Doom II - MAP15: Industrial Zone (Nightmare! 100% Secrets + Items)

[@Vytaan]

Yeah, what a great run! I completely agree that this map is the hardest so far. The length makes it way worse, plus the fact that the horrible secret is at the very end... it's just so easy for the pain elemental to not cooperate and waste 10 minutes of your time. And wow... thank you so much for the unexpected shoutout at the end, it caught me completely off guard. I can't describe how it made me feel, but my face was beaming throughout the whole outro. First because you pulled off the run, then because of the awesome things you said. I wouldn't have started playing this category if it wasn't for you showing how fun it is (plus NERF of course!)

[@thebobbyllama6410]

I can't believe how easy you make Nightmare look with just the keyboard. Excellent work, dude!

[@DuckReconMajor]

just subbed, thanks for shouting Vytaan out decino! watching your video of this now, so far it's very good!

[@ChuckRuledTheWorld]

More Dutch Doom gods please!

[@CircsC]

Keyboard only is how so many of us played back in the day so it's nice to see people play that way. Very cool to beat this map that way on Nightmare and I hope you heal up well and soon.

[@thebobbyllama6410]

@@CircsC Yeah, definitely! I used to be keyboard only too! I remember the mouse sensitivity being super sluggish, and it was just faster to turn with the arrow keys.

[@PeterLawrenceYT]

Absolute legend! 100% Secrets is SO TOUGH on this map!

[@enjoylife6374]

you're a legend!

[@gackmcshite4724]

In awe at the speed of this lad. Absolute unit.

[@niconutz898]

Getting some good Karl Jobst vibes here 😎🔥

[@T3sl4]

@@enjoylife6374 Hello you absolute legends.

[@planet23k]

@@T3sl4 Hello Karl in disguise :D

[@decino]

Vytaan's also doing Doom II on nightmare 100% kills/items/secrets: www.youtube.com/@Vytaan

[@rintakumpu]

Congrats for pulling off that pain elemental secret!

[@leadendeath]

decino speaking gently to a pain elemental as though calling back in a dog from outside… i didn’t know i needed that in my life :’)

[@onepureturtle]

Petition to officially refer that particular Pain Elemental as Tooshie from here on now.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

Now this isn't just a regular playthrough, but a real work of art. Well done! So, what can we say about this level... Beside the infamous Pain Elemental secret, this map is also known for receiving one very peculiar change in Doom 2's first update (ver 1.7) - one zombieman was removed from the northern half of the map (he was located very close to Decino's position in 2:40). No one knows why. But I suppose this counts as a good thing when playing on Nightmare.

[@junkolover9518]

Jeffrey Zombiestein didn't remove himself.

[@DreamSphinxGaming]

That zombieman had a kill count of over 8,600 Doomguys, and was removed from the game for being overpowered.

[@TheRogueWolf]

Zombieman #18: "Look, I know this is Hell and we're evil, but this place is just too wicked even for me. Can I get a transfer to 'O of Destruction'?"

[@Lvl31Gardevoir]

@@TheRogueWolf This give me a laugh! I always loved the idea of video game characters as workers at a job and the killing and being killed is just a show.

[@daniel8chang]

I was howling listening to Decino beckoning the Pain Elemental - “C’mere,” “Come,” “Please,” et cetera 🤣

[@tacticaljunk1608]

Pre-firing the BFG to kill the Baron and then walking in to the Pain Elemental to stop the Lost Souls from spawning was pure art.

[@pepperonipizzapiepeephole]

It's absolutely insane that you completed this on nightmare AND got the broken secret. Congrats dude, this was awesome to see.

[@Skelly57]

Getting 100% secrets on Nightmare with the pain elemental is insane, nice job!

[@Benji2914]

Decino is truly going on a tear with this challenge. This is historic.

[@eduardodiaz9942]

You know a map is hard when the partial invisibility is actually a powerup

[@BigMacDavis]

Awesome shoutouts to Peter and Vytaan. They both deserve more subs! But you cannot tell me, you just cannot tell me, Trollmero didn't intend the final secret that way. No one can convince me otherwise. I will remain willfully ignorant, if need be. Muhahaha.

[@RammsteinAM]

7:10 Agree, on Nightmare Supercharge feels like a Medikit.

[@iguana9173]

I agree with you on that.

[@iguana9173]

I’m not surprised that it took that many attempts. Excellent job decino. Especially with the pain elemental secret.

[@Blufferb00r]

One of the best Doom 2 maps, and 2:21 is the most iconic solo from every Midi in this game, love it!

[@ji604]

The Call of Ktulu (Metallica) influence is a great chord progression to solo over 🤘

[@klaesregis7487]

Just leaving this one here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4fRZ3Zsqs55pZI

[@Blufferb00r]

@@ji604 It's Hangar 18 dude, not Ktulu.

[@ji604]

​​​@@Blufferb00r I see it now. Deleted my stupidly long reply about music theory and Dave Mustaine and I realized my mistake in attributing the "influence" to Call of Ktulu. All I meant to say was I agree with the music being good and share how the chords lend themselves well to solos. My bad. Shoulda just cut out the first half of my original comment 😂 thanks for the correction.

[@Flyxolydian]

Best DOOM II map... Not surprised that you had trouble with it given how many hitscanners there are!

[@TarosTheVoid]

I always find Dead Simple to O of Destruction being my favorite stretch of Doom 2 levels Tricks and Traps is one of my favorites in Doom 2 fully

[@Flyxolydian]

@@TarosTheVoid Interesting take that, usually people dismiss The Pit and Refueling Base, but they're both really good maps.

[@TarosTheVoid]

@@Flyxolydian I think the Pit is one of my lesser favorites, but it is carried by that midi but I do fondly enjoy Map07-09 I think it overcomplicates it's layout for me, over time I might lighten up to it I forget refueling base tbh, O of Destruction is probably top 3 Doom maps for me Edit: I do remember Refueling Base, I think the combat in that map is very meaty but I don't like that cyberdemon part, pretty nasty for me (I don't know how to get the secret invuln tbh)

[@yawg691]

O of destruction, this map, suburbs, and monster condo were always maps I liked

[@Flyxolydian]

@@yawg691 Suburbs is another brilliant shout... dawn of the Slaughtermap that one.

[@trobe23z]

Well done sir! You've inspired me to start tackling my own Doom challenges.

[@AirHam]

I bet it takes a lot of discipline to have to re-give this level of commentary on a map that takes so many attempts. I'd get hella cranky after 1 or 2.

[@drewpace6460]

The timing on that pre-fire by the BFG monster closet was immaculate. Very satisfying to watch.

[@xTerminatorAndy]

Thank you Decino for another stunning video. The thing that makes my teeth itch, though, is that, although you have an enemy kill count that is higher than the number of enemies, you don't actually have 100% of all of the monsters killed, as some of them are counted more than once due to respawns. I don't think it's possible for doom to count the number of monsters killed that were placed by the map maker?

[@decino]

It cannot. Respawned enemies are "new" so they count as extra kills.

[@TarosTheVoid]

I do like Industrial Zone within the city levels (which unfortunately the part where I drop Doom 2 bc it's draggy and didn't date well) maybe it's the layout and Running from Evil being reused in this Map (I heard the latter third is worse but I didn't get that far, I must put myself to complete Doom 2 fully someday) Good luck with the second half and secret levels Decino

[@DoomBoi-]

Looks pretty hard

[@Ordon_]

OUCH

[@GeneralPotatoSalad]

Decino (or Doomguy) lives in a strange world where a giant flying head that spits fireballs might or might *not* "do something weird".

[@scottl.1568]

@8:35 -- As referenced in "Explosions 💥", there is no vertical limit for rocket splash damage! Also remember that explosions are square shaped in the Doom World, NOT spherical or even cylindrical.

[@w.a.a.m]

Zero Master hace ver fácil este mapa en pesadilla

[@rankoinazuma6788]

Histcan enemies and open areas is always a deadly combination, no doubt

[@atomsk01]

Man that level was totally "death of 1000 cuts"

[@AffenKloPutzer]

I was always in awe of your Doom skill in general but going for the Pain Elemental secret in a Nightmare run straight up left me speechless

[@GeminionRay]

This came out much faster than I expected, and with an incredibly smooth run to boot! Also I never expected to learn a few more things I didn't know in a single vid (0:22, 2:55, 6:32). Really nice to have this to watch at the end of day.

[@sethcoleman8223]

I've never understood how any broken secrets made it through into the finished products? Did nobody go for 100% before publishing? Makes zero sense.

[@scottl.1568]

New rule: Decino plays through nightmare from now on using this mod: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaTMgamvnpqcadk

[@filip000]

Completely agree with you that there's ZERO chance that this secret was deliberate. I love John Romero, but nope. That secret being screwed up was a fluke. A mistake. Not even for a moment do i believe it was intentional. That is just ridiculous.

[@frozenbean]

Wow, huge props for going for the broken secret too, even after all those tomatoes respawned.

[@scottl.1568]

Id software released a game with a broken secret and broken RNG?

[@eljaminlatour6633]

Delinquent despite being your enemy, he helped you find the last secret.

[@lsb2623]

I'm a dirty boy.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

Soap: "Am I a joke to you?" :D

[@scottl.1568]

I'll be glad when he speeds through Doom 2 so he can finally play through Doom 3 on the hardest difficulty using only the Flashlight and the Soul Cube

[@A_Lazy_Mutt]

The way decino sounds increasingly tense and desperate as he sets up the broken secret has to be one of the best moments on this channel

[@TheRealNormanBates]

10:35 sooo why do you need the Pain Elemental to achieve that last secret?

[@SimonBuchanNz]

He has a full video on these broken secrets somewhere, but iirc the basic version is the teleporter itself is marked as a secret, but normal movement will teleport you before tagging the secret. The pain elemental can spawn lost souls inside you causing you to be "bounced", which doesn't check for the teleport, or something along those lines.

[@OmegaTyrant]

I hate this map so much, easily Romero's worst map in my view, hopefully having to listen to D_RUNNIN on repeat for that long wasn't too much torture to your ears.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

14:08 - Congrats, you are one of the very few KZbinrs who pronounce "Wolfenstein" correctly :)

[@1pcfred]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZLQd2lqfKuDsMk

[@XzMondayNightzX]

Ah yes the map that requires the pain elementals blessing.

[@scottl.1568]

Would it have killed the developers to make this look more like Earth?

[@N.A.69]

HE DID THE PAIN ELEMENTAL SECRET

[@iguana9173]

I wasn’t expecting him to do that at all.

[@linusgustafsson2629]

This one, like many other maps, just gets better with multiplayer to get your daily cyber demon.

[@ElderDragonBrasil]

Industrial Zone is a very difficult map in Nightmare, but it is one that I most like in Doom 2. I love exploration. Another thing, I don't know if you could help me, Decino. I am doing in my channel a basic course for Ultima Doombuilder in portuguese, to help many brazilians doomers start to do theim own maps. We have many brazilians enthusiats of the game, but we don't have much content in our language teaching how to mapping, so I am doing this. Thanks for the epic content, bro!

[@Balla_Bo]

This map is the humble Zombieman’s time to shine 😌

[@d3ad160]

I never knew about this secret 3:26

[@dt2phillips]

You nailed that tricky jump the first time in your successful run! 👍👏

[@sirkredrum3406]

I played the 4 original wads on UV co-op not too long ago. The added cyber demon on a pistol start could make this even more insane.

[@alexandersmith6140]

Curious as to why you didn't just hug the right wall when you dropped down at 1:26. I've always managed to land on the mezzanine halfway down and then jump to get the secret the first time through, without having to backtrack for a second drop.

[@decino]

Only possible on GZDoom. No air control in vanilla Doom unless shot by the Shotgunner below you.

[@plankera]

“What have I started?” You haven’t even gotten to Final Doom yet. Great job on the run by the way, this map shows how much of a pain those meatballs all.

[@jothain]

Wait, no. You're joking right? That would seem pretty much insane. Ok, tbh I haven't played them through, not even near, but what I have, aren't those maps essentially impossible on nightmare iirc? Tons of hitscanners and very little powerups...

[@plankera]

@@jothain I’m saying it in hope that he does it.

[@maltardraco9555]

Number 5 was so tragic.

[@distortomanipulo]

Awesome, i've been picking back up the doom wads I was working on a few years back.

[@namcojr]

Yay

[@adinocc2042]

I hate to admit it, but I really don't like this map. I don't play DOOM as well as you do, so I usually skip over it.

[@riba2233]

just git gud

[@Nob1ej0n]

You are a mad lad! Going for 100% secrets on Nightmare. My goodness, what a run!

[@the_kovic]

I did not expect you to bother with the bugged secret

[@Jhonnywmr]

Man this was so stressful to watch

[@kassandraalvarado8609]

One of my favorite levels in Doom II (despite hit scanner hell) It's great to see you play it in Nightmare!

[@ahammonds07]

Noice

[@DrAce46]

That is absolutely ridiculous mate, you're speed and accuracy through this was unreal. Awesome Decino!

[@Grindiskhan]

WOW! You will always find a way how to amaze us. Good job :D

[@enjoylife6374]

18:26 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 sad moment 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Skelly57]

4:41 did that rocket not gib that zombieman? crazy

[@x1teDota]

Interesting. I think the player being so close to the enemy must have blocked the extra splash damage.

[@Skelly57]

@@x1teDota alright I consulted the holy texts (decino's gibs video), turns out rockets do just have a low chance of not gibbing a zombieman

[@dmnsonic]

Jeeezzzzzzzz you made the Most stupid Secret in the game!!! On Nightmare!!!! Now Doom God has a name, Decino.

[@x1teDota]

This was a real treat. Amazing, amazing gameplay. I could feel the tension waiting for that pain elemental!

[@pannomic1818]

Knowing a bit of Romero you can tell is a joke, probably he was laughing at everyone that believed him lol Amazing game dude, I can't believe you went for Pain Elemental Secret man.

[@januszkomin3490]

Damn, so much trouble for an intended secret But for real, absolutely insane run, i doubted anyone other than Zero Master could've pulled this secret off on Nightmare but here we are. Good job pumpkin man!

[@marcsm2008]

I LOVE this map. Shame the PS1 version of Doom 2 actually cut this map out...

[@Punk93Metal]

One of my favorite DOOM II levels although the secrets could’ve been laid out better

[@nathanbeets8229]

Romero: "It's a....feature! Yeah! Totally intentional. *cough*" Jokes aside, love this map. Bravo.

[@tornado100able]

I believe this secret is in fact intentional only because there's a similar one on TNT. And not by coincidence, there are two pain elementals in the room...

[@decino]

Nope. They map makers messed up.

[@tornado100able]

@@decino Even on TNT? So it's kinda funny how they always put pain elementals nearby when there's a broken secret lol

[@decino]

Not always. The one in E4M7 has the same problem and has no PEs.

[@tornado100able]

@@decino Yeah, no excuses for that one 😅

[@TheBrassDancer]

Amazing run! Main positives to consider are that thank goodness there are no pinkies or archies around. That last secret is definitely a mistake though, and of course Romero was joking about using the Pain Elemental as an “intended” way.

[@dasnurk]

Me, used to the 5 to 10 mins videos from Decino, clicking on the thumbnail: "Aight" Decino: Here is a 19 mins video. ME: "GYATTDAYUM!!!"

[@coldcross5515]

Nightmare looks hard on pistol start but UVMAX has a god damn Cyberdemon in the open area, making it a walking hazard since just a shotgun won't work

[@Samael_Monasteriis]

Level 22 Catacombs on Nightmare... 😰 I feel sorry for everybody that attempts it... It really is a catacomb... decino can do it though, no sweat 😅

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Darn, even that forced secret. Moving at the speed of death, as always, Doomguy/decino! And hey, better John Romero the liar than Randy Pitchfork and Peter Molyneux the uber-liars. 18:32: Look at the upper-right corner, folks. Plot, it returneth: *"Congratulations, you've found the secret level! Looks like it's been built by humans, rather than demons. You wonder who the inmates of this corner of Hell will be."*

[@dkfrumwithin]

It’s a hard task but somehow you’ve raised the bar!

[@RevolverRez]

Doing this on nightmare is hard enough, but getting that stupid [COMPLETELY INTENTIONAL] secret too is nuts. I don't know how guys like you and Vytaan do it.

[@dinitroacetylen]

So ducino believes Romero's story about the origins of the Nightmare difficulty, but not the story about the intended solution to the skullspitter secret? Bias much?

[@1987nightrap]

Im not even watching these to learn how to do nightmare better, I just like watching decino beat these

[@kennethchia4194]

Immediate thought: "100% secrets doesn't include the pain elemental trick, does it?" Then I proceed to watch decino attempting the pain elemental trick. EDIT: Then we hear "Please ... please" and we realize how many times you tried this before it finally worked, LOL.

[@igoros]

Now i'm expecting 100% of everything and make history on dead zone, map 15 from tnt evilution.

[@zenammu]

decino woke up that day and said "I'm going to make my life as difficult as possible today!". Congrats on 100% secrets, you maniac...

[@Mr.Manta5988]

How do I open the level exit that you used? I'm stuck on this fucking level since yesterday and even with your playthrough video I'm confused. Edit: Nevermind, I finally got it

[@ChristesII]

Truly, John Romero's genius cannot be grasped by mere mortals.

[@andyl8055]

So hard…. Every time you’re in the open you’re just being pecked to death. Very well done completing that.

[@bobshop]

Hey decino..... you know John Romero (didnt) intend the pain elemental secret :-D

[@YeenMage]

You said: Kill some of these imps. However, my brain misheard it as "kill some of these pimps" lol And when you said "Cacodemon's not here." You reminded me of the scene in Home Alone 2 where the McCallister family just realized that Kevin is not with them. "Kevin's not here" reference. Damn my brain. xD

[@pazely9919]

Romero's nightmarish and completely deliberate pain elemental secret strikes again

[@nelr3529]

Wasn't feeling good waiting 24h for an 8 min vid. Good that today we have 19 to enjoy. Love you decino

[@nelr3529]

Baited 💀

[@not_creative_with_username3834]

Even the goddamn pain elemental secret? on nightmare? WOW! i'm amazed. Decino truly is a man of focus, commitment and sheer fuckin' will.

[@nathanlamont9920]

Can't wait for you to beat The Living End. During my 100% fast monsters + Pistol start playthrough I gave up at that point.

[@reptongeek]

I've never fully completed this level, because I find collecting the secrets really hard - not just the infamous sector 147

[@smiffwilm]

"He was launching Lost Souls instead of spawning them inside me..." Phrasing.

[@Olek54321]

this map is ridiculous, my God what a heck! Total chaos and carnage by hitscanners :O Congratulations! Final secret was so nerve-wracking wow

[@TheKalZul]

John was too busy being a rockstar to proof his secret, for sure! Cannot wait for the Wolfenstein levels! Should be fairly easy.... though maybe hard because of abusive hitscan.

[@jamison8929]

great job! I replayed this level on UV not too long ago and it's a tough level in general. lots of chip damage plus those random traps like the hell knight in the pit. funny when you're luring the pain elemental like it's a pet. "here boy!"