Ultimate Doom Nightmare! Monster Tier List (ft. Peter)

[@originpulse4234]

“All Shotgun Guys can go to heck.” Shotgun Guy: *“That’s...why I’m here.”*

[@skissue12929]

Lmfao

[@gigaboi7921]

My head canon is heck is just a place filled with doom guys

[@rubyaspookyskeleton2417]

Plutonia Tier List: Tier SS: Chaingunners and Revenants TIer S: Archviles Tier F: The Rest of enemies

[@WW-zt1zs]

teleporting in your face bullshit Barons i think deserve a solid B

[@elefanteguerreropsiquicoan8951]

That's just normal Plutonia, Nightmare Plutonia would be like SSSS+++++ GO FUCK YOURSELF: Chaingunners, thousands of chaingunners. SS: Archvile, Revenant and Pinkies FF-: Everything Else Actually no scrap that, Nightmare Plutonia Tier List must be a just bag of Dario Casali's ball sweat and a copy of TNT inside it

[@average_pyro]

Then nobody is tier F

[@Drk_Matter-yn8ec]

What about TNT?

[@Taffywater]

*cough* *cough* pain elementals *cough* *cough*

[@soupalex]

Ultimate Doom (PG) chapters: *Knee-deep in the Med* (doomguy goes paddling in the sea on his holiday to Amalfi) *The Shores of Heck* (the sand on the beach is pretty hot, better wear sandals!) *(Disco) Inferno* (doomguy shows off his moves at the resort's dance party) *Thy Fish Consumed* (doomguy enjoys a delicious dish of fish puttanesca)

[@praisecats2724]

Wait, at least 8 levels where you just eat a fish?

[@soupalex]

@@praisecats2724 eh, doomguido, _chi del gitano i giorni abbella,_ eh? come 'ere, _tutti vespa macaroni fiat uno,_ you gotta try this, _mia mamma,_ she make-a the best-a puttanesca, just-a for you!

[@chrism1518]

It took me way too long to realize that Knee-Deep In The Med meant the Mediterranean. I'm an idiot

[@sivvinod3187]

@@chrism1518 knee deep in the meds

[@lawrencewood3438]

@@sivvinod3187 (doom guy struggles with his cocain addiction)

[@alicetretyakova3971]

So, cacos are tomatoes, strawberries and raspsberries at the same time. The hellish biology is so surprising

[@x1teDota]

Don't forget Meatball.

[@alicetretyakova3971]

@@x1teDota In Text to Doom, yes. But decino uses this for pain elementals

[@VaterOrlaag]

That's "heckish biology", get it straight.

[@decino]

Str*ight.

[@ShinoSarna]

tomatoes are berries, so it fits.

[@thejoshchannel45]

I like how he says “once” in “once you run dangerously low on health” , not “if”, *Once.*

[@thesmilingman7576]

It's inevitable

[@WW-zt1zs]

Whenever I am playing Hell Beneath I just wanna give American McGee high five for desigining this level. In the face. With a chair.

[@panthekirb7561]

Romero deserves a brick to the head for e4m2.

[@WW-zt1zs]

@@panthekirb7561 pretty nasty but at least you get enough resources around the map to eventually power through everything there. Plasma, Bfg, good stuff. In e4m1 you get 12 Rockets to deal with...5 or 6 Barons of hell and hitscanners shooting through the wall while you can't. And no medikits. ffs... Even TNT gives you chainsaws to Pick these hitscanners around the corners...but here...fuck this map

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@WW-zt1zs Not just no medkits, no stimpacks either. NOTHING except a pathetic nine 1-HP bonuses.

[@dootscute1739]

Wanna check their Vibes? Take these: Super shotgun BFG Chainsaw

[@panthekirb7561]

@TheVoiceOfTruth Ain't Romero barely any better in that regard?

[@oil_moon]

"if you can beat E1M3 you can beat any other level" *proceeds to show the absolute hellscape of E4M6* Oh you.

[@rydia_ma01]

*_L E I R O N Y_*

[@explosiveaddict6939]

I'm playing with all of John Romero's addons-- E1M4b, E1M8b, and Sigil. So when I beat E1M3, I was so excited until I got to the TRUE *Nightmare!* of E1M4b. I still haven't beat it.

[@Liam-sb9vb]

666 likes. I can't like your comment or I'd ruin it.

[@OlviMasta77]

@@Liam-sb9vb dew it

[@chrism1518]

ShadowBreaker9001 I’ve only beaten E1M3 on Nightmare! twice, both of which being on the BFG Edition without turbo pinkies, etc. To this day I’ve never been able to beat it on true Nightmare.

[@sittinkittin]

It's really cute how fidgety Doom's monsters get in confined spaces, especially with fast monsters enabled.

[@kaczan3]

Well, The Cyber-Demon was in the secret nazi level of Doom 2 so of course he's SS.

[@decino]

Good point.

[@MidnightMechanic]

@@decino The Cyberdemon's also tankie as hell. *Soviet anthem plays*

[@UziIdiot]

@@decino He's also summoned by the nazis in Wolfenstein RPG and loses his arm and leg

[@decino]

@@UziIdiot The plot thickens...!

[@ootdega]

@@UziIdiot Wait hold on _there's an explanation for that??_ That's fukken amazing

[@odstagent1070]

I'm imagining a conference with Decino and Peter using marine helmets showing a presentation named "Ultimate Doom enemy tier list" in front of some marines, Doomguy, the Cyberdemon, the Spider and the other enemies, everyone clapping, while Decino says cute things about cacodemons and Peter telling everyone how he survived with 3% health and a broken arm (Great job as always)

[@vibemasterkorosu2469]

This comment is gold

[@mikemandalorian2427]

5:27 that's a... nice transition? xD

[@thearch-vile8232]

Your the only one who replied about that

[@aposescout6280]

doom pp bottom text

[@zomge_videos]

Right when I saw that transition, I look right for this comment

[@Youtuber4937]

LMAO, I didn't even notice that when I first saw it, then realized it's an a$$hole. lol

[@carstealer]

pp

[@TheChensta]

Decino: Says heck to be advertiser-friendly. Also Decino: Shores of H E L L.

[@aech_two_oh]

How dare decino say h€ll 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@near5148]

Lo I

[@Saver310]

@@near5148 fnf pfp :(((

[@AbsnormalCoolest]

@@Saver310 whats the problem

[@Saver310]

@@AbsnormalCoolest h

[@MinervaMarigolds]

16:02 "then blast his juicy ass" that had me dying of laughter, the Cyber Demon's thiccness is not something anyone should mess with

[@Kitsune_Chara_CG]

Oh You Think hes thicc XD

[@errornoname23]

When you turn on Nightmare, every Pinky in the game gets a full explosive barrel to drink before Doom Guy arrives. The barrels are filled with morphine, adrenaline, and Monster.

[@4ak346]

Lmao

[@Mordecai02]

I mean, wouldn't the morphine and the adrenaline+monster kinda cancel out? I'm pretty sure the former is a hell of a downer

[@ssjbread2803]

​@@Mordecai02the adrenaline and monster speed him up, the morphine destroys his pain receptors

[@pikaporeon]

I'm always shocked Cacos debuted in epi2 as theyre so iconic to doom but werent in the shareware everyone played

[@natedoggcata]

Hell Revealed tier list: Archville: 🔥

[@mousemeat3319]

Too right lol

[@criticallyconk4944]

--ArchVile-- Lit bois

[@KHlb_]

*H E R E C O M E S F L A M E B O I I I G N I T E Y O U*

[@OpeoAslam]

KH9l3b_ 228 flameflameflameflameflameflame

[@stopandplaystudios4030]

:iigniteyou:

[@mokibomo]

I saw how you zoomed in on that Imp, Decino.. But you forgot Cacohole.

[@decino]

Next time.

[@mokibomo]

Don't forget Romeros tweet about it for maximum pain state laughing.

[@ghoulbuster1]

>pain state laughing LUL

[@chazgoat]

just like what romero said. "i cant talk about those holes"

[@ovidiuz34]

I did episode 4 on Ultra Violence, I don't need more stress in my life..

[@volo870]

Wow! I was too frustrated to beat it even on Hurt Me Plenty!

[@hegecactus8938]

Plutonia tier list would be pretty boring with just chaingunner, archvile and revenant

[@decino]

The reason why we're not going to bother with Final Doom.

[@captain1337.]

@@decino im sad now

[@captain1337.]

@@decino how about doom 64

[@josheboythespeedrunner8491]

Greengate maybe since he’s playing it

[@williamsmith666]

@@captain1337. Zombieman: C Shotgunner: SS Imp: D Nightmare Imp: B Pinky: C Spectre: B Lost Soul: SS Cacodemon: C Hell Knight: D Baron: C Arachnotron: B Pain Elemental: S Mancubus: B Cyberdemon: A Mother Demon: S (if fighting normally), D (with powered up Unmaker)

[@MrEvilbyte]

Cyberdemon (E2M8): So easy we can punch him out! Cyberdemon (E3M9): EZ cause free invul! Cyberdemon (E4M2): Ez cause Telefrag ftw! Cyberdemon (E4M7): Free Invul and Supercharge! Cyberdemon (E4M6): OMG THIS IS BEYOND LEGENDARY HECK ON EARTH DIFFICULTY!!!!!

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Now, on an _episode_ run the E2M8 one would still be a right pain in the ass.

[@JDRed117]

"the f-" *boom*

[@ShinoSarna]

I wonder why Spiderdemon has once again classed as F tier. I think this might be ironically because of her high health - she has too much health to really be used in a normal level, so she is only good as a boss monster. But as a boss monster, she is really boring - because her attack is hitscan and she is huge and slow, entire fight consists of standing behind cover, and only peeking out to shoot at her - something that you can't do with Cyberdemon without risking lethal splash damage. Arachnotron is genuinely a fixed and useful version of Spiderdemon - smaller for more mobility, less health means you can put several of those in a level without making played dump their entire ammo, and automatic chaingun replaced with automatic plasmagun means dodging their attacks is more exciting.

[@KijiroBugboy]

I think another aspect that not a lot of people talk about is the Spiderdemon's sheer size. She is by far the widest enemy in the game, and while the Cybie is taller, that doesn't really mean anything in vanilla Doom game mechanics, so she's just easier to hit than him. This also means that the places she can be placed are very limited, even more than the Cyberdemon. The Cybie pops up 5? times throughout all of Ultimate Doom, while the Spidey only pops up twice, both as final boss appearances. To add insult to injury, she also (for some reason) has quite a bit less health than he does, 2500 vs. 4000. *In addition*, she's also much easier to stunlock in my experience, and more prone to infighting likely because of the hitscan armament. All this, combined with free BFG, contributes to a vastly underwhelming final boss for both the original Doom and Ultimate Doom.

[@serhiy-serhiiv]

@@KijiroBugboy spider mastermind has 3000 hp, not 2500.

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

@@KijiroBugboyI wonder what she'd be like if she had the Archvile's magic attack in addition to her gun.

[@Mordecai02]

@@ZeldaTheSwordsman Or better yet, double plasma cannons (which each fire half as fast as the player's plasma gun and fire alternatingly, totaling up to the same rate of fire as the player's). And an extra thousand HP.

[@cfdeers]

Is Decino secretly turning into an advertiser-friendly analyzer?

[@reloadpsi]

Maybe he's secretly a talking doggo, and his native language is actually that broken English they're always shown talking.

[@ADR69]

Heck yeah he is!

[@hansleberwurst8825]

Money doesn't grow on trees.

[@AverageJoe8686]

Yeah you can do all things through the power of christ. Except use swear words and you gotta give the church 10% of your money even when you need it to feed your kids. Also if someone who studies the world that god gave his only son for is telling you that the world is getting destroyed forever, then you absolutely must stone them to death after you ruin their reputation and break their spirit. Also also even though your blood sugar is low because you couldn't afford to eat because you gave that money to the church, and then you have a bad day and flip out, it's all your fault and you're going to hell forever. Also also also if someone tries to show you the errors of your ways you must hate them because jesus is love.

[@squillamsquallace2468]

Or maybe he is too wholesome to mutter H*ll in his devil beating rampage. It is what Bob Ross would have wanted.

[@the1stwing]

Pinky's be like "If we Naruto run, we can dodge his bullets!"

[@lessel3465]

Cause WE ARE FIGHTING DREAMERS

[@solknuckles2408]

"If we all run at him he can't kill us all"

[@MMMMMMMMM2]

"Found a BFG 9000"

[@yurionedge2199]

Fuck Naruto.

[@las4gna84]

Pinkies will break in Area 51 confirmed

[@LittlleJimmy941]

"...and because of this, cyberdemom moves to tier SS" But...you placed him there initially

[@decino]

clever boi

[@LooselyDnD]

Want a job?

[@schmorgus4592]

@Иван Кольчевский sad you never got that job offer, better luck next time

[@claytonpactol8851]

@@decino You moved him from a high place... *to a HIHG place*

[@Marvin_Aethos]

@@claytonpactol8851 hihg

[@librarianseraphim3934]

"In conclusion,shotgunners in tier S,they can all die and go to HeCk." - Decino

[@jb_lofi]

He's freakin' right. The deepest, darkest, coldest pit of heck is reserved for hitscanners! >:C

[@average_pyro]

@@jb_lofi but they're already there

[@neotheshadowwarrior4082]

@@average_pyro hecker

[@spaicrab5327]

A 18 minutes yellow background video... *This is gonna be good*

[@MathClassCartoons]

The transition at 5:28 was 10/10

[@halvtysk]

"Adorable raspberries". This is comment gold!

[@Jamrab]

What's with the "can't mention nine inch nails in 2019" reference? Did I miss something :((

[@Jamrab]

@Adam Demeter could you tell us more about it

[@Lattamonsteri]

I am shocked to hear this D:

[@Jamrab]

@Adam Demeter ugh that's pretty sad. Hate easter eggs being ruined

[@DrearierSpider1]

@Adam Demeter That would be my guess, especially considering how many hoops you have to jump through to get the NIN soundtrack working in digital versions of Quake (if it's included at all).

[@HazmanFTW]

Oh man that sucks. :'( good thing I only play it on PC :D tho on Switch would be pretty nice to be able to play on the go. But I don't want to buy Doom again.

[@vandieyahya1024]

Both Decino and Peter make a solid duo host for all doom-related topics. Their turn by turn speechs is really awesome! Also i like how Decino alone keep 'bluff'ing about "why Cyberdemon in tier SS?" Lol. He does that a very lot and make me gag a lot!

[@vandieyahya1024]

The one with repeated 'oh, hmmm' and 'what the h*ck?' XD

[@shiba2ndworlder]

My uncle installed in my laptop the "True action mod" and the most dangerous enemy was a laser gun armed zombieman in trousers

[@officialromanhours]

Sounds like something out of a Shadow Warrior mod

[@precurrentgaming5300]

From the original my personal favorite enemy was always the Baron of Hell. They always looked so cool as a kid and the green fire ball made them even cooler.

[@somequasiparticles]

"Heck on Earth" Proceeds to analyze footage of one of the most obscenely violent and satanic video games of all time

[@Akie51]

The cyberdemon part was hilarious

[@demogorgonzola]

From the famed Priests song "Turbo Pinky" 🎶 You won't hear me, but you'll feel me Without warning, somethings dawning, listen. Then within your senses, you'll know you're defenseless I'm your turbo pinky, tell me there's no other I'm your turbo pinky - better run for cover 🎶

[@darutucaruti9980]

I love the way you describe the game at the beginning, like if it's a very obscure game that almost nobody has played

[@viridian6812]

>decino uploads VERY fast me running at incredible hihg speeds

[@rattlehead1003]

5:28 NNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[@Klausinator451]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqLHgGOcfKt1j7M couldn't find the clip of him saying "Yeah get in there!" Thisll have to do.

[@chaoseclipse0121]

2:15 - For some odd reason, Peter sounds like he's listing off an entry from the Schmidt Sting Pain Index with the way he talks about the Shotgunner, lol.

[@rydia_ma01]

"Shotgunners are bad they can all die, and can go to heck" Ah yes, irony.

[@MatthewBester]

I really love these videos. Thanks for showing the "Doom (Strict)" option, I do prefer more vanilla experience, I just want smooth with better resolutions half the time. Here is an idea for a video... Would you talk about the options in these engines. I have no idea what most of them do. I tend to leave them in default position.

[@decino]

I could make a video about ZDoom/vanilla differences.

[@MatthewBester]

That would be useful. The tooltips they give mean little to me.

[@nowaywithyoueveragai]

@@decino oh yeah!!

[@tjg121389]

@@decino I would like that as well! That would be super informative.

[@Mordecai02]

@@decino Dude, that'd be awesome. Thanks.

[@agiar2000]

I remember thinking that, except as the final episode boss of The Shores of Hell, the Cyberdemon is more of a puzzle boss than a real tough enemy. He's terrible if you try to face him head on, but every level where he's not the final boss of the episode, the level provides you a shortcut to beating it easily, such as an invincibility powerup and a BFG or a telefrag opportunity.

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Although it seems on Nightmare, that gets screwed up on E4M6.

[@Jacktrack7]

"Are you willing to try Nightmare! difficulty?" LOL NO.

[@planterbox]

thank you so much for adding subtitles! i’m not deaf, i’m just bad at hearing, but i appreciate them nonetheless.

[@BillyBillyandMandyReal]

"Switch Version lacks fast monsters" The new update would like to speak to you

[@spingebinge]

Thumbnail: *Exists* 2016 Pinky: Hahaha, I’m in danger.

[@josephrossow8901]

Really neat video! Comparing this to the Doom 2 tier list is really an interesting study in how different contexts can make the same enemies a very different experience.

[@dutybound2211]

It's amazing how two extra bullets can turn an enemy from pathetic to lethal.

[@CZPC]

Love your videos man. Not a huge fan of crossovers or bonus people personally on any channel but it still seems like you did a great job here.

[@PeterLawrenceYT]

I wrote the script dude, lmao

[@mainlander3920]

Strange how the mid boss is on the highest tier while the final boss is in the lowest one, but yeah, the Spider Mastermind is quite easy to kill in all her appearances.

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

It doesn't help that she has more surrounding monsters to infight with than just Lost Souls, and can't kill them as fast with her only attack. I wonder how it would go if she had whatever her magic attack was going to be, or the Arch-vile's as a substitute.

[@trollpolice3_]

Doom II Cacodemon calls them tomatoes with cute looks Doom Cacodemon Raspberry Doom Pinkie addicted to energy drinks. Boy you are one creative guy

[@kic8523]

I've always liked the way you say "Pinkies". I'ts cute

[@frydemwingz]

Peeinkees

[@RdTrler]

10:52 When you're a door-to-door salesman and you knock on the wrong door.

[@squidwardgaming1087]

i think you opened the door to hell bro

[@Tymon02]

Finally someone who considers lost souls easy and SPECTERS THE ABSOLUTE NUISANCE

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

I feel like the Nightmare 100% Secrets playthroughs of the Doom games are what Doomguy canonically went through. No wonder he's so heck-bent on killing of demons, he had to contend with nightmarish hitscan ambushes and speedy boi projectiles as a normal person every single time he steps out into the open.

[@pmwest7977]

Doom 2 : [COMMANDER_KEEN_PAIN.wav] On Earth

[@telemassacre]

Doom 2: [DSKEENPN] on earth

[@kapparomeo]

I do like your title screens, they're a lot of fun.

[@Johnnocide06]

Genuinely curious why your language is PG when your channel if filled with MA15+ gameplay. No complaints though, love the channel :)

[@decino]

Because frick.

[@mjc0961]

I find the contrast amusing.

[@buggy730]

"Addiction to energy drinks" My god how much energy drinks does the UAC have? Basically having that many energy drinks your heart just *pop*

[@yesimforreal8655]

1:39 ZOMBIE MAN 2:12 SHOTGUNER 4:28 IMP 5:35 PINKY/SPECTER 7:46 LOST SOUL 8:54 CACO DEMON 10:39 BARON OF HELL 12:49 *SPIDER MASTERMIND* 13:52🔥 *CYBERDEMON* 🔥

[@neil8806]

the way peter talks makes it so it sounds like hes always smiling

[@TheAzorg]

Come on, monster tier lists from serious sams ! :D

[@lily91109]

I've never played doom before. It's just fun to listen to people gushing about their favourite topics.

[@SurfbyShootin]

You should do a weapons tier list.

[@JamieBainbridge]

Being forced to fight to progress is an interesting observation about Doom 1. It's almost like the game is well-paced! As much as people talk shit about Sandy's level design, I love his maps and am glad for his contribution.

[@JollyJuiice]

6:25 Pinkies: _Scooby Doo running sound_

[@sokoTV2]

I was gonna say "pls make a weapon tier list that'd be rly cool" but then I remembered the super shotgun. So I guess the next tier list will be monsters for whatever Doom game you wanna do next.

[@jacderida]

Another great video decino! (And Peter!) Would you ever consider doing a video detailing the differences between source ports? At the beginning of this video you spoke of things GZDoom had removed from the engine. I'm curious to know how different they actually are. I'm sure I heard John Romero saying in some commentary that he uses GZDoom and I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was something along the lines of it being very faithful to the original game, the only real difference being the hardware rendering. Or perhaps Romero is mistaken and just doesn't know enough of the details?

[@decino]

That's on my to-do list.

[@jacderida]

@@decino Nice one - I'll look forward to that!

[@jacderida]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4a4aJJ4qc11ja8 I found where Romero said it - it was in this video. He starts talking about it around 10:10. He was actually talking about the Doomsday Engine though, not GZDoom - my bad.

[@Tactical_wulf5.56]

I'm just starting to really get into the flow of doom. This tier list will help if I'm ever brave enough to try an ultra nightmare run

[@DasPitchfork]

6:47 He meant to say "tiny-ass room" but said "tiny ass-room."

[@SoldierOfFate]

Loved your sarcastic buildup with the Cyberdemon and the reason why he's SS tier....because we all know that ONE level alone that makes him earn that spot on the list.

[@okay.6024]

Spider mastermind: "final boss" Me: Laughs In J.J.J from spider-man " *You serious?* "

[@RedW4rr10r]

I lol'ed real life during that Cyber Demon compilation xD cool video, thanks to you both!

[@FeistyKant]

5:28 :D

[@AdamChristensen]

Where are we going?! 😮

[@FeistyKant]

@@AdamChristensen some where Deep

[@theo.n.u1133]

As one more Doomer in the community, I must admit that I love these types of videos as yours Mr. decino, I hope this channel forges its own prosperous destiny.

[@_sharkdev_]

With the amount of hearted comments I see, I believe that not only is Decino a great youtuber, but also has much love to give for his viewers Edit: for his viewers

[@tommy8058]

Interesting analyse video. Thanks Peter and decino. 👍👊🤘❤ And hug youtube for keeping me on the right way......

[@gojithereploid7623]

I'd swap the Caco and Baron, and personally think the Cyberdemon is D/C tier, but otherwise this list is great! Solid reasoning for everything even the placements I disagree with

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Have you played E4M6 on Nightmare, yourself?

[@mjc0961]

decino - Doom 2: Heck on Earth Petere - Fighting Pinkies in a tiny ass room. 🤔🤣

[@doktawhawee9870]

"Hecc on Earf"

[@GrimLearns]

Hi again guys! Just wanted to update you on my "all dooms nightmare run" since i dont really have anyone else to share it with and you inspired me to do it in the first place. Gotten through ultimate doom (ep 1-4), sigil, doom 2, no rest for the living, master levels for doom 2, tnt evilution, plutonia experiment, doom 3, doom 3 ressurection of evil, doom 3 lost mission on nightmare and now there's only doom '16 ultra-nightmare mode left. If anyone's curious i based my runs of classic dooms either on decino/peter runs or zero master (+few levels i made up my own routes since for example there is no nightmare run of tnt map32 etc.). The hardest level in classic dooms on nightmare in my opinion is either vivisection from no rest for the living or express elevator to hell from master levels. Doom 3 nightmare mode was a joke in comparison lol. Great video as always, hope you keep them coming!

[@decino]

Impressive!

[@theswampylad5734]

E4m1 is easily the hardest official map of any doom game, even harder than map32 of Plutonia

[@majamystic256]

E4M2 I personally consider harder than E4M1

[@toretronio9030]

Not if you grab the bfg behind the wall

[@PeterLawrenceYT]

TNT MAP09

[@mjc0961]

I know that's wrong because E4M2 is harder than E4M1, and then Peter already mentioned TNT map 9. And map 32 isn't even the hardest Plutonia map, that map gives you a BFG and tons of cells and Megashperes. It may be full of brutal monsters, and you may die a few times by catching some unlucky rockets, but it's relatively easy since you can BFG to win.

[@theswampylad5734]

@@mjc0961 I think E4m1 is harder for me because of the resources you get. There's pretty much no health on the map meaning if you take alot of hits early you have to restart. How tight and small the map it. The The strongest weapon you get is the rocket launcher, at least e4m2 gives you a plasma gun for barons. That's just what makes the level extremely hard for me is just how perfectly you have to play, e4m2 just have more resources thus more chances to mess up. While on e4m1 you must play perfect to win

[@bemannen]

the thumbnail makes me think of pinky demon performing akuma's raging demon

[@virusinfection1]

I noticed some of the unused sprites with the former human enemies what mod did you use to get this in game?

[@decino]

www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/sprfix19

[@NinjaCacodemon_IsSus]

Imps be like "YAY! FINALLY ME BEING HIGH TIER!!!"

[@EvacTouch]

*h e c c* on earth "as they naruto run at you" OMG LOL

[@Sinn0100]

First and foremost, your Doom coverage is second to none. I do have a couple minor critiques that I would like to share. I find that Imp's fireballs are very easy to dodge if you watch their hands. Once they go into their fire animation you have a split second to move before he let's it fly. It doesn't matter which wah you strafe as long as you do before the shot flies. Pinkies are another incredibly easy monster to deal with. First, alert them with your chainsaw. Then back into either a doorway or a corner of a room. Put your back against where the walls join and they will funnel single file into your chainsaw. Both of these tricks work on any setting even with fast demons. Chaingunners are the bane of my existence. One might be easy but two will chew you up in a second. Love this channel!

[@baal-thekebabremover6550]

14:33 STOP CYBER BULLYING!!!!!!!

[@YogiTheBearMan]

5:25 nice screen transition. Right up the imps funny looking shadow. LMAO

[@uacRaise]

SS Cyberdemon just because of one single level? When Demons and Shotgunners gives you hard time in rest of the game. Imo I still consider Shotgunners as most dangerous enemies on nightmare difficulty. It's difficult to predict their respawn tick and it takes instantly around 30 hp. But still, your DooM explanations videos are pleasure to watch.

[@decino]

Tier list is based on beating every level on nightmare. E4M6 is the hardest level of them all because of the extra shenanigans and detours you're forced to do to successfully beat the cyberdemon.

[@KijiroBugboy]

@@decino I feel like at that point it's an argument of preference. Whether highest impact in a single level or highest impact throughout the game is more important to you. I still find it supremely unfair that the Cybie is in the highest tier while the Spidey is in the lowest. Honestly, what was id thinking with her enemy design and encounter design?

[@erc3338]

I always read hihg as heeg, and it just makes that thumbnail all the more better.

[@thewaver8]

Small question (with a potential long reply): why is GZDoom considered impure? You mentioned "engine quirks", but to me that's very non-specific. I would be very keen on a video going through the different PC ports and their... ummm... impurities (and whether they are accepted for official runs). :)

[@riba2233]

Agreed, I would also like to hear more detailed explanation.

[@morinor1340]

Essentially the original games are full of bugs and weird behaviour, weird collisions, things partially or fully clipping, etc. GZDoom heavily modifies how the game runs, and 'fixes' a lot of these quirks. Oh, and it changes monster hitboxes so theyre easier to punch.

[@Shepardus]

As Morinor said, ZDoom and its variants change a lot of vanilla Doom's quirks, such as collision detection (if you've ever tried to chainsaw a mancubus or spiderdemon in vanilla Doom, you know how broken it can be), random number generation, the knockback from explosions (in vanilla Doom explosions only push things horizontally even if they come from a vertical angle, like a rocket fired from below), movement bugs like wallrunning, etc. More things than I know, and certainly too many to list here. These were changed for various reasons, but this tends to happen when a feature gets rewritten to make things more flexible for modders. Some of these changes can be enabled/disabled with compatibility flags but others cannot. In general, ZDoom is kind of its own thing and doesn't aim for demo compatibility with vanilla, even with "Doom (strict)" compatibility settings (which is more to fix maps that break with normal ZDoom settings than it is to create identical behavior). In fact it uses a separate demo format from vanilla Doom, so a demo recorded in ZDoom cannot be played in vanilla Doom and vice versa. Demo compatibility between versions of ZDoom is also not the best, so to play back a ZDoom demo you may need the same version with which it was recorded. For recording "official" demos you generally want to use vanilla Doom, Chocolate/Crispy Doom, or PrBoom+ (with the appropriate -complevel setting). These place much emphasis on maintaining vanilla behavior and demo compatibility. Boom changes some behavior from vanilla, such as how many lost souls pain elementals can spawn, but PrBoom's complevel option lets you choose the version of Doom whose behavior you want to emulate, so demos recorded with it will often be done with certain standard complevels such as -complevel 2 (Doom 1.9/Doom II) and -complevel 9 (Boom 2.02).

[@wssdude]

Try to shoot a rocket into group of cacos in GZDoom and in PRBoom. This is one of the most outrageous things in GZDoom when you love (like me) playing maps that are all about managing groups of monsters. There are many videos about this and similar issues with GZDoom and the like vs. any true vanilla source port. EDIT: if you want to see what I mean, I found this after few minutes of searching... kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYSoaHV_hcpmh9U Sad thing is, this is not the only issue with ZDoom ports (as @Shepardus said)

[@thewaver8]

Woah - thank you for all the replies and explanations! :) If I'm, being perfectly honest, ZDoom seems to make everything way more versatile (I mean, what's the point of having a flying monster that can't fly over other monsters?) - BUT, that being said, I completely understand now how it warps the original experience. Cheers, everyone!

[@Shyrou00]

It is almost 7 am but I couldn't wait a couple of hours to see this video, I didn't get the NiN joke tho ):

[@decino]

Bethesda got rid of the NiN logo on the Switch version.

[@lancebaylis3169]

You guys should do an analysis of Doom 2 multiplayer on UV/Nightmare skill with monsters switched to 'on', there are loads more monsters that are tagged only to appear in that enviroment including a Cyberdemon in nearly every map (It's particularly fun fighting a Cybe in the level Downtown, some thing that doesn't happen in one player mode)

[@TheBoxyBear]

What's the deal with Nine Inch Nails in 2019?

[@decino]

Bethesda got rid of the NiN easter egg in the recent remasters.

[@daphats56]

@@decino oof

[@JorgeGomez-hx5uu]

Gay af. NiN rocks

[@tgcv4444]

@@decino That's disappointing, but not a big deal.

[@tastychunks]

@@tgcv4444 What's this, a reasonable reaction on KZbin? Blasphemy.

[@Rigohinojosa15]

The way you describe things is just too funny lol keep em coming !

[@eliteguard225]

Cyberdemon in SS just because of a single level...? This list seems biased to me.

[@dowom1452]

He had the rocket launcher aimed at his head while making this video

[@decino]

If you want to beat every Ultimate Doom level on nightmare E4M6 will be the toughest map to beat. The entire strategy revolves around that pesky cyberdemon.

[@PeterLawrenceYT]

That single encounter was enough to make E4M6 the last level of Ultimate Doom to ever be beaten on Nightmare. That level is HARD.

[@MrCandySkull]

He was running so fast in the thumbnail it said "hihg" damn, Pinkies are really fast!

[@ilocosmetro]

I got the 666th view!

[@buggy730]

3:39 you call this resisting arrest? *WE CALL THIS A DIFFICULTY TWEAK.*