DEBATE: Have Liverpool ‘Peaked’ Under Klopp?

[@WINGSTARX]

Adding someone like Craig to this chat really improved the group and the overall pod chat, stopped watching for fair bit now but you got me back True G

[@areebsiddiqui758]

Man thinks Van Dijk is better than Terry.

[@phoenixreborn6065]

Each to their own but to me personally I just find him REALLY annoying and he takes away from the group.

[@Heizzer47]

@@phoenixreborn6065he’s usually unbearable but he was talking facts constantly in this

[@dannyduggan4324]

JT was leading a team to a title in 2005 and part of the best defensive record ever. 10 years later he was still winning titles in the center of defence under Jose in 2015. People let their hatred of the man cloud their judgment.

[@MrSupplementScene]

Those Chelsea teams parked the bus. Much easier to defend behind a parked bus.

[@Liam-fq7nc]

@@MrSupplementScene The Chelsea team in 2005 parked the bus? Don't be silly. Just because you're good at defending, doesn't mean you're defensive. They blew teams away. Go and watch again pal.

[@advenco344]

@@Liam-fq7nc they didn’t “blow teams away”. Chelsea in 04-05 scored 72 goals for an average of 1.89 goals per game. Teams that finished 4-5th in the PL scored more goals than that. It’s obvious that Chelsea played a very defensive style. By the way, when John Terry played in Ancelotti’s more attacking system in 09-10, he looked terrible.

[@Liam-fq7nc]

@@advenco344 JT looked terrible in Carlo’s team? We’re just making stuff up now. Have a day off

[@advenco344]

@@Liam-fq7nc he did, did you watch them back then?

[@jackbarton4938]

If you're talking physical attributes in the past 4 seasons before this, Van Dijk is almost beyond comparison in strength, agility, and speed. But Brian is right, when all those start to fade, you see whether a defender is really smart or not. Players like Terry never had any pace or superhuman strength to lose, which makes him all the more impressive.

[@ethanwhittaker9410]

You have nailed it there

[@HT008]

not really, terry played for Chelsea who always play a low block. Then went to villa and again they play a low block that suits him as he doesn't have to worry behind him. The style the team plays helps a player longevity wise big time.

[@PsYcHoSiS11]

@@HT008 I mean to say that is just to completely admit you never watched Chelsea when Terry played for us lmao

[@PsYcHoSiS11]

@@HT008 also he never played for Villa, he was assistant manager 🤦🏻

[@fusionz0722]

Couldn’t agree more. You hit the nail on the head, would also put the likes of Tony Adam’s and Jaap Staam in with Terry in that regard 👍🏽

[@JesseShortss]

They’ve burned out They need a rebuild ASAP

[@artursfilipovs4923]

Yup they have been class since 2017 now it's time to rebuild the squad

[@anurag5851]

rebuild? lol they have spend way above man city in last 5 years.. When will the rebuild be completed?

[@KnightwingNinja]

How can Van Dijk be above Terry. Terry had long term success while Van Dijks was much shorter term

[@roronoalaw7772]

Van Dijk’ peak from 2019-2020 was better than Terry’s but Terry is still above in longevity

[@do7137]

terrys peak is still above van dijks mitch’s ball knowledge is nonexistent

[@roronoalaw7772]

@@do7137 Van Dijk literally only got dribbled past once in 2019, that’s insane

[@do7137]

@@roronoalaw7772 terry conceded 15 goals in a prem? that’s the currency i judge cbs by

[@scottslade7468]

Some people tried comparing him to Ramos.

[@Peruzzi10]

The reason Trent is criticized more than any of the other defenders is because of his attitude… it is like he is not even trying

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

And his questionable conduct off the pitch…

[@JeffNghtly]

​@XXXTENTAClON what's he done off the pitch?

[@clearthelane2432]

@@XXXTENTAClON227 clown

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

@@JeffNghtly is this seriously niche knowledge? A Liverpool fan asked him for a shirt for his birthday for her boyfriend, and Trent tried to shag her. Trent said it would “be an honour” for the fan if Trent was to “fuck his pregnant girlfriend”. He thinks he’s God

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

@@clearthelane2432 you don’t count since you’re a cuck and you’d like Trent shagging your pregnant girlfriend

[@forreal7403]

people forget Van dijk lost by 0.3% of getting the Ballond'or against Lionel Messi. Most complete defender I've seen in a long time. Guy at his peak literally had no flaw. Had passing, scoring, heading, clearance, tackles, containing, pace, composure, strength, agility, intelligence, calmness like wtf else do you want in a defender, he had it all at his peak. Then Pickford sliced him in two unfortunately

[@thetruth4654]

Would have been a straight up robbery if VVD had won it over the likes of Messi or Ronaldo. VVD had an amazing peak, but he is one of the most overrated players of all time, the fact that people try to compare him with the likes of Rio, Vidic, Terry, Kompany, Cambell etc is absolutely insane. Like for for sucks sakes, the man got comapred to Paolo Maldini and VVd has had what 1-2 seasons being unbeliveable.

[@tylerdordon99]

Yeah but his "peak" lasted for like a season and a half max...

[@Jared7628]

@@thetruth4654 he deserves it. People have memory loss in football but if u dont rember ppl were saying messis win was a robery

[@migzmor]

​​@@thetruth4654 he would of definitely deserved it, people normally forget that the balon d'Or is about performance and vvd was the best CB in the world and the most complete player that year, just cuz he isn't a flashy goal scorer he had no chnace of wining it, and yet they gave benzema won a balon d'Or for being the best goal scorer, soo why can't vvd win it when he was the best CB and most complete player in he's prime season ,there should be a trophy equivalent to a balon d'Or for defenders

[@mosespelican3507]

Yeah it’s just a coincidence that his peak was when Klopp played 3 CDMs…and when Klopp got Keita and Thiago his peak also went away

[@MazzaProductions2019]

Craig might be the most level headed Liverpool fan I’ve ever seen

[@pacman7687]

Oh he really isn’t mate 😂

[@benlmk97775]

You should watch his streams 😂

[@kevinmillar1122]

He is a clown 😂

[@kevinmillar1122]

He is a clown 😂

[@anandmahamuni5442]

Nah this man is mad, he said Henderson is better than Scholes🤣

[@warrenmcgreevy4590]

I don’t see it as just “one bad season” for Virgil, I see it as only 3 good season compared to the likes of Terry, Rio, Kompany, Cahill, Vidic, who have all had at least 3+ good seasons

[@davyprendergast82]

To be fair in every season he has been at a top club apart from this one (and the one he didn't play after the Pickford tackle) he has been world class, it's just unfortunate he had to take the long route to liverpool via celtic and saints. Let's see how the rest of his career pans out. Pretty sure when Liverpool's midfield is fixed with new signings he'll have less to clear up and get his confidence and self assurance back.

[@NormanGilbert10]

Man said cahil hahaha

[@warrenmcgreevy4590]

@@NormanGilbert10 you seriously think Gary Cahill isn’t a premier league great?

[@ingolf82]

is that fair though? Did he not have a good season at Southampton before we bought him? it's unfair to say Virgil Van Djik has only been good for 3 seasons. Not only that, he reached the heights none of those players ever did. He was a few votes short of winning the Ballon d'Or. You can argue it was unfairly stolen from him by Messi that year. I think the difference was less than 10 votes. none of the above players achieved this.

[@FromPanictoParis]

Love how you snuck Gary Cahill in here 🤣. Might aswel throw in John o shea and wes brown

[@PencilBubble25]

The players have peaked, Klopp hasn't. Give him the players he wants and he creates his magic again. Obviously it's never that simple but I believe Klopp still has a long way to go until he has peaked.

[@iainsteele5737]

klopp has never rebuilt a team, why do you think he can?

[@georgidimov4502]

@@iainsteele5737check the team in his debut in 2015 and then in the 2019 UCL final and you’ll understand that you’re talking BS

[@Kloppsserialbottlers]

@@georgidimov4502 Check Iains sentence again, find the error in your initial digestion of the information it contained and come back to apologise Georgi.

[@georgidimov4502]

@@Kloppsserialbottlers Bro I looked at your nickname and I understand you’re such a troll, so you’re telling me that Klopp didn’t rebuild the team that Rodgers left everything was a mess back in 2015, in 1 year time next year when Klopp rebuild again now this team with 3 fresh new midfielders and 1 CB you will comeback and apologise clown

[@darkwhale-og9ig]

nah dead club and supporters. klopp should manage germany

[@darraghdawson8088]

Loving the new cast for TKO I still watch the other lads on the club but I think this new group brings some great dynamics too, would love to see KG on more for some United representation

[@barry4649]

The Irish Guy, the bald Irish fella that supports Liverpool, KG, and a different guest would be a good formula

[@emi6285]

In Summary the Kick Off are delivering better opinions while The Club lads are straight comedy and banter

[@timdurgan]

The Club lads are great but they often just argued and talked over each other like kids. This panel is more mature

[@CasperCohen]

Vidic, Terry, Kompany, Ferdinand, Desailly, and Stam all better than Van Dijk just to name a few. Never top 2 of all time lmao

[@Calamari5]

Sol Campbell, Tony Adams, Ledley King too

[@fivestarman5130]

Kompany himself said that Van Dijk is the best Premier League defender of all time. Ferdinand ranked Van Dijk higher than Stam. Maldini has said Van Dijk is one of the best centre backs in history. No offense but I'd rate their ball knowledge over yours lol

[@CasperCohen]

@@fivestarman5130 you’re right let’s all just deep throat ex players and not watch the games ourselves lol Ballon d’or winner Michael Owen and Agbonlahor do have elite ball knowledge as well

[@mrkipling2201]

Bruce and Pallister........

[@tokilladaemon]

Here's the thing. Van dijk in his best season is probably the goat, and better than any of them you mentioned for sure, but his peak only lasted two seasons. Its a matter of opinion on how you judge these things

[@spsawyer22]

The comment about them working so hard for the Quadruple last year and only getting the FA Cup and League Cup and then being shattered by that is so true. They didn't even get a parade for winning that first league title because it was COVID lockdown times. Team is mentally shattered

[@beefsuprem0241]

Blue Hoody is easily the most annoying person in the room.

[@jarvismarvis8900]

Very

[@thetruth4654]

Yes, his career follows a pattern 1.Rebuild 2.Dominance for 3-4 seasons 3.Then it is followed by a decline

[@vikingfrog7204]

Because he never gets to keep rebuilding. Pattern is something that repeats 3 times plus ..You're going off Dortmund and calling it a pattern.

[@thetruth4654]

@@vikingfrog7204 It happened at the club he was at before Dortmund aswell. The same thing happened at Mainz 05. So Liverpool is the third time it has happened.

[@footyball66]

@@vikingfrog7204 he bought Jota, Diaz, Nunez. Losing Mane was the biggest mistake.

[@vikingfrog7204]

@@thetruth4654 he left Mainz for Dortmund not because of the decline he did well

[@vikingfrog7204]

@@TSOTL-0302 yeah the research will tell you it all comes down to lack of investment and at Dortmund letting big players go to Bayern you can't cherry pick to suit a shitty agenda. At mainz they didn't have the financial resources to reboot. But hey let's blame klopp. Same here Fenway waited until this coming summer to back klopp which they're doing for the tune of 260 million.

[@awfan221]

Kompany definitely deserves the respect he's been getting, I'm noticing it from other top defenders though. One of the impressive bits about him that's never mentioned is how he adjusted to Pep's system. Kompany was always safety first under Manc and Pells, I have to say I was shocked to see him buy into Pep's philosophy of a wide centerback playing it out from the back. His technical ability seemed to rocket in that 2017-18 season, I was like wtf since when can he pass this well

[@connoisseur1015]

Love seeing Craig on the show!!!

[@bailey8715]

8:40 As an arsenal fan i’d personally say no. Yes I think we’ve been brilliant this year, but the City team that the Liverpool team we’re fighting against were just different.

[@percytillman6030]

Yes! Klopp is great, but extremely stubborn. The best managers can adapt to the players' strengths.

[@C4m4r0]

I would say maybe the current batch of players has but maybe not the club

[@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIPKIIIIIIIIIIIIII]

I've never seen with another player ever, the way that Van Dijk used to literally put people off attacking against him. Strikers would just give up, and he had that veil or aura around him that you just was going to come out 2nd best. The only other time I felt that about a defender before was prime Nemanja Vidic in 1 or 2 seasons for man utd.

[@jc_galvaneal1181]

Way to go Craig!!

[@samuelbrown3326]

tbh the issue is the spine of liverpool is what’s fractured. Klopp is definitely not the issue but the inability to rebuild the team when on top is the problem. Hendo milner and fab are all shadows of players they were the season previous and thiagos injuries getting worse and worse, it shows they need well more than jude. Sir alex and even pep with city are examples of changing ur team slightly while on top, while klopp has his favourites that might be his downfall

[@Zackknab]

Love having @anfieldagenda representing on the channel!!!

[@EmpireFanatic]

You can dislike Terry as much as you want, But he is top 3 PL Center backs of all time. Van Dijk is probably in The top 10 list, nothing more. 3 good seasons doesnt make you a goat. Terry has Van Dijk beat for heart, self sacrifice, longevity, leadership, effort, less injury prone, trophies, clean sheets ratio, ant not least of all, GOALS, JT scored 50+ goals as a Chelsea player. And I could go on. Football Ability wise Van Dijk is his equal at best, nothing more…

[@gregconway736]

The Van Dijk injury didn't stop him bring brilliant last season. I think the injury isn't the main reason for his decline this season.

[@JD-hx7yd]

What is the reason then?

[@yichengyi]

CRAAIIIIG!!! Great job, bruv!

[@Shhdjdhdh]

Klopp is the man. I don’t want him sacked. But if he was to be sacked , I’d want Thomas frank as manager. I legit think he’d be a good fit

[@jamiebyrne3416]

Chris smalling guy saying Trent is his bro and then tries to go on a stupid defence of him. Clown.

[@novelty8theory494]

Just because hes black and woke. If a but if a white person spoke like that there would be up roar.

[@alexbg9658]

I really think it's time for Trent to move up the field now, he's a natural midfielder. He's clearly struggling to get back and is targeted week in week out by almost every team we play against. As for his replacement I wouldn't mind seeing Gomez go there for a while, he's played better in that position than he has CB in the last year. Just my two cents on it

[@junioradult6219]

Hes not gonna work any harder in the mid which is what he would have to do. Everything trent is bad at in def he would still be bad at in midfield

[@alexbg9658]

@@junioradult6219 I dunno about that, he might enjoy his game a bit more without the added pressure. He's too good to not try it at least

[@androsc1418]

@@junioradult6219 Make him a striker with no need to track back.

[@APCSW19]

Enjoying the new line up. Good chat.

[@1STMAN]

Agree with the VVD comments. Look at Dias at City, slow, not huge, just a ridiculous defender

[@stephenbingham3235]

Craig is so unbiased it’s great to see, he’s actually called klopp out quite a lot this season, also has called trent VVD Salah all out when other Liverpool fans don’t! 👍🏻

[@footypanda4604]

You ungrateful git! How you saying Salah out?

[@shaun8141]

This is alot better without the professional victim on 👍

[@samwellard7]

Who’s he talking about? Haha

[@footballflag6866]

Mr racism

[@PencilBubble25]

@@samwellard7 the black Arsenal fan who blames stuff on racism.

[@samwellard7]

Robbie?

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

@@PencilBubble25 “black arsenal fan” Erm that doesn’t narrow it down

[@MrUncsucks]

The credibility on this show has dropped so low. Virgil will never be better than terry or rio

[@davyprendergast82]

He was better than both of them for two year prior to injury. Didn't even get dribbled past once in over a whole season lol

[@alextv293]

@@davyprendergast82 that’s not how it works kid, know one remembers one season wonders. The lack of longevity killed his career.

[@jarvismarvis8900]

@@alextv293 they do the same with deli Ali don’t they you need 5 10 good seasons ppl forget maldini giggs scholes ibra done it years man messi Ronny

[@davyprendergast82]

@@alextv293 Kid? I'm in my forties you crank. 1 season no dribbles past him, 5 seasons being an epic defender until this season, with one out injured. One season wonder? You're having a laugh

[@davyprendergast82]

He's just putting the cogs in place again. Took him about 2 or 3 years first time round, now it's time to transition, it might take two or three years again, 1 year almost up. I bet its a steady imrovement from summer onwards provided the right two or three signings come in each window, with dominance again a year after that

[@junioradult6219]

The problem is hes trying to play same formation and tactics from 7 years ago. He needs to evolve but i dont hink he can

[@davyprendergast82]

@@junioradult6219 That's not fair IMO, he's played all sorts of tactics in many seasons. He was full on gegenpressing first few seasons, but then he became more possession focused and really shut up shop amazingly well 2018-20. He will evolve more with new players and crucially with fans positivity and support rather than rage at every bad result. Remember that last minute draw and crowd salute at home to west brom? That would never happen today! That's the energy the fans need to bring, not the constant criticism of the board and particularly of club legends like Hendo. Honestly I think the new players just need to gel. I think Nunez and Gakpo are going to be serious players, and just haven't got over Mane leaving yet.

[@straightouttacornwall]

Villa fan here. We started the season abysmally under Gerard and basically have the same team that Dean Smith brought in yet we have turned it around, why? Because we have a manager who knows how to get best of the squad. Food for thought :)

[@davyprendergast82]

@Straight Outta Cornwall sure but Klopp has more credits in the bank than Gerrard or Smith! Yes, Emery doing a great job so far. But don't get too comfortable. There is pretty much no statistical significance in a new manager having a decent 15 game spell or however many it has been. All sorts of managers who turned out to be less than ideal have had such runs of form, even the likes of Ian Holloway at Blackpool, or Marco Silva etc

[@straightouttacornwall]

@@davyprendergast82 You cant fire Klopp. Hes not turned into a bad manager overnight but I think last season killed the team, way too many matches

[@lowercentenary]

Haha...have city peaked? Have madrid peaked? Have those coaches peaked? The only difference between them and klopp is the vast sums of money propping up the likes of ancelotti and pep. If klopp could buy ANY player liverpool would have pummeled clubs like city and madrid back to the stone age

[@paulcasey4282]

Maybe he hasn’t been at his best. What an understatement. I get you might not want to criticise your friend but then you aren’t able to do your job.

[@ActiveArron]

It’s a crazy crammed season with a World Cup in between. There is every chance after peak intensity last season he’s periodised training this year so they can ramp the intensity back up next year

[@broccolipasta7605]

The way I see it, last season we did 2 seasons worth of work, so the trough from the highs of last season is understandable. It's also clear signing are needed for the rebuild to be complete. Watch out for us next season when that happens.

[@Maj1794]

Craig saying vvd is 2nd best defender in premier league history is wild 😳

[@imascrew6218]

Deluded pool fans are always deluded, he is at best top 8

[@manuelvargas3086]

These are the players who can actually look at themselves positively this season For sure: Alisson Konate Bajcetic Elliot Salah Darwin Maybe: Gakpo Robertson Firmino Everyone else in the squad has been dreadful and only 1 defender can 100% look at themselves and say “Well I haven’t been that bad” and that’s Ibou

[@jacknelson927]

Konate has been questionable this season How are ya not mentioning Keith and chamberlain aswell the two members living in the medical room

[@Joseperez-oz7to]

Lol klopp is the only manager that DESERVES time.

[@crLiam]

It's not about having 1 bad season. It's about the fact he didn't do it at the top level for as near as long as others. His peak was great but it was short. For that reason the others where better. It took him too long to get to the top level.

[@dannyupthereds4729]

12:02 the truest and yet saddest thing about football fans

[@emi6285]

I think Klopp has “peaked” in terms of trying to work miracles without reliable funds. The league is getting a lot tougher, teams are getting stronger and there’s new rich owners coming to rival clubs. Now, if FSG put their hands in their pockets and provide him with the steady funds he needs to renew the squad and add who he needs to improve the squad then I think there is no peak again and he can continue to do what he does best.

[@sharathreddy8160]

The most notable thing to note is that klopp hates skill. Gets rid of wijnaldum, mane and minamino. Converts fabinho into an unskilled player. Uses Trent as a rb when he has no ability to defend. Keeps bland useless players like ox, Jones, Keith etc. Does not change tactics when his system does not work this season. The clear pattern is low on tactical and technical nous.

[@HT008]

Liverpool are simply a boxer who have gone for all the belts wanting to be undisputed only to win 2 and lose 1 on a split decision and one on a last minute knockout. Mentally drained and that has them made them weak. No doubt in the summer they will get rid of so much dead wood (Naby, Ox, Milner, Firmino, Jones, Matip) sign 3/4 top class players (Nunes, Givarldol, Jude/Rice, Kone) and after a summer of rest come back flying again. If anything it would be better to miss out on europe altogether and just focus on the league next season.

[@tylerwilkinson9691]

I don’t think Liverpool are necessarily “burnt out” but I think if Liverpool and klopp don’t have a serious rebuild for the first time ever I think klopp will be seriously burnt out, he’s probably gone next season if this stays the same

[@airwolfalete]

Jurgen klopp in his reign has won 1 of ever trophy there is to win has finished second twice going to final day on both occasions been in 3 champions league finals winning 1 of them this man can have his head held high as he has given us our best team since the 80's no one should ever diminish he amazing achievements at this amazing club

[@chrisgiles40]

Most memorable moment for John Terry despite his cup wins, was when he slipped onto his arse taking that penalty against United in a penalty shoot out. 😂

[@soccerloop8513]

2:11 anyone else thinking what the fuck is he talking about?

[@VARMOT123]

No one witha sense would compare bayern's squad with Liverpool . Bayern's completely different second string team is better than Liverpool's first team on paper

[@junioradult6219]

I dont know about this seasons bayern. They are no were close to as good as they use to be. Just like liv

[@SLM3573]

Liverpool with limited resources were trying to keep up with City who have spent over a billion and most likely broken multiple FFP rules. The fact they won a league and a CL is amazing. We lost the league twice by a point, we had points totals that would have won the league in almost every PL season. If it werent for City Klopp would have had at least 3 Premier Leagues.

[@shazanali692]

Truth you can't have American investors taking on oil titans

[@JesseShortss]

Irish guy is just accessing everyone for the first five minutes 😂

[@damienleen1437]

His name is Craig not Irish Guy!!!

[@zachausler-rawle3773]

van dijk simply does not sit at the same table as rio, terry, vidic

[@kennethkelleherp5324]

For me, as great as Van Dijk was, the injuries have taken away what made him great. I know the whole team is in a bit of a mess but I don’t see him getting close to the levels he was at even if they address midfield, TAA gets back to form etc. He lacks the defensive intelligence of a Terry or even a Ferdinand or Kompany who also relied somewhat on their speed/power. The Italian defenders like Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Baresi etc all played at a world class level deep into their 30s. They mastered the defensive fundamentals so never had to rely on their psychical attributes. I think it was Maldini who said if you have to make a sliding tackle you’ve already made a mistake. Van Dijk doesn’t seem to possess this.

[@GB-cs8xu]

Vidic, Rio, Terry, Kompany all miles ahead of VVD. Probably more but they're the ones that really stick out

[@WEASELWAZEL242]

I agree but Terry is by far the best by a country mile

[@LfcDee]

So much TAA slander, the manager must give him a certain amount of freedom to get forward to way he does. Why doesn’t the manager have a midfielder on the right who’s capable of covering TAA? This form can’t all be down to TAA and the go to man to blame for the whole team. Attitude, body language always thrown at certain players when teams ain’t performing I.E Rashford, Sterling, whilst other players get off Scot-free

[@kkoketv]

We r not getting rid of Klopp over one bad season

[@garethdavies2145]

It does seem a lot calmer these days when I watch.

[@TheInternationalist]

Over reliance on the starting 11 while waiting for a crisis to emerge before making strategic signings.

[@peterspaulding5584]

The points tally that Liverpool have had is unprecedented for a team that has not a ton of trophies. I do think it’ll be remembered, especially if City gets busted for something.

[@kaherrr18]

Van Dijk a better defender then John Terry???? What are you smoking???😂😂

[@g.g.baxter4868]

Liverpool dont need to spend 150m on Bellingham, they need 5 or 6 30m players. Nevez and Ward-Prowse would be great signings to replace Ox, Milner, Keita. Someone like Walker-Peters to be a more defensive cover to Trent. Theres players available, players Klopp could improve

[@Mohammed-dy6xb]

No Klopp doesn't have blood Oil $$$ and a country backed Owner !! He thought the midfield would do it for another year or 2 but miscalculated....badly !!

[@chrisdobson783]

The spine is broken. We some of the best players in the world at GK, CB and ST. Fabinho was supposed to hold the midfield for another 2-3 years to allow for the next generation of players to come in. He has broken down unexpectedly, resulting in the breaking of the spine through the middle.

[@Munkybhai]

JT played mostly in compact teams, whilst VVD is trusted to play 1 on 1, sometimes 2 on 1. There was a period of time where VVD was so imperious, no one took him on because they didn't want like kids playing against their dad. JT never had that. Then that prat at Everton had to go injure him. It was like someone taking a hammer to the statue of David.

[@oliverheaney3379]

Great to see the man himself Craig on here.. great analysis again guys 👍👍

[@youngwolf6896]

Horror take on vvd

[@robbiecale3327]

How?

[@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371]

​@@robbiecale3327has never been better than john terry, to put him as the second best PL defender ever is an insult.

[@usernameloading4695]

@@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371 him and Terry are the all time PL back two

[@Dylan_A526]

​@@usernameloading4695 Don't be stupid.

[@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371]

@@usernameloading4695 he's won one PL title mate, are we really just going to discount ferdinand, vidic, campbell and kompany who've all won more titles and enjoyed a longer prime. You're not the 2nd best PL defender ever if you were still playing for southampton at 26.

[@robski9616]

1. Jaap Stam 2. Rio Ferdinand 3. Tony Adams 4. John Terry 5. Vidic

[@ljunyreona9882]

I do really believed that Klop will be happy to be sack,he looks like he don't have energy left to build another project.Comparing Poch to Klop team is mentally mad.

[@andywaterworth4570]

I dont know why Klopp doesnt change to a 532 away from home, or 523. That would give TTA and Robertson some cover in behind but allow them to bomb on. Could keep two up top, with Elliot in the Mid 3, happy o help join the attack. Klopps trying to play his Gegenpress 1-00mph football without the players to play it.

[@THAIRISH_92]

Defending was done higher up in attack and midfield, if they got past that, then Fabinho and Matip would step in before anyone got to VVD. VVD didn’t have much defending to do, he was a glorified sweeper. Now the entire team and system is broken, he has much more defensive duties now so therefore his true abilities have been exposed.

[@daniyalwaliaziz6500]

for me top 5 CBs in premier league History are: 1. Vidić 2. Rio 3. Kompany 4. Terry 5. Adams to be honest, I would have Jaap Stam and Thiago Silva ahead of Van Dijk, I'm a Dutch fan and if I'm honest De Ligt's been the best dutch CB since 2019, sure he had a few bad games but the heart and passion that de ligt plays with is miles ahead of Virgil, don't get me wrong I'll like van dijk, I was rooting for in the 2019 ballon d'or race but van dijk doesn't inspire you to love defending like those other legends do, to be completely blunt, holland play with a back 5 but van dijk won't start:- Malacia De ligt Botman Timber Frimpong

[@turkishfut2186]

Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Nemanja Vidic >Virgil van Dijk

[@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371]

Van dijk is not the second best PL defender ever. He's not even in the top 5. He only has one premier league title ffs

[@Peruzzi10]

Liverpool has been overachieving in my book. Considering what other teams have spent or invested in their squad. Now it’s time for FSG to splash the cash for a rebuild

[@jacknelson927]

Fsg splash the cash not with their budget

[@oliverheaney3379]

Spot on jordie.. when the legs go you then know how good a center back is

[@greyest3614]

If Klopp left tomorrow he would walk into any club

[@androsc1418]

Everyone knows rechargeable batteries have a shelf life. Klopp cannot go on recharging originally home-made battery packs.

[@chrismullan2125]

I'm a Liverpool fan, but Rio, Terry, Vidic & Konpany all get in a Prem XI before VVD. He's had the single greatest individual season amongst all of them but longevity and legacy matter. He has been honking this season, and has been getting bossed by forwards game after game recently. Talk about losing a step etc he's 31. Not exactly an age we're you consider a centre half would be passed it, especially given that he keeps himself in great shape. What's infuriating, and the same was said of Trent, because of the lax demeanour in which they carry themselves, unless they are playing well they offer little to the tram and is obvious to see. Where as with Robbo, Matip etc they will at least run themselves in to the ground and their frustration is obvious, they can't hide it.

[@Shamusving]

Terry Ferdinand Kompany Adams Vidic Van Dijk Riccardo Carvalho That's my list, it might be controversial, I only saw three of them for multiple seasons but I know of how good some of these guys were. I'm sure I'm missing a few off the top of my head that might crack the list but that's it at the moment

[@jamesthomas6164]

Stam for me is probably the best the Premier League has seen 3 Premier Leagues in 3 seasons and treble in his first. People seem to forget how amazing Stam actually was.

[@imascrew6218]

Adams above Kompany Vidic below VVD , and you got it right

[@CianOMahonyYT]

Great to see 2 Irish people on the kick off

[@Slim-Clips]

With a few suitable midfield signings in the summer, they’ll be back.

[@Mcdrumss]

There is a core of Liverpool players that can be in the second Liverpool team but there has to be adjustments. Alison, Robo, Virgil, Trent and maybe Mo. for me trent has to be in a midfield position. There is no way that tremt can’t play in there. He’s been one of our best players but teams have a blue print in him as a rb. Double up on him and run in behind that space he leaves open. The rest like Henderson, need to become squad players. They are good still good to start games but more than a game a week their legs fall off. There needs to be new blood and fresh legs in this squad. It’s been coming now and Klopp has managed to keep this group of players going for a long time. We should have been investing in pervious windows and it’s finally turned on us and we haven’t turned the days over quickly enough to stay at the top while rebuilding. Liverpool will get back there with Klopp but it might take another inconsistent season like this or slightly better than this one. Very frustrating

[@KaiGarcia-vx6js]

You want to compare Nagelsmann time at Bayern with Klopp at Liverpool. Liverpool was not a winner or a second place before Klopp, Bayern essentially wins the Bundesliga when they want. They slack a bit at the beginning of the year, but its always in the bag. Liverpool under Klopp can rebuild anytime, Klopp in team like Bayern, City, Madrid, Barcelona... it's over for everyone else.

[@FromPanictoParis]

Was enjoying this until the lad said van dijk is the second best defender in the premier league EVER. Vidic , terry , kompany all levels ahead. And multiple premier league titles. That Liverpool side has one premier league title and they say most of that team are the best players ever in their position it's absolutely mind boggling. Trent best RB , Robertson best ever LB , van dijk best ever cb , Salah best winger ever , 1 premier league title between them all it's absolutely crazy. Good they are all getting found out now. World class players win titles for 5-10 years straight not once and then barely make top 4 for 2 seasons after winning a title. It's madness so glad they are getting humbled. Absolutely beautiful football club tho and deserve more title success

[@jtadams8]

It’s not only the one bad season, it’s that he’s only had a few good ones and they’re speaking like he’s on the level of Terry, Rio, etc who had a decade of those world class seasons. His athleticism is going which is exposing him now.

[@cavanriley7373]

I think the players have down toolsed tbh. No way they go from performing like they did last season to this season all at once. It's a manager thing.

[@alphawollf5589]

Sacking Naggelsmann isn’t harsh. The league title race last season was way too close with Bayern barely winning by just 2 points. Really shouldn’t be that close. Then this year they’re sitting in second and there’s literally no good reason that Bayern should be in second place this late into the season. Especially to a Dortmund team thats this average. Yeah he was only a point off first but the fact that there is even a reasonable chance that they might not win the league is unacceptable. There’s a massive gap between them and the rest of league and the table should reflect that

[@timmy5876]

until we get new owners we won’t compete if we lose klopp. For liverpool to succeed they need to turn mid priced signings into world class players and very few managers can do that consistently

[@junioradult6219]

I think any manager who comes in and changes formation and tactics would do much better then klopp this season. The fact he keeps forcing a 433 highpress on a team everyone can see cant do it is shocking. 7 year curse could be real

[@darrenwalters6339]

5 years of perfection?? They’ve had 3 successful seasons out of 8 and retained nothing? VVD top 2 best CBs off all time behind rio? Get a grip? Stam, vidic, adams, terry, Campbell, kompany all ahead of him

[@graemebucknall2331]

FSG haven’t invested in this squad properly over the yrs

[@twizzler31]

They’ve not peaked under Klopp but his current team have. Team has aged, experienced players are now burnt out and their ability has faltered as a result. The sell to buy system they have has now come back to bite them. Left players too late to sell. They now have no resale value to buy quality in replacement. Big rebuild needed and it’s not a quick fix. Another transition season will occur but I’m more than happy to give Klopp the next season. He deserves the time. End of.

[@sandeepmenon6592]

JT won 5 PLs, the difference between the first and 5th was 10 years. You can't dismiss that kind of longevity at the top for a player who had 4-5 seasons at World Class level and missed two of them with injuries. VVD is a great player but not ahead of JT in PL all time greats

[@noell8460]

I'd like see VVD actually organising at the back, now he just looks around and shakes his head, as if, it's not his fault,

[@Juggy2K10]

The players under Klopp have come to an end. The rebuild has started with the front three. The mid field and defence needs the rebuild

[@draganmarkovic491]

Claiming that Virigl is second best defender in PL history is insane, it might be a bit less insane while he was still at his peek but right now it looks like he is a player who had a very high peek which lasted pretty short period...

[@airwolfalete]

pep came to a team that had previously won the title and threw a billion at it Jurgen klopp came to a team finishing 7th consistently and brought them to a champions league final in 3 years

[@fortchyx422]

You word things to suit you. Pep came to a team that only won 2 titles in 10 years, then DOMINATED and won 4 in 5. He took them from top 4 team to dominating the league, huge difference, pay your respects you disrespectful ignorant guy. Klopp came in and won almost nothing. WITH A BETTER TEAM than Pep. Do a combined 11 of city and lpool this last few years, there’s more liverpool players in it (before this season) : alisson, robertson, dias van dijk, trent, fabibho, kdb, silva/thiago, mane, firmino/sterling salah. Klopp had a better team