Meanwhile Bath is full of diesel buses and taxis. The council really don’t like their occupants and businesses.

Cycling is not morally superior to other fo4ms of transport, not motorcycles, and not cars, nor is electric morally better than petrol based transport. These are just choices. To see that consider that the cyclist chooses to cycle. If a cyclist claims they cycle because they have made 'the right choice for humanity' well, its obvious they are making a virtue sacrifice and now pridefully see themselves as superior to others. Well they are not. I am over 50 with injured knees, and while I have cycled in the past when it was convenientto do so I prefer to ride a motorcyce or drive now and I demand to be considered, as is my right, equal to any other person. Might I also point out that cycling is really only practical if you can and wish to shower at the office. This must rule out the majority of employees, and the majority should not be made to suffer for some false 'moral superiority' of a privileged minority. Finally, while I am supportive of the proper stewardship of our environment, I do not agree that net zero should be achieved at all costs. Nor should we it reduce our energy footprint. In fact saying such a thing is, at its extremes, philosophically contrary to all life. All life consumes energy,amd the more advanced, the more energy. We should not waste, but equally, there is nothing wrong with consuming energy to live a good life.

idea of the week keep ice bikes and ban the MP,s due to all the toxic shit what comes from there arse ?

get your new bike 2028 or 2029 and keep it running like those cars in cuba and stick two fingers up at the goverment ? you dont after work for nasa to work out cars pump more shit out than bikes . also hydrogen only thing you get out of tail pipe is water .

Great to see Eco-Loony bs having a hard time.

As long as people accept the Eco-Loony narrative, all is lost. Don’t accept the sudo-“ Science” BS, and start from there. Human Climate Change is BS! Even the ICCP has never definitively claimed it as fact, only claimed possible cause.

Even if you switch to an Electric motorcycle they will introduce a tax based upon tyre and brake particulates….

A few years ago I had the grave misfortune to have to work in Hackney for a few years. At the time I had been off motorbikes for a few years (due to an addiction to a 1966 Land Rover SIIA 😉) For the first couple of years I was having to commute through Blackcrawl Tunnel every day after which time it drove me nuts and decided to get a bike back and it would not be too hard to imagine how much easier this made my life! (apart from having to work in a hellhole like Hackney!) I always felt a certain vibe or atmosphere in that area and much of it emanated from the town hall and spewed from Mare Street outwards across the whole borough. Good luck with the case.

Thank you so much.

Unfortunately I think the future of motorcycling is not good

the motorcycle mot does not include emmissions based results so they should not be able to base the new charges on that but thecc of bikes varies emmissions as well so across the board charging would be unfair as well .. its a matter of time before they wriggle somethig in because they are now charging electric vehicles to use the roads .. exemption does not seem to be aloud anymore ... sad situations all round

Riding a bicycle I have a distance of about 100 miles in my legs, EV’s have an approx 150 mile range. Combustion engine vehicles have a greater range due to short refill times! It’s about reducing your ability to move around, 15 minute city anyone? Are you getting it yet!

Well done to all involved

BANES council: we’ll produce another consultation with questions that skew the answers in our favour!

Well done, but remember councillors aren't very intelligent and very shorted sighted and they don't really care about the public. We all know they are looking for an excuse to raise taxes. My challenge to them is where is the money they raise going to? Perhaps to pay off some of the debts, this should be a legal challenge. If they want to reduce emissions to zero I suggest we stop human life...

The emissions of small engines is usually worse than larger engines, and motorcycles don't appear to have catalysts. With a catalytic converter running very hot, there's a challenge of where to locate it, safely. Mile for mile, motorcycles are likely to be dirtier than cars. Parking charges based on emissions, for any vehicle, are a nonsense. If local, I might commute into town, a couple of miles, or less. If not local, I might choose to visit Bath, travelling 50-100 miles. The latter will emit significantly more, yet pay the same parking charge.

Tell them that a motorcycle is a defined step from a car to a bicycle…..

The issue here is not whether bikes should be ‘taxed’ based on emissions, but the level at which such taxes should be set. I do wonder whether the councils considering such a scheme have realised that setting such levels on a pro-rata scale based on cars would result in admin costs exceeding revenue, and have settled on the ludicrous 50cc and 600cc equivalence scales to ensure that they make money rather than lose it. Do bear in mind that councils are far more vexed about revenue than the health of pedestrians (we are all pedestrians once we have parked our vehicles). Business rates in all towns are in crisis- thanks to Amazon and co and you can go one of two ways with this - encourage people to return to towns (this will cost a truly epic amount of funds that councils don’t have), or squeeze what you can out of the tax payer and kick the can down the road. I do wonder what they’ll come up with to tax EVs that have the temerity to park - not that anyone sane enough to do the maths will be buying one in the near future. So, when everyone is riding/driving an EV

I am surprised representatives of the UK motorcycle industry are not joining forces with MAG. With motorcycle sales on the decline and dealers closing down, then it is very much in the interest of the UK motorcycle industry to get onboard.

Perhaps BANES needs to get input from, you know, some actual engineers rather than Green Party members? This seems to be a common problem with councils; lack of technical expertise, lack of ability even to understand technical advice. The paradox for councils is that they want to reduce vehicles coming into congested areas in one department, while in another they want to maximise car parking income. They are actually in conflict. A logical approach to parking is to do a Japan and have small spaces for small (Kei) cars, big spaces for big cars, and very small spaces for bikes, and then charge by area. But the people with the big cars also have the loudest voices.

Thanks for the team effort, eyes an ears now they won't stop.

Lets just get it ghat the government want as much money as they can get... well done to everyone involved in this victory.. thank you

Another money making racket.

Well done guys. Please keep up the good work. I pay £1 per day to park ANYWHERE within Westminster.

I've been trying to convince my Wife for us to leave the UK. It seems there is a never ending attempt to find ways to extort money from the people.

It was only ever about the money. It's a nuisance not knowing who to bribe.

Mean while the Chinese are building coal fired power stations that are belching out emissions so that we can enjoy their products. Amongst which are a significant number of EV s whose global environmental impact is anything but green. The amount of pollution that a few motorcycles parking in a city producing comparison is infinitessimally small. The hue and cry that these authorities get themselves into pursuing green agendas is completely out of proportion. What exactly are these zealots on?

Thanks for your update, if Bath starts charging emission charges on motorcycles the money grubbing council in Bristol will jump on the bandwagon.

Does it matter if a vehicle is PARKED what is the cause of any emissions? It might there but if it is not running it is totally emission free. Bikes are a traffic reducing way of transport FULL STOP

Man leave the poor motorcyclist alone its obvious that cars and suvs are more polluting than a motorbike and we should be encouraging people to get on 2 wheels

It’s not stopped, just delayed.

I am pleased that my submission to the constitution had some small part in the council’s re-think but I have no doubt that these ideologically driven zealots will be back for another bite at this cherry. We should stick to the view of No Data , No Charge.

I doesn't matter whether it's a bike or car, it's not polluting while parked up. Just a scam

How on earth does charging help to reduce air pollution,why not simply ban all ICE vehicles.

Yay and congrats. Have subbed as keen to follow this. Agree woth the comments on BANES dogma over this. The ZEV mandate also suggest that they only want EVs in their council area, but they would likely still charge them for parking and on congestion. They just want the money. That the DVLA doesn't hold emission data for motorbikes is just an inconvenient fact that the council doesn't like.

Well done MAG. Thanks for your efforts.

Will motorcycles end up paying the pay per mile charges the government are proposing

I submitted feedback so I’m pleased it’s helped, just as an aside I have a personal friend who’s involved with the updating of parking charges at another council on the South Coast. I mentioned the Bath situation to her and explained why motorcycles are a good idea / congestion / low pollution etc., she’s brought this to the attention of their team, we’ll see what happens.

Good thing too ,my old A10 smokes like a kipper and leaks oil like the Exon Valdez ( don't laugh your modern bikes might slip in my puddle) 😁

well done for know guys keep up the good fight.

we have to realise that 99% of councils are WELDED to the idea that only cycling, walking and bus use reduce congestion & pollution. My LA (Oxford City & County councils, lobbied by CYCLOX) are so blinkered in that view*, that they seem like they have their heads up their bottoms. I couldn't even tell you if or how much secure motorcycle parking there is in the city centre. *(they're even going to keep the cycle lane open in a pedestrianised street during the annual Christmas Market event).

If there's no safe limit for pollution are thay going to exterminate all life as all life produces pollution.

I submitted feedback and got an email yesterday to say they had reconsidered. They will bring it in no doubt, more broadbrush no doubt

Ideology almost beats common sense. Who'd have thought?

It's interesting to note that Amazon has risen to success by being more convenient for many. Surely the key to reducing vehicle mileage is improving local services and therefore making leaving the car on the drive convenient, rather than trying to make motoring more inconvenient? Perhaps a return to Sunday trading laws that saw supermarkets close would breath life back into local shops, and certainly seems a better solution than blocking roads turning a six mile journey into nine and doubling the time taken with all the increases in pollution this leads to. Moving into motorcycles, as much as I would be happy to cycle across the capital the 30 miles of M4 prior to arriving there makes this unrealistic - acknowledging a motorcycle is less 'green' than a bicycle is great, however motorcycles are a practical alternative to cars for journeys beyond the average cyclist's reach.

It will happen, because they can make money. I suspect they'll go with a fixed rate for all motorcycles.

Brilliant, common sense prevails..

Well done everyone involved 👍

I am so glad I completed the feedback for this. Had an email today saying Bath have withdrawn the proposed emission based charge for motorcycles. They are going to review cjarges through a consultation at a later date. Well done MAG for bringing this to our attention and for everyone who completed the consultation feedback.

I am a lifelong (60+ years ) motorcyclist .But we are a dieing breed due to 50 year of anti motorcycle proppanganda and young people not uptakeing an interest any more. Ownership of cars is now beyond the reach of many young people as is home ownership and like it or not , the rise of E bikes and cycling is now the only form off affordable daily transport for a vast number of people and as such this is what the goverment should be prioritizing for the future.