Lots of people are pointing out that Dr. Manhattan and Pandora are the reasons why the timeline changed. Yes, that is why the New 52 post-Flashpoint universe exists, but that is *NOT* what this video is about. This is about the creation of the Flashpoint world itself, not the New 52 or anything else that came as a result of Barry stopping himself.
@francescominoguarino8274 жыл бұрын
Maybe It was supposed to be like you said, that Barry saving his mom would Just result in Nora being alive, but then our good doctor thought that this was the perfect chance to try out his power on another universe, so he distorted reality to see what would happen if superheroes were crazy (he saw superheroes being good with DC, superheroes being neutral/dicks with Watchman, so maybe he wanted to try this out of curiosity)
@Whogaman4 жыл бұрын
Whoever writes these stories don't know very much about temporal mechanics. If the past could be changed, then what happened that caused Barry Allen's mother to die will either cause the timeline to split one where she didn't die one where she did that would explain a lot about what happened at what caused the flashpoint event in one timeline and what didn't happen and Flashpoint never happened in the other. Look at some time travel episodes in the original Star Trek series. Instead of changing the past in the episode where the Enterprise accidentally went back in time they called the timeline to split. So temporal Divergence would be the easiest explanation for what happened in this Flashpoint universe and why those same events are reflected in the main DC Universe. Just a thought. Peace Whoga
@mattwo74 жыл бұрын
@@Whogaman The Flashpoint timeline actually does still exist, as do the timelines and realities that came before it. Hell, Wally West (the one that's currently the other The Flash because there's two now, not his post-Flashpoint cousin who became Kid Flash because apparently it wasn't confusing enough that there's two Flashes, now there's another Wally (Or Wallace which he's called to avoid confusion even though that's both their full given name) who isn't the Post-Flashpoint counterpart of Pre-Flashpoint Wally who also became Kid Flash) came out of the Pre-Flashpoint timeline. Apparently, Hunter Zolomon wasn't even affected by Flashpoint at all because somehow being so much farther into the future made him immune to timeline changes (which honestly makes even less sense than Barry saving his mom creating Flashpoint).
@pious834 жыл бұрын
Does Malcolm Thawne still exist [as Barry's lost twin] in Post New-52/You/Rebirth canon? If so it would remain a massive plot hole.
@Whogaman4 жыл бұрын
@@mattwo7 I never said that the flashpoint Universe never existed. All I'm saying is that it existed another plane of existence. When it comes to temporal Divergence, what happens in a specific point in time causes two different outcomes to exist one where one decision wasn't made in the timeline goes One Direction, and another where the decision is made and the timeline splits into another distinct timeline. From that point on, you have two distinct timelines with their own route towards its future whatever it's going to be. Like I said a certain decision that's made today could affect the outcome of a future that isn't set in stone yet. The future is fluid. So no matter what happens you don't know exactly what the future is going to bring. So just like Star Trek you don't know where the original timeline starts and wearing you go back in time which set of circumstances created the original timeline or the Divergent timeline. Look at the Mirror Universe stories from the various Star Trek series. What event happened that caused the timeline to diverge to create the Galactic Empire timeline. It's just something to think about. Peace Whoga
@WarmLillie4 жыл бұрын
Flashpoint is the ultimate Butterfly Effect... It’s the Mothera Effect
@mattwo74 жыл бұрын
It's the Gigantamax Butterfree Crossed With Volcarona Crossed With Mothra Effect. The Gigantamax Buttercaronthra Effect.
@Dragonds534 жыл бұрын
Love this just all of it
@alqu63754 жыл бұрын
Perfectly Ultimate Great Moth effect.
@kemboi694 жыл бұрын
Mothra effect is something that should definitely be used for reality altering stories like Flashpoint
@grim14694 жыл бұрын
closer the grandfather paradox if anything. Barry couldn't change his personal past without creating a paradox.
@garethmcquerry59314 жыл бұрын
My personal head canon is that Thrawne was lying through his teeth and used Barry traveling back to save his mom as a way to do major time alterations with no one the wiser.
@TevyaSmolka4 жыл бұрын
Interesting take on the flashpoint story and honestly I agree Barry’s actions for him going back in time to save his mom shouldn’t have caused this must damage to the timeline however I kinda like the animated movie explanation on flashpoint because that adaptation actually had reverse flash tell barry yes this was his fault but also explained break the time barrier time boom ripples of distortion causes changes to the timeline that’s the explanation I go up with, now as for reboot to the new 52 yeah that’s another can of worms in itself.
@dcmarvelcomicfans94584 жыл бұрын
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@TevyaSmolka4 жыл бұрын
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 :)
@piggymkcool4 жыл бұрын
Tevya Smolka no one like it’s at 69
@TevyaSmolka4 жыл бұрын
@@piggymkcool lol okay
@ItsButterBean10204 жыл бұрын
Plus you could say Manhattan having played with the timeline
@mattiesavannahpahl99344 жыл бұрын
The real question is, does ANYTHING make sense? 🤔
@selahanany56454 жыл бұрын
Your pfp checks out
@mattwo74 жыл бұрын
No, "because comics". 🤣
@youeverjuste77424 жыл бұрын
No
@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead20004 жыл бұрын
@@selahanany5645 no u dont u dumb,it's checks in
@l_rob4204 жыл бұрын
Mattie Washburn Yes, because it’s Thursday
@Charziken9094 жыл бұрын
Me: Who would win, Flash vs ____? Flash. He would go back in time and... Me: Youve never read flashpoint huh? Drake: I T N E V E R H A P P E N E D
@jonbrewer2974 жыл бұрын
@@AzA609 I think I will now become a Linear Man. Time travel can turn the universe to whatever Dan DiDio wants it to be, therefore we must end it.
@quigonjinn70574 жыл бұрын
They literally had to take Wally out just for this timeline to make sense lol
@fictionarch4 жыл бұрын
still didn't make sense though.
@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead20004 жыл бұрын
No its not!
@fictionarch4 жыл бұрын
@@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000 ???
@epsilon35694 жыл бұрын
Wally West is a better Flash than Barry Allen. You can't change my mind.
@fictionarch4 жыл бұрын
@@epsilon3569 no arguments here. Barry was so boring that for the longest time the best thing he did for the flash name was die.
@Kekkersboy4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was more than a bit annoyed with the retcon of Barry's mom being dead. Him having living parents during his run helped make him special. It's the same reason I prefer Clark's parents being alive and part of his supporting cast.
@mvb-ey5mr Жыл бұрын
😢😢😮😊😊😊😊
@jaCUP30004 жыл бұрын
I always disliked that they made his mom die in the comics. In my opinion it takes away from his character. Instead of just being a man who has good morals and wants to help people just because he wants to do the right thing. They made him a carbon copy of all the other heroes who have to have a trouble past for extra drama
@DrPluton4 жыл бұрын
That's around the same time they decided Superman's parents had to die before he became a hero even though they were a huge part of what made Superman such a grounded superhero despite all his power. I just think Dan Didio hates parents.
@jaCUP30004 жыл бұрын
@@DrPluton yeah and it is such a shame because I think that just makes them more unique as superheroes. Instead of them all having people die to drive them into doing something right. They can just be naturally good people
@bashengatheblackmanta70034 жыл бұрын
Thats os my issue with dc every hero become a hero because of tragedy.
@lilsabin4 жыл бұрын
Jacob Holt it s DC signature , all DC heroes and villain have parents issues (murdered or abusive)...makes me question the original creators
@jaCUP30004 жыл бұрын
@@lilsabin yeah I just wish it didn't have to be like that. I use to think they did that to make them more realistic and grounded but the more I thought the more it seemed almost comical how every single on of them have had dead parents and tramatic back stories. And I mean I do understand it allows for stories down the line I still think that some characters shouldn't have to be changed just to have the possibilty of it being a story arch in the future
@Williamfuchs4204 жыл бұрын
They themselves already explained this in the comic it wasn’t just saving his mom that created flashpoint reverse flash messed with the timeline as well
@FRISHR4 жыл бұрын
Reverse Flash went back in time to kill Barry’s mom, which caused Disney to buy Marvel in 2009 and took DC’s share in the superhero box office. I’d say that’s a pretty damaging event in the DC universe timeline.
@Deception9754 жыл бұрын
"This is what the writers and editors over at DC wanted to be canon." Well, Geoff Johns was just trying to write a cool story. The higher ups did want to integrate it, though.
@dio62714 жыл бұрын
Barry’s age during his Mother’s death doesn’t really prove anything since Thawne used the ultimate retcon; time travel..Barry could be any age and Thawne could kill Nora Allen, causing Barry to become a forensic scientist
@eon0014 жыл бұрын
When does time travel stories ever make sense? :P
@Deception9754 жыл бұрын
The movie Primer.
@lediaiv94164 жыл бұрын
Harry Potter?
@LancasterResponding4 жыл бұрын
3:00 He’s so drunk he became Commissioner Gordon apparently
@philipjay20992 жыл бұрын
It seems often forgotten you couldn't alter the timeline pre-Crisis. Cobolt Blue was post-Zero Hour but pre-Infinite Crisis. It's Blackest Night Thawne that goes back and kills Nora. I don't think Cobolt survived timeline tweaks before Eobard's return, tho I would love seeing his return and affects on the Thawne family timeline. I really wanted Eddie to come back in the Blue.
@WarmLillie4 жыл бұрын
Messing with time makes everything all wibbily wobbly timey wimey
@thejordyoshi4 жыл бұрын
I liked how Jay Garrick explained it on TV. The more that time is meddled with, the more drastic the side effects are. You can go back in time and perform an action that has a large effect, but undoing that action may alter the effect or even make it worse.
@connerb95934 жыл бұрын
Barry having a twin brother and them being separated at birth is literally just Heavy Weather and Pucci for DC
@1sttobylopez4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the idea was that you can't travel to the same point of time multiple times altering the timeline without shattering it because it's delicate so when Barry went back it may not have been a ripple effect per se but more of a whiplash effect creating multiple disc lesions in the spinal cord of time that would take years or precise surgery to correct, hoping that the Universe would survive long enough to benefit from the recovery or even recover at all. But really Drake, get your mom a manscaping kit. Bong!
@shadowstar58104 жыл бұрын
Hey Drake, I was wondering if you make a “best comics of 2019” video like you did last year, could you include a segment talking about comics that came out/are going to come out that would be good jumping on points for new readers.
@ComicDrake4 жыл бұрын
Most likely not. Those videos didn't get the views I was hoping for.
@shadowstar58104 жыл бұрын
Comic Drake Ok, thanks for replying!
@quincyfrost96824 жыл бұрын
@@ComicDrake oof so sad to hear. Really loved those vids
@ukiyasenpai4 жыл бұрын
@@ComicDrake Why not do the best comics of the decade? No countdown, just in your opinion, THE best comics this decade has produced.
@FoolsGil4 жыл бұрын
The thing about ads...I didn't want to know that Comic Drake manscapes...and now I know.
@OreoBrawl4 жыл бұрын
And Knowing is Half the Battle
@mysticalmonotreme4 жыл бұрын
Didn't Doomsday Clock establish that the Earth-0 universe (AKA the metaverse) has a degree of sentience? Doctor Manhattan noted that it fought back against his alteration, which resulted in the return of Wally West. Perhaps the metaverse was reacting badly to Barry's attempt to restore the previous timeline.
@leotamer54 жыл бұрын
If that is the explanation, why is the universe resisting changing back to the original status quo and not the initial temporal changes, which regards of any previous canon, would still be time-travel.
@cool23143 жыл бұрын
This is why I find dc and marvel confusing sometimes since they are always retconing explanations all the time
@cunnyman3 жыл бұрын
@@cool2314 DC at least has the balls to reset continuity… Marvel just scales the timeline indefinitely. Flashbacks to 1960s era of comics, everyone was holding a smart phone lol. Death of Gwen Stacy? That shit happened like 3 years ago lol
@cool23143 жыл бұрын
@@cunnyman lol before the new 52 dc would scale the time line just like marvel. writers like grant morrison would reference events that happened in the 70's and treat it like it happened yesterday. in fact after rebirth and death metal, they started bringing old events back into the timeline and scaling them to the current year. just read dc infinte frontier they refrence teen titans history which spans over 50 years and red arrow remebers it like it was yesterday
@grim14694 жыл бұрын
I initially felt the same way about Flashpoint, that Barry saving his mother should have put his history back the way is was before Thawne changed it. (he did more than Kill his mom by the way. he did many things to make him miserable). but then I remembered, this is actually a variation of the grandfather paradox. you see when Thawne changed Barry's past he changed Barry and the changes now became part of Barry's personal history. so now Barry couldn't change it because it was part of his personal past. f it was a simple as Barry saving his mom sets things back then he looses that past and the motivation to go back to change it back. just as if you time travel to the past, then kill your grandfather before he met your grandmother then you cant exist to go back and do that in the first place. on Doctor Who there was a simple line that best sums it up. he called it 'the Destiny Trap; you cant change the past if you are a part of it' and for Barry the death of his mother IS a part of his past since he learned Thawne was her killer. as to when Thawne did that deed? in rebirth he mentioned he has his own resurrection coming up and that happened at the end of Blackest Night. the first thing he did at that time was go to the past and made the changes to Barry's past that made his life less pleasant. starting small with Pushing down a set of stairs when he was child, letting Barry's dog out to get run over by car, erasing his best friend from existence etc.. up till he killed his mother. then travel to the time of flash:rebirth for the events of that story.
@prestoncarroll54904 жыл бұрын
Thawn is douche
@nukedukem6144 жыл бұрын
NO VIEWS CLUB
@mattiesavannahpahl99344 жыл бұрын
N O V I E W S
@ShyBiiteVT4 жыл бұрын
Hey! I'm part of the club!
@Ninjajp2474 жыл бұрын
Thawne made Barry's mom's death a fixed point in time. To DR WHO for me.
@cool23143 жыл бұрын
Lol I just watched Neil degrasse Tyson on startalk talking about time travel and the whole fixed point in time is not actually a thing in time travel and that you can actually change any event but then you would cease to exist because it creates a paradox
@notworththeeffort8304 жыл бұрын
see the thing is he went about it the wrong way, the right way to save his mom would have been to go to the future, and stop his future self from meeting and busting Thawn, which lead to him becoming the reverse flash, which lead to him killing his mom
@PosthumanHeresy8 ай бұрын
You know what would have been really smart? Go to the future to bust Thawne instead of letting his future self doing it... while pretending to be Thawne. Now Thawne is redirected onto blaming his own future self.
@ngandy10004 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know about cobalt blue being Barry’s brother and becoming a Thawne. But then that would mean that Bart Allen’s parents were cousins?
@Manthab4 жыл бұрын
Depends on the medium if you're talking about young justice where Bart is born in 2043 then I would assume so...? but if you're talking about the comics where he is born in the 31st century then no but Bart's mom is a descendant of Malcolm. This just made me realize that Bart's family tree is sooooo freaking weird...... Barry is a speedster and Iris is from the future(?) so its only two generations there but malcom and their fam is (as normal as a villain can be) so it has a thousand years of generations....... it's always fun being curious and realizing/ finding something new about one of my favorite characters so thanks for that thought-provoking question😁
@ngandy10004 жыл бұрын
Mantha Boo I looked it up and your right. Barry is his grandfather and Malcolm is both his grand uncle and his great great, etc grandfather. But his mother’s line would have had a thousand years difference from his father’s. So the family tree would have a long line from the top to the bottom to get to Bart.
@jaqx24 жыл бұрын
Finally!! Someone said it! Honestly this point has been bothering me for years!!! Thank you!
@daniellima30602 жыл бұрын
I'm no DC expert (REALLY!) but I read all of the books mentioned in the video. I always thought that the ripple effect in Flashpoint was because Barry Allen never became the Flash: no mother murdering -> no becoming forensic technitian -> no being hit by lightning and chemicals. Since the Flash plays a major role in the DC universe, his absence would change the course of many events (like, for instance, the outcome of crisis on inifinte earths). I thought that the "shattering of reality" explanation was to make the whole explanation complete, in order to cover non Flash related events like the shooting of the Waynes...what did I get wrong?
@pseudonym6387Ай бұрын
Problem there is Barry Allen became a forensic scientist and then The Flash just fine when he had living parents. He's not Batman. His mother dying was an in-universe retcon via time travel done to a Barry who was The Flash and had living, happy, healthy parents. Making *undoing the time travel meddling* the unacceptable retcon that ruins the timeline is ridiculous.
@freddier474 жыл бұрын
Me: Mom, can we have Eobard Mom: We have Eobard at home Eobard at home: EOBORD
@shadowrev29144 жыл бұрын
That annoyed me too
@rohanmulgaokar56824 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's interesting to just explore the continuity of comics cause these days it's getting harder to keep track of all changes and there were those extremely wacky times for comics especially Batman in the sixties. What were your favourite stories about Batman from that decade?
@jackyha94454 жыл бұрын
Here's my theory: Thawne traveled back in time on a Tuesday, he traveled back to a Tuesday, where he subsequently killed Barry's mom, back traveling from a tuesday to a past tuesday this kept all that time travel mumbo jumbo stuff at a minimum, but see Barry traveled from a Thursday and you see it's throwback thursday, which really messes with Taco Tuesday which is why Fry ended up banging his grandma making him his own grandpa >> Flashpoint.
@TetraSky4 жыл бұрын
Comics, they make no sense in the first place.
@Williamfuchs4203 жыл бұрын
It was RF who fucked up the timeline he himself in the comics says he messed with things after Barry saved his mom. All the FP changes are RF changes. The Changes post FP are the results of Dr Manhattan...
@Ideas-xv7lb4 жыл бұрын
Kite-man hell yeah! I'm going to try to comment this in every comic Drake video.
@comixproviderftw_024 жыл бұрын
"Break the Sound Barrier. There's a sonic boom. You broke the Time Barrier, Flash. TIME boom."
@linguisticallyoversight86854 жыл бұрын
Superboy-prime: I'm about to punch reality so hard that another Robin will be brought back to life Superboy-prime: I'm about to pound you so bad reality will get jealous
@matheusmoreira99514 жыл бұрын
Flashpoint for me was always such a bad story. First, I hate "butterfly effect" type of stories. Why would Barry saving his mom make Bruce Wayne die and his dad becoming Batman and his mom becoming Joker? Why would that change the landing of Superman's shuttle? Second, I really hate that such a shitty story was responsible for the reboot of DC, a reboot where most was pretty bad.
@Awesome_Pichu4 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, the movie stated Barry used the entirety of the Speed Force to travel back in time. Meaning that massive amount of energy being forced through could explain the excessive and drastic changes to the timeline. But then again, why did he need that much power to travel back? There are cases where he's down something like that before without needing all of the Speed Force
@matheusmoreira99514 жыл бұрын
@@Awesome_Pichu I understand the explanation in the comics and the animation. However, it doesn't change the fact that it is a "Butterfly Effect" kind of story, and that I'm not a fan of those.
@ac.slat3r4 жыл бұрын
I’m A Big Fan Of Yours But I Hate The Way You Said Eobard In 0:05
@iiirdvii8404 жыл бұрын
8:57 Darkseid wearing jeans
@horseoperamarker3 жыл бұрын
lmao
@axelwulf62204 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone said it Kind of like Back to the Future 2, but instead of just killing someone, it was a book containing future knowledge that someone who was greedy enough to take advantage of would maliciously exploit it
@M567dk3 жыл бұрын
It was thanks to Flashpoint that I have lost interest in the Flash and it was thanks to this video that I am reminded WHY I dislike Flashpoint in the first place. Honestly, to quote Infinite Crisis: "Barry Allen was better off dead than alive." I mean I just cannot get into the Flash as they just made him almost similar to Batman, but with Super speed, with the whole dead parent motivation thing. I mean can there ever be a Hero at DC that Does not have a tragedy dead parent in their life growing up...and do not say Wonder Woman.
@connerkent96413 жыл бұрын
Damian wayne
@kemboi694 жыл бұрын
I think Linkara put it best in his review of Flashpoint, this a great Flash story but not a good event/crisis story. I also just wanted to say that I appreciate this channel and your enthusiasm for comics it’s refreshing.
@PosthumanHeresy8 ай бұрын
My personal theory is that the Flashpoint resulted from the Bootstrap Paradox collision. Barry saved his mom, so Barry would have never saved his mom, so Barry couldn't save his mom, so Barry would have gone to save his mom. Thawne killed his mom, so Thawne's existence was predicated now on Barry's mom being killed, so Thawne never killed Barry's mom because Barry saved her, so Thawne didn't kill Barry's mom, so that Thawne would never exist, etc. Yes, Barry was sloppy, but not in the way you'd think. The sloppy aspect was having _that many_ paradoxes all piled on top of each other. Furthermore, they're all messing with events that both didn't happen and yet had to have happened. The Post-Crisis universe begins at the point we see it begin, and yet it has always existed. Usually this doesn't matter too much... except Barry is a walking paradox. Think about it. Who died in Crisis on Infinite Earths? New Earth Barry, or Earth-One Barry? Earth-One Barry died, yet New Earth Barry is the one who's resurrected. New Earth Barry did not exist before he was resurrected. By tampering with _his_ timeline, you are tampering with Crisis on Infinite Earths. Unlike most of them, you can't separate New Earth and Earth-One Barry. New Earth Barry has to magically become Earth-One Barry to die in Crisis and the only way to not collapse that paradox is for nobody to ever observe it. By tampering with the leadup to that, you introduce deeper paradoxes into the universe. You introduced an extra paradox into the stable paradox of Crisis, you've divorced New Earth and Earth-One Barry. You've intermixed a horrible mess of paradoxes into Crisis, which essentially just caused an explosion in the fabric of spacetime. The universe was able to cope with just the extra problems created by Thawne, but Barry adding his own bootstrap paradox and creating a second bootstrap paradox for Thawne at the same time in the same place caused a meltdown.
@Smith-fg1qb4 жыл бұрын
Comics and logic do not mix. Short and simple
@ZoanBlade904 жыл бұрын
The issue is that the Cosmic Treadmill still exists in canon, he used it in a different storyline. So it occurs to me, that you are correct.
@carsonphillips80083 жыл бұрын
I’ve just found this channel, but this video made me realize something, and I feel like it’s the best place to share it: in the Flash TV show, the original Season 1 Thawne is implied (or confirmed, I haven’t watched S1 in a while) to come from a timeline where Barry is the Flash, and both of Barry’s parents are still alive, which makes the show one of the few pieces of media to actually acknowledge the shift from both of Barry’s parents being alive to Barry’s mom being murdered. Just an interesting bit of information that I thought of.
@mrmeglomania4 жыл бұрын
I always thought Reverse Flash helped make things weird during Flash Point, too. Thawn is from the future, he has a bunch of info about our present, and he's got a ton of time travel experience, so I figured he just played with the time line so it would be hard for Barry to leave, in a lot of senses. Not only does he have his mom back which would make him want to stay, but there's no JLA to help him get back either. And all it took was little nudges: a bullet hitting a kid instead of his parents; a space ship landing a mile east. But that's also why I've always thought A Reverse Flash so dangerous. They're crazy, evil, and playing in 4 dimensions.
@swandive463 жыл бұрын
Wait, if Malcolm and Barry are brothers, that would mean the Thawnes and Allens' descendants are the same family, and that Bart Allen was created from incest -- though hundreds of years' of generations later? Because isn't Bart's father, Don Allen, and his mother's a Thawne? Wait, so Barry is Eobard great-great etc. uncle! I never knew that
@Dqrk1700 Жыл бұрын
I guess the day Barry's mother was killed Joe Chill was reading it on a newspaper before Killing the Wayne's as in the back of his head it said "Dead Mom" and decided to shoot Martha than Thomas which in Flashpoint, that hypothetical situation never happened so he aimed for the kid
@freddieawsome14 жыл бұрын
Great video, but Flashpoint wasn’t contingent on his mom’s death. Thawne pointed out that, just like the sound barrier, you create a time boom when you break the time barrier. This creates ripples through the timeline that change things a tiny bit, but enough. Instead of landing in the Kent Farm, Clark’s ship landed in Metropolis. Instead of the waynes being killed, Bruce was killed. So on and so forth.
@venci164 жыл бұрын
Well yeah but like mentioned thawn did it too but didn't make those events and flash has time traveled before too, my interpretation is that because thawn did travel to that point so maybe just 2 time traveling changes made a bigger boom but /shrug
@MasterTemplar781 Жыл бұрын
Thawne in the Flash TV show said he knows what he is doing when he travels back in time also in comics Thawne when running creating a time portal can choose the time he goes to without the cosmic tredmill so Thawne knows the perfect way to time travel and change time Barry however doesnt Thawne changed the events with killing Barry's mother but that along side everything with Crisis Zero hour and when superboy prime rippled reality could've caused side effects that could entirely ruin the timeline as its already rippled and destroyed not just that but all of those things combined with Barry's mom being killed trough time travel thats not all that changes Barry running trough the timestream and stopping Thawne from killing his mother would've changed something and caused a paradox Thawne was in the timestream when flashpoint happend and that made him a paradox but if Barry saved his mother the timeline would reset meaning Thawne tries to kill Nora again causing an endless loop with the speedforce and timeline having its own mind and with the reality shattering events that already happend reality would've made a new timeline hat allows the Nora to live without a loop being created but to do that they needed to change events from the past present and the future or as Thawne says a time boom with Thawne being in the timestream he was broken and no longer existed in the timeline but in the previous timeline were Barry's mom lived when Barry was 17 but since that timestream was broken Thawne could only travel to the Flashpoint timeline but whatever happend to him there it wouldnt affect him since he didnt exist there when Barry fixed the timeline the original one was gone and so reality altered the flashpoint timeline so Nora would die changing events again causing the new 52 to happen
@Bardic_Knowledge2 жыл бұрын
Here's a Theory: Eobard killed Nora to prompt Barry to go back so that _he_ could then muck up the timeline and then blame Barry for the whole thing because villain.
@zazz70272 жыл бұрын
I mean this doesn't answer what the vid is about but a probable reason why reverse flash didn't change the timeline was that he is a "time anomaly" of sort. My source isn't the best because I didn't read the comics just heard it from death battle of Goku black vs reverse flash. If anyone who read the comics wants to correct me please go ahead I am interested to learn more. (Man it sucks not having a comic shop near by)
@Crinjester2 жыл бұрын
If Barry saved his mom he may not have become the flash and that would have caused quite a few messes no
@Prim-Hull_Primehu64 жыл бұрын
What if flashpoint is the true timeline and thawn went back to prevent this by killing Nora. Making Wally the villain until he goes back and let's his mom die.
@yaboicheesy61214 жыл бұрын
Dude they literally said that when Reverse Flash uses the negative speed force to change time he doesn’t cause massive ripple affects. But since Barry used the regular speed force it changed everything. Pretty sure this was explained in flash rebirth
@outis_4064 жыл бұрын
It's 2019 and people are still trying to make comics make since. It's a work of fiction, IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TOO.
@ComicDrake4 жыл бұрын
Nobody is saying that fiction needs to align with real world mechanics and physics. All we are asking for is for them to be consistent with their own rules.
@markperl38693 жыл бұрын
If I did Flashpoint it would be about flash has to recreate the universe right before crisis destroys everything but he messes up, creates reverse flash and makes the universe change to wally west as flash.
@dungton60664 жыл бұрын
It probably Dr Manhattan doing because after Barry change the timeline back it there were 10 years of time that got pull out of the comic by Dr Manhattan
@DrPluton4 жыл бұрын
I didn't like Flashpoint, and I agree that it didn't make much sense how saving one woman would cause so many changes across the globe.
@satan28724 жыл бұрын
Drake: Talks about how a massive DC event was wrong Also Drake: In the same video, gets sponsored by a "clears throat" male testicle shaving service. Me: lol
@dthomscappello4 жыл бұрын
Oh I thought this was going to be a story critique but it's just one long continuity error video. Aight
@robchissy4 жыл бұрын
why os it barry's mum living causes bruce wayne to die and thomas to survive?
@stanleyteriaca21844 жыл бұрын
I can see them blaming Flashpoint on Doctor Manhattan.
@notworththeeffort8304 жыл бұрын
whow whose exploding plane? Hal Jordan? cause i know its not Scott Summers or or Iron Fist
@SuperRamos6194 жыл бұрын
Thawn says this in the flash TV show, that Barry has been extremely lucky with his early time travel shenanigans. So you could apply that to Barry's early time travel in the comics. He wasn't skilled as you say, just extremely lucky and didnt even know until later that altering the time line could have such adverse effects on it.
@charliedmh844 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is............. "Because Comics". Ok I get it.
@wfjhDUI4 жыл бұрын
I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of magic time travel or something? Boy, I really hope something got fired for that blunder.
@Arcin004 жыл бұрын
strangest thing being how him going back made supermans baby ship somehow land entirely differently
@GDOGELITE4 жыл бұрын
I feel like the change in Flashpoint was more due to the affects on the speed force than Barry’s life itself. So the biggest change in flashpoint is actually the crash landing location of Superman. How does the flash effect the trajectory of a independent space craft. So what if the speed force was never created is along my thinking for such a huge change. I believe the parent living is less important than Barry never becoming the flash. And how does that affect time travelers that use the speed force as well. So the finite life of flash could reach well into the decent past and future with the possible domino effects. But hey I’m not dr. Manhattan so who knows
@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead20004 жыл бұрын
Barry Allen will always be my favorite,fuck wally!
@notthedj343ok44 жыл бұрын
Makes sense but come on it’s one of the best dc comics ever In my opinion so I can get by it
@mattwo74 жыл бұрын
2:09 And yet the CW show is going to do crisis and "seemingly kill him" (I mean really, the season of his show won't even be over then) _after_ Thawne killed his mom. -Makes perfect sense.-
@Alareth4 жыл бұрын
Booster Gold should have prevented Flashpoint
@NeilBlumengarten4 жыл бұрын
DC tried to make time travel harder post-Crisis. They pointed to things such as Barry hopping on his treadmill and effortlessly traveling through time (not to mention Iris' soul being called *back* to her native (!) 30th Century by her parents upon her death at the hands Professor Zoom, himself a time traveling villain). Like most things post an event it was forgotten about and time travel became easier and easier. We could say that a reality warping event might create ripples temporarily affecting time travel. Thus, making Barry's trip through time have dire consequences in the wake of Final Crisis, where all time was condensed to a single moment (at least that's what I think happened. I like Morrison, but his comics do make my brain itch). Sure, Thawne beat him to the punch but (a) it's established the effects of time travel work differently on those who first traveled back from the future (Bart, for example having his memories in the Flashpoint timeline) and (b) perhaps the dire consequences for Thawne was the creation of the Negative Speedforce he began to draw from. Comics!
@MrSpartaco19994 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see Barry's secret twin in the TV show after he dies
@BlackHoleForge4 жыл бұрын
I love KZbin Analytics. Somehow this video only has two views, and 160 likes.😂
@majesticgothitelle18024 жыл бұрын
I think you doing it wrong! You have to point a flash to do flashpoint.
@dataweaverАй бұрын
The key to understanding Flashpoint is that it wasn't natural. When Thrawn went back in time and killed Barry's mom, he used the Negative Speed Force to do it; and that poisoned the event so that any attempt to undo it would shatter the timeline. Barry wasn't aware of this, which is why his attempt to fix it was "sloppy". Once Barry realizes the true cause of the Flashpoint, perhaps he can figure out a way to counter the Negative Speed Force poisoning of the event, and then go back and finally set things right…
@Trialwolf4 жыл бұрын
I think there are a number of writers who have come out stating they don't let continuity get in the way of telling a good story, or they just like sticking it to the people that have to keep continuity in check...... in that case..... well..... damn.
@michaelmanning61504 жыл бұрын
🤦🏻♂️this terrible track of characters and writing can be pretty painful to bare Of course there’s a secret twin brother aghhhhhhhhh
@deadpool39824 жыл бұрын
That always bugged me too, but they have Manhattan Ex Machina to explain all that now. Also, do the Cobalt Blue vid....loved that character, always thought Eddie was gonna come back as him in the show.
@fusionspace1754 жыл бұрын
You don't seem to fully understand how changing time works in the DCU. Its not linear. When Thawne killed Nora, it was indeed surgical, changing only the life of the Flash. When Barry did it, in Thawnes own words "You changed time like an amateur. You shattered history like a bullet through a windshield, the effects rippling out backward and forward, changing the lives of all those around you." So it's no problem at all for Barry's change affect things like Bruce's origin, which could well have been a past event relative to the event Barry changed. There is no reason to think time would 'snap back' to a timeline that existed ten or more real time years ago, as the continuity is always changing, both in the past due to retcons and the future as with the shifting Legion versions. Time is far more complex than you present it as. If you want a further headcanon explanation, it was Barry's own guilt at what he had done making a nightmare world, his will and emotions affecting the universe the the Speed Force, which is an integral part of it, and of the timeline.
@christianhighii98824 жыл бұрын
The explanation is Doctor Manhatten. He created the New 52, which is the consequence of Flashpoint.
@iloathepeoplewhorestilltal27744 жыл бұрын
Big brain time😎
@matheusmoreira99514 жыл бұрын
Ugh, this is such a shitty idea. And people wonder why Alan Moore is always so fucking pissed at mainstream comics...
@christianhighii98824 жыл бұрын
@@matheusmoreira9951 He would have done better reading contracts than doing what ever mind expanding drugs he was on when doing his best work. Or at least hiring a lawyer.
@christianhighii98824 жыл бұрын
@@matheusmoreira9951 Don't get me wrong, he is a great writer and has had a significant impact on comics, and got fucked over... But it wasn't just Watchmen he was fucked on. And he hasn't been able to create anything on his own as big as his Swamp Thing or Watchmen runs. Neil Gaiman is a better example when it comes to ownership of ideas.
@matheusmoreira99514 жыл бұрын
Well, I would say V for Vendetta and League of Extraordinary Men are also great works he did. Also, Tom Strong is a pretty awesome love letter to pulp fiction era comics.
@cryamistellimek91844 жыл бұрын
I also find it weird that flashpoint states that the speed force is finite even though before and after its stated that the speedforce is infinite. My headcannon is that Barry being absorbed into the speedforce and then returning messed up the way he travels through time considering we haven’t really seen anything happen like flashpoint since the new 52 in terms of time travel. So yeah, my guess is somehow flash being inside of the speed force somehow affected the way he interacted with time in a catastrophic way.
@GabrielsAdvent2 жыл бұрын
I barely understood any of this, so if somebody sees this, please explain. If Barry died in the first crisis, how can he be in the post-crisis universe? How can he "return" if he technically returned years before, as a child...?
@trappedcosmos2 жыл бұрын
He never actually died he got lost in the speedforce
@WarriorRJR4 жыл бұрын
LOL! Good effort trying to make sense of DC continuity, Drake. I look at it like a Dr. Who storyline. Barry's mother's death is a fixed point in time and changing it has disastrous consequences throughout time and space.
@ShadowWingTronix4 жыл бұрын
Old DC killed Barry off because they thought he was uninteresting or something like that. So when new DC brings him back their "solution" was to give him a more Batman like origin because they didn't see the potential of a superhero working in a crime lab after CSI and the OJ trial that brought an exaggerated view of forensics to the forefront. Apparently "inspired by comics to become a hero" didn't make sense to someone making comics, and that's the saddest part of this retcon.
@benlopez6434 жыл бұрын
I love flashpoint but it did make the DC continuity even more confusing than it already is
@VerneditheSnail Жыл бұрын
This reminded me why I was so annoyed by X-Men: Apocalypse, because it even changed established future characters, who shouldn't have been changed by the events of Days of Future Past, such as Jubilee and Angel. Angel would be born in the 1980s, ensuring he would be an adult in 2006. That would be an unchangeable event in the timeline... but nooo, Apocalypse somehow had Angel be born in the 1960s, making him an adult in 1983, even though Wolverine's time travel would not have affected history prior to 1973.
@NickMichalak Жыл бұрын
The partial explanation that I liked from the TV series when Barry tries going back again and again to try putting things back to pre-Flashpoint norms is that even if you glue a broken cup back together, it's already been fractured and weakened. The more you go back to a certain point in time and meddle with it, the worse the repercussions get, no matter how much you try to piece it back to how it used to be. The time continuum is delicate and can be irrevocably altered if you're not careful. Of course, the amount of time travel they do on that show in such a cavalier fashion is a bit insane.
@MykeHavoc4 жыл бұрын
I thought the TV show did a decent job of explaining how all this works. Once you write over a timeline, its creates a branch. Trying to fix the branch doesn't erase the first branch, it merely creates a new one. Similar in a lot of ways to the original, but NOT the same.
@ConnorJ18th4 жыл бұрын
I was always curious why this attempt of time travel caused the time boom (like a sonic boom, but instead of breaking the sound barrier, it broke the time barrier) and affected both the distant past such as where Superman landed, the past such as Nora Allen living, and the present with the Atlantean/Themyscira war.
@GameHammerCG4 жыл бұрын
Flashpoint can’t have been caused solely by Barry’s actions. Conclusion: there’s another time traveller and their actions haven’t been documented yet.
@fortgod50924 жыл бұрын
I am confused when he went back in time to save her what did her do with him past self shouldnt that mean it would be 2 of him in 1 timeline
@Sargebri4 жыл бұрын
Let's just say that DC sucks now. Things were better when Julius Schwartz and Carmine Infantino were still in charge.
@SgtBilby4 жыл бұрын
The Flash didn't die that long What about Wally West? HE was the Post-Crisis Flash Doesn't he matter?
@theoutsiderjess18694 жыл бұрын
The reason why barry saving his mom changed things drastically because it became a set point in time because when Thawne did it he created a new timeline and everything stayed the same because of who barry is and let’s say somehow barry doesn’t become the flash things would Chang e as well but because barry is barry and he becomes the flash things stay the same but when Barry ran back he was drastically changing a set point in time in his past so everything got worse because not only was he changing his past he was also in a time where Thawne was meddling in his own past hence why the timetravel is catastrophic