Death of a Game: Pokemon TCG Online

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

💥 wtplay.link/nerdslayer - Download War Thunder for FREE and get your bonus!

[@XeCuTioNR]

Please consider covering *Warface* as the devs only seem to care about the Russian player base & constantly dropping nothing but whale bait ridiculously broken weapons across all platforms... just trying to push as far as they can to kill the game for good.

[@Marinealver]

Nintendo is shutting down the servers to Super Mario Maker (1). Super Mario Bros. 35 is also worthy of a Death of a Game video. Come to think of it Nintendo has been contributing quite a bit of future content.

[@gabrielamaro1470]

A key detail that’s actually missing from this story is that neither PTCGO or PTCGL exist in Japan. They’re projects aimed entirely at the audience abroad, because Japan itself has such a strong in person tournament scene that a digital client was likely deemed unnecessary. That’s likely why they didn’t get the support or funding necessary to be better than they are, since they’re run by the international subsidiary of TPC rather the main branches like Creatures (the company that designs the cards) and TPC itself. The new game, TCG Pocket, is a game supported and developed by Creatures and DeNa (TPC’s mobile game dev partner for Pokemon Masters EX). Right off the bat it got major spotlight and introduction in a Direct, something that neither PTCGL or PTCGO EVER got. So that’s the clear difference, if it’s made with Japan included, TPC will put proper effort, if it doesn’t, it gets scraps.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Something I took for granted, thanks for mentioned it seriously!

[@charmingoracle129]

Man I feel kinda sorry for Japan after reading this. They’re going to basically be stuck with what is essentially Pokémon’s version of duel links without having access to it’s master duel.

[@pumapl5089]

@@charmingoracle129 honestly, considering the state of PTCGL, it may actually be better for them, because our online client is not up to modern standards.

[@GSBroker]

@@charmingoracle129 They're not missing anything at all.

[@Ich_bin_Abidu]

Open your eyes for the next Faiz

[@theremix54]

The Pokemon TCG is a wonderfully fun game with lots of potential, however the old and new digital version of them are so soulless it hurts. There is literally nothing to do but 1v1 ranked battled. Why are there no events? Why are there not multiple formats? Why is there no arena or draft style mode? Why is there no clans / guild / chat lobbies, its absolutely wild that a game with this much heart has no soul to speak of. Here, Ill come up with something "Revenge of the Pidgeys" - "Use a prebuilt deck containing nothing but Pidgey, Pidgeotto and Pidgeot card varients, win 10 matches in this weekend long event to get a shiny pidgey card" - See how hard that was? Literally the first thing that came into my mind with no thought at all. There are thousands of cool possibilities.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

shout out to revenge of the pidgeys

[@michel0dy]

I think Yu-Gi-Oh Master Duel still lacks in some departments but they do run very fun events often. Like events where you can only play anime-related decks, or where you have super low starting life points, or where your extra deck must have Fusion monsters only, etc. It encourages players to try different decks and get nice little rewards for it.

[@Lucydius]

I really wish a dev would “accidentally” leak the source code or an easy way for us to be able to run the ones that got replaced or failed ngl 😢

[@HigherKaiju]

Marvel snap source code was leaked for 6 hours and someone is making a Pokémon version but it’ll be private I assume

[@PyroTech03]

Could always use Tabletop Simulator. There's a Pokémon tcg module for it.

[@luisbasurto6296]

@@HigherKaijuGot sauce on this? Couldn't find anything

[@HigherKaiju]

@@luisbasurto6296 the google drive with the src is gone but I downloaded it. But it’s coded in unity. The thread is nulled forums search MS leak it’s still on page 1

[@PlushPilla]

PTCGO uses a very old version of Unity so the client can be decompiled. But the server code has to be rewritten because we don't have access to that. But at that point it will be a legal nightmare. Or best option is to wait for Twinleaf to launch.

[@dasonskywalker8806]

What?! It's dead? But I still have hundreds of online booster pack codes to redeem.

[@greeksotiris]

You can redeem them at TCG Live.

[@NeoAquaKun]

Just a shame the TCG live app on Mobile suuuuuuuuuucks ​@@greeksotiris

[@jerm4892]

Hundreds? Those are rookie numbers.

[@Bored_Barbarian]

You can redeem BW-on still

[@ricklavick]

@@greeksotiris iirc there's a cutoff date that might have already passed, those packs might be long gone

[@TsukentoX]

Also worth noting is how Live is still missing older expansions that were in Online. Online ended right as Scarlet and Violet came out and featured cards from HeartGold & SoulSilver, Black & White, X & Y, and Sun & Moon, which covers the expanded format. Live only just added Sun & Moon. We're still missing 3 generations of older cards.

[@JcBravo8]

I think this represents the 'new' Expanded. There's no reason for them to not include them except them indirectly creating a new Expanded. Kind of makes sense since they started with the reg letters.

[@mundohasphd8262]

The death of PTCGO was the nail in the coffin that convinced me to stop playing all together. Letting years worth of card online get deleted was my incentive to nevee go back

[@ForTheWinTCG]

As someone who made videos using Pokémon TCG Online (PTCGO) and uses Pokémon TCG Live (PTCGL) today, I appreciate the coverage of this! I do want to clarify that it's commonly regarded in the community that the removal of trading was actually a good thing and with the battle pass being free, if you play the game even casually you get given a lot of good free decks to try out for yourself. The biggest problem the community has is that PTCGL is simply worse than PTCGO; it has less features, more game breaking bugs, clunky and boring animations, 0 artistic style & slower gameplay. We were given hope of finally having PTCG meet it's online potential with a client like Master Duel or MTG Arena and instead got a downgrade of what was already a 10+ year old game. It was and still is considered an insult to the true Pokémon TCG community.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

To be clear, commonly regarded in the community just shows that you guys are dumber than I thought. I especially think that because you ignore any arguments I made just to repeat whatever one else has repeated already.

[@CptnKraken]

To be fair at 11:09 the battle-pass as well as the game is 100% free. You literally cannot spend any really money in this game at all. They get your money from buying irl packs that have the code in them for digital packs. Having played both throughout the years extensively - I much prefer the new one. I used to have to spend hours looking for deals to trade like 100+ packs for one card I needed for my deck. Now I can build any deck I want.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Sorry but with all due respect why can you suddenly now build whatever deck you want? It doesn't make any sense.

[@CptnKraken]

Because I am no longer limited by how much money I want to spend on the old "trading system." A lot of people don't talk about it, but in PTCGO basic cards that everyone needed 4x of for every deck at the time (such as "Tapu Lele GX" or "Shaymin EX") were trading for upwards of 30 packs EACH. Most people didn't have 120 packs to trade so there was a whole "black market" on eBay and other sites that would just straight up sell you the digital card and then "trade" it to you in-game. Even though this is not what the game wanted you to do - it was sometimes the only feasible way to get rarer cards that you needed for your decks. This lead to a pay-to-win meta, as players with less money were simply not able to get the cards they needed reliably. In PTCGL there is no way to trade and absolutely no way to spend money in the game at all, and they are extremely generous with giving out staple cards that everyone needs such as "Professor's Research", "Pidgeot ex", "Boss's Orders" for free (and they are usually the full-art versions too). I have like 35,000 extra currency that lets me get any cards I want when I need them. It is definitely not a perfect game by any means, but overall I think it is a much better game for players who are interested in playing the actual game and building decks, instead of just hoarding tons of staple cards to trade for packs when certain metas shift. @@nerdSlayerstudioss

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

I respect your opinion, but better for gaming when it has one mode and is missing 3 generations? Sorry just not buying it. @@CptnKraken

[@frozenfreehand1997]

​@@nerdSlayerstudiossyou can earn certain tokens in game for obtaining more than four of the same card when opening packs. You trade those tokens in for individual cards you want. That's how you can build your own deck. You can obtain booster packs by trading in those purple crystals. Purple crystals are only obtained from the battle pass and by leveling up. So effectively, zero real world money is involved in the game.

[@deletethis7848]

​​@@nerdSlayerstudioss the trading part in TCGs means that half of the time you're getting robbed by scalpers. Period. Personally I wont miss the bastard who tried to trade me in 2 Zacian V full art for literal pack fodder.

[@greeksotiris]

The irony of the video's release date being the same with that new Pokemon mobile card game.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

is SLIGHTLY annoying LOL

[@hegyak]

TCG Online was fun and good. I loved playing Theme. But Live doesn't let me have that. Yes. It's nice having a new engine but, cutting features, is what Pokemon does. Always. Not just the TCG but the Main Line games too.

[@FluttershyIsAGoddess]

I hate the new ptcgl so much, they took so much from me. My rare costumes, all my rare card sets I had collected, my Milotic sleeves and deck box. 🤬 Why did they take my valuable holo double colorless, what did that accomplish? I hate the new one so much.

[@SeiferA2001]

The counter points you made for people like me that like Live and regarding trading in these games as a whole is a valid critique in one hand. But I always viewed both TCG Live and Online as a COMPANION to the physical game and not an ALTERNATIVE. For me, it’s fine if trading doesn’t exist in this game for three reasons: 1: After what online proved, you cannot trust the player base to put cards up at a reasonable offer. If I have to spend money on 10 booster boxes to get my cards for my deck because 10 cards are in high demand, I’m sorry, but we don’t deserve that option. 2: If you want to trade, that’s what the physical game is for with both versions. You get your code cards via boosters. Your trade fodder is there to build an actual deck and go to a local league with. 3: From my experience with online since day 1, the ONLY trades you could make fairly with actual digital cards (not code cards for boosters) was for commons and uncommons. Again, I get the counter point’s intentions, but it’s something I have to respectfully disagree with. But I know that can also be a personal take too. Either way great content as always!

[@techno_otaku]

I know I got here as soon as this video got posted, but once I saw Pokemon TCG Pocket get announced I knew the writing was on the wall for it's many attempts to be talked about on this channel

[@Scresho202]

The writing for what? The transition to TCG Live from TCGO was planned waaaay before TCG Pocket and TCG Live is still Live and playable

[@techno_otaku]

@@Scresho202 I meant for it's history of multiple attempts of the pokemon tcg services to be talked upon not for any of them shutting down or anything, i should have specified

[@SaikoDeMoN]

Didn't even know this existed. I still vividly remember playing the card game on ye olde gameboy color. I loved it. Spent countless hours playing and replaying every type of deck. Couldn't really afford to get into the cardboard. It's kind of sad how heavily monetized TCG's are. So hard to keep up with them.

[@anguishedcarpet]

as someone heavily invested in several tcgs; they aren't worth it lol

[@TheMadVentriloquist]

Always the option of proxies, then the most expensive part would only be the sleeves. I personally am not into the YGO Official TCG, but love making proxy decks and custom decks using the program TCGEditor.@@anguishedcarpet

[@Ziko577]

I fell in love with that game and the hacks that are out of it are even better. I'm glad for those who have a Switch with an NSO sub can experience it as well.

[@TheDarkestPhoenix]

Something important to note, though I am not sure how you would have included it, was there is (was? I actually didn't even realize there was a new client until this video) incentive to buy the IRL packs and starter decks to improve your online collection, which is something Magic or I don't think any of the other competitors did or do, and something I rather enjoyed of the PTCG. Each real life pack/deck came with a code for the online game to get a pack/deck there. Decks were especially neat since I think it also came with the coin the deck came with. There were also codes in the tins for the tin card and sleeves.

[@Temperans]

Magic used to have those codes, but they stopped it.

[@abelvalle6188]

Played it when it first came out and redemed a bunch of the codes. At some point there was an update and all my stuff was gone

[@MaximilianoEmanuel.]

I waste 2 years playing ptcgo and I love those years. But when I come back back year and see what they done to the game and the facts that there's no formats destroy my wish to come back to the game !

[@Pizbet]

At this point, I just want a singleplayer pokemon tcg game like the one they released for the game boy but modernized. It's been decades, for god sake! Is that so much to ask?

[@rokmare]

The trading system was one of the most exciting and unique experience for me in a card game it actually made me do research on how much pack are worth and wether I was getting a good deal like I was trading in cardboard stocks 😂

[@goncaloferreira6429]

it was amazing and f2p friendly.

[@ComradePaolo]

Wild that the community post about this one came across my radar, like, the week I decided to see if there was an online Pokemon card game (just getting really into Magic and like alternatives). Bummer! Lovely video as always.

[@Arcanua]

To add further insult you couldn't always transfer your decks...for some reason they didn't put every set in the redone one right away....so for a lot of folks your deck didn't transfer fully and worst case couldn't transfer period....I lost more than half my cards transferring and haven't picked this back up since that transfer since I wouldn't get them whenever they got to adding those other sets in.

[@gaianexv2109]

Ya know, I wonder why they never made another game like the Gameboy Color games?

[@canaldecasta]

Its upsetting.

[@Evil_Befall]

They released the old tcg gameboy colour in the nintendo pack But you could just emulate it it's cheaper

[@alestrius]

Why release a thirt-- sorry, sixty dollar (as we know it would be these days, if not seventy) game that's a one-and-done purchase when you can make people buy booster packs and expansions on a regular basis? A single-player, offline game, even Nintendo would be hard-pressed to get away with that, but it's a basic expectation of live service games.

[@Vorance]

Also, Red/Green/Blue/Yellow sold around 45 million copies collectively. The Pokemon TCG Gameboy game barely sold over 2 million. Comparatively, it probably didn't make any sense to keep making, especially taking into account the comment above mine.

[@luisbasurto6296]

Thanks for bringing to light the glaring issues of this game, as it's usually the case with pokemon games they are just okay with lots of missed potential, hopefully ptcgl improves this year but the ever too common bugs and issues with the game and now it being overshadowed by ptcgp make it not too likely. Great video!

[@GuiFerty]

The "trading" portion was the part that everyone hated, people actually love that ptcgl crafting system

[@arintheseatsesh6242]

Yup. This dude has to be a mtg fan or something. I'm die hard Pokémon all the way. At first I hated and even resented they scrapped PTCGO for Live. I just downloaded live again and gave it a chance. It isn't bad at all. Turn off the VFX's in the options and it runs like a dream. They just need to update or optimize or whatever to make the games more speedier instead of waiting 3-5 seconds for you to play your cards. It isn't as terrible as this dude makes it out to be. I could only watch 10 minutes and it's just neckbearded nitpicking. Hopefully the add the last 3 generations of cards too. We don't have enough Ho-Oh's lol.

[@arintheseatsesh6242]

Also the game isn't dead. You aren't waiting 5-10+ minutes to get in a match, even in expanded. That would make it dead. In fact I have a feeling it's growing now.

[@billwilson1225]

​@arintheseatsesh6242 Just had several games where _all_ the cards stayed face down throughout the match.

[@manamaster6]

Publishing this almost at the same time as the new TCG video game is announced, what a timing.

[@DeadlestSpartanGroup]

See, I can't say I miss trading cause I remember it being basically people wanting 10s of pack for 1 card strong card or several lesser cards. And coming into it looked like people wanting me to buy the packs IRL to trade for that one card I need for my deck, which would total to $40+ for a single digital card. I had friends see it the same way as well. The secret, though, was spending money on third-party sites for codes for a fraction of a real pack, useally $0.15 to $0.50 a pack. Still felt bad, but at least better than spending for real packs. Never had a real trading interaction in it, but I do wish they would add Friend to Friend trading, at least. (Which would lead to third party sites dedicated to trading.) Side note neither vetsion feels like I own them to me since they aren't real and if they permanently shut them down with now transfer follow up the cards are gone. You can still use codes to open packs (limit 400 for each set for some reason) so battle pass hasn't felt game changer yet just some extra packs and cards. I hope they do add more to LIVE with things like bots, ranked expanded, other formats, and fun game modes like the raid battle thing pokemon did. I at least enjoy playing the game and personally I just hope the older cards get implemented soon for expanded play. Other big wish that won't happen is 4 man free for all.

[@arintheseatsesh6242]

Yeah I remember someone wanted a booster box plus 10 for a couple ultra rares. I remember scrolling through the trades trying to get actual deals let alone fair trades. Not going to miss trading at all. Especially since you can earn currency to exchange for any card you want. It actually makes getting those cards more rewarding. We can only hope they update the game.

[@HAHA4625]

As an avid PTCGO player (especially during the pandemic), I could go on for hours about how PTCGL is so bad. Everything felt like a downgrade, which is impressive considering how low the bar was already. The main thing for me is just how lifeless and hollow everything felt. The avatars looked like shit, the mat looked like shit, the card animations looked like shit, the card collection screen looked like shit, the game itself and everything in it just looked like shit. There was some heart in PTCGO, little things like the sound effects as you click on cards, bigger and more impactful animations as you used more powerful attacks, different animations for different types of attacks, all of it is just gone from PTCGL. It's unfathomably bad.

[@reestablishingrome]

that War Thunder ad caught me off guard

[@Remmio]

As someone who has played both versions the switch to a hearthstone style ccg was a huge win for competitive players. Tcg online trading was expensive modt sets i would use 400+ codes per set now you can earn alot for free and from the codes i get from my pack openings and my collection online is huge. Also they give cores or competitive decks at the start of the battle pass too so you can jump right into ranked

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

And now you own none of the cards, and have no ability to not lose massive amounts of value. I think it's fine if you prefer that style.

[@SeiferA2001]

@@nerdSlayerstudiossif you’re playing the game just to build decks and play test with others online, there’s really no problem in that field

[@Remmio]

@@nerdSlayerstudioss Some did move over but I did lose much older cards but that's why the new system is better since for play testing and trying new decks it's alot easier I can build full decks now for the cost of a couple cards from the old trade methods if you compare 750 dust vs 30 packs I will take the dust everyday

[@Entropic_Alloy]

@@nerdSlayerstudiossI don't understand why you are hung up on that, when you never "owned" the cards previously. Plus they transferred the cards you did own to your new account. You aren't using the client to build a collection, you are using it to PLAY THE GAME. There are way more problems with the client, but the economy is literally the least problematic issue with it.

[@faisfaizal5194]

The only reason I'm still sticking to PTCGL is cause I literally have no way to play the game in real life. My friends doesn't play the game, no place hosting events, and the only places selling cards/packs are street vendors selling unsold inventories from 1 year ago..

[@danielpayne1597]

I wanted to play the Pokemon TCG for the first time in years. Imagine my shock and irritation when I learned that, upon transfer from Online to Live, I'd lose access to a bunch of older cards, but now I can't even battle friends in the Expanded format. It only allows Standard. Who designed this crap?

[@777enoch]

Same. Last time I'd played was 2022 but I would always come back. Had opened at least 1500+ packs

[@hongqipiao]

haven't played TCGO in so long it hurts

[@ShadowMonkey69]

The new app coming out this year makes me wonder how bad the monetization will be

[@christianpeavey8262]

Man hearing at the end Pokemon isn't taken seriously as a TCG at the end is so bizarre? Like who doesn't take it seriously? People that don't play cards games? It's probably the second biggest tcg you can participate in second to freaking magic. If you want to play something people don't take seriously you pick up one of those anime licensed TCGs that release every two minutes.

[@CelticGuardian7]

I had no idea Direwolf Digital made this one! I used to play Eternal a lot (stopped because I was getting too invested and needed some space, game's still great) and I can see why they weren't as successful here. For anyone curious of the thoughts of a long-time Eternal player... A: Direwolf Digital is made up of a lot of MtG expert players. Eternal showcases this. While I wouldn't say that means they're not qualified to make a Pokémon TCG online game (after all, the cards do already exist and such, and they've made a lot of online CCGs), it's also not something that plays to their greatest strengths. B: One of the reasons Eternal is so good is that it really utilizes the advantages it has by being a digital-only game. It has mechanics that literally would not work in a real world game (not without jumping through ten thousand hurdles at the very least) and that makes it stand out, along with being very fun. Pokémon TCG wouldn't allow them to showcase that. C: While Eternal is great as a game and has really good artwork for its cards (and some of its stages), it definitely lacks in the music department. I dunno what Pokémon TCG's music was like, but as someone who thinks highly of most Pokémon game soundtracks, I wouldn't want Eternal's creators in charge of that one. It's also worth noting that Eternal is a CCG rather than a TCG, and AFAIK, Direwolf Digital has never made a TCG. Good video, as always! I'll stick to the GBC game myself. =P

[@dat_lamp]

Dire Wolf has their fangs in a lot of card games. Root, Munchkins, and Dune...all are great picks!

[@ForgottenAesir]

They make their own games for tabletop as well (in the case of Clank and Dune Imperium), and are hired by other companies like Leder Games (Root) and SJG (Munchkin) to make digital versions of their games.

[@testingattthing]

you understand that personal property isn't a no-no concept under alternate economic systems, right?

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

it is under CCG systems, which aren't exactly some social democracy or something

[@sukamadik5983]

When even a popular game in the collosal Pokémon franchise dies it reminds you that any game no matter how popular or great can and probably will eventually die. The circle of life applies to many things I guess.

[@arwing20]

In other words, don't spend money on microtransactions in these games. You are literally buying nothing, to lose it later

[@MooncakePuff]

As someone who recently got into the Pokemon TCG (Like 6 months ago in the middle of the Obsidian Flames set). I feel like the system in PTCGL for obtaining the cards that you need for decks is a lot easier than compared to PTCGO. I like that the game actually gives you a lot of decent decks to start out with and especially with battle pass they give you competitively viable decks. Not to mention that the game is completely unmonetized apart from the code cards that you get from IRL booster packs. The credit system also makes getting the cards a lot easier since you simply obtain credits by just playing the game and progressing through the battle pass (although I do think that the grind should be made a bit faster). I do wish that the game had true expanded plus other formats though and also some of the other features that PTCGO had like copying your opponents decklists, the ability to mute your opponents emotes or viewing the cards that you have without creating/editing a deck. (Also would be nice to have a functioning game, TPCI pls fix the bugs and glitches)

[@DragoTFH]

Omg this video is awesome! I am someone who got into the Pokemon tcg online and tcg in general back when Pokemon sword and shield battle styles just realeased and i was there not just for the beta of pokemon tcg live but the full release and it was a disaster and us people who are in the community and still play the tcg in general wish ptcgo was back so it makes me happy that someones covering the disaster these two games are. don't get be wrong pokemon tcg online was not great and we've never really had a really good online way to play the game but it was passable compared to the new cilent which is a mess so bad that it makes the switch from overwatch 1 to overwatch 2 look completely flawless. its one of those messes you wouldn't think is as bad as it is unless you were there for the switch it makes me sick. i still play ptcgl but mostly cuz its the only way besides irl i can play my favorite card game with my friends so if it wasn't for that i wouldn't have it installed. lets hope someday we get a actual good pokemon tcg game i would love to see a single player campaign game like the old gameboy color games or like the old tag force games for yugioh on the switch 1 or 2 that have a good multiplayer aswell i wouldn't even mind paying 60 bucks for that i will be honest if it worked and the campaign was fun.

[@DEADSTARZ]

All that money I spent, and to what end?

[@TheKrypticX]

Next DOAG, Rogue Company. Man i put so much time into that game....then ranked happened and the usual Hi-Rez support drop off and my heart was shredded. Good Luck Detective

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

thanks! I love (HATE) HiRez

[@TheKrypticX]

@@antoniojosetorrente559 if it's not smite hi rez only supports it for like a month and moves on, they gave rogue company a decent run but they waited too long to fully launch and it quickly fell off from there

[@kered13]

There are a lot of problems with the new PTCGL. Performance, graphics, bugs, etc. But the new economy is so much better than PTCGO, it's not even close. I've been playing for only a couple months and have basically every meta deck, it's fantastic! I played PTCGO for about the same amount of time years ago, and only ever had one decent deck that was nowhere near meta level. I could not have acquired a single Shaymin EX card back then if I had wanted to. Now it's easy to acquire a full set of a similar modern card.

[@doopness785]

They announced a mobile phone version of the TCG so I would hardly consider the game dead.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

...they announced another game you mean?

[@AlphaSquadZero]

I had found acquiring cards in Pokemon Online far more confusing and daunting as well as much less generous in comparison to pokemon live where it is very straightforward process. In pokemon live you can get the premium battle pass for no real money. There being no logs in pokemon live is certainly a confusing decision and its general buginess is bad. The game should be named a CCG, but that would be confusing from a marketing perspective when the game is about emulating a TCG. Overall I feel I have as much ownership of my cards in a digital CCG as I do in a digital TCG.

[@vgc_ivan8391]

My biggest issue and it still there with live that. I had a lot of Full Art cards that are playable, they somehow made it worst to hid them under another category that wasn't explain well, with TCGO its still listed under the same name of that card making it easier to find.

[@FrostyMantleM]

I remember playing a bit of this back in the day. Had to be right after Toontown closed and I was desperate to find any MMO that would fill the void before the private servers launched. Never been a big Pokemon guy but I remember really liking this one!

[@shoenessperson]

A core issue of PTCGO on iOS and Android I that they were relegated to tablets only because of screen size. PTCGO ran very well on low-end computers, and PTCGL is hard to play on low-end or mobile in a way that's enjoyable, something Konami had done twice with Duel Links and Master Duel. I do love Yu-gi-oh, but I miss when MTG's standard format was fun and PTCG is something I've constantly been trying to get friends to play. Somehow, the least new player friendly card game has the best digital game out of the big 3 despite it being so unpopular.

[@sukamadik5983]

I dread the day when I see a video titled "The Death of nerdSlayer Studios". Give this channel to your offsprings if you have to just don't ever let this Well of entertaining information die.

[@tahkaimartin8050]

So upset when I messed up my transfer from this to the new one and after that I closed the laptop and never looked back. Figured I'd jus wait until the new app

[@wasute]

I found this video... and had a heartbreak again..... I miss PTCGO T.T

[@Forgotten-Gamer]

Warface next Nerdslayer 😢

[@Allen-qs2xr]

Everyone: Nobody saw this TCG announcement coming during presents!! NS: Nobody but me.

[@ElXtronic]

Only thing i dislike about Live is them nerfing my deck builds with new restrictions on certain cards being allowed months after launch. Like, get it right the first time, had to re-build my decks due to their regulations on what cards can be used to battle with ✨🇺🇸💯

[@dr.penguinstein3426]

The GX and V cards were the worst. People just kept spamming them. I managed to create decks just to spite them. Make them rage quit because strategy was always rush energies and just do crap loads of damage.

[@Bug_Berry]

Yeah power creep really hurt the TCG imo. I miss gen 3-5. That was such a fun era of the TCG

[@jakubmakalowski6428]

Still feels like the gameboy games were the best way to experience the tcg.

[@WarnarI]

Pokemon also announced a new tcg this week: Pokemon TCG pocket. Not sure if pkemon tcg live is just going to continue as a separate tcg platform like duel links is for Yugioh. Or get phased out.

[@medvidekmisha]

The battle pass is super easy to progress through. You get 1tier minimum with daily quests and the game is fairly generous with rewards You forgot to mention that they sunsetted trading because the economy was in shambles for years. It was run by bots and multi sellers and it was nearly impossible for a regular player to get competitive cards because they used to trade for hundreds of booster packs and nothing else Pokemon TCG tournaments had the highest attendance yet in the last few years. Every new tournament is sold out within seconds.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

What you said is literally not true and I have hundreds of comments that contradict that. That was just true for you though.

[@Entropic_Alloy]

@@nerdSlayerstudiossNo he is right. I played TCGO for YEARS and to get chase cards like Shaymin EX or Tapu Lele GX, it would cost upwards of 30 packs EACH, and you could need up to 4 in some decks. Shit was a nightmare to get decks. Please actually talk to players who went to regionals and actually grinded the client instead of genwunners or people who barely used the thing.

[@OtakuSuperior]

As a F2P player, the changes from Online to Live are astronomically better. It fulfils the role of a digital sim, which is all we ever wanted, and it is incredibly easy to acquire the ingame currency to make decks. In that regard, it's the best digital version of a phycial TCG on the market, even with the constant bugs. No one cares about the lack of trading as the new system to acquire cards is easier and faster. It's an automated test sim for the physical game and is still meant to be a companion to it, which it fulfils.

[@NikdoNikdy-uo3pj]

You can't be serious. Online version was far better And ať least it worked. Live Is full of bugs and visual Is horrible

[@OtakuSuperior]

@@NikdoNikdy-uo3pj I've had 1 visual bug in 18 months so I guess I'm lucky. And I can actually complete decks in Live without investing hours into a terrible trade system.

[@Pexodus11]

We were all very excited when they announced they would be working on live to replace ptcgo. We were hoping for something like hearthstone or the mtg client. At this point however we just wish they left well enough alone. It's very clear they had people that didn't have a clue what they're doing to make the game and now they're just trying to keep up with the bugs. It's very clear there will be a point when there are too many bugs and it will no longer be fixable. It's unfortunate because we all use it for testing and a bunch of people use it for content and to make a living

[@ShuffleEmporium]

this is one of the saddest dead of a game episode. PTCG online is better than PTCG Live IMO.

[@felipepereira214]

Even though I played some Pokemon TCG I never heard of the online game before kk That's why like DOAG so much: you learn something new every episode.

[@Pexodus11]

The game is much better without trading. The game is completely free to play and getting cards is hard at first but becomes very easy at a certain point and definitely easier than before. They give us most of the best decks for free. I spend no money on the game now and before I had to spend 100 dollars every time every set dropped to just get some of the new cards

[@frozenfreehand1997]

My main issue with the new online game is that they cycle out cards that can be used to play with. There's old decks you redeem that can have cards that are banned from either standard and/or expanded play. I have two decks from back in 2017 i redeemed recently and i cant even use the cards i got!

[@kered13]

That has nothing to do with the online game. The Pokemon TCG has always had a rotating standard format, and both PTCGO and PTCGL recreate that accurately. If you want to use more cards, you can play the Expanded format, but it's an overpowered and kind of broken format.

[@williampounds5191]

That's just how pokemon works my guy. Sure you can play with your friends with whatever cards you want but this is based on the standard format you see at events and tournaments. Play Yugioh if you want a game that you dont want to mess around with formats.

[@atamisirli3620]

Hey NS If you gonna start talking about Death of Card games can you do a Video about Chaotic TCG? Loved that game

[@TheDXJC56]

I remember finding this out the hard way a couple months ago when I tried booting up the app for the first time in probably years, such a shame that they had to burn down everyone's online collections

[@Kepesk]

It seems like the Pokemon Company's MO lately is, "How can we half ass this to save money?"

[@marshtomp8]

Man, I can't wait until you cover Pokemon Unite one day. That'll be fun.

[@RednekGamurz]

Online was at least passable. With enough updates it would've been great. Absolutely no reason why it needed to be replaced with Live, especially considering the state Live launched in/is still in. As for the bit at the end, I feel like the coin-flipping complaint is misinformed, or at the very least overblown. Sure, some cards require coin-flips, but most of the good decks have little to no coin-flipping required. My main issue with the TCG is how good multi-prize Pokemon can be (ex, V, VMax, VStar, etc). Very few decks that only use single-prize Pokemon are viable, and I feel like the attack and HP numbers for multi-prizers are getting out of hand.

[@dinoparty9226]

Kinda, but they also worth 2 prize cards so, not that bad in my eyes, have a good mix and shouldn’t be issue

[@RednekGamurz]

@@dinoparty9226 Considering there's basically no competitively viable decks that only use single-prize Pokemon right now, I disagree. On paper it's balanced, but in execution, 2/3 prize Pokemon are overtuned. The original versions of ex Pokemon back in Gen 3 were actually pretty well-balanced and it led to a pretty diverse metagame, but come around Gen 7 with the introduction of GX and Tag Team GX, and you're basically forced to use multi-prize Pokemon to compete.

[@willianmagnoni112]

I really loved the old pokémon tcg online design.

[@Digital_Her0]

The core economy of PTCGO was backwards. People trying to upsell copies of cards no one wanted and asking for the impossible for cards you did want. The credit system and battle pass in PTCGL is infinitely superior to anything PTCGO did. Thats about the only positive I can say outside of the music also being better.

[@dinoparty9226]

I love tcg live actually, no complaints other than glitching out sometimes

[@lopezmaria700]

when tcgo moved to tcg live, my 2016 ipad couldn't handle the update and had to let it go, spent a lot of time and money on the game but it was time to move on

[@cgiscript415]

What i like about this game was themed decks which provided new players a level playing field without being crushed by top tier decks. Tcg live destroyed this leniency and it prompts new players to spend real money. Too bad. Too greedy. Fortunately, i quit after tcgo gone.

[@rept7]

The video is an interesting look into a game I remember playing post-covid, but I think there's better language to use to describe the phenomenon of TCGs where people don't like effectively gacha-ing/gambling for good cards VS people who like feeling as if they own something valuable.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

I don't think so, but I am open to suggestions especially from you

[@rept7]

@@nerdSlayerstudioss I don't know about suggestions. I just got hit with whiplash when the ability to trade cards or not was referred to as capitalism vs socialism. I even agree with the points in general. While I don't consider myself anything more than a casual card game player, I know I'd love to have a much easier time building a deck in Duel Links by just trading cards I don't want or need for cards in an archetype I actually want.

[@Eroamagorath]

@@rept7 damn, mate, sounds like the people with whom you talked about it don't make cohesive arguments at all.

[@AT7outof10]

Never got to transfer my account to the new game cuz the login details were lost. Atleast I still own the real life cards lol

[@arrowrandoman]

This is one of the only games I've played that could ever be on this series. I was just starting to lose interest at the time though, so I had forgotten about it until I saw this.

[@MarioCashy]

I Loved pokemon Tcg online i just loved everything abt it, i started playing right before my High Schools exams that quite literally might define my life ( Jan to June 2023), I played Tcgo while studying and everything, on that fatefull day when i logged on and couldn't play i felt so heart broken, i long for it again, i tried going over to tcgLive but it was so bogus i hate everything abt it, it's just trash, To this day i miss Tcgonline, All i play now Is gwent and Chess, and ik Gwent is gonna shut down sooner or later.

[@soupbeans8379]

TCG Live ruined it for me. Abandoned an account with thousands of dollars worth of cards in it.

[@MintyMewVT]

What I find funny about this video is that now even pokemon TCG Live is being replace by Pokemon Pocket and its not even that old XD

[@Evil_Befall]

They announced a new tcg on pokemon day for mobile i hope it's good I used to play TCG online alot i beat every bot on every difficulty , somtimes it was frustating . But i bought lot of irl decks that had a code and you can use the deck in the game

[@PluckyInc]

I think i already saw alarm bells going off the moment when they had some weird thing where a certain amount of unopened packs translated to crystals, presumably at some weird rate. like who'd give a shit if there's no tradable cards & packs at all? also, i'm unsure if this was a thing, but was TCG Online a western-only thing? i could honestly see the disparity between the number of cards between overseas and japanese booster packs being a thing. if the new TCG game was accounting the japanese audience, then i could kind of see why it jumped the edge. That and the Pokemon Trainer Club unlocks was kind of a western-only thing. think it was different from things like the pokemon GTS online and Dream World stuff...maybe. i know there was a old system where you just earned coins, which you used to buy acessories for your avatar (that might have trickled down into the TCG online game?) Also they just announced what's essentially Pokemon Duel Links during pokemon day. 🤢

[@Bino9898]

How is artificially boosting the price of something in a closed market capitalism? Its kind of the opposite...

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

It's not a closed market though? And in what do you mean by "artificially boosting the price", that's not how markets work bud.

[@JChaosMaster]

Another thing that kinda suckex about pokemon cards was they never had more hand held games. The Game boy color game was great but sucked we never got thr proper second game. Also never got a GBA or Ds game compaired to Yugioh that had like 4 on every system

[@Gabhom9]

I used a lot TCG online but i hated the new app could never ajust and ultimately i left the game alone.

[@damiantrudeau2332]

I only collect Pokemon cards plus I play pokemon showdown which if you don't know it's competitive. I still love pokemon.

[@stormtrooperge]

i'm curious how you compare this to yugiohs master duel or mtgs arena

[@spleenya]

Something that wasn't mentioned in the video is the games incredibly strange method by which you purchase packs for real money. You can not spend money on packs directly through the game; what you have to do is buy a physical pokemon tcg pack which comes with a card with a code on it to get a pack in game. This made packs in game vulnerable to real world tcg prices and shortages.

[@Entropic_Alloy]

PTCG Code cards usually are fairly inexpensive. The problem is that with PTCGO chase cards for decks would run 30+ code cards, which would mean you'd either spend that many on packs or get the code cards for a quarter each.

[@williampounds5191]

It's the exact opposite. Codes are RIDICULOUSLY cheap because most people buying real packs of Pokemon cards do not want the codes and offload them for cents on the dollar. You can buy 120 packs for 20-30 dollars! Buying codes for packs in this game is literally 10x cheaper than any other digital card game. It's the BEST thing about the digital version of pokemon.

[@stitches4714]

Why does this video remind me of chaotic so much right now

[@kv1_t34]

The socialism × capitalism perspective to explain the "owning cards" debate is weird, I dont see the connection, or rather, I see it, its just that it doesnt make a ton of sense. Where did it come from? Did you see a debate somewhere about those topics ij regards to card games? If its a conclusion you found, what was your reasoning?

[@OrganicStuff1]

People going wild on TCG player like scamming grading cards it ssuch juicy drama

[@Scresho202]

Yugioh Online (1 & 2 & 3) next? Had a pretty crazy monitization in the beginning :D

[@chanoname4940]

Pokemon TCG fail because it won't let you buy the damn boosters pack online

[@IcyLucario]

Apologies for giving a lengthier response to the video than the community post...I had intended to write something out but never got around to it. Regardless: Damn this hurts. Ironically, I heavily praised PTCGO =because= it was consumer-friendly. I get that TCGS inherently have a gambly/pay-to-win aspect, but the PTCGO genuinely did it best. Something I liked is that there was no battlepass, it rewarded you by simply playing. The best of which was tournament tickets which you could then use to enter tournaments. If you got anywhere higher than the first bracket, you'd be earning tradable packs. Meaning you got something that was effectively the common currency for the trade system. You got rewarded for playing, which you could use to test your skills, which you could then get tangible, meaningful rewards. Other TCGS don't do that. This one did. I had tried many other online TCGS and none of them compared. Please don't mind my reminiscing, because this might be the last chance I will get: I had 5000+ games played. over 1000 of those games were with an original deck of (almost) entirely Lucario cards, which had a 70%+ winrate. I traded for all the cards to make that deck as much of a needless flex as possible. I made every card I could full art or reverse holo, golden trainer cards, I even traded for holo energy cards. That deck probably struck fear and confusion into all who saw it. A weirdo with a lucario username, lucario sleeves, lucario coin, and some wack-ass completely off-meta lucario deck. I liked that deck so much I actually bought all the cards (at least the non full art ones) so I could have the deck in real life. I even looked so hard for a certain promo card I had to buy it overseas because it was the only site that I could find it on. (It wasn't expensive, because I'm pretty much the only few people who even want it.) Point is, to see it replaced with this utter garbage is somehow both incredibly bewildering, and completely on brand for Pokemon. They will never make a good game unless they are forced to do so. The new game is just such a soulless corporate husk. How on earth did they ignore the TRADING CARD aspect of it? Too many games get made by people who clearly have no idea what the point of the games even are. Random note: the game had a chat, which they ended up restricting to the lobby. With that you could invite people for a 1v1 battle. So many people had so many cards that I made a fun game I'd invite randoms for: Random Battle. The game had a Deck Wizard that would try to auto-make a deck for you based on what cards you select. It was =awful=... Which was fun. Tell it to have no type restrictions and to select two random cards from your entire collection and it would produce the most nonsense decks imaginable. Get a random to join you and you and the both of you make a randomized deck without making edits to it and then battle eachother and struggle with the results. Nobody else really did this besides me, but man, was it fun. Stuff like that (like you mentioned in the video) was the type of thing they could have added officially to spice things up. Elder Scrolls Legends had a randomized tournament somewhat like this.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Your perspective helped and continues to help, thanks for your thoughts!

[@ThatOtherRaccoon]

I’d heard of this game but never played it.

[@BigDaddyKai620]

All they had to do was sell us packs and the game would have stayed alive but now we have this crappy version and I'm missing a lot of cards

[@XmortoxX1990]

Can you make a DOAG about Legends of Runeterra? That game is chrrently on mantainance mode

[@JoeyMajor-lq2xk]

It’s not dead. I still have the app on my phone and on my PC.

[@UncleHowdy_WWE]

But you can no longer play it because the servers are offline so it's dead

[@Mojaveknight17]

Hello Detective Dreams Pokemon? I'd love a video on Palworld or Ips that Pokemon have destroyed years ago.