DEEP ARCHIMEDEA | Everything you NEED to know | Warframe

[@elise-3198]

Update: with today's Hotfix, loadouts rotate weekly instead of daily

[@zbeatza9910]

That bug made DA balanced, by being able to roll bad gear. All of the sudden everyone including me hate it because of bad weapons.

[@noseriouslyimserious4073]

@@zbeatza9910yeah this week and last week my loadouts have been fucking irredeemably awful.

[@zbeatza9910]

@@noseriouslyimserious4073 this week i was reluctant to play but had good rolls and the gamemode was fun, somehow it's better when you have good weapons that you heavily invested. 1st week of DA missions are the same as 3rd, i expect alchemy/mirror/fragmented next week.

[@EddieJBC]

Just wanna note we're still not 100% sure on whether the loadout (warframe and wepaons) resetting daily is intended or not. Patch notes say they change at weekly reset. So, either it's a bug and unintended or it is intended and the patch notes are just wrong. Update: New hotfix confirmed it was a bug and fixed it, loadout resets weekly, not daily.

[@adrin181]

needs to be pinned!

[@robotic-race]

Nice so instead of being fucked for a day i can be fucked for a week!

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

>...That's ACTUALLY horrid. Oh you rolled bad on the week? Get fucked.

[@jag1460]

Pin this and that sucks it would've been a change of pace for the less skilled to have a lucky shot.

[@breadaholic6445]

@@jag1460honestly stuff like this and incarnon rotations should be daily rotations, kinda dumb for it to be otherwise

[@andresperez8658]

1 friend? Thats asking too much.

[@Gabensrightnut]

dude i dont even have 0 friends thats how lonely i am

[@KirillT14]

That's at least 2 too many.

[@acey8274]

Yeah none of my friends play warframe 😅

[@Meli_Cruul]

My friend is myself, why isn’t that enough DE? Am I not enough? 😭

[@Ali_ReBORN]

Join a clan brothers! Friends galore! Don’t be shy to talk to new folks! Warframe has a great community!

[@EzrickEurora]

One thing to note is summons are not disabled like normal netracells. so you can have your on call crew come and annihilate everything including the demolist

[@Culaio]

I never really used any of summons for stuff like this, do you need any specific type of summon ?

[@Wonejo.]

​@@Culaiono, but it is advised to use either the strongest specter or the best stats on call crew you have, or both (if it possible, i dont really know)

[@prestoncarter4096]

@culaio on crew summons probably one of the best summons as its the second summon after wukongs clone that can have yur equipped weapons with mods included.

[@Warlord97.]

Kahl of Duty!

[@Aj_-]

A level 5 combat crew guy doesn't give a single fuck when it comes to enemies. Doesn't matter what enemy 😂

[@BlueLightningHawk]

3:49 Feels weird that the best of these 3 warframes is Hydroid now, lol. Man, the times have changed.

[@Shioumenato]

It really depends on what you mean by best, loki and Chroma do their job Fine

[@Joe90h]

I had Hydroid as one of my first picks, but it's a shield gate setup which did really badly in Deep Archimedea. Swapped to Voruna, had a much better time. Honestly, that's on me for setting him up wrong, and I'm genuinely going to go back and reconsider some modding choices to get everything I can reasonably afford to up to Deep Archimedea's standards (Better energy economy and health pools rather than gating)

[@InsertSomethingStupid2002]

​@Shioumenato, but hydroid is way better than both of them.

[@Dullerrope31]

Literal three eras. It's insane.

[@yautjamerk9159]

@@InsertSomethingStupid2002 Depends what you're aiming for. Loki is a great weapon platform, fast as hell, safe as you can be. You solo netracells in under 7 minutes with him if you have some parkour skills and some luck on the drone spawns / kill room. I don't think Hydroid does that 😉

[@MonkeezOnFire]

I thought the random loadout selection for Duviri was a cool change up to normal content, and an homage to rogue likes. But I really hope that going forward that randomized loadouts don't become the standard for end game content. I put a lot of investment into the equipment that I like to use, and I would be able to use that investment for the harder content.

[@330DKNY]

This think it mostly for money, now you need to buy multiple slots so that you can do content.

[@TehCakeIzALie1]

@@Squeekysquid I think by just making most frames' abilities just absolute dogshit they've done a pretty good job balancing the majority of them.

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

Yeah ngl the random frames for this are an immediate turn off for me. This content would be better off without this.

[@GoneAngel]

​@@scorpiowarrior7841Just turn that modifier off. You're only losing 50 vosfor for it and you're only forced to use it twice at most.

[@MageSkeleton]

@@Squeekysquid in my opinion, DE should focus on revamping the entire system so CC effects effect nullifier bubbles, are not disable-able, and effect enemies regardless of special shields or conditions. While DPS abilities ONLY effect enemies stripped of "Overguard" or do less damage. DE really made a problem for themselves by making DPS king.

[@DaHaymaker]

DE's staunch refusal to put in any kind of re-roll mechanic for the equipment selections in game modes like Duviri and Deep Achemedia while at the same time having them be easily circumvented is confounding to me.

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

At least duivri you can force a reroll by doing a little bit of duviri itself if you're looking for circit frames, and in addition it has the benefit of basic builds being able to function if you get okay degree rolls. Deep arcamedian on the other hand just says "hey remeber that R0 frame you've left sitting in your inventory because you bought a prime access and forgot about it? Yeah use that against the highest base enemy levels in the game with even more difficulty mods applied. Oh what's that? It can't even survive for that? Tough shit, come back next week." Duviri ALSO let you get frames you didn't have, but you'd get some manner of builds for them. This? If you roll a frame or weapon you don't have, you get fucked. I rolled limbo. I don't HAVE limbo because I don't really chase MR. Other options are Vauban which has 5 forma and would suffer lmao and a R17 zephyr I couldn't be asked to finish leveling....WHY.

[@skylershuman7705]

I think it makes sense. You can't re-roll, so you should be able to backpack a teammate to cheese. If they forced you to the load outs, they could allow you 2 free re-rolls and then 3-5 cost re-rolls (resources, not plat) and eliminate any cheese or suffering

[@sleihbeggey1992]

DE: we've added some cool new stuff we hope you use DE after 5 days: we didn't actually want you using anything new we will be nerfing immediately and heavily. Go back to afking lvl cap with Revenant and Octavia.

[@Joe90h]

Sssh don't remind them Octavia exists. She's extremely "disruptive" to the game because she gives squad invisibility, armour, damage, multishot, jump, and attack speed while shutting off enemy AI.

[@Ravenna_Black]

Love my Octavia

[@thechiliman500]

Yeah and still 0 people play her cuz she is about as fun as licking a tv@@Joe90h

[@OrangeCreamsicle]

@@Joe90h she doesn't "give the squad" those things, she gives the squad the *option* for those things, I think people forget how annoying metronome is to use. In addition to that I'm pretty sure either rebbecca or pablo have stated that they know how strong octavia is but also how mind numblingly boring she is to use(unless your actually a ddr god and use metronome effectively)

[@Joe90h]

@@OrangeCreamsicle It was a joke about DE's justification for nerfing Dante. And you can't spam crouch once every twenty seconds or so? And she does 'just give' the armour and the damage. The armour is just given by Metronome with no need to activate, and her Amp increases damage based on sound levels and I know a good number of us go loud.

[@KumaBones]

I just want to comment on how much I still like your intro music. It always gets me in a good mood whenever I hear it.

[@RobertMichael]

allllllllriiight

[@KumaBones]

@@RobertMichael yeah exactly lol

[@SaiKisaragi]

⁠@@RobertMichaelit’s very funny that I know of two white people that have a tag line that starts with “alllllright” :)

[@canolathra6865]

If DR wants to remove the ability to cheese archemedia with a friend, they need to buff all weapons and frames to the point of being at least theoretically capable of completing those missions.

[@Hyperiumon]

It's endgame type stuff, de already said they ain't balancing gear towards it/around it. Besides if you can do netracells comfortable then you should be find. Plenty of gear and frames can cheese this.

[@DawnAfternoon]

You have one free card to do so. The final tier is a filler reward. You only need the second last tier for the best reward. Take any one frame, or any one weapon you want. And if that's not enough support Specters and On Crew can always help.

[@bls4650]

@@DawnAfternoonactually no, if you want max rewards you need to use every card so you can unlock the Elite version. That gives you access to more reward tiers

[@Hyperiumon]

@DawnAfternoon a ancient spector van give you insane dr along with the drone one plus there are a couple of spectors that are pretty busted for a ai companion so it should help out insanely.

[@DawnAfternoon]

@@bls4650 Oh I was talking about the Elite Version, the normal version yes you need to do it with full modifiers, but you only need to do normal archimedia once with full modifiers to unlock elite archimedia anyway.

[@_dobs]

I really wish they would entirely drop the concept of forcing players to use random weapons and warframes. It's almost like this iteration, where you can safely opt-out of one of the choices, is them acknowledging that it's unpopular with parts of the playerbase but someone(Mr Nullifier and Archon DR) has a massive hard-on for it and won't let it go. I would like to set the difficulty myself by having four more negatives in place of the weapon and frame choices.

[@awrebyawe]

i disagree, this is end-game content for people that have done everything and have upgrade mats sitting around gathering dust.

[@_dobs]

@@awrebyawe That's fine, you can disagree. My view is that I want to tailor my end-game content, not have a choice forced on me. You can't polish a turd, as is pointed out in the video, you are going to end up with choices that cannot manage high end content no matter how many resources you throw at them.

[@maskettaman1488]

@@awrebyaweThat has nothing to do with it. Fact is most of the frames in Warframe suck and most of the weapons suck. There's simply too much fodder to make purely random frame/weapon selections work. No one is going to go and put 5 forma in an absolute trash weapon to have a better chance of doing this content once this week.. they're just not going to do the content.

[@CH3353N1NJ45]

​@@_dobs Or just stop hugging the meta

[@electrospaghetti8388]

Agreed! One of my favorite game modes in another game was one where you were given about 25 different negatives and you picked as many of them as you thought you could get away with. The rewards capped out at about 12 negatives, so you weren't forced to take every single one and could actually tailor your difficulty, and pushing for max difficulty was reserved for the more competitive players who actually wanted omega-hard content (and this allowed for max difficulty to be balanced around the best players, because the average player who would find it unreasonably hard wasn't forced to play it).

[@redlord4321]

like the random gear was okay with duviri because we got decrees to boost up so any weakness you had you could fix up. with how much e waste weapons we have in game this should be five options per slot.

[@Dmassimini7]

Someone is going to need to make a comprehensive 0-1 Forma Deep Archemedia build guide for every frame and weapon now 😂

[@CH3353N1NJ45]

Zephyr with Pillage over her 3

[@Metal_Sign-Friday_Patchouli]

The guide is run pub and hope to get carried.

[@Dmassimini7]

@@Metal_Sign-Friday_Patchouli lol. I did that last night with a half decent nezha prime build, vectis prime, twin kohmak, and reaper prime that i actually felt good about and i ended up having to be the one to carry and then everyone left once they died, host migrated and i died after host migration before i could quit and lost 2 netracell runs.

[@jormungandr4690]

The cheapest would be a variation of zombie rev build. Some really tanky frame with 2 green shards CP and decent status weapon moded for corossive

[@anthonychase6906]

More like pillage over her 1 wth. Her 3 is very strong. @@CH3353N1NJ45

[@laytendurda]

Wish they would get more creative with "difficulty" than limiting our use of our own hard-earned arsenals... Again.... At a certain point, DE need to realize most people will only ever have enough time to really invest in a handful of loadouts and stop forcing us to go acquire and invest in gear we dont want just to participate in relevant content. This just perpetuates ability spam hyper-carry meta even further DE: Do you want us to play the new stuff or spend our time in this game chasing MR??

[@tonysmith9905]

I 100% promise you that if you were allowed what ever gear you wanted then the people would be crying "where's my end game content?"

[@VoidWanderer92]

What's more difficult than not having access to your portable war crimes? /s

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

@@tonysmith9905 People already are. What's the difference?

[@frodoadventure1]

If you only have a "handful" of loadouts, then they were not "hard earned". The game is set up as a toolbox--you need more tools.

[@ClamChowder95]

​@@tonysmith9905 valid, but I among many others don't really care what they think.

[@azazelashbight9849]

I hope there's internal discussion on these nerfs and with how DE has been running since the shift I thing there's a good chance of that

[@Dedalus94]

Don't forget you can use Khal & crew, specters, archguns, and your railjack crewmate (who can have whatever gun you want)

[@enok7934]

Disappointing they can't try something new with these "end game" weeklies. Its just missions with a randomized loadout to make it harder and a convoluted interface. What are these devs smoking.

[@Seven7swords]

My first Elite Archimedia had Stug, tysis, cetra, snipetron, veldt, javlok, dark split sword, dual ether, and ether reaper. Yeah, not gonna bother until tomorrow.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

My sympathies man

[@ohboiipedersen3010]

mhm you can use summons with good weapons or call in your arch gun if thats decent and ofc just have others kill for you if you join public o: hopefully you had decent frame choices

[@Seven7swords]

​@@ohboiipedersen3010I had Dagath, Limbo and Loki. I tried Cataclysm Limbo but my weapon DPS could not burst down the Blitz Eximus Voidrig necromech. Then I tried Dagath but the energy drain from enemies was too much with having to be 15 meters in just to hurt them. I didnt think to do Safeguard Switch Loki but again, being invulnerable is cool but how am I going to burn down two demolish necromechs with a Stug? LoL. Rng hates me.

[@noeltan3596]

I got lucky and took inaros so I basically couldn’t die. Weapon selection was kind of poor so pub teammates carried me.

[@tonysmith9905]

There is no waiting for tomorrow. Load outs change once a week and the bug was fixed in today's hotfix.

[@analogicparadox]

Really wish they sticked to the *guaranteed* legendary arcane like they previously mentioned.

[@DawnAfternoon]

Is it not guaranteed? I got a legendary one from my run.

[@martinseancahill7878]

I got 2, one from main and one from elite

[@bls4650]

It is not. I got 2 melee adapters lol

[@Kasandra_]

You'd rather get an arcane than a tauforged? huh

[@150_asharifadhilaha2]

i got 3 legendary arcanes from this week deep and elite archimedea. yep, it definitely guaranteed

[@atticlion7648]

Needing to tic every single damn box in order to unlock the elite version is rough. I had a way harder time doing the normal archimedea just because my selection of gear was so shitty I needed a carry in order to get through it. Thankfully I never have to do it again, because leeching for an hour waiting on pubs to JUST DO THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE was one of the least fun things I have ever done in warframe in the past 10 years.

[@WhatWillYouFind]

I did a full run to unlock Elite with NERFED Dante before his hotfix to address the LOS changes. Easier than Netracell. It's not actually difficult for end game accounts. Brozime is partially right about the friend thing, if you get a support frame, it's FREE.

[@atticlion7648]

@@WhatWillYouFind I'm LR1 and have over 2k hours of mission time. My frame selection was my unpotatoed Lavos, Wukong, and fucking LIMBO. The highlights of my weapon selection were the sybaris and the god damn STUG.

[@xnbk-yotiex5247]

DE- we just going to tweak Dante… after one week. DE- off with Dante’s head after one week!

[@Seven7swords]

LoL. That is a bit of an overreaction. Dante still blows up steel path maps with no concern for life.

[@Dac85]

Your idea for a Draft mode is so good, btw. That would be awesome.

[@Goodheartless]

Rip to Dante. Hoping they look at him again

[@BlueLightningHawk]

"Let's take another look at Dante... It looks like he is somewhat viable still... time for another nerf." -DE

[@omega9077]

He still cooks

[@kylorevren8655]

He is still awesome, KZbinrs are completely overreacting.

[@Hero565]

I’m still using him… the nerf means absolutely nothing outside of the strange interaction with LoS He still nukes, he still gives consistent Overguard, he is still FUNCTIONAL…

[@shakeemsymonds7362]

Still pushing 50k overguard and his 3 still goes through walls... far from useless just not nuking through walls with his tragedy anymore and birds are fixed.

[@FireCamp105]

okay, but can we just take a moment to appreciate how the login screen music fuckin slaps ?

[@shadyray]

I would rather it be level cap missions that allow me to run what i want than this

[@-n-k-]

The loadout modifiers resetting each day at 00:00 UTC is a bug. They should stay the same for the entire week (from the 35.5 patch notes: "Loadout parameters reset weekly Monday at 0:00 UTC."). Edit: this has been fixed in today's hotfix.

[@Rj-vr9uc]

Wait, so now the frames/weapons only reset once a week, along with everything else?

[@-n-k-]

@@Rj-vr9ucYes, that was always the intended behavior.

[@Ravenna_Black]

I don't love this move into forcing random weapons and frame usage to get stuff. I don't want to be told how to play the game especially when it's forcing garbage weapons I would never attach forma too. Like I guess this is cool if you're a stranger with everything but Warframe isn't my job.

[@pixeltorchic1961]

Hey I have a question that I didn't quite understand from the video.... Is it like the circuit where you can get the higher rewards over a couple of different runs or do you NEED to have everything checked and do it in a single run?

[@DeeJay5K]

The latter

[@Skynet_15]

So glad I got to experience him. Though now I want a refund for the Dante pack I bought I was expecting a usable frame and they completely fucking removed that.

[@-Invncible]

Same I bought the pack and I formad him 6 times I also formad nezha 5 times

[@avalokiteshvara113]

This is why I wait. But yeah I agree they should refund the plat lol

[@Seven7swords]

Dude, Dante still wrecks. The patched drop and the same day I did a 2 hour steel path cascade fissure solo with him. I don't believe he deserved a nerf but the nerf did nothing except make his energy cost go up and add a LoS check. His overguard cap remains the same, he gets more overguard per kill, and he still screws up Rage/Hunter Andrenaline like he did before. His ghost book even got a buff. I get being upset about the buggy mess of line of sight checks on his nuke but that is getting fixed. He still has double gate with overguard and shield, he can protect his own overshields, and he still nukes. Cast 4 in the air to stop LoS from screwing you.

[@kartemp]

This game mode seems like it has potential, but needed more time in the oven imo. Over-reliance on mission based Player side nerfs (limiting our loadouts) has somehow become standard and that is really bad for the game's overall health. "Endgame" is no longer fun when they can RNG away any hope of it being done reliably, and just feels like they are taking away the toys they make us grind so hard to play with... Really wish they would recognize that Warframe is the most fun when we are allowed to feel somewhat powerful.

[@tonysmith9905]

Any one with a brain knew this wasn't going to be "end game" content. It's a challenge game mode for better gear that you do once or twice a week. Real end game content is some thing you'd spend a lot of time in DAILY.

[@skylershuman7705]

I don't quite understand why you should do these? Most rewards aren't tradeable, and realistically you'll want to already have the majority of the rewards for most frames just to make it reliable to complete.

[@brandonmarsh7557]

I think the randomized load out should get added damage like Archon hunt/Arbitrations

[@deejayf69]

1 friend. the bar is indeed set very high.

[@SUSeARC]

My main disappointment with the game (outside of whats said here) is the mission loading between gamemodes was kinda sad to see. I was thinking after one mode was completed it would just switch to the new game mode like lotus saying ," change of plans" then turns it into a exterminate. Also it mskes stacking arcanes less attractive with them being reset.

[@fullblastok]

I hope this isn't called endgame. Being forced to use random loadout ? That's a circuit run with modifiers just in a different location. I rather run 5 netracells so far. And what am I supposed to do with 50 vosfor at the end? 5 netracells a week is fine with me than this thing.

[@esaigonzalez8157]

You know the new game mode sucks when it is a legitimate thought players are having of deleting gear they don't use / is subpar to skew the random selection of gear.

[@khaozcat]

They need to add loaner builds like in duviri. Im LR4 and got a lot of weapons with proper builds, but i still managed to get 3 secondaries that i cant even fit 2 mods into. I cant imagine how this plays if you have been selling your frames and weapons that you mastered. Just allow me to click on the weapon in the setup menu and get it with at least a basic build for the missions. The solution of making it daily is dumb since not everyone wants to check their gear every day. DE out here basically made a gear check worse than profit taker or eidolons except you have no idea what to prepare for and are punished for not owning all the 700+ items and having them built for high level content. The restriction on warframes is ok. Most frames are capable of doing fine, there really arent any abysmal choices, but if you get something you dont own or didnt invest into well tough luck

[@tonysmith9905]

That wasn't the "solution". The gear loadouts are supposed to change once a week, not per day. It's supposedly been fixed in today's hot fix.

[@ek9750]

as someone who sells his mr fodder weapons i fucking hate these loadout restrictions

[@knicklichtjedi]

The best part about the EDAs I experienced was the double Demolisher! It was a lot more engaging as you need up to two people per conduit!

[@yotuel9064]

Great news, i though I missed elite archimedea in the first run and you just confirmed my lack of blindness.

[@TheNumbersPerson]

I think the ability to carry swap is nice, since that allows SOME way to get it done at max tier if you end up in a position where you have nothing good. My best melee weapon yesterday was the dragon nikana which I didn't even have built, followed by the Shaku. While that might have been only my melee that was screwed, the fact that I'm only able to play on weekends some weeks means there's a much lower chance for me to let the day reroll for ME to get something usable, and a much higher chance that one week I'll just end up in a position where my WHOLE KIT is junk for the murmur missions.

[@kelechi321]

Yup you correctly described the "easy mode" path to Elite DArch (EDA). I think it is a clan event that just needs 1 friend to carry. I had decent roll of frames (Saryn is who I used) but I got matched with a Hilydrin, Dante AND a Wisp. The Hilydrin was doing it EDA a second time and came equipped to carry and boy did they carry. So yeah I will doing this as a clan event. Which actually is cool. It gives me and my clan mates an event to actually plan around.

[@Collisto2435]

Glad to hear the frames and weapons reset daily, because I got utterly screwed today.

[@iitzDoom]

that was apparently a bug and was fixed in todays hotfix, they reset weekly.

[@James-kv3ll]

So you’re saying I gotta grind, to unlock a new form of grinding, to get things to grind with. Classic Warframe

[@MageSkeleton]

I would like to see DE open it up to being five or seven options of each thing to make it feel different from the Diviri content. We're not talking about level 1k enemies, and the missions might touch level 500 but that's still very do-able versus having to prepare for 2k enemies or higher level. After having done the Deep Archemedia thing, i thought the way the system worked is there's "tempt points" and "permanent points." As in you check the box's and that's just how far the bar can go for the next session your about to do. And after doing a session, depending on how far the bar could had gone, you now have permanent points. And then the next time you do the session, the more things you check that much further the bar can go allowing you to uncheck things so that next session can be easier for you to do. So ideally, if you meet half the requirements, you should be able to reach the end of the bar in about four sessions. However, i could be completely wrong and i did not play with the different checkbox's to see what the bar would do. From what i'm gathering, the mission is very much "Load into this special hub to talk to Necroloid just to check how do-able your restrictive checkbox's are." Warframe is one of the only games that rewards you for spending time doing things, and if it wasn't free, this would be a total waste of time having to just check what your selection is. Other than that, what's the point of "research points?" Also, this feels like something Cephalon Simaris would be associated with, not Loid nor Loid. i was expecting more Otak. Thank you for reading all this.

[@lordcommissarspartan]

There are the 2 solutions. A Duviri style Pre-Game room with racks of your guns and plinths for your frames Or keep it as it is and allow the friendly carry.... and knowing DE, they'll take the worst of both, locking you to only playing with people who have the same number of options picked, and keeping the number of options as limited as they are.

[@philipm5043]

If you want to make this mode absurdly easy, have everyone bring an on call crew with the healing passive and a kuva zarr and pop them one after another. Air support charges can be used as well.

[@UNGGodYT]

tbh i would prefer if each challenge was a check and not mandatory, you could select as many you want to do in a mission, and after you complete for the day, you can only do the mission in the next day, meaning you could go 1-2 challenge everyday and finish in 4 days, selecting all would be to speed up things and just like with the 60 eyes, a bragging decoration, not mandatory. but we have cheese, so just ask your friend. the bad part of it, is it rewards those who are hoarders with all weapons build, while limit those who cant spend that much PL

[@darkmugetsu6572]

Another new meta is IF you don't have the "NO Gear Wheel" Negative for the week is to build up an arsenal of various syndicate specters, mainly shield osprey and ancient healer, And build Tenno Specters with abilities that can help assist in counteracting the weeks negatives or your bad luck in Warframe choices. Dante Specter, Citrine Specter, Styanax Specter, etc.

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

The fact we even have to consider this is insane.

[@darkmugetsu6572]

@@scorpiowarrior7841 I like it, bringing about creative ways to workaround negatives and a bad loadout for the week. Summon Necramechs, specters, archgun are all alternatives to choose now.

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

@@darkmugetsu6572 Archguns have zero chance against lvl 250+ enemies.

[@darkmugetsu6572]

@@scorpiowarrior7841usually but like stated if your week of weapons is absolute shit, the archguns might be better.

[@proximityclockworkx1572]

I got Ash (and I have a nice build with Smoke Shadow and Wrathful Advance) and the weapons were Tenet Plasmor, Spectra Vandal, and Fragor Prime. Would've been fine if I didn't get the restriction that you need 50 kills to use your abilities. For that, I turned on public. There are just bound to be people around who either have better rolls or just don't care that much. So if you have no friends, try running pubs.

[@TrueLawbringer]

Yeah I carried a crew through the (to be quite frank super unfun) boss fight for this weeks elite arch because I got Oberon + incarnon Lex Prime. It sure did take forever though, best weapon of of the others had was genuinely the dark split sword… I wish DE would stop acting like forcing us to use shit like the stug is supposed to be a gamer challenge and not just cheap difficulty based around their shitty weapon design

[@proximityclockworkx1572]

@@TrueLawbringer I agree. They gotta buff some weapons base stats, because if a weapon got 5% Crit Chance, even a godroll riven won't buff it enough, because rivens can't help you if the base stats are abysmal. Unless you get to pick Saryn, cuz she can have 3 buffs if you add Roar/Xata/Nourish in place of Miasma, and she can make any weapon great o at least servicable. Either buff the base weapons, or release a superior variant either with Primes or Prisma/Tenet/Kuva versions. Or have them manually review and exclude weapons that can't kill lvl 100 enemies with a full galvanized + prime mod setup if you get the 50 kills to use your abilities challenge. And for Christ's sake, let us use kitguns in Deep Archemedia and Duviri, cuz most of them can easily deal with SP enemies.

[@DispleasedWalrus]

Oh man, I had no idea that the missions/loadout choices changed daily. I spent a good 3 hours unlocking Elite Archimedia and achieving 37 research points because my options were so mid.

[@MythicalWatcher]

With how bad my luck is, I'm just not going to bother loading in each day to see if there's a loadout I want to use. Idc if there's good frames or weapons in there, i just want to use what i want. I don't meta slave. I just want to use what i find fun

[@matiasmiraballes9240]

Dunno, I feel a bit conflicted about the offering being completly RNG. My first run worked as I think DE intended. I drafted Gloom Garuda, with the only decent weapon being the Broken Sword. I just slapped a forma into that melee, fixed the build, put an arcane, and did just fine, I also lucked a +250% melee damage but it was absolutely overkill at that point. For the elite version I drafted Revenant + Furis incarnon so it was a breeze. The thing is that good equipment in warframe is so good that in circuit and this mode you usually can just rely on you single meta weapon/warframe and ignore the downside having to use some of the more unconventional options, which kind of defeats the purpose of the whole RNG thing. The think that I don't like is that you can get locked out of the max rewards by not the equipment you get offered since it doesn't even gives you an unmoded or default moded version of the weapons that you don't own. As an MR30 player, it almost happened to me twice, I can imagine that happening much more often for lower MR players. Also, I don't think being carried by a friend ignoring the whole RNG is so much of a cheese, since that requires to run the mission twice, and it takes like 20 or 30 minutes each.

[@endless031]

I hate this RNG loadout stuff

[@pearson674]

its not perfect but I enjoy it. I got harrow and lex prime incarnon for my choices today and I felt like I was basically carrying my whole team but they were able to hold their own and stay alive. Also they probably wont fix being able to carry someone through it however I think it should probably not be like that

[@Sneezy_04]

The bar is indeed high 😔

[@defmonk0]

The hardest part of this is HAVING the gear to match everything. I don't have the weapon slots to own every weapon in the game. I've sold the vast majority of them because they were useless. Suddenly, now, they're not - and I can likely never get the higher end rewards from this gamemode, so sticking to netracells it is.

[@prestoncarter4096]

If they're gonna do any changes it would be able to use more pulse to do more runs because I don't know if its just me but I'm pretty sure I remember on a dev stream reb saying yu could use 4 pulses for (2 deep arich runs 2 sets of rewards)and have 1 remaining pulse for a netracell run.

[@TheWarriorXander]

I could see this being a way to make some plat, sell carries in Elite Archimedea to help people get their rewards for the week. Make the cheese work for you, even if you don't have friends xD

[@GreyKnightOfChrist]

Great vid bro thank you for being so good at explaining things in a super easy way to understand :)

[@Jmazing336]

Loadouts rotating with the daily reset was a bug, but I'm sure you've seen that now that the patch notes are out

[@TheLoveexceeder]

Oh no my only weakness in warframe ''having friends'' .. its hurts a lot .

[@wildbear2472]

Great insight, thank you Bro

[@Micky96]

I don't have a deep arsenal yet so I, was assuming the loadout selection would rotate weekly, figured "ok, time to finally invest in getting my Mag and Dread off the ground and useful" (as those were the only two reasonable choices I had) because that seems to be what the content is pushing me towards. Grow my arsenal, invest into items that are decent but outperformed by other options (Dread) or just lower priority (Mag, I love her but I have other frames I want to level and invest). Then, after spending forma, potatoes, and a substantial amount of time I come back to absolute dogshit load out rolls. Guess Elite DA is locked until my Mesa is rolled and hope its this week because that shit is just the sweet spot of fucking me over. Too short to let me invest time in building a loadout, too long to make just waiting out a bad roll a palatable idea. And the frustrating thing is that once I have Elite unlocked I can just force Mesa through with everything else turned on for the max effective reward so, like, it fails at it's goal once you have the content actually unlocked.

[@planetmezo1145]

We should all just agree to seed. Finish yours with everything on, then run one more pug with everything off to cary 3 randoms

[@insomniacgamingtheater]

And they already changed it so the loadouts don't change daily. So, if you get a terrible loadout, you're stuck with it. That's a "bug" that should be made a feature. Guess we'll definitely have to stick with the big cheese.

[@gastropuppet6228]

didnt activate everything, but mehca set, and toxocyst clears the base variant wihtout much effort. hoping tonight has better loadout options

[@kaigemaru-kentsumaru]

This helped me out a lot thanks for guid

[@bahamut256]

Good luck getting a second player who has actually capped the syndicate, who actually wants to do durivi at home and is doing it at the same time as you.

[@permeus2nd]

12:00 this is gaming we all know no one actually has friends😂

[@MiltiadesSpyrou]

So at the cost of what is essentially two silver chests you can get two silver chests plus two gold chests and also a guaranteed Tao forged shard or legendary arcane

[@GeorgeNoX]

It is insane how much the enemy level has gone up in the last couple years, i am struggling to kill lvl 180 enemies at this point unless im using some really strange builds and warframes to buff up my damage because weapons alone just can't get the job done anymore no matter how much forma i put in and what mods i use. Its honestly starting to get not fun for me anymore, i love when i get to melt everything in seconds but when i have to hit an enemy multiple times with my gun it just doesn't feel like warframe anymore but instead like any other shooter who has bullet sponges for enemies and that is just not fun for me. Maybe warframe has become too complicated for me to be able to figure out the right builds at this point, idk but im not having fun at this point

[@UNGGodYT]

that is the "end game" problem, i also dont like anything SP, the lazy algorithm for scalling, dont make it fun, while we do have new ways to make our damage not fall so much, after certain lv, any damage we get is instant kill, not fun.

[@anonforuz]

Currently burned out from Gargoyles Cry, and now checking how this works I have zero interest in more content that wont let me play how i want. Pretty tired of that system after getting all the Incarnon weapons from the Circuit, which im never touching again. Netracells were also just stand still and be boring for 10 minutes.

[@brandonmarsh7557]

FYI you can get uncommon and rare arcanes from the Legendary chest. I got Vortex on my run.

[@Barret_S]

The drop tables show only legendary arcanes. It could be a bug or you maybe mistook it as your reward when it actually came from killing the gruzzling?

[@brandonmarsh7557]

@@Barret_S I don't remember killing a gruzzling or picking up it's loot honestly but that's probably what happened. I remember finishing the second elite Archimedea and the gold arcane was my only reward.

[@rface0]

Everything you need to know about Elite Archemdia: Suffer.

[@jonathanbennison1631]

He felt like a grate addition to the game, Rip Dante.

[@shadowstrike2477]

the second deep archimedea lol you jinx it brozime assassination

[@poestis474]

Still unclear on this... If you complete the "Elite Archimedia" lvl 375-400 once using the 2 pulses from Netracell runs, can you use another 2 from the 3/5 left to do another Elite run FOR Rewards? Or do the Rewards for that mode only drop once for the upped chance at better loot? I would redo it again this week, but doubt I will get another Dante who kept us alive in that Assassination.. I can already tell that would have been ROUGH without the Overgaurd lol. I did have like 68% of the damage with Khora but I would have been having to rolling guard my ass off for that one.

[@johnranalli331]

Myself and 2 clanmates did the first part. 2 of us had 25 points selected, the 3rd did not. We chose to do elite mission and the guy that didn’t have 25 points was booted on launch. I do not get your ‘your friend can carry you’ comment since you can only do once and friend would be screwed.

[@UNGGodYT]

as you said, the booted friend did not unlocked the elite version , you had to help unlock his before trying to go elite, liek trying to take any player who dont have second dream on Lua, they will be quicked on loading.

[@francobuzzetti9424]

wait, is this just infinite netracels rewards? or you're limited as well? can't i just keep runing it till i get bored?

[@XplicitBF]

so its not worth it to run again if you've already maxed out your research points for the week?

[@tjpfz6]

"legendary chest" Can also include reputation arcanes, I know you cant go back and edit it but yeah I got exposure from my elite deep arch....

[@spacerewriter]

I got lucky and got mesa, so didn't matter if my weapons were garbage. I can see some people really struggling if their RNG on items is real bad though. RIP Dante and Nezha augment. I didn't really even get to try them.

[@scottjohnson315]

I did see somewhere online that someone was saying that the Warframe and weapon choices aren't supposed to change daily, that they're only supposed to change every week, is that true or are the choices going to change daily?

[@Darthmufin]

11:35 i don't get this at all. If you pick everything and your friend doesn't pick any, they don't quality for the better rewards though? Because if the reverse happens and my friend picks everything and i don't my reward table clearly states that im not applicable for the best rewards, but i would still get them? Am i getting that right? If thats the case, its likely a bug or something and DE will force everyone to have the same amount of research points OR force players who don't to get different rewards as punishment.

[@UNGGodYT]

no, the clean player will carry those who are burdened with all the choices, he "sacrifices" his reward to complete the mission for the others, then the other do the same for him, making it easier to complete the missions since an OP warframe can solo everything, the other can just chill, but if you have 3 friends , it is best 2 to be the cleaners and 2 to be leechers.

[@Darthmufin]

@@UNGGodYT yeah that sounds terrible lol, playing twice? yikes.

[@ModPhreak]

I did 4 deep runs in total with one of them failing in mission 3 at 6/8 game bug. In one of those runs we all had the worst setups and everything selected, nobody could carry and it was rough.

[@drpulcinella1870]

Honestly people are too just way too pissed off with Dante to care about this. DE gonna have to respond or do something cause this might be one of the most angry this community been in a while i think

[@SaiKisaragi]

14:00 I was told to go choke after I left. Two teammates went down and I wasn’t doing shit for damage with my Zephyr, so I decided to leave because I thought we couldn’t do it. Turns out, I apparently wasted someone’s time, even though I wasn’t doing anything anyways and was just there to get carried. I have been getting carried for a month now cx

[@jacobelsea3595]

Man rolled Mesa and Kuva Nukor on his first rotation. Lmao.

[@thehat8006]

Got banshee, atomos, and fenmor first day. Absolutely cooked that shit

[@weirdopepsidude]

I enjoyed my first run to unlock elite version, but a squad wipe half way through the next run was just a huge feel bad moment as if felt like I had just wasted 20 minutes of my time for no meaningful reward.

[@dracoverenis7040]

Just curious has your mesa build changed at all with nourish nerf.

[@Brozime]

Nope not at all

[@dracoverenis7040]

@Brozime cool I'm loving it by the way so thank you

[@abyss6722]

I don't feel like there's a reason to try to "cheese" it with trading carries, my experience was that everyone had everything turned on and we were all fine.

[@Isendure]

Yeah, the arsenal resets weekly, not daily (as of this moment, it was patched).

[@DudW2]

Elite Acrh should change to select minimum 2 loadout parameters and 2 restrictive parameters.. this reduces carrying

[@Smatchimo616]

I'm MR27 and it managed to give me 5 weapons I don't own, and the rest were no catalyst. Thank god I got mesa

[@Metal_Sign-Friday_Patchouli]

When they fix it to weekly RNG loadout, it’ll be pretty unfortunate when people are bringing unranked sandbags because Loid said so. Definitely a good time to build a good Archgun, Mech, and Operator.

[@destroazuredx484]

is there a reason to play this again before the reset if you have all of the rewards?

[@Lucas-zw2mj]

They could do it in intervals so people with 0-10 research points play together, 11-15 play together, 16-20 and so on

[@Justicek02nd]

you should make a overall warframe tier list .. im curious to hear your thoughts

[@Xhadp]

I'd run this if there was rewards that had a guaranteed arcane adapter/legendary arcane roll so that I can max rank duplicate sooner and start working towards getting arcanes on my 50+ melee weapons I use on a semi-frequent basis. Shards are starting to get less useful for me right now. I think that the system is fair on the basis you can do multiple runs and don't think it is ruined if a friend runs through it for your since there is a squad scaling modifier (albeit the alchemy squad mechanic needs to be removed though). Reset heavy, don't see how it is any different than Eidolon or ESO resets tbh. The operator block modifier is the standout thing to me for this week. The weapon/Frame rolling needs to be reworked, even those I have everything mastered and sold a bunch of stuff but I still have a healthy batch of weapons yet I am getting weapons I don't even own. Doesn't help that you can't just not equip a weapon to get the bonus(understandable for Garuda Talons but that is niche enough already). The rest of the modifiers we will have to wait and see if they turn out to be good if there are some serious back-breaking combos, I know some people pointed out increased eximus units destroys Limbo's playstyle but that may be far from the only one.

[@tonysmith9905]

Multiple runs really only matters if you have a friend carrying you. Like you can't stack two mods in one run, then do two mods in another and get rewards from both. It's not a cumulative point system for the rewards track.

[@void2258]

I have a feeling the incoming complaint is going to be "why do I have click elite every time?"