Decarbonisation of motorcycles: The legislation and why there is no time for complacency!

[@pujapete3665]

be prepared to fight for your freedom

[@robinwells8879]

They’re heading fast to the point where they give us no choice but to remove the source of the problem. Them!

[@philhawley1219]

Your statement applies to every aspect of our lives, not just motorbikes. Everything we hold dear in this country is under threat.

[@pujapete3665]

yes everything.they want to control us in every way.what we eat to what we are allowed to spend our money on.a true hell on earth.too cap it all they want the majority of the population dead.@@philhawley1219

[@petergoodger1283]

A petition is needed on the the government website, we could encourage as many people to sign it as possible, 100,000 are needed to have any impact, there is an answer to this problem, we just have to find it. AND FAST. Remember petrol car enthusiasts are also affected.

[@christopherwatts1833]

Whilst there is an ICE bike/car & petrol being available. I will NOT purchase an ev form of transport

[@233kosta]

Honestly, I'd have been a whoooole lot more open to the concept if we weren't being forced into it. Not only is it sickeningly authoritarian, its ultimate result will be the destruction of the low cost segment of personal transport. Us peasants will be effectively forced off the road.

[@stuartd9741]

​@@233kostaexactly

[@pujapete3665]

its one big party but you aint invited....they hate you.

[@michaelarmstrong4099]

The Government is clear that they want to phase out the internal combustion engine, whether it be petrol or synthetic fuel. So we need to be clear and keep on pushing back for as long as we can 🏍️✊🏼.

[@Canalofschlemm]

I have contacted my MP in the past and only got the party line on climate concerns back. Under Labour this will only get worse. The canary in the coal mine is dead and no one has noticed.

[@stuartd9741]

Surely an in person meeting with your elected representative is the way forward?

[@pete36524]

One of the most frustrating things about all this is that the government are looking at motorcycles in the same way they view ICE cars. Not appreciating that first of all there are not that many motorcyclists in the country, and a proportion are just leisure users. I won’t even start on their simple view of environment protection. What about the impact of manufacturing electric bikes and their eventual disposal?

[@ScotlandsGold]

Freedom of choice or freedom to do as we tell you. I know my stance.

[@MHLivestreams]

We should have an utterly illegal national ride, and show the punks there's far more of us than them.

[@MaximilianYpplm]

They never talk about the disposal of old batteries, which could be really harmful to the environment

[@nealm1814]

That's because the batteries will be recycled and not disposed. There's a large industry already recycling batteries.

[@joecummings1260]

@@nealm1814 So what are the financials of recycling batteries? Just because it is possible means nothing. For example they recycle old concrete and highway millings, but they still charge you to dump them at the plant. Lots of times the cost of the recycling process is more than what the recovered materials can be sold for. Also lots of recycling operations are very dirty contaminating air, land and water.

[@nealm1814]

@@joecummings1260 Battery recycling is estimated to be a $95 billion business by 2040. There's no need for a properly designed and run recycling process to contaminate the environment, in contrast to the massive damage fossil fuels have already done.

[@joecummings1260]

@@nealm1814 Seems funny most of this battery recycling takes place where the environmental laws are lax and officials tend to be convinced to look the other way. So what do they charge to dispose of a trailer load of EV batteries? Stop assuming "recycling" means free or even cheap to dispose of

[@nealm1814]

@@joecummings1260 Stop making things up. Umicore one of the biggest battery recyclers has a massive plant in Belgium and is opening another in 2026. You must tell the Belgians their envrionmental laws are lax. Another 7 of the top 10 recyclers are based in the USA and Canada.

[@derekreynolds2072]

An excellent presentation from Colin Brown, with just one small issue: Contacting your MP for a response. Talk to them, write to them, and the answers will come from pre-determined memes that they hand out to all and sundry, almost right across the board on any issue you wish to raise. MP's no longer represent the voices of their constituents, they exist (with a few notable exceptions who can be counted on the fingers of one hand) for the perks and priveleges of being an MP. Their current existence is to nod sagely and support a government which hates its population, and dictate to the constituents the latest government diktat. ZEMO - ZEro MOtors, ICE motors. It's blatant, and in your face. This is their goal. Alternative fuels? At what price - £18 a gallon? Our atmosphere has never been cleaner, Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant. Carbon monoxide is, but it disperses. NOX comes mostly from cooking food and heating homes. That which comes from tailpipes is pretty much harmless and insignificant. No-one has ever died from NOX poisoning from vehicles.

[@pujapete3665]

all those that were conned into ev,s should demand their money back.not cheap after all.tax breaks removed ,cost of charging up and not enough infrastructure.if you want to loose money fast buy a range rover or an ev

[@eant1234]

Rational comments are hard to write these days given what is happening. But all roads seem to lead to no personal mobility for me and thee.

[@carsyoungtimerfreak1149]

I'm not from the UK, yet this is happening all over the western world. What we now see in sales of EVs (2 or 4 wheels) is that all people who wanted to buy/lease one have done so. EVs are largely mainly chosen because of the subsidies. For the rest of the population they are not a valid option yet and probably will not be for a long time. Subsequently sales has peaked and is now falling. A trend that is also happening all across the western world. It will be interesting to see what will happen next.

[@hvop3734]

As a MAG member myself, I have to say that I am disappointed that the suggested approach to the problem is to contact your MP! I think we all know by now that they are not going to change anything.

[@timhicks2154]

Net Zero is a nonsense. As are the phrases ‘Carbon Footprint’ and ‘Carbon Offset’. All rubbish.

[@stuartd9741]

Net zero means you have NO money in the B***

[@arsenvokrug4198]

@timhicks2154 “Would you like to voluntarily pay extra for your airfare/holiday/ new car/road tax/etc. to offset your carbon footprint?” “No, I damn well would not, thank you!”

[@timhicks2154]

@@arsenvokrug4198 - it’s all bollox

[@dungbeetle.]

Problem is, if all cars go electric and they generously allow bikes a stay of execution, we'll still loose the petrol station infrastructure because it won't be economically viable to keep those stations open just for the relatively few bikes on the road. We need an alternative ICE technology (e.g. hydrogen) to win to avoid the dreadfully soulless electric motor.

[@paulleonard1296]

Did you know that Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles are powered by an electric motor? They even have a small battery!

[@davemurphy2020]

It is not possible to provide enough electricity to charge 80% EV ownership by 2035. The power stations cannot distribute the energy. Even if fusion can be developed by then , every transformer and every distribution center would have to be replaced, every cable every pylon would have to be upgraded. There is not enough copper on the planet for that. I drive a 20 year old car and a 40 year old bike . Resuscitation of old vehicles is the answer the government dread, bring on the banger.

[@trevordavies5793]

You know this, I know this, so you can safely assume the Government knows this! The plan then must be the end of personal transport, as Ice vehicles become in short supply market forces will price people off the road.

[@stuartd9741]

I a. A big fusion fan. Bit don't think we'll have a commercial fusion reactor until at least 2050 probably 2070. With current research trends.. I do believe research in fusion is on the back foot for fear of destabilising the current energy markets.. .. The internet of things. The plan is for every household appliance to have an internet module. And thus during peak energy demand certain household items could be temporarily shut off. Like your fridge freezer for say 1 hour. Imagine the energy savings from a million fridge freezers temporarily switched off. The idea is for more efficient use of existing energy production rather than building more power stations.. Although the latter is needed..

[@nickwinn7812]

That's not the opinion of those who produce and distribute electrical power in the UK - so where did you get this information from?

[@davemurphy2020]

@@nickwinn7812 from electrical engineers among others. The grid senior management say there is enough capacity to generate but have no comment on distribution which is problemaric now especially in rural areas let alone in remote areas.

[@trevordavies5793]

It has been estimated that we need to spend 3 trillion over the next few decades to upgrade our distribution network and will require a work force the size of the NHS's to achieve this.

[@easyonenow]

Thank you for brining this to my attention. Its just mad. My bike mates assume net zero will fall away as so few bikers want it. Alternative fuel must be the way.

[@grahamparker7540]

Wrote to my MP twice, but there was no response.

[@michaelarmstrong4099]

Some respond and some don’t. As long as they receive the letter, they do get passed up the ladder and it is those people up the ladder who needs to get the message 👍🏼.

[@sidweazel2883]

Good work, subscribed and writing to my MP. 🙏

[@BobfmBali]

Maybe now is the right time to get "other" non mainstream parties onboard for a blog and see what their view is when presented with the facts. We don't need this project being "kicked down the road". Reform may hold a number of strings to any future government party. It's inevitable that the EV solution will be kicked into the long grass before eventually disappearing when something better comes along. Cant believe industry are buying EVs and supporting this madness 👍.

[@stuartd9741]

Reform is a waste of time. Full of disaffected Tory voters.. In effect you'd be voting for the equivalent of the Tory party members association..

[@andrewgateway]

One thing you did not mention is that 67% of Ev car sales are business related purchases, because of the huge tax breaks. I think the 22% sales for the current year is going to be hard to reach.

[@IMBlakeley]

That is exactly it. If you get a company car it makes sense on the personal tax level to opt for an EV, that will boost SH sales after year 3 but many private buyers would steer clear of a SH EV given concerns about battery longevity and replacement cost. Anecdotal yes but a mate of my daughter bought a leaf new, it never ever achieved the estimated range and after a couple of years the actual achievable range has dropped by 20%, that does not bode well.

[@willyjimmy8881]

A lot of those business ev purchases were for fixed route deliveries like where I work. Our fleet sales dept have made it clear this wasn't as rosy a solution as they were sold. They're already cycling out of them because it's cost way more than expected and not the maintenance free ownership experience we expected.

[@JT-si6bl]

The low-hanging fruit is battery power, and I was game for it until the tech was exposed to be deadly, but the oversight of the environmental impact escapes the blurb entirely. Its greenwash there. What ever happened to the graphine battery? Jaguar had a demo of a turbrbine engine that could run off pretty much 'bin-juice' VOC and charge a capacitor on demand... now that makes sense to me VOC + lots of air = cleaner burn. At least a retrofit power unit that 'drops in' the chassis to develop. Its so nuts how the legislations conveniently ignore the other types of tech and stuff just for convenience, just to show a 'proactive' legacy, to then include the stats on paper, and utterly ignore the corporate based slaughter of both industry and environment. But We have grown accustomed to corporate psychosis. Still, it takes 1 cold morning to find an utterly wasted battery cell. To think the battery tech hasnt changed very much since the 'Bagdad Battery' modus, yet the motor manufacturers WANT to release radical new engines, but cant because of these semi-NGO lobbyists. Then theres the subject of charge points and the national grid.

[@philhawley1219]

Your last sentence is the elephant in the room. Where are all the new power stations being built to power all the world saving EVs? Another great big green lie from our useless government. Everything they do every day further damages this country.RN.

[@beefy0978]

1. Fines costs will be added to the cost of every ICE M/C to offset the percentages. This will bring about price parity by pushing up the cost of ICE. 2. Petrol and Diesel costs are only going up. 3. Road charging will be introduced as an additional cost for ICE and EV. 4. An app will be required to park on a public street. Initially free but later with charges. 5. Insurers will require black boxes retrofitted. Premiums will increase instantly for harsh acceleration, braking or speeding. 6. Emissions based parking charges will be made for all local authority car parks. 7. Car parking capacity will be reduced in car parks, on private streets, on public roads in fact everywhere. 8. Access to roads will reduce thru road closures, LTNs etc. 9. VED will continue to rise. 10. Repairs to all ICE vehicles older than 15yrs will be unlawful effectively requiring them to be removed from public use. 11. Manufacturers have realised they are being bankrupted and will initially resist before folding and taking the money. 12. Movements will be tracked through black boxes, anpr, facial recognition, gait monitoring, rfid readers. 13. Employment will be reduced via AI. 14. UBI will be accepted by those unable to work. 15. CBDC will be introduced to control what you buy and when based presently on your carbon usage. 16. Food production will be minimised and steered toward insect based protein. Misbehave and the CBDC will prevent you buying food. 17. The calendar will reset the year to 1984. 18. The people will need to accept slavery or reset the calendar to 1215 or 1776. BTW I hope I’m completely potty but please look up “UK:100” to see how this has already begun openly undermining Central Government stated targets.

[@Rick-ve5lx]

19. Your home will be compulsory purchased and given to “someone” and you’ll be moved to a 15-minute city where you won’t need a car/motorcycle anyway. NB already happening, look it up.

[@beefy0978]

@@Rick-ve5lx I know. I tried not to keep going with my list. I’m terrified tbh. I can’t see any peaceful way out of this for the average person except to accept an utter loss of any remaining freedom. I really do hope I’m wrong.

[@Rick-ve5lx]

@@beefy0978 The incredible thing is that it’s all stemming from a few committees of megalomaniacal numbskulls. Imagine someone in the Wild West- get rid of that horse and ride a mule? There would be a brief festival of light and sound. But nowadays we’re descending into helotage. I think they regard mobility of people as undesirable per se, for obvious reasons.

[@wadeingalls4365]

Loud pipes save lives.

[@jimjoelliejack]

The plan is, the phasing out of hydrocarbon fuels, first to go is petrol, so if you have any vehicle, machine ( lawn mowers, chainsaws etc) then they will be obsolete! I own a company that does tree works, scary thought isn’t it ?

[@derekp2674]

I work as a volunteer on a council owned nature reserve. The council staff do now own and use battery powered chainsaws and brush cutters, but they don't go for very long on a charge and cannot be refuelled as quickly as ICE powered tools.

[@jimjoelliejack]

@@derekp2674 derek I do tree work professionally, I’ve been down the Electric route, they are useless so much so that I’ve gone back to petrol, the only electric tool we have is a small top handled climbing saw and that’s not great. I often fell very large timber and there is no electric saw that will do that and I doubt that there ever will be.

[@veronikaquick6738]

The real scary thing is the people in charge who seem to be unanswerable to anything.

[@derekp2674]

@@veronikaquick6738 That seems to be a problem now with a lot of politicians. Either because they believe that nanny always knows best or because they assume they were born to rule over others. Thankfully, there are many who still understand that they are elected to represent the views and interests of their constituents. Amongst other things, MAG helps grassroots bikers contact and influence their MPs. Emails and letters are the main tools for this. But some years ago, MAG organised a face to face lobby of parliament. Members rode to Parliament and then went inside for a general meeting with sympathetic MPs and individual meetings with their own MPs. It was a great day out.

[@grahamsmith8091]

By 2030 half the vehicles on the road will be electric. That means only half ill be petrol. How many petrol stations are going to close as a result of less demand?

[@richardbarton2709]

The will probably be converted to Sparky stations.

[@stuartd9741]

A pet station near me has had a refit. Installed a load of parking bays ready for EV charging and taken out three pet pumps ... The portent of things to come....

[@stevestevenson5906]

Government clearly have lot of their cash invested in EV's...

[@chrisb4504]

Alternative fuel? That bloody E10 makes our car run awfully

[@MrSmegfish]

Destroys like a virus...

[@michaelmcdonald9091]

Be a great help to have a draft letter set up requiring a date and signature to be sent to your mp. This gets us all on the same page Fast. This could then be easily distributed. Very informative video. Got my attention 👍

[@mattwuk]

They'll have to drag me off my Indian 😂

[@MrSmegfish]

Is your Indian Hendu or Musilman...mines pretty.

[@foxracerdrew]

@@MrSmegfish You missed Native American too.

[@aceofspades5786]

what is not being discussed is how they will force the older and notnetzero bikes off the road with increased VED etc

[@catlerbatty]

I love it when I'm sitting outside minding my own business, havin a bite, and a loud ass bike/moped literally spews exhaust fumes in my face. Really adds to the flavor you know, we gotta save that experience for our future generations!

[@phillipwilliams4674]

The current laws for e-bicycles is totally inadequate. A 250 w (max) motor is insufficient in many of the hilly areas of the UK. Why don't the motorcycle showrooms start selling higher powered e-bicycles as mopeds? This could help to offset the requirement of minimum sales. There are many Chinese e-bicycles that come fitted with lights, horn and even indicators and could very likely meet the type approval regulations to qualify as a moped,, so this is not as unlikely as first seems. I'm convinced there's more than a few 2 wheel lovers out there who could be prompted to buy one if the price isn't too high. Heck.... The dealerships could even consider throwing in an e-moped with every motorbike above a certain price point for free to avoid the hefty fines that could result from not meeting the minimum sales. Just a thought....

[@retroonhisbikes]

Biggest scam of all time.

[@derekp2674]

Colin (and team), thanks for a well structured and informative video. As a city dweller, I can really sense the adverse effects that ICE vehicle emission have on my breathing whenever I walk along congested roads. So I'm all in favour of reducing emissions in urban areas. But, if EVs are only used to move those emissions to power stations in the countryside, it is not going to do a lot for net zero. So I think we can only adopt more EVs if we invest in more low or zero carbon power stations alongside the actual EVs themselves. This makes a bulk shift to EVs a very expensive option relative to its actual benefits. My personal solution to lowering emissions is simply to use my ICE car less and walk whenever I can. This is not a one size fits all solution but it works for me. (It's been a few years since I last owned a motorcycle but I am a MAG Life Member.) In the street where I live, 30% of households now own EVs but every household also owns ICE cars. So even for our fairly well off neighbourhood, the uptake of EVs is less than 15% of all cars.

[@hvop3734]

It is not about what fuel or emissions etc. It is about reducing the amount of vehicles on the road. It is a major objective of the Green Alliance trust who are the biggest influencers of our government. In this context it makes perfect sense why they don't fix potholes, are not interested in alternative fuels or solutions . Not to mention whether co2 is bad for the environment or not.

[@industrialmonk]

To little to late

[@stevestevenson5906]

Meanwhile, the biggest car hire firm Hertz is junking all their EVs and going back to petrol (or on to hydrogen).

[@AlexOnABoat]

How about MAG campaigns for better provision for all two wheelers and the legalisation of eScooters and throttle only eBikes? And when I say legalisation I don't mean with compulsory insurance, helmets and number plates tattooed on the rider's rear end, I mean reasonable legislation that allows the maximum number of people to access what is a very usable form of cheap two-wheeled transport. Why would MAG do this? Because the more people, and especially young people that learn the joys of two wheeled motoring, B if it is restricted, the more who'll look to transition to something bigger. And that means a motorcycle. Is it any coincidence that the Netherlands, which has a high proportion of bicycle users and which for years has had a category of powered two wheeler accessible from 14 years old and limited to 15.5mph also has a high proportion of motorcycle use with 1:24 people owning one compared to 1:48 people in the UK. And yes, their licencing laws are just at strict as the UK.

[@robgrant1540]

Electric bikes probable do have a future…….in London but not up here in the north. Politicians, get real!

[@233kosta]

Hydrogen carriers: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@thomasegan1551]

I bought an electric mobility scooter. Standard spec scooter that breaks down to fit in a car boot. If I encounter any sizeable gradient I have to get off and guide it up the hill. When they review EV motor cars, how about testing it with 5 people and a trunk losd of luggage with the heater on driving up Garrowby hill in the Yorkshire wolds?

[@AlexOnABoat]

Yeah, but your mobility scooter is cheaply produced, with old technology, and low performance parameters. Comparing it to an EV is like comparing a Penny Farthing to a Hayabusa.

[@willyjimmy8881]

So Ford F-series is old technology too? Because in testing they has a similar result ​@@AlexOnABoat

[@damianbutterworth2434]

I would buy an Electric motorbike. Only because I can not ride petrol bikes due to vibration white finger. Even in June I got the symptoms on an old GS550.

[@philsmith1087]

Your argument is all very reasonable. The difficult pill to swallow is it doesn't matter, because the governments motives have nothing to do with what's good for the environment and everything to do with supporting an agenda to make you a completely controlled prisoner/slave with very little freedom of movement, that's if you're even alive by the time this "legislation" is put into practise. If you look at what the WEF are talking about planning and implementing, you'll comprehend that looking at it from a purely ICE enthusiasts perspective is nonsense, it's small picture stuff. Bigger picture is realising that if the carbon goals were met human life wouldn't exist. According to one researcher (Gregg Braden) the CO2 levels they're aiming for have only previously existed on Earth before life began here. Yes, read that again. 15 minute cities = open air prison. Isn't it true that Oxford, the first city in the UK to adopt the 15 minute city status, is now being sub-divided into 11 districts! The ICE, in some ways still represents freedom, and I know most motorcyclists will feel/get that. The problem is, it doesn't fit the bigger picture.

[@garyc7464]

I wrote to my MP Amanda Solloway (conservative) about this, and I am still awaiting a reply, I won't hold my breath, because on past performance she ONLY toes the Party line. The main Party politicians hold us in contemp, they are not worth voting for, if we want real change, then we have to vote for Reform, the only viable alternative, if only to to show your disgust with the present shower of crap!

[@robgrant1540]

Look what Ford and VW electric car manufacturing is doing - collapsing. Bikes will be the same. People don’t want only electric vehicles. Governments ignore the huge environmental impact of mining Lithium because it happens many miles from our shores. A one single technology approach to solving the emissions problem is utterly stupid, narrow minded and expensive.

[@foxracerdrew]

I think the number of people owning electric vehicles is going to decline after London announced the 1800% increase in parking due to high lifetime EV emissions. EV might have some advantages, but never economically nor ecologically. The whole point of the zero carbon, people should probably rewatch Johnny English.

[@AlexOnABoat]

That's odd, I live in London, and London hasn't announced anything. And it wouldn't because parking charges are set by boroughs not by the Greater London Authority.

[@OverlandExpedition]

@@AlexOnABoatGoogle the report, its 3 councils (Labour) have increased the parking by 1800% for heavier battery. Google Westminster report 1800% EV parking report.

[@foxracerdrew]

@@AlexOnABoat You're right, I should have corrected myself on that.

[@richardbarton2709]

There will be war from us bikers.

[@kerbsidemotors9249]

An organisation that has spent decades whinging with next to zero traction in my experience.

[@247SH]

40 years of riding a motorcycle have shown me ‘they’ don’t like people having freedom.

[@peterhatfield5632]

Who voted for any of this Net Zero lunacy? The government does OUR bidding; not the other way around.

[@nickwinn7812]

I voted for it. I have kids and I'd like them to have a future.

[@Shamshiro]

@@nickwinn7812- I worry for their future under a parent like you lol

[@kawasakiaddiction6296]

They cannot possibly get it passed, unless they travel in Electronic solar powered Private Jets. Even then, where does the power originate?

[@MrTench8]

Buy a couple of quality ICE bikes and look after them, they will last you a lifetime! That doesn't solve the problem for future generations unless you really look after your bike and pass it on. EV's will only survive if people buy them, i think they will be a very short lived fad! Domino Express might buy a fleet of them, then over a couple of years realise that they don't live up to the claims cost a fortune and become worthless very quickly which will be the last time they buy them! The same is happening in the EV car scene with 3 year old fleets being disposed of resulting in a glut on the market. With no buyers they are worthless which is putting people off buying any new ones. The buying behaviour of the people will dictate the future of EV's!

[@KRAM-zb2vc]

Battery/electric does have a use - in milk floats 😠

[@JIMWSMITH]

what I want to know is what's going to happen to the millions of ice bikes on the road ? How long before they say you can nolonger use them or they will charge you £2000 to tax it. There's millions of people who wouldn't be able to afford an electric bike or some alternative fuelled bike..

[@Stefan_trekkie]

1st of all, all other vehicles users hate motorcyclist and cyclist, if they should switch to EVs, they will demand we do too, from pure envy..

[@mr.145]

I have a 25mpg Jota,Mz etz 251 2 stroke....that last polar bear clinging to a tiny ice float.....it was me.

[@stuartd9741]

Shame on you sir!🫣 Poor polar bears... A while back i had a 93 RD350.. Not as powerful as the early ones but still fun up to an alledged 3 digits.. .. In 2003 I was pursuing my local bike shop. There was a 82 RD 350 energy induction for sale.13000 miles... £1000.. .. I thought it too old fashioned at the time...wish I had it now lol..

[@Leonard-kd7uj]

Well government now talking about retests at 65 if that come in we will have no freedom

[@neilgill2269]

beefy0978! You're spot on, when you leave your home,check yourself for red dots!!

[@sheridenboord7853]

Most cars travel with one person. So compare running weight of car to running weight of bike. That's a rather large efficiency increase motorcyclists have been using for the last 100 years or so. Per person travelling the motorcycle uses much less resources than a car. Funnily enuf people can work out the logistics to determine if they should buy an electric bike. Like how far is their commute and can they charge at both ends or just one end. Effectively, banning petrol bikes will be forcing many motorcyclists to buy petrol cars. I rest my case. There's still so many advantages to having petrol bikes around. Like say every one had electric cars, but cannot charge because power is down, Oh that's right, why don't we pull the petrol bike out and get to work. Effectively a petrol bike could double as a generator and heater for a house or a charger for an electric car that is stranded, or heaven knows, an electric bike. I'm from down under Australia, but my grandfather was a brit. When I was a boy, he said you don't fight, you sort things out over a cup of tea. Well I've had my cup of tea, and I say Britain has a bunch of clowns running the place.

[@derekp2674]

Current UK plans are to ban the sale of both new ICE cars and new ICE motorcycles.

[@hectorshouse7348]

They will also make running existing ICE vehicles VERY expensive…these people are treacherous…with vested interests

[@TheBlibo]

Hi Still on a rumm rampage It is totally farcical to expect zero tailpipe emissions when power generation is still burning carbon its all greenwashig

[@paulnewman2000]

Future motorcycle tech will be driven by the largest markets. I predict cheap hybrid conversion kits becoming widely available for the most common motorcycles in use in Africa, way before the end of ICE motorcycles here.

[@richardsimpson3792]

If the bus and truck sectors can go electric, than so can motorcycles. Globally there will be far more electric motorcycles than there ever will be electric cars, so this is a great opportunity for the industry. There's a company in Nigeria offering bikes with swappable batteries supported by a network of stations. You can ride in, swap your battery for a freshly charged one and ride out in about the same time it takes to fill up with petrol, and at a fraction of the cost. If they can manage this in Nigeria, I'm sure we can manage it here.

[@David-uu3wq]

I don't know why the government is bothering with motorcycles. The total emissions from all our bikes are miniscule compared to other fossil fuelled sources. I will buy a zero emissions bike when we have zero emissions power stations, agriculture, aircraft, ships, ect. Focus on the big hitters, leave the small ones alone. Prioritise your time please you M.P.s

[@hyperfocus4866]

All companies will go out of business.

[@presstodelete1165]

Due to the low anual miles, regardless of who's numbers you go with, an electric motorcycle can never overcome the lifetime emmisions calculation. ICE bikes are simply more enviromentaly friendly than electric.

[@philtucker1224]

I don’t see why you are suggesting a difference between a 1000cc bike engine and a 1000cc car engine. Emissions are Emissions so why should motorbikes be treated differently to cars?

[@stevenyates6732]

Speed limiters will come in next few years before 2030 A2 and A licences will all run at max 70 mph we can all use A1 bike except they banned first

[@acchaven]

zero emissions at the tailpipe is achieved with hydrogen I believe. Just a little water comes out.

[@nealm1814]

Whilst I'm reluctant to make motocycles an exception only 7% of UK transport emissions come from motorcycles, moped and scooters so its not exactly going to make a big difference if they are electrified at a slower rate than cars and trucks. I suspect a lot of scooter and moped riders will go electric first leaving the weekend warriors on their sports bikes scouring the country for petrol stations after 2035.

[@nonyabusiness4151]

How many emissions are due to private jets and yachts? How about public?

[@nealm1814]

@@nonyabusiness4151 Motocycles, mopeds and scooters emit about 0.5 million tonnes CO2. Private jets taking off from the UK about 0.5 million tonnes. So just ban rich people from using private jets and you can keep riding ICE motorcycles. Good luck with that. But think before you book that foreign holiday because the emissions from international aviation taking off from the UK are 151 million tonnes.

[@nonyabusiness4151]

@nealm1814 I'm sorry, you are claiming a private jet and a motorcycle release the same amount of emissions? That sounds like a billionaires' fairy tale. Now, there is no way a yacht makes the same.. right, right?

[@AlexOnABoat]

​@@nonyabusiness4151no, he's saying the total annual emissions are the same, because there are more people riding more motorcycles more if the time, than ultra rich people using private jets.

[@nonyabusiness4151]

@AlexOnABoat That's what I would figure, so wouldn't it make more sense to ban private jets since fewer people are polluting more?

[@paulleonard1296]

Electric vehicles are great but there isn't an electric motorcycle on the market that suits my needs at the moment. Triumph were supposed to be working on an electric bike but not sure whats happening with that. The Zero is good but too expensive can't rapid charge. Will have to see what the future brings.

[@beefy0978]

Strangely AI is the problem. Look at the energy (and thus emissions) required to keep the computers running… if we want net zero we need to get rid of technology and stop using electricity in such a wasteful way as passively monitoring everything…

[@MHLivestreams]

Technology regarding efficiency, etc, always comes from motorcycles, cars would still be really crap otherwise. Bikes don't cause congestion, they are easily parked, cause less impact damage to tarmac, and so on. Leave motorcycle manufacturers to push the limits of science and technology. Anyway, I'll still ride irrespectively, brewing my own fuel if need be.

[@stephenkearney8589]

If the riders' rights groups had embraced the true environmental capacity of the motorcycle through promoting its potential for low consumption transport instead of defending its divine right to consume without consequence, as they had been warned for decades, we might be in a far better position today.

[@robinwells8879]

Their intention is to tailor our lives to fit their final solution. You have been warned. If the range of your vehicle is half an hour then the 15 minute city is the answer to their solution.🖕

[@AlexOnABoat]

Sorry, what vehicle has a half hour range? A fat lad on a pushbike?

[@jtreg]

depressing man

[@PezRaider]

Fossil fuel #1

[@specialized500]

Idont think its very useful just to talk about the British govt and the British market and indeed the British motorcyclist. Its far more complicated than that .

[@raztaz826]

I thought that motorcycles, even normal ones would be encouraged since motorcycles are so small.

[@aceofspades5786]

madness that 125CC and below are the first to be banned

[@Andrew-ce3xc]

Oil is renewable ! When they drill and empty the pockets of oil they fill up again with more oil naturally.

[@catlerbatty]

There's stupid and then there's you.

[@jaidenkiersten7080]

Promo-SM 💪

[@wadeingalls4365]

Electric motorcycles aren't REAL motorcycles

[@neilgill2269]

Don't buy Electric!

[@MH-xd2nd]

I’d be very happy to stop burning petrol on a motorcycle but the alternative has to work. There are currently no affordable viable electric motorcycles (and I’m not talking about inner city scooters as that’s a totally different use case and honestly an electric bicycle is probably a better bet). I totally understand the climate change impact but this has been well known for decades and governments dragging their heels has then meant a hard stop on ICE without viable alternatives. Therefore it’s likely only fleets and the wealthy will own EVs and only wealthy people will be able to ride electric bikes. What is more likely is that everyone else will stick with ICE and it’ll end up with fuel being a black market industry. That’ll be so much better, won’t it? And if you don’t think it’ll happen, how much control is there over class A and B drugs? Exactly…

[@TheBlibo]

We all know how crappie our government has been for the last 50 years and I am sure they will maintain the status quo for the next 50, but when they recommended diesel cars that was absolutely the right decision and still is. I am an engineer an engine guy I love engines in all forms. We have been lucky to live through the oil years it is almost the perfect fuel it just has one downfall CO2. I am also a biker and my view on ev bikes is they are for those that want to deliver pizza or take there mother-in-law on there honeymoon. For a good practical motorcycle with good performance and range oil is the answer the only other options are hybrid full electric or hydrogen fuel cell and unfortunately these power train systems don't work in a bike. And before anyone shouts out about synthetic fuels that is jus greenwashing. Sorry missed now gone into rum overdrive. Motorcycles don't lend themselves to going green. Bur the whole green debate about transport is a complete crock of shit if governments around the world were to take carbon emissions seriously they would tackle the big offenders first which are domestic and industrial energy usage followed by air travelling and patio heaters, you only have to do a very small amount of research to find road transport is a small carbon emitter and motorcycles are an even smaller percentage of that. I'm rambling now best to sign of Keep up the good work

[@banzobeans]

This is so dumb and myopic on so many levels.

[@thesmallnotesduo]

Double you eeeeeeeeeeee efff.

[@trevormorris1281]

Eva’s are crap

[@philipwoodacre1644]

cant they use AMMONIA

[@deadguy217]

game over buy a bicycle

[@goldilocks913]

Buy a bicycle for going between disabling the cameras THEN get on your motorcycle 😏

[@AlexOnABoat]

You look at one electric motorcycle from 2014 (and an electric moped at that) and attempt to draw a conclusion about mileage. Given that the traditional manufactures of eMotos have dragged their heals attempting to draw a conclusion is, frankly, laughable. Maybe MAG should be pushing for the manufacturers to pull their fingers out and make eMotos that suit the market. Maybe MAG should be extolling the benefits of cheap electric commuting on 125cc equivalent eMotos. This continued anti- stance, and the accompanying public denial of anthropomorhic climate change does nothing to help the average rider.

[@derekp2674]

MAG is democratically run - it follows policies voted in by its members. (Are you a member?) I am a MAG Member and I also don't like the MAG stance on anthropomorhic climate change. I made my views on that known a couple of years ago. I have noticed since then that MAG campaign has softened its stance on that issue, so I guess I wasn't the only one who commented. I do, however agree with all the other arguments that MAG is making for the retention of new ICE bikes as a consumer choice in a free society.

[@stuartd9741]

The proposals for anything about net zero will do nothing to stop the climate.. It's all about control.. .. They're also not telling you the whole truth about CC...

[@gazza595]

This is one of *THE* most technologically illiterate pieces I'v seen. I've been riding for near on 50 years. With the attitude to zero emissions that MAG is displaying you will be the people that will kill motorcycling. Stop with exceptionalism, look at what is happening the world around you and start putting pressure on the manufacturers to meet the needs of the world and not just petrol heads.

[@cloudbasenirvana]

Pull your head out of the sand. Your comment tells me you have not got a clue to what is happening - or the comment is actually the comment a globalist anti-human BOT.

[@dennisbailey6067]

What is happening around the world?? Apart from a bunch of halfwits having an anxiety attack.

[@AlexOnABoat]

​@@dennisbailey6067well huge numbers of people in Asia and Africa are moving to electric motorcycles, because they're cheap, clean, and easy to run.

[@cloudbasenirvana]

@@dennisbailey6067 - WEF/WH0/UNAgenda21 - their motto > 'You will OWN NOTHING, you will GO NOWHERE and you'll be Happy'

[@derekp2674]

MAG exists to lobby legislators, i.e. Politicians and Governments. Bikers can already lobby manufacturers by voting with their wallets.