The REAL Reason Chelsea can’t beat Forest after spending a BILLION…

[@judehards8607]

Watching a football panel show that isn't completely creatively compromised by an intense need for clicks and interaction is so nice. Need more of it

[@j.3o21]

I do love a serious football chat.

[@konichiwaaa949]

old kick off is clear of this if im being honest

[@jackkennedy1787]

​@konichiwaaa949 hell no lol splitting was best for everyone

[@KingChaddii]

​@@jackkennedy1787true but it was better

[@jerelegendnw8347]

old kick of shits on this new show, it’s not bad tho

[@whatsmyname2783]

Really been loving these discussions recently. It makes a change when there’s not a group of fans shouting and screaming over eachofher. A great football discussion. Well done lads!

[@Jerrard232]

This panel is just so much better to watch, not trying to cause controversy for views! This is just a real chat with solid opinions

[@sheetsniffer]

Weird that it happens the second a Manchester United supporter isn’t present

[@24Argie]

I am really enjoying these chats lately. Some great new characters! Those two Chelsea lads are sound. This chat could have gone very differently but they’re both very level headed

[@Josh.aveste]

❤❤

[@masudrujel774]

TG has done really well with the new panel/ guests. Breath of fresh air that was needed

[@ADAMLFC92]

The problem is with Chelsea is that it's an ENTIRE new team, it's all youth, no experience.

[@chriswilson805]

Silva?

[@JKnight23]

@@chriswilson805a 38 year old declining centre half isn’t a resolution to the problem he’s suggesting

[@limofootball]

Manager.

[@93Mafu]

"Chelsea only sign players 25yrs and under." So they're basically doing a Leonardo di Caprio...

[@SacredFlapsProductions]

Underrated comment

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

Nice

[@Tchafsir]

Our biggest problem is that we cant finish and have terrible shooting quality. Our finishing isn't even Sunday League level. If you look at all the other stats, we're one of the best, but if you don't score, you don't win. Hopefully this aspect improves cause i really feel our players have the potential to do great things

[@dopeyrelaxingsounds8607]

Biggest problem is your owner is a vegetable

[@charlie9485]

For once a sensible response. As much as I agree, had nkunku not got injured I think it would be much better. He is one of the players we signed who looks 'better than Chelsea'. I expect things to improve a lot when he comes back, but no doubt it needs to improve before hand.

[@johannespitkamaki1369]

@@charlie9485one niunku who hasnt played single game in prem to be your saviour 😂 he wont change anything

[@charlie9485]

@@johannespitkamaki1369 this comment screams "I've never had sex with a women before"

[@EmilePesky-n1v]

Well, you signed sterling, so get used to missed chances

[@anonexe1318]

Joey Knight is so right about Chelsea fans😂😂 i remember being on twitter seeing everyone say, on the final match we need to boo the players off to send a message to the board and to the players, everyone was clapping up the players and lampard😂 twitter is not real life

[@charliethomas890]

Love the videos at the moment guys! Everyone is level headed, charismatic and all together it’s a great debate as always. Keep it up lads

[@Josh.aveste]

❤

[@ianmcdonald3053]

Feels like what happened to Utd is happening to Chelsea!

[@hiramcarrero8402]

Chelsea have signed 27 players since the takeover. The question I ask is how much should 27 players cost? 100, 200, 500? So yes, a billion is a TON of money but when you see the sheer numbers they brought in (too many for sure) the spend doesn’t look that outrageous

[@GraniteShaker]

The question is, did they need 27 players?

[@hiramcarrero8402]

@@GraniteShaker not at all hahaha!

[@vitalijsmatulkovs5220]

It doesn't work like that Josh. In the end you become Wenger's Arsenal, who's just fighting for top 4, player get tired of waiting for trophies and they leave. Like Van Persie, Fabregas and other young talent they had.

[@Abbabababababababab]

Joey is a great addition to The Kick Off 👊

[@BKKLB]

I think the biggest problem at Chelsea is they (the owners) have turned the squad over too quickly and only have James, Chillwell, and Silva left as leaders. They sold or lost 10 seasoned premiere league players like Cesar, Mount, Loftus Cheek, Kante, Kovacic. I just worry that the decisions made in recruitment could have a negative impact on the dynamics of the team. Elite performance is non-linear. It's extremely nuanced and the risk is higher with younger players.

[@domryan2662]

Football is crazy nowadays - losing faith with a very promising striker after 4 slightly questionable games is wild!

[@johannespitkamaki1369]

When player isnt on the lvl of the prem at beginning its bad situation to be in

[@miskovic47]

Based on the amount of money spent, they should get AT LEAST Top 4. Based on team quality and depth, I don't think they are a Top 4 team. That's the problem, how do you spend 1 billion euros and still don't have a proven or close to world class striker, left winger and goalkeeper. Just poor squad building, all youth, way too many new players. They need to stop buying and start building. Big difference there.

[@TheTrympeten]

It's planning for the future. No one cares what you think.

[@stwar92]

LFC had crazy injuries last year, but yeah no one cared and would roast us … sooo yeah, Chelsea have no excuse

[@kth6736]

You're talking that chance by playing such an old squad. It may sound unfathomable right now but liverpool might struggle to consistently make the CL in next few years. That squad needs atleast 500m to fix it and fsg ain't spending.

[@gustavbrinkel5489]

@@kth6736 Jokes

[@Jon-yx3xc]

Lavia injured aswell now, there has to be something more going on for this amount and frequency of injuries - either that or we have bought brittle players

[@thiagoteixeira6537]

I wanted Cole Palmer to stay but, if he wasn't gonna get game time, I get it! It's a shame though...

[@bocchi-chan1609]

You can’t turn down £40+ million at the end of the day for someone who’s started 4 PL games. It’s such easy money.

[@thiagoteixeira6537]

@@bocchi-chan1609 Yeah, I can't argue with that!

[@amenhotepthethird209]

They may as well signed Mbappe, Jude and a few others.

[@TheGoldenNostril]

True Geordie not mentioning Newcastle in every conversation. Challenge Impossible!

[@Alan.Kliche]

Love the conversation, joey definitely suits this channel

[@DanoFSmith-yc9tg]

I dont really know any of these guys other then Bryan, and the other long term member( his name escapes me) but the other newer guys are great, they can really articulate their opinions in clear and professional manner, its very refreshing to listen to and watch. That new Chelsea fan guy is such a great natural pundit

[@hightower4567]

The Kick Off is so much better now tbh I like the guest

[@murraycooper9273]

As a Chelsea fan, I’m honestly quite excited for the next few years. I’m not particularly worried, I wasn’t expecting the boys to win the league this year. I just want to see them grow together to be honest. If the core of the team is still together in 5/6 years time I think we’ll be having a different conversation

[@hedakom]

the fact he thinks chelsea fans should rate havertz shows he has no idea what he's talking about

[@kojo7700]

It is true that the Chelsea team is very young and new, and they need time to gel. The question is, are they going to be patient and give the players more time to gel? My fear is that a new season will come, and we will see more new young players coming in and going out.

[@goonerOZZ]

Chelsea and patience does not go hand in hand... If anything, Chelsea kicks patience out of the window.

[@TheLukeJefferies]

Loving the new panel

[@siiir1322]

Chelseas recruitment really got me to a point in which I have to admit: I genuinely believe the average 14 year old fifa player would have done better business in the transfer market. I know people say this often, but there’s no way you and I would have done worse then they have. The amount of players they have bought for millions of pounds that are just mid or will never see the chelsea starting lineup. Come on guys, 45!!! Million euros for disasi, while Bayern payed a 50 Mil release clause for the best seria a defender and championship winner Kim Min Jae. 30 Million for Malo Gusto. For that money you could have got World Cup Winner Pavard from Bayern

[@archiewall124]

Gusto was a great signing, he came in as a backup for RJ and he’s already been needed.

[@siiir1322]

@@archiewall12430 Million for a backup. I am not even hating because chelsea spend so much. I am genuinely mad that a club can spend such a ridiculous amount of money and after you look at their starting 11, most people’s reaction would be: yeah that’s kinda mid. Looking at their starting 11 you genuinely couldn’t make the case that chelsea 100% are going to make top 4 with those players. With the amount of money chelsea have spent, they should have a squad with City’s quality right now

[@archiewall124]

@@siiir1322 30 million for a backup in a position where the starter is injury prone, don’t ignore that.

[@Micfri300]

Fifa players can't even rub two braincells together

[@siiir1322]

@@archiewall124then buy a better backup for 30 Million and not bloody Malo Gusto, that’s my point. Get Pavard in there, get some quality in there. Don’t even get me started on players like Cucurella or Mudryk.

[@oliverfrost2430]

Loving this Brian. Great panel choices.

[@jamesomara3361]

Extremely level headed discussion with not one but TWO Chelsea fans? Good lord.

[@MrRemixArmy]

Big fan of Joey, he talks really well and level headed. Keep it up lads

[@Airyed]

Jackson is gonna be a quality player his movement his hold up play his ability to find the simple pass

[@TheKatchutes]

Absolutely. He’s too good to not come good in the prem. Just needs time and confidence.

[@OOguns]

Jackson looks good but doesn’t score?!!! Let not kid ourselves. He’s still unproven and likely not good enough for top premier league club. We need proven striker and creative midfield.

[@TheKatchutes]

@@OOguns Let’s say this then. As a striker up top he has most of the attributes. Physical, fast, good link up when coming deep, tenacious, unselfish. Yes he doesn’t score yet and he may not, but we can say that all his other elements are great! Not every great striker in the prem was proven before they came. Aguero, Kane, Drogba… So let’s hope he comes good because he’s shown lots of promise!

[@TheKatchutes]

@@OOguns Would you have said the same for Drogba when he scored 10 prem goals in his first season…? Atleast we can see that Jackson’s overall play is pretty tailored to the premier league. He just needs to start finding the net, which takes a lot of great strikers some time.

[@rorysmith2415]

Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest are both big clubs. I support Aberdeen, Inverness CT, Ross County, Holywell Town, Scotland, and Real Madrid.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

Signing a load of young player's for ridiculous transfer fees. And giving them long-term contracts on silly money in London. What could possibly go wrong? Alex Ferguson won trophies with a young team at Utd, but those players had come up through the system at Utd, this thing at Chelsea. I don't know, anything could happen but if it messes up, it's gonna be a very expensive nightmare trying to sort it all out.

[@jimjogger306]

Dont understand the 100% profit logic when you are paying them a wage, Most of these youngsters you pay a wage, pay millions on each youth player on tutoring, courses, 1st class travel and accomodation every single week for potentially years through the u15s all the way upto u21s, expenses, they contribute absolutely nothing, you sell them for £1-5mil even sometimes £10mil after 5-10 years of development!, how much do you think you've realisticaly profited on that asset? Nothing, The only clubs that profit from youth development are the lesser clubs (feeder clubs) because they dont have the expenses on youth development top clubs do, Wrexham can put a kid through the academy for a few hundred pound a year, Premier inns, public buses and a laundry lady. Its like the mount argument, Chelsea saying 100% profit, How? If you get given a car for free, You spend £2000 on fixing it, And sell it for £1000....You havnt profited £1000 Just because you got it for free. Its such a dumb argument.

[@srinathmukundan1042]

A good discussion. I think the key point is how far Chelsea have fallen off on their ambitions. They are happy to win in the transfer market rather than on the pitch

[@MJGotrell]

can’t see how anyone defends Havertz

[@edmar23]

As a Liverpool fan, I will defend him all season!

[@miniman2132]

You can name 10 flops for every player that succeeds at Chelsea. It has proven historically to be absolutely NOT the place where young players should go to improve their game and fulfil their potential. I’m an Arsenal fan, he hasn’t set the world alight at Arsenal yet, but I can see in his eyes that Chelsea stomped his confidence into the dirt. If he overcomes that he will be a good asset for Arsenal.

[@FreddySeers]

⁠@@miniman2132Stop putting havertz form on Chelsea mate. He’s the same at Arsenal as he was at Chelsea. We never put his confidence in the dirt, he walks around the pitch like he can’t be bothered and you Arsenal fans who said he’s been played out of position are starting to realise we’re right.

[@aledjames7253]

The only upper echelon young stars they’ve bought are Caicedo, Enzo and Nkunku. Everyone shows signs of it but hasn’t got the proven record behind them.

[@iainwright2301]

Never thought I would hear True Geordie talk about experimental design!

[@randomdisplayname]

Theres seven European spaces. With, at least, 8 teams fighting for them. Man City - CL pretty much certain Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Tottenham and Chelsea make the rest of the big six. Newcastle, Brighton, West Ham and even Aston Villa AND Brentford (previously Wolves or Burnley as the underdog punching above their weight) are knocking on the door. That's actually 11 clubs pushing for 7 spots. Clubs will miss out, they are going to have to push for the League Cup and FA Cup a lot more.

[@christopherflux6254]

There’s time for some of these players to come good. But the whole buy, buy, buy approach has still be bonkers.

[@JT34567]

The real answer is yes

[@bigdoggtheinfamousone9300]

Mudryk is similar to Lazar Markovic from Benfica to Liverpool probably not suited to the league

[@ChefKeyBrien]

What a comparison! Markovic had me tearing my hair out

[@nathanaelshinavene5021]

I repeat everyone or most are stuck with how they know clubs to be ran and none is actually taking a back seat and realize its a new error. just because we don't know what the big picture is for the owners and because the model being used is alien to us doesn't mean it won't work. End of the day this guys spend billions to buy that club surely they have their plan. Every one thought Roman was crazy with his spending and boy did he change football as it was known.

[@RnB4Music]

injuries are badiashille, nkunku, fofana, broja, james, mudryk, lavia, chukwumeka and chaloba

[@SirMonkeySuit]

Newcastle didn't go for Maddison because the wages don't allow it for FFP Brian. Transfer fee's aren't the problem in FFP, it is the wages.

[@hellohi1445]

Tbh madders was always joining spurs. Multiple tier 1 sources said that he preferred a move to London.

[@v3165]

I just find it funny how many teams are trying the arsenal approach an completely messing it up. 😂 arsenal understood EXACTLY what they where getting and knew the value they had for the players. Example would be mudryk

[@conz9879]

I’m a chelsea fan and saying we got 10 first team players injured and then name nkuku who hasn’t even played a game and could be a total flop just like most of chelsea signings is based purely on hope we don’t even know who our first team is

[@astradala1845]

Arsenal fans will learn about havertz. He’s very mediocre. Scored a very very important goal for us yes. But on average he was very very average.

[@DanielCordone9]

He's a Championship player. He's not a striker or a midfielder. I can't understand what he does

[@worselipreading860]

Good conversation, guys. Keep it up!

[@TheJWRB]

simple answer... Forest are massive.

[@tonygmichael6434]

Huge!!

[@Mark-uh3un]

But early to tell innit, let’s see where they are in 3-5 years, most of the players they bought were unknown until last season

[@adamroberts626]

Loved this, but can’t believe I’ve just heard a Chelsea fan saying saying that finishing outside top 6 isn’t a failure, having spent a billion pound, 1 Billion British Pounds

[@aes1373]

Thats the thing with Chelsea; no matter how much they point at the fact that they're players are young and need time...a billion has been spent. Im sorry but thats always going to hang over their heads and expectations are going to be high.

[@kth6736]

The thing is that oppo fans can cry all they like about a billion. It doesn't make any difference to Todd Boelhy. Infact I am not sure even Chelsea fans booing makes a difference either. If Poch can get to top6 or maybe even 7th, Boelhy will persist with him. We all saw how long a rope he cut to Potter.

[@dashawnballard52]

When you spend a billion dollars on players, you don’t get the excuse of their young , doku was getting slagged off after 45 minutes, Chelsea aren’t special

[@faith-ei9bv]

Psg and Chelsea show just spending ruthlessly doesn't prove anything credit to city

[@alexbauno23]

On top of the money spent, Chelsea also hv no Europe this year, there's no way they can be satisfied finishing outside of top 6...

[@1972dsrai]

Fair enough Chelsea have a lot out with injuries, but surely they have enough quality if not experience in cover.

[@chilpill305]

IM SORRY 'MISS' JACKSON 😂

[@arnfinson]

Chelsea just needs to sell a lot of play sets and get a smaller team that Poch can work with. Most of these players will need 2-3 years then you can sell them. Chelsea can't buy another player for a very long time unless it's replacing Sterling with a younger LW to fight with Mudryk.

[@flickfellas9424]

True Georgie lives in a echo-chamber

[@samalo2953]

Completely disagree, Bum!!

[@cally_]

you can't even spell his name my guy

[@leeharwood9624]

And your living in his comment section 😂😂😂

[@Dugiesrevenge]

Chamber Chamber Chamber

[@NamedNamelessName]

@@samalo2953no one cares Sam

[@adtastic1533]

You cant bring in that many players and get them playing as a team. Poch got nothing to do with it, Boehly doesnt have a clue.

[@masilomoshesh1475]

Oh God I can already see Chelsea making a ridiculous bid for Ferguson in Jan after his performance this weekend. He will have double digit PL goals by Christmas.

[@raemongill19]

Not one mention of net spend/players who left. The spend really wasn’t that bad

[@DigitalNomadOnFIRE]

Anything can happen in 1 match. Forest also spent £200m

[@codephil]

Mudryk will be a beast. He is always running, creating space, creating chances. He's just poorly managed. Chelsea fans can judge him when he has gotten 3 consecutive starts.

[@ACAB19032]

Rentboys looking like a mid table team 😂😂😂love it 🙊💪🏻😉❤

[@robbieomahony5741]

Praying that this all blows up in the Chelsea boards and fans faces. To spend what they have and to still fail would be incredible. Can’t believe this lot are trying to claim the underdog mentality too

[@EmpireFanatic]

Yeah most of The players sold, needed to go either due to quality or mentality. Problem is we have spent Way to much on unproven players. And now were stuck with The guys for The next 5-8 years. Yes its early days, and they and Pochettino need time. But The rot needs to stop, NOW. Dont know what to feel other than Nostalgia, But any trygg to Hazard joining?

[@lucasr4646]

The Chelsea fans show patience while hypothetically mentioning a finish between 6-8 and they get buried because of the money spent. In the same breathe, they're getting buried for being arrogant and impatient. So, which is it?

[@zayn6725]

You should do an intro to the guests and who they are etc

[@Chief24.7]

Making money on players isn’t what qualifies success. We are football clubs, I understand the ladder but clubs like Chelsea shouldn’t be investing in players for profit

[@codephil]

The 25 rule, just another example of Boehly learning on the job. 😅

[@taoaarons9545]

Talking points around Chels always devolve into you have to win now cos you spent lots of money, despite rivals agreeing the team is bad and poor for whatever reason. Same rivals saying all this well then say Chels fans are not patient. Rivals fans don’t believe what they’re saying cos if they did they wouldn’t jump to well you spent lots and you have to win

[@nonder92]

Bruh, the way ppl were slating arsenal for trusting in arteta after 2 years and only spending a quarter of what Chelsea have now… cone on now… after a billion you need to show some sort of achievement for real. If they finish 6 7 8 this season and next then it’s an utter failure, no excuses!

[@jimmercx2134]

Got a load of hate on a sky sports video for saying our transfer market has been awful, then we lose to Notts. Mudryk will never reach the levels of his transfer fee, alot of our players wont. You can't put that fee and pressure on kids to succeed and expect brilliance

[@CORFrags]

I dislike the narrative that Chelsea were poor against Forest. We dominated the game were better in every stat we just coudnt score.

[@ChipCain]

As a Liverpool fan I’d love to have played Chelsea now rather than the first game. I think it would be a massacre.

[@hiphopotamus69]

So Chelsea basically has Brighton’s transfer policy as far as the age of prospects they want but instead of doing intense scouting and paying a small fee for these young players they will buy them for 80-120 million each? That sounds like a horrible transfer policy lol.

[@goldstoneghost2861]

Err, Dahoud is 27 and Milner is 37. Brighton have an amazing mixture of experience and youth. Every ‘team’ needs leaders and experience on the pitch, Chelsea got rid of the ‘experience’ to reduce the wage bill and went all in on expensive ‘future’, forgetting about the ‘now’ and the ‘team’

[@MrBlynam]

I'm glad Brian has realised he has to interrupt Joey or he'll just carry on talking. The king of using 20 words when 2 would suffice.

[@edkidd09]

40 players in our squad, not sure about that one fellas

[@Shhhii]

Chelsea at full strength will challenge for top 4 all of our players injured are the back bones of the team who will carry us when we struggling nkunku Reece James and badshiealla we in rebuilding stage once poch remembers what made us play great in pre season then you will see the best of Chelsea

[@alexjackson7313]

Expecting a squad with the average age of 22.5 to click immediately in the premier league is insane. Out of the original starting 11 from last season only 4 remain. Football fans are so reactionary it’s actually embarrassing

[@andreacarbonari]

Yes they did, players like Enzo Fernandez are worth 30 mln, not 120.

[@eeeminem9747]

I think Enzo is the one player they brought in last 3 windows thats actually worth the crazy fee they paid.

[@archiewall124]

Terrible example to use.

[@astradala1845]

Enzo is actually quality. If you watched a game you’d know

[@andreacarbonari]

@@eeeminem9747 Enzo is a good example for a reason: he is not playing bad he is exactly this. You won't have any improvement from him (and I follow him since Defensa y Justicia), but you can have some from players like Mudryk for a bunch of reasons as trust abd continuity (and above all the ukranian has some characteristics that are at top players level, like the speed for example). Enzo will be Chelsea downfall as there won't be coaches who will put him on bench.

[@andreacarbonari]

@@astradala1845 with the ball. Then he is a third division player. Ehm.. I watched him play on DyJ and River, I know very well what I'm saying.

[@leegee3454]

Love the Tottenham fan being like “he scored a champions league winning goal” and I see why he might respect that when he will never see one, doesn’t stop havertz being dogshit

[@Zoro-en5jo]

Blue shirt blud thinks chelsea squad was toxic last season….haven’t heard about united

[@jamesgibbons6496]

Josh is such a Stan

[@mysteryman480]

Chelsea’s defeat to Nottingham Forest was only one game.

[@dashawnballard52]

And when they come back from break they have death row of games , so if they lost to forest they gonna beat city, man Utd, arsenal, brentford, and Brighton in the next 2 months correct?

[@kyletitterton]

They should change the manager and spend more money.

[@urosmihailovic8345]

There is a simple explanation for this, you cant play Career Mode in real life 😂😅😂

[@aritraraha5708]

Looks like some of them are just making points for the sake of it.

[@jamesgibbons6496]

Joey knight deffo a great addition

[@kevinknaap9458]

Unironically prefer this lineup to the old

[@115ffpfcandthephantomtreble]

Chelsea the ultimate banter club

[@isrln]

Mudryk has 10 less league apps than antony yet one is a clown and a flop while the other is "developing and needs at least another season to adjust". No TG agenda coz its not united though

[@fahedal-ajmi4015]

At Chelsea the previous owner was impatient, so the fans followed him becoming delusional in the process.

[@siphomofokeng857]

chelsea have no experience, i think its the way they planned it to be and as a chelsea fan, I expect bad performances, chelsea is a brand new team and it needs time, there is no Chelsea way...We're building a new bridge

[@adame462]

You can't name Reece James when he's injured 90% of the time anyway 🤣