings, SyFy dropped it in favor of the garbage, low-budget, bad CGI monster movies they’re now infamous for.

[@abhrntcrtre]

i remember hearing channel zero was really good i was really excited to hopefully see a anthology series tackle internet classics of horror sad to see it got treated that way

[@munromister777]

Channel Zero did get picked up by Shudder, a really great streaming service that celebrates horror of all kinds, so there's hope for it.

[@1WEareBUFO1]

Candle Cove felt too real. The things a child would see in the night.

[@geekgo4]

And throughout all of this, only 2 Nicktoons survived. Well, one now. In feels like Viacom treats Nick Jr. with better respect than mainline Nickelodeon nowadays.

[@sarahhiversoeur3759]

There were so many good shows on NickToons but they kept using the low rating = bad show logic and it made most of us very sad because they were fun and not even close to being stupid they made our childhoods, as for the bad shows that got canceled all I can say is thank god.

[@Ze_N00B]

Something you forgot to mention is the hilarious fact that Sheldon's voice actor also voices Raiden from MGR. In effect, the guy who want's to bang a robot became the guy who's mostly robot that people wanna bang.

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

Nickelodeon treats literally any show that isn't Spongebob really badly. I love old Spongebob but look at how they treated Rise of the TMNT! Spongebob has truly corrupted Nickelodeon in a way

[@pizzapower3166]

Honestly, Nick says they love and support TMNT but they announced and released Rise right as 2012 was about to end and then canceled this show after two seasons while 2012 has five seasons. Nick didn't two flying shits for TMNT. They only do for the sponge.

[@motherplayer]

@@pizzapower3166 Indeed. Knowing that, still amazes me 2012 actually got the ability to have a relatively unscathed run as opposed to Rise. I would have figured at the bare minimum, the merchandising rights would have been worth keeping the show going, but even that didn't save it. Can't believe.

[@pizzapower3166]

@@motherplayer 2012 is the third highest grossing Nick show so, yeah... I wish Rise got the same amount of marketing because that show is a strangely less gruesome and morbid as 2012 which should've worked better with general audiences. Nick is weird, man.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@pizzapower3166 yeah, it’s weird both more and less gross. Probably because the 2d animation makes everything a little more digestible. People really hated on Rise a lot by lumping it in with the likes of Ttg. I only got into it last year after the wife of one of my favourite analysts made her review of the series, praising it to high heaven for the animation, the comedy, the heart and the willingness to do new ideas… but she did warn the viewers that the show does take the power of family theme and apply it to make one of the more awful villain redemptions of the 2010’s that wasn’t helped by the series being cut in half.

[@pizzapower3166]

@@christopherbennett5858 No, this has nothing to do with the art style. 3D and 2D both have their advantages and disadvantages but, 2012 TMNT was directed by Ciro Neili. He's know having the most gruesome, f'd up, Lovecraftian things in his work. One example is another series he worked in called Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go!(Yeah, I know it has a ridiculously long name). The stuff in that show was utter and complete insanity.😳

[@Romalac]

Oh god, hearing that "Making Fiends" intro stabbed a white-hot needle straight into my core.

[@ContinuedBear]

(CHAPTERS) Don't know if anyone's done it yet, but here are the chapters of the video: 0:00 - Introduction 5:16 - Speed Racer: The Next Generation 15:35 - Making Fiends 20:24 - NFL Rush Zone 27:56 - Wild Grinders 34:22 - Invader Zim 43:22 - Mr. Meaty 47:35 - My Life as a Teenage Robot 56:37 - Planet Sheen 1:04:00 - T.U.F.F. Puppy 1:09:14 - Breadwinners 1:16:06 - Harvey Beaks 1:32:07 - Pig Goat Banana Cricket 1:39:55 - Bunsen is a Beast 1:42:53 - Welcome to The Wayne 1:53:20 - Rise of The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2:01:30 - It's Pony 2:05:50 - Conclusion

[@DoctorDisasterDracula]

That bluntly honest jab at Mr. Enter’s Rise of the TMNT review hit close to home. I remember listening into that retrospective he was doing, which was mostly okay if I recall. But his take on Rise… no, he didn’t review Rise. He reviewed Teen Titans Go, skimmed the first episode Rise, and said it was crap simply because it wasn’t the 2012 TMNT show. Showing that he barely watched the first episode, and decided to be blatantly racist about April being Black.

[@christopherbennett5858]

The Nostalgia critic one didn’t help either. I do agree with him on the turtles being very similar to the Michael bay ones in design. However, the difference is that they actually put more thought into it.

[@JayRedGear]

I hated when he said the people who made the show never heard of or hated the "original". So far, the only TMNT show he has looked at was the 2012 (one of the executives on Rise worked on the 2012 show) and everyone and their mother knows the Mirage Comics are the original TMNT. A lot of things Enter said was so bad and shows his clear lack of research (which wouldn't even take long and he'd look less stupid like calling Mickey's new weapon a Yo-Yo, somehow missing the fact that the turtles weapons besides Donnie's are mystical when it flat-out called them that in the first episode, April being black in one of the earlier comics, and comparing this show to Dino Posse which is absolutely disrespectful to the show and the people who created Rise).

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@JayRedGear exactly. Plus, it’s not like the creators were being secretive about stuff. They literally did tons of behind the scenes videos about the new weapons, the species and everything

[@JayRedGear]

@@christopherbennett5858 that just gives me more respect for the people who put a lot of work into Rise and further puts Enter in a bad light since he was being willfully ignorant about TMNT as a whole.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@JayRedGear eh, it’s like a certain other analyst puts it; the greatest threat to animation is insecurity. Specifically from people who feel like a property has to be a complex, lore heavy adventure fantasy to fan over because that’s the only “acceptable” type of animation for adults. It’s like how grown men and women tried to gatekeep Pixar movies from children.

[@leonardoherrera9059]

I used to have nightmares about Mr meaty trying to eat me and my family alive when I was a kid. This wasn't a short thing either for like 3 years I was absolutely terrified of it and whenever I saw it on schedule I switched it a hour or 2 before it started so I didn't have to see the ads. Nightmare fuel.

[@sarajerde8280]

I'm not seeing many comments addressing Mr Meaty. Which I think should have been highlighted more because I still remember how terrifying that show was. But I get the sense that all the strong reactions to the show are due to being within a VERY specific age range when it first aired. The range i've narrowed it down to seems to be around ages 4-7 for peak traumatization. You get too much older than that, they consider it disturbing, but not terrifying. Too much younger, say someone born in 2004, they see it at an older age where again, not nearly as traumatizing. It's quite fascinating to be honest.

[@dejus_e]

WHAT

[@dejmira]

Regarding the Rise of TMNT, Nickelodeon said to the creators that currently the show is on the "pause" and it might come back if the movie will do good

[@AniToonimationKawaii]

All I can say is this. Sanjay & Craig got real lucky to air it's entire run on the main network.

[@deontenetter9696]

Hey, lovely video! The massive quality drop from circa 90s-2000's Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon was anything short of shocking. This video reminds me of the old block called 'Ka-Blam!' on NickToons, with many mini series, but the one that stuck out to me and still funny to this day is 'Prometheus and Bob'. Give the series a shot.

[@fritzy8318]

Lol no. Action League Now! And Life With Loopy deserve a shot.

[@raviolirach]

Prometheus and Bob used to creep me out because it used to show during the night lol I still love it though lmao. Action league too !

[@moonwalker8391]

All of the canceled shows in this video, i remember, exceptspeed racer (alot more than i expected) and i like some more than others, one thing i absolutely didn't like was how some had the chance to be really good but got canceled before we could ever seen their full potential

[@thekittenmillord]

The discrimination allegory in Teenage Robot has always struck me as more relevant to Neurodivergent folk than people of colour tbh.

[@manidavis4126]

I saw it as neither, just as anti-technology.

[@BBWahoo]

I suppose, I know that "robot" and "cyborg" are terms used by self-describes autistics in certain imageboards

[@aperson4287]

I mean it can apply to a lot of types of discrimination, I'm assuming that's just the first thing that came to mind for him.

[@eatatjoes6751]

As a neurodivergent person of color - yeah, I agree.

[@lordarthur2165]

It can also be seen as transgender allegory, I am not a trans woman, but some of the things the show depicted hit close to home. But I think a lot of people from minority groups can see themselves in this show and I think this is awesome!

[@allaninaet2835]

Something to say about Speed Racer Next Generation is that the redheaded bratty girl was voiced by a singer named Michal The Girl who was also the wife (now late-wife) of Dan Green (Yami/Yugi; you can also hear his voice at certain points in this show.) She was an amazing singer but sadly passed away after having twins. As a fan of her music and work in general, I often wonder if her family is doing well because she really did make me happy with this show. Funny thing is I think about her story from time to time while playing Pokémon because of who her husband was/is. I still listen to her song Flashlight (it might still be on YT; IDK) if I wanna feel nostalgic about where I am now as a person.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

At least her twins survived her passing. They were bottle fed by their dad Dan Green, but are tweens now.

[@MXCoriginal]

From what I remember from my animation director in college who worked on the second season, it was a mess because Vasquez fired most of the original team and hired on his own guys, who didnt know much of anything about how to make a cartoon, since their backgrounds were in comics. What they came up with was such a mess that most of it had to be scrapped and Vasquez got booted along with his team. The season 2 we got was significantly delayed and rushed because they were more or less starting over.

[@Rlowe247]

I remember having Nicktoons channel. I probably enjoyed it more than the normal one because it was all cartoons, no live action. Also had that odd Nick2 channel which aired normal nick's schedule 3 hours late, never understood why it was there but found it handy for catching shows.

[@samv.3217]

That was just nickelodeon for viewers in different timezones, eastern/western pacific. My cable called in Nick West.

[@Yellow13200]

Not only was one set to Eastern Time and Pacific if I remember right the HD broadcast of the channel was only on the Eastern Time Network. This was the case for the main Nickelodeon channel on directtv. And again if im remembering right Nicktoons also had this arrangement

[@fluffy-hellhound]

I'd always prefer watching Nicktoons over the main channel. It was like dumpster diving. Sometimes I would find something weird or unique that I couldn't find anywhere else, not even on CN. Plus, I liked their bumpers. It was like diet Adult Swim. It's disappointing to hear Nicktoons was basically Nick salting earth.

[@samv.3217]

I honesty preferred watching some of these on the nicktoons network. It led to some personal fun memories with the network for me, like when my friends and I watched the Harvey Beaks finale or simply tuning in to Pig, Goat, Banana, Cricket for a good laugh. If they were nicktoons originals I would've fine with it, but they weren't. They were booted from the main channel and that was completely unfair.

[@honeylemon237]

The moment I saw Wild Grinders a part in my childhood I completely forgot awakened. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing but damn it was some whiplash.

[@SniffyTugBoat]

funny you mentioned Rob Dyrdek. the opening of this video reminded me of how MTV slowly started to air almost nothing but Ridiculousness reruns as time went on. also I never watched Mr. Meaty, but I loved how the puppets looked. it reminded me of some of the older, more surreal cartoons and shows on Nickelodeon when I was a little kid. like Aaahh!!! Real Monsters and Action League Now! put together. also also thanks for covering My Life as a Teenage Robot. definitely one of my favorites growing up.

[@fodv93]

A few of these shows, mainly Teenage Robot and Harvey Beaks, being canned on Nick can also be due to it not being as instantly successful as Spongebob too. It's a mindset that sadly carries over to this day.

[@YanoLBP]

That mindset has murdered so many nicktoons.

[@fodv93]

@@YanoLBP exactly. Say what you want about CN and Warner/Discovery as a whole, but at least they gave their shows a fighting chance.

[@QuicksilverTheElegant]

I remember I watched Planet Sheen (and Fanboy and Chum-Chum) as a kid and both shows taught me what it felt like to die inside

[@Raf8347]

would love to see a version of this with Disney XD and other channels that fit the same way as Nicktoons

[@JustEpic_Yt]

2:06:42 You’ll see it

[@walkerphillips2818]

And after that it’ll finish with Boomerang from Cartoon Network.

[@ChickVicious237]

Invader Zim was a real pioneer that nailed the edgy "random" thing right before it got annoying and overused. Big fan of Jhonen Vasquez's work in general

[@moonlightEquinox]

It's sad that all of these shows got this treatment but for a lot of kids who were born in the early 2000s, it was a way for us to see what some of the slightly older kids got to watch back when they originally aired. It also kind of got its own fan base BECAUSE it aired on nicktoons, granted it was smaller but still

[@-Desire]

Well this is just depressing. I remember not being all that interested in Harvey Beaks but somehow catching a random episode and loving it! It had a way of drawing you in and man was it ambient. It reeks of Greenblatt and nick (you don't deserve capitalization) dropped the ball on this, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Making Fiends and other great shows.

[@scoutdy6547]

I use to live watching the grave yard channels more then the main channels. This is probably why I love old media more then modern media even video games

[@scoutdy6547]

Also boomer rang just had like the best bumpers

[@walkerphillips2818]

@@scoutdy6547 legendary doesn’t even begin to describe those bumpers.

[@kdjets]

My Life as a Teenage Robot is the greatest piece of art that Nick has ever produced. FIGHT ME

[@sonicroze]

3 days. This took me 3 days to get through. Not because this was uninteresting: far from it. I've just been listening and watching as I do other things. I was not disappointed. I'm actually happy to hear that Rise was better than I anticipated and may just hit it up now. I- I'm skeptical of any reboots/remakes. Especially because the 3D one was so good in its first couple seasons, so y' know... it seemed a little unnecessary. Thanks.

[@ashkitt7719]

I haven't seen Harvey Beaks (was after my time) but the way you describe it sounds kinda like Hey Arnold. It uses actual kids as voice actors, much of the humor is dialogue-based, it can be down-to-earth but also dark and cynical and tackle tough topics, and who knows, maybe Nickelodeon will throw us a bone 25 years from now when the show is considered retro like they did with Hey Arnold in order to try to make us forget about everything else.

[@jeepmega629]

Now I want a Sly Cooper x Tuff Puppy crossover where Carmelita and Kitty team up.

[@Animevazquez]

That’s would be a great idea because if you think about it their both similar

[@bonedude666]

And they both wear diap-

[@jeepmega629]

@@bonedude666 Bro…….

[@samuraiturtle.2637]

I’m pretty sure the two share the same VA

[@jeepmega629]

@@samuraiturtle.2637 Really??

[@nightlydata2181]

Honestly as someone born late '04 I knew of/watched most of these growing up but ONLY through Nicktoons & never nickelodeon. I know It's seen as a death pit but I LOVED N'toons as a kid along with it's competitors. I rarely was ever on the main channel lol. But ye it's sad a lot of these that I & others liked didn't get aa chance beyond the first season or EVEN before that so seemingly arbitrarily & many times without warning. N'toons & all just hold a special place in me & I appreciate them so much regardless of how I felt as a kid & now

[@samv.3217]

It's a shame that Nicktoons has such a reputation like that, but that's all because Cyma Zarghami chose to move those shows to Nicktoons. She basically ruined to networks by doing this.

[@ald7282]

rise making the turtles all different species of turtles was always so cool to me. like, turtles are such amazing diverse creatures, why just make them "green with shell", y'know?

[@princesscrystal6410]

Exactly, the only different turtle in each series is Spike

[@TheLastRaven6]

@@princesscrystal6410 Beacuse in most origins they are LEGIT bothers like they all came from the same nest, thats why they all look so similiar, they arent just bothers in arms they are REAL bothers.

[@AsherUniverse]

@@TheLastRaven6 Well if you watch Rise, they are TECHNICALLY still brothers by blood- they have Splinter's actual DNA infused with their own and that makes them actually related- the guy who mutated them (SPOILERS) wanted to make a mutant army and so used Splinter's DNA as the guy was insanely good at fighting. He did get different turtle species, yes, but in the end the boys turned out to be fully related and 100% view each other as such.

[@RustyRants]

dude i loved wild grinders. grew up skateboarding with my friends. we knew rob dyrdek back when he was still a skater, and had even met him before at our local skate park. so i actually loved the show, and i’ll never not love it

[@0iqgremlin414]

I feel like the best way you can describe Nickelodeon's mentality when it comes to cancelling shows even when it's going good or is hitting it's peak, is called "Spongebob Syndrome". It's when any show from the early 2000s to this year is expected to be as successful as Spongebob is in a short amount of time, whether or not Nickelodeon treated the show fairly with run times or production costs in favor of shoving more Spongebob into more timeslots. Which is why a lot of the shows you reviewed in the video or any show you would see on Nicktoons or Nickelodeon has a weird inconsistent wackiness and general immaturity to it, the underground success of Invader Zim with it's 2000s Rawr XD humor didnt help. The logic is that if the shows had the same wacky random humor as Spongebob did it would succeed, but it ignored why Spongebob and it's characters was so successful, especially the first seasons. Invader Zim and ROTTMNT are clear examples of wacky fun shows that broke away from the Spongebob Syndrome, while they were cancelled far too early they still had major successes with their own films and expansions on their worlds via comics and shorts. A privilege a lot of the better shows listed, such as Making Fiends, didnt have.

[@raynebowmo2223]

Leo being the most popular pet turtle is I feel super relavent with him being the leader. Also the way you describe rise of TMNT makes it sound like literally the best TMNT show so far I love the way that they characterize the boys

[@RainRaifu]

one of my first crushes had an invader zim hoodie that should tell you everything you need to know about how I feel about that show

[@partyrat666]

Seeing wild grinders unlocked a deeply buried memory, my god, I'd remember that fucking dog anywhere

[@snbsixteen6stars201]

I remember watching speedracer the next generation, i honestly really liked the story and i did not mind the rusty low budget look, still its shocking and sad to hear the drama behind this guilty pleasure of a series

[@ultima1033]

Wow...that was an incredibly dark interpretation of Charlotte in Making fiends. Why do I kinda wanna watch that now? Lol Edit: Nice little teaser for the next project at the end there.

[@SunshineTheLover]

you should. comedy gold

[@Gaousensei]

I remember the rat and chameleon villains being okay and even funny in TUFF Puppy and watch it only for them, can't say the same for everyone else.

[@Klonoahedgehog]

The moment the theme song for Speed Racer came on i felt a tingle run up my spine. I wasn't expecting to be reminded of this show in 2022. I always assumed X was short for Rex. Since like, that's how it was in the show this is a sequel too.

[@RockySamson]

This list had far more quality programming than I was expecting, and for that you have my gratitude.

[@wilderac2250]

As someone who was a fan of Harvey Beaks, welcome to the Wayne, and a few of these other shows seen here. It’s always depressing getting reminded of how nick treated these shows. As someone who’s been casually watching nick cartoons from the late 90’s to this day, I grew up loathing the nicktoons network for this absolute reason. Almost to the point where watching a new animated series air on nick would have my automatic thoughts be of when nickelodeon will screw it over and put it on its infamous sister network. Till this very day I still get shocked that The loud house or it’s spin-off show Casagrandes somehow manage to avoid the nicktoons graveyard for as long as it did.(yes i know the latter was recently canceled but it’s currently has 5 episodes left and none them were planned to be on nicktoons as of the time I’m writing this). With all that being said, I’m glad that you made this video essay. Some of these shows may not be as inspiring as others, but the ones that went under the radar definitely deserves to at least be recognized and have it’s story on how it got screwed over told.

[@Commenter839]

Disappointed that Iron Man: Armored Adventures didn't make it here. Nobody talks about that show, but i was a huge fan as a kid

[@barneykenway4767]

Yeah, I remember loving it. It's weird that no one ever talks about it.

[@MatthewCobalt]

Damn, Your segment on TUFF Puppy basically unearthed a buried memory and through line about my life.

[@KaylaTheKindOne]

I love how Braxton practically wrote a mini essay about Harvey Beaks. I should really give that show a watch

[@kristen8203]

Spending years wondering what show I watched at 1 am when I was 4, then realizing it's making fiends and then realizing it was cancelled so horribly is something I will never get over

[@rocketterrier]

making fiends is my ALL time favorite forgotten cartoon show. me and my younger brother would excitedly sit in front of the tv in my bedroom at the end of my bed and watch episodes too, and come up with our own episode ideas after. i was seven/eight and he was three/four :)

[@sergiom.a.1236]

My dude. The fucking writing is on-point today. Even by your standards this is banger after banger. And the video overall is great too. Btw, I think what you mean about movement in yuro cartoons is floatiness and quick gestures.

[@ChillaxingJay]

ive never been the biggest fan of TMNT (although i did like the 2003 show whenever i caught an ep on TV) so i wasn't interested in Rise of the TMNT show. but after seeing the clips of it you put in the video i was literally blown away by how amazing the series looks. like you said, anyone who compared it to TTG is fucking insane. i legit want to check out the show now. thats unfortunate it only got 2 seasons tho

[@RobotGuy405]

Seeing Speed Racer in the beginning was like I was sleeper agent dude I always vaguely remembered a Speed Racer show on Nicktoons but had no idea what it was. I really honestly loved that channel, it's the reason I like a lot of cartoons like spongebob, danny phantom, hell even dragonball

[@turtletechgodhead]

when you showed rottmnt clips i just about screamed. i LOVE that show and i never see anyone talk about it when talking about 'graveyard channels' and its so nice to see them be mentioned here!! if you havent seen the movie yet, i 1000% recommend it, ive watched it five times and the end scene has made me tear up for four of them

[@turtletechgodhead]

two updates now that ive watched some of the video: 1) vendetta and charlotte are in love, actually 2) take that wild grinders slander back RIGHT NOW.

[@BinglesP]

I honestly like your attitude. I find it really hard to get into watching new cartoons due to the on-demand structure of both legitimate and pirate watching methods But this pushes me a little more to give it a try

[@turtletechgodhead]

the movie holds up as a stand-alone too, if you want to just see that first and test the waters :) the crew i believe has said that theres some kind of announcement coming in 2023, and its rumored that if the movie does well then theyll get picked back up for another season so im trying to plug the movie as much as i can 😭😂

[@samv.3217]

I can honestly forgive TMNT's departure to nicktoons, because even though it was removed from the main channel, it's clear they weren't going to let it die. Aside from the movie, there was a 24/7 Pluto TV chancel for the show, and it promoted heavily on Netflix. Even though new episodes were on a pay channel, I can forgive it because they gave consumers more options to watch, kind of like how Invader Zim and Teenage Robot were on DVD around their departure.

[@mmx3374]

TUFF Puppy has always been seen as a personal favourite of mine. Being my favourite Butch Hartman cartoon and my 2nd favourite Nicktoon overall (SpongeBob is 1st) This show was what got interested in making drawing a passion of mine. Dudley & Kitty are even my most wanted characters for Nick All-Stars Brawl.

[@Oceananswer]

I honestly watched nicktoons more than normal nickelodeon. Nicktoons film festival still holds a spot near my heart.

[@qualityart4004]

This video has brought back a lot of repressed memories as a 7-9 year old watching nick in its dark age. Honestly I liked alot of these shows as a kid but I imagine going back to something like Tuff Puppy wouldn’t be anything remarkable. But at least I caught those Zim reruns often and also Making Fiends one time.

[@bugdandy]

this guy has the best synopsis of making fiends I’ve ever heard

[@luigiboi4244]

The only two I remember that I wish got more shine time was *Welcome To The Wayne* and *Rise of the TMNT.* I'm a sucker for continual storytelling, mystery, and magic, so seeing them get shafted even though they were bangers hurt my soul. Oh well, at least Rise got a Netflix movie.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Cable isn't dying, not really. The streaming services are just Cable now. They've lost the advantages of streaming to bring us all the problems of cable.

[@BinglesP]

And then there's the hybrids like PlutoTV that I honestly wish were more present than they are now I find it extremely hard to get the motivation to watch actual shows over just KZbin videos, especially new ones I haven't seen already, because you have to go out of your way to select them in particular Someone like me with motivation problems as bad as sometimes forgetting basic routines like meals or hygiene(yes I have ADHD in case you haven't noticed) makes me feel so out of the loop with a lot of internet animation discussion

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

It all started when every network wanted to branch out and create their own streaming service.

[@sarasaland4709]

Nick: The main character has to be a child! Also Nick: Our most popular character is old enough to have a job, learn to drive and live on his own.

[@ToastPresident]

I adored Welcome to the Wayne. I’m just happy it was given the time to finish.

[@kadan2889]

So many of these felt like fever dreams when I was young - I remember most besides 2-3, and only vaguely. I'd remember the concept, animation style, or one specific scene that was lost in the back of my mind. Like holy shit, it was to weird.

[@madmouse1016]

I actually legit wanna watch this newer spin on TMNT so bad- the art style immediately caught my attention and it looks sooooooo much more appealing than the past ones. I know I should watch the other first, but it would just feel like a chore for me if I can't find it visually appealing.

[@dangernoodle3343]

I'm losing my shit rn, I've had the vaguest memory of a show with the name fiends in it for literal years and I could never remember anything more than that about it. No wonder everyone I've mentioned it to has no idea what it was, I must have seen one episode when it briefly got aired before being canned. Shame too, I remember really enjoying it

[@dlm292]

Favorite JS video it has it all, humor, review, insanity everything a man needs

[@Ziko577]

I did a search to confirm NFL Rush Zone on KimCartoon and it's indeed just the second season and no season 1 or 3 in sight. That's literally 60% of the show gone! How?!

[@carcinoVantas]

i remember at around 2-4 years old i was watching nicktoons at my grandmas and an invader zim rerun was on and i just remember being *entranced* everyday i would supposedly ask to watch "the show with the alien" (my mothers word, not mine) and that love for invader zim has lasted far longer anyone was expected. from my disturbing toddler adoration, my shitty fanart as a child and now my non binary realization from dib bigass head membrane himself. tl;dr i was a weird kid and now im a weird trans teen

[@JordnJams]

MY GOD NFL RUSH ZONE WAS A BIG PART OF MY CHILDHOOD WTF TY TY

[@gezz5904]

Breadwinners was a fascinating show, I loved it as a kid. I would bounce to the show as it went- that’s because they animated it to music they composed!!!

[@v0m1tg0r3gutzz]

Bro I loved Breadwinners and I still do

[@BinglesP]

I remember grabbing the bread loaf on the cupboard and eating it right out of the bag when it came on, I was that content with it Honestly overhated show, outside the gross-out(which is probably just the network's demand, like it was with Problem Solverz, another overhated cartoon)

[@samv.3217]

While it doesn't hold up for me too well, I was pleasantly surprised that the show still made me laugh now that I'm older. I wish I could be more of a contrarian by saying I enjoyed it, the same way I enjoyed Planet Sheen and Fanboy and Chum Chum, but Breadwinners had more flaws than those two sadly.

[@anthonyglenn770]

This was very interesting, a lot of work and research put in. Bravo!