Debating Israeli Right-Wingers On The Nakba & The "Emirate Solution"

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[@jessiejb4684]

He says he wants an ‘incentive structure that deters violence’, only without any incentives. Domination with collective punishment obviously will never bring peace.

[@Goodkingmogglemog]

Those people makes me angry as an Israeli myself, how tf can you talk like this

[@tunahan4418]

What actually frustrates me is his lack of knowledge of nakba history. Everything hes talking about has been done and tried. Do you think there weren't peaceful palestinian families even during the nakba? They were all still collectively punishef. Men women and kids.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Not true. Palestinians/Arabs who didn't take part in the 1948 war weren't kicked out. That's why 2 million Arabs live in Israel today.

[@tunahan4418]

@@worsethanjoerogan8061 it's not so black and white. Do you think every Palestinian village that was cleansed was taking part in the war?

[@tunahan4418]

@@worsethanjoerogan8061 I just looked through your other comments and it's insane how many lies you spew

[@Sensei_gojo]

@@worsethanjoerogan8061 there were villages who thought they were fine since they had peace agreements with neighboring jewish settlements but they too got expelled during the nakba.

[@user-xq7tr6st5y]

Nekba 60 million Arabs tried to kill 600000 Jews and lost.. So we muslims,, through kies changed Nekba to fake gencide.. As muslims,,the quran allows us to lie....Takbeeer,,allah o akbar

[@gabrielkapach9955]

What? Isn't his solution is just full scale apartheid with euphemism? And he doesn't like we are calling the current state occupation, and he wants to use a euphemism instead? like wtf?

[@IsomerSoma]

He himself used the verb "occupy" multiple times himself to describe the current situation.

[@vladantheimpaler]

This dude's theme song is 'Tomorrow Belongs to Me'

[@TheGreatMoss]

It's weird having fucking harry potter moderating the debate

[@komlat253]

This issue about the pro Isreal camp when the other side say something that might be hard to accept like (moving all the illegal settlers out of their homes ) , they start saying stuff like ( think about the humanity, u cant just kick out that many people at once) .which is a humanitarian issue sure ,i agree but when they flip it around on u and u try to tell them about the humanity of the issue, they start saying stuff like ( well its hard but ,tough things have to be done ,) or( its not about human or not but practicality) or whatever shit. Its like , oh now the real human aspect of each individual that has to suffer an extreme policy is no long er important? People think that some people are ok to be made suffer but its absolutely horrible that another group of people might have to skip one meal or shower or not have roof over the head. The way people understand human suffering is odd. Loke don't we all need a home and food to eat ? Israelis really thing Palestinian will just feel ok with having nothing.

[@YokaiX]

It’s because humanism and humanist values are incompatible with ethno-nationalism and fascism

[@kidduzi2852]

​@@YokaiX The humanists are the ones siding with the Jews. I know a fascist guy that had a plan for these people.

[@lordlorian81]

It works both ways … you are no different then him

[@lostthenfound6838]

Palestinians are 100% illegal settlers

[@TheLightlock]

that was quite an opener, "I think the strategy should be to commit international crimes in furtherance of war crimes"

[@joshuayung5158]

The entire argument hinges on israel keeping its word. Someone tell me, how many settlers have been punished for violating israel's own laws?

[@secondeyeopensgently]

He pushed his fingers into his eyeeeees it's the only way, lonerbox could stop the aaaaache

[@orlandodasilva2529]

English referees are the worst

[@IsomerSoma]

"I did not think this through" Yeah that seems about right.

[@janaejoaodosacramento9731]

Well that was Something…….

[@gnomadD_]

When was this recorded? I have the vague sense I've heard this convo before.

[@IsraelThomas-fv3od]

deja vu

[@Lawarch]

March 9th, 2024 livestream

[@lordlorian81]

Another thing I just yesterday had a heated talk with my friend from Belarus Long story short She was crying about hatread toward belarus (very ugly stuff she met) She was like “why why why …” And i asked her Did Belarus opened its borders to let russian army invade Ukraine from Belarus land ? For Ukrainians it means little that belarus solders did not fight in russia army For them they are enemy For me who has friends and family on all 3 sides I see the f. Up situation From all sides Why i told the story She was very defensive of her country Because she was burn there But she also lived in russia and in ukraine And its tearing her apart She is loyalty confused Because she has been in every side shoes The problem is Same as in israel There are good people on all sides But on bigger scale it means nothing Who want to be friends with you are treated as friends The rest are enemy Palestinians perhaps fought 3-5k active But they suported and let in all the big armies of others So from israel point of view They were enemies And building up secure perimeter Is much higher priority then chery picking who is who There was not time for it And no reason to play with it Live or die The rest is royalty

[@gvd72]

Why was this written in poetic form?

[@DawudSandstorm2]

Please post a link to that map with the causes of abandonment, I'd really like to be able look at it.

[@jamieclarke321]

7 minutes in and this is the most ridiculous, unhinged train of thought I’ve ever heard on the topic

[@itsgabony]

A state is a social construct.

[@tunahan4418]

Its so crazy he can even call them Bantustans. He literally admits to wanting more apartheid yet so far ive not heard lonerbox and the other guy call it apartheid.

[@IsomerSoma]

He did say he wants a path to citizenship, which wouldn't really be apartheid anymore. At least not in idea. In practice it might be indistinguishable.

[@tunahan4418]

@@IsomerSoma well yeah but there's no agreement or anything. Even a puppet leader wouldn't agree to that on the Palestinian side. This is not what Palestinians want and the terror will just continue if this is implemented, not stop.

[@gvd72]

Bantustans in an occupied territory. If I’m not mistaken, Loner, Destiny, etc. believe that apartheid occurs within a nation but not with an occupied land as those people are not citizens. Now I know similar logic was used in South Africa, which is why Bantustans were created in the first place, but this a military occupation of a territory Israel has never had part of their territory before as opposed to South Africa artificially creating separate regions specifically just to segregate people.

[@itsgabony]

Lonerbox is that your rating 1231?

[@TheSkyman8]

i’m surprised droner box disagreed

[@killercaos123]

*comment for engagement*

[@tooitchy]

There's not a lot of debate over the nakba here, there's one reasonable opinion that the politicization of the nakba has utterly erased all logical analysis of the actual event, in favor of creating a pseudo reality where Israel is dripping with evil and expelled the harmless, peace loving arabs so they could create a jewish ethno state free from the impurities of arabs, and some people conflating his issues with the politicization of the word, with him denying the actual events of the nakba, which he wasn't, he agreed fully. And then someone else came and actually tried to debate the nakba.

[@ChocolateBear239]

Only on the opener but this guy is fucking evil the way he can say the shit he says so fucking calmly is fucking chilling

[@mogscugg2639]

We left the Holy Land and did better in America than anywhere else on Earth. The Palestinians stayed on their land. Simple enough.

[@kidduzi2852]

110

[@alexjohnson9630]

If arabs won in 1948 or 1956 or 1967 or 1973, would Israel still exist today? Would there be Jews in The Middle East if arabs won any of the wars?

[@zenbear9952]

Yes actually there were jews in Palestine as well as Christians albeit not many any more. They used to have a lot more

[@lordlorian81]

@@zenbear9952 show me the jews in Arab land Almost 90% of them expelled or killed Stick with realty not dreams

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

We all know the answer. If Arabs won in 48 we'd probably have a second Holocaust on our hands.

[@alexjohnson9630]

@@zenbear9952 , "palestine"/Judea was/is an area, not a country. There has been a contiguous Jewish presence in the area since Biblical times. Since roman times, The Jews were dominated by other more numerous groups. christians and muslims mistreated The Jews when they controlled the area. The Jews faced expulsions, massacres, forced conversions, etc.

[@user-xq7tr6st5y]

yes...there would be jewish bones, skulls and jewish...read the quran and study the devil, sorry, I mean Brophet Mohammed

[@2460-1]

This is old

[@NeilTouchGrassTyson]

Feminism is about gender equlity and I'm expecting right wingers in the replies to disagree

[@papitomichael3317]

I love you Mr.Touchgrasstyson

[@tooitchy]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@YokaiX]

Anarchism is about eliminating unjust hierarchies and the nation state, for equality and unity, and I’m expecting Statists and authoritarians to disagree

[@IsomerSoma]

To some feminists its about that like in the sense of humantarian, democratic feminism, but most pop feminism is more a vague version of "at least equality" populism and there are also feminists that are softly or strongly supremacist (in various different ways by the way). Feminism isnt a homogenous thing.

[@NeilTouchGrassTyson]

@@IsomerSoma If you're a leftist then why are you anti feminis

[@LimeyRedneck]

🤠💜

[@aunnaqvi3133]

Israelis are the only people I've ever met that think violence will stop violence

[@mihawkizanagi9105]

You just perfectly described the Palestinians

[@__-nd5qi]

It does especially when dealing with nations

[@KainGerc]

who keeps starting the wars?! who targets and murders civilians and non-combatants?! Israel and its leaders are not perfect but they aren't the ones who turned Palestinian lives into living hell because they wouldn't compromise on peace.

[@rockmycd1319]

@@mihawkizanagi9105I see why they love each other so much then.

[@ilikecookies5043]

im israeli and this is something that boggled my mind talking with friends and family

[@ramiqudah7567]

very disrespectful at the end loner, both sides were hashing it out man. just be patient shutup and listen

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

oh is lonerbox pretending to not be a zionist again?

[@janaejoaodosacramento9731]

are you ok ?

[@chasmurphy1227]

its almost as if that label is a false binary on some people

[@michaelneufeld4515]

It's almost as if you're on a witch hunt for Zionists

[@kidduzi2852]

@@michaelneufeld4515 110

[@gem1607]

Do you think the word Zionist means “thinks Israel is perfect and has never done anything wrong ever”