Debating the Trinity vs. The Oneness w/ Dr. Jeremy Lang & Dr. Arthur Hermon

[@thangteajathang8653]

God is only one,his name is Jesus christ.

[@lrzotea561]

There is only One true God:-One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Ephesians 4:5

[@Aman.pocast]

This obviously is an act and not a debate. Both are oneness Pentecostals. This is to clear for those who might think it’s real.

[@jackwill6605]

Thank you sir. I almost wasted my time watching this 😅

[@clarion1571]

Here we see Oneness acting out their typical strawman debate tactics. Now they don't even need the Trinitarian, they just pretend to be both sides. LOL

[@jmac-z8q]

Why not have an actual debate instead of staging one?

[@clarion1571]

because they loose the real ones ...

[@jmac-z8q]

@@clarion1571 exactly lol

[@jmarcia619]

​@clarion1571 don't u have 3 God's 2 pray 2?

[@jmarcia619]

Don't you have 3 God's 2 pray 2?

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

25:50 Here the Oneness speaker deliberately misquotes the Trinity which teaches three distinct NOT 3 SEPARATE persons. The Trinitarian is absolutely clueless in that he never challenges this deliberate misdefinition.

[@jesuisdavid1]

doesn't distincy and separate basically equal the same difference?

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

@@jesuisdavid1 No it does not, the Trinitarian creeds expressly state that we do NOT beleive that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are separate: see the 4th point of the Athanasian Creed: "not dividing the substance."

[@jesuisdavid1]

@@christian.comedy.channel.2 well either way it isnt monothesic...choose...either you believe in One God, capable of creating a body and simultaneously living in that body while still being on the throne

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

I've got over 130+ discussions with Oneness Pentecostals (UPCI, PAW, Bibleway and True Jesus Church) up on my channel in the Oneness playlist.

[@dgreenja]

Are you referring to formal discussions in the form of debates, or both formal and informal?

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

@@dgreenja I'd be happy to debate either oformally or informally for instane on zoom.

[@dgreenja]

@@christian.comedy.channel.2 would you debate a Dr. Marvin Sanguinetti who is in the UK. He is a oneness scholar?

[@ralphowen3367]

On the right hand of God, please reference Eccl. 10:2, where it says that a wise man's heart is at his right hand. God is the wise man and the son of God being God's heart is on the right hand of God--metaphorically.

[@BryanHeard]

Perfect example of how fragile Oneness theology is.

[@dgreenja]

If the divine nature of God, is defined as three persons, then what is the divine nature of Jesus Christ? If the one God is not restricted to one person, then the God who is Jesus, is he one person or more than one person? The God who was manifested in the flesh, is he a tripersponal or a unipersonal being? If there is no unipersonal God, then is it that Jesus is not a unipersonal God? Surely Jesus is a unipersonal God. Within the one God of the oneness believers, a tripersonal God does not exist. But it appears to me that within the tripersonal God of trinitarians the Father is a unipersonal God, Jesus is a unipersonal God, and the Holy Spirit is a unipersonal God. So both the oneness and the trinity, have something in common, which is the unipersonality of God. I think the oneness doctrine is where the truth of who God is, lies. The trinitarian' concept of “right-hand”, is understood by trinitarians to mean “right-side of” which position trinitarian theologians will have to prove.

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

Right hand only means He has power an authority now not sitting next to another person

[@jamesbutler3960]

Well Stephen (in the Bible) explains that a little bit differently. 😉

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

@@jamesbutler3960 no difference, Stephen is telling you that Jesus is God. He called Him my" God and Lord Jesus Christ."

[@jamesbutler3960]

@@mr.renaissancemts4083 No, Stephen said he looked into heaven a saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

@@jamesbutler3960 read acts 7:59 sir,..so you can get a full context on what you just said

[@gimel77]

When the Bible says that God gave Jesus a name above every name, it means that God gave it to him. When did he do that? When he exalted Jesus and gave him all power. But wasn't his name already Jesus when that happened? So what does it mean when it says that God gave him a name? It refers to an authority above all others. This is evidenced by every tongue confessing that Jesus is "Lord." Now, if we look at what Paul is saying in 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, he is very clear, that since God gave this to Jesus, God himself is excepted from this. See verse 27. When the Holy Spirit conceived in Mary, giving birth to Jesus, the child born of Mary was called Jesus. Now, there is no difference between capital and small letters in Hebrew. Any capitals you see in an English translation are put there by the translators and don't mean anything as far as what the original text means or says. Jesus was a true human being. That means he had a truly human name. The name Jesus is really a shortened form of the name Joshua, and both Joshua and Jesus are represented in the New Testament as Iesous. The name of God that he was talking about at the end, Yahweh, did not change. That's God's divine name, and it's his eternal name. However, we are instructed to come to God in the name of his Son, as Jesus is the only way we can approach God and receive salvation. This is the Scriptural reason why we baptize in Jesus' name. It has nothing to do with what Jesus allegedly said in Matthew 28:19, which is a lone verse and is unlike any other verse on the topic, and which verse has been challenged by serious scholars. Baptism in Jesus' name really has nothing to do with the oneness doctrine, or the trinitarian doctrine. It has everything to do with Jesus being the only way to God, to the Father. The "compound names" that he was talking about, like Jehovah Jireh, Jehovah Nissi, etc., are not names for God, but they are the names of places. "Jehovah Jireh" was the name of the place where Abraham offered Isaac. "Jehovah Nissi" was the name of the altar where the Israelites defeated the Amalekites at Rephidim. When you take the name of God and compound it with another word, it's not God's name anymore, but the name of either a person or a place. The same is true with other compound names of Jehovah, like Jonathan, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and...Jesus. So teach the truth of only one God, but teach it correctly. Jesus was not a "nature." Jesus was a historical person born of Mary, conceived by the Holy Ghost. It was this person who died on the cross, and resurrected. It is this same person that God made both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36).

[@kczofa2566]

Only One God this Name is Jesus Christ.

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

Would you debate me (a Trinitarian) on zoom or whatsapp?

[@gimel77]

@@christian.comedy.channel.2 I will. But I believe differently than what's presented here.

[@ralphowen3367]

Not 3 separate persons in God. That theory was debunked in the first few centuries after Christ. Then they said not 3 separate, but 3 distinct persons.

[@alanhales1123]

Strongtower, do you believe the Trinity, or the erroneous Oneness teachings?. Surely no one is so blinded that they can't see the Bible teaches the trinity.

[@alanhales1123]

It didn't take Jeremy Lang long to prove the trinity, his first scripture shows the trinity. I thought Mr Lang was a Oneness man. Then he is wrong about the Greek not having "Hand", as in right hand of God. It's easy to see that Mr Lang is very ignorant of the Bible.

[@x-qj3mk]

For me, to make the understanding of trinity and oneness easier to understand, try to use a ventriloquist doing his act (watch it carefully on youtube especially the professional ones), then imagine God the Father as the ventriloquist but since God is Spirit then you can't see the "ventriloquist" and He is omnipresence, now the doll could represents Jesus. So now what Jesus saying about The Father make sense and easier to understand, e.g. who has seen Me has seen the Father, The Father is greater than I, etc including when Jesus was baptized a sound from heaven said this is my Son... and Paul writing that "The Son is the image of the invisible God". Now, the act of a ventriloquist when watched by a children under 5 years old he/she could be thinking that it has 2 persons (more if the ventriloquist has more than 1 doll) but to an adult it is 1 person.

[@tongakhan230]

Does one mean that God is fooling everyone?

[@westcoast2546]

I was waiting for a real debate 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@randytaylor9897]

This should give you clarity: STOP USING TRINITY it leads to confusion. Use Gods written word, this is what the bible says: Godhead The term Godhead is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature. We’ll take a look at each of these passages and what they mean. In Acts 17, Paul is speaking on Mars Hill to the philosophers of Athens. As he argues against idolatry, Paul says, “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device” (Acts 17:29, KJV). Here, the word Godhead is the translation of the Greek theion, a word used by the Greeks to denote “God” in general, with no reference to a particular deity. Paul, speaking to Greeks, used the term in reference to the only true God. In Romans 1, Paul begins to make the case that all humanity stands guilty before God. In verse 20 he says, “The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (KJV). Here, Godhead is theiotés. Paul’s argument is that all of creation virtually shouts the existence of God; we can “clearly” see God’s eternal power, as well as His “Godhead” in what He has made. “The heavens declare the glory of God; / the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Psalm 19:1). The natural world makes manifest the divine nature of God. Colossians 2:9 is one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fullness”) of God (translated “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].” Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9). In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine Being; the Godhead is the one and only Deity. Jesus, the incarnate Godhead, entered our world and showed us exactly who God is: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known” (John 1:18; cf. Hebrews 1:3).

[@alanhales1123]

randytaylor, the Bible shows the trinity very clearly. Oneness people are blinded by the spirit of antichrist that's in them, that's the they can't see the Biblical truths. The Bible says those words deny the trinity are unsaved antichrist's, and that's a Biblical fact.

[@boneytchannel4919]

There is not Trinity in a bible. Jesus is only one true God. Mark 12. Deuteronomy 6:4. God is one, God is not person, It's a title. Son is not a person, it's a title. Holy Spirit is not a person, its a title. Father(God) is Jesus. Isaiah 9:6 Son is Jesus Matthew 2:21 Holy Spirit is Jesus I Korinth 13:5 God, Son and Holy spirit is a title. Not person. God, son and holy spirit name is Jesus.🙏🙏

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

I debate anti-Trinitarians, would you speak to me on zoom or whatsapp?

[@tashabell1904]

How can one be begotten, but eternal? That’s literally a contradiction. Also, I’d like to see the scripture that says God is three separate, but equal persons.

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

The flesh was begotten but what was in Him was eternal. God made that body to redeem us,to sacrifice Himself. No contradiction you just don't have the understanding. John 14 26 and John 15 26. Did you get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ or the three titles

[@jackwill6605]

It’s not a contradiction. The word begotten in the Greek in monogenes which means “one and only” or “unique”. Jesus is the unique Son of God AND is eternal.

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

@@jackwill6605 begotten is an English word not Greek. And the purpose for saying begotten because it has a time of birth. You won't find no scripture that says Jesus the man that was flesh and blood nature was eternal...flesh and blood cannot enter heaven so what are you talkin..smh

[@jackwill6605]

@@mr.renaissancemts4083 The Bible was initially written in Greek. It’s translation into English helps us understand it in our native language. This does not mean the English translation has freedom to reinterpret meaning and context. The term "begotten" in English represents the translation of the ORIGINAL Greek word 'monogenes.' You’re taking begotten out of context and the Greek, various translations, and various scriptures have exposed that. For example, John 3:16 in the NKJ translates monogenes to ‘begotten’ while in the ESV monogenes is translated to ‘only’. Despite the differing words, these translations don't present contradictory meanings; instead, they emphasize the unique and singular nature of the Son without implying conflicting interpretations. Also, I can easily show you scripture that says Jesus the Son is eternal in nature. Hebrews 1:2 “but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, THROUGH WHOM HE CREATED THE WORLD.” ‬‬So how can the Son have come into existence at incarnation if the Father created everything in existence through the Son? This alone shows the Son preexisted incarnation and creation. I have much more clear evidence but I don’t want to make this too lengthy.

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

@@jackwill6605 so we go off that logic however that flesh and blood is not eternal because it had a beginning. Only the Spirit which is God is eternal. What denominations getting wrong is the two natures Jesus had which was flesh and blood and divine. The Son was made so what verse do you have in your Greek meanings that will help saying that flesh and blood the Son was eternal

[@zampuiasingson8890]

Only one God jesue

[@alanhales6369]

Where did Dr. J Lang get his doctret from? Because he certainly doesn't know the Bible. He quoted Deut 6: 4, not knowing that it proves the Trinity. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God (Elohim Plural) is One (Echad Plural) Lord. In case J Lang doesn't know, "Plural" means more than One person.

[@ralphowen3367]

The soul of God was praying to the Spirit. With no plural persons of some trinity involved.

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

The Trinitarian (Arthur) in his skinny jeans and weird hair style looked silly, and was clearly out of his depth. I wonder if either of these two speakers are really educated to doctorate level, I'd imagine that both possess unaccredited diploma mill certificates.

[@tongakhan230]

Jesus knew whom and what he worshiped. He told the Samaritan woman: (John 4:22) You worship what you do not know; WE WORSHIP WHAT WE KNOW, because salvation begins with the Jews. The very fact that the Trinity is still being debated shows that it has no scriptura basis. TRUTH is never debated. Only controversies are.

[@maruatamaruata890]

One Earth One God,,,,only

[@lawrenceora5905]

God never address himself as holy Trinity in the old testament. He address himself as " HOLY ONE Of ISRAEL". You see Jesus when asked which one is the greatest in Mark 12:38-40 commandments..He said" HEAR O ISRAEL THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD" He didn't said " The Lord our God are 3 persons in one God... Or There are 3 of us in the God Head". Thank you.

[@jimmyperales6945]

I love this Trinitarian guy, he's hilarious 😂. Gotta give him props for his humbleness. There's only one God, and his name is Jesus. Ain't no plural person's to it.

[@TheRightMedia]

Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Father is not Jesus or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not Jesus or the Father. The Father is one person. Jesus is another person. The Holy Spirit is another person. All are God, and there is one God. Lang debates like a child. Lang’s whole point at 27:30 easily could’ve concluded “so we see the Father and the Holy Spirit are not the same individual” proving Trinitarians correct. But instead he presupposes he’s right and draws a conclusion that’s not in the text. Then Lang calls Jesus “it”. Is this guy serious? Sad how many people he leads astray through heretical rhetoric. And why does Lang keep referencing Rome? Nothing about the Trinity is “Roman”. That’s like the KJV-only crowd saying they don’t use Alexandrian texts, only those from Antioch because Egypt=bad and Antioch=good even though that’s not remotely Biblical. It’s just baseless drivel.

[@dgreenja]

Jesus being God, does that refer to the person, the nature/essence, or both the person and the nature/essence?

[@upclosepersonal]

How's your praying towards the Holy Spirit God 3rd person? Lol.... such nonesense. Holy spirit is not the father Spirit and is seperate lolololo... guess Jesus has 2 daddy's in heaven. The father and Holy spirit. Lol.

[@tongakhan230]

The fact that the Trinity is being debated shows that it has no basis in the scriptures. No first Century follower of Jesus indulged themselves with any debate about who Jesus is. 1 Corinthians 8:6 there is actually to us ONE GOD, THE FATHER, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

[@melowsaul5271]

Where was jesus before he was born and what was his foam

[@tongakhan230]

@@melowsaul5271 : Jesus was an ANGEL. This will help understand this fact. (Galatians 4:4) But when the full limit of the time arrived, GOD SENT HIS SON, who was born of a woman and who was under law, John 6:51  I am the living bread that CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN. All angels are in the FORM of God. They are SPIRITS. See Hebrews 1:14. (Philippians 2:6) who, although he was existing in God’s form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God.

[@gimel77]

The child born of Mary, Jesus of Nazareth, was a person. Not a nature or a mode. A real person was born in Bethlehem. It was this person, Jesus of Nazareth, who prayed to his heavenly Father. It is this same person that God made both Lord and Christ, and gave all power in heaven and earth. God didn't make his flesh Lord. He made a person Lord, and that person is Jesus of Nazareth.

[@thecalling6122]

Pentecostals get a couple things right. We should all be baptized in Jesus' Name, just as all examples of baptism in the Bible portray, and God is one individual person. But their focus on the gifts of the Spirit, and specifically on encouraging all congregants to pray and hope for 'tongues' or Holy Spirit baptism, is just not Biblical.

[@Gabyrock89]

The hand symbols in the beginning of the debate gives away the trinity doctrine & tells you there's something wrong with it. The fact we have to go to the number 3 to tell an unbelieving world about who God is shows how much the trinity is in opposition to the one God of the Bible. I came to the oneness revelation of God in 2014 & that changed my life ever since.

[@jmac-z8q]

He’s not Trinitarian, this is a Oneness church having a fake debate with a fake Trinitarian.

[@andys3035]

‭‭John‬ ‭16:13‬ Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Where it says **"for he shall not speak of himself;** but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:" Question 1: who is the Holy Spirit speaking of if not Himself? Question 2: where it says "but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:" Who is the Holy Spirit hearing from?

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

​@@andys3035did you get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ or the three titles of God

[@andys3035]

@@mr.renaissancemts4083 don't sidetrack. Look at the verse above and explain it to me using a oneness interpretation only and see if it makes sense. Your question is only to divert.

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

@@andys3035 my bad I didn't see that. But the Father is the Spirit. In this verse Jesus spoke as flesh and blood. There is no flesh and blood in heaven...to recognize Jesus as the son...God manifested into that body that was a sacrifice. Now, to sum up all this do you agree when Jesus told the apostles to go and baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost that Acts 2:38 fulfills that deed.....

[@cloudapostolicassembly5742]

God is spirit God is not one person. His person is in the person of Jesus Christ. We do not teach one person in the Godhead we teach there is one God and how he’s revealed himself in the person of Jesus Christ.

[@puitealalpuitea9081]

There is no Trinity in Bible ,everything you do should be in Jesus name

[@dualtags4486]

God is not uni-personal. He’s triune, Jesus is not the Father.

[@dgreenja]

​@@dualtags44861Tim 3:16 presents God as unipersonal. The God who took on flesh, of course, is not unipersonal. It must mean that it is a unipersonal God who was manifested in the flesh. Jesus is one unipersonal God. The unipersonality of God, is therefore taught in the scriptures.

[@dualtags4486]

@@dgreenja 1 Timothy 3:16 doesn’t state the father manifested. It saids God manifested. This all leads back to your bad exegesis of John 1:1. The word manifested flesh

[@dgreenja]

@@dualtags4486 that is not the point I am presenting in 1Tim 3:16, that it refers to the Father, even though I am of that persuasion. My point is that the God who was manifested in the flesh, is a unipersonal God.

[@dualtags4486]

@@dgreenja Yes 1 Timothy 3:16 states God manifested but you’re making the assumption it’s the father. Even tho it doesn’t say the father

[@alanhales6369]

Strong tower student, please tell the Mr Lang to stop letting the devil use him to spread his lies. Please tell him to stop making things up, things that oppose the Bible. Tell him to stop showing his ignorance of the Bible.

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

Lol...he ran on that last question

[@ralphowen3367]

God speaking within Himself: see on Gen. 8:21: "...and the Lord said in His heart..."

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

The flesh was speaking to the Spirit,..being an example of what we should do

[@ralphowen3367]

@@mr.renaissancemts4083 Exactly. I like that way of putting things.

[@mr.renaissancemts4083]

@@ralphowen3367 glory to God

[@ralphowen3367]

@@mr.renaissancemts4083 And peace and goodwill toward all men.

[@gimel77]

Jesus' prayers was not flesh praying to spirit. It was the person of Jesus of Nazareth praying to his heavenly Father.

[@VeenaFernandes-fo1ew]

Dr Herman u don't have the hidden god mystery

[@mgonz5914]

☝️

[@frederickwilliams3319]

This is one of the most disgusting, dishonest mockeries I’ve ever seen. You didn’t even have the decency to invite an actual Trinitarian to represent their view. This clearly demonstrates that you have no desire for real dialogue and only desired to create a fake strawman so you can defeat a fake version of the Trinity - all to indoctrinate your flock. I pray you repent and publicly apologize for this mockery and host a real debate with a qualified Trinitarian. This was disgraceful.

[@captaint.amotholo6656]

Wow what joke is this? 😅 So the Oneness believers are that much desperate 😢

[@ralphowen3367]

Jesus in the Garden praying: It was the humanity of God speaking to the Deity.

[@CalledUntoHoliness]

God is a Spirit. God has no humanity. God manifested in Flesh but his nature is Spirit.

[@ralphowen3367]

@@CalledUntoHoliness In the first century, the humanity of God was the man Jesus Christ. Now it is the body of Christ in the earth, the church. Watch out that you do not bear false witness.

[@jevanlittle3367]

Sad.