Fallen From Grace - Bf 109G-2

[@Bobspineable]

When the removed historical matchmaking, the meta changed purely because you can face anybody now, this surely was a shock to the Germans when Japanese and Italians were no longer with them.

[@shahramtondkarmobarakie1824]

i see what you did there :)

[@HeyBigChriss]

Which is crazy because when US props (especially 5.7-6.3) are flown right, they absolutely dominate everyone. More specifically planes like the P51H, and F2G. The problem is, people don’t fly them right which is why the matchmaking changed.

[@themuffinman4044]

​@@HeyBigChriss I mean you can say that with any plane really

[@kingcamilo]

​​@@themuffinman4044 yeah but the u.s. and germany are the ones with strictly energy fighters so they suffer more when the whole team uses their plane incorrectly especially vs yaks spits and zeros

[@Bobspineable]

@@kingcamilo the meta is low altitude fighting so really it favors Russians the most. British and Japanese can hold their own due to maneuverability but high altitude fighters are the ones to struggle

[@b.dangerfield6499]

Really appreciate seeing a pro make mistakes… makes me feel not so bad

[@DEFYN]

Thats the secret, everyone is bad

[@irithylloldman6526]

@@DEFYN including the game itself

[@TheBaconical]

Maybe I'm just too good, maybe I die all the time bc I'm ahead of my time

[@roadhigher]

This was the first high end Bf-109 I ever played and boy was it rought at the start going from the G.55 to the BF-109, but over time I gained massive respect for it, shame to see it be on the low end of performence at its BR nowadays.

[@kommandantkillcode]

In my experience, it is still one of the best 4.3s. I always do well with the G-2, so I really don’t know what the problem is. I mainly play USSR, so it probably helps that I both know how to deal with Yaks, and also use the G-2’s strengths to emulate what the high-end Yaks can do.

[@martijn9568]

​@Kommandant Killcode I guess it's heavily dependent on positioning. If you can prevent being below anyone in the G-2, you've probably solved its biggest weakness.

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@martijn9568 Yeah, I’m usually above everyone or maintaining my speed well enough to be able to burst up if I need to dodge or engage something, and then dive out to safety, and depending on what I’m fighting, I’ll take them to about 500kmh to begin a rolling-scissors or vertical corkscrew reversal attempt. There’s only some aircraft that I don’t attempt to reverse or force to bleed energy in that way, and it’s basically just Japanese ones. Against Spitfires that strategy works better than one would think because of the Spitfire’s poor roll rate, and once we’re matching speed, I can use a vertical spiral to gain the advantage. Yaks also struggle against the vertical spiral depending on the altitude, and can be forced into bleeding too much energy off in rolling-scissors. P-47s are very good in rolling-scissors, but can be exploited other ways, and almost all the other American aircraft around 4.3, especially the XP-50, get dogged on in a high-speed rolling scissors.

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@martijn9568 Also, I don’t usually bring the gunpods. I also don’t usually use gunpods on the other 109s. Used to use the F-4s 15mm alot, but I stopped doing that recently.

[@no-legjohnny3691]

Although, I will say that planes like the G.55, Ki-61, and Pyorremyrsky are planes that take the better aspects of the Bf-109 and add onto them, ultimately being better and more flexible fighters overall. They're capable of the boom-n-zoom tactics the 109 excels at, but can perform higher maneuverability tactics if needed. Not to mention each plane has an armament that's either roughly equal to or superior to the 109 without sacrificing performance by having them in gun pods.

[@smigoltime]

its so dumb seeing a P47 that took a solid fire to the engine keep up with a 109 in a dogfight, a literal massive heavy ass cow turning with a light 109...

[@martijn9568]

150 octane makes you not care about gravity😉

[@rainsilent]

A P-47 with a burning wing did keep with a 109 in a turning fight around a slag pile during Operation Boddenplatte. Hits to the engine seems a bit excessive but Gaijin needs to completely redo damage in air anyways.

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@martijn9568 the sea fury does have it and it does care about gravity so much it literally gets outclimbed by tu2s on the deck.

[@conehed1138]

I'm a relatively new player and I thought I was crazy, all the old videos from content creators were talking about how good the G2 is and I was just constantly getting dicked on. G6 is much better imo plus the BR change is negligible. Everything 5.0 and above gets sucked into the ju288 spam at 6.0, so at 4.7 you always get downtiers

[@MirageCalico]

yeah, the G6 has been my favorite bf109 varient for performance, besides the F2. the G6 just feels better in every way than the G2, and honestly every time i get in the G2 i get dicked on. But in the G6 i do relatively well, not to mention the 13mms match the velocity of the 20mms nicely, and the 13mms are way more useful than the 7.92s at that tier anyways. Sadly they did remove the tracer for the IAI belts, which really sucks, and is honestly kinda killing that plane for me now.

[@Swat_Dennis]

I feel the G6 is actually the worst of the 109's I've played... But that's just me...

[@conehed1138]

@@Swat_Dennis did you spade it yet? It's awful stock it needs the engine injection to even be viable

[@Swat_Dennis]

@@conehed1138 Even then, the Spitfires and Americans just destroy you at that BR, Russians outclimb you, just fly rings around ya

[@kkang2828]

What’s the difference between the G-2 and the G-6 besides the guns?

[@zennr_]

As a Finnish person its always really funny hearing all the various ways people go about saying Pyörremyrsky. Here to me it sounded like Pierremörski

[@Phoenix1.s]

i just say pyrowhateverthefuck lol

[@noveled_1]

whats the correct way to say it, I have no clue lmao

[@sigmasmegma8514]

@@noveled_1 pee-or-meer-ski Is my guess 😅

[@WatchMysh]

Yeah pls help us pronounce it :)

[@zennr_]

@@WatchMysh i would however i would have to give an entire lesson on finnish language because the word Pyörremyrsky has so many sounds english doesnt have. Itd be easier to just go to google translate or something and make the TTS pronounce it. Or ask chatgpt

[@BambooPill]

everything aside, the last fight was so cool close low speed fight is kinda rare in props imo

[@BACCHUS777]

The 20MM cannon change really hurt the G2, previously you could rely on just the one cannon and also engage planes from 700m+ with some degree of consistency. That was important when facing faster or more maneuverable planes to force overshoots and have longer firing windows.

[@JPduclerc]

what happened to 20 mils?

[@ArcJupiter]

@@JPduclerc cannons got pretty much universally nerfed across several trees. I used to fold people in half with planes like the 109K4, F4U-4B, and R2Y2. Now I cannot guarantee a kill in a single pass with the same confidence as before because cannon damage basically got put into the dirt. Machine guns are unaffected for the most part. Some cannons you can get to feel okay-ish again by adjusting the belts but I haven't had any games where I felt confident in my damage output since the nerf.

[@kidpagronprimsank05]

​@@JPduclerc they changed to what so called frag type, but 20 mm and on are bugged although some of these are fixed, but it still unreliable

[@xSupra]

@@ArcJupiter MK 108s got clowned on with the velocity change too which was a really shittychange

[@ArcJupiter]

@@xSupra no disrespect here but mk108s have always been very bad in terms of velocity. Never ever enjoyed using them if I knew I couldn't entirely dictate the fight to hand myself a good firing solution on a silver platter. 500m/s out the barrel is just awful.

[@Edgazx]

White 109’s always looks so good

[@alanstewart2073]

i must be the only guy who doesn’t like them

[@xx_lightning_xx5781]

@Alan Stewart yes you're completely right, you're the only one here

[@bread5020]

@@xx_lightning_xx5781 it does look too flashy though

[@Edgazx]

its like a red yak, it just looks clean

[@alanstewart2073]

@@xx_lightning_xx5781 I always preferred the regular german camo ones

[@The_Seeker]

I have extensively tested the G-2 and looked at its flightmodel files, it's the same as the G-2/trop despite the different statcard. It's fucking unbelievable how Gaijin gets away with selling shit like this.

[@martijn9568]

Jup. Even the stated differences (even if not implemented in the flight model) aren't that big either.

[@rainsilent]

Don't bother using the stat cards for aircraft. Top speed is wrong on at least 25% of the planes while turn and climb is wrong on all of them. The G-2 has a very slight climb and turn improvement that is imperceptible without WTRTI and the G-2 has around a 10mph top speed difference. The performance differences are fairly minor. Still the G-2 is better than the G-2 trop.

[@The_Seeker]

@@rainsilent If you go into the files, the only difference between the two planes is the fuselage minimum Cd of 0.0108 instead of 0.0121. It SHOULD also have more engine power - like the F-4 has over the F-4/trop, and that's what the stat card would lead you to believe, but it doesn't. If the fuselage minimum Cd makes a difference, it's utterly imperceptible, in my test both planes reached a straight line speed of 586km/h at 6km altitude with radiators open.

[@rainsilent]

@@The_Seeker The stat card? Why are you talking about the stat card? Don't bother looking at it. It is absolutely wrong on 2 of 3 metrics it highlights on every aircraft. The 3rd is wrong on at least 25% of them too. The F-4 and F-4 trop should have the same engine. The G-2 and G-2 trop should also have the same engine. The only reason for a power difference is because the air filter takes away some performance from the engine as it restricts airflow to the engine. Also the only aero difference should be the Cd of the fuselage because it is the exact same plane sans the air filter. This means that the only noticeable performance difference should be a top speed difference if you are aware of or educated in how aircraft work. Sure, the G-2 trop has more power than it technically should but it is still slower than the G-2 like it should be. The fact that the G-2 trop has the same power is largely inconsequential given that its performance relative to the G-2 is worse like it should be.

[@martijn9568]

​@The Seeker You shouldn't be running BF-109s on open radiators as it causes insane amounts of drag. It is able to fly much faster, but only if you close the radiator. Gaijoob messed up 3D modeling the later BF-109s radiator cowlings. The rear cowlings should also open up (both the upper and the lower).

[@rednuclearmc3856]

One of the reasons i switched to sim was because i could have historical matchmaking without the insane usa+japan combo rendering most all rounder/energy fighter planes mid

[@liams8454]

I will never understand why Gaijoob gave geany the G-2 Trop in the German TT instead of the standard G-2

[@brianlangieri6723]

It doesn’t make any sense but the Premium G2 is a solid plane and with custom skins you can make it “German”

[@kingghidorah8106]

​@@brianlangieri6723 the point is that the better variant is premium

[@aurelliadarkwater1136]

@@kingghidorah8106 a premium germany cant even get

[@kingcamilo]

The thing is that they realized they could make money off of it so tech tree plane is weaker and premium plane is stronger like it should be cause even the f4 is better than the g2 trop

[@HochgeborenKlown]

When I started 9+ years ago the G-2 was available in the tech tree, gougin removed it about a year later...

[@DaisiesTC]

Man I really miss old AF AAA where it was still risky to approach it, but you weren't literally guaranteed to die if you got within 5km and could get away with a quick strafe if someone was camping the AF lmao. IIRC at first they just gigabuffed the main airfield AAA and you could still approach the forward airfield, but after coming back to the game after taking a break for a few years it looks like you can't even approach that, which cuts off a pretty significant portion of the map for maps with 2 airfields.

[@tezbertzero1915]

Even bases AA's got buffed as f*ck

[@DaisiesTC]

@@tezbertzero1915 They have thankfully removed forward AF AAA since I posted this. But yeah, if you carry any rockets or bombs at all base AAA will shred you. Which really sucks in something like the T-2 which needs to take rockets to act as flares.

[@H3nry2077]

Also just realized Napalmratte made his video on the G2 private XD

[@martijn9568]

lmao, that's sad xD

[@voynich7825]

Glad to see you back, hope you got through your exams and papers well. Always appreciate your content and uploads, you're my favourite war thunder content creator on youtube

[@toastymc182]

I remember using this thing, was fun but it was a long time ago and I was a pleb, now I'm more comfortable with F-4 than G series for my 109's

[@madam94]

The chat at 6:13 haha. Turns out it was actually you!

[@jerryfromthepub5125]

Mistake in description? 7.92MM MGs or 13.2MM MGs?

[@DEFYN]

Copied the wrong description Fixed it

[@frysebox1]

@@DEFYN git gud

[@xBuzza333x]

Really cool and interesting to see your mistakes ! Thanks for sharing and explaining.

[@bojanivanisevic1072]

Flying out the Bf-109s with the gondolas was often considered a noob move in the past. Sorry, but even before the 20mm got turned into a cotton ball launcher, I couldn't make it work well, 1 20mm simply doesn't have enough damage output. I get significantly better results with gondolas. I see that even the pros agree.

[@GK_Squid]

That was one hell of a battle at the end

[@H3nry2077]

miss the good old BF109 days :( Now Im just stuck grinding top tier

[@vanos3378]

You can always go back. If you enjoy the 109's more then fly them. I think too many people are stuck in the mentality that you have to grind for higher ranking planes to play the game 'right'. Just play to have fun not to unlock some plane the fastest way possible!

[@H3nry2077]

@@vanos3378 yeah but I also love the Mig29 and really wanna get it in WT as ive flown it too much in DCS already.

[@QeteshThePony]

The beast the I-225 has gotten lowered to 5.0 and it’s better then ever! Can you review it?

[@carlosadonayguardadogaleas6150]

That plane accelaration is so good ❤

[@kingghidorah8106]

i225 is amazing but it's got like 5 minutes of engine life and without wep it's nothing.

[@VidraSpy]

Hungarians losing thier mind when DEFYN calls a hungarian plane italian

[@kingghidorah8106]

this is the G2 on the Italian tech tree, it's not the Hungarian BF109 F-4

[@fate3071]

​@King Ghidorah it's the premium G-2 in the Italian tech tree, with Hungarian markings and camoflage

[@ProudSonOfJager]

As a Hungarian: This is a german plane that Hungary used, and now U can find it in the Italian tech tree. (Europe things ❤)

[@Player-st4hn]

@@ProudSonOfJager Hungarians made these actually, so you can call it a Hungarian plane

[@Player-st4hn]

@@kingghidorah8106 This is the Hungarian Bf 109 G-2, the Italians only have a Bf 109 G-14 AS

[@jacobdonnely2608]

Nice prop video, I find a lot of mistakes I make are not realizing a certain plane compresses hard above xspeed or just doing a slightly wrong maneuver. About how many hours in warthunder have you got?

[@martijn9568]

I suppose it doesn't hurt to test fly an airplane if you're unfamiliar with it. That way you can figure out things like compressions and max speeds before diving into the hangar during a match.

[@kingcamilo]

The b109 g2 is in my top 3 planes of all time, really appreciate the upload. I think the finnish g2 might be slower than the premiums, the stat card shows 14kmh less faster than the premius but it climbs great.

[@TheFirstOfMany219]

Just gaijin messing up the stat cards never trust them

[@rainsilent]

To expand on above the stat cards for aircraft are as useless as something could possibly get. Top speed is wrong on around 25% of the aircraft while turn and climb are wrong on 100% of them.

[@kingcamilo]

@@rainsilent so the finnish g2 is the exaaact same as the premiums?

[@rainsilent]

@@kingcamilo It was a direct copy paste when it went live. I'm not aware of any changes to it since.

[@martijn9568]

​@@rainsilent To be fair to Gaijin. The climb rates aren't always wrong, but they do require very specific conditions to replicate. The top speed is usually correct, but on some statcards it is indeed very wrong.

[@trevorclark7985]

mannn that maneuver kill was dirty

[@steffgras5606]

Yeaaah Defyn - this video format with a very interesting fail at the end is brilliant - this brings your episodse in a further worthy step - keep this

[@JackKrauser28]

I have been noticing that a lot of people have been putting fires so easily

[@brunocoleff2981]

you can use mec, leave the prop pitch and mixture on auto (cos the 109's have it) and just set the radiator to 30%, that allows me to basically have unlimited wep.

[@maximilianmustermann1278]

Not on the g2. It will still cook perfectly fine.

[@Agnahybrid]

I find that with MEC, the overheating problems go away super easily, it's a must on the 109s

[@lukeskylicker]

I'll admit I'm not familiar with the G-2 specifically but, while MEC isn't some silver bullet that'll magically solve all your performance issues, if it can make a Spitfire Mk I/II run cold with minimum performance loss it's absolutely something worth taking the time to learn, even if it's only for climbing purposes.

[@antonmancia2096]

@@lukeskylicker How in hell do you do that ? Full Rads and even reduced Prop Pitch to 90% still make them effective Tea Brewers. MEC is really effective in the P47s making them able to perma WEP but ive never been able to have some semblence of cool temps in early Spits.

[@martijn9568]

​@Anton Mancia Lower prop pitch to 75% should fix the cooling issue. Yes, climb rate does slightly suffer, but it still climbs very well for its Br.

[@lukeskylicker]

​@@antonmancia2096 For some reason my previous comment got yeeted to the shadow realm. Martijin is right you gotta lower your prop speed more and, another thing, you have to set your radiator to 0. Unless you're leaking or being very aggressive with your WEP (basically any moment you're not running hot you have it turned on) 9 out of 10 times you water will not be the issue but your oil which is only affected by throttle/prop pitch on the I and II, not radiator. Which means you can confidently set the radiator to 0 because the cooling on it is just that potent when combined with the lowered prop pitch. 75 is not the number though, you want a 69 pitch (nice and no I'm not making that up 70 runs hot) on moderate temperature and cold maps, adjusting it upwards as your altitude increases like a pseudo supercharger starting at 5000m. I recommend "Air RB - Performance Guide - Master Thread” by MOBB on the forums which is basically a climbing cheat sheet of which some will carry over to dogfight MEC.

[@reinbeers5322]

I could feel the pain at the end there lol, you definitely made some moves I wouldn't have.

[@ElwoodPDowd-nz2si]

This is a great looking plane.

[@Koji44-]

THE OG g2 trop was how i got my first jet grinded norway without prem so many after school days sad to see the guns not working as well

[@Napalmratte]

Roast me daddy... )))) Well, I knew it when I saw the thumbnail ^^

[@cola-warthunder]

Never saw the glory days of this plane, ever since I was a total noob up to this day I'd prefer the F4 or the G6

[@fate3071]

Same. The G-2 just feels like it doesn't pack enough punch for how heavy it it

[@adoplwt]

The last fight of vid... It was unlucky, he should burned down but uh gajin said differently... Anyway as always GGs :^)

[@wruenvadam]

That P-47 at the end really lived up to those durability claims. But really it's that overheating that makes me not want to fly the 109s for the most part anymore. It just becomes unmanageable after a certain point unless you land. Sure later ones get better with that but there are so many less stressful aircraft to fly than the 109s, like the Yaks for instance.

[@kingghidorah8106]

p47 durability doesn't necessarily mean it also has to keep it's performance. Gaijin interprets p47 as an empty body, when in real life it's body was the whole turbo. Being hit in the body reduced your horsepower drastically.

[@wruenvadam]

@@kingghidorah8106 You would be surprised to know that the power loss at low altitude is negligible. That turbo is only efficient at high altitude, or at very least more than 7000 feet. Below that you really can't run it to it's max rating as the denser air would create higher manifold pressures and you would blow the engine. Yes it should be modelled, but in this fight it wouldn't have been a difference. Fun fact, the P-47 still had an integrated single speed supercharger. The turbo was there for high alt work. This means that any damage to the turbo system at low altitude would just mean you can't go up high anymore but you would practically be just as fast as you were without the damage at low altitude.

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@wruenvadam that's right Still, Gaijin interprets the P47 as an empty body (and most US aircraft as well even mustangs)

[@wruenvadam]

@@kingghidorah8106 Id say they do a decent job considering the sheer number of vehicles they put into the game. Sure they arent 100% accurate but most I'd say are around 90%, and that is really good enough to have decent gameplay damage wise. If you want greater realism, you go to things like IL-2 or DCS where they model things to a much higher level of detail and accuracy, as well as function. Oh and absolutely no cockpit placeholders. XD

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@wruenvadam no not really. P47s and P51s have never been so bullshit as they are now.

[@Zelectrocutica]

Fact is early 109 are prone to roast itself in WEP even full open radiator. New airframe like G6 and beyond don't suffer this issue.

[@notsoracistraspberry4168]

You didn't show us your mess up Defyn you showed us why sometimes it isn't the pilot but the plane simply will let you down in ways

[@cheekibreeki4638]

It would be so cash money if the 109s could get the belly mounted single 20mm pod.

[@No1harris_98]

Defyn, are you able to play the Mirage-2000D-R1 with the added gun pods and magics? Considering it’s now the the only Mirage-2000 at 11.3.

[@DEFYN]

I played it without the gun for a vid already doing it with the gun doesnt really add anything different other than making it easier

[@No1harris_98]

@@DEFYN yeah understand that, and have watched all the vids that’s Mirage related already, but I thought it would be a nice idea seeing a good player play one of my favourite aircraft and also see how it plays anyways.

[@DEFYN]

I will redo the 11.7 mirage soon because a lot has changed The DR1 idk yet

[@oluwatosinopawoye5695]

Definitely not the next Battlepass reward for planes, right.

[@SharkGoesRawr]

No the next will be a Swedish sherman

[@gansior4744]

I wanted it for my 4.0 tank line-up, and today I got it. Enough for me

[@INSANESUICIDE]

The battlepass F-4 with the 15mm gunpods are a money printer, I have that and the Zrinyi I, 4.7 italy is my moneyprinter 40-80k a match

[@Player-st4hn]

This is the Hungarian Bf 109 G-2, a 4.3 plane, I think you're talking about the Hungarian Bf 109 F-4 in the battle pass which is 4.0

[@Player-st4hn]

@@INSANESUICIDE 4.7? Both the Zrínyi I and Bf 109 F-4 (Hungary) are 4.0 vehicles.

[@INSANESUICIDE]

@@Player-st4hn You are correct, those are the only non 4.7 in my 4.7 lineup, Italy 4.7 is really good, and if you have the Zrinyi and F-4 in addition it is nearly impossible to lose money

[@YouGotTheMelvin]

I thought the G2 was more manouverable than the F4. I only played a couple of dozen games in the G2 so it may be just luck or skill difference vs newer players, but the agility seemed noticeably better vs the F4

[@mateuszpanasiuk9301]

No... G2 is heavier. But have a better engine. Can keep WEP longer than F4.

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@mateuszpanasiuk9301 I thought the G-2 has a better rate ability even without wep, but it does seem like the verticals are similar if wep is varied.

[@mateuszpanasiuk9301]

@@kommandantkillcode If we take into account WT not real life. In WT G2 turns a little bit worse in both rate and radius. Im belive you can outrate F4 in RB because guys WEP all the time and your G2 have still relative cooled engine vs their overheated. And if they not use manual engine probably have full open radiators when you have closed = better acceleration = better turn performance.

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@mateuszpanasiuk9301 I actually don’t WEP all the time because it destroys the BF-109’s engines and heavily limits their power output even if I make sure to throttle down after the engine temps go to orange or red. I’ve learned that mechanic exists after flying the Yaks which overheat and noticed that the longer the match went, even at 98% throttle, the worse and worse the planes would get despite the lower fuel levels. Then I tried similar things in other planes, and watched other people fly them, and am confident that the majority of piston aircraft in the game all have that issue, to varying degrees. The Bearcats are some of the worst in that regard, and the I-185s and Las seem to be some of the best.

[@martijn9568]

​@@kommandantkillcode Yeah, Gaijin has modeled timers for each power setting. Flying at max continuous power setting should help you regain those timers, but that's often a power setting below 100%. As for the Bearcat I don't know if Gaijin has actually specified those timers, but if you look at an F8F's performance manual you will see that it is rather limited in continuous power output.

[@금눈쇠올빼미]

germans 20mm has disadvantage in their gunpowder it has only 1.2x of tnt

[@ericmenk5391]

chugged fireball just to see a new vid from defyn. Rare alcoholic W

[@Viazoz]

@defyn you told us that every 20mm are shitty right now but this is all 20mm in the game ? And what belt do you suggest to counter it?

[@oluwatosinopawoye5695]

He damage is bugged.

[@GamingCheeto]

He shells just explode most the time on the plane doing 0 damage, armoured belts I have found to be the most reliable Just look at the belts and see whatever has the least HE in the full belt changes by plane but almost any round is better than explosive shells at the momemt

[@Music-L-Coli]

@DEFYN do you think using joystick instead of mouse aim in 109 will get better result in your last dogfight clip?

[@daemonfifield1242]

the g2 is the reason i learned mec lmao

[@vencaS81]

Hello Defyn. How did you get wheel covers on that premium plane? Mine is without them. :-)

[@techienate]

This used to be my favorite plane in the game. Still has some of the most beautiful skins though, lol

[@Player-st4hn]

Yeah the Hungarian camouflages are really nice

[@StefanPavic]

Hate to disappoint you, but that are Hungarian, not Italian markings on that plane.

[@Player-st4hn]

Exactly, there aren't even Italian 109 G-2s... the only Italian 109 is the G-14 AS with... massive Italian flags on them. This is obviously a Hungarian 109.

[@theforzagamer3880]

Could you do a review on the F86-A5 a Sabre at 8.3, been struggling with it especially in uptiers

[@Deuce_and_a_half]

Defyn wher OS2U Kingfisher review?

[@ununpentium2255]

Hello Defyn pls do a video on the Kikka ty

[@Dynasty0612]

That last P-47 was good

[@martijn9568]

Because the P-47 D-28 is an absolute monster.

[@Player-st4hn]

Not really, he had the advantage initially and flew into DEFYN's guns getting set on fire. Luck is what saved him.

[@j.k6943]

Btw if you have or can get access to the J6K some time, it has been triple buffed and is now back to the acceleration / climbrate it had on introduction while keeping the insane agility. Absolute beast since the prop efficiency was finally fixed 3 weeks ago.

[@kkang2828]

@DEFYN Do I need to use discord to send you clips for the 'reviewing your content' videos?

[@DEFYN]

Yea, otherwise just email me a link

[@kkang2828]

@@DEFYN o7

[@kingghidorah8106]

idk why I had a glimpse that the next plane you were gonna review was another 109... Anyway looking forward your exam results, surely you smashed the rest of the students. BTW I purchased your decal with the discount

[@littlecalf9138]

Any tips for using gun ports on BF109?Which should use which should not?

[@jonathancurry5392]

Could you do a video on the A2D skyshark there is nothing recent on it and i dont trust anyone but you to give opinions on planes i might buy

[@TheFIFABoys]

Can you make a video on the la-200 please?

[@jayhowkofficialinc295]

Yeiiy its the Hungarian one❤

[@stringzzzzz]

Dont forget to mention that the j2m outright cancels this thing

[@hubril7921]

well considering J2M2s can cancel out XP-50s at altitude if flown right, I think they just don't belong in this BR bracket. having a climbrate that rivals the K-4 at 4.3 while being 3 times more nimble is just bullshit

[@sherlocksinha2435]

The only trick in the book against a J2M is going fast since they compress hard . Usually I've had better experience with the A5/U2 before the elevator got turned into a steaming pile of garbage in the recent patch . In the 109 or a 190 the fight against a J2M requires massive brain play

[@stringzzzzz]

@@hubril7921 yea but gaijin forgot it even exists. Its been this strong for ages now.

[@stringzzzzz]

@@sherlocksinha2435 the thing is for that to work you need to rely on the incompetence of the person in the j2m. Luckily most people flying it haven't got a clue what they're doing.

[@marcoklingenfuss3112]

nice viedeo as always

[@dotEXCEI_]

realshatter did german guns especially dirty

[@deluxomastaa2841]

Spitfire mk 24?

[@MrWhy6]

109s xp-50s exist. I dont have problems with j2's

[@rainsilent]

Well flown XP-50s are easier to deal with than well flown J2M2s. XP-50s are only a pain in the ass because they have an air spawn. Remove the air spawn and they are above average performers for the BR. The J2M2 is at least a 5.0 plane.

[@martijn9568]

​@@rainsilent Well, guess where the other J2Ms are😉

[@MrWhy6]

@@rainsilent I rarely see j2's when I do it usually just 1. I see 3 or 4 xp50s sometimes. I just don't have the patience to fight them with a 109.

[@lato5750]

When will I have my F-100D video, I want it now

[@maxwellmaragia2272]

Honestly I haven't noticed any issue at all with the g2. Still a fantastic plane for me. Am only scared of yak3 at low alts

[@libra9381]

The J2M2 outclimbs everything in its B.R but not faster than the germans (at 4k+ alt.) and US (all alt.), u can always force the brits or italians to turnfight u bcs u have the same speed and if not slightly faster than them. As for the G2s now, I do think the F4s does anything better than G2s at all alt. except the cooling system 😂.

[@jakeakins384]

the first death is always the hardest...

[@tavolo2969]

Can you fly the G2 more armed brother, the G6?

[@bonelessvegetal818]

how can you force a j2m to dogfight?

[@dorbomer8835]

Would be awesome if you could make a video about the Ki-43 III otsu. Used to be one of my favourite japanese planes but they nerfed it so hard it´s a contender for biggest nerf in WT aviation.

[@bt3779]

I dunno, this was my 2nd favorite after the F4. I mostly play RB though.

[@kingcamilo]

8:53 "fuck" lol

[@MrTzs1]

Italian? No. Hungarian BF 109! :)

[@MUNDo-Sci-Fi]

Can I still have this plane?

[@ezragipp7855]

So do you have to buy a pack to get the decal?

[@FiestaKing36]

no, just buy anything using his code

[@matteogentile6351]

Hey man, I know you don't like bombers, but if you want some change of pace in gameplay you could take the bv 138. It has 2 mg151's at 1.7 it's kinda nuts you can hunt everything with its airspawn

[@_GODSFIGHTER]

This plane used to be an absolute legend. Now it's as defyn said, mid. The overheating is atrocious. And you'll most likely need gun pods to kill quicker. Still a plane forever remembered Btw can you fly the fw190a5?

[@jojothewisewolf3516]

RealShatter ruined Air RB for me. It's so frustrating getting up to 10 sparks regularly with cannons.

[@superfly29rr16]

Is there a growing trend of people crashing when they lose position? I feel it's a tactic to rob you of the kill? It can happen accidentally, we've all been there but I feel that it's getting worse.

[@BeaufighterGaming]

Beaufighter video when

[@Sevastous]

Big problem I think is just the He nerfs affecting single cannon bf-109 balance very very badly.Sure yaks too had terrible gun performance but that was a plane was able to keep up a sustained dogfight. But 109's are a bit of a pickle in 2-3 turns without energy. And their only getting a shot off opportunity was the Mine shell single 20-30mm to do some damage. Now with that nerfed all you have now is a worse hispano+2 7.92 mg's. Against P-51's,Yaks P-47's or even bombers that is Tier-1 Level of firepower. Compared to He-112's, Buffalos and Laggs :D. Or better F-4 ,Or even better Emiil Series 109's with 2 20mm MG/FF's. They can still climb as a gunpod g2, Have high alt boost. And they are much more nimble with much lower BR. So why bother with G-2 or even G-6?

[@K_Kara]

Funny how Bf 109 G-2 and G-4 absolutely clap Yak's and La's in IL-2:GB, but in War Thunder its the opposite.

[@AFakeName]

109 will clap Yak and La if you fly sim, the instructor limits 109 performance in the turn in rb.

[@K_Kara]

@@AFakeName How popular is sim nowadays? Might give it a go.

[@rainsilent]

@@K_Kara In IL-2 the Yaks in question are all 3.0 or lower performance equivalent Yaks in WT and the Las are La-5s. None of those are really competitive enough to take on a 109G on equal footing even in WT. In WT the Yaks you are going up against flying the G-2 are largely superior in performance than the ones that you see in IL-2. IL-2 is time based competition (in that what is available in game is representative of what both sides had available mid to late 43ish) whereas WT is more performance based and thus technically should be more fair. That doesn't mean that WT is more fair, just that it technically should be if done right. Also all Yaks can out turn every 109G. The strengths of the 109Gs against Yaks in IL-2 are speed and climb. The Yaks will still win in a turn with equal pilots. In WT 109Gs largely lose the speed advantage sub 4km to similar BR Yaks that they enjoyed in IL-2 because the Yaks they are usually facing in WT have more engine power. Depending on specific comparisons they either keep the speed advantage with it being smaller or it goes away altogether. Ignoring the Yak-3VK and Yak-3U the 109s still retain the climb rate advantage for the most part. Edit: Historically the P-39 was the best fighter the Soviets had until late 44 when the Soviets finally put the La-7 and Yak-3 into service. This combined with the fact that the Soviet ran a more tactical air force (meaning the lack of 2nd supercharger gear on the P-39 wasn't an issue) is why the Soviets loved the P-39 so much.

[@K_Kara]

@@rainsilent Not sure why the Yak-1B is 1.3 BR lower than the G-2 in WT. In Il-2 I can reliably handle Yak-1Bs and even La-5FNs with a G-2, looks a lot more difficult in WT. Fair points otherwise. Although I'd argue all 109s should be fairly decent dogfighters anyhow. In Il-2 I can keep up with a Mk IXe Spit in a late G-6 for a while, not something you can even hope to do in WT. In a low speed scissor fight any 109 should be incredibly dangerous, perhaps only bested by late war clipped wing Spits. Those leading edge slats and combat flaps make them a formidable fighter in any situation. In comparison it feels like 109 flight model is perhaps bit too sluggish in WT, but I don't have as much experience as I do with Il-2.

[@rainsilent]

@@K_Kara It is fairly hard dealing with the 109F-4 flown by a good player in early Yaks and early Yaks can see the F-4. This is coming from someone that prefers Yaks over 109s in every game I have flown thus far. That said the F-4 is better than the G-2 in WT. Would the G-2 be easier? Technically perhaps but given the proper technique is the same I would say not practically. Either way the 109 is faster in level flight and has a large climb rate advantage to boot. The only hope for the Yak is to drag the 109 in a turn fight and if the 109 has the altitude or energy advantage good luck to the Yak in trying to achieve that unless the 109 pilot messes up. In both games the G-2 is clearly vastly superior. In WT that is reflected with such a big BR differential. It just goes to show how behind the curve Soviet fighters were. The issue was that the Soviet engines were about a year behind developmentally. It isn't that 109s are bad dogfighters. They are very good dogfighters. They just aren't as good horizontally as Yaks. This was as true historically as it is in both games. As for how the aircraft handle? IL-2 is way more accurate. This really frustrates me as well but WT is the only place I can fly a lot of aircraft that you just don't see elsewhere. This is also why I spend about 3 times as much time in custom flights or test flights than I do in actual pvp battles. The aircraft FMs are so far off in a lot of cases that real life tactics that worked against opposing aircraft don't actually work in WT. Edit: Another thing I would like to point out is that in more realistic games like IL-2 pulling 7+Gs is not easy. In WT it is fairly easy. In WT we have superhuman elevator pull on most fighters. This really became obvious to everyone with the release of the F-16A. The F-16A should be out rating everything at pretty much every speed but that isn't happening because virtually nothing has historically accurate elevator compression. People are blaming Gaijin's flight limitation settings of the F-16 as the culprit but truth be told that isn't where the real issue lies. End edit. Case in point the MO on how to deal with a Zero on your 6 in real life was to dive to 400mph roll to the right and then pull out of the dive. The A6M was so completely locked up at 400 that it couldn't match the roll or turn and follow the American fighter's maneuver in the dive. In WT you try that you are absolutely dead. Part of the design goals for the A7M were to improve the compression issues that the A6M had (it was compressing badly according to all test pilot reports by 300mph). In real life the A7M achieved this goal but fly the A6M and A7M back to back in WT and you would think the A7M failed in this regard. For the record the A6Ms locked up early deliberately to prevent pilots from causing structural failures by pulling maneuvers that the airframe couldn't handle. Something the Ki-43 designers didn't do causing a number of accidents of Ki-43 pilots ripping their planes apart trying to do maneuvers at high speeds. Ki-43s eventually got structural strengthening to reduce this problem.

[@YJLennon707]

I’m still waiting to see myself get clapped by DEFYN in one of his videos 😂

[@THE_IS300_KID]

bro i laugh so hard when he pancaked

[@darthbader6506]

GG

[@bezimienny_andzej6425]

I absolutely loved how 3-cannon clobbering failed to do the deed and main fuel tank fire hust happily ended because reasons. IMO you should have just tried to force a ratefight and do circles at 100% throttle. At that point that P-47 was damaged enough he wasn't going to win it anywyay. The problem is - that's hindsight. But I'm the kind of guy who almost never gets red engine temps, so lets say I have way less liberal approach to the topic :P

[@ironperegrine144]

lmfao you would've never even reached that point in the game, hindsight is irrelevant

[@bezimienny_andzej6425]

@@ironperegrine144 Your gibberish is irrelevant. DEFYN did this to himself by not managing temperatures correctly, can't blame him, cause he seems to intentionally avoid using MEC. I have NOWHERE near DEFYN's dogfighting ability or aim. What I have is good planning (and it grants me top 6-top 60 kills per battle in Air RB depending on the plane I'm busy learning to fly - I'm kinda bad at dogfighting and my aim is only semi-decent, so I have to compensate with learning how to avoid bad situations in the first place). So yeah, I would've never reached that point because I would have played it differently. But the thing is, this time the scenario was fairly EASY to predict. DEFYN went all in, because he assumed he'll get guns on target once and it'll be over (and he's usually right). I never assume my aim won't fail me. Etc. etc. In other words - that made sense from DEFYN's standpoint because he has a ton of self-confidence, but this time it backfired in a manner that wasn't really surprising. And you should just shut your piehole, pathetic scrub, I'm pretty sure you're one of those skill-less id**ts who think they are good because you've barely broken 50% WR. Bye.

[@yesyes-om1po]

do u ever feel pressured to carry when people realize ur defyn, ur status to wt players is godhood

[@Smithgirll]

Spitfire griffon when?

[@zillahero]

Finns will love it if you pronounce pyörremyrsky poo-o-rey-murs-ku cuz that's as close as you'll get to saying it some what right

[@sule.A]

The stat card says this thing goes 720kph 😂😂

[@butcherstonne2923]

13mm:IAI ?

[@Dan.strades]

please fly the F2-Sabre!

[@Player-st4hn]

Please it's not an Italian Bf 109 G-2! The Italians don't even have a G-2, they only have a G-14 AS. This one is clearly a Hungarian one, they even changed the roundel in front of its name to make it obvious but for some reason people still can't tell. This is almost as ridiculous as calling the Pyorremyrsky a Swedish plane, or saying the Finnish T-34 is Swedish!

[@jessemolteno141]

Hi DEFYN. I was wondering is you could play the bf109F2