Debating JonTron

[@VagineerHuur]

Jontron is what happens when someone forms political opinions solely from /pol/ and SJW OWNED compilations

[@fightfannerd2078]

Green you idiot

[@fightfannerd2078]

@@Soosss it's not dying even the left hates you guys

[@Phos1010]

@@fightfannerd2078 You good bro?

[@yoavsnake]

+

[@dancingvalkyrie]

Sjws are still cringe cucklords though, whether youre left or right.

[@TommyPKFire]

No fair Jontron has auto aim locked on his own foot

[@markrichardson2512]

Passed this comment three times before I understood the joke

[@red2theelectricboogaloo961]

@@markrichardson2512 he shot himself in the foot.

[@red2theelectricboogaloo961]

@Mason Bee i don't even know about that though. i think he was just shooting himself in the foot over and over again until he bled out, almost.

[@camerongoddard1638]

Mason Bee what was he right about?

[@red2theelectricboogaloo961]

@@camerongoddard1638 yeah >implying jontron was right >jontron was right >confusion.jpg

[@joshuawinters19]

This debate felt like choosing the wrong dialog option EVERY time

[@Ragitsu]

^ When you _think_ you're a better speed-runner than you actually are.

[@joshuawinters19]

@@Ragitsu 🤣🤣

[@rudrank819]

Life is just a telltale game and JonTron is the protagonist who's being controlled by an absolute jokster of a player.

[@TKaxemurderer]

@Maurits You forgot option D. C'mon man

[@termile7411]

@@rudrank819 a dude on his 5th playthrough trying to get the bad ending ha

[@SpeedSlowVideos]

"You're calling me a racist?" 5 seconds earlier: "What's the bad thing about non-white people legally emigrating here?" "I mean, come on... it's obvious."

[@Illumirage]

Replacement wouldn't be ok in Africa, why is it here?

[@SpeedSlowVideos]

@@Illumirage "replacement"

[@Illumirage]

@@SpeedSlowVideos problem?

[@regisglass5464]

@@Illumirage that's strange, as you believe a minority of white people peacefully going to africa makes more white people, ie, replaces non whites, why is it a problem that non whites go to the USA? Isn't that why you believe JonTron is white?

[@Illumirage]

@@regisglass5464 you'll get answers when you start answering questions regis. Not sure why I have to tell you this literally 150 times and you still haven't answered one question.

[@passionofthecrust9173]

I'd honestly thought that the whole "Johntron is a nazi" thing was just overblown drama. That opinion got destroyed about 2 minutes into the video.

[@Illumirage]

i'm pretty sure you don't know what a nazi is

[@passionofthecrust9173]

@@Illumirage Are you going to go with one of those literalist "the nazis were like 70 years ago bro" arguments, or are you just being pedantic? Fine, i'll be less literal. Johntron was called out for saying questionable shit, and it turns the questionable shit was way more extreme than I thought

[@carrier2823]

Damien INSANE-O “just because I believe in racial supremacy and want an ethnostate I am suddenly a nazi?”

[@Illumirage]

@@carrier2823 I don't believe in either of those. Just don't like being told I'm about to disappear is all. Nobody would want that. Look at you attempting to ridicule me for an innate human instinct. I'm half expecting you to start attacking me for blinking next....

[@Illumirage]

@@passionofthecrust9173 _"Are you going to go with one of those literalist the nazis were like 70 years ago bro arguments, or are you just being pedantic?"_ That's not where I was going but I don't necessarily disagree with that. Because my grandfather fought them, ACTUAL not sees, not these average everyday conservatives you consider to be them now. The amt. of real not sees in America couldn't even fill a middle school gymnasium. _"Fine, i'll be less literal. Johntron was called out for saying questionable shit, and it turns the questionable shit was way more extreme than I thought"_ I don't know that it really was. He wasn't eloquent, but a lot of this core concepts aren't really that off.... This just feels like typical liberal gaslighting, pretend everyone's on your side when most people aren't.

[@RKFCGSBGK]

The fact that jon really used his feelings to deny the irish racism in early america is where everyone should see he is not someone who knows anything about history. He just knows a few talking points that is repeated by others like him. He doesn't understand anything he talks about on a deeper level.

[@marv34001]

youre telling me that people thought irish werent europeans.

[@RKFCGSBGK]

marv34001 Yes that's exactly what I'm telling you. Go read a history book about the mass immigration going on during the industrial revolution.

[@marv34001]

@@RKFCGSBGK go read a history book isnt an argument, in order for any ethnic group of people to mass immigrate in the times before the hellen keller act, that ethnic group had to be recognized as white by state, people might not have liked them but that doesn't mean they couldnt see the obvious racial similarities

[@marv34001]

@@aaronwu1572 you think that was an actual criticism of their race, or is it a criticism of their behavior?

[@sylvestergharold7265]

Every mass immigration group to America has faced this scrutiny and hostility. First it was the Irish and Eastern Europeans, then the Chinese, and now the Mexicans and Muslims. In most cases, they legally could not become citizens, as in it was quite impossible to. It’s the same story all over again.

[@kennethbaker5573]

“America and Europe are the same”- someone who’s literally never been to europe

[@SgabelloBello]

While I agree that America and Europe are completely different (Europe is not culturally homogeneous in the first place), you don't have to physically visit Europe to understand that. You just have to open the fucking history books :/ And read them. Probably not the ones made by the kind of people that think that the States are the center of the damn universe and that everyone else lives in 3rd country shitholes.

[@MortalWombat4480]

SgabelloBello I mean chances are if you live in another country America has either whooped or saved your ass at least once.

[@SgabelloBello]

​@@MortalWombat4480 How is that in any way connected to what we were talking about?

[@MortalWombat4480]

SgabelloBello cuz you shat on america

[@justanotherweirdo11]

Americans did not consider themselves European. They left for a reason.

[@grrggrrg4805]

Jontron: "Wealthy blacks commit more crime than poor whites. Look it up." ... *Seconds later* ... Destiny: "Black people generally receive harsher prison sentences than whites" Jontron: "That's ridiculous"

[@k9guy]

both Jon's and Destiny's statements were true

[@ulfenburg7539]

@@gwen534 well tbh the BLM has been nothing but bad

[@brandon13980]

@@k9guy not really. Only source I can find says black kids are more likely to go to jail.

[@sameash3153]

@@k9guy Didn't the person who made the infographic that JonTron was referencing email Destiny and tell him he just made this up?

[@woopoganntnt7379]

@@gwen534 Blm was bad though lmao shit was a scam and it didn’t do shit at all honestly just separated us even more

[@iliyan.6618]

>Think's SJW's argue with feelings instead of facts. >Answers Destiny using feelings and thoughts instead of facts.

[@pride7416]

entirety of the alt right does exactly everything they hate. they're the most easy to trigger too, yet they throw that word around all the time as if they're the ones with iron skin.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodpl9761]

@@pride7416 they don't see it that way they see themselves as the good guys or something.

[@RedPlaystationController]

Destiny is not an SJW. An SJW is to liberalism what an extremist is to religion.

[@MemesnShet]

This such a good way of resuming it

[@MemesnShet]

This such a good way of resuming it

[@SillyNep]

"you're living in a fantasy land" proceeds to say there isn't discrimination in America

[@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716]

There isn't

[@bones_man327]

@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 hey bro, do me a favor. Watch. The fucking. Video.

[@recusantcatholicgroyper101]

Yeah it's called affirmative action.

[@MUGENGaming]

@@recusantcatholicgroyper101 ...which benefits white people (the women specifically) the most. LUL

[@recusantcatholicgroyper101]

@@MUGENGaming Merely the opposite really

[@klarahudler4732]

"I'm not saying that whites should be the majority of the country" THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SAYING FOR THE PAST HALF HOUR

[@Illumirage]

what's wrong with thinking that?

[@frozenyogurth]

@@Illumirage why should the white population have the right to dictate who get's to come tk the country? Whites aren't the only ones living there. Plus this notion of "tribalism" is directly disproven by Jon himself. It doesn't make sense.

[@megafanflash]

@@Illumirage A part of the population that happens to be the majority have the right to keep that majority with laws and regulations vs. people that immigrate and live here happen to not be white due to no laws or regulation. Nice.

[@seangallagher9435]

Damien INSANE-O just mad about mayocide

[@comicsans1689]

@@frozenyogurth If majority white countries are such a problem, feel free to move to a country where whites are a minority.

[@southbayjay2540]

I’ve seen some interesting debate tactics, but laughing smugly every time you get cornered is a new one

[@preussianblau5595]

He's laughing because those buzzwords and slurs aren't shaming him out of his position.

[@glossyplane542]

@@preussianblau5595 is this seriously a pro jontron comment? Are you serious?

[@samasbury4872]

JonTron doesn’t let silly little things like logically coherent arguments change his mind

[@retrohanska4441]

@@preussianblau5595 the buzzwords he was throwing weren't shaming himself out of his position? What?

[@preussianblau5595]

@@retrohanska4441 racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, anti semite, Islamophobia and on and in and on.

[@HazelSolitaire]

Everytime Jon chuckles he loses an inch off of his health bar

[@OMJunkie]

i felt that lol

[@cobaj6226]

When in doubt smugly laugh to hide your pain

[@therealrussellsmyth]

Haha

[@swish153]

He learnt that shit for Sargon, it was so obvious lmao

[@wherefancytakesme]

Jon "RIP my career" Jafari

[@animatheanimationarchive7577]

“It’s all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps.” -Martin Luther King

[@Spencerwalker21]

Is that a real quote.

[@Left4Red]

@@Spencerwalker21 Yup there's footage of the quote

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@Left4Red cool thanks 😁

[@comedyman4896]

damn MLK be spittin fax

[@uhmmchicken]

it's a fucked up thing to say anyways considering that "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" is physically impossible and was originally intended to describe something.... physically impossible.

[@peterphillips8474]

“sAYS yOu” powerful stuff, jontron.

[@erikchingon3566]

@really dude elaborate on who and why

[@gearsoftime9375]

@really dude then he is a complete idiot

[@fugnutz4588]

My god you all got something right up in there don't ya?

[@robertsmith-williams5255]

HE DIDN'T KNOW IRISH WERE CONSIDERED SCUM. wtaf. gtfojontron. read some goddam history before wading in.

[@fugnutz4588]

@@robertsmith-williams5255 >read the propaganda

[@youreokayboah2128]

Jesus, I thought JonTron “racism” was extremely over-exaggerated, but after watching this it’s hard to defend him.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Impossible*

[@BigCalGotADraco]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Its actually easy to agree with him you just need to be a neo-nazi and/or white nationalist

[@Sprite_525]

Agreed. Lots of clipped compilations tried to cover for Jon but Having the unedited long version available settled it for me

[@shaddaboop7998]

This was a long time ago. Nothing he's said or done since has supported the argument that he currently believes any of the nonsense he spouted on this stream. Why does it still matter?

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@shaddaboop7998 He very explicity tweeted pro-trump sentiments and made an anti-vax video full of either out-dated or blatantly incorrect information. He also never apologized for these takes and said he disagrees with them based on how horrendeous they are. He should not still be allowed on youtube.

[@sebastianholzl4668]

"Japan is homogenous" "Yeah, but they are racist. I don't think that's a good model" "I do think that" "So ... you're racist?" *laughs

[@Thane3999]

Japan is not homogenous.

[@hamzerpanzer]

Glorious Untermensch It’s pretty damn close

[@Evadann]

@@loreaver3882 they pretty much are.

[@SallionMang]

@@loreaver3882 they are. Non ethnic Japanese are legally discriminated against there. Try telling an Okinawan that Japan isn't an ethnostate, I'm sure they'd love it

[@chickenfdisoruhg4915]

Jacob Morgan Freaking thank you dude. I was aware that Japan was easily one of the more culturally, ethnically and racially homogenous country-but this apt description takes the cake in concisely tying in what’s wrong with the place. An ethnostate will be problematic and naturally create exclusivity, simple as that-regardless of race (white, black, Asian, etc.)

[@downsjmmyjones101]

52:10 Somehow Jon forgets that Europeans colonized Mexico. The reason they speak Spanish might have something to do with that. Canada was colonized by Europeans. The USA was colonized by Europeans. Mexico was colonized by Europeans.

[@loannebhold]

yes but Mexico has a lot more browns and Jon's half-iranian white nationalist self doesn't like that

[@red2theelectricboogaloo961]

@@loannebhold brown man bad

[@bflaves123]

His head would have probably exploded if someone told him Europeans also colonized Africa...

[@fowlae4414]

@@bflaves123 "I don't subscribe to that"

[@EduardoGonzalez-tc2dg]

@@loannebhold iran's are kinda of white just cause there hairy does't mean they changed race

[@cinnamoncoffeecake5925]

Jontron: *hears a factual statement that is entirely true* Jontron: yeah I just don’t subscribe to that

[@jgdude7460]

@sgt. goy Fact... a thing that is known or proved to be true. Fact... something that has actual existence Fact... an actual occurrence Fact... a piece of information presented as having objective reality Fact... the quality of being actual Fact... in truth Fact... something known to exist or to have happened Fact... A fact is a thing that is known to be consistent with objective reality and can be proven to be true with evidence. You my friend are confusing the word fact, for data. When Nick Holland was saying "hears a factual statement", he was saying a statement which was proven to be true. You're stupid so you confused that with data. Data that could or could not be correct. Maybe you should fact check things before you say them. And yes I'm using the word fact in the correct manner. Now that's not to say "facts" can be wrong, that's where data can help us correct incorrect information. Just because there's a census, doesn't mean that something is true. But when Nick was using the word Factual, he was talking about information, backed up by data, and by logic, to come to a conclusion that is almost impossibly true.

[@jgdude7460]

@sgt. goy "Maybe learn what words mean" I provided the definition, rather the top few definitions I could find on all the websites, which almost always makes fact synonymous with true. I then provided a counterargument that fact doesnt always mean the same as true. I then added another point that in this case, yes it nick was using the word correctly. We can never be entirely sure of anything, so does that mean nothing is a fact? No, because that would be lame and a waste of a good word lol. Truth is, what we perceive as true changes with time, so so in turn fact also changes. So what is true now is that you're dumb. And hopefully in the future that changes

[@jgdude7460]

If people used the word fact the way you say Nick should have used it, the word would never be used

[@jgdude7460]

@sgt. goy I understand that fact and truth dont mean the same thing, and I said that myself, but I also think that based on evidence and logic, fact and truth can get pretty damn close. Such as the laws of physics, or that math is indeed related to science (that was a joke, EVERYONE knows math is not related to science).

[@scoop765]

@sgt. goy True, in accordance with fact or reality Truth, that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality

[@iAmCymba]

“RIP my career” hits different 7 years after the fact

[@CRWeaventure]

Hello from 2034 😮😮😮

[@jameswest7528]

And we all lived long enough to see him try to get famous again 😂

[@johnsmith-dx2ql]

yeah destiny's career is over

[@fraug8624]

Destiny: bro wtf is your argument? Jontron: we live in a society

[@BatmanisBatman]

Lmaooo

[@Cobalt985]

"black people amirite"

[@Jacob-nh9yv]

You idiot, we live on a deserted island with a bunch of choir boys who are a little to quick to start murdering pigs with sticks.

[@Greyz174]

duality of man

[@ChristianFrates1997]

Where honor is a distant memory.

[@pizzashordy]

japan: *is racist* jontron: model society

[@ludvighauger5044]

mila i as an expat in Japan, I can confirm it

[@bukchoiboi1611]

Jon Tron was watching too much anime lol

[@augustebengtrosaupan308]

@x Florio "so?"

[@kermitmurder5536]

@@ludvighauger5044 I think with a lot of expats living in Japan go away with this notion, they start really happy and enjoying it but after a bit the politeness seems fake and then you notice people staring at you and alot of the time people start to hate living there because they fell like an outcast. Your experience mat be completely different but if this is what you experienced then dont think its because the people didn't like you, it's part of the culture to be almost robotic while working and many of them are still surprised to see a foreigner but dont get the wrong impression.

[@mattwong5403]

​@@kermitmurder5536 There's racism in Japan since they aren't used to seeing people who aren't Japanese. In the USA, it's due to explicit hatred of minority ethnic groups and the history of slavery and segregation. I can't think of any Japanese equivalents to the KKK or any racial supremacy recent riots in Japan similar to Charlottesville

[@vinkwick]

Jontron: I don't even know what you're saying, I just disagree with you. ???????

[@baraneo8195]

*facepalm*

[@Sairiui]

Because people like Destiny are wrong, and they think they're right. And according to Spider-Man, that makes him dangerous.

[@IdoruFalls]

it’s extremely cool and not at all indicative of your manchild brain that you’re giving cultural critiques based on spiderman.

[@Andrew-fi1sd]

@@IdoruFalls I'm pretty sure it's just a joke.

[@Colebenson98]

vinkwick DESTINY OMEGALUL

[@rcurl44]

I went back to this video just to realize how fucking stupid I was to think that Jontron did nothing wrong. Big yikes.

[@antonyduhamel1166]

How ironic that you could take the clip of him talking about race and edit in "I don't like where this is going..." And it would be completely on point and relatable.

[@LucasDimoveo]

Watching this in 2020. Jesus, I can't believe it is still relevant.

[@Cobalt985]

I saw a video about escaping the alt-right pipeline, and wanted to check out what he was talking about

[@Boom_OH]

@@Cobalt985 haha bro we both watched the same video. Now were here

[@kylefromtowerc9467]

ShinTensei me too. Holy shit jon is really annoying here

[@christophercuston]

Me Four. lol

[@hallealtieri8619]

Me five

[@smaloney100]

Paraphrasing, but around 51 minutes: JT: “Europeans at the end of the day see themselves as Europeans and they get along”... weird, I feel like I remember like 2 world wars or something, where they didn’t feel that way for a bit...

[@Illumirage]

ancient history, he's talking about today

[@butte5359]

@@Illumirage The world wars happend back in ancient history? Seems like you need to look up when they happend, you might be supprised.

[@Illumirage]

@@butte5359 with how fast time moves in this day and age yes. Think about it, with the news cycle and how fast everything happens even the Covington kids debacle seems like a long time ago. What about the Penn state scandals? Seems likes ages ago. So yeah, I would posit that was a long, long time ago. No, I've been studying WW2 for quite a long, long time. I forgot how condescending you were..... jeez......

[@butte5359]

@@Illumirage There has been a ton of things happening the recent years that's for sure, but that does not change how short time ago the world wars were. There are even people alive who were alive during the second world war. I doubt a person who thinks the world wars were "ancient history" has studied them at all.

[@dkupke]

Butte great scene from The Sopranos: Tony and his gang are grumbling about protests on Columbus Day because of Columbus’ legacy, declaring it anti-Italian and anti-American. And then Furio, the hitman who is actually from Italy, spits at the very name. Because to him Columbus represents the disparity between the north and south of Italy and a reminder of how the south is treated. And Tony and the other monsters are left stunned to learn that Columbus is not a hero in Italy, and that there is enmity between Italians who don’t think of themselves as Italians.

[@jjlomanning6045]

I like how one of jons talking points is: "You're saying white americans discriminated against irish people, look how white they are." Do none of these people know basic middle school grade history?

[@Ragitsu]

Asking a racist about history is almost always good for a laugh.

[@entropicflux8849]

nope. they sure don't! they also hate reading, absolutely hate it. if it's not on youtube or bitchute they don't have time, and who can blame them?

[@soakupthenoise]

they don't understand that whiteness is a construct which has boundaries that shift over time

[@GippyHappy]

Tbh they never taught that stuff in school. I didn’t learn about white immigrants being discriminated against in America until I was an adult. And I didn’t learn about the “white n****r” thing until…..today

[@Hambo325]

To be fair, Twitter and most people nowadays have a thing that's like "well they must be white because they aren't Latino, black, or Asian" lmao

[@josevonbuergenwader2]

DEBATE TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Introduction 3:20 Is America European? 5:09 Identity politics and historic oppression 8:14 People are shaped by their environments 11:31 Who’s responsible for fixing it? 12:53 Japan: a model society? 15:07 JonTron: “When you get condescending…” 17:06 Destiny: “I think it’s a beautiful thing.” 18:07 Are things falling apart? 19:52 Italians and the Irish 22:11 Trump’s racism 23:21 White displacement 31:14 White interests, red vs blue states 35:53 Crime and race 37:57 Does race matter? 38:45 JonTron: “Nobody wants to become a minority in their own country.” 41:14 JonTron: “Immigrants will turn the US into Mexico, live on welfare and commit crimes” 43:12 Immigration and the economy 48:14 More comparisons to Europe 56:30 Back to immigration and the economy 1:01:25 Assimilation and JonTron almost goes max cringe 1:05:06 Black Lives Matter 1:12:27 Back to Europe once again 1:14:24 JonTron: “We’ve gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries.” 1:15:52 Differences in the Middle East 1:17:50 Closing words from JonTron POST-DEBATE 1:18:25 Post-debate and talking to chat 1:20:26 “You should have established the definition of whiteness early on.” 1:22:25 “You should have pressed him on Africa.” 1:22:34 “Why is it bad to have white pride?” 1:23:16 “Do you think JonTron left questioning why he had no answers?” 1:23:43 “Why do black people commit more crime? Do black people not have control of their actions?” 1:25:58 Stefan Molyneux is a sophist. 1:27:34 “He was wrong about poor black people committing more crime.” 1:29:42 “Planned Parenthood conflicts with the South’s religious views.” 1:30:39 Destiny: “I’m not an SJW. Don’t witch-hunt.” 1:31:44 “Where do you stand on Native-American rights?” 1:32:59 “What about immigration from Muslim countries?” 1:33:26 “Would you debate Shoeonhead?” 1:33:58 Pewdiepie 1:34:26 Parroting talking points without being able to back it up, politics shaped by narrow paradigms 1:38:11 JonTron’s use of the terms “virtue signaling” and “identity politics” 1:42:10 Comparing petty crimes to more serious crimes 1:43:19 When JonTron brought up the gene pool LOL 1:43:38 1:45:26 Illegal immigrants paying taxes? 1:44:34 1:46:02 Why Destiny didn’t want go into Europe and Africa 1:49:00 1:56:08 Religious culture vs secularism 1:54:05 Contraception

[@carlwheezer1030]

This man's is a god

[@dandromeda1]

Oh damn you're awesome

[@josevonbuergenwader2]

@@dandromeda1 Thank you! Hope it helps!

[@rossmanmagnus]

thank you esaint

[@whoknows5093]

Hell yeah

[@Qwazin]

Jon: I understand we are talking in broad generalizations here. Destiny: We can talk in specifics if you want. Jon: No no no

[@PAA1992]

You took that out of context, jon did not say "no no no" to talking in specifics at all, if you listen to what he said it was "no no no that's not what I'm saying" so he was replying to something else destiny said.

[@teddroberts2918]

The fact that this gets so many likes is evidence of how dishonest liberal folks are.

[@maggiepaul5911]

@shankapuppet he doesn't have to.. Destiny explained multiple times that once you get dug into a certain level of conspiracy theory, it can get difficult to refute. He used the example that he probably wouldn't be able to debate the worlds best flat earther, but that it doesnt mean that you're then forced to take flat earth as a legitimate theory. The problem is that Ryan Faulks positions are so unfounded by modern consensus on iQ that it is almost parallel to the flat earth theory(it is). Besides, destiny did a pretty good job, so I don't know why you're gloating. I think it's pretty insane that people like you legitimately expect mainstream academia to look at these fake ass secluded websites(like the alt hype) and take it seriously. These websites are created to validate the world views of people like you. These ideas should've been extinct a long time ago.. evolve like the rest of us! I don't know why you race realist attack Destiny for debating "low hanging fruit" and claim that he should "talk to the experts," when arguably, you could say the exact same to Ryan Faulk and fucking Sean Last. You'll never see the day when Ryan Faulk, or any of those other little fuckers on that propagandist web page, reach out and debate turkhiemer or James Flynn. Why do you think that is though? It's because they'er pushing for an agenda and a fake image. You can contact Turkhiemer and James Flynn directly; trust that I've don't it before. You won't see nobody on the hereditarian side of the argument do this for a reason.

[@FoogiYT]

@shankapuppet oioioi the Jon Jafari KZbin page Jontron is a high and well made form of entertainment.

[@Illumirage]

@@maggiepaul5911 does evolve like the rest of us, what exactly does that mean? Accept your soon to be minority status? Getting a vibe out of you...

[@kevinwallace4635]

As a fan of JonTrons channel for years, I always thought the mumbles I'd hear about him being a white nationalist to be overblown, but holy shit. His views are irrefutably abhorrent. Glad I finally watched it for myself.

[@kevinwallace4635]

@Kuthond 😘

[@joncolumbino744]

Kuthond why are you so mad over a youtube comment? you’re the one with the problems here.

[@joseparra8801]

@Kuthond you too bud you a hypocrite just by responding with that arguments and your getting mad cause he's a nationalist kinda seems like you mad because you associate with him

[@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín]

@ Adam Apocolyspe ok kid

[@woottastic]

@Adam Apocalypse nice comment edgelord "Huehuehue brown ppl bad"

[@AbyssalDrake88]

Also, Mexico was settled and colonized by Spain, a European country.

[@juanjones6463]

Most Mexicans are part European.

[@jasonhill2879]

AbyssalDrake yeah but it’s mostly made up of Aztec descendants surprisely

[@juanjones6463]

@@jasonhill2879 last comprehensive study said the avg Mexican is 35% European 65% Native American.

[@jasonhill2879]

juan Jones yeah that’s what’s funny about it

[@juanjones6463]

@@jasonhill2879 it's a beautiful thing my brother. USA is on the same path.

[@AuroraIceFlame]

As a fan of jontron for years this was like listening to my fun uncle I’ve known my entire life talk about his batshit insane political views for the first time randomly over thanksgiving dinner

[@Illumirage]

So you're pro genocide then?

[@regisglass5464]

@@Illumirage that's odd, why would jontron be correct in stating those like him being born is replacing al white people? As you call it a genocide, what should be done about jontron?

[@sporovid5856]

lol same. You and me are both so late to the party with this video.

[@XenoghostTV]

​@@sporovid5856And are both wrong cause Jontron was right about literally everything.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@XenoghostTV Yeah, seriously. JonTron was correct.

[@Yagot]

I've heard about this debate for a while but never got around to watching it, and holy shit it's worse than I thought. He's genuinely clueless. It's insane to me that Destiny will say an actual fact backed by statistics and Jontron has a knee-jerk reaction to it and says "I don't buy into that." He's so delusional.

[@TheApoohneicie]

Yagot I know, right? Destiny rips him a new bootiehole.

[@Illumirage]

what's wrong with a person not wanting to people like him to disappear?

[@Argi1000]

@@Illumirage because it's not a real issue

[@Illumirage]

@@Argi1000 career demographers say otherwise there sport. But no ill take you who has zero background in that field over people whose career revolves around this....

[@Zach-hi5gw]

@@Illumirage Yeah, cuz your "career demographers" are equally reliable.

[@tucansam999]

Should have used some flex tape to fix the holes in his ideology

[@brooklynyangoue8806]

Luis Espinoza 😂

[@Gamberbro237]

Destiny: "What does that mean" JohnTron: *T h a t s A L o t O f D a m a g e*

[@matushy]

Omg im dying.

[@Rensoku611]

@Mac Loud he got blown the fuck out

[@Rensoku611]

@Mac Loud the worst part is that he still watches crowders videos. Goes to show that they dont care about facts as they claim to be. They are based on irrational hatred and thats it

[@TheScholarabull]

So lemme get this straight. He wants a white ethnostate. And doesn’t even know what white is?

[@regisglass5464]

Apparently, he feels destiny was taking "the whiteness away from" him because he's middle eastern 17:08

[@TheScholarabull]

Regis Glass thank you, tbh this video was very hard to follow because the topic kept being shifted. I wish Destiny would’ve wrangled him down, and stopped him from jumping from on thing to the next. I know he did sometimes, especially when he’d try to jump to a whole other country, but I wish he would’ve done it more so the video could be a bit easier to follow

[@TheScholarabull]

Pazuzu right! I don’t know how he can say those arguments out loud and not realize how ridiculous they sound/are

[@AndyTomlins]

He seems to think that the white supremacists then allow him to stay. They wouldnt.

[@flamingtoaster8707]

To be fair, a lot of white supremacists care more about skin color than bloodline/ethnicity/nationality

[@cldomed550]

I’m Mexican, John saying “Mexicans are gonna rape and commit crimes” is just, wild. I immigrated here with my mom, I graduated Highschool, made it though collage, and currently looking for a job. I can’t name a single illegal thing I’ve done, my white friends are a whole different story

[@cldomed550]

@Adam Apocalypse shut up n!66@

[@thefrenchareharlequins2743]

@Adam Apocalypse statistics in relation to action are a historical happenstance

[@GrimlyYours]

I hope the job search is going/has gone well, buddy ♡♡♡

[@cldomed550]

@@GrimlyYours shut up n!66@

[@Taboomix]

Good for you? Nobody cares bro

[@lyricbarnik1557]

"we have a police force to fight oppression" that aged well

[@Lee-fw5bd]

yeah... that deserves a f in the chat.

[@spht9ng]

I bet JonTron scrambled to find a way to call George Floyd a thug that deserved to be killed.

[@georgenaron5603]

@@spht9ng no one deserves to die but he was a life long thug no one would argue that he isnt

[@spht9ng]

@@georgenaron5603 Anyone can have a terrible past. Its just really irrelevant and is only brought up to say the officers did nothing wrong.

[@commandermerc58]

@@georgenaron5603 Who cares honestly brass tax here an officer went out of line and wash;t immediately detained because the system works in his favor. Imagine if it didn't go viral. Oh wait we don't have to there are dozens more cases like that, which were only reopened when community leaders used the momentum of the protests to bring awareness. The "but he deserved it" rhetoric is terrible and unlawful. Rules are set in place and we expect those enforcing them to be an example and follow them.

[@Korachenko]

Jon isn't terribly bright.

[@oephry3253]

I watched a video by xanderhal who explains how he went down the alt right rabbit hole which directed me to this video and now my whole world is upside down. I didn’t notice these things I deemed as meme or just a fact were so dangerous. I feel like I don’t even know how to proceed with life. Even then I don’t think I was ever as fucked as JonTron lmao. This was years ago so hopefully he’s changed

[@Prodigi50]

Considering Jon hasn’t said anything about the BLM protests except that he misses grilling. This would’ve been a perfect chance to show he changed but he hasn’t said anything.

[@user-oq9js2tj1f]

@@Prodigi50 but at least he's a little bit more centrist

[@MrDuncanGilbert]

I came from that same video

[@lyricbarnik1557]

i came straight from there too!

[@MrDuncanGilbert]

@@lyricbarnik1557 I was always under the impression that Jon Tron was always attacked unreasonably, like PewDiePie being called a Nazi, but no JonTron is literally saying an enthostate is desirable yikes.

[@Tito151]

I recently found JonTron through KZbin suggestions and hearing this is just flipping my world. Never meet your heroes, kids.

[@skidmark422]

i watched jontron when i was like 11-13 and just found this shit 😭

[@duxangus]

Still my hero

[@puffinatheart5565]

@@duxangus 🤨

[@ChiefVizier]

Seriously. My family is from the middle east. Jon tron is half iranian. He wants to talk about not letting "incompatible cultures" into the US? Insane

[@KolomlynskyHSP1]

I watched Jon Tron for a LOOOONG ass time and I've heard he said some weird shit but I never knew it was THIS bad

[@heqraouzi6739]

to keep it real, I just heard about this and came in with a johntron bias. you've changed a lot of how I think, thank you.

[@Illumirage]

Yeah how dare he not hate himself and people like him!

[@butte5359]

@@Illumirage Nothing like that was said in the video, try watching it.

[@Illumirage]

@@butte5359 its the implication however. Destinys stance essentially is that white people should all hate themselves and want every country they inhabit erased and replaced. You echo these sentiments being the racist that you are.

[@butte5359]

@@Illumirage Got a timestamp for when that was implied or said? If not, I'm going to assume you've simply not seen the video. You can call people racist all day long, but if you can't back your statement up it's simply empty.

[@Illumirage]

@@butte5359 i believe we've already went over this and I have provided you timestamps. We already said that it's baked into the rhetoric, he seems absolutely astonished that a certain group of people would want to remain a majority. Implying he feels otherwise. It's also odd, a lot of the things you say are Hollow and yet you accuse me of that. It's almost as if you're projecting, again. And again if you don't agree, I don't care. Agree to disagree. You don't have to sign off on things for it to be real or not real. I know you Destiny personally feel as though you have to police the comment section, being Destiny and all. This isn't an antifa meeting okay, not everybody has to tow the leftist progressive line here buddy

[@taylortek5031]

JonTron: "whites will become the minority" Destiny "why does that matter?" JonTron "ITS TRUE LOOK IT UP!"

[@Vario69]

I mean, it's only natural to want to preserve your genes...

[@ABCodeX]

@@Vario69 Yes it’s natural to want to pass down your genes, but it’s not natural to cherry-pick groups that you can pass down your genes based on race, that is manufactured by our society.

[@Ragitsu]

@@Vario69 Fuck off back to 2017.

[@mikkokulmala560]

@Luck Genuine Lightning b-b-but they look different, it's scary and stuff!!1!

[@Sadstr]

The only reason it matters is because whites don’t want to suffer the same fate as the minorities they have oppressed all this time

[@JohnSmith-hm7rb]

J: here’s something S: here’s why that is factually incorrect J: (anime villain laugh.)

[@Suinlu91]

@@An_Obese_Beaver i liked that you used the phrase "pussy laugh" since it shows exactly what kind of person you are and how old. no wonder you believe in pseudoscience.

[@Suinlu91]

@@An_Obese_Beaver what the fuck are you talking about? i fully understand you as a person? you completely made that up. i said that your choice of words show what KIND of person you are. please learn to read properly and don't make up shit. since you said that jontron is "factually checking" somebody, it is safe to say that you believe in the same things that jontron said in this debate. he took numbers from fucking memes and other sketchy sources and pretended like they were the truth. when he was pressed on those numbers, he gave a pseudoscience reasoning for why he believe in them. and by proxy you to do, too. at least you are acknowledging that you have a puny one-sided mind which show that there is still hope for you.

[@Axxilles]

@@Suinlu91 Jontron was literally citing fake facts some dipshit made up and posted on Reddit. I can't believe people still come to watch this video in support of Jontron. I'm here as a revisit of "what did US stupidity sound like 3 years ago?"

[@Suinlu91]

@@Axxilles yeah, it's insane.

[@sambutton8494]

@@Axxilles Cringing very hard at Jon's "displacement" theories, didnt age well after the Christchurch shooting...

[@Scawtsauce]

"what's wrong with white people become I minority" Destiny asks 14 times, JonTron never answered.

[@burneraccount8416]

"What's wrong with the most accomplished race on Earth being overrun by the worst?" Gee I dunno

[@PR--un4ub]

@@burneraccount8416 Consume feces.

[@regisglass5464]

@@burneraccount8416 i assure you, jontrons issues don't stem from his race and those like him existing is not overrunning the nation (regardless of what he says).

[@laurensahanna5826]

@@burneraccount8416 ah such a simplified view of history, what weak minds

[@kingrollypollyvii5565]

@@laurensahanna5826 Didn't even attempt to counter his point at all. Just deflect and dismiss. You people can't argue at all.

[@lazyskull7949]

Jontron clearly didnt do his research. only believes memes on 4chan /pol/

[@aclg7087]

Yes

[@regisglass5464]

Probably 8chan too.

[@idontlikeyouyo]

Yeah probably. I had exactly the same views as him before after just years and years of /pol/ brainwashing. I wanted to debunk Destiny, so I started watching him and started gathering data. Generally it seemed Destiny was right about most things he said it's just our world views were different. I had to question why I had so many views that were racially motivated, it did seem like I was a bit racist. I had to ignore a lot of data to data that I preferred to validate my world view. Thank Christ Destiny de-radicalized me before I went into the deep end into unironically believing the JQ shit instead of just meme-ing about it like I used to.

[@bimbowithadegree420]

@@idontlikeyouyo 👏 im glad you got out. I almost got radicalised into full alt righter too, even though it clearly goes against my interest. Watching a lot of Lauren Southern and others like her, i started slowly radicalising to the point i didnt recognise myself anymore but i still believed it. It wasn't until my mom got sick and i went through a really traumatic event that i saw the realities i faced and then i started actually reading my assigned readings (before i used to read them just to dismiss them as liberal propaganda) and really finding out that my worldview wasn't substantiated by any real world pheneomena or data. I'm better for it though because i now know for sure why i believe what i believe and i can defend it.

[@user-vv1do1wg1j]

@@idontlikeyouyo sure you did.

[@Dreadnaught1985]

Kid is mixed race, argues against mixing races.

[@alexanderjahans2292]

Race mixing is the worse thing you can do to a child

[@mihalygorog3398]

hes not mixed race you absolute troglodyte. iranians are white, the word aryan comes from iran. if you saw a picture of him youd 100% think hes white.

[@RihannaIsIluminati]

Kafferlord nah we hate assholes who judge people by their fucking skin color.

[@whendidyoutubeaddhandles]

@@mihalygorog3398 one look at Iran's president; they're not all white my negus.

[@mihalygorog3398]

@@whendidyoutubeaddhandles he could easily pass off as an italian or a spaniard

[@inkarnator7717]

As a German, calling yourself "European" is not unheard of, but it is never used to identify yourself culturally in a normal day context, it is almost always used to make a political statement.

[@Cuntypostaldude]

I call myself Scandinavian or European depending on the context. Idk if I'm either since I'm Finnish

[@reechforthebleech]

Yeah us English never ever call ourselves European and I don’t think we ever will. We always refer to ourselves as English, British and such. When an English calls themselves a European it’s pretty much always an EU supporter who does it.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

yeah that's what I thought. Jon's ridiculously racist views backfired in his face.

[@BBWahoo]

jonny is a semite to boot, this is like the kramer incident but for gamers

[@xxxEXxxGODxxx]

@@Cuntypostaldude youre not scandinavian, but European. Finnish people are part of the Nordics, but not Scandinavia as scandinavian denotes the scandinavian root of the danish, Norwegian and Swedish language , which Finland doesn't share :)

[@Yulenka-]

The most insufferable part of this debate is Jon's obnoxious laughter after every stupid thing he says.

[@XenoghostTV]

He did not say one stupid thing, you just think incredulity is an argument.

[@NoNonsenseSkyblockGuides]

​@@XenoghostTVI hope you recover from your disability and work on nullifying your autistic traits

[@woahitshellboy]

@@XenoghostTV??? actual brain rot

[@Grimhowboutyoushutup]

@@XenoghostTV poor guy

[@riina___]

love him bringing up Japan lol I love living here but u don't wanna know how many jobs and apartments I've been denied cause I'm a foreigner. model society, my ass

[@wais_45]

you have to remember Japan is a homogeneous society, even tho the last 15-20 years people in Tokyo are kinda used to tourists/foreigners, a lot still dont want to live/associate with foreigners.

[@riina___]

@@wais_45 yeah I know that. Japan is not a good example for a good working homogeneous society. Birth rates are declining, society is getting too old, Japanese don't want to do blue collar jobs so they made a special Visa for foreigners to do unskilled work. Japan and it's supporters often praise how homogeneous the country is and how it should stay like this. But doesn't look like it would be working out without immigrants. Also, not being used to foreigners shouldn't make xenophobia ok. Sorry for the ranting. But actually I was looking for work in Tokyo and hat tons of companies not wanting to hire foreigners here too.

[@riina___]

@@wais_45 really sorry for the rant. I actually think we're agreeing lol

[@wais_45]

A.R.M.Yバネッサ no it’s fine I completely agree. Japan definitely isn’t a perfect example and on top of that they’re economy hasn’t really grown in the last 20 years. Immigration definitely helps any type of economy but not sure how countries like Japan would welcome that since they’re homogenous. All those factors you highlighted exist and I agree.

[@riina___]

@Steven Farmer thanks for the reply! They dont show you apartments or have policies to not hire foreigners. Everyone knows. It's not a big taboo, just how things go. I got an awesome job btw no worries about me ;)

[@arigrey8499]

Johntron: joins debate with tons of non backed claims Also Johntron when destiny continues the debate: stop trying to trap me

[@monkeybudge]

As a European who regularly travels in Europe I always find it funny when Americans talk about Europe being on fire or in some sort of death throws.

[@gamer_gawd5520]

Conservative Americans (and even some Conservative Canadians) also like to say Canada is a shithole that is being overrun by a terrorist while Canada ranks higher than the US in almost everything besides military power and GDP, but that's not even that big of a deal because the US isn't really competitive on quality of life so any country could beat them there

[@gamer_gawd5520]

@anyways Yeah I don't like it when Canadians bash America all the time. Although they have a point I still think it's disrespectful because not all Americans support American policies. I think they should focus their criticism on the US government because they are the ones responsible for most of the shit that happens. I'm Canadian but I don't have a problem with Americans, I have a problem with the American government.

[@africantdeal254]

anyways they don’t. Most of the rest of the world make fun of the obesity epidemic and school shootings

[@kingvince7328]

Funnily enough Europeans do the same thing to America tho? Lmao. Both are in hot political climate tho and that's undeniable.

[@kingvince7328]

@@gamer_gawd5520 America has the #1 standard of living. Do not respond to this if you dont know what that is. Cant tell you how many people think it's based off how many poor people a country has.

[@olivreheck]

this was a weird episode of game grumps

[@graysonelliott6115]

Did... did jontron just compare the chinese government’s destruction of Tibetan culture and Buddhism to people of different races legally immigrating to the US?

[@m.a.d.4441]

Lol yeah. The only reason the Chinese Communist Party did that anyway was to assert control over their populous. Same reason they murdered those protesters in '89. Had nothing to do with race and everything to do with cancerous political ideologues.

[@aron1936]

That's a fucking dispute over selfgovernance and has nothing to do with this lol. They've literally kidnapped their spiritual leaders.

[@leokocyte8943]

@@kg356 Now you're the one pushing a false equivalence. What the Chinese did to Tibet is Chinese Supremacy. White people wanting to remain the dominant demographic in western nations is not equivalent to whites seeking international domination over other racial groups in non-white nations (supremacy)

[@Andrew-fi1sd]

@@leokocyte8943 There is no way to maintain a dominant demographic without either forcefully kicking people out, killing them, or trying to outbreed them by regulating interracial relationships. Those sure sound like white supremacy to me.

[@leokocyte8943]

@@Andrew-fi1sd Again. To clarify. White people adopting any of these policies in Western nations, is not supremacy. White people ruling in white countries is not "White Supremacy". Going in to Tibet, seizing assets and promoting policies that subdue the local population would be supremacy. A good example of supremacy in action is the Jewish Supremacist state of Israel. Not because it is an ethnically segregated country, that actively promotes policies that favour Jews (this is called sovereignty); but rather because of the continuous and deliberate encroachment on adjacent lands in Palestine (a state whose Sovereignty Israelis deny). The borders of Israel have been expanding for decades by the military-supported seizure and settling of Palestinian-owned land, to which the Jews have no rightful claim. Do you see the difference, Andrew?

[@mockinbirds]

JonTron’s research for this debate was an argument in the comment section of a Sargon video

[@keepwhiningtankies3594]

Not a bad source, I used it in my masters thesis

[@Perseus115]

@@keepwhiningtankies3594 POV: you failed your thesis

[@allydef]

@@keepwhiningtankies3594 This has to be satire

[@amuroray9115]

@@Perseus115 lmao

[@zzodysseuszz]

Because he’s making objectively correct assertions. But he’s arguing against someone like destiny who is a grifter at best and an ideological optics juggler at worst.

[@codybarlik4524]

Not even flex tape can patch the holes in jontrons arguments.

[@VitorMiguell]

finally watched this. HOLY SHIT. Jon got *obliterated* I laugh out loud when he said "YOU'RE THE ELITE! WHAT?? are you an working man now?"

[@nonamenoname9322]

“If you don’t think we’ve got rid of discrimination, then you are living in a fantasy land.” -Jontron 2017

[@butte5359]

@Adam Apocalypse Because discrimination is still a thing?

[@gearsoftime9375]

@Adam Apocalypse have you not heard of police brutality and black people not getting jobs

[@semimad100]

@@mrwindchimes8020 I only have 2 slaves. i dont get why people call me racist. i used to have 2,000. I only have fucking 2 now. people project so much. clearly a problem that isnt as bad as it used to be means theres no problem at all, right?

[@nicholassingh1476]

Lol welp

[@Aquaricky1]

I am amazed... this dude goes full on racist with that gene pool comment lmao.

[@dkupke]

Few racists think of themselves as such. They think they are just “telling it like it is.”

[@passionofthecrust9173]

@@dkupke Whats wrong? Do YoU JUsT haTE FacTS?

[@danielmoreno-gama5973]

Passion of the Crust what facts? All I hear 13/50 with the only explanation being prehistoric African warrior genes not the multiple gang wars going on because people have no other way of making money but ok live in delusion if you want

[@passionofthecrust9173]

@@danielmoreno-gama5973 Obvious /s

[@MrCmon113]

I'm not a white nationalist, but Europe for whites. : 3

[@chainsmagoo8656]

Since it's apparently debate-hour, I'm just gonna go ahead and make my case: Jon really should have told Arin how to land on the platform.

[@monsterrink]

Now that is a vintage meme.

[@cage.nicolascage.2977]

This needs to be the #1 thumbs-up'd comment

[@RottingSkeleton]

Chains Magoo Its no use!!!

[@jnmaniac1393]

disliked. They both had the same amount of time to learn the damn mechanics, Jon just figured it out quicker. You see it all the time on Game Grumps, where Arin doesn't just try all of the fucking buttons and runs around like a dumbass. It's his damn fault he didn't figure it out.

[@cage.nicolascage.2977]

I'm reading "Jnmaniaci" but all I see is "The Fun Police"

[@MikeLiteraus]

Jontron won, took seven years, but he won

[@BobbyBoy-pe2qt]

Nope he is still wrong

@@BobbyBoy-pe2qt Not really wrong. Jontron was right about everything and he won.

[@BobbyBoy-pe2qt]

White supremacist still wrong lol

[@mushroomsoup379]

I mean Destiny is an ass, but at the very least the fact that people think Jon won this debate shows the rise in fascism worldwide

@@mushroomsoup379 You hear it guys. Winning against Destiny who promote sharing revenge porn without multiply women consent to random stranger is fascism.

[@sneedfeed7204]

Jon took /pol/ memes too seriously. His ideology completely falls apart once he's actually debating a person and not posting behind a screen on an imageboard. Anyways, the twitch chat is funny af

[@sneedfeed7204]

Also really amusing how he continously smug laughs when he's unable to refute destiny 🤣

[@LOLquendoTV]

Sneed

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@LOLquendoTV Not at all. No one is acting like this.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@LOLquendoTV Nope. Not at all. Your comment implies that the top comment is acting like a "sneed" which is something around called a "nerd" by internet definition which clearly not true. No one here is acting like a "sneed" at all.

[@LOLquendoTV]

@@Gadget-Walkmen you will never be a farmer

[@johnstraszewski7624]

"This word, racist; what does it mean?" -JonTron 2017, in response to an assertion that racism is rampant in Japan

[@TheVampirePredator]

Weebs often try revising the definition to maintain the illusion it’s Heaven on Earth. I lived there for many years and loved it, but had no illusions the face it puts on for the outside world is a veneer.

[@Phos1010]

@@TheVampirePredator Bro please dont put my squad weebs and JonTron in the same category.

[@munnymatt]

I mean don't act like it's a stupid question there's many forms of racism

[@alessandrocoatti5186]

@@munnymatt such as?

[@Yoroiful]

Everything is racist to americans tbh. meanwhile calling an entire country racist is fine. Ok.

[@Cupit29]

Jontron is trying to argue that the US should be a white majority country without saying anything racist. Watch him squirm 😂

[@Cupit29]

@@bigrooster9794 Why? 😎

[@jasonst2871]

@@bigrooster9794 At least your proud to be racist buddy

[@dogol284]

Legitimately curious... you got a timestamp?

[@theheadbanger6685]

No he really wasn’t really at all leave jon alone you dick

[@pandacakes6613]

@@theheadbanger6685 He chose to enter a debate, should we not criticize his points?

[@sanmar6292]

5 year late Andy here. The most telling part was Jon pointing to Africa, when beeing asked where the problems of black Americans come from. Hard to explain how to come up with that analogy without racism.

[@PR--un4ub]

@Chris Lando Yeah, you're racist.

[@yoloswaggins7121]

@Chris Lando It's overly simplistic and it really makes no sense unless you only see things through the lens of race. Like, if I told you that people with blonde hair commit more crime, would you say it must be because they are blonde?

[@j.steffens6831]

@Chris Lando Ah so youre just racist, got it. Correlation=/Causation.

[@zzchillzz4824]

@Chris Lando bad take

[@RanEncounter]

@Chris Lando You literally agreed to being racist in your hypothetical instead of actually looking at the problems the group have.

[@MatthewAndThings]

I think i'm starting to understand why Jon mighta "left" gamegrumps

[@jacobmerchant1908]

@Jose Lopez jontron fr said the n word in game grumps videos. Game grumps have went back to cut them out

[@NB-hh7ph]

Arin said the gamer word as well

[@lunarballoonistxo]

No seriously

[@mauricionascimento9662]

@@jacobmerchant1908 They cut out the classic gingerbread house N-bomb from the Sonic 06 run?

[@Tekkerman]

He left in 2013 what does this mean?

[@arjunsharma5120]

Destiny: So why is it a bad thing? Jontron: *Chuckles* come on man

[@donovanmenard8423]

I hate when JonTron nervously laughs and just says “cmon man...” it’s like he’s saying “cmon, just be racist like me”

[@gamj7509]

That's the Sargon laugh. Fuck, Soygon has poisoned so many brains.

[@willfarkas2445]

Does that nervous laugh and predictable line apply to Joe Biden as well?

[@Guanglai_Kangyiii]

@@willfarkas2445 Yes, it does. Biden is truly disgusting, but at least he's not mister quasi fascist.

[@willfarkas2445]

@@Guanglai_Kangyiii cringe take smh

[@Guanglai_Kangyiii]

@@willfarkas2445 So do you prefer to have Trump as your president? How masochistic.

[@mannhouse8014]

Jon makes stupid claim Destiny refutes claims Jon laughs, huffs copium Jumps into next point 🔄 repeat

[@Grimhowboutyoushutup]

unironically how every trumpoid conservative acts

[@indiahodgson3816]

JonTron: the US and Canada are alike similar because they were colonized by Europe, unlike Mexico .... he knows Mexico was colonized by Spain (which is in Europe) right? Makes you wonder whether his issue with Mexico was really it’s history or a problem with the color of its inhabitants

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

To be fair, unlike northern America, middle amerca was pretty densly populated, in comparison, so there is actually a difference in how much of the population has Native American roots, since the populations intermixed a whole lot more. In the US it's much less likely that someone has native American genes than in Mexico. How and why is this relevant to a modern debate about racism? I have no idea, I just wanted to point out this little historical tidbit.

[@SirDankleberry]

You do know that a lot of Mexico and South America still has deep native roots right?

[@indiahodgson3816]

Sir Dankleberry yeah, i also know there’s still a tremendous amount of racism against indigenous people by those who have more european descent - sound familiar?

[@SirDankleberry]

India Hodgson: I dunno I don’t live near America but I can tell you it’s the opposite in Australia. I’m a quarter cast and my indigenous side hate that I was raised by the white side of my family even though they abandoned me.

[@666GodofDark]

@@SirDankleberry What the other person said is completely true, I'm south american and there's just this big thing about making fun of people more "indian looking". It's truly sad.

[@jasplund]

Wow, JonTron sure is obsessed with skin colors.

[@pbskidzat1244]

@asian dude yes?

[@Xalmuster]

@Adam Apocalypse His people would be his ancestry, not white people in general just because he has white skin.

[@PSspecialist]

@Adam Apocalypse White privilege: When even your supposed "genocide" doesn't involve anyone actually getting killed. No one is dying out. You just don't like having to share the same rights with brown people. That's not replacement, it's equality. You're going to have to deal with it. Or shoot up a concert like a loser to vent your frustration and live the rest of your pathetic life behind bars. Whatever the case, you're on the losing side. Never too late to change though. I know it feels cowardly but honestly, doing the right thing is more important.

[@SporkyMcFly]

@@PSspecialist Am I a racist if I am concerned with a race getting replaced by other races that outbreed mine? Or am I only a racist if I equate it to a genocide? Over a long time, the result is the same, though I don't agree with the term, but tell me please what's wrong here.

[@PSspecialist]

@@SporkyMcFly See, I consider this to be a loaded question. In the sense that there is no official data to support that any ethnic group within any nation is getting "outbred". Do people outside western nations breed at a faster rate than people within them? Not everywhere but generally yes. BUT! We are discussing about what happens within western nations not outside of them. Immigrants that move to western nations either to escape war or simply for work slowly but surely adapt the western lifestyle and that involves having less and less kids. I can link however many studies you want that confirm this. You are kinda close to expressing a legitimate concern of mine. The fact that it's becoming more and more unsustainable to have more than one or even a single kid in many western countries. That has nothing to do with immigrants. It has to do with workaholic culture and the unrelenting pace of our modern lives under capitalism. Whether or not you're a racist isn't really the point here. I don't fucking know you, I don't know if you're a racist. The point is to make sure you know who your true enemies are. If you are legitimately concerned about people, even just "your" people, (however you choose to define that) you should know that ethnostates simply aren't the answer. JonTron kept bringing up Japan in that trainwreck of a discussion. Have you looked at Japan lately? It's the oldest fucking country on the planet. There's a culture that is legitimately killing itself for profit. Work work work to make the red line go up. Spouse and children come second. That's usually how life goes under these "proud" and "glorious" states. Thanks but no thanks. I plan on being a family man one day and I wish to live in a culture that values equality between the sexes and between people. I don't want to share all of the economic burden in raising a family. I want my wife to have her own financial independence. I want paid paternity leave. I don't want to work to death in order to realize some unrealistic platonic ideal about how a "proper masculine *insert my ethnic group here* man" is supposed to behave and look like. Fuck that fascist shit. I care about the physical and mental well-being of people more than I care about flags and borders. And you know what physically and mentally healthy people do when money and time allows? They make babies. You know what people also tend to do by themselves even unconsciously? Marry within their own cultures. What I'm saying is you could have what you want without the nazi shit but just having to accept that yes, you might see an interracial couple every now and then. It's a million times better than what Japan has.

[@joshuakoppes3665]

“Black people have longer sentences than whites” Jontron: That’s just ridiculous Finally me and jontron agree

[@Ragitsu]

*claps*

[@Ragitsu]

@Adam Apocalypse Another apologist ^.

[@joshuakoppes3665]

@Adam Apocalypse huh

[@hyperx72]

@@Ragitsu I think he's saying he agrees that Black people having longer sentences is ridiculous. As in its stupid that it happens and not trying to say it doesn't happen.

[@Ragitsu]

@@hyperx72 Oh, don't worry: I understood his meaning.

[@his0kath295]

Came here because I saw some people upset about a jontron collab with papa meat, and I knew nothing about him so wanted to go to the source. And holy shit it’s so much worse than I could’ve imagined.

[@itsbeebaby]

Glad you went to the source

[@Illumirage]

Bot comment

[@Illumirage]

Aaah yes, not wanting your country invaded. What a fool....

[@butte5359]

I remember doing something similar back when this debate was new. It felt quite shocking hearing Jon say these things. You did great checking out the source, more people should do that. 😊

[@Illumirage]

@@butte5359 dear God....

[@Disdain7133]

I ignored this video at first thinking "Jontron isn't that bad, right?" I looked at it for the first time today. This really hurt. The saddest part though is that he thought he was not only right, but "Would like to be proven wrong." Breaks my heart.

[@Gemerl]

Same. I REALLY REALLY hope he’s learned and grown since then but idk 😔

[@Ragitsu]

@@Gemerl He hasn't learned anything.

[@Ragitsu]

@La' Mariposa "I used to think people were just overreacting so I never paid attention to the drama surrounding Jon" How long ago was this?

[@lalaluv093]

I hope your feeling better man. I'm a white women, but while I was watching this I thought and tried to imagine that they were talking about women, and keeping men the majority. It made me really realize how shitty this probably feels to poc listening and especially poc who are John Tron fans. It sucks unbelievably to still be fighting racism in 2020, but I want to make a better world for my kids and the next generation of our world. Peace be with you brother.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@Gemerl He's actually worse now.

[@FrappuccinoAlfredo]

Childhood ruined. Well, at least it was painfully hilarious to watch.

[@scrantonrogueofthesilvertr9031]

Domino the Dominator yeah never meet your heroes, apparently. A generation grew up on this man’s content. I grew up on his content. I still think he’s funny. But he’s a fucking nationalist.

[@FrappuccinoAlfredo]

Scranton Rogue of the Silver Trio This is my opinion but I don’t even think his content is funny anymore. I miss the old Jon.

[@scrantonrogueofthesilvertr9031]

Domino the Dominator that’s valid and understandable but that’s actually funny cause looking back I preferred his like flex tape + content and find his older videos to have aged a bit badly. But I can’t watch his new stuff so much anymore without thinking of his views. It’s one thing to read a tweet of your hero saying some racist shit, it’s another thing to actually hear it coming out of their mouth in the same voice that would previously make jokes about Pokémon or Star Fox. After that you can’t hear that voice the same.

[@FrappuccinoAlfredo]

Scranton Rogue of the Silver Trio If I had told my younger self what he had said on the Destiny debate, back then I would’ve thought my future self was lying. It was so unexpected for me and you and a lot of his fans, it doesn’t even feel real. Yet here we are.

[@scrantonrogueofthesilvertr9031]

Domino the Dominator I agree. Even now, fans are still only now uncovering this interview and talking about it (though I knew about it already I’d never actually sat down to watch it until now). And totally can relate to that “wouldn’t have believed it” thing. For a while I basically /didn’t/. Fans have three options. One: stop supporting Jontron. Two: Decide to support him while knowing he’s a shitty person. Three: Agree with Jontron. It’s that last one that’s really dangerous when you consider how many young fans he has . . .

[@CarlosGordo97]

Is jontron trolling? It just doesn't even seem real at points.

[@phylwx]

Nah, he's just racist.

[@RC-hv1yx]

phylwx A racist who seems to genuinely believe that he’s not. “Oh I just want a homogenous white country whose demographics won’t be tainted by brown foreign invaders, I’m NOT a white supremacist! You’re just a sensitive libtard!” I’d respect these people more if they’d just admit what they are.

[@mrjuicyjuice3109]

@@RC-hv1yx yeah it's always more frustrating when the racist cant even see that they are racist

[@Billionsmustchill]

@@mrjuicyjuice3109 It's not frustrating, just sad :(

[@Illumirage]

@@mrjuicyjuice3109 you just described all five of you. You're anti white racists.

[@SpeedSheikh]

a fun drinking game if you want to annhilate your body is to take a shot every time Jon awkwardly laughs for a few seconds because he has no idea how to respond, before saying an answer either unrelated or racist lmao

[@olive5261]

I NEED a drink after watching this. Causes me physical pain every time jesus fucking christ

[@SpeedSheikh]

@@olive5261 💀💀💀 spare some for me. I was listening to this whilst at work and I wanted to throw hands w the air

[@olive5261]

@@SpeedSheikh I feel that LMAO

[@johnilyemson]

I mean, I don't like myself sometimes, but I'm not trying to die.

[@Shinyslaking64]

@AndrewTateOfficial I'm doing the same, quietly mumbling to myself "why are you laughing???" And "dude nu-uuuuh."

[@christianjoseph6502]

Jontron literally sounds like the human embodiment /pol/

[@TitoLounge11]

Every one of his points came from a meme from there and he takes it as fact lol

[@andrewprahst]

Tito Lounge A disappointing large portion of people do the exact same thing.

[@MattacksRC]

Pol is great shit though.

[@gergolaky3624]

@@MattacksRC I dont know man. Its just not funny enough to make me feel okay about all the hatred it spreads.

[@Oromia64]

@@gergolaky3624 what hatred?

[@deardeer1469]

Some people are saying that Destiny was somehow unfair to JonTron and that he "backed him into a corner" or asked unfair questions, but if he had correct, logical, and consistent ideas he would've been able to hurl himself out of the deep pit he dug for himself and answer questions coherently and logically. If your worldview is well constructed and thought out, this kind of thing doesn't happen.

[@isjenjsns625]

kvar I’m very confused by why people are saying destiny backed him into a corner and treating that like destiny wronged him like that’s how a fucking debate works. If your points can’t counter someone else’s then that means that either your side is inherently flawed or you’re just not knowledgeable enough.

[@juancarloscadimajr4971]

Kafferlord t are u copying and pasting lmao

[@vasilismgks5591]

Yes but from what I understood he couldn't handle pressure at all so he started cracking and expressing his opinions in a different way than the one he wanted tbh I watch both destiny and Jon and I don't think Jon should be called a racist and a white supremacist for making one mistake..

[@giannigiovful]

Vasilis Mgks “One mistake” Come on man, you listened to the video, right? He was entrenched in that garbage.

[@midnightlynx]

@@vasilismgks5591 So is there a JonTron video somewhere where he adequately addresses the things he failed to address here, once outside the pressure of a live debate format? I know that's the first thing I'd do, if I represented myself this badly.

[@inafridge8573]

Lmao jontron thinks immigration is the same thing as colonization

[@moderncrusader1150]

Jon didn't articulate his points but I've seen a lot of conservatives saying that "immigration without assimilation is colonisation" . If he brought up this point then he would've had an argument since Destiny is constantly making assumptions about how well different cultures would assimilate into others . For example , in Germany women are prohibited from walking in muslim dominated areas without a hijab . Now please don't get mad at me for asking a question but how could Destiny have countered this point if Jon had brought it up because I'm too lazy to think of a valid argument

[@regisglass5464]

@@moderncrusader1150 Apologies but jontron also gave false statements. Why do you believe giving more would help? For example, german women do walk in muslim neighborhoods without hijabs.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@moderncrusader1150 What you said about the hijab wearing german women isn't true. where the hell are you pulling this claim from? Source?

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@moderncrusader1150 NO! Nobody wants yo here this BS that he "didn't articule his points" clearly because that's nonsense. It's not even that Jontron is "unprepared" for the debate. He's "unprepared" for having an opinion on the matter to begin with. That's the problem. He's not nearly knowledgable enough on the facts of the topic to render an opinion, but he does anyway. So he deserves to get roasted like he did.

[@BBWahoo]

shittiest colonization ever in that case

[@judechidozieezenyi9493]

When you're strolling around on X in mid-November 2024 and "things" just... lead you to this video.

[@fey0217]

destiny: this is a conversation about the united states of america jontron: *BUT IN EUROPE*

[@Illumirage]

same phenomena. Totally fair.

[@regisglass5464]

@@Illumirage i am confused, why is it similar?

[@xyzzyxzyxxyz]

How is it an irrelevant argument? The country is vastly different but the situation is the same.

[@gergolaky3624]

@@Illumirage The problem is that Jon is mostly saying Hungarian propaganda. I live in Hungary I heard these. It doesnt count in america. It is 100% fair to call this out.

[@gergolaky3624]

@@xyzzyxzyxxyz Jon is saying Hungarian propaganda. I live there I heard these before. In hungary we dont actualy have a problem with mexican migrants. Belive it or not. Not even muslims come here.

[@theeverchosen1504]

Jon is such a buzzword debater, all his points are like youtube comments

[@SheydokGear]

Incredibly cringey dude. Holy sh-

[@woah56]

It's also cringey to comment on his debate style from four years ago as if his mind hasn't changed. Jon obviously had no idea what he was getting into at the time.

[@ReubMann]

@@woah56 its also cringe to be monitoring this video in order to defend your racist daddy but go off king.

[@DeezN1892]

@@woah56 willing to bet jon is the same

[@pangiokuhli512]

@@woah56 I actually found about this video after his weird twitter rant a few days ago.... and this guy is exactly the same lmao

[@LuongoLet20GoalsIn]

I remember hearing about the whole “JonTron is racist” thing, but I didn’t care enough to look into it back then. But holy fuck, this is so much worse than I would have ever imagined. Dude’s just dropping the dogwhistles left and right, jesus christ.

[@naenaebaby8123]

bro i was down the rabbithole when this happened 💀💀

[@somejabroni51]

I remember listening to the metokur debate and going "wow destiny got destroyed!!"..... yeesh.......

[@fupoflapo2386]

So then it turned out...he wasn't racist...

[@fupoflapo2386]

@@somejabroni51 there was no victory here, only a clown fest

[@somejabroni51]

@@fupoflapo2386 if you want to be cringe and wrong on a 5 year old video go ahead just please don't involve me in your retardation

[@guydude6388]

I like coming back to this. I was practically a fascist 3 years ago. And this is probably the starting point of me turning into a more sane person lmao

[@amyb.2968]

That’s awesome! Good for you!

[@Illumirage]

"fascist" LOLOL So now you're full on antifa anti-America hating commie. Well done!!!1!!!11!1

[@Illumirage]

@alvaro.chileno total projection. You've lost touch with reality. And you're a racist.

[@Illumirage]

@Mannech No I just think you're so intolerant that anyone to the right of Karl Marx himself = fascist. Leftists nowadays are some of the most intolerant people on the planet and the vast majority hold more in common with fascists than anyone on the right. Get a grip on reality.

[@Illumirage]

@Mannech _"I think you're assuming a lot here. The left generally doesn't equate the all of what the right incapsulates towards fashism."_ That doesn't make sense, first of all. I think the modern left, not the old guard left, does in fact not only hate the right, but many straight want us dead and gone. They're beyond intolerant. It's gotten to outright gen0cidal talk. _"The thing that concerns leftists about right wing is that it often serves as a 'gateway ideology' towards fashism (the youtube right wing echo chamber is a particularly good example of this)."_ There is no less of a pathway to extremism on the left than there is the right. That's a two way street. Quit acting like that's singular to the right cuz it isn't. I would argue there is MORE of a path to extremism on the left, because the left doesn't get called out or banned by YT for their extremism, they're practically applauded. Have you heard some of the shit they're saying? Have you ever watched a Vaush video? The guy is batshit insane. Have you seen the videos of Olly from PhilosophyTube praising antifa, literal domestic terrorists? _"And I don't think the leftists are really more hostile than the right."_ Are you even vaguely familiar with antifa??????!?!?!?!?!?! Where have you been the last 4 years? In a coma? _"Both can be very hostile for sure tho."_ Are you familiar with Willem Van Spronsen? What about the Ohio antifa shooter? What about the guy that attempted to kill a conservative congressman on a NY baseball diamond? I have so many examples you'd probably faint after reading them. You have tunnel vision because the news doesn't report your mistakes, and you hear about the fewer by volume mistakes the people on the right make for months on end.... You have no argument here.

[@micahbell5322]

I feel like every time Destiny is about to refute a point Giorno's theme should start

[@ronswanson7339]

i’m like 1/3 through the vid and now i hear it every time lmao

[@benayasdebela1164]

No

[@kungpowpenis4743]

Reddit moment

[@Axxilles]

Loaded up 6 different versions of DiGiorno's theme and played them whenever Destiny fired back. Definitely gives this 3 year old video new life!

[@raggedyexynos9487]

He talks really fast

[@eximmt]

This is insane to watch, he is literally a living counterexample to his arguments

[@HotRossBuns]

The shame is they are both right in their own way. Jon was right to fear the distress and that the country was coming apart, fast forward to now. Half of America burns because some people can't stand the color of skin they are born with. Destiny was also correct that all of the blame can not be placed on Black People, they can not be expected to take care of the past transgressions themselves. But alas, whenever the United States of America tries to offer whatever program they cook up for the vocal black minority who insists on having it; it always is to the detriment of the black community. You can build roads, schools, infrastructure, books, special curriculums, none of it matters to the black communities of America, they are unresponsive, on life support, just mindlessly thrashing their bodies in fits of rage, most of the time they don't even know what to be angry about. None of it matters, all of it burns.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@HotRossBuns How does it feel to be on the losing side of history?

[@Empyre18]

“We can’t import people from incompatible cultures” says the dude whose parent came from Iran of all places.

[@Feedmeakitten]

@@PR--un4ub How does it feel to be off your meds?

[@ReubMann]

@@Feedmeakitten whats wrong with needing meds???

[@axlglenn2156]

Regis Glas vs Illumirage the eternal battle goes on, an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.

[@regisglass5464]

I feel oddly flattered

[@Illumirage]

lol

[@CoercedJab]

@@regisglass5464why would you feel flattered about a comment like that? Serious/ genuine question? Because it strikes me as arguing for the sake of attention/arguing to be flattered by a comment calling attention to how long you’ve been doing it 😂

[@regisglass5464]

@@CoercedJab that's not inaccurate

[@maxjmh795]

Destiny: Makes valid point JonTron: *nervous laughing*

[@alexsmith2910]

That's always my biggest take away. Besides the more important stuff. It's telling with these anti-sjw types.

[@piewert787]

"You're trying to trap me again!"

[@kyriedacrybaby1938]

Maxine McQuarters You mean racist laughter

[@youngjdef]

Jon makes a claim Jon can't prove it Jon gets frustrated Jon makes another claim rinse and repeat

[@chillcapybaracitrus]

Jon makes another even worse claim* xD

[@entropicflux8849]

jon slyly implies some races are inherently inferior to others and then laughs and refuses to extrapolate or retract his statements

[@Taldram]

You forgot the nervous and smug laughter.

[@WindowsXPFrog]

I hadn’t watched this whole thing until now. Wow. This is so cringy and sad.

[@Illumirage]

Yes i cringed at Destinys genocide advocacy too.

[@TheH10ne]

destiny seems like a braindead libtard

[@wildfire9280]

@@Illumirage wHitE gEnoCIde REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@user-qs2nr3ee6l]

@@Illumirage MUH WHITES REEEEEE

[@IhsanAmin]

@@TheH10ne Saying libtard in 2020 lmao

[@DaDa-rg6ts]

Jontron: Your arguments aren't consistent Jontron's arguments: "Get outta here with that"

[@KrunchyTheClown78]

Whoa, I avoided this video for 2 years because I didn't want to waste my time, but damn is Jon clueless in this debate.

[@mrjones5636]

@Kafferlord tf has this to do with anything?

[@theprophecy3732]

Mr Jones he’s a bot. Don’t worry

[@mrjones5636]

@@theprophecy3732 seems like it

[@joshuaramirez6615]

Mr Jones yeah, seen him in other which ass videos

[@TheLilPorkChop]

Same tbh

[@damienlolos8811]

I realize I'm late on this one but hearing Jontron be a racist conspiracy theorist is so much more chilling than just hearing about it.

[@TikalKeria]

I think hes changed a bit since then, or at least hes apologized for what he said so I would assume his opinions have changed. Still pretty shocking to hear him completely seriously believe this?

[@TikalKeria]

@Jonah Harris he really went full out white nationalist and didnt think anything would happen.

[@TheTealPrince]

@@TikalKeria I think he is a fairly reasonable person who is just dumb and ignorant. I was suckered down the "anti-SJW" hole as well around the same time as Jontron. Personally I was going through a rough patch in life and had a lot of frustration that I needed an outlet for. I never bought into especially right-wing ideas, racism or sexism but I did notice myself slowly softening up on positions like that. Luckily I got my life sorted out and had some underlying issues straightened out, and immediately I recognized what I had let myself be so easily manipulated by. Jontron in this video is pedling a lot of the same shit I might have said back then... I don't think he's a bad guy, I think he's been fooled by the ridiculous projection of the world that the "antis" are spreading. I've noticed a lot of former "antis" having the same experience as me too, so here's hoping Jontron is another one and that he grows ot of this bullshit.

[@TikalKeria]

@@TheTealPrince I agree.

[@TikalKeria]

@Kalevi Urpilainen I dont think hes racist but I think the views he displays here come across racist.

[@antimatter3084]

'Reads comments' Comes back a war veteran

[@smmm5559]

LOL 😂😂😂😂

[@antimatter3084]

@Kafferlord Okay

[@whoaccountisdisanyway2985]

With PTSD

[@micksmith5123]

@Kafferlord i could help but read that in a french accent

[@myklfan9738]

@@ryanredd5493 Denmark and Norway lol

[@kongoagon]

this debate makes me wonder if jontron ever took a US history class in high school. literally everyone who had a high school education remembers that Irish and German immigrants were descriminated against in the early 1800's. like the propaganda signs are in all our textbooks saying things like "Irish need not apply." and even if he doesn't know that and couldn't pass a history class, it's so easy just to google it.

[@69inmath46]

I can tell you haven't read a single book because of the unnecessary word, "literally" is part of your terrible vernacularity.

[@saranchan9556]

Half-Iranian white supremacists? We're truly living in a special time...

[@CivilWarBuff82]

Saran Chan Lol Iran had a Nazi party actually

[@cramax4871]

Word Aryan came from Iran....

[@akumar9270]

Iranians are genetically Caucasian. They were the original Aryans hundreds of thousands years back

[@ashesmandalay1762]

​@@akumar9270 "Genetically caucasian" makes no sense. Do you mean "genetically white" or "genetically from the Caucuses". The second one isn't true, but the first one doesn't make sense because "whiteness" is just one tiny part of genetics and it's shared by a whole variety of people. Clarify what you're talking about, please. Also, Iranians are a mix of ethnicities with very diverse backgrounds. You've got Azerbaijanis, Persians, Kurds, Turks, etc. The one genetic ancestral group they all share is the same one all Europeans and Asians share, the Indo-Europeans. Horseback people who came out of the steppes thousands of years ago and spread across Eurasia. The original occupants of Asia are now only found on remote islands like North Sentinel island, where that Missionary was killed recently for trying to invade. Those people have defended that island against Indo-Europeans and their descendents for literally thousands of years and that's the only reason they're still here. All Europeans, Arabs, Asians, South-Asians, etc came from the same tribe only a few thousand years ago, our differences are really small and cosmetic; epicanthic eyes, higher cheekbones, slight variations in iris color, little stuff like that. Those differences evolved relatively recently, within the last few thousand years. "White people" are only "white" to gain as much vitamin D as possible from the limited amount of sunlight available at northern climates. It's not a trait that indicates much other than that, east Asians are also white, but with epicanthic folds (which European white people also get sometimes). Like I said, we're all part of the same tribe that took over Eurasia. That tribe is best known for killing and conquering and, what do you know, its ancestors are carrying on the family legacy. It's interesting to me that JonTron thinks it's black people who are genetically more aggressive. I don't remember Africans invading and slaughtering another continent for profit.

[@ardabyss4202]

@@ashesmandalay1762 he meant Persians are white

[@brutaljustin1349]

Yeesh, if only Jon had flex tape to seal up the holes in his arguements.

[@cynical8330]

People might still respect him

[@Illumirage]

@@cynical8330 he's getting more views than ever. funny how you totally excuse destiny's racism though...

[@RedPlaystationController]

You’re the hundredth person to say that, you all are sheep.

[@italianwaffle5592]

@@Illumirage wait, Destiny's racism?

[@Opi0id-z]

@@Illumirage There is no racism from Destiny smoothbrain, I'm black and have followed Destiny since the beginning before politics, you sound like a racist excuser that's using the classic yet pathetic "but he is doing it too!" excuse.

[@TheBman57]

He would go “You are not living in reality” every time he’s wrong

[@Illumirage]

no

[@DeathnoteBB]

Yeah people like Jon love to pull that card, ironically

[@tonyreyes3780]

JonTron is a giant billboard advertisement for the Dunning-Kruger effect

[@rashs6302]

destiny: *states statistic* jon tron: i don't subscribe to that.

[@Icebergslim_1]

rash s u say destiny states statistics yet he said communism was an "economic" movement?

[@rashs6302]

The Berg what?

[@Icebergslim_1]

rash s yea destiny says that communism is an economic movement

[@TheNicolombiano77]

No

[@nedisahonkey]

@@Icebergslim_1 Communism IS an ecbomic system first and foremost. I think you're conflalating communism with Leninism, Stalinism and all their spin offs. I'm not saying that in practice communism hasn't been political but it's origins lie in economics.