The NEW AAM-3s Are Not What You Think They Are - Japanese F-15J

[@its_FUBAR]

I do believe that maneuver at 2:55 was actually a sideways 3 horizontal scissors trapezoid (with extra sauce) and not just a 1 circle.

[@DEFYN]

Aktuly its not a 1 circle either That was what he was trying to force 🤓🤓🤓

[@williewilson2250]

Offset 5 circle

[@MiaReiFilms]

​@@DEFYNdefi-senpai has declared WAR on useful short hand descriptions of dogfight geometry

[@cola-warthunder]

@@MiaReiFilms "useful"

[@MiaReiFilms]

@@cola-warthunder yea, unless you prefer to call out "I'm engaging in a turn fight in which a minimum radius and lower airspeed is advantageous for my nose position." Or sorry it's two circle so "I'm turning the other way from his nose, staying outside his nose cone, energy trapping him so he loses all of his airspeed"

[@Evrimomono]

I clicked faster than R27ER coming at me

[@christopherchartier3017]

Seriously, those things have been completely dominating BVR for like a year

[@aybaws]

27ERs come at you at like mach 5 lmao, way faster than any western missiles right now

[@derkaiser9881]

​@@christopherchartier3017All you have to do is fly low. It's really not that hard. Yeah they go Mach 5.8, but that doesn't matter if you're low--they just won't hit at all.

[@Vipixz109]

I clicked faster then an R-60MK going for 1 flare

[@williamgunter4268]

​@derkaiser9881 question u can done some like this, but I'm 50 feet above ground and hit still with a radar missle. What did I do wrong?

[@deadeyecpt.7765]

This thing is amazing, I haven't had this much fun in a plane since the EJ Kai dominance days.

[@BasileDebock]

I am now 400k away is ith realt good or just goof

[@trumpet112]

I just got it today and it's really good​@@BasileDebock

[@deadeyecpt.7765]

@@BasileDebock I'm serious, I really like it

[@Aetherblade-z4o]

Defyn been watching your channel for a while and your skills impress me thanks for the tutorials and the pilot academy wouldn't have gotten decent at the game if it wasn't for you your humor is also probably up there with the best on KZbin thanks for giving me some good memories 👍

[@henryatkinson1479]

5:30 This is my gripe with the Flanker. If the 9-13 had R-73s I'd be flying it over the Su-27 right now. Also, fun fact - the flanker we got can't carry the R-77, get ready to grind a 2nd one next patch.

[@MD-wn4ui]

Neither can the F15A (unless they make it a full MSIP)

[@henryatkinson1479]

@@MD-wn4ui Its already got the flares, they likely will. None of the current Su-27 is S-standard.

[@waldek7772]

@@MD-wn4ui f16c will get aim 120 anyway

[@daber6948]

In german tree you have 9-12 with R-73s

[@dotEXCEI_]

​@@daber6948? The german base 29 doesnt get 73's even tho it should. We have pics. Only the G gets 73's

[@brendan4190]

Defyn could you possibly do a video about how to deal with certain missiles? Whether it's radar or IR guided? Lately I've been getting slammed by R27's, ER and ET, and not sure what I'm doing wrong.

[@Denkmaldrubernacht]

Ground hug. Simple as

[@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917]

^ What he said

[@icantsleepman]

For the ET just be attentive and flare at a far enough range, don't let it get too close to your exhaust

[@pikaachoo3888]

Any radar missile, hug the ground or notch+chaff if you are high altitude. For IR missiles with gatewidth IRCCM like R-73, R;27ET, Magics, cut burner, turn slightly towards the missile and flare and avoid getting launched at below 1.5 km and rear aspect. For Suspension type IRCCM (AAM-3, AIM-9M) Flare then change direction

[@DEFYN]

Notching is pretty easy now other than that yeah hug deck Will make the video once we get active homing missiles so its not instantly obsolete

[@perhaps_not_]

Defyn, I just caught a 4lb bass, are you proud of me?

[@DEFYN]

How does this affect the bass population

[@perhaps_not_]

@@DEFYN the population will now increase due to witnessing me abduct their mate

[@shiprat7370]

What bait ya use?

[@perhaps_not_]

@@shiprat7370 I used a streamer

[@notfunny3397]

​@@shiprat7370a good master baiter never reveals his tricks

[@areyou0k98]

The number one issue ive seen is people trying to dogfight in the f-15 with their drop tanks still on, its in the name lol, the second you get into a fight you need to drop those tanks and get your full manuverability.

[@stoyantodorov2133]

Yeah, and taking only 20min internal fuel is very important. I’ve also noticed that the center fuel tank doesn’t impact manoeuvrability that much unlike the wing mounted ones which decrease roll rate a lot.

[@BTechUnited]

​@@stoyantodorov2133I noticed this too, at this point I'm bringing Min fuel with all 3 tanks, dump the outer ones on merge, and that still leaves me with enough most of the time. If it gets bad, can then dump the centreline.

[@danaolsongaming]

For those interested: 1-circle: nose-to-nose, favors high AoA aircraft 2-circle: nose-to-tail, favors high rate of turn aircraft.

[@HeyBigChriss]

Merry Christmas Defyn and viewers!

[@dragoneye0979]

At some point on the dev server, AAM3's had the same IRCCM as stingers and type 91's so they were essentially unflarable once they got their lock. I assume this has changed but I havent fought a single f-15J yet so I dont know for sure

[@batlax18]

I’ve got 15k rp till the Baz, very excited to have an F15 even if it’s radar missile kit isn’t great

[@hubril7921]

2:58 OMFG DEFYN USING FUNNI DCS FLIGHT SIM DOGFIGHT BFM WORDS?!?!?!??

[@mr_confuse]

He indeed tried to force a one circle fight, converting his energy into nose position in order to get a high aspect shot. Defyn quickly responds by denying him, instead forcing a two circle vertical spiral as he of course knows that delta wing relies on cashing in potential energy for nose position. By forcing the two circle fight the J8F was already dead as he over committed and never had a chance to begin with. He then quickly and mercilessly whoops his ass. Beautiful.

[@jaek__]

​@@mr_confuseno defyn needed to do the 42 circle and pluck 3 testicle hairs to make a geometrical bfm offset at 420° per circle and he woulda won

[@williewilson2250]

​@@jaek__drain and pluck

[@stuff1044]

12:30 I love how you gave the SU-27 a chance to fight back but still ended up full nelson'ing him in the end 💀💀💀

[@gliderfs621]

F15 🦅 is the GOAT 🦅 F stands for 🦅 Freedom 🦅 Fuck yeah 🦅

[@leroyjenkins0736]

Nha man im pretty sure thats a plane, kinda hard to tell tbh

[@dunlopman123]

Damn thank you man, i am very struggle with F-15A right now and this is very help me with the situation im in right now really.

[@massimovolpe1343]

Defyn do you think that gaijin should add something in the hud that tells us at which stage the afterburner is to make fuel consumption management a little bit easier. Right now the only way is looking at fuel consumption and guess at what stage youre at

[@MrPanzerCatYT]

I would like it along with real fuel time left but for now you can also look at engine temps to check afterburner stage too

[@chaosinsurgency6636]

@@MrPanzerCatYTtbh hud should have a option to show lb of fuel and Pound per hour so you know yourself

[@williewilson2250]

They can't because it's not actually supposed to be a feature like everyone makes it out to be, it works for anything that has wep including props

[@massimovolpe1343]

@@williewilson2250 ok but why do we have to be limited to only seeing wep? Why can't we see something like 105, 106 etc?

[@williewilson2250]

@@massimovolpe1343 because of gaijin's ass code that somehow runs this beautiful game, but I have gotten 101% or 102% before

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

the F15s are like ridiculously manouverable when going subsonic

[@tripodtodd9217]

As a really bad top tier player, this plane is a wet dream. So much fun.

[@bradentucker4854]

I’ve been having fun with the new jets to be honest but that’s probably cause I stopped for like all of November but the gripen has been my favourite jet by far

[@ArtietheArchon]

Hey Defyn I don't know if you're unaware of this or just intentionally not using it but the F-15 has a Vertical Scan auto-acquisition (dogfight) mode, just change radar modes while you're in the first dogfight mode. It's very useful in a turning fight

[@allaltitudeproductions]

13:20 F-16 trash in the rate fight? I think some war thunder modules are incorrect, because in the 2-circle the f-16 is legendary, and is ok in the turn-fight. I think WT made the Su-27 incorrectly, because the 2 aircraft are very similar.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

Also I’d be interested in a video on positioning/match start in top tier jets. I’ve only recently gotten to top tier but I don’t know how to do anything other than braindead fly left deck hugging coin flip at match start, and content creators (reasonably) cut out the beginning of the matches.

[@PSX_Kyle]

Damn this thing looks sick I’m at the A7m2 rn but these vids make the grind a lot easier

[@MajorCaleBrah]

bro get the a7m1... totally worth it. I did almost the entire grind in it to the F16AJ lol

[@foundedcupid5286]

The aam3 should be a lot better i think they will get buffs as the game goes on. aam3 should be the best non trust vectoring ir missile irl compareble to aim9m-8 and python 4

[@GothicHellhound]

Yeah same with the south African gripen, it should have A-darters which can 180 off the rail, but right now it would just end up too broken so hopefully later on they make these even better:>

[@spray916]

​​@@GothicHellhoundIt shouldn't??? Adarters aren't even a real missile??? None have been produced due to budget cuts and delays?

[@GothicHellhound]

@spray916 as if gaijin hasn't added fully functional rounds to vehicles? Why does it have skyflashes, why does it have 9ms? It never used them, shit pretty sure saaf retired their radar missiles after the cheetah for the most part, and it could have R-darters instead as well if they want it to have radar missiles

[@notafrog2040]

can’t wait for AAM-5 And Iris-T

[@notafrog2040]

@@GothicHellhoundA-Darter isn’t in service yet, so I don’t think it would be nice to see in game

[@aapopesonen2902]

I forgot to check the thumbnail and I thought this was the channel called "Not what you think".

[@martin1242s]

the only thing they are bad at are combination of their radar and 7M. For some reason they keep loosing track of enemy (for a reason I am not aware of, even the easiest of shots), or 7M decides to explode after 1km even if I had a stable lock.

[@antonytsai6611]

Now having the F15 I find the best dogfight speed is around 400-500 mph and the difference between 300mph and 400 mph when turning is evident as in 400 mph it turns really well but below that it turns into a brick sometimes

[@scorpion11729]

I found out they have ircm when I looked back and realized the missile did infact know where it was

[@ymroo8299]

On the bigger maps I had a fun time and best time slinging aim7ms and AAM3s in mach 2 since the airframe just accelerates, but you cant so it with most maps since by the time i hit 12k meters the enemy is already close enough to fire R27s

[@xyzhav]

i dont know about the team, but tonight 1 got 10 defeat in a row, and overal win rate ratio on my f15j only 36%, my team always blow up instantly when they reach the middle of the map

[@matiastorres1510]

Thank you for mentioning that Aim-7ms are bugged I couldn't tell if I was just going crazy or something.

[@MaisenOfHarlots]

Great video, informative as always. Quick question, do you plan on making a complete guide on how to evade common missiles of every nation in top tier air?

[@DEFYN]

Yeah waiting for active radar missiles atm to make it not instantly obsolete

[@Amexel]

9:52, maybe you should be worried about the JA37, I got a 7-kill match in a full uptier to 12.3 when I was researching the Gripen the other day. When the guns and the Skyflash decide to work, you can get alot of work done with the Viggen.

[@DEFYN]

I got 10 2 weeks ago in an uptier. Why? Cuz my opponents were bad 37 has no chance if i dont make big mistakes in an f15

[@Amexel]

trust me, I'm well aware. Just fooling around a bit 😜@@DEFYN

[@arcanos9706]

So glad to see someone not be whining about the F-15. Nice vid Defyn

[@fireraid2336]

Im assuming AAM-3 will get buffed as time goes on..its clear they are currently nerfed which i guess is fine.

[@Sky_Shas]

as is they're just copy pasted 9Ls with slightly less drag, so they don't pull close to the 40g advertised. So I imagine they'll get buffed if they think it needs it

[@emilelerate6454]

Christmas upload!!!!! Merry Christmas DEFYN.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

The Christmas present I wanted.

[@elenaeverett4481]

I've been hitting 4km, even some 6km side aspect shots with the AAM3s.

[@CarolusR3x]

I find it sad that the F-15 is the victim of Tiger tank syndrome.

[@farmcat9873]

@DEFYN 7:39 using these BIG words might confuse the WT crowd 🤯 ........ 🧠

[@Hunting_Party]

You only have a good time if you squad with a gripen. If you fly Japanese only, you get Japan+America vs everyone else and you lose almost every game.

[@DEFYN]

Basically The teams are not salvagable

[@Archangel6711]

Hey! How does the f-15 fair against the Gripen since the flight model changes. While flying mine I have really noticed much trouble rinsing f-15 players still.@@DEFYN

[@guian206]

Been watching your videos and it has helped me well in staying alive and getting kills more in top tier! Do you use stick controls or is it just keyboard and mouse?

[@michaelbraun74]

I’ve unlocked all the new planes and out of all the new planes. I like the F-15s, the most I have the most fun with them

[@benterblanche2744]

What do you think needs to happen with the mig 29smt now? The su 27 has way more missiles and what looks like much better flight performance. It seems that there is no reason to run the mig29smt now which makes me really sad as a USSR player. Do you think the mig 29 smt should be buffed so that it has better flight performance than the su 27? This would atleast give us the option of a missile bus or a nimble fighter to chose between.

[@jaek__]

SMT irl is kinda mid flight model wise so, if anything gaijin should just give the 9-13 its r73s

[@icantsleepman]

Once Fox-3's are added it's gonna be the plane to carry them for the russians. The Su-27 we have never did

[@jaek__]

@@icantsleepman probably going to add a su 27SM anyway cuz gaijin hates the mig 29s with all of their heart for sum reason

[@icantsleepman]

@@jaek__ probably but I doubt we'll see it that early. My guess'd be Fall/October Update next year. I do hope they give the 9.13/9.12 their R-73's tho

[@jaek__]

@@icantsleepman they said fox 3s are coming within the next 2 patches most likely with 16v16 too probably yippee

[@notnumbfruitcake0167]

I call bs incrimental gains on a missle that heavily relies on being a stealthy off bore suprise means alot more than it would on the L in most pub engagements alone. Just bc the 9m can already pull fairly hard with the right lead and distance rediculous 4km stealth missle compared to the worse drag 9L makes the aam3 look alot better

[@boop484]

The J in the F15J stands for (just better)🦅 🦅 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

[@camaradeKC]

the su27 airframe is really good if you use the sim control it the same lvl as the gripen when it comes to turn

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

yeah thats what ive heard, the flight model is really good, but you basically have to use full sim with a Hotas to actually use it.

[@christopherchartier3017]

This thing with AMRAAMS is gonna be dope

[@AverageWTPilot]

Merry Christmas my man!

[@MarkDrisch]

thank you for reiterating that the Su-27 isn't this OP God tier jet that everyone who doesn't own it thinks it is.

[@sangvu6269]

Truth

[@andre232323]

I always wonder if all Defyn's crew for top tier are improved above the limit.

[@DEFYN]

Theyre lvl 75 with expert yes

[@Daniel-kl7sj]

Goodjob Gaijin. Nerf a jet that doesn't need nerfing and ignore the ones that do.

[@christopherchartier3017]

So Defyn likes the F-15 over the Su-27? (Airframe wise, not missiles)

[@pikaachoo3888]

Pretty much. The F-15A feels like a UFO with how absurd the thrust to weight ratio is. You can literally accelerate on a high angle climb with fuel tanks and bombs lmao. The F-15 is a Mustang to the Su-27's A6M Zero. You just abuse your ridiculous energy and thrust advantage and dance around everyone

[@cheekibreeki4638]

What a bananas comparison

[@derkaiser9881]

​@@pikaachoo3888I'd argue the Su-27 ain't even a Zero. It's more like dogfighting in an IL-2. You get 1 decent turn before you fall out of the sky, but in that one turn you have firepower for days. As long as people use their 2 braincells you are dead--otherwise it's back to the hangar for them.

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@pikaachoo3888to be clear, f-15 has 1.5TWR, Su-27 has 1.4TWR and f-15 has only 0.3deg/s advantage over Su in rate fight so idk why snails gave Su 24%((25-19)*100/25 calculated using full circle time at rate speed, that’s in the card) disadvantage instead of 8%(0.3*100/360 calculated using deg/sec characteristics at rate speed, that’s irl) so they gave 3 times more disadvantage than it should be, sum it with how faster this thing drops its speed in a turn and you’ll get what we have, f-15 that slams Su without any chance while both aircraft should be almost the same or at least on par Upd: well ik why, because with r-73s Su would annihilate F-15 If they had pretty much the same turning capabilities

[@pikaachoo3888]

@@СергейНикольский-я2ц We are talking about ingame performance, not real life stats. Thats the point. No need to throw some shade at the F-15 unless you want American mains to chase you down while screaming "RAAAH 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🛢️🛢️"

[@bornonthebattlefront4883]

With the AAM-3’s added I think the Italians should get the Aim 9L/I That’s pretty much the only thing I have to say, top tier sucks, we need decompression, 14.0 would be nice, bla bla bla Nice video Defyn lol

[@Oleg-t5o9q]

what is an Aim 9L/I?

[@theironwolf1871]

​@user-jb8hg5rj8q If I remember it's basically an updated Aim 9L with IRCCM. When America didn't want to sell a nation the AIM9M you got the Aim9Li

[@bornonthebattlefront4883]

@@theironwolf1871 that’s the Aim9L(I-1) The I just had a slight tweak to the tracker, it was an improvement, but not basically an Aim 9M like you said Tho that should be added too, would be good to be put on the Italian F-16 and an F-104S-ASA.M if it were ever added to the game

[@gaboxetix]

Love your channel, I just bought the F15A and now I'm grinding the missiles hahaha your videos definitively helps alot. Any advice on radar usage? I'm not used to an advance radar, I just have usde the one of the F4E that is not that good

[@proximitygaming2888]

merry christmas

[@mr_confuse]

Merry Christmas to you too

[@ArielK-a]

merry Chrysler

[@koka_2000]

Su-27 flight performance is far from the best, sure, but in top tier you don't dogfight that often anyway because of short matches and i think that for now it's the easiest plane to get a lot of kills because of that insane missle set, it just fits the meta perfectly xD

[@brendanharvey3583]

I hate flying it. Yes, its missiles are amazing, but flight performance is horrible. I lose almost every dog fight, especially with f 15 and the m4k.

[@ChutneyGames]

The F15 and F16 are both optimized for high altitude.The F16 could be used in a anti-satellite mission by flying up in an arc as high as possible to launch a special missile. Because of this they are not going to perform at their best at the quick low altitude engagements in Air RB and may seem lacking compared to real life. Navy aircraft are in general optimized for sea level and peform at their best on the deck. Any plane with a low altitude top speed is at a advantage in Warthunder. This will become really obvious once the F-18 is in the game.

[@ferrous3262]

satelites aren't real

[@mmmdawe]

Honey wake up new defyn just dropped

[@bokkun-rlt]

14:32 Bozo in chat was so pissed💀💀💀💀

[@horrorcrankyv2551]

Defyn have you noticed the aim 7ms acting a little wonky? Sometimes when i fire them at altitude, they either fly straight and explode or curve towards the stratosphere, all while maintaining a solid PD HDN lock

[@imlivinginyourceiling]

i'm so pissed that i grinded the whole russian tech tree looking for a dogfighter in the su 27 and just got a missile boat with a boatesque airframe

[@necromire]

i enjoy doing backflips (i can’t do a backflip) god the f15 is such an amazing looking aircraft

[@Its_StOcKZ]

Only Nation I have at top tier atm is Japan, so im trying to enjoy this plane. Prob last new one Ill see until F-35 in 8 years

[@Onreb_]

8:04 bro 😭🙏

[@chrisheijstek9178]

I just got an 8 kill game mainly thanks to your videos 👍

[@Asian_Titan]

Hey DEFYN, your point about the Su27 was very valid as it does have a tendency to be a boat. So in your opinion, does this make the Mig29 more valuable (and therefore a better plane for Air RB)? Love your content

[@cadet3902]

The Su-27 is just a better 29, more missiles and better flight performance. The SMT has a better radar yes but you only get 2 ERs to take advantage of that vs 4. The 27 is just a better 29 no reason to go back.

[@Asian_Titan]

@@cadet3902 Appreciate the info :)

[@dankaloww1067]

The Problem with the Su-27 is that Gaijin made the Automatic Flaps none toggle able meaning every time you turn you lose energy because of a feature you have no control over. On top of that the Su-27 Wing Slats Extends 30 Degrees, which is meant for landing, not turning, overall the Flanker would be performing slightly better then an F-15A, Gaijin just messed up the wing configuration implementation. (There is already a bug report under way for this btw) The Flanker still beats the Mig-29s Either Way.

[@Asian_Titan]

@@dankaloww1067 So you're saying that Gaijin COULD make the Flanker's performance better or on par with the F15's?

[@-..----.--.-...]

​@@Asian_Titan IRL, the flanker doesn't even give the f-15 a chance in dogfight. If you are interested, read about the training battles between the F-15 and the Su-27 in 1992 at Langley Air Force Base

[@gansior4744]

When you actually play a proper BVR, climb and get up to speed, 7M can easily do 50km hits. Is it statistically not as good as a 27ER? Maybe, but in this update, Ive died once to a 27er from a Su-27 at a BVR fight. Something like F-15J, played correctly can absolutely mop the floor with the enemy team. Most people dont have enough skill to give good opinion. They can't distinguish being bad, from a bad jet

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

Are you climbing off the runway for BVR at the beginning of matches instead of deck hugging? I keep getting skill issued when I try climbing at match start

[@commander843]

Sparrows can only get a bar kill if the enemy is absolutely oblivious, because they are SO easy to hitch

[@gansior4744]

@@TruthAndReconciliation yes, I side climb to the side and go at 9/10km alt, pick up the speed to mach 1.2-1.4 and loft sparrows. Works really good. I play ADF and I win fights Against Su-27's and F-15's

[@gansior4744]

@@commander843 yes, if someone is really experienced and know how to defeat a 7M, you wont get a kill above 30km range. I had some crazy kills, when even tho guy went straight to the ground, Missile was so fast it was able to hit him, and it was a over 40km shot

[@jaek__]

​@@gansior4744'is the er better? maybe' no not maybe, it is just better shrimple as really

[@wytstar]

Are you planning on making a top tier guide at any point? In the mean time, do you have any tips on how to get in a good position? I am horrible at the early game, and feel like I always just miss the action or get railed by something with irccm

[@shiprat7370]

Try to put a few teammates between you and the enemy. Usually the majority of players go left after taking off from their airfield. So stay somewhat left or right of the gaggle of teammates and just pick off people who try to fight them.

[@silent_j6198]

When I said the Su-27 FM is mid all I get met with is 'skill issue'. When DEFYN says the FM is bad he praised as a truth harbinger. But seriously though, the Su-27 is only so bad because Gaijin is so stupid they gave it an Oswald coefficient of now 0.47 when IRL it's around ~0.71 meanwhile the F-15 gets enjoy a massive buffed one of 0.66. Oswald coefficient is how much drag it induces, so they gave the Su-27 almost the same unrealistic and bullshittingly low coefficient the SMT has. That is why the FM sucks, Gaijin will implement it according to manual data and then just fuck up it's Oswald coefficient and kill it's performance and then deny any bug reports on this because the value is 'datamined'

[@2337wolf]

About the Su-27, it's crazy to see that it has no maneuverability in WT since its whole motif is super maneuverability

[@some_lucky_boy]

I haven't been able to figure it out so I gotta ask, how do I get the probability of kill indicator over the radar? Is there something special to do or what

[@powerkingez9682]

i agree on the su-27, out of all my top tier jets and i am above average in terms of stats in most my stuff the su 27 is by far the plane i preform the worst in, i litterly play twice as good in the mig 29 smt and f16's

[@superJ1047]

The su-27 being a 1 trick pony is why its so good its a damn good trick that any one can do with zero skill

[@12LoLproductions]

Wish I had one, only have rank 4 unlocked for Germany and Russia

[@LarySeeAircraft]

What had been your favourite aircraft of the patch defyn?

[@richard38618]

Merry christmas daddy defyn

[@nibachoable]

Can you please make a video on your personal controls setup?

[@tamaruz7575]

hey, hi , hello. Merry cristmas back to you.

[@shatteredskull7221]

5:20 noooo dude you're supposed to say the su27 is meta and broken and impossible to kill

[@leroyjenkins0736]

I think the su27 is a pain to use and needs a flightmodel buff for lowspeeds. (500-900 kph) it was known for being a dogfighter while the f15 was know for bvr so why is it switched around?

[@Ajr5691]

Because God forbid Russia get a plane that's as good as a US plane. Reddit would melt down and Gaijin would get review bombed again

[@leroyjenkins0736]

​@@Ajr5691so mig 29 moment again?

[@mmmdawe]

​@@Ajr5691yeah russia should have best sarh missiles, best ir missiles AND the best airframe in the game, then it would be balanced

[@Ajr5691]

@@mmmdawe the gap in the missiles isn't nearly as big as the gap in the flight performance. I would trade *slightly* better missiles for literally twice as good a ight model lmfao

[@Ajr5691]

@@leroyjenkins0736 F16 was just as good if not better once the airframe was fixed, since it always had the way better IR missiles

[@aleksanderf4672]

Tip for fighting against F15, do not go into vertical. Not even Gripen can hang with it in vertical.

[@KolnBruck]

Hi DEFYN, I know you did a CL-13B Mk6 video 4 years ago, but I was wondering if you have any tips for using it? I'm just chronically outclassed in every match. Danke.

[@sideways6087]

did u get a chance to run some games with the baz? how are the israeli teams? bad like the american ones?

[@cherrymaster3719]

Can you make a video on how to countermeasure properly?

[@VexatiouslyTired]

Merry christmas yall

[@MiaReiFilms]

people aren't complaining about the F15s flight performance because of its first turn or ability to take advantage of BFM mistakes, they're complaining because its rate speed is really bad compared to everything else at 12.3, which it shouldn't be. It should be able to rip around a circle at 0.9. It's still a lot better than most people think it is, but that's more down to its much greater ability to maintain standoff than other aircraft than its ability to point its nose for one turn. Also merry christmas defi chan ❤🎄

[@sule.A]

Rates well

[@MiaReiFilms]

@@sule.A not as well as it should, and if anything its instantaneous is probably too good (although they may have changed the flight model since day 1 I'm not sure I haven't played in a while)

[@sule.A]

@@MiaReiFilms what should it rate with ?

[@MiaReiFilms]

@@sule.A it's not a question of *what* it should rate with, that's a very naive way of thinking about aircraft performance. different aircraft rate differently at different airspeeds. An F16 for example is going to rate better than a tomcat if they're both at 450 knots, but worse if they're both at 300 knots. what I'm talking about is it's ability to sustain its speed while performing a consistent sustained turn rate at near mach, which, the last time I flew it, was subject to a lot of high speed compression until it went down to below mach 0.8, by which point it can just dump all of its airspeed for nose authority which it should be able to do to some extent, but the way it's represented in game makes it basically the primary tactic, which eagle drivers in real life usually talked about keeping the jet fast (in guns only situations basically dueling i think u kids call it) It's high thrust to weight should give it far more endurance in sustaining its airspeed than what we see in game

[@DeadBaron]

"chaff is actually effective" lmao, I just rage quit from flying the F-15A because I can't do jack against R-27s or R-73s. Chaff and flares just straight up aren't working. The moment they see me I'm dead, doesn't matter if I'm heads up, flying at a 90 degree angle from them, or heading away, and altitude and maneuvering doesn't work. Meanwhile they sneeze and defeat my Sparrows and 9Ms.

[@myffical.]

Is the f15a worth grinding for as I have got more of the USA tree than the Japanese?

[@RadioStationRail]

Why do I hear Zero playing in the back of my mind?

[@3601christopher]

Does the f15aj have a better radar than the f16c? Whenever I go to use my radar missiles it gives me a narrow view with only a 9km range. I see that in these clips he can lock on from afar and has a wider view with his radar

[@albino4160]

Speed is the key to the F-15s success, it just needs help with bvr, no reason one nation should have a missle kit that goes mach 5.8 to "2nd best aim7" at mach 4.0, its actually feels like a joke for any other nation as of right now, don't get me started with the tanks either lmfao

[@wanoumars]

Meanwhile, France doesn't have an all aspect look down radar on most Mirages, and Magics' fuse won't allow head on :(

[@ayugoslav5554]

F16s don't have all aspect radar either

[@PanzerSteinn]

i went to play P-51H , Bf 109 K-4, F8F.... that BR is balanced and peaceful. No radar, no imbalance. It's sad how Air RB is so bad after 8.3

[@icespikegaming6786]

We need 14.0 now

[@williewilson2250]

​@@icespikegaming6786I will gladly enjoy air having an insanely high br so that the best ground spaa stays at 11.7 and can never see these CAS monsters 🤗

[@PanzerSteinn]

indeed@@icespikegaming6786

[@sparkling925]

that br is fat from balanced, it got better but these 6v6 matches with germany against usa/britain ate my soul when grinding germany

[@PanzerSteinn]

@@sparkling925still better than this chaos

[@Sevoran90120]

I am curious: why would a mig23 be a bigger threat than 2 Su27s?

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

Maybe the F-15 shouldn't be shitting on F-4 and MiG 23s increase the BRs and make it fight what it should face

[@Nordaritan]

Red left wing? Larry ❤

[@Hunting_Party]

Su-27 is the 12.3 equivalent of a yak38

[@icespikegaming6786]

Explain

[@williewilson2250]

​@@icespikegaming6786he can't

[@Hunting_Party]

@@icespikegaming6786 hurrr durrr missiles, but dies whenever the enemy of the same tier can defeat the missile. Stomps downtier puppies.

[@jpteknoman]

its a pity that most teams just die in 10s and you are left 1vs 12 in the F-15