Deepmind 12 vs DSI OB6

[@infindebula]

The OB-6 has much nicer wooden end cheeks, which seems to give it a more refined sound.

[@StarskyCarr]

I think it's something to do with the viscosity of the teak oil adding a creamy finish

[@gilbycoyote]

Tonewood

[@samusordicus]

*cough* SARCASM

[@PeterWalkerHP16c]

@Bunty McCunty You can if you eat green beans and pull your butt a little!

[@StarskyCarr]

@Bunty McCunty are you showing off about your narrow cheeks ;)

[@UniQueWerkx]

I can't believe I missed this video! It's like almost 4 years old! I *really* appreciate this video! WOW! The Deepmind sounds a lot better than I thought! Well done! Thank you!!

[@isoldeisobelle552]

Obie's always sound lush. But, the DM also sounds great and such good value for money that you might as well buy two and give one to a mate... think of the good karma points!

[@ogasi1798]

ayup mate ;-)

[@MajorOSC]

Bought em both. Deepmind 12 keyboard, ob6 desktop

[@sentokan]

@@MajorOSC and how do u feel about them? Is the OB6 worth the price difference? Can the DM do almost all the OB6 can? Thanks!

[@MajorOSC]

@@sentokan you get what you pay for. Dm12 does ALOT more. If you're planning to make music / produce, dm12. If you like synths and just play around and noodle, ob6 feels more immediate, immensely more analog lush sounding. Couldn't tell anyone which to buy.

[@sentokan]

@@MajorOSC Thank you! I want it for production but in my production I also play as I record and a great sound inspires me more.. that s why I thought OB6 untill I saw the comparison and not anymore entirely sure it s worth the price difference.

[@PeterWalkerHP16c]

Doesn't matter what you see on measuring gear. That homoeopathic fatness, richness, *[insert meaningless adjective here]* will always be found on *[insert nostalgia item here]*

[@ezassegai4793]

demistified

[@marlonjarek9071]

listen to the "some sounds" section. they sound very different.

[@ezassegai4793]

@@marlonjarek9071 sound different yes but not anyone of them is really better, you can tweak the hell out of both and the price point of the ob6 literally no longer makes any sense. The ob6 is not a great synth and I know that this is blasphemy among the synth crowd but I really dont think it sounds that great. Heard much better sounding stuff like Nord Lead A1, Roland JDXA, Virus Ti2 etc etc. and they also have much more features at a lower price than the ob6. The fact that the dm12 comes that close for 680 bucks will shake the market a bit.

[@marlonjarek9071]

@@ezassegai4793 agreed. didnt mean better, just different. i personally dont care what brand a synth is from. i use everything, lots of software too. but the ob-6 sound always felt special to me though. so lets hope it gets a little less expensive, so that maybe i can own one some day haha.

[@ezassegai4793]

@@marlonjarek9071 yes mate I would totally wish for you that you get that synth if you like it that much man. Hope you make that dream come true for yourself.

[@john9291]

Being an ob6 owner I am surprised how similar the DM can sound. Here in Aus there is almost a 4 x price difference. You can’t beat unison mode on the ob6 though, just add some chorus and it is truely monstrous. The pads are sic too.

[@hexfix93]

ob6 and dm are both great....

[@marlonjarek9071]

i dont know what it is about the ob-6. but every sound that comes out of this machine is so musical and just makes me smile. it feels like a warm cushion.

[@Goettel]

I'd love to add the OB-6, but the Deepmind is such amazing value for money for those not cashing a music paycheck. Amazing machines, both, but I can only afford the DM.

[@lamdahalbe]

I don't know if you did so, but the Deepmind offers the possibility to equal out phases of all oscillators in unison mode to get rid of cancellation. Not having that turned on might be an explanation for it not being as loud and "clean" as the OB.

[@Blaze86420]

Hey which setting is this under?

[@elderchildren]

also wondering

[@sentokan]

me wondering too

[@lamdahalbe]

@@sentokan From the manual: "Note: When using UNISON DETUNE in combination with the OSC KEYDOWN RESET setting (in the OSC1 EDIT menu), you will hear the effects of phase drift much more clearly, as the OSCs will all start from the same point on their waveforms."

[@thomas.moerman]

Remarkable bang for the buck from the DM. Ob-6 sounds a little nicer but definitely not 4x the price nicer.

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

Agreed, For the price today of the OB-6 I could think of 3 synth modules for that price, Deepmind, Novation peak, and a Moog mother. Or Deepmind, Peak, and 2X Behringers equivalent of the Moog mother that sound pretty much identical to the Moog mother as shown and demonstrated on this very channel. That 3 module combo blows the OB 6 away in both modulation, sound, and features. For the same price or slightly less.

[@ionianechoes]

To me it sounds at least 3x as good.

[@Nospoon777]

Ob6 has soul! Just my humble opinion...

[@AlainHubert]

I own both of these, and there's no comparison. It's like comparing a Roland Juno 106 and an Oberheim SEM. Worlds apart. Both of which offer their own advantages and inconvenients. The DM12 has a mod matrix and 2 LFOs, the OB6 has the sound. But given the relatively low price of a DM12, and its good quality, there's no reason not to have both of these. Because there are some interesting timbres that the DM12 is capable of, that the OB6 simply can't do. Thanks for the demo.

[@Scolecite]

Exactly that's why I have OB-6 and Pro-2 for the epic modulations. ;)

[@AlainHubert]

@Konstantin Ridaya Yes indeed. On a budget, the DM12 offers an outstanding value for money ratio. Plus, it does sound great once you're willing to explore its capabilities and forget about the meh presets. And if programming such a device is not really one's thing, there are always sound banks available for download at minimal cost. Such as the excellent ones from GEOSynths (which I had bought for the DM12).

[@jazzjeffjazzjeff]

I must say, the Deepmind holds up pretty well!

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

It certainly does, I don't own either of them but there's no way on earth that OB-6 is 4X the price of a Deep mind 12...Crazy.

[@ezassegai4793]

@@maydaygoingdown5602 The deepmind is solid as far as I have heard. It is probably the best value in the entire industry right now. Its also Behringers first original Synth. This thing is gonna cost a fortune 2 years from now, when people are swimming in nostalgia

[@graxjpg]

EZ Assegai i have to say, that my confirmation bias lends me to agree with you. I have a dm12, and it was my first poly. I stumbled into a world I wasn’t prepared for.

[@hooch8395]

would love to see a hydrasynth keys vid from you 😎

[@cyorkgo]

This was a great comparison. While you can hear a slight difference in the sound, it would not be that noticeable in the context of a mix, and that's what's most important. This just sold me on the Behringer. Can't wait to see them at NAMM 2020 .. and for the Poly D to be released. Awesomeness ...

[@b2zap665]

Really wish behringer would focus on more projects like the deepmind. Id love to see a deepmind 2!

[@esoteric6178]

This is an odd comparison. Interesting.

[@StarskyCarr]

yeah... a bit of fun. I doubt anyones considering which one to buy - although someone mentioned they were after a Prophet 6 and ended up with a DM12, Model D, Neutron, Timeline and Big Sky plus some lingerie!!!

[@ultraconchetsap]

​@@StarskyCarr Hey starsky I was wondering, do you feel like the ob has a little more low end and high end than the deep mind ? I noticed (comparing my ob 6 to the minilogue that the ob has definitely more "quality" sound). I want to buy the deepmind, but Im not sure if it has that "low quality" of the minilogue... even though its better than digital sound... thanks

[@StarskyCarr]

@@ultraconchetsap I think the OB has a more overall polished tone than the DM. It's easier to get the sound I'm looking for. You can generally get them to sound very similar if staying within the tones the oscillators the DM can create - it's just easier to get a 'nice' tone on the OB. I wouldn't say the DM doesn't have the bass though... it's not something that has occurred to me while comparing them at least. Maybe it plays a part in getting that perfect tone, but as I say you can normally get there on the DM with a little more effort... sometimes with no more effort. Perhaps people using the 2nd oscillator as OSC2 rather than a sub (as on the 106 or OB6) loses bass on a lot of patches.

[@ultraconchetsap]

Starsky Carr thanks for answering !

[@Жан.джазмен]

see these comparisons, besides showing the versatility of Deepmind, gives us even more depth in the sound synthesis, thank you Sir.!

[@lundsweden]

VS TAL UNO-LX plugin!

[@synriser6742]

OB6 is the winner for me. Warm, fat and smooth.

[@thegood9]

The point is that the DM is 90% of the sound at 1/6 the cost...a lot of us could "get by" with that and buy new mics or go on a vacay with the leftovers...

[@synriser6742]

@@thegood9 True. I am not comparing prices here just sound. Indeed a lot of money for the OB6 that's why I bought the REV2 instead.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Jason Lee 90% of WHAT???

[@Kevinjames0976]

Oberheim is its own thing, yes, the DM 12 can get close, but it’s just not the same. It’s much fatter sounding the DM 12 was designed as a Juno replication in which tends to be a little thin. Oberheim is the gods of synths..

[@longfade]

That filter comparison you do at around 9:30 is super illuminating. It's great seeing a visual example of why those two filters are so different, and what makes the OB6 sound like an OB6. Even given the differences, another great job of matching them up. I learn something new every time I see one of these, it seems.

[@McSynth]

After spending £20,000 on a new mains cable, I've noticed that the OSC 3 switch has a sharper, more defined click, improved mid range - and the end cheesks looks nicer when illuminated by a daylight bulb. eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2011/11/20k-audio-power-cable-introduced/

[@StarskyCarr]

Wow.. what a waste of cash... you're better off holding on for the £50k version 2

[@Syllerud]

Nice video thanks. IMO the OB6 sounds more upfront and snappy while the DM12 is more soft in the background. I feel thats the difference with a lot of high tier and mid tier synths. That big presence. Same goes with the Juno 60 and OB-X when compared to others they just seem more up front, present and fat.

[@104fingers]

I have both... Now I'm thinking I can poly chain them and get some interesting results.

[@Conforce]

this is an interesting comparison! the deepmind is a bang for the buck. and it seems to be the only engineered behringer synth so far apart from all the copied stuff

[@Goettel]

The Neutron is an original also.

[@Mike__G]

You learn a lot by copying.

[@adventureswithsteve2981]

Thanks for this video , i never considered buying a deepmind but after seeing this and the juno 106 comparison i am considering getting a DM6 (smaller size with 37 Keys) @ £444 i think this is fantastic value considering all the features like 32 step sequencer and over 30 types of FX plus CV input which could be a really interesting way to trigger the synth

[@Kung_Fu_Jesus]

Hopefully you’ve got one now, the prices will have dropped a little too. Love mine to bits and holds up well with the likes of my Peak and Virus tI.

[@mercury8117]

There's no way many of us can afford the likes of a dsi rev2 let alone an ob6. The dm12 gives us a glimpse of the high end in looks and performance i there is little if anything out there to match it. All it needs is a proven track record and no synth has a button for that. If it proves reliable it may well be a true bargain. And for people like me it is favourite to be my first analog poly synth.

[@StarskyCarr]

I think it’s a fantastic first synth. Behringer gets a lot of grief about quality. Maybe it wasn’t so good on old products, but they’ve invested in the new factory etc so that’s all in the last. I’ve owned a lot of synths and have had more problems with non-Behringer ‘high end’ expensive synths. I’m not sure there’s much, if any difference in quality these days. All manufacturers have issues, and we hear more about problems than those that work flawlessly.

[@metaspherz]

Actually, there is a way for many people, like yourself, to own the synth of their dreams if you can make monthly payments. Go to zZounds web site and see if you qualify for their interest-free payment plan. If you want a DM 12 and can afford $69 a month for a year, or $46 a month for the DM 6 then you're in luck. That's what I did over 3 years ago and I also bought the DSI Rev2-16 and almost have a Moog Grandmother paid for. Most of the time they don't do a credit check. Other music sites like Americanmusical and Sweetwater (I have their credit card too) also offer a payment plan but they check credit. I prefer zZounds and they've helped me to outfit my home studio with a mixer, speakers, and high-quality headphones (Neumanns NDH-20). Good luck!

[@funkmachine6420]

Love the intro to The Beautiful Ones!

[@kierenmoore3236]

Or was it a very stripped-back Baba O’Riley … ? 🤔😜

[@motherbrain2000]

what one should take away from this is not which one is better but rather how similar they can sound. I mean, could you even really tell if you closed your eyes?! Considering the price difference it's astonishing. $699 vs $2999. More than 4 times as expensive! 400% the price for 10% the advantages. SMH. With that said- my first gen DM12 had a key go wonky in the first 2 months. HA! so maybe the jokes on me

[@Scolecite]

I have an Ob-6 and it's worth the money. Like all things, the $$$ goes into the subtle details, which matter. Watches, cars, you name it. The used market is where you pick up an OB-6, not a new one.

[@markuskoivisto]

You got the key fixed right?

[@ionianechoes]

Hahaha you wish that was true. Me too BTW. Try to do a xmod with filtertype modulation on the dm

[@Gabriel.A.L.]

I wish the deepmind had a nicer interface. It looks cheap and you have these menus. Soundwise its pretty amazing for the money

[@infindebula]

“Sweet spots” is something that seasoned synth players know about and talk about, but no video demonstration can quite convey. You need to get your hands on the knobs to really see. The sweet spots on the OB-6 are aplenty. The sweet spots on a Juno are similarly right in front of your face. The DeepMind is a good, flexible synth, but the sweet spots are harder to find. There are several examples of this in the video - like the volume jumps when mixing waves, or moving the resonance depending on what part of the keyboard you’re playing. Or unison sounding like it should. These types of things comprise the intangible musicality of a synthesizer as an actual instrument, as opposed to just “what sounds can this synth make”. An OB-6 costs thousands more than a DeepMind. Whether that’s worth it depends on the player, and the gig. I think of synths as being like bicycles: the difference between a $500 bike and a $1500 bike can be profound, but then if you get a $5000 bike the differences become less obvious. They’re there, the more expensive bike is the better machine, but that $3500 premium is much less significant than the $1000 extra you paid for the $1500 bike. Maybe you can tell i have an OB-6. I also have many less-expensive synths that i love, but I turn to the OB more. It’s not because i paid more for it, but rather it is a trusted musical companion that just feels like a more refined machine. And as i said, nobody can ever convey that on KZbin.

[@StarskyCarr]

I tried with my prodigy vs grandmother.. I even went so far as to have random cards giving instructions on what to di with each knob ie random tweaking always sounds good (almost). I editted that bit out as it was going in far too long but it’s a nice idea to revive.

[@sircliff323]

awaiting the behringer ob comparison. one day

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha me too!! Bring it on ;)

[@X-101]

Fell in love with the OB-6 filter when it was released because someone did a vs a P6 and the OB-6 filter just sounded so much better to me, shame it's so expensive while you can get a DM12 secondhand for under 600 quid

[@nickcrider4309]

Moral of the story: Dont try OB 6 sounds on a DM12 (or vice versa). Gosh I want both of these boards. wonder which one I will get first...hmmmm, probably the one that a could buy 3 times over for the price of the other one...haha

[@ultraconchetsap]

OMG I was wanting this exact video from you mate ! Thanks

[@nickyates9820]

Love this video, it is a very nice comparison of the two machines. Ultimately it is hard to really tell the difference unless you are right there in person - but now I really do want to try the 2 side by side!

[@EchoKraft]

Love this ❤

[@MorbidManoeuvres]

Ob6 out shinning Berhingerrrr

[@ronnie_astro]

The notch filter is filterwise what distinguishes the ob-6 from any other synth. Personally i can’t cash out 3-4 times the price of the deepmind (which i own). I’ve bought myself a bx_oberhausen plugin which is a very good polyphonic recreation of the SEM. Bought mine on sale for $50,- but the original price is $249,-. Lot of money for a vst, but it emulates the sound of this filter in a very beautiful way. That notch filter modulation is something else and I understand why a lot of people like that sound (I do too). The arturia SEM can do it as well, but I can’t talk from experience with that synth unfortunately. Hope this helps some of you.

[@NinoCotonato]

ob6 is one of my alltime favorite synth... But Berhinger is coming with the Ub-Xa this year...

[@davidosolo]

Oh yes, I´ll jump on it as soon as it comes out.

[@iTsSdRaWkCaB]

How did you know its coming this year? Just curious, couldnt find any info myself

[@NinoCotonato]

@@iTsSdRaWkCaB This year or early 2020... The prototype are ready... Uli have only to estimate a production price... Isn't cheap as model d or odyssey... I think he cost like prologue 8 around 1100 euros...

[@julko28]

Maybe this year?

[@WithoutTroy]

Maybe next year

[@tear_808]

Unison on OB sounds absolutely amazing 😆

[@Жан.джазмен]

21:25 Joe Hisaishi Issao Tomita etc...

[@janpieternieman5295]

Which synth would be the most bang for your buck. the cobalt8x or the deepmind 12.

[@aphexish]

DM12 has Oscillator drift in its settings. Just wanted to mention that cause of what you said around 1:15

[@80ssynthfan48]

So given the different filters and qualities of the DM and OBs/Matrixes, would you say any attempt to recreate OB/Matrix sounds on the DM will ultimately be, well, not the best use of time? I know you've tried, but as you said it's not the same.

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah… it’s not really possible without the SEM style filter on those types of sounds where your using a blend of LP HP or notch, but with a bit of care and for sounds using the LP12 there’s enough to keep you busy.

[@sentokan]

very useful comparisons that we all need! U r da man! Thanks a lot!

[@flat5sharp11]

16:46 The reviewer doesn't understand what he's doing here. The DM12 's oscillators are in unison but are all set to start their phase on note on. To make a proper comparison they need to be switched to random phase start - the same as the OB6's.

[@StarskyCarr]

flat5sharp11 Good point, you’re quite right... I missed that. Shows how deep the DM12 goes. I made this after having played it for a few weeks.. it’s so flexible I was bound to miss something, no matter how hard I tried!! I did wonder why it was so different but could find the answer. I hope you enjoyed the rest of it though... ?? Maybe a thanks for the vid, but a point to note is that there’s a way around the phase issues you were having around 16:46 ... would have been a more reasonable approach? Just feels a little ungrateful :(

[@Жан.джазмен]

I heard prophet and moog, deepmind is the better middle way for all of these legends including Roland, i guess, just missing DX7 staff, TR and TB sequencers and, done, the synthwave set will be ready! Thank you by the videos!

[@williamshaneblyth]

The deepmind has a bunch of settings to introduce alot of drifting it can drift it's oscillators etc all over the place maki g it subtle or dramatic in a way no one could ever use

[@ericjohnson1811]

This is an excellent video. Thanks for posting!

[@dyscotopia]

I had a coffee for the first time in 5 years and impulsively ordered a deepmind 12. I wanted an analog poly and it seemed like the best deal.. Only later did I find that it's somewhat divisive. So I've been watching lots of vids as I await it's arrival. My interest is more unusual (but warm) ambient sounds, so I'm a little worried about the oscillators, tho I've heard some brilliant uses of what's there. I'm still undecided whether to return it... I might be better off wirh a blofeld or some other VA equipment. But from the first time I plugged in my Model D I felt the difference of analogue circuitry compared to what a good algorithm packaged in a VST can do

[@StarskyCarr]

Enjoy it…. Don’t worry, it’s a very decent synth, especially for the price. Watch my Juno106 vs the DM videos to see how capable it is. … plus a whole lot more. It’s divisive because it’s a Behringer. Not because of its capabilities or sound.

[@thegood9]

Interesting that the Deepmind has more of a continuous value change, and the OB6 has a "stepper" change on the controls. One would think the opposite should happen based on the cost.

[@AlainHubert]

Yes, you'd think that DSI (now called Sequential) would have evolved from the limited computer technology of the early eighties by now... 🙄

[@SPAZZOID100]

Jason Lee not steppy at all. Those are called HARMONICS.

[@cybernitemusic]

I love my dm12 it is seriously so easy to play nice stuff.... that said I think the ob6 is better. But the thing is, in a full mix I don’t think the difference is quite worth the cost of the ob6 for me. But if you can afford, get.

[@TheNimasan]

both synths are great. i love the free ios app to control the synth much more easier and set evrything ab. just sick!!! i own a dm 12 d and i really love it. but i would love to own an ob6 ,too!!

[@kekethetoad]

I think someday soon ACB style tech will be so good and ubiquitous that the modern analog trend will die off.

[@fjfrancois]

LOL 😆 yeah right a trend since the 70's

[@malkytrance]

Beautiful ones = Prince, them opening notes yes.

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha, Check out a fuller version I made using only softsynths. Sounds amazing (I was surprised how well it worked). Oberheim OB/SEM Softsynth comparison kzbin.info/www/bejne/o33Ul4V3nb96mKc

[@noisynois1670]

minuto 16.35 tienes los osciladores en reset,estan alineados por eso suena asi,esa textura del dsi ob6 se saca perfectamente y mucho mas contundente,sabes usar el deepmind?

[@Жан.джазмен]

see these comparisons, besides showing the versatility of Deepmind, gives us even more depth in the sound synthesis, thank you Sir.!

[@penbach]

Do you still have the deepmind 12?

[@StarskyCarr]

No it didn’t add anything to my current set up. I have A fair few polys - I tend to keep the ones that I can’t replicate with anything else - like the MONOpoly, 2600, CAT, WASP etc.

[@b.h.gargantua301]

Ok, some patches sound very similar. So what? A number of patches you compared, sound really strange or crappy on the DM12. OB6 always sounds incredibly good, rich, full of harmonics, superb low end, well balanced, sparcling resonance with the filter - all these independent of the pitch - that's the true value of the ob6.

[@StarskyCarr]

... exactly :)

[@b.h.gargantua301]

@@StarskyCarr There is another patch comparison between OB6 and Novation Peak on youtube by coyotesynth "Blind test: OB6 or Peak?" where he created 20+ patches. It was hardy possible to determine if it was from one or the other. One could come to the (wrong) conclusion: OB6=Peak=DM15=... Beside you released another video on youtube using a talkbox (digitech talker?) With the P6. "Single sawtooth...funky little vocoder" This was awesome and such a catchy (earworm) tune, i'll always remember! Cheers from Vienna, M

[@PhrygianPhrog]

You can compare similar things...and you can also compare dissimilar things :)

[@panicraptor2837]

Nice. Waiting for Behringers OB clone...

[@StarskyCarr]

Me too :)

[@Synthfidel]

An OB clone is coming? Take my money!

[@AlainHubert]

@@Synthfidel There is a UB-Xa that has been announced from Behringer about a year ago... Following their Model D (Minimoog D module clone which sounds indistinguishable from the real thing) I sure hope the OB-Xa clone becomes a reality.

[@danielsolomon63]

I like the DM but i think it struggles on the low register.

[@punkrockwithbubbles1041]

I own a deepmind but I still have to tip my hat to Dave.

[@esoteric6178]

There is definitely more low end on the ob6. Even the sawtooth.

[@HiLoMusic]

The effects on deepmind really makes it lose a lotta quality to me

[@StarskyCarr]

The effects are pretty good tbh, but I think people rely on them too much. The raw sound is good enough, the FX are more of a distraction to me.

[@AdamSpade]

Yeah I have a DM12 and I would say the fx in the patches are overly wet, but maybe the best fx of any poly out there. The raw sound of it is actually fantastic. Just not quite as big as the DSI stuff.

[@PedalScience]

If they were both made by Dave Smith / Sequential and the same price, which one would you guys buy?

[@Goettel]

The OB, if only for its more hands on approach. Menu diving is always a drag.

[@pekkagronfors7304]

The Deep Mind 12 must be the ultimate beginner analog polysynth.

[@markuskoivisto]

That or the minilogue, you can make solid arguments for both. Comed down to if you want the polyphony/key size and which you prefer the sound of.

[@savanaviolenta]

beginner synth?

[@AlrightParty]

Pekka Grönfors microkorg prolly

[@jarrod9052]

I have no luck with the the DM12 . Quality issues on the first one , returned it and my second has had issues as well . No more Behringer synths for me or at least not on the initial release

[@reginaldbowls7180]

@@jarrod9052 I've heard the opposite, that the initial releases are of a better quality (not including the DeepMind)

[@kahlilsmith5243]

U R a SynthGod

[@salvat5776]

Please compare OB6 to Prophet Rev 2

[@StarskyCarr]

I almost did - but had to send the Rev2 back as it had issues... Have you checked out my Prophet 6 vs Rev 2 comparison? It'd be very similar to this which is another reason I never got round to doing it when I had it - I wasn't sure how much it would add... still wish I had now!

[@salvat5776]

@@StarskyCarr I'm thinking about taking one of them, very different instruments but i need an analog poly in my setup which is gonna be the only one at the moment. The battle is between the character of the OB6 vs the many modulations and possibilities of the Rev2. What do you think about it?

[@StarskyCarr]

Salvatore Vitale if I only had one poly I’d go for the Rev2. I originally had the Pro8 and loved it. Sold it after getting the P6 and OB6. Was considering replacing both with the Rev2. I had a couple of issues with the voices that put me off in the end, but wouldn’t discount it because of them... I had run out of time to send it back!! Might consider it again in the future tbh.

[@BELLRECORDINGSTUDIO]

Quite impossible for me to understand if they sound close, it would be better to A/B patches instead of basic sounds. The same sound for both, the closer they can be programmed. Is very difficoult to hear for the dynamic of sound and some tiny differences that makes the big difference. I see the purpose is another. Thank you

[@StarskyCarr]

Are you being serious? On this I play different tones and generate the same patches on both, demonstrating how they differ patch by patch rather than individual oscillators 🤷‍♂️as I tweak each you can hear if and why they sound different. Not sure if you’re trolling or responding to the wrong video. This couldn’t be more of a side by side comparison. I’ll leave it there… if you can’t hear the differences or h set stand after watching this I can’t help sorry.

[@BELLRECORDINGSTUDIO]

@@StarskyCarr your comparison is well made and goes very deep into the functionality and sound of the two instruments. I am a very long time engineer and musician and i should have my ears trained. I have both vintage and Behringer synths and many bays of boutique gear, together wirh big Amphions etcetera, just to make you sure about my capabilities of hearing the differences. I'm sorry, i don't ment to offend. Just my point of view. I did not have the time to see the whole video, i needed something to just see if the thing can be used in a "pro' enviroinement or is a waste of money. Not just the sound is important for me but also, for example, the "ease" of use or, sometime, if the instrument is a "one trick pony" and last if it "inspires" me rather than being boaring. I'm finding for those answers in researching for other user's experiences and i was looking at your video just for a matter of sound as i decided already the instrument is "fine" for me. In order to answer to this question i was looking for someone who played only patches but i did not find any. I'm not a piano player, unfortunately! So i do not go as deep in programming as those who play keyboards and TO ME does not make sense to hear the difference in the Sine, Pulse and so on. I know you played patches too but when you need something "on the fly" to hear it side to side to more expensive instruments it takes time if you don't have exactly the same patches played with no stop. As i said, i know your pourpose is another. And is more "scientific". I hope mine is not taken as criticism. I know everybody puts so many work and passion in making videos and i can immagine the experience you have, also in playing your instruments. Is not my intent to criticize but is also difficoult to explain those thoughts in a short comment. Your video is GOOD and hepls a lot those who wants to go deep in the thing. To me it works better an A/B straight comparison. Sorry if i offended. Best whishes. Marco

[@BELLRECORDINGSTUDIO]

And i already have an OB 6!🤓😅

[@BELLRECORDINGSTUDIO]

I do a lot af comparisons when mixing or tracking to find for the best preamp or compressor to use. In order to get the difference is very, very important the loop or track or whatever you use is not too long, not too short and does not have variations, and than you go fro A to B without ANY other sound in between!!! Neither your voice!!! If not you can't get the difference of the gear you are trying to compare. This was the problem i tried to suggest. Sample used of part you play has to be something simple with no changes. The ears must concentrate on the sound of the gear. This happens even with very experienced ears.

[@BELLRECORDINGSTUDIO]

Yes, i saw you play same patches, is just to fast for me to catch the difference. It sound similar but i can't understand really. I need a few seconds of playing of one keyboard and than the same of the other. If you play single notes that fast i can't get it and, again, i'm playing my instrument since '89 and staying in front of a DAW since '96 every day of my life, running my studio, mixing at night, not sleeping, moving things everyday, tond of hardware, drums and heavy amps, connecting cables and all sort of it like many people so please, please, consider mine as a point of view of someone who makes this as a job and not as a game, as i guess you do... i hope you get the point...

[@newmusicmachine]

This was great! They both have such a character of their own. Honestly I just finished watching this a second time, only this time I had head phones. The OB6 just has the sound and low end that the Deepmind doesn't. It's a great instrument. Although that Deepmind is a great machine and has a sound all its own. Thanks for doing this and I can't wait for the next one.

[@alieustiansamateh6401]

Wow, love both 🤩

[@rhodes1232]

Have you had a chance to test a Modal 008? Any thoughts on the 008?

[@StarskyCarr]

I've only played it once - at Synthfest UK. It felt like a quality instrument and sounded great... but I've not had one in the studio to give any real insight.

[@somonerandom706]

Hey I have a problem with my deep mind and I'm really new to the synth scene so sorry if this is dumb, but my pitch bend wheel is out of tune and it is about a cent sharp and when it is idle it is sharp and to make the pitch in tune I have slightly pull down on the pitch wheel, any ideas?

[@StarskyCarr]

Have you checked the tuning in the Global Tune (found using the POLY EDIT switch) transpose and Global tune should be set at 0. If they are, try recalibrating the voices (page 34 of the manual).

[@somonerandom706]

@@StarskyCarr I'm definitely in the right direction now! I really appreciate it! Great video too! Your knowledge is awesome!

[@BillyBatsonMarvel]

Cool! The DeepMind is a poor man's OB6.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Not even close.

[@rikardland7423]

Thanks! 👍🏻

[@thegimpsometimes5937]

Gerth

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

There is absolutely nothing about the OB-6 that in any way justifies it being 4X the price of the DM. Crazy. For the price of the OB-6 you could buy 3X synth modules in a Rack that give much more modulation, features, sound, etc. Example you could put a DM module, and a Novation Peak, and still leave a 3rd option for something like a Moog mother for a 3rd, or the DM, the Peak, and 2X Behringers equivalent of one of the Moog mothers, which sounded pretty much identical on your video of them. This OB-6 pricing simply doesn't make any sense in that scenario. Anyways loving your channel, extremely well done, very interesting and informative, Congrats on the channel and your work. Subscribed and look forward to watching more. Cheers.

[@ionianechoes]

If you don't notice the difference in sound...then yes you are lucky, get the cheap one but the downside is you might want to improve your hearing.

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

@@ionianechoes Its not about the just the sound difference which by the way there isn't that much in it, it's more about capabilities. For less the price of this synth costs, you could purchase 3X modules that will give you much more tonal and modulation and everything else to go with it that goes far beyond this synths capabilities..and sound. You would be purchasing the Inferior sound. But it your happy with spending more for much less and lesser sound then you might want to improve your knowledge of anolog hardware. Sound wise both tonaly and sonically this synth simply cannot compete, not even close to a 3X minimum cheaper anolog rack module set up...hence it's overpriced. It's a good synth, but it's overpriced for what it is compared to what can be got for less money.

[@skeletonmodel]

@@maydaygoingdown5602 Maybe.. I'm one of the idiots that paid this much. After having had a Deepmind for a few years. For me personally, I could not get past the thinner base-sound of the Deepmind. Opening the filter has this grainy, ratty texture. I don't know, maybe it's in my head, but it needed a lot of effects to dial that out. Which it has ofcourse. I considered the Rev-2, but that also (for me personally) has some spots opening up the filter that I don't like. For me, everything on the OB-6 sounds great. Doesn't matter what I dial in, it sounds great to me. I have a Model D for basses and a Typhon for more experimental things, so I'm lucky, but to me it's worth knowing that I have a synth that can do everything I want. Maybe not for everyone, but in my experience (with guitars) you can get cheaper ones that half do what you want, and get annoyed, lose money selling them etc. If this synth does not do everything you want/need, it's not worth it. I get it. For me though, I was done buying synths after this beast. That's worth it to me

[@jasonmcgary]

The ob6 still retains a high used market price where the deepmind is almost given away these days.

[@skunchtv]

hmmm.. excite, EQ the deepmind and you get an OB6? at the end of the day.. the DM just sounds... cheaper.

[@amanray]

Deepmind sounds more confused and I just listened on my crappy loudspeaker's computer

[@mymockumentary9716]

8 very important people disliked your video, be scared, they may report you for being too cool

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha... 😎

[@MadelnMachines]

I was really impressed with the deepmind until I heard the slop and detune. What's up with it? It sounds broken. I've never heard that on a synth before. 16:50

[@marcosantacruz9086]

It's literally a detune for the 12 voices. Usually brings the audible volume down due to phase cancellation? (not sure if this is correct). It can be used way past it's usable/audible enjoyment, but with some resonance can give some cool 303 sounding noises. Just another tool, I think if not pushed past a certain point it can add "harmonics", again not sure if that's the correct word to use.

[@skeletonmodel]

It really depends. Form what I remember, for Unison you can menudive and select how many voices are used. The default setting on the Deepmind is that Key Reset is off. So all oscillators are free running and can cancel eachother out, giving volume drops. You can enable Key reset so each voice starts every key, but that will take away the more organic feel. There is not really a middle ground unfortunately I found

[@rembrandvandooren8027]

I dont like them both :( the reason is: I have the Oberheim OBXa, blows away even a minimoog..... :pµ

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha... show off :)

[@anoniconoclast2030]

SO true but only if its been fully overhauled.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Rembrand Van Dooren ???????

[@anoniconoclast2030]

@@SPAZZOID100 Obxa's blow away even a Prophet 5. But you seem more like a Jupiter 6 kind of lad.

[@CaidicusProductions]

Maybe I just spend too much time chatting with synth-snobs, but I wouldn't even consider buying a Behringer. I feel like the right synth for me needs to be a certain level of premium, while Behringer appears to always try to hit the lowest cost possible. Then there's their tendency to clone other gear and I just can't bring myself to see any value in it.

[@Renzsu]

Nothing wrong with cloning gear that's not being made anymore or has priced itself out of the hands of those on a budget on the used market.

[@CaidicusProductions]

@@Renzsu hey, I don't disagree with you, it's just how my brain works and why I don't personally like Behringer. I'm fully aware of this only being limited to my own personal point of view. :P I hope that makes sense.

[@Renzsu]

@@CaidicusProductions And I fully understand your point, I'm a product designer, so I'm all too aware of what it feels like to have your work ripped off by others ;) But I feel Behringer are doing it respectfully (they're not doing 1:1 copies and they always mention the original synths in their interviews), and they're not copying the latest hardware. Sometimes a market is just begging to be disrupted, just to get everybody to wake up and pay attention again. I feel Behringer play that role at the moment. I might be wrong, but I feel their approach interests new people into the market and that can only be a good thing in the long run.

[@CaidicusProductions]

@@Renzsu I hadn't really thought of it like that, so I appreciate the expanded perspective. Any specific Behringer synth you'd recommend I take a look at, one that has a very "this is Behringer" look or sound to it?

[@Renzsu]

I dunno man, I'm looking to purchase my first synth so I'm hardly the one to take buying advice from lol. I'm just doing a LOT of research and finding that a lot of synths that I lust after are out of my price range and that Behringer (whilst not as premium or unique, like you mention) are a nice option for newcomers like me. For someone with a limited budget, you also have to consider stuff like warranty and purchasing new vs. paying more for the original used. Then again, the used option will probably hold value better. Btw, I'm not trying to be their business ambassador ;) I'm also looking at a Minilogue, but want to try them both before I make a decision.

[@SPAZZOID100]

The DM12 has more features but lacks the HUGE sonic character of the OB6.

[@anoniconoclast2030]

Just get a Jupiter 6

[@noobslayerr9732]

Ob6 is simply emotional feeling touching its keys. The dm is just another clone..but hey for 4x cheaper it dont sound that bad. Not as raw either tho...

[@Goettel]

The DM is no clone.

[@samjones714]

Weird comparison, why comparing the worst polysynth with the best

[@StarskyCarr]

It might be weird at first glance, but I'm not pitching one against the other. It's really so anyone who's not had the opportunity to play with both side by side can get a feel for how they sound, and why some folks consider one to be the worst and one the best.

[@camlong89]

Let these anti-behringer goofs spend all their money on overpriced synths. More excellent, affordable synths for us. You could buy a Behringer D and Neutron and reverb pedal for the cost of a Moog Subsequent 25.

[@weave_of_k]

@@camlong89 You get what you pay for. No matter how much you want to convince yourself otherwise it'll always be true.