Deepmind vs Juno 106 Part 2: Free patches - No talking

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A short compilation of new sounds I created when making my previous comparison video that didn't make it into the final cut.
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• From The Studio
You can download most of the patches to try for yourself on the Deepmind (I lost some when playing around with the editor!)
www.dropbox.co...
Not sure where they're stored on a PC but in a Mac they're hidden here:
in Mac HD/Users/username/Library/PHAT12/banks
On Windows the editor saves the patches to C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\PHAT12\banks
Also I've added a couple of suggestions from the comments, such as Mr Fingers style bass.
There are some subs to help explain what I've done as a guide to doing similar yourself.
Hope someone finds it useful.... :)

[@thegimpsometimes5937]

You're doing the Lords work, Starsky.

[@markjeffery3237]

John Lord's work

[@exiles_dot_tv]

3:40 I thought some Tame Impala was about to kick in!

[@Jeremy-fo9it]

Let it happen!

[@prodstuntman]

Even without considering the comparison this is a great demo. Satisfying progressions and playing style with great sound selection

[@longfade]

LOVE your videos. I know it's a lot of work and largely thankless, but I hope you keep at it for a while. You have great ears and really know your gear, so for me it's always educational seeing your comparison vids. I don't think many of us would be able to match those sounds up as easily as you make it look.

[@gulagwithahumanface4471]

IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WAS JACK, AND JACK HAD A GROOVE

[@StarskyCarr]

In my house there is only house music

[@josephwright5921]

Fun video. I couldn’t tell a significant difference between the two. The way i look at it, the DeepMind gives you way more modulation options, a killer arpeggiator and effects, plus the electronics are going to be a lot more stable than a 25 year old Juno 106 with dying chip problems.

[@derekbaker3279]

If the Behringer synth parts are part of a busy mix, or Behringer is being played live, then, yes, for the patches show in Part 1 & Part 2 of this comparison, l there isn't a significant difference between the Juno 106 & the Behringer. However, I do wonder if the Behringer can be tweaked sufficiently to be 'close enough' with all of the Juno 106 presets & with most or all iconic patches that appeared in well-known songs. As for the dying voice chips; that is caused by a protective lacquer on each chip that broke down over time due to heat from the chip. The products of the breakdown (but not the original lacquer) are able to conduct electricity, so it was inevitable that the voice chips would short-out & fail. Also, until someone discovered that cause, replacement chips would also fail. Now, one can purchase voice chips without the lacquer, or (if the owner is brave enough) the lacquer can be dissolved using a specific solvent, then the voice chip re-installed. The bottom line is that the dying voice chip problem is no longer needs to be an issue. 🙂

[@jarrod9052]

Derek Baker is having that repair done expensive? I have the DM12 but still would like the Juno for the simplicity

[@Noone-of-your-Business]

Just switched to a different tab to check out the price this baby is being sold for. And no, I was not able to hear that the sound is coming from two different machines, much less which is from which. Extremely impressive!

[@warrentriantafelo5326]

Love it! If you aren't sick of the Juno and Deepmind yet, I think the factory presets of the Juno programmed on the Deepmind made by a person who has both synths would be really useful for the community of Deepmind owners.

[@Fraudemusic]

Check out a channel called Jorb 👍🏻

[@DangerAmbrose]

Jorb

[@Zer0Gauss]

i like your comparission, especially because of the fine old Detroit melodies... Playing that precious vinyl right now, Nite and Da! Thanks

[@skyreadersociety6183]

the DM's are detroit machines :-)

[@toddthomas4761]

Thank you for doing this! I miss my Juno 106 and 60 - these comparisons are amazing. Deepmind is my next purchase!!!

[@DopamineOverload]

Your comparison videos such as this are GOLD for people on the fence about Deepmind or basically any synth you compare. Who the hell needs a Juno-106 when the Deepmind can do all of that plus have tons of effects the Juno-106 doesn't? The Deepmind is DOPE. Thanks again for such QUALITY content!

[@DopamineOverload]

@ghost mall totally agree. Had DM two years ago. Juno-106 still king. Sadly out of my price range. I use the TAL UnoLX2 plugin. Satisfied soundwise. 😊

[@alfiedotwtf]

I bought the OB-6 because of you, and now the DeepMind. Damn you!

[@watchmeasifly]

Thanks for taking the effort to make this video, and the last one comparing DM12 and J106. Suuper high quality and I love that you don't get mired into the social media debate about behringer vs. roland vs. etc etc etc. Just great and so useful. I learned more with these videos about my DM12 than I have with a lot of others and reading materials. Cheers.

[@denoiser]

Unbitable chorus on 106. Imho more 'watery' spread thanks to a bit of phase shifting makes almost only major sounding difference. Also, dm could use a bit more of low mids. But for that price... it's perfect. Great demo!

[@ronnie_astro]

Have the deepmind 6 for about a week now and I absolutely LOVE it! This video makes me love it even more! 🍀🤯

[@superikone]

Thanks for making my Deepmind 12 my own Juno. :-) This sounds great.

[@andyanderson6455]

Wow, great job!, they are so insanely close- the DM12 has more wider voicing spread OB ish but with the Roland tone love it!

[@gregoryscott3858]

Man, thank you so much for doing these comparison vids, yours are hands down the most comprehensive, detailed, and well-rounded. If I could make one request it'd be to spend a bit more time with the filters mostly or fully open, IME the most critical differences in the tone of vintage vs. remakes is in the buzz/air. Usually the older synths have more energy and/or a sweeter texture to the highest harmonics, giving them a more present, sparkling/crackling sound. This is 10x true if the remake is digital, like the Rolands.

[@turqoizehexagonsun]

You really do make the best synth videos on youtube

[@DadoSimicStudiostriver]

People will think warmer sound is always better, but clearly without a bite warm sound tend to get duller and more dead overall in the mix.

[@drstupid1]

This is such a good video. The sound is so soothing and u really know how to play. Great comparison.

[@markfennah4322]

Brilliant videos Starsky - art and science combined 😊 Makes me want to buy one now Thank you for posting

[@METAMORA6329]

That 106 chorus is amazing! Love your comparisons 🤗

[@ewanstefani]

Juno-106 has more bottom end - using the BOOST switch on the DM12 might help with this (although it seems to be on in some of these examples). But otherwise they are very close. Likely that you'd want to EQ some of the low-mid out of the mix anyway. And the extra 6 voices makes up for any small differences in the sound.

[@jmitmusic]

Fantastic video! I'm very close to buying a DM12 but that Juno just sounds so deep and warm...

[@theoriginalheartstrummer]

What did you get? I got a juno 106 and it was incredible to hear in person. I only had experience with soft synths before it and no matter what anyone says, no soft synth comes close to a real vintage analogue. It literally was the same as the difference between a piano and a software piano. I didn't compare it to a deepmind though and now that I want more versatility I'm back looking at the deepmind to see if it will really compare.

[@PierGen]

This DM 12 is amazing

[@poneymagik1337]

Thanks a lot for sharing dude, amazing work !

[@ErdemYildirim_]

I think Behringer did a great job by making DM12. Its very close to Juno but not a clone. That is their first analog synth. Maybe they will consider about changing osc’s for better ones in the future products...

[@AdamTheAd-vanc3d]

Loved the opening patch Starsky. Larry Heard in the H.O.U.S.E !!!. I continue to watch..................

[@Pulse2AM]

Thanks for the video! The Juno is more lush, a bit fuller but in a track you probably wouldn't miss it using the Behringer.

[@jakobmusic9187]

not much to say, just this: you're my hero.

[@mono6839]

Fine comparison , thank u again ! Hope we can hear some more patch comparisons of DM and OB6 and if u have one DM and Juno 6\60 :) i love my two Deepminds , cant wait for the ubxa ! Wonderfull times for Synth lovers ;)

[@synthartist69]

I like the simplicity of the 106. The great thing for me with the 106 is that I can move a few sliders and get the sound I want, no menu diving. No chorus adjustment, just hit the button and BAM instant gratification! This allows me to get right down to playing the music I love. I am however looking forward to future Behringer synths.... UBXA.. Behupiter 8 and more.

[@savanaviolenta]

Yeah ok, fair enough, but the DM12 can do much more.

[@Жан.джазмен]

Just thank you Master, with honor and respect!

[@glenesis]

Thank you sir! Very cool! I'm excited to disect em ;)

[@jmcbeady8210]

Excellent work 👏!

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks 😀

[@bensimmons8004]

Would it be possible for you to make some sort of demo video on downloading your patches? I'm obsessed but can't seem to figure it out. I've downloaded the files and I send them through SysEx Librarian to send them to bank C on the Deepmind but they aren't seeming to appear so if you have anything to help me out on that I would be forever grateful!

[@RetropUk]

Great job. Thanks once again.

[@LesterH25]

You know when you see identical twin sisters but you just seem to be drawn to one of them no matter what. Great video once again. Btw. It’s the one that was born first.

[@adventureswithsteve2981]

Thanks for the patches , DM6 delivery on wed , cant wait to compare the dm6 with your video

[@bomiller7908]

I love my deepmind. Just add the free Tal Chorus plugin and call it a day :).

[@audiolego]

Oh yeah I like that plugin.

[@SupraBow]

On a blind test I actually liked some of the DM sounds more. I don't know if it is blasphemous, but that's how I felt, lol.

[@StarskyCarr]

Shhh! :)

[@jurikonradi8941]

great! thank you a lot!

[@blandee]

Great video ..and these patches are FIRE ! thanks !

[@freddie_video]

I've intoxicated at PWM pad. I love it!

[@AlainHubert]

Man ! What a great video ! Since I got my Propher REV2 I had put the DM12 back in its box, but you're starting to make me have second thoughts about that... Thanks for sharing.

[@josephwright5921]

Get the patch banks by AnalogAudio1 and Geosynths and you will have a deeper appreciation of what the DeepMind can do . . .

[@AlainHubert]

@@josephwright5921 I have bought the excellent patch set by GEOSynths for the DM12, and have enjoyed it. And I've also programmed patches myself. But the truth is that, this synth is a 12 voice Juno 106. A single DCO per voice synth. But if you want to have a two DCO per voice, you can by using the Unison-2 mode, which brings the whole machine down to a 6 voice synth. I already have a 6 voice synth, with 2 VCOs per voice, the amazing sounding DSI OB6. So I don't really need the DeepMind 12. So that's why it's in its box right now.

[@tonedeath8631]

Why buy patches ? Just programme your own

[@AlainHubert]

@@tonedeath8631 I also do that, but it's not always easy to come up with exactly what I'm looking for. It takes time and a lot of efforts. And sometimes others can have good ideas for patches that I wouldn't have had. Mostly I buy patch sets to replace factory presets which are almost always bad or unpolished. And I'd rather concentrate on making music, not program patches.

[@danielepizzuele7083]

How could you have done this?? I can't stay 2 days without playing my DM. It's doping!

[@mono6839]

Thx for making the 2. Part !!! Great Job !!

[@Calicolive]

love your videos, thanks for putting this together!

[@theglovefactory]

so good! thx

[@ploytuell1332]

The Deepmind is a surprising good sounding synth. Didnt have that much low end like the Juno but hey - look at the price tag! 499€ for the 6 voice version!

[@MrCaliforniaD]

Gotta love those blinding blue LEDs!

[@thaneco]

Very good video. The Deepmind is a great synth!

[@carl156]

I nailed the original mr fingers bass using the Juno-6

[@ULTIMATEPATCHES]

Nice! It should sound pretty spot on, because Larry used a Juno-60 to make that patch.

[@sudanjackson]

Brother, I really love your videos. And I have a high appreciation for the work that goes into creating such content. With that said, I hope my comment doesn't come across the wrong way :) I think these new retro-synths are amazing - all of them. I'm a child of the 70s and 80s - and fondly remember making music on some really cool vintage machines like the Korg DW 8000, the DX7, and drooling over an OB 8. And although it's fun to recreate those sounds for the sake of nostalgia - I say: why not use the new machines to just create something new. Sure comparing them sound for sound, register for register, etc. is an interesting exercise - but the real magic comes from creating something we haven't heard before :-) Not at all me putting down what you've done here. Just something that's been on my my for a long time :-) Keep on doin' what'cher doin'. Thanks a lot.

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks, no worries I know what you’re saying. I like making the little demo tracks with them to show what they can do - I really enjoy sitting for hours noodling away. But to be perfectly honest for KZbin people are more interested in how it sounds compared to...xx or how to use it. The quick demos get a lot of views as they show what the synths can do... if I uploaded just synth based tracks I’d have to be up there with the synth gods for anyone to bother watching!

[@fincorrigan7139]

@ S Jackson If you're interested in a comprehensive look at the DM12's other capabilities I would suggest having a look at a KZbin channel call GEOsynths by Jamie Morden. He's a professional patch creator (not that Starsky couldn't achieve the same results if he wanted to - he easily could, but this video is outside that scope) and the GEOsynth channel provides a broad spectrum of what this synth can do. It is very impressive. Hope you enjoy it.

[@Ceedubbya]

Incredible! Thank you!!!

[@0e0]

thta chorus update idea would be great..have you contacted Behringer about it?

[@maxmartinez6430]

might have to sell the Juno-106 and get this. I love the 12 note polyphony and dual LFO's.

[@josephwright5921]

I prefer my DM over my old Juno 106. The arpeggiator and effects are powerful

[@maxmartinez6430]

I thought people would flame me for that comment at least I know I'm not crazy. I just gotta fix one voice chip and it's all good.

[@JT-qc2nb]

Did you sell it? I'm considering selling my Juno 106 and Rev2 for the DM.

[@maxmartinez6430]

Yeah I sold it. This unit is way more flexible. It sounds very close. I think the 106 was a little more bass heavy.@@JT-qc2nb

[@florianinside5666]

Hello Starsky, thank you so much for sharing your patches. Tomorrow i try to load them into the D'mind. So curious :-)

[@StarskyCarr]

Hope you find them useful.

[@alieustiansamateh6401]

Both is sweet, but it's more umf and power in the juno to my ears . Thanks for the demo! 🙂👍🏽

[@uvoikimovundutrauerblume3302]

Its because you use your eyes and watching the name Roland nothing more another option go to the doctor and check your ears

[@Fraudemusic]

The DM12 is so close to the 106 and an absolutely insane bargain. But man, there’s just something about a real JUNO

[@ogasi1798]

proper job youth well in!

[@valley_robot]

OGASI Nottingham lad?

[@DoctorJRx]

you got so much toys Starsky !!

[@TheEmperorMachine]

This is a great comparison :-)

[@dreamfrequency6622]

Awesome dude !! keep up the great channel big love form Dream Frequency ;)

[@b2zap665]

The deepmind 12 really punches well above its weight class. Got mine used for $550 but this thing would still be worth it at double that price. Really blows any other analog gear near its price range out of the water.

[@simonprecheurllarena]

It's crazy how you can tell the Juno just sounds better. I was doing something else with this video in the background, and each time a lush and beautiful sound made me be like "Uh, what's this?" It happened to be the Juno each time. It has more depth, grit, and warmth. Somehow the DeepMind sounds too "perfect" and digital, relies too much on digital effects imo. The Deepmind doesn't quite come close to the analog Chorus I in the Juno.

[@RoHen-pw5ol]

Take the analogue Chorus away & they sound pretty much the same. I have an analogue chrus for the Deepmind, and it soubds near identical :)

[@derekbaker3279]

This is excellent Starsky Carr! Thanks for doing both Part 1 & Part 2 of the comparison between a real Juno 106 & a Behringer Deep Mind 12. A question for you Starsky Carr: Given what you know about the Deep Mind's architecture, as well as the design of Roland's classic vintage synths, would it be possible for the Deep Mind to get equally close to the sounds of Roland's other famous synths (e.g. in the Jupiter series, the JX series, and other Junos)? Thanks!

[@StarskyCarr]

That’s a tough one. The JX8p would be closest - I think the filter is more similar - the JX3P filter is more like the 106. The Jupiter has x-mod which the alpha can’t touch, but generally they all have that Roland flavour.

[@ThePlayers73]

Very nice,you are Big!

[@RayyMusik]

After 1:22 I got distracted by frequent earthquakes. 🙃

[@ericpeters0n]

Once I could hear the difference, I couldn't *un-hear* it. There's such a nice midrange solidity/definition in the 106... the DM sounds slightly 'tubey' and hollow in a way the 106 doesn't. The DM sounds great! --but there's just something about the 106....

[@caresseofficial6741]

a price..... hahaha

[@slumberknut]

Nice to listen to in the background while browsing! :)

[@freddiesamples]

Superb demo! The Deepmind 12 is a very good synth and does the Juno 106 almost. I will keep my Deepmind 12 but a Juno 106 is on the way and the should compliment one another using the Deepminds arp. The Juno 106 simple setup just gets the sound.

[@pervilhelm2375]

Hi Starsky. Great sounds ;-) Just curious. What bank will the sounds load into?

[@StarskyCarr]

They should appear where the new banks appear in the editor. Try making a New Bank yourself and copying a couple of patches over to it - rename it by clicking and holding on the name. .. then check where it's stored. If you're using a mac check the location in the description above. Once you've copied this bank into the same location you should see both your own new bank and the StarskyCarr bank below the DM RAM banks in the editor. Fingers crossed anyway!

[@florianinside5666]

On Windows the editor saves the patches to C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\PHAT12\banks

[@StarskyCarr]

@@florianinside5666 Thanks - I've added that to the description

[@jfmoulinmusic]

super! thx!

[@Kyle-wb7wx]

I can honestly hear the difference between the two. They are slight but the Juno sounds better in my opinion. The Juno has a snappier high end with cleaner harmonic tones in the mids to high frequency ranges.

[@StarskyCarr]

Yeah, there’s a definite difference between them, it if you’ve the DM and want to get some patches close to the Juno it should help... hopefully !! :)

[@anthonypocetti]

These patches are dynamite!

[@RoomAtTheTopStudio]

You are messing with my Moog One money. I've put off getting the Deepmind 12 for so long and now with the price being so cheap and these demo's I'm going to have to get one for my xmas present to myself and miss a month off my savings for the Moog One. It's your fault lol

[@StarskyCarr]

Hah... oh no - such a heavy burden on my shoulders. Surely it’ll only set you back a week or so!!

[@apoclypse]

The low end on some of those patches is where the DM12 seems to fail compared to the Juno and the chorus doesn’t really do it for me on the DM12 otherwise it’s a great. I’m glad I bought mine.

[@savanaviolenta]

DM12 was initially planned to be a Juno 106 recreation, but the developers went further and made it to be its own thing. I don't think DM12 fails in anything. It's a great synth and there are more expensive synths that can't touch it. So...

[@josephwright5921]

Do you have any other Patches you are willing to share? I enjoy sifting through other people’s patches in addition to making my own. Everyone seems to have a different approach to programming and usually creates a few interesting ones.

[@NativeEarthlingAI]

Thx!

[@MadelnMachines]

I'm really impressed by how nice the deepmind can sound. What are your thoughts on the rev 2 vs the deepmind? The rev 2 offers a hell of a lot more in terms of modulation and features but what about the sound? Do you ever find it's extremely necessary / useful to have 3 envelopes and 4 lfos or is it really overkill? Gives you a lot of potential but is it musically useful?

[@StarskyCarr]

That’s a good question... I have used 4 LFOs on the but I could cope with less. Normally it was to add some slop on the P8. The increased slop on the Rev 2 sorts this out anyway. They’re good for evolving pads. I don’t think you can really compare the DM with the Rev2 because of the different oscillators . The rev 2 is more flexible there - and almost double the price for the 8 voice and another £500 on top of that for the 16 voice plus additional for the editor. Behringer probably realised they didn’t want to occupy the same space as the P8/Rev2 and Peak, so stayed with an enhanced 106 at extremely good value.

[@MadelnMachines]

Some really great patches (really love the last few minutes) - Do you make music in this style? I don't know what you'd call it - synth wave? I Can you limit the DM12 to 6 voices? Seems like quite a nice effect on the Juno when it runs out of voices. Part of the reason I ask about modulation is i'm massively impressed spec wise with the moog one in theory. There seems like there's no other poly that can even start to come close to its modulation. Sound wise I haven't been particularly wowed by anything I've heard though - sounds good but not massively better than anything I've heard from synths before. I'm wondering if all of the modulations is really overkill. The closest in terms of mod capabilities for a poly synth is probably the Rev 2. I'm not sure if it's worth the money really but i've very temped by it. Seems like a synth you could create anything you could ever imagine on in theory. I haven't heard anything particularly new from it though so I don't know if that is just theoretical. Kind of like modular where people seem to mostly either make unmusical blips and bloops / noise or make something you could easily accomplish with a regular synth like a P6 or OB6. I have been wondering whether I should get an OB6 - love the sound but it seems really weak on modulation options.

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks, but no it's not what I'd record... just noodling about here. You can limit the DM12 to 8 or 6 voices, along with the envelope curves means it's really flexible. Rev2 is amazingly flexible on modulation, much more so than the OB6. If modulation is your thing the P8, Rev2 or DM are good options. I'm more comfortable with the Rev2/P8 workflow tbh, they're more knobby which means more instant. A couple of years ago I made a video showing the P8 doing modular style drone with leaps etc. Sounds very much like the blips and bloops you get from some modular demos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3qtiZiugZmHna8

[@MadelnMachines]

@@StarskyCarr Does the deepmind have a lot of menu diving for modulation and various settings? I know of assumed it was a very intant knob per function type deal. Is it not? The P8 I didn't really get on with the menu / modulation assignment side of things but from what I can see the rev 2 is much better.

[@StarskyCarr]

Yes the rev 2 is easier than the P8, less scrolling. To access the modulation on DM just push the Mod button. You do, however, have to scroll through the options - 135 in total - but using the app should be easier. The deeper anything goes, the more options and menus so its a trade off between the 2. What I found most difficult to get used to was one set of env sliders - it's hard to tweak if you change from VCA to VCF and they're using different settings.

[@sphenesounds]

Hello mate great work with these patches, ive tried installing them with Elektron C6 which seems to upload other Sysex patches fine to my Deepmind6 but your patches don't seem to work?

[@ebeep]

That Deepmind sounds fantastic! Unfortunately, I am a Juno 106 owner. Happen to have any of these patches for the Juno? Thanks!

[@nebaunnmanhattan]

Juno is slightly deeper in its sound. Slightly.

[@TheHitchcockBlues]

This is a lovely showcase of sounds. I’m curious to know what kind of programming is involved on the Deepmind? Everyone talks about menu diving but on the front panel there is enough functionality to match the Juno sounds without extensive menu diving I’m thinking? Apart from the effects?

[@StarskyCarr]

It’s only when you start using all the various additional option - like FX, modulation, different envelopes/No of voices etc etc that it becomes pretty intensive menu diving. If you don’t dig that deep (like the using a Juno) you can still get a lot out of it. There’s always the editors to make things easier.

[@TheHitchcockBlues]

@@StarskyCarr awesome thanks for the reply!

[@TheHitchcockBlues]

So most of these sounds were created using the front panel sliders?

[@StarskyCarr]

@@TheHitchcockBlues pretty much. I tweaked the chorus, and set it up to act like a Juno 106 - watch my other video to see how to do that - basically just limit the range of sliders etc. But overall yes. The other video is called: Deepmind 12 vs Juno 106: How to get similar tones

[@TheHitchcockBlues]

@@StarskyCarr I just stunned upon it funnily enough it explains everything perfectly! Thanks so much

[@ELEVATETHESKY]

Hi Starsky. Thank you for the Patches. Oddly when I open Phat12 it is empty. Not sure what I did wrong.

[@OmarBonifacino]

Hi i love deep mind

[@pierrete8449]

Hi ! your video si really impressive ! Just one question : i ask myself to buy the Behringer Deepmind 6, but i can not try it.. Do you think i can buy it just by seeing videos ? Btw, i play ambient, deep and dub techno and i want a synth comparable to juno for deep and warm pads, dubby sounds and melodies :) Thank you in advance !! :) :) from FR 🇫🇷

[@pierrete8449]

Oh also, i can buy the Roland Ju-06A with the Arturia Keystep, but maybe there is more possibilities with the Behringer.. Don't know if it's more interesting to buy the deepmind than the JU-06A

[@StarskyCarr]

The ju06a will be closer to the original and be easier to use but the Behringer has more sound design possibilities, plus a huge range of FX and the apps to control it all. For deep dub and techno you’ll definitely need some FX so plan them into your system. If you buy from someone like Thomann you have the option to return it if it doesn’t suit your needs. If you’re REALLY into the Roland sound then go with the Ju - if you want some more flexibility maybe the Deepmind. :)

[@pierrete8449]

@@StarskyCarr Hi, I think the Deepmind propose more sound design, thing what i'm looking for. Thank you a lot for your answer, you help me :)

[@JustAnotherPandaBear]

I own a DM12 and love it, but the Juno is much more crisp a sounds a bit more "in your face". The DM12 is more versatile and a great all around synth for the money. I'd imagine one day I'll own both.

[@RoyChartier]

Juno 106 in the first round.

[@ThatJerseyBloke]

I wanted to really like the Deepmind but man, there is so much going on under the hood that it really turned me off to it. The simplicity and great sound of the Juno 60/106 is a big part of its' charm as an instrument. I really hope Behringer implements a simple or "authentic" mode that streamlines the Deepminds functions to most closely mimic a Juno 60/106.

[@Charles-iu9uh]

except it's NOT a juno lol. And the menu is pretty simple. I have never heard anyone complain that a synth has too much. You can get great sounds barely going "under the hood" but when you do, the sounds you started with become elevated. Do you own a deepmind? I feel like you are just going off what everyone else has said but it is a really solid synth and you can now get a used deepmind 12 for sub 500$ if you look hard enough

[@ThatJerseyBloke]

@@Charles-iu9uh No I do not own a Deepmind but I've tried to like it several times in my local music stores and events. I bought the Korg Prologue instead . Reconsidered it as I have 6RU of unused rack space but again, I went for the Hydrasynth instead. Simply put, I just don't think it's for me.

[@danielepizzuele7083]

I hope not. I like my DM as is. The only thing i want is a numeric keypad to select patches faster

[@mtate]

Do you still have the deepmind? If so do you have any thoughts on build quality, etc?

[@NinoCotonato]

When dm come out i try it and say ... Mhe. I think preser are to wet of effects... But now with some patch here on youtube i think he is one of the best modern synth on the market.

[@evildead2002]

Amazing. As a bit of a noob with programming patches, what do most of these start off as?

[@StarskyCarr]

I start all of these as an initialised patch. It's only a few tweaks here and there to get most 'standard' sounds. Once you start playing with the interactions between the envelopes and filter it'll comes to you pretty quickly.

[@evildead2002]

Starsky Carr Thanks for replying! I’ll have to practice a bit more, got the basics down just usually it still sounds like a saw/square lol.

[@lordlollops1]

Love that crunchy sound at 2.00 , what settings are used for the patch . thanks

[@StarskyCarr]

If you download the file in the description it’s a basic PWM sound. I think the settings are ‘live’ on the video. Set Osc 1 to pulse only, modulated by LFO1.

[@lordlollops1]

@@StarskyCarr Will do thank you very much

[@wjniemi]

I have the 106 I bought new in '84. Other than having to replace a VCF chip it has been very dependable and it was roaded hard. If I were playing out these days I'd use a controller and a laptop loaded with soft synths. I like the hardware, I just don't like carrying it around. I have 14 hardware synths in the studio and none of them can touch UVI Falcon. Still love the Juno, tho. It has a vibe. You put a lot of work into this. Nicely done. I'm really enjoying my Arturia Arp 2600 and Modular V, you might like those too. I took a college class on a 2600 in 1971. Arturia did an awesome job on both of those emulators. Better than the real thing, and only $149 at present.

[@padmad3k63]

And free on the internet!

[@MrCowfood]

I noticed a slight phasing with the Juno chorus which is missing on the dm12 chorus. However, there is a phase effect in the dm... would it come closer using that in serial with chorus at the end of the chain?

[@danielepizzuele7083]

DM12 multi fx is a beast. You can do everything :D. There are also tube pres and various saturation simulations to give more "oldness" to the sound. Very inspiring!

[@djmouglie]

I have heard that there is a hiss noise on the deepmind .. is that something you have noticed?

[@tooomasz]

On my DM there's a constant hiss but only on the headphone output! That one is really hissy, it produces noise when using the wheels for example

[@RoHen-pw5ol]

Definately no hissing on my machine, it has a very low noise floor

[@danielepizzuele7083]

No, haters bullshit. 106 is more noisy, Dx7 first edition was a whitenoisegenerator

[@skunchtv]

subsribed!

[@zackmedic4999]

Any updated Chorus I effects?