Defender vs Discovery: There's No Such Thing as a Perfect Land Rover, but This One's CLEARLY Better!

[@unpluggedkiwi1063]

Everyone talks about the reliability (or lack) of air suspension. 45 years ago I worked on a very large hydro electric power project. Pretty much all of the off-road/rough road heavy earthmoving machinery had air suspension. Air suspension on off road vehicles has very well proven reliability. Then there is the question of wheel travel when at maximum height. Land Rover's off road system helps get around the lack of wheel travel, while the raised height lessons the chance of sill damage etc. But because the suspension can be lowered when back on normal roads, there is none of the instability of conventional 4WD's with raised suspensions. And lets be honest, even most Wranglers etc spend more time on the road than off.

[@rosswines]

Have had D4 n D5 for over 11 years. Been off road n towed 3 t van for 10,000' s of km. Never ever had any issue with air suspension in either cars.

[@dannelleabajar4703]

If only owners just maintain their air suspensions very well there would be no problems...

[@onurcoskun9478]

How do you maintain air suspension? I used several D2 for work many years ago and they all had air suspension issues.

[@andrewroberts1787]

Had a 2019 Discovery 5 new fully loaded on a 3yr lease. Loved it. Best road trip vehicle I ever owned. Had every confidence in it no matter the conditions. And no, I had no problems with it either. Everything worked, all the time. I left the brand because I wanted it go EV, but if they release an EV version of the next Discovery I'll go back. The Defender came out after we got our Discovery but to be honest the cargo space in the Defender was lacking vs the Discovery (and we put some huge items in the Discovery so it mattered) and when specced similarly the Defender just didn't feel a upscale as the Discovery which felt like 95% of a Range Rover for 65% of the price. The Defender does look more cool I agree. That said, I'm one of the people who likes the look of the Discovery 5 from 90% of angles, (yes even the offset license plate) but I don't like them with black rims and roofs, it just doesn't suit the shape and makes it look awkward. And if you hate the kick up on the back next to the license plate that they keep pointing out (which was even worse on the D3 and D4 imho) then make sure not to get the black infill panel there as it only highlights theat design even more whereas on a white one without infill you barely notice it.

[@adams1696]

After 3 years reliability is a different story ;)

[@andrewroberts1787]

@@adams1696 It is. But I didn't have it long enough to give any true judgment own that. I do *think* the new ones are better than the older ones in that regard. An LR4 has so far shown itself to be better than say a Disco 2 for example. If I'd kept it I would have bought the extended warranty to 7 years and then after that sold it as I don't keep any vehicle beyond that anyway.

[@adams1696]

@@andrewroberts1787 I feel that. I’m worried about my Macan but all the reliability reports put the newer Porsche’s as good so hopefully that’s true haha. No problems so far 🤞

[@andrewroberts1787]

@@adams1696 Lovely car you've got!

[@ggolds5]

@@adams1696 After owning 4 Land Rover/Range Rovers I had enough of the reliability issues. Each of the 4 left me stranded on the side of RT 80 in New Jersey, The George Washington Bridge in NY, I91 in Hartford, CT, a bad area , or just bad town in general New Britain, CT at 1am. Just to name a few. I LOVED driving them, I hated always worrying about breaking down, idiot lights going on , IE engine light, Radiator overheating light, etc. etc. All within the first 20 thousand miles. DONE!!.

[@emilsydykov6613]

got a pre owned discovery 5 2019 3.0L twin turbo diesel a few month ago. magnificient car. had some leakage in the windshield which was fixed by reinstalling the windshield. also changed transmission oil at 65,000km and it helped a lot. planning on changing engine oil every 7k km. overall great car.

[@pauljacobs4804]

We have a Discovery 5 and love it, it might not not be a rock crawler, but during a recent winter storm, we were safely able to drive from Lubbock to FT. Sumner New Mexico, on ice covered roads. We saw other vehicles struggling and slipping but the Discovery maintained traction the entire time. They closed the roads for safety concerns and we were forced to stop.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

I think my next vehicle will be one of these but since I never off road, it is great to see a summary of their strengths doing non off road things. I've built both online and they are within $5K the way I want so cost isn't factor. Oh and I love "unreliable" vehicles. I have: 2011 Jag XJ SC---92K miles 2012 Jag XKR---51K miles 2017 Alfa Giulia----42K miles Between all three I've replaced the water pump on the XJ two years ago. That's it.

[@tajigang139]

I own the Discovery 5 pre refresh 2019 and its amazing its such a capable off-roader even though the numbers are less.

[@Montu4g63]

Just sold my 19 d5, loved it for the time I had it

[@johnbillings2283]

Same here, have a 2017 and it's great

[@ruardswanepoel9227]

This is NOT the top spec discovery. The S is the baseline model with the SE and HSE above it. For example the HSE has 4 zones of climate control with rear zones both controlled from the back of the centre console- similar to that of the defender in this review.

[@ps1hagrid84]

wrong

[@PSUC3]

This is correct. S is the baseline spec with R Dynamic additions on top of it.

[@Alan_Mac]

The Disco is a great vehicle. I had one from our local JLR dealer and used it to tow my daughter's horsebox and it was SO impressive. Felt more planted and relaxed than even my own Range Rover - albeit I have an L322 which is longish in the tooth. Would love to try the new Defender.

[@1antisupercat]

Whoever edits these videos to include Tommy’s F’ing A is my favorite! lol

[@polarbear4686]

3:38

[@stephenoverstreet9898]

Tommy flipping out like a rich little 12 year old girl at 3:41 continues to be priceless.

[@Queensizemusic]

Geez, I didn’t find his frustration in any way reminiscent of a pubescent girl.

[@crazygooseventures]

It was funny, but sadly it pointed out a fairly significant detractor of the wheel size choices of JLR for what is supposed to be an off-road biased vehicle. I’d be pissed too if that happened twice in a row.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Perfect timing on this guys. I am in the market for either one of these vehicles - wife wants the disco and I want the defender... this video illustrates why pretty well.

[@josephgittos3787]

To me the defender looks better with the white steel wheels , if you want more luxury feel then I am sure the discovery is the better choice

[@ideefixxe]

Disco is the ultimate road trip vehicle. The new Defender is like a Swiss Army knife, built to last.

[@jlficken]

I'd rather have the Discovery if I had to choose between them just because of my needs. Off-roading is secondary for me.

[@drags666]

3:40 will always be favorite Tommy moment.

[@bob28952]

Good paced review. No stupid jokes, no nit picking or oily false praise. Just honest stuff. Thanks.

[@AaronC684]

I've not heard people say the Defender is basically a Discovery. What they have said is the Defender realistically IS the Discovery 4 replacement we should have got. It's of a similar size and shape, it has the swing open tailgate etc. Also, the tailgate opening to the right isn't an issue in the UK where we drive on the left and therefore when we open it, it's open to allow us to get to the footpath.

[@petehelme7714]

I'd take a split tail gate (FFRR) vs. a swing gate any day. Plus, the Disco has the option of a drop-down platform (which the model shown doesn't have).

[@AaronC684]

@@petehelme7714 but it didn't used to. The Discovery 1 & 2 both had a swing door. Discovery 3 & 4 had a split tailgate. discover 5 is just a normal hatchback style tailgate. The Defender however has always has a swing door tailgate, unless it was the pick up version.

[@счастье33]

discovery 4 much better than defender because it's more practical

[@seadawg4278]

I had a 2000 Disco SE7. Loved that truck. So capable off road, unstoppable in the snow, and very comfortable. Had ACE, and downhill descent mode. However it had a slew of problems before 63,000 miles: Engine block cracked, radiator needed replacing, ACE airbag failed, heated seat element failed burning hole in seat, third seat needed replacing as it could not be put up, Sunroof leaked and needed replacing, heated windshield element failed right in front of steering wheel and best mileage ever was around 16mpg. Service was followed as indicated in the manual. Had to trade it in.

[@StephenFogarty2023]

What’s your point ? That was a vehicle from 22 years ago..,

[@seadawg4278]

Nothing. Just that Quality has always been an issue with LR. They are incredible cars when everything works, but when things go south they can get very pricey very quick. Case in point the first Defender TFLTruck purchased. Lot’s of problems for a new vehicle.

[@StephenFogarty2023]

@@seadawg4278 I’m ex motor trade Much of that with JLR I have long term experience with the brand I totally understand what u say JLR have finally gotten serious about improving reliability since 2 years ago. Their product is excellent Reliability issues are way way down and customer satisfaction levels are way up Every manufacturer has teething issues with an all new vehicle Defender did not have any serious issues in its first 12 months LR have since sorted out the minor issues With regards to TFL IMO they were very stupid to take a car off showroom floor and up to high altitude Drive it for a few days at the normal elevation and let the vehicle settle in. TFL absolutely milked the Defender issues in a very OTT way, which gets them KZbin views, and $$$ The wiring harness issue with their second Defender just added more ammunition for them to be OTT and get more KZbin views And everyone just unfairly jumped on the band wagon and gave Defender and LR unfair criticism about reliability

[@seadawg4278]

I absolutely loved that Disco. From the positioning of the window controls, the awesome defrosting windshield, the killer sound system, downhill descent control, ACE and just the fact that it rode so well, and was unstoppable in acclimate weather. It was Kent Green, with brown leather interior. I got it used, and it had an extended warranty. Picked it up with around 23k miles. Drove it for years up to around the 65K mark. Three days after the extended warranty coverage expired, I had it in for an oil and filter service and asked them to look at the oil leak. That is when they told me about the Radiator blockage, and the cracked engine head. Even though I had mentioned an oil leak on a prior visit, they would not cut me a break. Said they had no records of any oil leak… To repair the Radiator and rebuild or replace the engine would have been around $12K. It may have been the dealer not being stand up, but that was more than I could take. I still see some of those Disco years on the road, and I kid you not…I still have a soft part in my heart for those.

[@StephenFogarty2023]

@@seadawg4278 I do really like the D2 The colour and spec of your SE7 sounds fantastic Was a great car An SE7 with Leather Trim, ACE & 18” wheels was a lovely drive. LR product is special It gets under your skin, and u love them Reliability issues are extremely annoying, and thankfully it’s now unlikely to happen. My June 2017 Disco Sport diesel HSE has just clocked 90,000 kms and it’s been perfect since day 1 Awesomely great vehicle

[@StephenFogarty2023]

As per LR own public statements The Defender is the replacement of the D3 and D4. More utilitarian and boxy and rugged vehicle. The most off road capability that LR offer. LR purposely pushed the Disco 5 into a much more upmarket direction Disco 5 is meant to compete against BMW X5 / X7 Benz GLE / GLS Audi Q7 Etc Disco has more room in Row 3 v the Defender 110. But a Defender 130 is not far away, and this will have a lot of room in Row 3. When u get a Defender with Row 3 seats, there is much less under rear floor storage compared to a 5 seat Defender. Both vehicles weigh well over 2 tonne, unladen, and they are not particularly aerodynamic, so of course they won’t be hugely economical vehicles, particularly above 70 mph. They r both fantastic vehicles. Buy the one that best suits your particular automotive requirements

[@crazygooseventures]

If this was a replacement of the D3/4, they shouldn’t have called it a Defender then.

[@StephenFogarty2023]

@@crazygooseventures But they did So get over it The new Defender is the perfect 21st century replacement of the previous generation Defender. And it also took over from D3 and D4

[@crazygooseventures]

The new “Defender” is an over complicated vehicle. 85 ECU’s doesn’t bode well for an “off-road” vehicle. A 4WD system that primarily interfaces through the info centre is not practical nor reliable, design flaws carried forward from the original Defender that weren’t necessary, a winch setup that requires a 40 hour install, an air suspension that has numerous fault points so troubleshooting is difficult and in some cases not trail reliable but yes it’s the perfect replacement of the previous Defender according to McGovern. After 20+ years of LR ownership, I see some things still haven’t changed which is the disappointing part of JLR’s approach to this redesign. All JLR had to do was keep things simple with the new Defender and they would have been fairly successful as that’s what the market wanted but instead they took complexity to a whole new level. They should have taken notes when Ford redesigned the Bronco (and I’m not a Ford fan - they just did a much better job of understanding what the vehicle’s niche was). There’s very little resemblance this vehicle has to its predecessor to carry that badge. And don’t get me wrong, when JLR products work, they are phenomenal to drive, but they’re a company that forgot its roots.

[@crazygooseventures]

Also, if JLR admits that the new Defender is the replacement of the D3/4, then they really didn’t understand the Defender’s market or this models role in their family lineup. That statement doesn’t even make sense from a “Defender” badge perspective. That means they didn’t design a Defender replacement.

[@StephenFogarty2023]

@@crazygooseventures The previous generation Defender had no safety, no comfort, no tech, no airbags, it was not a comfortable daily driver, and was only able to be sold in a few countries around the world, and it was not selling in big numbers. New Defender has comfort, safety, tech, it’s a great daily driver, and fantastic off road ability. Many options and accessories etc, plus mods are readily available to create the Defender that suits you and your requirements. U can buy basic versions of Defender that have less gizmos, steel wheels and no air suspension etc It’s a hugely popular worldwide seller. Over 30,000 on worldwide back order. I’m sure LR would be very happy with it. They made the right decision by building a vehicle that appeals to the masses. The Bronco has a limited market. Ford have a lot more resources then JLR. LR have high standards, regarding towing and off road use ability. A basic Defender that would have only appealed to the off road community, would have had an RRP that was expensive for the masses. The limited sales appeal of the vehicle, did not make this scenario a financially viable option for LR to pursue.

[@jonathanbragg4448]

Really wanted to order a brand new Defender, however you can't really get them based on chip shortages and such. Coming from an LR4, I love the boxy styling... BUT I started really researching the Discovery 5 and ended up with a 2018 TD6 HSE Lux. Love the engine, love the car. Changed out the wheels to 20" vs. 21" with Duratracs, have the rear locker, and it's pretty much unstoppable. When I need extra clearance, I have Proud Rhino lift rods to put in and I can crawl the same trail they show in Moab without scraping. Long highway, towing, offroad, the diesel rocks. All in all, I'm super happy with my Disco5 and didn't think I was going to be!

[@kevincraftsbcs4488]

Do they still offer the diesel or is it no longer an option?

[@jonathanbragg4448]

@@kevincraftsbcs4488 no longer an option in the redesigned car. 2020 was the last TD6 model year. In Europe they still offer 2 diesels, we just won't get them in the states.

[@leeku7768]

Old disco looked so much better and defender almost feels like a replacement to that!

[@aportilla007]

Agree 100%

[@kyloren-cd8dk]

2 years late lol but I agree. The current defender should’ve been branded at the Discovery 6, the Land Rover should’ve just bought Ineos and branded the Grenadier as the Defender

[@nijaigreen660]

I really like the new defender the interior looks so smooth and perfectly more space

[@poplaurentiu4148]

At some point yes these were very good vehicles but.. today for about same amount of money : Rivian (R1T or R1S) is by far a better & smarter choice on long term ! ;0)

[@mahir6239]

@@poplaurentiu4148 it's electric

[@poplaurentiu4148]

@@mahir6239 Yeah but is derived from an ice platform.. a Rivian is a better option since was created from the ground up as electric and developed to sustain new functions lots of space for passengers + bed for cargo and smart use of space for different other stuff & objects .. is water proved, good for off-roading and has a decent charge-range.. so to conclude for the same amount of money Rivian offer a better overall package..

[@mahir6239]

@@poplaurentiu4148 does it have any differential lock or traction control?

[@poplaurentiu4148]

@@mahir6239 Rivian is a full electric truck so it has no gearbox, no diff-locks but what it does have instead 4 independent electric motors to provide 'instant torque' for each wheel, that can be activated or deactivated by the driver thru central screen depending where the traction is needed in different situations, it has different off-road modes that can be selected for best-performance in each mode (snow, gravel, mud, sand, rock-climb, baja..) it has up-hill & down-hill functions assist, it has going thru rivers option the level of water can be as deep up to more than a feet (was tested out), it has full spare off road wheel, it has build-in compressor in the bed for deflate air-down and to inflate back tires going in-out off-road, towing options.. if you want i can put some links for you to see for yourself how it behaves going off-road and other tests made so far with it by many different people or different independent reviewers like Doug Demuro & others or from Auto-journalists like : TFL, Top Gear, Canadian, Australian, Edmunds, etc .. for its all-round price is an awesome pack specially since in front instead of engine bay it has more space for stuff and has also optional things like a tent that can be installed on the roof or behind above the bed, and has a cool optional build in adventure cooking pack between the passenger cabin and the pick-up bed that has all tools & things for camping cuisine (a sink, cooking tools, etc mounted on a rack that can slide in-out. Rivian really is amazing..

[@deel1312]

I just got a Discovery 2023 fully loaded. B/B 3rd road seat. the 3rd row seat does not have easy access. but a lot of leg room once you're in it. drives very smooth considering it has 22' rims. has a kick once you put it on S drive. very please that I got this vehicle.

[@AlfaAK101]

7 months later, has your discovery been treating you?

[@deel1312]

@AlfaAK101 one of the better cars I've had

[@AlfaAK101]

@@deel1312 great to hear! I’m actually going to go look at another one on Saturday, but been researching for a month or so

[@CrueLoaf]

Great video! I have a better view from my Defender than I did my little Mini Cooper! I find my Defender easier to navigate and park!

[@nickminir56]

Yep a lot more window / camera / sensors on our Defender but I still prefer our Mini Cooper for parking job it's so much easier to park especially on NYC street.

[@CrueLoaf]

@@nickminir56 well I felt pretty confident parking my Defender until I reversed into my (new) neighbour’s parked Porsche! To be fair I wasn’t using the Defender’s cameras! But my Defender didn’t have a mark in it! His Porsche was in the body shop for a month! It does indeed defend!!

[@adkc19]

@@CrueLoaf ditto hit my daughters car smashed the bumper and a light, I nearly burst into tears as my Defender is only 6 months old, until I saw the damage...nothing...

[@josephgittos3787]

Not a discovery or defender owner but an evoque owner it’s the easiest car I have owned to park by far esp when you consider reviews saying lack of rear view

[@mohhughes4870]

Love LR - my past two vehicles were LR. My RR Velar R-Dynamic SE P380 was so much fun, but not so much for rear passengers (space a little tight). And I would never have taken it off-road. But I loved actually seeing the air suspension do its thing. I do wish that LR had given the Velar of my year an open-exhaust option as I think that would have made the 3.0l Supercharged V6 bark rightly. For some of the reasons you mentioned, I needed to bid adieu to my Velar as it was going out of warranty. I really wanted to just go with a more recent model, but **no** LRs - used or new - were available at my dealer in 11/21. So I went with a Mercedes GLE53 - pluses and minuses as one would expect. No perfect trade-offs. Quick question to folks: when people ask me the difference between "Land Rover" and "Range Rover," I respond that generally the Land Rovers (i.e., badged with their models) are more of the "U" in SUV, while the RRs are more the "S" in said abbreviation. Thoughts?

[@dwgraham22]

The LR3/Discovery 3 beasts them all! Still driving my 2005 and it looks great as I put a lot into it to ensure it stays in good working condition. I also own a 2011 LR4 which is more luxurious. However, I prefer the LR3. The only issue I have with my LR3 is the fuel efficiency... especially in these times.

[@robmcgregor7742]

I have a 2009 LR3 and a 2017 Disco 5. I enjoy the LR3 more but the fuel consumption is becoming a deal breaker

[@gregferris9378]

My wife and I discovered the value of having a hatch in a downpour. Instant roof!

[@daneav8]

I have a 2017 D5 HSE Lux diesel and love it....have had it 3 years now with not one issue. Love the diesel...mpg in the high 20's on average, and around 31mpg on a road trip. The diesel is super smooth and tons of torque, and other than the little diesel growl coming off a stop sign (which I like)...no one even knows that it is a diesel. I'm sad that you can no longer get a diesel in the USA...I would love the Defender with a proper diesel. But, I guess that's the sign of the times. Anyway...very happy with the D5...but I cold see getting a Defender as my next vehicle as well

[@TheArtofDisruption]

Nice work on this one, Nathan!

[@bentonywombledance324]

I have a D4 at present so this was very interesting to watch, really enjoyed the review. I like that fact you appreciate Land Rovers and their Britishness (I know this isn’t always everyone’s cup of tea 😉). Would have been good to know which you would own and prefer to have as your vehicle?

[@craigelliott2524]

I love both of them… just wish they came standard with 18 inch wheels

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

I'd take the coil spring suspension and put a lift with swaybar disconnects to have better suspension travel.

[@crazygooseventures]

Rear cargo door design was a criticism of the old Defenders and yet, JLR carried that to the new design too?? Makes sense. I hated trying that to get cargo into my 110. Even putting a tire in the back was a pain. Best designed modern LR was the LR3/4.

[@MoneyShot_CM]

Great video Nathan, love my Disco 5! I would love to get the Defender but there isn't enough difference to make me spend the extra money, the Disco does everything my family needs, and it's great off-road. We have the Rhino 2 inch lift from Lucky 8, Toyo 32 inch ATA3 tires and after market rims. The gas mileage suffered a bit when I did all that, but still 21 on highway. Not so good City lol.

[@mikeb53]

32"? Don't they rub?

[@Thomas-gh5dt]

Nathan stepped it up a notch or two on this one. Kudos to the editors too.

[@dirkdesouza5975]

I currently own a Disco and was looking at the Defender, but the Defender 5+2 doesn’t have the seating comfort in the third row as the Disco has. I think it has to do with the wheelbase?

[@tempestv8]

Gotta wait for the D130 if you want a 7 seater that can actually accomodate humans. :-)

[@FoYo1005]

They are both clearly different but I don't see you making a case for which one is better. Why is the video titled this way?

[@dirkimhauser889]

'R-Dynamic' "S" ist the BOTTOM LINE version (WITH sport/bling bling trim). 'R-Dynamic' "HSE" would be the top line version (also with sport/bling bling trim). The versions without sport/bling bling trim ('R-Dynamic') are just called "S/SE/HSE" (and prior MY21 "HSE Luxury") - in that order. So you are comparing the bottom line version of the Disco ("S") with the bling bling trim to the advanced version of the Defender ("SE"). That's the reason for the weird pricing. Also, the 'R-Dynamic' trim basically makes the Disco a 'on-road only' SUV, since the trim alters the ground clearance AND all the angles drastically. (Not to mention it comes with bigger rims and thus less rubber on them.) It would have been better to compare the Defender to the Discovery without the 'R-Dynamic' trim.

[@danielrichards8472]

The discovery is nice from every angle other than the back which is grotesque where as the defender is pretty appealing from every angle

[@crazygooseventures]

I’ve actually had a D5 behind me and I thought it was a RR.

[@dct124]

Overall I prefer the Defender. Can't quite afford one with the options I'd like yet.

[@billsavage9917]

we have a MY19 Discovery and it wakes up every morning and does what it needs to do without any problems. Great review!

[@emilsydykov6613]

Great vid. I've been looking at Defenders but this clip kinda pushed me back to my current Discovery (3.0L 2019) and if I'm ever going to upgrade my car I'll probably go for the fresher version of the Discovery, although the ruggedness of the Defender does appeal to me very much. Cheers from Kyrgyzstan.

[@evankatz2893]

The only reason TFL got rid of their last defender was to fund the new bronco, no issues with that one at all!

[@StephenFogarty2023]

Correct They like to get the latest new released vehicle ASAP It gets them views, and after 12 months they sell it, and get the next new thing

[@evankatz2893]

@@StephenFogarty2023 yes Stephen your right I have been watching tfl since day one that’s why they want to buy the rivian rti next if they can get one!

[@steffenchristmas1987]

We had a new D5 top spec HSE Diesel and it was a mixed bag... Positives: Quiet on the motorway Reasonable economy when not towing Leather seats looked good Negatives: Doors too deep - the bottoms would catch when opening in ruts/rocks. Flimsy - interior trim came apart quickly. Bits fell off. Exterior - we lost undertrays/guards torn off on minor tracks. Electrical "quirks" - the dashboard didn't always work. Blank screen. You could drive and operate it but had no idea of fuel/speed. Electric tailgate - would flatten battery. Happened twice. Recovery. Cruise - wouldn't hold a steady speed. Towing - throttle mapping was inconsistent which made low speed maneuvering with horse trailers not smooth as it should be. Ad-Blue - it had a serious drinking problem. Reverse tardis - felt big/awkward to place on tight lanes/trails yet lacked interior space. Land Cruiser is physically bigger but the opposite: it's more spacious on the inside but easy to place on trails. Boot/trunk space: surprisingly small, Deerhounds hated it. Alarm: unnecessary multi-step process for disabling the interior sensor (dogs) when popping into a store. Other brands use a button, works better. Overall: mixed. Lovely shiny "country car" for "city" people. Wasn't ideal for our use case. Just not practical or durable enough. Wouldn't trust running one long term. It was a relief to get rid of it after 3 months.

[@sergeyegorov949]

Best overview Ive seen - tons of info in a matter of minutes. Thanks man!!! Wil go for Defender 130...

[@GregsMowing]

Steering wheel on the defender is metal not plastic. The coating they used is designed to be able to deal with all sorts of material stains and be cleaned easily. End result is it feels plactic but easy to clean.

[@giuseppevaccaro1934]

Great video Mr Nathan Great job ! 👍👍

[@peterbullen3347]

I hear on the various KZbin channels that the Defender cannot be towed if breakdown, is the Discovery the same? It's to do with the gearbox ?

[@mikefoehr235]

Recovery and Pretender. The dynamic duo.

[@treeratbuster]

😂😂 very good.

[@drewpaterson502]

A very good comparison! Well done Nathan, this is excellent.

[@Georgejoseph74]

from the side angle looking o the screen, find more common to an Aston Martin layout...txs again for the video..nath,u ROCK...

[@RunDub]

As a fan of the Land Rover Discovery since the Disco 1s (and owner of a few Disco 1s over the years), I really feel LR lost the plot with the Disco 5. It's just lost all it's ruggedness and become a baby Range Rover. The LR3 and LR4 were pretty true to the Discovery name, but the current one just feels completely different.

[@RunDub]

I currently drive a '99 Discovery 1, btw.

[@crazygooseventures]

Yup totally agree. I had a D1, D2 and a D3. D1 was fantastic off-road but the D3 was very practical all around. Unfortunately they all suck for reliability.

[@susannegodbee5636]

agree...to Matt... I am on my 4th disco, 2016 diesel, was about to trade to the new one... I just don't like the shape of the back, looks out of balance... I am nurturing mine now to keep as long as possible ... mind you - I drive a lot in the australian outback, ruts, sand, rocks... never a problem but the tires are the weak spot, factory standard lasted me 10000 km, put on 70/30 and drive with them for the last 4 years

[@mikechan231]

Really excellent commentary on these cars!

[@chrisjohnson3912]

I'd like to see them both up on a lift to see the differences in running gear... if any.

[@Malc664]

Is an offroad obstacle comparison coming? Maybe not a good idea with those road tyres anyway.

[@tempestv8]

The Defender's rear cargo bay area is really tiny for an SUV. Put a typical 45 litre camping fridge in there and half the storage area is consumed. And hence not many are configured for 7 seats, as there simply isn't enough space in there - the upside is a great departure angle due to the very short rear overhang. Another great benefit of a short rear over hang is that the tow bar is much closer to the rear axle, so towing a heavy travel trailer (aka caravan for Australians), it would be tremendously stable. Re the second row seats on the Defender, a real negative is that the seat backs cannot be reclined. They are a fixed position only, so this makes travelling in the 2nd row less comfortable in the Defender.

[@ra_redesignautomobiles]

I want the old Defender they so Solid

[@trimley]

First visit to your channel - loved your British references 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@SiCrewe]

Nah, The new Defender is what the Discovery 5 SHOULD have been. The latest Disco's, OTOH, are just mutant offspring of the Freelander and Range Rover Evoque.

[@TradLibChinaman]

I agree!The TRUE Perfect Land Rover is the Ineos Grenadier!

[@bluejayrover]

How do you compare a Diesel Disco (2017-2021) to a Defender I-line 6 ?

[@glaffoon1]

Of course the trick with a Land Rover is keeping it running long enough to get home!

[@davidsalter9592]

Over our Brits end I've got the deisel Defender D250, six cyl. 12mths, 10,000 miles on, brilliant, and over 40 to gall on a run, up to 45 with a light foot, so comfy, so powerful..

[@elongenjones7270]

Awesome Video

[@noahi23]

Looking forward to subscribing to TFL UFO! 😂

[@ivannarvaez367]

You should take these two off road and see how they differentiate on the trail.

[@gumbie007]

Me: What’s the reliability of these vehicles? 🤔 Land Rover: “No” 🤨

[@nammalilleee3207]

U own one?

[@jasonmckay4674]

@@nammalilleee3207 me yes mate I do and have done so far 56,000km’s in my Defender P400 since August last year zero issues. Disco Sport over 375,000km’s previous five years traded in for the Defender no issues hit 4 kangaroos over the journey though. Reliability in my case not a problem so far with 5-6years owning a Landrover

[@cinqo7]

LOL, good one! Still, I love these cars!

[@brianbass4971]

I would love to see an off road comparison. I suspect you don’t give that much with the disco vs. the defender.

[@Joeromano95]

To a mechanic, there are no winners here.

[@EarthRover]

They have the exact same drivetrain. I’m not sure they are that different…

[@NathanDAdlen]

Different output, different shift algorithm, different economy.

[@b8ascrub]

Can someone tell me if their defender tells them the remaining miles till next service? Just had my first service and I explained that this menu option displays “ no information”. The dealer said it should start calculating the service after the initial delivery. Well, they said they reset the computer and when I got home the menu option for service still says “ no information “. It’s under the main menu, my vehicle, service.

[@drhientran]

Wonder the same here

[@montesamapping]

Great video, but in my opinion nowadays all Land Rover are only different declination of the same SUV project. Wi will never more see Africa Land without an helicopter rescue with all the gadgets may be corrupted during raw offroad use😀😀😀

[@willwang9936]

the center console deep storage space can be optioned with a cooler which is why its so deep

[@fredbrackely]

And STILL the best out of these two - the LR3/LR4.

[@maverickdisco4036]

Had quite a few Discoveries over the years and have test driven the New Defender a few times, off road day at Landrover. I agree with your review, they are different cars made for different purposes. Only downsides I found with the Defender was that I was very motion sick in it off road and it’s price, a pity as it was a fine car.

[@paulpignataro2292]

Just what I needed to know, was the perfect explanation for the questions I had.

[@grabir01]

Did ya'll ever get the check engine light on problem solved with your new Rover?

[@crazygooseventures]

They got rid of their Defender…which should say something. That was a very short ownership with TFL.

[@grabir01]

@@crazygooseventures Oh.. I thought it was being used in this test. Did not know they got rid of it. What does that mean? They got rid of it? Factory took it back? Full refund?

[@ytdood]

That was the first car which had an issue, the one they owned long term had no problems and you can check out their offroading videos where they praise it every time. This typical gratuitous internet hate is getting really boring, the sales are very good for the Defender and for good reason.

[@grabir01]

@@ytdood I have a friend who owns a UPS store which is how I know him. I rent a Box from him. We talk every time I come in. He has owned many a Land Rover which he lets his wife drive. He swears that you need 5-10 grand a year to keep them running. I am not kidding..

[@ytdood]

@@grabir01 I don't doubt there are reliability issues with the older model. And newer ones are also extremely complicate electronically and do fail once in a while. But I know of many new model Defenders close to 100k with no major issues. The Phev version has 5 years of warranty as well if I'm not mistaken which is not bad either. That said, I see plenty of other models on the side of the road quite often, and these are 20 or 21 model years...

[@kkurion]

Where's the little tailgate in the back of the Discovery????

[@johnlundrigan9272]

Comes on the HSE model

[@ExtrovertedCenobite]

Great looking vehicles, capable off road, the only problem is that they spend a lot of time in the Shop and you spend a lot of $$$$ to keep them going.

[@Ognjen19]

defender best new discovery , discovery best new freelander

[@SiCrewe]

Exactly.

[@deucedaprodeuca]

Whatever happened to the blue/lavender Defender? I missed the episode that talks about it.

[@peterdelamare]

Go watch the update video on it? It was sold to make way for the new Bronco, it was reliable and a very good car.

[@baldheadlogic]

Great Comparo Video. I would pick the Defender. I'm not a fan of the design on the Discovery.

[@killerjhul]

Discovery R Dynamic HSE is the highest trim level for 2021. Metropolitan for 2022. Sigh

[@Dave68RT]

Metro for 23 only, not 22.

[@killerjhul]

@Dave68RT you're right. LR is 1 year ahead lol.

[@jacobyo99]

Is the Discovery’s engine transverse mounted?

[@tempestv8]

No, it is north-south orientation.

[@user-om4fc1lm3b]

I live in Denmark. Starting price for the baseline discovery? 205.000 USD.

[@bradbaraniuk4085]

dont matter which one is better all have reliablity issues.

[@yorkchris10]

JLR does have ePace. Ingenium could be range extender

[@Ninakoklahombi]

Great review. Now if we could stop with the over sticker crap. Enough already.

[@thewolf3889]

I just priced a Defender 90 ( No options ) at 53,650.00 I know you have tried before but I would like to see it tried again. Against a 2dr Jeep & a 2dr Bronco. Only this time if/when it doesn't work - Call them out on it. I'll bet anything it would fail again.

[@coolchu001]

Wow, the 110SE is only $62k in January 2022? It now starts at nearly $69k

[@mrliamw1996]

This is the perfect review , always wanted a like for like review between the disco and defender as these would be my 2 contenders if going for an suv , love the idea of having a 3rd row just incase, aswell as having all those compartments (especially the hidden compartment behind the tempreture controls on the disco) as much as i do love the defender i reckon the disco would be my choice in the end although would definetly get the rear hatch changed to a symetrical boot hatch , i know and apprecaite why they keep putting it in but its serves no purpose now and is just annoying to look at .

[@dixiedean1955]

Should have had a split tailgate

[@georgetidd8972]

Add a 1.5 “ suspension lift and add 275 60 R20’s BFG’s on them! And your good to go!

[@crazygooseventures]

R20’s???? For off-road? Or going to Starbucks?

[@georgetidd8972]

@@crazygooseventures it works! Nice big Fat BFG’s …..easier than changing the rim size, brakes etc….and still have the big engine

[@kevinbarry71]

British car? Are you kidding? It's an Indian company and the defender is made in Slovakia

[@ruardswanepoel9227]

British company that is a subsidiary of Tata. But still British.

[@aportilla007]

I prefer the LR4 to both...

[@AveGuy1]

4 cylinder engine block cracks under pressure. Costs $20k to replace.

[@daviddenley3512]

Good review, come to think about it it's a bloody good review at that! Thank You.

[@tsv83]

15:47 - it is aluminum alloy, not plastic

[@Queensizemusic]

“TFL-UFO!” Lol

[@bornshamir7792]

That sold me! Lets go 110!

[@edinreviews]

The lowering of the rear suspension has been about since the Disco 2. There was no button in the car to do it, you needed an optional green fob. I have it on my TD5 and it’s great for loading and unloading, especially when you’re loading stuff on the roof 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@richardshank8751]

Both are just absurd as an owner of a 2002 110 TD5

[@LeonAndino]

Did y'all sell your Blue Defender and bought this one instead?

[@Richard-d5x5e]

Needs a smaller wheel to allow a more robust tyre its not the wheels fault per se