Defunding the Police | What is the Personality Profile of Police?

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

I diagnose Dr Grande with 'Sensible Personality Order'.

[@BijahD]

I'm beginning to wonder about Dr. Grande's ability to understand the real world in a practical sense though. He is way too heavy in the theoretical for real-world things that he attempts to analyze in this format. For example, as he often does, he misses a MASSIVE/CENTRAL issue in this video and that is the issue of TRAINING/Re-training, et al, et cet LIKE IN MOST JOBS!!! He speaks of police SO superficially, it's almost child-like; as if people just sign up to be police and that's that. In the whole video he said not word ONE about how people become police - what all is involved - the training, the tests, etc, etc. He offers no data about how many police are college educated or might have backgrounds in psychology or mental health or medicine (emt) or all the different skill sets they need to employ at a moments notice. This video seems to conclusively demonstrate that Dr. Grande has never consulted actual police or knows no one in boots on the ground law enforcement. Could it be that police do what they do because they are TRAINED that way either through education and/or from real day in day out experience?? His theoretical knowledge is strong but I wouldn't trust him to change a lightbulb....

[@身赤-w3w]

@@BijahD stfu

[@wyattcote4228]

@@BijahD u r opressed loool

[@BijahD]

@@身赤-w3w Strong argument.....?

[@JMM33RanMA]

@@BijahD You forgot to mention that many recruits to police forces come from the military. That and the "militarization" of our police forces makes two red flags.

[@CalmingTheChaos]

I really appreciated hearing that the personality profile necessary to be an effective police officer is basically unattainable. Thanks for breaking this all down, and for presenting possible solutions to the problem!

[@dotdashdotdash]

Calming The Chaos I think we need to apply the law to all people, irrespective of their race etc. People openly vandalizing public statues need to be arrested and charged, period.

[@joanlynch5271]

I feel like you could say that same thing about just about any profession.

[@thomashyle6098]

that shows that the social model they enact is an ineffectual one; to task a human with being ethical with unaccountable power, and to identify the magical human who can be treated thus without disaster, is not a wise goal orientation.

[@doryfishie2]

@@thomashyle6098 They're not getting any magic humans with police being so hated and the low pay. When no one wants to sign up, it's only going to attract the exact types of people you don't want in the police. Police are also necessary because crime doesn't go away with a defunded police. There's no perfect solution. It's not great but it's better than nothing, it could be improved if they're committed to it though. Every country has a police force, developed countries generally do quite fine, except the US for some reason.

[@Rachel-vz6gw]

Your calm, levelheadedness is refreshing

[@scorpion-fs7pg]

@Liza Tanzawa idiocy got us where we are and will keep us from change certainly not calm level heads.

[@kaym.2854]

@James Black It's great hearing the take of someone who served. Somehow low motivation is never considered but equally just as crucial to performing well.

[@torgosaves427]

@The Senate what does this mean?

[@youcrazycat1]

Yes. I think listening to an actual policeman is helpful. Same with teachers but nobody ever asks for our input.

[@DianeLStyma]

I agree! Educated & calm

[@shylocie595]

My husband has severe mental illness. He he's been brutalized by police officers. He's been pistol whipped, stripped naked and thrown into a filthy cell for 28 days of complete isolation. When confused he asked a police officer for help but was forced into a bus to a city 45 minutes away instead of helping him get home. I had been searching for him.They have teased and laughed at him. At a park he said hello to a police officer and the officer stopped him and demanded his ID. I know to never call police for help when he's in crisis because they escalate the situation. I'm afraid they might shoot him. He's been beaten many times by them. He's a good man who takes his meds and doesn't drink or do drugs but sometimes the meds stop working. He says if he had been born black they would have already killed him.

[@Springfeeeel]

I have schizoaffective and was beaten and brutalized back in February 2012 by the cops. I won't go into detail but they lied about the entire incident in court and well, now I'm a felon for 3rd degree assault... something I did not do. Most cops do not care at all if you have a mental illness.

[@melissam597]

This is so sad

[@shylocie595]

I'm so sorry you went through that. You are a valuable human with much to offer. Don't let the brutality of others take that away.

[@darlalathan6143]

I'm so sorry!

[@katrinetroelsen]

I am sorry for you and your husband. At this point sadly most people have realized that calling the police is just not an option, at least not one thats gonna better the situation.

[@bluemovie76]

psychological background checks for police officers

[@h.borter5367]

Yes. They don't do that. Don't they do that in the military?

[@trintrin2714]

They also have to have mandatory deescalation training. If a hair stylist has to take more hours in order to train for their profession then officers need to have more training to properly handle civilians.

[@bluemovie76]

@@trintrin2714 this!

[@SueP-D]

Actually they do psychological testing for police applicants, at least where I live. I know this because my friends son failed the test 😆

[@darkhorseman8263]

Currently, they ban anyone with an IQ of above 106 from becoming an officer. The test weeds intelligent people out. They deliberately recruit dumber individuals who follow bad orders, and who they can delegate blame to when things go wrong.

[@noshrinkingviolet007]

💯As a citizen that doesn't break the law, I still have had a few run-ins with cops that were unsettling and I attribute it across the board to their sense of superiority over the people they serve.

[@indoororchidsandtropicals358]

Depends on the cop, city etc. Where I live, I've never had a bad experience until recently over a parking ticket which was a mistake I made, but really it was the fault of the city not having a sign there, and the cop was a total jerk to me when I called. I had drawn a map and taken photos of the area in advance to send them etc so the city could fix the situation and he was just completely rude. However,, the police in Salt Lake city, with one exception, are on a total power trip. You should see the video of them arresting a nurse in a hospital who is doing her job and when they get pissed at her supervisor for not allowing them to violate a patients rights, they take it out on her and arrested her.

[@pauladuncanadams1750]

You must be a white dude, or a pretty blonde.

[@thomashyle6098]

@@indoororchidsandtropicals358 and if it depends on the cop and the city whether there is law on a moment to moment basis, that is a description of a functionally lawless situation

[@thomashyle6098]

@Katie P. ten years ago, Harris County TX Jail (Houston); jail guard sheriff deputy (some are deputies, some are just COs) asks free civilian nurse for date in hallway. She politely declines. He punches her in the head, knocking her out in a hallway full of mentally ill inmates, then walks away, leaving it to the inmates to protect her while she is unconscious. True story.

[@melodieperkins7080]

@Katie P. I agree with you

[@karensimonpeterson3574]

I have done A LOT of research on this “defund the police” idea and have never seen that it means to get rid of the police altogether. I support the idea of more social and mental health workers and less militarization of the police. Your five points are excellent. Thank you for ALL of your videos. They make my day!

[@nancyayers6355]

I think it's horrible, HORRIBLE. I don't want some renegade, unvetted "police" group protecting ME!

[@FairelightSilverwing]

Karen Simon Peterson I have seen some of the research you speak of. The term "defund the police departments" is completely inappropriate for the actions authorities cover with this label. What does the public think they are requesting when the say "Defund the Police!" So many terms are misinterpreted and politicized to indoctrinate voters to vote for concepts they do not understand that may bring them ruin

[@markstahl1464]

It is amazing to me how you can calmly analyze and dissect a topic that would have me ranting and raging maniacally. Well done!

[@jonisoma5726]

...I love listening to Dr. Grande....like, we need to learn these things, he is so easy to listen to.

[@dotdashdotdash]

Joni Soma - his rationality shines through

[@nurseratchet555]

Joni Soma he actually outs me to sleep 👌

[@paulabrown6840]

Pre/employment psychological testing especially to weed out sadistic tendencies should be a priority. I believe this job attracts people who love to dominate and inflict pain. Rather than emphasize de escalation training the emphasis should be on screening out abusive personality traits BEFORE hiring.

[@michaelzurilla7639]

As a friend of mine said, anyone who spent too much time in a locker during middle school should not be a cop. Anyone who spent too much time putting someone in a locker, Also should not be a cop

[@katherine-hd9fy]

Paula brown I said the same thing the other day I completely agree with you

[@am1d]

Paula Brown these tests are very easy to cheat. On top of that, if they sift out too many candidates, the police will have even less people than now. America should start not with personality tests, but gun control, including in policing. There is nothing wrong with deescalation training, if it is effective. From what I have seen, yank police is poorly trained, which creates dangerous situations for everybody: the officers themselves, the suspect and the general public. The death of the guy they shot in the parking lot with the tazer snatching accident was EASILY preventable. Oh yeah, and the court bias towards law enforcement must go. Guilty means guilty. Cops should be trained to help and love people. What do you expect from a cop that is told he can do whatever if he feels remotely threatened. That is cheap. Just ask for cop trainers from Europe :).

[@backintimealwyn5736]

you will always have them , you can't avoid it, it needs to be taken into acount and managed. We're talking about recruiting people that should be able to pull a trigger on someone else but never be mistaken when they do so, able to make this kind of decision under high stress and pressure while accepting to constantly evolve in a violent and dangerous environement, and would not be sociopaths. Do we even realize how hard such a personn is to find? Do we realize that under stress people can snap? People can become hateful, people can developp psychiatric issues and go unoticed , alcoholism , drug addiction. Then do we realize how much that rarity of a personn is going to be paied and the hell of working conditions they are going to be put through ? And then read stuf like "most cops are bad" "uneducated" "stupid" "racist". Good luck looking for your unicorn , it's just impossible.

[@weelee4352]

I don’t believe that being an officer means you must like dominating and inflicting pain. Officers are just as human as us civilians, they’re not monsters. They have the potential to become monsters but who doesn’t have the potential of doing something horrific. Being a cop is probably appealing to those that like to have authority but with good intent (protecting the public, maintaining order and enforcing the law).

[@cecilycornishphdleadership9658]

Dr. Grande I love your videos! I have viewed many of them. As a retired Sergeant at the Detroit Jail and Airport and being born and raised as a Black American, I have felt the stings of institutional racism (i.e. denied housing, jobs promotions, bank loans , etc.) and have seen it with my own eyes. African Americans have been criminalized from slavery just trying to unionized and ask for fair wages. When my race migrated to the North from the South many of the Blacks that were given criminal records for standing up for their rights to fair wages, fair jobs and equality. Today, look at the television, Worldwide, Brazil, London, Asian, Africa and other countries are standing for Blacks to be treated fairly and not to be murdered in the streets in cold blood for a traffic stop, walking down the street, and for basically living Black in America. The murdering of Police is a true reality and it is done by both Black and White Officers. As a officer and Sergeant, I was tested many times to the "Brown Code" to protect my officers even though they would assault, and deny inmates of their Constitutional Rights. However, many times as a Black Woman who loves America, I know that Blacks are Criminalized by a Justice system that is unfair and unjust when it comes to arresting, detaining, incarcerating, and murdering our Black men. I do agree that Mental Health workers must work with Police Officers and that we need the Police. I supervised the mental health floors within the jail system. I also escorted mental health inmates to the hospitals, etc. I like your solutions and would suggest like the L.E.I.N . that reports criminal records nationwide, I suggest a L.E.O.N. L.E.O.N. means Law Enforcement Officer Network and would provide all Police and Law Enforcement Agencies (i.e. FBI, ATF, CIA,Homeland Security) to be a nationwide database to report officers with high citations, shootings, and other violations. The idea that Police are above the law is based in a Criminal Justice System that views Blacks as Criminals and less than human. In addition, I saw a lot of ego, and the abuse and misuse of police brutality and racism within my years at the jails and airport and I continue to see it with the recent murders of George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks.

[@bertc2314]

God bless you Cecily I hope you are prospering and in good health.

[@rhdtv2002]

Institutional racism is a farce

[@lorenfulghum2393]

I was a little nervous when I saw this title, but as usual Dr. Grande has the reasonable opinion.

[@teresahowick5197]

I was nervous too

[@jwsuicides8095]

@Loren Fulgham Me too!!!

[@TheManWhoTypes]

Nervous of what?

[@ginadean5696]

It’s a great title, he is jumping in there and getting real.

[@philipallard8026]

I have worked closely with certain police in a civilian role. I think the job is more complex than can be addressed in a fifteen minute video. For example investigators do different jobs than enforcers. Unfortunately police can get cynical through working with law breakers for a long time. Some come to believe that everyone they encounter is a potential law breaker and a hazard. There needs to be more innocent interaction between citizens and police to overcome this.

[@myriamguns2162]

@Michael Alber It's not clear to me which part of Mr. Allard's remark you are responding to?

[@thomashyle6098]

most come to learn there are so many frivolous and selectively enforced laws that between that and their 'qualified immunity' to false-arrest at will, no matter how blatantly, they go around saying 'the average citizen is committing four felonies and doesn't even know it" to threaten people, is what most come to learn. They learn that a 'criminal' isn't someone who breaks the law, but someone who doesn't submit and conform.

[@madonnabryant9617]

From a former law enforcement officer: I loved the video and your analysis. I come from a law enforcement (father) and mental health (mother) background, which I believe helped me with all aspects of the law enforcement profession. You train to always be on guard and leary of individuals because you never know who might want to harm you. Unfortunately, you encounter a high volume of negative interactions in the community and experience horrific situations that can make you have a completely different view on life. I think it would be a wonderful idea to have mental health professionals partner up with law enforcement officers to provide that service to the community but also to provide it to the LEO as well.

[@SueP-D]

Yeah, “Las Vegas - now with more serial killers” doesn’t quite have the charm of “What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas”

[@neuralmute]

Well technically, if a Las Vegas serial killer gets you and keeps your body parts as trophies, what happens in Vegas is *still* staying in Vegas. Just in a slightly different form.

[@laurahire7208]

3:34 I love the choice video quotes. That was my favorite, SueP-D. 😁

[@SueP-D]

neuralmute Ewwww🤢😂🤣😂😅

[@RawOlympia]

yeah, it ends up in a suitcase in the desert just outside of Vegas

[@morticiaheisenberg9679]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@AnnikaOBrien]

Extremists decide who the enemy is and if you chose that profession, regardless of your motive, personal experiences or record, you are now a target. I’ve seen people worship or vilify entire groups my whole adult life - police, bankers, teachers, doctors, mental health workers, etc. Some folks don’t have the ability to understand nuance, this is why we need more creators like Dr. Grande to explain the underlying “what could be going on in a case like this” in videos.

[@josephlopez6165]

Identity Politics, as a phenomenon that the In-group does not realize it is experincing, is fascinating to watch happen. As you say, every group is singled out by a mob and forced to be Frankenstien for a while. Being villified is energizing, though. We have to look at the positives, I guess? :) Being a whistleblower and former debater, former peace officer, I have seen how quickly career LEOs form up a shield wall and create a bubble of reality that does not correspond to the public good or consciousness. If systemic abuse of power exists, and we don't even have a national database of police misconduct or Garrity and Sovereign Immunity instances, then perhaps the people who make the laws can now stand up to police unions and other forces that encourage policing for profit and ego satisfaction.

[@19alligators]

I thought this was a really clear analysis and your ideas were smart too!

[@dotdashdotdash]

Liza Tanzawa we wuz kangz wid flyin pyramidzz n shiett

[@its1110]

The way the World seems to work... they are too smart.

[@tiffykitty1694]

Thank you for covering this topic. I think the mental health of police is extremely important considering the amount of power they have over citizens. All of the police brutality I've seen these past few weeks has shaken me to my core. Enough is enough already.

[@alierikenoglu8006]

Dear Dr. Grande, what are your thoughts on the "militarization" of many of our police depts, having military grade weapons? Also, many police hires come from ex military situations, some having seen active combat. What might the impact of these issues be upon their duty to "serve" the public? As always, thank you for your videos, I feel that you do humanity a great good. Peace be upon you and your loved ones.

[@lisasmith516]

We the PUBLIC, ARE THE ENEMY. I have a Justice Studies Degree. And some experience with community policing effects.

[@kikihowe4799]

Lisa Smith I doubt very much you have a degree because if you did you would not be making such a stupid uneducated divisive comment .....

[@alierikenoglu8006]

@gotsda ...well I've lived in NJ since 1961, and I have never known a moment in my experience or in my memory, where what you have described was ever necessary. The only spaces where such lethal force, weaponry and tactics were ever used was in TV series where police and "swat teams" are glorified when those in the inner cities are brutalized. My thoughts on the matter? That we have a society that lives up to the retoric of how "great" this country is supposed to be. Of the things that makes me hopeful are efforts by those like our good doctor here :)

[@alierikenoglu8006]

@Roy Futrell ...Hi Roy, forgive the intrusion and my response to a question you posed to someone else... If by "anti-fa" you mean anti fascist, I would imagine most of us would be (and want) just that. Ultimately, I would rather live in a nation run by the government where "we the people" can hold the government accountable. Being pro fascist ("pro-fa"?) is the real danger....being run by corporate power/big business...who are more influential than the government and citizenry combined. In my view, since we live in a "pro-fa" nation, many have "pro-fa" oriented opinions and sadly have little idea. Peace...

[@dotdashdotdash]

loving those thoughts

[@garyr1934]

Excellent topic Watching now But the topic itself especially addressed by you is very necessary

[@3_up_moon]

No mention of this *actually* being done in Camden, NJ and their crime rate going down by almost half! Unfortunately I think Dr. Grande missed the boat on this one. Nobody is perfect!

[@evelynwaugh4053]

@@3_up_moon The Camden NJ PD was defunded after a study determined that it was so infected with corruption that it was fundamentally unsound. This is not a typical situation, and every community is not the equivalent of Camden.

[@3_up_moon]

@@evelynwaugh4053 I think it's more common than not. If it werent that common, we wouldnt have so many extrajudicial killings by police officers all over the country. There are more bad police/sheriffs departments than there are good ones. As long as they are the "tax collectors," there are going to be these problems. They are a revenue stream And the poorer a place is, the more drive there is for the police to make that money and therefore become more violent and forceful. Their goal isnt to make the community a better place it's to secure more money and power.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

@@3_up_moon In a country of 328 million people, a few killings are not statistically significant. If an isolated department has problems, something is going on in the values and behavior of the community, the department's leadership, and its top city officials' values and how its expectations are communicated. Large cities have problems not necessarily shared by rural communities. Generalizing isn't accurate.

[@macmedic892]

7:02 "...across three of the five personality traits." I can hear the OCEAN in the distance.

[@kathryncarter6143]

Ha ha, good one

[@sventer198]

😂👏🏻👏🏼👏🏼👏🏾

[@thomashyle6098]

I smell the social effects of low conscientiousness all around me ;)

[@macmedic892]

@@thomashyle6098 That’s just a rapid COVID screening. Is there a foul odor? Then you don’t have The ‘Ro.

[@quintincole1357]

I support all your recommendations.👍

[@frederickbuchanan4537]

A few years ago I got to know several police officers personally and we occasionally socialized. I was startled by how widespread heavy drinking, very high-stakes gambling and spousal intimidation was among these men. The term “mean drunk” was brought vividly to life. The way some of the police wives held their breath and tiptoed around their husbands taught me more about the abusive relationship than patient interviews ever have. Behaviors this pathological don’t pop up the day after a cadet graduates and becomes a police officer. They’re deeply rooted. What exactly are the psychiatric screening criteria for police cadets?-although I’m afraid I already know the answer.

[@josephlopez6165]

The form that Psychiatrists have to fill out is here, for New Mexico. When I got my Police Radio Dispatcher Certification in 1988, New Mexico was one of the few states to certify dispatchers. They have a pretty decent vetting process, and have had certification processes for officers much longer than many other states, but the initial screens are not routinely re-done, only upon some specific administrative trigger, usually subject to mediation by the union. I've been an association representative and elected official, as well as sitting on the administrative side during negotiations. Police Associations can sway administrative policy in whatever way the negotiators agree upon, without voter input. www.lea.nm.gov/forms-and-documents

[@shylocie595]

Who ever Mr.Floyd was that officer has no right to be Judge, Jury and Executioner.

[@dotdashdotdash]

Frederick Buchanan - one of my oldest friends has been in the police force all his life, he and his wife are fun, lovely people, decent and kind. I’ve never seen any signs of pathology from him, or his colleagues, only a strong desire to stop criminals and protect others.

[@dedebarz5748]

@@dotdashdotdash Thank you for that. My husband has been a police officer for 25 years. He is extremely brave, kind, and honest. Throughout his career, he has served and protected all people, regardless of their race, by always working to secure justice for the victims of crime. I'm proud of him, and I'm proud of the work that he has done and the cases he has solved. It's the trend now to demonize all police officers, and it really does an injustice to the honorable men and women who work hard to protect the people in their communities.

[@dotdashdotdash]

Dede Barz - thank your husband for me. There may be a tiny minority of bad police officers, but there are also bad doctors, bad nurses, bad teachers, etc. Just because a few are bad, it doesn’t make them all bad. The police do an amazing job and without them, our society would basically be ruled by psychopathic gangs.

[@HenryPh_am]

I think one problem with the Law-less argument is the police isn't the embodiment of the law themselves. You don't need a law degree to become a police. How does one enforce the law if they don't understand or don't know the law themselves? A 4 -5 months of training doesn't cut it.

[@jguenther3049]

LEO call home.

[@lindabishop7824]

I agree that the police don't have enough legal training.

[@fogweaver5633]

In Europe, many departments require a 2 or 4 year degree before considering any applicant. Just the extra experience in dealing with a wide range of people would help, even if the degree wasn't law or social work related. Those with a college education tend to be more open to experience and less authoritarian, more authoritative.

[@RightCenterBack321]

And many folks with law degrees aren't the embodiment of the law themselves. What's your point?

[@Lina_al_j]

its never gonna be perfect - not all people are perfect representatives of their profession. like not all doctors are perfect, but do you wanna defund hospitals and just make people try to heal themselves?! psychologists are not perfect either - even we have problems, there's even jokes about that, but that doesn't mean we should not have psychologists anymore either etc. etc. thats just how it is. of course we should strive to make things better, improve their training and I love the ideas dr. grande gave on this, but defunding is def not the answer imo.

[@alexandracash8106]

This is fantastic. I've never had enough knowledge to form an opinion on this topic and you really did some amazing explaining here. Great ideas that make a lot of sense to implement

[@shiginope]

when it comes to dealing with police, i’d recommend reading angela davis and her theories on the matter. also, there’s so much irony in the fact nypd went on strike out of spite, and crime rates went down!

[@Cat-yn5jc]

The recorded rates probably went down because no one was catching the criminals, they just got away with whatever crimes were committed.

[@craigistheman101]

K M if no one is paying attention how do you know that it is higher?

[@Vanyx1000]

Everyone would benefit if police officers learned about psychology. Love your content Dr. Grande, your input on these various topics are always thought-provoking and informative! edit: Thanks for the replies guys! Had fun reading them. Some interesting perspectives. Just in case a police officer is reading this: Remember, you can't hate someone if you understand them. Other than that, calm your trigger finger.

[@SammyJay92]

I totally agree.

[@TheRealBamboonga]

You think cops would use psychology as something other than a weapon?

[@Vanyx1000]

@@TheRealBamboonga That's problematic yes. I would just have to assume that they're honest people who would use their knowledge for good. Maybe wishful thinking?

[@DevlVergil]

Tbh, everyone could benefit if they learned about psycholgy. Never understood why they wouldn't teach basic psychology classes in school.

[@michaelc.682]

Might be kinda hard to offer psychological therapy to a guy high on methamphetamine charging at you. But hey, what do you know about being a police officer? NOTHING

[@sophiaageitos2763]

Dr. Grande you seem to be describing the extreme version of “Defund the Police”. Less extreme this proposes that some funding moves to desperately needed social services. Move funding to arrest a drug addict to funding a rehab center. Defund the Police in its reasonable form wants to move many burdens off police officers. This also does not mean completely removing the Police either.

[@christinefaulk6531]

Correct. Defunding the police does not mean eliminating the police. It's simply redirecting a portion of their budget to much needed social services.

[@mwheeler138]

He described a less extreme version in the beginning of the video...

[@shoe_thompsano]

Didn't he talk about both types in the beginning of the video?

[@Bulletproof222]

Why does that extra funding have to come from police funds? You say problems are caused by these essential services being underfunded, but want to strip funding from one of our most important public services to boost them? Do you not see the problem with what you're saying? Defunding the police will only create *more* problems. We need better education, screening, and accountability, not less money. How does defunding the police stop bad cops? Or hold them accountable when they do bad things? Or make sure new cops are properly screened and trained? These are important questions.

[@lisasmith516]

@@mwheeler138 Not as unbiased an analysis as he hoped, I believe.

[@natashagold7877]

I wish you included the history of policing in your analysis because it has an impact on police culture.

[@sheridagreen2125]

Good point . He rarely (if ever) profiles black or brown folks . Why wouldn't we need more resources in underfunded communities beyond a police state? Idk , I like his analysis but think he's a little off base with this one. Maybe an expert in most things , but I think is a lil uncomfortable when it comes to issues of race and culture.

[@lissaw4]

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. The history of policing is incredibly important to at least outline in this discussion. It unfortunately has a very heavy hand on police culture.

[@lissaw4]

@TradingKid1998 I'm actually from Camden. I now live in Massachusetts. The police brutality, excessive force and risk of being killed is still very real. The county took over our police because of corruption and police brutality. Yet, lately it's been shared as though we are all good now in Camden, which is frustrating. I know that wasn't your point of sharing that, I just needed to say it because the way media has spun it all lately just feels like they are erasing us all over again.

[@MsBettyRubble]

At 2:54, you mention that the police used to have some level of respect in the community. That really depends on the community. That's why we're having protests today in support of BLM. Neighborhoods of color tend to fear the police because of the level of brutality they've experienced for decades. It took a police officer 9 minutes to kill a person while knowing he was being filmed. His behavior didn't change. Now that is chilling. Really enjoy your channel. Your calm demeanor is so helpful right now and just in general. It's nice to hear the non-judgement in your voice which makes it easier to absorb information without being triggered emotionally.

[@kensyskye8965]

MsBettyR. You’re right that was so sinister......He looks like a serious psychopath!

[@MsBettyRubble]

@@kensyskye8965 Yes, he's clearly sick. I started to watch the video and couldn't finish watching it. Then I actually screamed in anger when I saw an officer knock down an old man with a cane in another video. It's no wonder all 50 states in the US and so many countries around the world are protesting the police brutality here. It's got to stop.

[@MetalMasterdom]

You're seeing the world through black tinted glasses IMO. There's much less(if any) difference in non-colored neighborhoods(whatever that means). I see the race card being played here as a major distraction from the larger issue of police violence. My severely mentally ill brother was killed in an incident of police using excessive force. He was white. That's my world. Don't belittle my experiences by saying it's a colored problem. Thanks!

[@bh5606]

I do not support brutal police methods. I do think that going into dangerous neighborhoods creates stress, anxiety, fear and extreme behaviors on people who are trying to catch criminals.

[@josephlopez6165]

@@MetalMasterdom The police substations are named for dead cops, usually. A rich guy in a nice neighborhood killed Phil Chacon, a domestic violence call. His rook had to drag him out, to no avail,, damn fine job, though. Imagine your training officer getting killed right in front of you, dragging him and returning fire, when you are still green. In Northeast Albuquerque, East of Tramway. Dude, My Training Officer Got Murdered is a sucky screenplay pitch, right? No wonder cops are stressed. The training is like our response to school shootings. Varied and sundry. And like our response to the 9/11 attacks. We fight the fights we trained for, the reflexes are to Dunning Kruger and mount up, unfortunately. The CIA tortures instead of winning hearts and minds. The cops, too. Now, we see a want to turn the tables, not seek reform and rehabilitation of community.

[@dollcrazy300]

Great suggestions! But....yes there is a but. But what would happen to prisons, particularly private prisons, if police were focused on good policing instead of statistics? Did you know that there is a prison lobby that constantly pushes to make almost everything a crime? Got to fill those beds. Money, money, money!

[@haveabanana2930]

Yes! Exactly, this and the war on drugs (drug users need rehab, not prison) are major problems. They get too much money from locking people up!

[@dollcrazy300]

Hannah Bagnall 👍🏿!

[@darnh6012]

@@haveabanana2930 Yes! It's kinda strange that being a drug addict is essentially a crime. If alcoholism was a crime, then a quarter of the population would be in jail. I believe crimes committed while under the influence of drugs or alcohol should still be against the law.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

This private prison thing is kind of misunderstood. Most U.S. prisons, like 90% or more are publicly operated. People also have the cause and effect backwards when it comes to prison populations. Privatising prisons was a response to there being so many prisoners that counties and states were going bankrupt trying to keep these prisons operating.

[@kesmarn]

Yes! You nailed it.

[@pocoeagle2]

"Doctor, you got 26K more subs in just 11 days". I'm sure a few years ago, you would have said to me; "Are you kidding me"? Thanks for all the hard work you're doing for us, Dr. Grande 😃🇳🇱

[@ellenchesnut3227]

I would add creating a transition time between serving in the military in combat and joining the police. This is probably the contributing factor behind the man shot dead in Seattle a few years ago. The policeman had just returned from a tour of duty abroad, and misinterpreted a deaf wood carver holding a knife as an enemy combatant.

[@JellyBeanInTheNight]

This was the most intelligent discussion of this topic that I’ve ever heard. Thank you.

[@almo33YO]

Thank you for continuing to take a scientifically, research based video on this topic. My husband has worked in LEO for 15 years and it’s a tough job. The amount of death threats they and their families get on a regular basis is awful.

[@willnill7946]

Well outside of people who have been victims of criminals, people love criminals

[@dotdashdotdash]

will Nill - how about those four BLM activists who kidnapped a white disabled man and beat him up on Facebook Live, for the crime of being white. Now that’s something.

[@willnill7946]

Rocio well they were making racial comments. But again if the perpetrator is black and the victim is white it most certainly has nothing to do with race. White people are very well trained to take it and enjoy it

[@kavannahlight5378]

What an interesting and poignant review! I served as a military police officer and experienced civilian and federal law enforcement police street duty. I am female and everything you said about the police profile is 100% correct. I left the profession due to the growing and out of control corruption. The pressure to be corrupt is immense!! I live in Collier County Fl (Naples) the sheriff's department here is beyond corrupt. It is so sad to see. Civilian oversight is needed, especially on Police Professional Responsibility Boards. Thank you for such a fair and unbiased look at both questions.

[@zampano6363]

As with everything, education is key. We all have a lot to learn as humans, how to coexist, how to get over the past. BLM doesn't want the police to not exist, just have different first responders for different types of events. Crisis council, domestic council, mental health council. No cops showing up on edge, cops are for criminals and crimes

[@weelee4352]

If that’s the case then we need to fund the police, not defund. In my opinion this BLM movement is built from a false narrative, a conspiracy I would call it. A conspiracy that cops are discriminatory against Black Americans which isn’t true. Every profession has bad apples, what’s important is keeping those bad apples out so they don’t spoil the rest.

[@zampano6363]

Let me repeat myself, education is key. You won't see the problems, if you're not properly educating yourself. My best friend, as a passenger in MY speeding car, was made to walk backwards on the interstate, towards a cop car. Not me tho, I was told "I should stay safe" then why is my innocent passenger walking backwards in 70 mile an hour traffic, hands in the air, towards a gun?

[@weelee4352]

The_Hermit's Perspective Education is key but blacks are not oppressed by systematic racism because it doesn’t exist anymore. It’s a false narrative. Drawing conclusions based off little info or evidence. There’s no bigger issue, every thing is handled case by case. I don’t know your friend, I don’t know you, but you have no proof of anything racist happening. You’re just speculating.

[@zampano6363]

My black friend being profiled as a criminal before they even got a look at his face is racism. Point blank period. Clearly, you will never see it, are you blessed? Ignorantly.

[@Queen-of-Swords]

I've had a very interesting life. Over the last 7 years I have sued both a Local Authority CPS department and The Metropolitan Police (London, UK). Due to the consequences of Narcissist engaging them as agents. He told tall tales, and they believed him. It became a nasty spat when I kicked back and went public. I became harassed by the local police that worked with the CPS. So personally I believe it would be a very good thing to assess the police for psychopathic traits. During the time this was happening, I had one cop pull up at the lights whilst I was waiting for a bus, and laugh in my face. They seemed to enjoy bullying me, it was a fun game of "kick the hippy". I won my case against the Local Authority, the police wrote and offered a settlement last week for a laughable sum and without disclosure of the documents they have hidden from me for the past 9 years. I have yet to see a warrant for what went on and I suspect I won't, because it was done illegally. Far too much power in too few hands.

[@jguenther3049]

There's only one possible explanation for Rotherham.

[@Shadow1Yaz]

I think you should read an article called “confessions from a former bastard cop” the writer explains that nearly all cops break the law and states if we focused on why people commit crimes we could prevent them before police needed to get involved.

[@nerdieone1]

He still didn't deserve how he died.

[@dotdashdotdash]

nerdieone1 he probably did

[@emma-moonlighttarot7740]

@@dotdashdotdash no one deserves to die just because they wrote a bad check

[@lisamarielund6292]

Koko B Ware So? That cop took it upon himself to be judge, jury and executioner. George Floyd never killed anybody but Derek Chauvin did.

[@HumanimalChannel]

Theyre at hugh risk of vicarious trauma. And compassion fatigue. This video is worth a few listens.

[@JonBernard41]

A few additional issues: Malicious intent. Malicious Compliance. Semiliterate. Self-seekers.

[@75YBA]

Authoritarian parenting style contributes to this culture as well. “My way or the highway” leads to children who abuse people when they grow up and get a gun & badge. Dr. Baumrind established this in ‘67.

[@martinheath5947]

The much older black generations who worked hard, obeyed the law and gained respectabilty would wholeheartedly disagree.

[@katybee3891]

Clyde Denby all authoritarian parents I know raised children who would lie and manipulate excessively and wouldn’t be able to seek help when they had problems and rather try to manipulate themselves out of the situation or shift blame. A lot of them were also engaging in self harming behavior.

[@gomiladroogies5951]

@@martinheath5947 cringe lord alert wee woo wee woo

[@dreamof_me]

Clyde Denby establishing and reinforcing rules can be healthily with communication and flexibility to a child’s needs and abilities (for example, a high schooler and elementary schooler having different bed times or different chores)

[@Camie.in.Philly]

@@martinheath5947 exactly. We had very strict rules to follow. Beginning in the 1980s and 90s we began raising our children the way we heard on Oprah and Dr. Phil where they scolded the parents for being strict and telling us we should be our children's friend. All respect went out the door and these Kids are now buck wild and spoiled to the point that you can't tell them they are wrong and they truly believe life is all about the individual so they don't take turns and want what they want when they went it smh. 🤔

[@S-R-H]

I worked for a psych facility for mostly homeless individuals. We had a crisis team that the police would call and we would pick up the person, either from the police or the ER, and then bring them to our facility, triage the person and find housing and provide a psych appointment, if needed. I believe this helped tremendously to reduce bad outcomes with the police. The training needed to be a psych RN or social worker is immense. Police...almost no training. Police are NOT equipped to deal with the majority of calls they get. Almost nobody wants to get rid of ALL police. It's about taking the money used for military gear used to torment peaceful protesters and hire more people that are trained in social services and community services. There are other ways to handle homelessness and drug abuse outside of arresting and criminalizing it. I am a family of nurses, but I also have family in law enforcement. The police are above the law, literally. Look up qualified immunity if you don't believe it. The system was built on racism. There is no way of fixing it. Good cops that turn in bad cops are threatened, fired, and destroyed. There's no way to fix that. There are other ways to provide public safety that do not include harassing homeless people, civil forfeiture, and seven-figure settlements for murdering unarmed people. This country is so resistant to change it is literally killing us. Also, I believe we need a system similar to jury duty so no one person is reviewing use of force incidents repeatedly. That way, it helps to avoid people being too afraid to hold cops accountable.

[@k.a.2241]

This is exactly right. What the Dr is NOT discussing is that there HAS been research on personality and professions. Sociopaths choose law enforcement, military, leadership positions. There is also a high incidence of domestic violence among police. All the above speaks to personality factors associated with low empathy and low agreeableness, 2 factors you DONT want in civil servants..ie police. He is also not discussing how the "defund" movement like you said is really a "re-allocation" or resources movement. Its amazing how mental health professionals can work in violent psych ERs or inpatient units, but manage not to KILL their patients.

[@artyomarty391]

well, duh. Cops dont get paid enough to have a masters in psychology in addition to their training. Who the hell is going to work for 50k a year if they have to finish police academy, a law school, and get a masters in psychology? and screw your psycho treatment training. That is not the problem System is built on racism because racist people like you see what they want to see - racism. Everywhere you look, you see racism. This is because you're one and police are supposed to be above the law. How are they to do their job if they arent? Without qualified immunity, cops will get sued all the time making it pointless to do their work. Why would I work for 50k a year if I get sued for the same amount every year even though I do my job perfectly right? (note that its very easy to win a civil law suit) and harassing homeless people? Cops just trying to remove them from the streets. Homeless have so many social programs in this country that they're almost a privileged class, they just cant be living on our sidewalks and all because its filthy for others Only thing I agree on is decriminalization of drugs and other petty crimes: its unjust and inhumane to cage people for petty offenses

[@desahnwelch5305]

I like that Dr. Grande explains these topics very coherently and logically, another great video!

[@ilovegeenadavis]

I wish a social worker was required to be acquainted with every police officer , not only to help diffuse, but bc social workers are notoriously better at recording and writing down situations from an objective position, unlike police.

[@weirdandlazy1]

Lluvia DeOtona social workers also enable the system of incarceration of vulnerable populations

[@josephlopez6165]

Innocent until proven guilty. Shouldn't the officer warrant requests and other prosecutorial review requests for additional investigation in felony cases be supervised by the Public Defender? We are taught in debate classes to routinely switch sides on arguments, it helps to see all the perspectives better. Our officers in law enforcement might try to change culture to realize true Peace Officer status, not a militarized War Officer mentality. Misdemeanor Court is well within the capabilities of a well trained officer. No lawyer required, and the maximum consequence is a year in jail, not prison. City jail for up to a year, though, is still a lot if the dynamic Dr. Grande discusses manifests and it is just a case of contempt of narcissist cop. Maybe public defenders offices need to be in charge of a review of misdemeanor cases for rights violations, errors in procedure, and rule of law issues in general.

[@ilovegeenadavis]

Joseph Lopez I see your position, I hear you, I just don’t understand why the same officer who shows up to a bank robbery shows up to a suicide attempt

[@ilovegeenadavis]

when we know they don’t have that type of training

[@josephlopez6165]

@@ilovegeenadavis The hybrid system I was trained in was the result of civil unrest in Albuquerque. The school system defunded the government in a way, when a 1971 riot sparked by a juvenile arrest attempt at an until then peaceful riot in Roosevelt Park spilled over onto the Textbook Building area, and they burned it down and hurt employees. The schools hired a former FBI agent who had helped to investigate the Mississippi Sovereignty Commission murders, to provide a security force to respond when the city, county and state had no one to send, like in the riot. They did other things too, like become self-insured, since the State Insurance Authority was not helpful. I was trained as a police officer who could take that basic training and then go to specialized NON police training to address the needs of the school district. We needed people who could catch burglars, not someone to write reports about it. We needed a way to address life safety at crowds that might get rowdy. We needed people trained in arson and vandalism investigation, with the ability to close cases and get restitution, not nothing. The department slowly mutated into a police department, using the Columbine murders, as well as others, to justify it. The funny thing? I was the supervisor at JeffCo, where the murders occurred, a few years later when the lawsuits about the deaths came back. They told us to disarm, and focus on safety. The cops were responsible for detecting, preventing, investigating, and building a case on murderers, not principals and safety folk. Specialists who respond to each crime, not necessarily armed up cops, is what we did for years at APS when the cops had no one to send. Ironically, the City of Albuquerque, after shooting a bunch of people who didn't deserve to die for contempt of cop, are doing something similar. They are going to do the very thing you speak of - train up a Safety force that is unarmed and not in traditional uniform, to respond to mental health issues not involving imminent threats of death.

[@janewright315]

Great video, thank you. One point with which I do not completely agree, however. At the beginning you were pretty careful to differentiate defunding from a concept closer to abolishing, but your later comments seemed to group them together again. If excessive funds of police departments for weaponry, toys (story out now about a $368k swat vehicle Halifax was about to buy, plenty of this is US too) extra time for thinks like marijuana and drug enforcement etc are cut and redirected to more appropriate staff or community groups, it arguably frees up remaining police time and funds for more serious crimes- serial killers, etc. I do think we should legalise/decriminalise and regulate all drugs (this seems to have been successful in Portugal), and establishment a system where drug related questions are dealt with as a medical issue. So for the question of defunding the police, I will have to disagree thay it would result in lawlessness. It seems that it would weed out waste of time and money and re-focus police on serious crimes and perhaps even smaller crimes which have a wider impact on others or the environment.

[@haveabanana2930]

Yes!!!!!!✊

[@travailier]

I agree with your initial assessment regarding @DrGrande 's viewpoint. It first appears that he understands there is a distinction... but then it appears that he's grouping them together under the same umbrella... which only adds to the confusion. Abolishment is NOT defunding... plain and simple. And abolishment is NOT the same as restructuring/redoing an entire police department (as in what Camden New Jersey did). Any form of "lawlessness" would be under total abolishment. Defunding is exactly what it means: less funding. But this idea includes the concept of transferring the excess funds to other areas in the community. Abolishment is simply to do away. These clear distinctions need to be made clear AND need to remain focused. For the most part... the "slogan" of defunding the police is an umbrella that would cover both less funding to the police and added funding to the community... but it is ALSO understood that a restructuring of the police culture is paramount. There is confusion regarding these ideas which leads to misconceptions and misunderstanding and therefore hurts any meaningful dialog. Then you add people purposefully misinforming others for their own agendas.

[@Scrattah]

It’s amazing hearing the thoughts and opinions of someone who focuses on logic. I’ve never thought it was that amazing a feat to focus on logic but the more I’ve lived, the more scarce I’ve found people pursuing truth or questioning their own cognitive bias. Typically people find this questioning shows a lack of confidence, but it is a necessary process to get anywhere near the truth. Thank you for pursuing logic, all of your viewers benefit from it.

[@churly9717]

More stringent criteria during recruitment, classes in how to act human and three counts of overzealous behaviour and you're out. Regular drug tests too.

[@teresahowick5197]

Yes yes and yeeeesssss!!

[@MetalMasterdom]

How about my idea of double punishment for those lawbreakers sworn to uphold the law?

[@sherunswithscissors]

How can you take a class in acting human? Until police unions are broken no overzealous actions will be punished.

[@MetalMasterdom]

@@sherunswithscissors I would like to think all classes teach how to act like a decent human being. It's seems to be more of an unlearning process that needs addressed. And I'm not sure where you're going with the unions comment. It sounds like you don't know who the police really answer to for their crimes. 1 entity. The District Attorney. Also known as the Grand Jury. That's what needs abolished.

[@sherunswithscissors]

MetalMasterdom - sorry I don’t agree - the reason Chauvin wasn’t charged right away - the union gives officers 48 hours to get their ducks in a row before being charged. Suspended without pay? the union will pay you. Cities are being strangled by these unions. How many complaints are actually followed up on - I read less than 10%. Name me one officer who was found guilty of killing someone and did time? Agree about the DA though - the rot is everywhere.

[@marylamb7707]

We had satellite police offices in our neighborhoods. They closed them all about 15-20 years ago. It was a bad idea because, before the community got to know the officers on a more personal level. The police got to know the trouble makers and the pillars. My brother is a retired S.W.A.T team officer. Your analyses is pretty spot on. They have an incredibly diffucult job.

[@BrainsApplied]

I think one of the problems is the militarization of the police. Giving officers heavy weaponry doesn't send a good, de-escalating message towards the officers or their opponents. Of course, the USA is the most armed country on the planet. But I do think the police should have different equipment (and perhaps better training).

[@BrainsApplied]

@@wendyj.3858 I think that's a different scenario. But let's say the BLM protests. In some cities they're seriously armed to the teeth. (If that's the right expression.)

[@josephlopez6165]

Have you seen the training they get? I graduated from the June 1989 BCSD - TVI Academy for my job as a school cop. Street Survival and other "Warrior" based training becomes popular, even when the department won't pay for it, when cops get mowed down in ambushes. Then, the cops get too aggressive, because we revert to training under stress, and the "I won't die in a dirty alley I will FIGHTFIGHTFIGHT until my last breath, my compadres are coming, someone will hear, the ambulance will come, and I won't die" thingie rings out in your head when the ugly shit goes down and its your job to keep the peace. But, you just had WARRIOR training on your red SOP pages of high risk, high consequence, low training, low incidence life safety concerns. The red pages are the ones that you don't tend to do much, but have the most consequences as far as keeping the peace and making things safe for the citizenry you serve. When school shootings happen, they arm the school security, right? But, at Columbine High, the JeffCo School Security became unarmed, when the lawsuits determined that the cops and sherrifs were responsible for murders on campus, not security dudes and dudettes. Funny. The lessons taken from the same incident cause other districts to hire in-house armed up militarized full-on shotgun toting cops, as the actual area where it happened had the security become unarmed and focus on more narrow concerns.

[@pennytracy8012]

@Rachel P you should read the question again. What equipment should police have available when serving an arrest warrant on a person KNOWN to have guns and is wanted for murder?

[@cathyrivera5791]

Dr. Grande: Your intelligence, integrity, morals, ethics and humor are greatly appreciated. Thank you

[@kevinouellette5316]

All that may be true, but you never even met the guy. He could be quick tempered, mean, a law breaker and violent and you couldn't know. Don't be creepy Cathy

[@emarie1513]

Looking at the comments first then listening to your video, it’s amazing how different people seem to have heard completely different things from your video. I think you are right about the problems of the police culture, becoming the “them verses us” mentality. Being a nurse working for years in emergency psychiatry I would deal with the police daily. I found them incredibly patient and kind with seriously mentally ill persons. I also found them often rather gullible with persons who were sociopaths doing mayhem, but were not psychotic. It may be because the police assigned to bring EDP’s (emotionally disturbed persons) to psych EDs are generally rookies. I have to say I really enjoyed the interactions I had with these officers in general. I think one answer is to require police to have more education in mental health issues, communication skills, and have all interactions filmed with body cameras to increase transparency. Regular debriefings and analysis of the how officers handled these interactions from people not hostile to authority would need to happen. Mental health workers cannot be substituted for the police, crime does exist, has to be dealt with. Sociopathic criminals already are using public opinion to their advantage to avoid being arrested, when this happens public opinion will swing the other way.

[@JohnPaul-le4pf]

I think you both have some truth to tell, "Marie" and "Liza."

[@ajhproductions2347]

More people should be watching this particular video. The analysis of the required mental faculties required to be in law enforcement is like taking the red pill, without having to call yourself "woke" or some other buzz word. I'm proud to be on your team Dr. Grande.

[@jbweld6193]

This all starts and ends with politics. Why not defund the politicians instead?

[@haveabanana2930]

Politicians no longer work for the people. From what i understand, we have allowed them to be funded by corporations through citizens united. We must get corporations and their influence out of politics by overturning citizens united. Corporations are not people and do not have our best interests in mind, and neither will politicians if they continue to be bought and owned by these corporations.

[@briancrawford8751]

You can't without changing the Constitution.

[@Selfloathingmisanthrope]

Why are lobbyists legal? Why dont we defund them first? Shouldnt that be the priority?

[@Selfloathingmisanthrope]

@@briancrawford8751 the first 20 or so amendments are fine, the rest are to shelter congress critters from corruption

[@RoCkbunny769]

Or both.

[@NickieMonroe]

I need dr Grande to run for public office or become a high level advisor. He has so mucj critical skill thinking its truly awesome. I become he could bring alot of different personalities and backgrounds together.

[@thomascrumb6286]

Jay Monroe clearly you have no critical thinking ability.

[@foojeng]

Could you please do a video on Prince Andrew and his interview regarding Jeffrey Epstein?

[@poponachtschnecke]

JCS Criminal Psychology did a good one on that

[@dotdashdotdash]

Also do one on the downfall of ex-Prince Harry after marrying the grandiose narcissist, Meghan Markle.

[@megalopolis2015]

Excellent, balanced analysis of this difficult topic. It's wonderful to have a voice of reason in these troubling times.

[@QueenOfHeartsx]

I was very surprised to hear you say that "places that decide to defund police would become extremely dangerous" and that defunding police would lead to "a guaranteed increase in (...) lawlessness". Have you had a chance to look at any abolitionist texts? The problem with the "law" is 1) it is not applied equally and 2) the very concept of "legality" is arbitrary. slavery was legal. segregation was legal. the systems that have been used to oppress people have historically always had the "law" on their side. Taking money away from these systems to redistribute within the community and actually tackle the symptoms of crime VS throwing them in the system to use for prison labour then spitting them out with no support years later - which one sounds like it would yield better results? We've tried, still trying, one way and it's NOT working.

[@haveabanana2930]

Great comment💯% right!!!

[@Sweetpea1128]

I have dated a state trooper for 18 years (he is retired) and also worked for him in his investigation business as an investigator and a legal nurse consultant. It has been quite an adventure, and he is quite a person and a bit of a legend in our state and local police departments statewide. I introduced him to the DSM. He loved it. He asked me once if I thought he was in it. I told him we all are. He said, “Well what am I?” I told him I think he is a “well-socialized antisocial personality”. He loved it! He is a staunch defender of women and children, and has worked tirelessly in his day tracking down perpetrators and murderers and getting them off the street. Your video summation is excellent. Thank you for this upfront analysis. 👍🏻

[@Tech215Studios]

I’m not a words smith like you Dr. G but I’ll say this. The recent events with George Floyd was a horrible act of racism and hate and that’s gotta stop in this country. BOTTOMLINE. Cause I feel like 95% of the population regardless of color gets along just fine. It’s that 5% that is creating the racial tension in this country. I really wish everybody would just treat each other with respect and be courteous and nice to each other. In terms of the Police I feel the same way. It’s that 5-10% that make them look bad. At our University we have a team of constables and Guards that are 95% comprised of former and retired State and County Police of all different backgrounds. I agree with you we need to get them help when they have mental health issues. I don’t think a lot of people consider when being pulled over for example, what the officer could be going through in there life that day. They could be under stress, depressed, feeling pressure from the boss, going thru a divorce have a sick child, we don’t know. So when the person being pulled over gives them an attitude or is rude the officer has a higher chance of “Bad Decision Making” or “Making a huge error in judgement. BOTTOM LINE: Things need to change and we all should be communicating and working out our differences. Everybody needs to have empathy and be compassionate - and it needs to start RIGHT NOW. Or things are going to get UGLY and FAST!!! If we don’t band together and work this out all of the progress we’ve made over the last 50 years will be a waste and that’s a real shame. Great Video as always!!!

[@Tech215Studios]

Kasia it’s all so complicated. There are times where the cops are just doing their job and regardless of race people act irrationally and force cops to make a move. Black White it happens to all Races. Then again there is the misuse of brut force, police brutality. It’s all very complicated and so many instances were the circumstances are different. But regardless things need to change. Weather we like it or not we only have one earth to share and we’re all different and need to learn to just be respectful of each other. Same with religion, sex, age. I honestly think as every generation of people are born, racism especially will diminish. Kids today are more blended than ever. Something that wasn’t as prevalent in say my parents generation. It’s sad to say but I honestly think once the people that are in there 60, 70, and 80s pass away. There will be so much less of this shit. Kids being born today aren’t subjected to racism like prior generations before. I honestly think as time goes on more and more - it will hopefully go away. Or at least not be as prevalent. Let’s hope it does so we can grow as a society instead of regress.

[@darlalathan6143]

Of course, rude civilians may also have stressors the officer doesn't know about, that cause "Bad Decision Making" or "contempt of cop" as police say. However, police should be trained in proper threat assessment, so they don't mistake an irate citizen for a violent criminal in a heated argument over a traffic stop or a SWAT raid on the wrong apartment. Reforming police brutality requires changing rules in the police departments, not demanding black civilians show perfect etiquette when arrested, because brutality is against unarmed, peaceful, even sleeping people. That standard of respect for authority provokes cops to brutality. For instance, in the above cases, autobahns, online stores, home offices and self-driving cars would reduce traffic stops and brutality on them. Legalizing drugs and prostitution would prevent police raids on any houses, and therefore on the wrong house. Legalizing public sex would eliminate police raids on men's restrooms or "tearooms" and prevent police brutality against same-sex active men of all colors.

[@kelseycoca]

I think you make an excellent point about prioritizing mental health in the justice system, when dealing with the public and with officers of the law. Our current system is severely underprepared to handle the intricacies and idiosyncrasies of this topic. Also, "Vegas, now with more serial killers!" made me laugh, I immediate thought: "what happens in Vegas (literally) stays in Vegas". Great job, as always!

[@SymSne]

I think you need to look into Right Enforcement Agencies and polycentric law. We don't need to have a monopoly of police nor law.

[@3_up_moon]

Dr. Grande, Please familiarize yourself with Camden, NJ police force. They changed the entire direction of their police department. Instead of training them for combat and dominance over the populace, they are taught community policing. Their crime rate went down by almost half when they changed the police force from a hammer into an adhesive that holds the community together.

[@monolith94]

As a conservative, I have no problem with retraining for a gentler, more community focused police. But when they say “defund the police” or “acab” then I’m out.

[@3_up_moon]

@@monolith94 you are falling victim to the branding game. You cant just take it for what it seems like on the surface. I dont know why they choose such unintuitive names for these movements. It ends up as a cognitive shutdown, which is exactly what you just said happened to you.

[@tommyegirl]

Dr. Grande, can you do a short video on ocean? What is the definition of each characteristic and how do you score them?

[@albrunelle2010]

Wow! This was the first and only rational and calm solution I’ve ever heard. Why aren’t you on all the news shows explaining this?

[@MetalMasterdom]

It's highly likely my brother, whom suffered from paranoid schizophrenia, would not have been killed by police via the excessive use of force if mental health professionals were at the scene. So obviously that I'm for. As well as everything else mentioned. I would also like DRAMATICALLY stiffer punishment for police who break laws. It stands to reason that someone sworn to uphold the law is breaking that oath as well as the law. In a sense they're "more criminal" than citizen lawbreakers because of this. And it would logically follow that they be held more accountable. Perhaps it's too strict, but I would like to see a mandatory doubling in the severity of sentence. Citizen might get 5 years in prison, police officer might get 10 years. For the same crime. Incentivizing them more strongly to be lawful in their actions.

[@AT-qd2cv]

Officers commit these crimes while in a position of trust and power, they should absolutely face higher sentences than normal criminals

[@rachelsanders2314]

Metal Masterdom - Sorry for your loss.

[@SHurd-rc2go]

Thank you, Dr. Grande. A subject that doesn't affect me; I just hope for the best for all. Stay well. We need your take on these important subjects.

[@mariee.5912]

👏👏👏great take Dr. Grande. My friend's son has a mental illness and sometimes she has to call 911. Usually thr police arrives before the paramedics. My friend always tells the operator, I don't need the police my son is agressive, but he is not violent. Anyways the police gets there. They have been very good in problem resolution. some of them have experience with mental illneses. There had been many cases involving policing and mental health. Thank you.

[@Valerie-Love]

You are so intelligent and non biased Dr. Grande. Your expertise could really help make these changes 💗

[@meganmoore9811]

Did the switch to para military uniforms in some places change their demeaner? Always wondered... I am for having police.

[@Fcreceptor]

It’s possible. The police and other similar agencies are trained by the military. One such example of this military style activity was with Waco. ATF wanted to play war games on a group that could have been arrested without any problems otherwise. I think a big part of it is society. People used to be better about treating others in authority with respect. The amount of assaults on healthcare workers is extremely high as well, and it’s all due to entitlement. People think they can do whatever they want and anyone that tells them no gets assaulted or treated like garbage. No one seems to raise their kids with respect now.

[@kesmarn]

Good point. Also -- supplying relatively small town police departments with tanks and Hummers and other leftover military equipment from various unfortunate engagements in the Middle East and elsewhere might have caused some changes in attitudes too.

[@grmpEqweer]

Apparently wearing military style gear did raise aggression.

[@keith3819]

@@DAV1979 The goal is to enforce the law. The DA ultimately determines what the charge will be.

[@nessiequin]

Dr. G hits it out of the park with his thorough and thoughtful analysis, per usual!

[@coffeedrinker2011]

I'd like to hear an analysis of the Daniel Holtzclaw case from Dr. Grande please.

[@DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT]

A refreshingly sane response and rational comments on a very divisive topic in which too many people claim to know what's best and have the answer when in fact they have zero insight and are acting solely upon an emotional/political response, providing simplistic answers to a complex social problem. In this country, critical thinking is the greatest deficit.

[@jodimarie379]

I guess I am very curious about where you are coming up with the definitions for "defunding" the police?

[@willnill7946]

From the word defund probably

[@linzum1812]

will Nill defund in this context means redirecting funds, not abolishing police

[@christinley5213]

Go dr. Grande!!!!! I wish you had a say so in some of these issues!!!! if you ran for president..you have my vote!

[@psycherevival2105]

I think I’ve been watching too much Dr. Grande because I dreamt about him last night! Awesome commentary on the police and mental health etc. it’s definitely a shame that the bad apples are ruining the reputations of those upstanding police officers. It really is a tricky situation. We must be careful to not start to be prejudiced against any group of people whether it’s because they’re wearing a uniform or because of the colour of their skin.

[@RayRaypewpew]

I respect your viewpoint on getting ahead of the problem with implementing programs for officers to get mental health treatment in lieu of hiding their feelings with alcoholism. I personally feel that, in general, police with alcohol or prescription drug excessive use should be re-evaluated constantly for their competence for certain positions within the profession.

[@jasonmorris7764]

The idea here is you demand a major change then negotiate down instead of asking for incremental change and ending up with nothing.

[@3_up_moon]

Exactly, theyve missed the point of the movement. Normally, Dr. Grande is on point with these types of issues but he kind of missed the boat on this one.

[@novac1990]

The system could calapse aswell if moved to quickly. Its very hard to make systems better very easy to destabilize and make a problem much worse. First you need to make sure the changes are sustainable for long periods and reversible if they lead to undesired outcomes. I think its good that pressure is being put on the police but to much will have the opposite affect. The past 5 years police recruitment has been reduced by 65 percent. I can only imagine what its going to be after the recent events. I know several that are now choosing military over police options for jobs.

[@pencilfriendpaperscribbler6032]

Thank you for addressing such a difficult topic. Problem solving with regards to complex topics like this one is effortful and tiring. There are many issues to balance. I appreciate the effort you make for these videos.

[@bh5606]

Fifteen minutes isn't enough time to discuss this topic.

[@dotdashdotdash]

Ben Jonson but still 14 minutes longer than the average person’s attention span

[@sloyd1879]

Thank you for a level-headed analysis of this issue. Informative and not fear-mongering. Your channel is so refreshing! I hope that society can find a middle ground and a more sympathetic police force.

[@ItsLikeMagiic]

I agree, but I think you took "defund the police" too literally. Most if not all the people who say it are actually saying something similar to you in the first place, police officers need to exist but there are other people more suited to aspects of their jobs, and they need more training and monitoring.

[@toolboxevolution7456]

Re personality profile, EXCELLENT choice of topic. I LOVE me some Dr. Grande.

[@Lorenzogino]

'defund the police' doesn't just mean switch out cops for mental health services and social workers. its about taking the overblown police budgets and putting it to use in affordable housing, education, health care, and other social programmes that attack the source of most crime - poverty and lack of opportunity. with this understanding and these goals, the idea that it will attract more criminality, the kind that requires a constant strong police presence, is dubious.

[@haveabanana2930]

So many intelligent and correct comments here. Im guessing the Dr. has a lot of Bernie supporters following because so much of what is said here is exactly what he has been saying.

[@Bulletproof222]

Where are you getting this? "Defund the police" seems to mean whatever someone wants it to mean. You ask 100 people and get 100 different answers.

[@saharabeats]

Exactly

[@ricardodsavant2965]

Your message is cloudy if you have to explain what 'defund the police' means.

[@MetalMasterdom]

@@Bulletproof222 Word. To me it means anarchy. I could also provide a relatively meaningless argument to support why. Pointlessness.

[@sheilamacpherson4948]

I agree. But i don't think the general public understands what it is like to do a job where you are constantly in a state of fight or flight, and then asked to address a resistant person.

[@juliusejudo]

I would love you to do a breakdown of the personality type of the rioters and looters. What leads them to destroy and disrupt instead of other means that would actually work for their cause and not so blatantly against it.

[@belledebeaujolais6136]

This is the most in-depth analysis of all time.

[@snoopy1977]

I was with a man before and after he was a cop...the personality change was like night and day. He turned into a completely different person.

[@kensyskye8965]

Baumer77 in what way?

[@dotdashdotdash]

I have a friend who is a police officer, he and his wife are lovely people. I’ve known them 20 years and they have never been anything but decent.

[@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10]

I had the same experience. He became a total dick.

[@oddwad6290]

Exceptional video . Very well thought out and presented .

[@raslalique]

Sorry Dr Grande, you haven't covered the defund the police adequately in this video. Some extremists say what you describe but most people want something such as was done in Cambden, New Jersey. Also, this move asks for more funding to mental health services, less military training and less military tools which are more lethal and encourage police officers to behave more aggressively. Military training, for example, encourages officers to shoot the body until it stops moving. This is not a good practice for handling issues with civilians and other countries such as the UK have shown that excessive force and routine use of deadly weapons is unnecessary

[@raslalique]

@@valerierodger7700 Military training aims to kill. Police don't have a plan to kill in most countries outside of the US. Also, some places in the UK have armed officers. So what? Even there they aren't racking up kills like some sick sort of video game. Look up a study from the University of Utah about how militarised police forces having more kills

[@yvettemarshallTWN]

i found your opinions to be very reasonable. also, distinction should be made between defunding/re-distributing police funds and abolishing the police. law enforcement should not be expected to be psychiatrists. mental distress is a big problem in abused/vilified communities.

[@epicmercury333]

As always, Dr. Grande, I much appreciate your piercing analysis of this complex issue.

[@tomtruett1946]

I think there might be real benefit in this video being part of a dialogue or discussion involving a group of different voices. Would love to hear from police professionals. This discussion is very important for our entire culture. I especially like the idea of addressing stress in policing. I think physiological stress responses are a large part of what is happening. Also, reintegrating police officers with their communities.

[@BeefGold]

Hey, he said the alcoholism word! I think that's a tremendous subject to explore. I think cops are mostly bored half to death much of the time. I don't mean to trivialize what cops do, and I don't think the solution is to excite them more often, but when I play through what I understand must be a cop's average day is versus what that cop probably had in mind when he or she decided they'd like to be a cop, I see a huge potential for a lot of substance abuse and something like communal enabling.

[@j9andphoenix]

The implementation of body cam has been a godsend in assisting in transparency in the circumstances of interactions between officers and the public.

[@kensyskye8965]

On the point you made about police liking the adrenaline high etc. I was in hospital a couple of years ago speaking to a young nurse and I asked her if she liked her job. I was so shocked when she said “Not really as it’s quite boring unless we get a shooting or something like that” 🤭😥😣

[@sad_doggo2504]

Thank you, I have felt alone in thinking many of these same things. I can't help but be on everybody's side in a conflict but this issue is so polarizing. Your clearheadedness and empathy are a breath of fresh air.

[@roystonsbailey]

Elon Musk personality profile PLEASE

[@dotdashdotdash]

realavi could be too easy

[@rachelsanders2314]

realavi - Arrogant, impulsive, narcissistic. That describes Elon Musk to a T. 😊

[@TheManWhoTypes]

@@rachelsanders2314 you seem envious

[@dotdashdotdash]

Ddog - you seem judgey

[@TheManWhoTypes]

@@dotdashdotdash 🤨

[@chrisk6945]

From what I understand, the idea is to stop allocating as much money to police. The police have the funds they currently do that they're more than able to purchase combat gear, weapons and vehicles while trachers and doctors have no funds for basic necessities. I believe that's the idea behind defunding police. It's not abolishing, but only giving them what they need.

[@weirdandlazy1]

No. Police and mass incarceration need to be abolished.

[@dotdashdotdash]

asbhk what will stop the career criminals running amok? well meaning volunteers?

[@wilee.coyote5298]

Police have a difficult job. They often deal with the dregs of society. They also deal with suicidal people who use the police as a tool for their end means. There are individual bad police, but there are far more good ones. Unfortunately, there is no utopia.

[@kesmarn]

What a clear, rational assessment of this set of issues. I've always thought that nurses and police officers face similar job challenges in many ways. (RN here.) We tend to see people when they're (and maybe we are) not at their very best. They tend to be very stressed and to have significantly challenged coping abilities by the time we see them. (I'm thinking about nurses who work in hospitals for the most part here, although even elementary school nurses have their problems.) We're not supposed to reveal what may be our true feelings about some situations. Whether that be the urge to break down in tears or to show contempt for someone who -- say -- has a history of having been a child molester. The necessity for eternal professionalism seems to have the consequence of demanding some degree of ongoing emotional repression, which is hard to turn off once your shift is over. Having mental health professionals available in both professions seems like a great idea -- both for the patients (or citizens who have encounters with the police) and for the cops and nurses who find themselves under more and more scrutiny (and pressure) for the way they do their jobs.