Deep Mind AI Alpha Zero Dismantles Stockfish's French Defense

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A chess game between Deep Mind Alpha Zero and Stockfish
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One of the games
1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 cxd4 7. Nb5 Bb4+ 8. Bd2 Bc5 9. b4 Be7 10. Nbxd4 Nc6 11. c3 a5 12. b5 Nxd4 13. cxd4 Nb6 14. a4 Nc4 15. Bd3 Nxd2 16. Kxd2 Bd7 17. Ke3 b6 18. g4 h5 19. Qg1 hxg4 20. Qxg4 Bf8 21. h4 Qe7 22. Rhc1 g6 23. Rc2 Kd8 24. Rac1 Qe8 25. Rc7 Rc8 26. Rxc8+ Bxc8 27. Rc6 Bb7 28. Rc2 Kd7 29. Ng5 Be7 30. Bxg6 Bxg5 31. Qxg5 fxg6 32. f5 Rg8 33. Qh6 Qf7 34. f6 Kd8 35. Kd2 Kd7 36. Rc1 Kd8 37. Qe3 Qf8 38. Qc3 Qb4 39. Qxb4 axb4 40. Rg1 b3 41. Kc3 Bc8 42. Kxb3 Bd7 43. Kb4 Be8 44. Ra1 Kc7 45. a5 Bd7 46. axb6+ Kxb6 47. Ra6+ Kb7 48. Kc5 Rd8 49. Ra2 Rc8+ 50. Kd6 Be8 51. Ke7 g5 52. hxg5
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[@aniketbramhankar5980]

no one can get over saying "and stockfish resigned the game" its so pleasing

[@RaniaIsAwesome]

Houdini has always been better. Also if given hardware thousands of times faster and more powerful like Alphago has been unfairly given I'm pretty sure even old Crafty could beat Stockfish. #fakenews

[@KimiShokoupuffsss]

This guy gets it :D

[@dannygjk]

Alphazero was *trained* on monster hardware, it didn't play on monster hardware.

[@RaniaIsAwesome]

Until Alphazero beats Stockfish on the same hardware it can't be called better at chess.

[@mrtomato5132]

stockfish evaluated 70 million positions a second vs alphazero's 80 thousand positions a second. Stockfish had the hardware advantage.

[@JohnLee-pn7kf]

Agadmator, please never limit yourself by saying 'no more alphazero' or whatever. Just show us the the best games, that's why we are here and love your channel

[@agadmator]

+John Lee That was a joke :)

[@EugeneOneguine]

This game from Alpha Zero is truly beautiful, I've watched it 3 or 4 times already, I can't get over the ke3 and the bxe6 then pushing the pawn, this looks like something Fischer or Tal would play. Alpha Zero really feels as if it played with a certain touch of instinct. Thank you for preparing this game for us.

[@ushakrishnan4589]

In fact we are so happy to watch these games .It feels this is the world championship material not the poor thin gruel doled out the by the recent Human championship.

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[@yourdeadwrong]

@@nwikendulue4824 your comment is so dumb, i hope you joking, and even if you are is a lame ass joke

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Alpha *Zero* : “If the king doesn't lead, how can he expect his subordinates to follow?"

[@trickynation5157]

Code geass

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Nice

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Code Geass

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Lelouch

[@OHOHOHCOME]

I am honestly surprised people who saw that show is so common in 2020.

[@Chickpeas12453]

"How does one crush the French Defense?" Step 1: Invade Belgium

[@matteocavalli5918]

Step 2 go around the maginot line

[@arttukokki]

step 3 push the frenchmen to the beaches

[@mattroxursoul]

To be fair that only worked half the time. The first time they went through Belgium it actually cost them dearly. By invading them it made Great Britain get involved. I know it is fun to make fun the quick surrender in ww2 but that was leadership at fault. Some people wrongly assume that the French as a whole were weak and soft....this is not the case. Mostly that is just from how people view the elitists of Paris. Comparing them would be like comparing our US soldiers to the wealthy socialites in DC/NY

[@YannCogan]

@@mattroxursoul We lost because the Germans followed De Gaulle's tactic and the French didn't 😭

[@Just_a-guy]

@@matteocavalli5918 This is double fun comment because orginal 2 pons werent captured. They stayed as A0 went around and crushed everything

[@bernardfinucane2061]

Incredible to see rows 1 and 2 empty in the midgame and Stockfish crushed against the top of the board like roadkill under a truck tire.

[@chrisgilmet304]

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell I would have captured the knight with my king, then move to e3. Wow.

[@dassitdassall]

gillyzxcvbnm How did the snowball make it to hell? Must have been a bad boy.

[@Warriormanners]

No one knows, very low chances.

[@CarlosSilva-cx6oh]

I could see myself playing that. I played something similar before in an otb game with a similarly closed centre, I think it was a decent move aswell if I recall, was a long time ago. Especially seeeing as there was no other satifactory defence to the d4 pawn, Nxd2 Bb4 Qc1 Qb6 Qb2 Bxd2 and you would have to got Kxd2 anyway.

[@youngpatrick29]

Carlos Silva if you played it it would’ve been a blunder ;)

[@vijayyadav-fk1dc]

Fischer and Tal played such moved tbh

[@KungFuBlitzKrieg]

So if I wanna be the best chess player in the world, I just play against myself for 4 hours. Got it.

[@jkchannel3149]

no, if you are human, i would take ~1500years to play against yourself

[@sanjanasoni2262]

@MTRredux because it can think approx. 100 moves in 10^(-1) sec or more

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If you can play over 10 million games in 4 hours. Yes!

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Some people go crazy playing against themselves.

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bluewaters4567 other people go crazy playing with themselves

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You like the Alpha Zero admit it:)

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Who wouldn't like it :D

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Good to see long term abstract thought defeat brute force calculations.

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Alpha Zero and youtube are owned by google, anything google owns is going to get precedence on youtube for example by appearing in the featured videos.

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[@KuzunE]

1:19 - When he said "And in this position..." my mind expected the next words to be "Stockfish resigned".

[@lordmatthewanunnahybrid1356]

2 years later I’m still in awe over this game. Absolutely astonishing! 😁😁😁😁😁

[@mikelz6936]

Same

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Of course, i knew what you were gonna say the second i saw the title😂😂😂

[@agadmator]

:D

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[@iczyg]

I like these videos about Alpha Zero. If you went over every single unique game it played, I wouldn't mind at all. In fact, I'd prefer it.

[@narendrasharma6232]

Ashley: stockfish, what do you say about your game against alpha zero? It wasn't very smooth stockfish: i mean, what you want me to do?

[@-_Nuke_-]

Carlsen actually won that game no?

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Ahhahaha

[@140TrillionSuns]

Agadmator : Alpha is already controlling more squares in six rank and this is very nice. Alpha : Ohh thankyou Agadmator (with shy face) ^-^

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Even Alpha Zero recognizes the greatness of Agadmator

[@theMarcoLee]

dude, you are a fucking mind reader. also: i enjoy those games soo much, mainly because you enjoy them so much and transport this amazement over, what about once a week alpha zero games? it will still grow and it would be nice to follow it's journey.

[@agadmator]

They only published 10 games :)

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I thoroughly enjoy listening to your commentary on these matches. Thank you.

[@MarcosGoetten]

If you check the paper AlphaZero learns the French defense before 1 hour of training and by the 2 hours mark it's 12% of his played games. But the percentage suddenly drops and, after a time, AlphaZero abandons the idea. Seems like he learned from his mistakes lol

[@htoodoh5770]

Marcos Goetten where?

[@juannarvaez5476]

Wait, alphazero plays shogi too? I want to see these games. I know very little about the game, but it's be nice to see what the highest level of play is for shogi

[@Reach1335]

AlphaZero: "It was just a phase!"

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Tony!! Thanks for giving us another AlphaZero game. Loved it

[@hofkingpin3216]

“Now the White King is infiltrating the position”. Sounds like another Mission Impossible for me

[@-_Nuke_-]

Black was up a Bishop but white was up a King ;)

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2:28 Dog : I want to sleep but that guy is always talking , let's go get some food

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[@RoyalNation]

Keep making alpha zero vids please

[@NoahC-]

I can't get enough of these deepmind games, they are so amazing

[@yaseen157]

I'm so glad you put this one up!

[@yaseen157]

But I'm glad you're not showing more, too much of a good thing can be bad

[@Mizziri]

"the barbaric RC7+" had me cackling, i think barbaric is truly the best way to describe that move.

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I love this Alpha Zero game, please continue

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I'm fed up with boring human chess

[@Dyyne]

Thank you for these videos. I found one of your A0 videos on reddit yesterday and really enjoyed the ones you have covered so far. One thing that I really enjoy hearing you talk about is your take on what these games, and better AI in general, mean for chess. I myself am not a chess player even though I am familiar with the tactics and strategy. I am more interested in the machine learning, but I really appreciate expert's take on how the game is changing. For instance, I liked your discussion in a previous video about how A0 might change how people analyze games and maybe push people away from playing like stockfish. I guess in a way my preference for videos is about chess developments and more meta discussions. Anyway, just my two cents. Thanks again and best of luck with your channel!

[@quonomonna8126]

I love it when anyone brings their king to the other side of the board, something satisfying about that

[@BinaryReader]

I know Go was a milestone AI advancement, but Alpha Zero beating our best brute force heuristic search is a bigger milestone for neural networks imo. Indeed, its like humanity has discovered a new "fire" with neural networks, with the algorithms generalizing across such a wide range of domains, as well as able to learn via first principles with no human intervention at all. These recurrent neural networks are demonstrating intuition, forward planning and deep strategy now which is incredible. But we should be concerned about the implications, as unlike stockfish (which is bound to the domain of chess), Alpha Zero can be applied to literally any domain. It's naive to think that this technology won't impact us all in unforeseen ways, and that those that control and implement this technology will have immense leverage over humanity (for better or worse). I can't help but sense that things may get very bad (or at least very different) from here on out. I've written very small neural networks myself, and even in the most basic implementations, its easy to see how mappable this algorithm is (and scary to think about the neural network algorithms deployed at scale). I have seen what they are capable of and can appreciate the change in thinking with regards to state based heuristic search to neural networks. We are in for a bumpy ride.... An yes, the application of neural networks I put up there with the discovery of creating fire, writing and literacy, agriculture and farming, taming electricity, and the introduction of automation in industry. Given machines provide the fabric for modern civilization, intelligent automation is a BIG BIG BIG DEAL. Be afraid.

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BinaryReader Did you have Terminator in mind.

[@LightningSe7en]

When I took up automation, I knew for a fact that automation will be the center of our society in the coming future. However, I did not predict the advent of neural networks effictively nullifying it.

[@-_Nuke_-]

In the future AI will look at how humanity treat it's own planet, calculate our possibilities of fixing it, and when they see "0" they will conclude, that we humans should seize to exist, and they might destroy us. Though such scenario might sound scary, I also see it as the human genome "natural" evolution. We went from fish to Apes and from Apes to Humans - we will go from Humans to Androids and from Androids to machines. That's the only way for our intelligence to survive the hostility of it's environment and spread into the galaxy. If I was to bet, I would bet that 99/100 alien races out there, if they exist - they are only going to be machines.

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Add quantum computing power to neural networks, and it's several orders of magnitude in advancement. The human brain is rapidly becoming obsolete. We will have humans-only chess tourney's while the computers laugh at us!

[@xCorvus7x]

@Minkki82 You should check out recent news on the games between ΑZero and Stockfish. deepmind.com/blog/alphazero-shedding-new-light-grand-games-chess-shogi-and-go/

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"Even the barbaric Rc7+"

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Congrats 60,000 subscribers! Kingscrusher here we come!

[@yameteonii-chan7113]

It's amazing how stockfish consider the position a draw on 6:04 and didn't find the mating moves that alpha zero found

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You made another one!!! ❤️

[@INFINITY_99]

I love the Alpha Zero games :D I really wouldn't mind more of those!

[@SuperSaniyat]

It's a beautiful game...interesting how the engines vary in their evaluation of a particular position...!

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5:00 „... but after king captures .. yyy phaa” - agadmator 2018

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Keep these alpha zero games coming!

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60K Subscribers by the end of this weekend, easy. Congrats in advance Agadmator!

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+BMessemer It's already more than 60k! :D

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Loved your opening lines. Very funny.

[@lordmatthewanunnahybrid1356]

This re-writes the playbook on how chess is played. I can't get enough of Alpha Zero!

[@mahdiaa4474]

Hi, I watched your channel couple of days and really enjoyed it, most 2 alpha zero game, this one and another when stockfish had same situation for bishop, when I watch the alpha zero I feel it played really like very smart person, it just fight for wining, it hate draw, it want to win even it loss all of its pieces.

[@samuelvasco3962]

This series is great!

[@adeshchopra]

A fan of both dota and chess here, enjoyed the shoutout. Dota 2 is really chess at it's core, just more in real time. Keep up the good videos!

[@peterpopov2937]

This video had me going nuts looking for that app with the unfamiliar notification sound... Need more coffee :)

[@banakafala1a]

Im sooo glad that you mention dota :)

[@dandiaz19934]

hahahah, I love that Agadmator couldn't resist to show how Alpha Zero destroys the French Defense! xD You're awesome, dude!

[@SuperSaniyat]

Happy Alpha Zero December 2018 to you agadmator....!

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Dude, through your chess, you have made my life better. Thank you from Scotland, and my wee dog

[@judenfisch]

i love this channel. lol to the fact u make another video about alpha after saying u would never ever :D

[@voteforno.6155]

You are one of the better commentators around. There are many (not going to name names) who simply play through the moves and use their engine to “comment”.

[@CaliforniaLove1000]

Im a big dota2 fan, saw it live. it was unbelievable, it played and calculatd everything perfecly. no chance for the best dota2 mid players. it was amazing. great video again!!! greetings from germany

[@astroNexx]

I used to play a lot of DotA2 and I have seen the live coverage of the event, so for those of you who are interested here's some info: dota is a lot similar to chess in a sense that you have a draft (like the opening) early and mid game (midgame in chess) and lategame where a single mistake means loss (usually). The difference from chess is that you also need to be good with reflexes and "mechanically skilled" to perform combos and fireworks. Best thing about dota is that its like chess but for teams: every player of the team really needs to understand the game strategy, coordinate with your mates and stay cool headed. Now, Musks AI defeated pros handily, but only in a one vs one scenario. To continue the analogy to chess this is like playing queen and king vs queen and king. Which is nowhere near real chess. Although even that victory was surprising because dota bots were always horrible. The real challenge for Musks OpenAI is going to be to teach bots how to coordinate and create strategies. I am both excited and horrified of this AI mania

[@freaki0734]

You fear that the AI will have problems creating strategy? haven't you just watched the video?^^ I mean coordination might be weird but you could just let 1 System play multiple players...

[@astroNexx]

the thing is, there are 46 897 636 623 981 (4 * 10^13) combinations of heroes in dota, and a computer has beaten a man in only one of those, and in a highly specific scenario. Heroes can also be played in many more combinations, the combination of those is also very characteristic. If it were a strict set of heroes (say, 5 chosen for both sides) then yeah, I'd say its possible with neural network algorightms which machine can repeat many times and learn from reinforcements, but if I were to lay a bet, I would say computer won't beat a team of 5 players any time soon, and DotA probably won't even be relevant by the time it will

[@MatthewLack]

@@astroNexx This reply didn't age well...

[@prbprb2]

So interesting! The theme of trapping the bishops is pervasive.

[@stateofdecay2210]

7:45 the most beautiful commentary of agadmator in his channel, I love this commentary

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I really like to see this type of games :)

[@MrJasonStoll]

I LOL'd at your first statement. :)

[@muimui_ice]

Keep uploading alpha zero’s games!atleast once a week please

[@youknow8927]

Having watched the Alpha Zero game play, I feel I now understand how chess should be played.. whether I can put that into practice is another question..haha.. thanks..great dialogue.

[@moazph]

Please continue showing us Deep Mind AI Alpha Zero games.

[@seasideman]

Simply astonishing game. That manoeuvre of the king to e3 is quite un-human-like but at the same time completely logical. The most important thing I am getting from these games is the restriction of the opponent's options. I think all of the games have featured some sort of locking in of the opponent pieces, so effectively allowing Alpha to play a piece up. I'm not that strong a player, but I think these games will cause a great deal of rethinking by the grandmasters. Thank you for your excellent analysis.

[@Sol1taireTV]

"And in this position, Stock resigned. The Game." BLISS

[@Hester_prynne]

kept thinking my notifications were going off but it was just yours lol,

[@mikelz6936]

Sorry bout that

[@Christoff070]

Awesome. I find it scary and inspiring that a program can learn and then become best chess computer in the world in just four hours.

[@BRADPITAGO]

Why stockfish had to play that last dumb move in all of its games? It could have graciously resigned before that ;)

[@thomashead-rapson811]

Bharath Kumar Probably has to get to a predefined certainty of losing before it can resign. As any move is losing, it just took the least worst, or a random choice, and then the next position takes the evaluation over that threshold

[@Omegadarkdrake]

Because as we have seen, its a flawed ai

[@-zelda-]

Engines can't resign

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[@tinytim8173]

Í Love the alpha games just show us what you think we'll like I trust that your videos will always be as good as they have always been

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Awesome strategy in response to the French defense.

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Really like it

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I love your style :)

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11:29 I never tire of hearing this!!

[@saikat93ify]

Yesterday, in commentary Anand spoke about the Queen's Indian Defense game in Stockfish vs AlphaZero. Please show that.

[@yonathangutierrez825]

Hi Agadmator! Could you please do a video on Fischer vs Benko game on us chess championship 1963 ? It is one of my favorite games and i think it is really instructive! thanks in before hand!

[@tylerschannel]

King to e3 is one of the most savage gangster moves i have seen .

[@dickbrazen]

I'm glad you mentioned enjoying the position. I pinned a Queen against her King for 9 moves today in a game against my phone.

[@dickbrazen]

Cpu made a huge error to make that possible, but it was still fun

[@kyleparker2821]

Idk how to play chess but I enjoy watching these videos lol

[@emranahmed5711]

Please mr agadmator, we want more alpha games on your channel. Without your analysis, i don't get full contentment.

[@sulxanichiqovani702]

I have feeling that alpha zero is Bobby Fischer.

[@josephjennings3177]

That's probably insulting to A0

[@adifferentvideoofabananaev7706]

More like Tal

[@didac3859]

I mean, Stickfish would beat Fischer pretty easily.

[@AkashChauhan-sd6fo]

Alphazero eats Fischer for breakfast and defecates Carlsen.

[@erikadasilva507]

Alpha Zero is the Mage of Riga.

[@michaeljanapin9528]

I have a joke. “French Defense. “ I have a better joke. “English Opening.” Thanks Agad😊✌️

[@tylergrieve1418]

More alpha zero games You do the best computer-chess games

[@stuflames4769]

4:17 The light square bishop is utterly effed, and trapping other pieces, until a significant change. Agadmator, the optimist - "The light square bishop isn't looking good here."

[@RemiBoyz]

I love the use of “barbaric” at 7:45

[@azizshameem6241]

60 k subscribers, brilliant

[@beratbelo8005]

Hello Could be good if you flip board during whole video maybe two times ,to see how it looks from both perspectives. Especially when there you explain about positional advantage or pawn structure.

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This is why I love this channel!

[@pdmorale]

By the way what is a delta2 player?

[@TheMuffinBagare]

It's Dota 2, and it's a video game ;) He mentions it moreso on the topic of new AIs rather than chess in particular

[@gdsylver1223]

More alpha zero!

[@Just1Humanoid]

2:37 - Black can play Knight to e3 forking queen and light square bishop, which will get rid of light square bishop anyways :))

[@suyashharsh5100]

I loved the comment Barbaric Took who gave check n took queen

[@ethoslotus554]

I watch your chess commentaries in the morning when having tea. Just wanted to let you know.

[@agadmator]

+ethos lotus I'm glad to hear that! Earl gray black? :D

[@ethoslotus554]

nah, green tea Gotta detox the body lol ;)

[@mrblacky6882]

Hahah tacno sam znao da ce biti jos neki alpha zero ;)

[@claudiumarcello5789]

5:00 phaaa

[@SnoopingDope]

cant get enough of alpha zero

[@joe6700]

To me it seems like it plays chess similar to how it plays Go it doesn't think in "lines" like a traditional chess engine but thinks in patterns. This gives it immensely powerful positional play like in Go that is a a dimension beyond linear chess. Like going from 2d thinking to 3d.

[@greense65]

In the couple AlphaZero games I have seen, it really seems to use its king to its fullest extent--like any other piece. I guess you have this luxury if you have the computational ability to be sure the king won't get checkmated due to some tactical oversight on your part.

[@sirien.neiris]

I love this repeating exchange: Stockfish: DRAW!!! Alpha Z: lol, nope. / followed by some clear, ingenious and spectacular Stockfish destruction

[@jeffwads]

Man, I wish they would release the rest of those games. 10 out of 100. Come on.

[@siraf1234]

Steinitz would be proud. AlphaZero activated his king

[@JZGreenline]

I want to see a DeepMind vs DeepMind game. I just wonder how complex it gets. Because stockfish looks like a complete beginner against AlphaZero. AlphaZero seems to understand key concepts at such a masterful level that Stockfish doesn't even begin to grasp. I also want to see a human against AlphaZero. I wonder if it's easier to beat a machine that plays like a human.

[@hartefart]

you realize that humans have no chance whatsoever against stockfish, right? The only cool thing to see is how much faster DeepMind manages to beat humans compared to stockfish...

[@RaniaIsAwesome]

Stockfish is a much better chess program than Alphago in every conceivable way. Alphago was given virtually infinite computer hardware while Stockfish was limited to 1gb, it was a farce. Amazing how easily you lot are taken in by this hoax. #fakenews

[@LoFiSymphony]

I *don't* want to see an AlphaZero vs. AlphaZero series of games, I'm afraid it'll solve chess and we would watch it infinitely draw itself.

[@sirien.neiris]

That could be great - or not. I kinda doubt if we understood what the hack is going on on that board. Like - sure, somebody could say "this is for this" or "later this is used in this way", but where is the certainty? AZ could do that move with completely different intention or for completely different reason which would get lost in following game going into another direction. As long as commenters understand at least one side of the game and know what it is doing, it is easier to understand what AZ is (probably) doing. But AZ vs AZ? How would you evaluate its moves?

[@hartefart]

Petr Mazak it could very well be that the AI can explain the purpose of its moves

[@therealsachin]

@agadmator's Chess Isn't the news of OpenAI beating professional Dota 2 player an old one (Aug-2017)? Or did they beat them again in some more complex format?

[@agadmator]

+Sachin Shenoy Nah, I just heard about it now