Debating Danny: Grading Flyers offseason if Briere is done | PHLY Sports

Well, we never got to yesterday’s titular topic, so we’re doing it on this Tuesday edition of the show!
If Danny Briere, after making a few modest moves, is done adding to/altering the Philadelphia Flyers NHL roster, how would Charlie & Bill grade the second-year GM?
Do they have faith that kicking the can to next summer will pay off? Or is it a delay tactic to just buy more time? And what do we make of all the rumors? Can Danny close a big deal, or is he smart to gauge the market and have the stomach to walk away, knowing the criticism will only get louder?
Plus, the 10 best Flyers games since 1980, and new hats for the NHL!
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[@mattjones3257]

I usually like your points and general logic of team building. I disagree with the TK analysis and especially the comp to oshie. Oshie’s 8 year deal started in his age 31 season and will end at age 38. TK’s would start at age 28 and end at 35. That’s a MASSIVE difference. Could it blow up in their faces? Maybe. But so could anything. We’re betting probabilities and i think the curve of his play on this contract is much more likely to resemble someone like Tavares’ deal in Toronto. Tavares also signed at age 28. His play has tailed off a bit this year but he’s still a top 6 player. He’s not totally useless, just a bit overpaid. You can, and should live with that. And if he’s still useful at the end of the year you look to sign him again to a shorter term at a lower number. Michkov needs someone to play with. You can’t Hinkie hockey. There are 20 players on the ice each night. When you get a guy with surplus value at pick 24, you don’t jettison him at his first deal. We shouldn’t aspire to be the Pirates or Rays of hockey. 8x8 would be a good deal. The cap is going up. do it.

[@kod8933]

Travis Konecny is not close to John Tavares. That guy had 90 pts seasons back in the mid 2010s dead puck era. TK hasn't surpassed 70 once in his career. Signing him is not a good idea. At maximum you can only sign him for 4 years. And even then, we're not a contender so why bother keeping him around when we can get more things to build the future with

[@mattjones3257]

@@kod8933 i was talking about the pattern of production over the course of a 7-8 year deal. Not how good a player he is. Tavares signed for 11 AAV 6 years ago at age 28 on a much lower cap. If he were the same player today, he might get 13M. With TK we seem to be talking about 8-9.5 AAV right now, so it’s a different category of player clearly. In the last 2 years, Tavares went from an elite first line center to a very very good second line center over the course of his deal. I could see TK go from being a good first line winger to an average second liner or very good 3rd liner in the last year or 2 of the deal. I’m okay with that. Thats the key, I don’t see this potential drop off coming until the 7th and 8th year of the potential deal. If this team can’t build a contender around Michkov, TK, and whatever other young talent sticks within 4 years, they have made other problems and bad decisions outside of TK. There are many, many players in this league who are productive into their mid-30s - Kane, Kopitar, Giroux, Marchand, Perron, Benn, Henrique, Marchessault, the list goes on. This league is less physical, and the players are much better conditioned than they were 15 years ago. Players can make it well into their 30s. Not signing a player like this in their prime because you’re worried they might get a little worse in 6 years is dumb. You don’t trade Konecny for future assets because unlike the many future assets in this system, you have certainty on what Konecny can be. Right now, he is 100% a top 6 forward who can score. There are not many other players on the team we can say that about. You want a guy like that on the team so that when the cap finally clears up, this is a team that FAs actually want to come to and you don’t have to overpay them. You get there by being a competitive team.

[@VDGG2112]

I like TK. He should be traded before the big contract with no movement clause.

[@OlsenMath]

Exactly. By the time the team is competitive, TK will be overpaid and a solid third liner.

[@VDGG2112]

Torts is a good coach. He is bad for a rebuild. We needed to finish within the top ten.

[@kod8933]

Trade TK. Trade TK

[@bradmcnutt9533]

Charlie’s TK point is 💯.

[@bradmcnutt9533]

I remember when New Era had the licensing rights for NHL hats and never bought one 15 or whatever years ago. The Fanatics hats have been trash.

[@CatholicNonno]

The TJ Oshie comparison is ludicrous. He was far older when he signed that deal, and is not the offensive player TK is.

[@Trevsta93]

Since there's been no TK signing, it feels like they may trade him (and laughton) at the deadline when his value is higher. I'm all for it

[@babyray5643]

Keep TK, he’ll accept a reasonable offer.

[@forzanerazzurri2339]

Hextall blew it too because that also wasnt a rebuild. They had one 2nd overall pick. You cant rebuild stockpiling middle 1st round picks and they are doing the same bloody thing again. It didnt work then and it wont work now.

[@adamb9897]

Props to Charlie on the Jimmy Eat World shirt!!!

[@spacecricket2b]

18:49 what's in your fridge?

[@joed6067]

This is their version of a tank year. They are worse off on the blue line and goal. Teams that underperformed last year jump them. Devils Sabres senators. Utah Calgary could improve. Now you’re drafting in the top 7 at worst with plenty of trade capital. The same people complaining danny hasn’t done anything are the same people who were freaking out that they would shortcut the rebuild.

[@michaels2502]

Hexy's plan was good. But vets fell off too quick and prospects developed too slowly or not at all. The age gap between the old core and hopeful new core was too large. Our current roster is in much better shape with 24 year olds developing with 18-20 year olds looking to join shortly.

[@RedRoverTW]

New Era is alright, but I'd prefer 47 Brand. Hopefully the designs are better. Flyers hat designs have been terrible, other than the ones with just the logo.

[@nihaoleo3877]

"I can see a cup contender in 2, 3, 4, 5 years...." Well done, Charlie. Excellent analysis.

[@forzanerazzurri2339]

Lol how? They currently have 1 elite talent. This is going to take a decade at this rate.

[@OlsenMath]

For top 10 games of Flyers since 1980 I'd put Game 6 of the 1985 Wales Conference Final vs Quebec when Poulin had the 5 on 3 short handed goal: And Game 6 of the 1987 Wales Conference Final vs. Montreal with the pregame brawl. Both games sent the Flyers to the Cup final vs Edmonton.

[@VDGG2112]

JJ Daigneault game six goal against Edmonton.

[@VDGG2112]

35 game undefeated streak extend into the 80's

[@VDGG2112]

I don't think young people understand how good of a franchise this organization this until the salary cap. The Flyers made expansion work for the NHL.

[@CatholicNonno]

For all of this conjecture and hoping about guys becoming the 'second level support guys' for Michkov; we already have one, and his name is Travis Konecny. Re-signing the sure thing is obvious. 8x8 gets it done.

[@kod8933]

And it's an overpay that cost the team in 5 years when TK is 34 and busted like Atkinson but making 8 million dollars on top of Coots and Sanheim. Bad idea

[@CatholicNonno]

@@kod8933 8 million in 5 years will not be an overpay as the cap goes up.

[@michaelfinn2164]

How were they going to trade any of the guys on the current roster for top end talent? The rebuild hinges on the 2025 draft. This offseason was always going to be a non story.

[@forzanerazzurri2339]

You trade them for draft assets. The flyers are too stupid to get a rebuild off the ground though.

[@julianc6863]

Flyers sign TK then Bierre is Hextall. This team needs elite talent from other teams. I dont understand what there doing with him and even Laughton its enough move them

[@OlsenMath]

Why can't you guys run the team?

[@forzanerazzurri2339]

F. This is not a rebuild.

[@VDGG2112]

Retool, if they resign TK over 8 million for 8 years.

[@yurk21]

Re-sign TK. The off season isn’t as horrible as what fans are saying

[@forzanerazzurri2339]

You realize the completely blew this entire draft year? How many draft years do you think it takes to rebuild? 10?

[@asphaltcowboy7567]

Putrid off-season..

[@davidvaughan3771]

Did I miss when Danny started? What has Danny done? Big trades? Nope, sign our biggest FA TK? Nope, move up in draft, or even draft a player that will play in the NHL? Nope....

[@asphaltcowboy7567]

💯 correct!!!

[@matthewhetzler4912]

Maybe it means the tank is on. What we need is top end talent and maybe this means we will suck this year.

[@jasonmidiri6445]

​@@matthewhetzler4912I would agree, but if that was the case TK, Laughton should be moved. We need to suck suck not be mediocre.

[@laboom60]

2025 is when Danny will have the cap space to actually wheel and deal. Patience

[@matthewhetzler4912]

@@jasonmidiri6445 Yeah, you’re right. They should move those guys (as much as I like them).

[@bighandsome9165]

If TK is re-signed for money and term, my faith in the rebuild will officially be lost.