BVR IS EASY, When You Have An F-15C MSIP II (short FOX-3 How To)

[@TheJudge2017]

That menu feature is room temp IQ. Thanks Gaijin

[@cisowiankaperlage2137]

All this update is room temp IQ

[@わるわる-r9r]

the kelvin K?

[@kingghidorah8106]

left shift is the key I have to switch to sim controls, so pressing shift for me ain't that bad but kinda bad too

[@buttcracker]

@@kingghidorah8106what do you use for throttle then?

[@evananthony1395]

left shift for me is pitch up, when the update drops my mother fucking controls locked up when im trying to dodge a head on for fucks sake and died

[@britishbeef4890]

I can't wait for the defyn Cranking, notching, Jelqing & Jorking guide.

[@IND7-7-7]

Fr 💀

[@shannon1267]

Lmao

[@shawn7889]

Loving everything this update broke. Squadron activity, binds, loadouts. I really love the stretch jpeg fuel tanks for new f15

[@StiveGuy]

What did they do? MIg21SMT, SU17's, and both soviet tech tree MIg 23's just don't have flares/chaff, the game just will not let you take them.

[@interpl6089]

Typical Gaijin...this update is the worst i've seen in my 8 years....Fox 3s aren't the saving grace.

[@FishFlys]

@@interpl6089how after 8 years were you not expecting them to reintroduce every bug ever on update day

[@ayamkd-zx10]

wait waht happen to squadron activity?

[@princeachim6365]

goes to show, they don't test their own game

[@theincrediblefox]

I am quite frankly shocked, that your first video won't be on the brilliant and absolutely fantastic F-4F KWS! /s

[@EricThyKaiser]

F-4F-ICE* and that thing is trash as you probably know by the sarcasm of the comment

[@theincrediblefox]

@@EricThyKaiser KWS is the correct designation for this variant actually. ICE simply stands for the english translation of "Kampfwertsteigerung". And yes, it was sarcasm, that is literally what "/s" means.

[@horiane1872]

why would he kill himself for a video?

[@DEFYN]

Friday 😂😭

[@fate3071]

Even germans refer to it as the ICE though​@@theincrediblefox

[@roomcayz]

shooting the missiles from way up too high reminds me of a peak gameplay we already achieved when F14 was introduced

[@BlueNexa]

The altitudes they're fighting at are pretty realistic. High and fast is how modern air combat works, altitudes of 20-30,000ft are pretty normal

[@HaloFan577]

Yeah pretty realistic for fights to start that high and end up on the deck as you get closer in dcs

[@theperson5185]

@@BlueNexapeople don’t understand that being low is where these planes perform the worst. You need to climb to the moon to get the best performance

[@xRazProductions]

Got slammed earlier because of the Shift keybinds. Thank you Gaijin, very cool.

[@russell33313]

yup same

[@K03dUr1p0dplz]

Same lmfao I slammed right into the ground cus shift is my throttle up and idk how it happened but I got locked controls cus of that shit

[@casematecardinal]

Ctrl binds for the win!

[@cookiecracker2]

rebind it? it's pretty easy

[@uorothewizard3576]

@@cookiecracker2 the problem is Gaijin set it as default for some fucking reason and fucked over most people's first matches

[@kiki7170]

Interesting fact: because back in the dev when they test Fox-3 they use AIM-120B on the F-16. So even right now all US 13.0 get AIM-120A and there are actually a AIM-120B on the Tornado, these AIM-120A on US planes still have a "AIM-120B" marking on its model

[@paperthik9262]

on the dev there was no difference between the 120A and 120B they just renamed it, kinda like the JAS-39A and JAS-39C, same plane different name

[@buttcracker]

Conjugate is for nerd

[@collander7766]

@@paperthik9262 *39

[@molstad182]

@@paperthik9262 theres no gameplay difference between the 2 anyways, the irl differences are minimal and dont apply to warthunder

[@kiki7170]

@@paperthik9262 Yes, so I said it as interesting fact

[@TungstenOnNoobDifficulty]

This update isn’t AS chaotic as I previously anticipated

[@DEFYN]

Its not as bad as i thought But only because i anticipated armagedon

[@Averagewarthunderplayer__]

@@DEFYNI haven’t played yet can’t grind out the new su-27 til Friday night😭

[@TungstenOnNoobDifficulty]

@@DEFYN Agreed!

[@Yeet42069]

@@DEFYN Eh, it is pretty bad. You're cherry picking the good matches where it somewhat actually works. Go stock and tell me you have a fun time hugging 3's defensive flying all match while up in the sky the missile ejaculator gets to play the game because he is graced with good missiles. Meanwhile just like you showed bvr requires fuck all skill wise. You shoot you dodge, you get rng'd, you rng, this shit will get stale real fast. The fact people called f14 missile ejaculation good gameplay over dogfighting is a fucking comedy in and off itself. They complain all year long about br compression then want the singular thing that gave lower matched planes a fighting chance due to the always inevitable furball that ensued, gone 🤦‍♀. Sometimes this community deserves Gajob.

[@Juho-uf8si]

Having Gripen A makes very little sense to me at the moment, depending on the map i can get reasonable results but if there is no terrain cover im just defending all the time unless i get a sneaky flank going on. still 700k rp for aim-120's so fun. really tempted to just GE the C model lol

[@Kilimanjarooo]

If I was Gaijin I would 100% introduce a new feature with a wacky default key bind just to fxck with players

[@oliverpasztor788]

The smaller lobbies feature is also broken, I only got into one match that wasn't 16v16 and it was 12v12. Thanks Gaijin very cool. I think I'm going to leave top tier air RB for the time being.

[@pieisawesome2204]

How is it broken? The feature is implemented nearly the same as night battles, where you opt into the queue, but that only means there’s a chance of 12v12, you won’t be placed in an exclusively 12v12 matchmaker.

[@oliverpasztor788]

@@pieisawesome2204 I meant it's absolute dogwater to begin with. It does absolutely nothing to ameliorate the utter chaos that is 16v16. They might have just not added it in the first place. It's hollow. It should be the other way around 7v7 should be the norm and people should be able to choose to play 16v16.

[@platinumbridge]

Welp, guess that mean most of the player base wants 16 vs 16 (bcos it means not many are opting into 12 v 12 and smoller, not bcuz its broken). But yes continue drinking that koolaid.

[@oliverpasztor788]

@@platinumbridge I doubt it. I think most people just forgot to enable it, because it's not exactly obvious how to do it, if you are not deliberately looking for it. No sane person likes 16v16 in top tier. Only masochists.

[@andreluismouramaciel2828]

Its good to finally see people flying high in top tier

[@corybrown2197]

I want to stress to people. This is not DCS. You do not NEED to use TWS. TWS does not guarantee a kill. TWS is useful for finding and tracking targets without alerting them. But you can just as easily lock and launch and get kills in regular PD search mode

[@brodykloster2102]

Tws lets you fire at multiple targets, and tws doesn’t give them an rwr warning so tws is a very good mode to be in, if you aren’t using tws in a bvr fight then you are at a disadvantage

[@corybrown2197]

@@brodykloster2102 yea but no one is BVRing. The maps aren’t big enough for it. Just lock and launch at 25km

[@guialmeda2000]

Yeah man cool. Talk about how to dodge them but now go play the gripen A for 8 hours and stock grind the gripen C too and well see how you feel

[@Sunken194]

Just got the mig29g a few days ago still mostly stock. boy will this be fun

[@saintfan416]

Yeah good luck. I’ve got it spaded and it cannot compete anymore. The lack of arh missles has essentially made it irrelevant now. Up close it can still perform, especially with r73. But the r27 is no longer top dog

[@SebastianS-dt2fh]

@@saintfan416 I´m using the Mig29 at 12.0 and the R27ER is top dog at that BR. Don´t go above that BR to avoid Fox3s

[@saintfan416]

@@SebastianS-dt2fh yeah that’s the point. Nobody is arguing that. Go above 12.0 and see what happens. We are talking about the 29g broski not the 29

[@Tuhrue]

DEFYN's new word combo: Slam down

[@tilakpatel4508]

Only reason youtubers hate multipathing is because they can be shot down now instead of cheesing an unrealistic mechanic

[@Elijah1573]

Im honestly really shocked defyn said the change is bad since now you actually have to use real tactics to evade missiles Of all people i would have expected him to support the change

[@ferrous3262]

making it easier for bad players to get kills is a dumb change of course peopel with skill wont like it

[@Elijah1573]

@@ferrous3262 You can say the same thing about evading radar missiles too Multipathing lets you just fly under 100m in a straight line doing nothing else and the missile just goes dumb Imo theres nothing skilled about that

[@Red_Lion2000]

@@ferrous3262 You actually have to do something to avoid them now, seems like the opposite of dumb.

[@leftnut7508]

It would be very beneficial for you to use manual radar controls to steer your tws radar to the right edge at 11:10. You can still use cycle targets and not full manual if that's most comfortable, also slewing up or down is needed.

[@DEFYN]

Yeah but i am lazy 🫡

[@Hfchgdhijgvv]

Time to leave the top tier for a week and then come back, lol. Everything is broken: key binds, flare/chaff...

[@lyeeable]

Absolute perfect gameplay. You can change the key binds on the menu. I just turned it off honestly. I rather use primary secondary switches

[@thatoneguy1741]

What a time to be alive

[@Gorgotrove]

Weird seeing you at altitude in top tier. New meta indeed.

[@Red_Lion2000]

I like the multipathing nerf, but it needed to come with smaller team sizes. At least people cant just fly low to be 100% safe anymore, now shit planes with decent missiles like the tornado and new harrier are actually playable.

[@Appppy]

New update: All about draining the enemy's balls.

[@ClaytonB.]

hey defyn! hope all is well in the beautiful Netherlands, I am saying hello from London and Kosovo! I have two quick questions: what settings do you use for graphics/what are your specs and why is the Vulcan the best gun at top tier? ps: if anyone else can answer please do as I know defyn is super busy! have a great day to you all

[@michaeldejesus9651]

My issue is whenever im within 45km i get about 16 missile launch warnings, i cant even get close to the battle before defending

[@CaptainKreativ]

How in the world am I supposed to stock grind this thing? I haven't found a way to reliably get past BVR distances to go for a kill.

[@srgabrielfb]

very good update but, they lied about A-10 and SU-25's i still facing All aspect missiles with flareless planes

[@747simmer4]

another good person to watch when it comes to bvr is growling sidewinder. he plays dcs but the terminology and functions of bvr is the same

[@Argsgoon]

The vulcan now sounds like a paper shredder i cant hear a thing and decals ate broken awesome update!

[@Karl_Marx]

Top tier just got boring it's feel just like gambling at this point

[@Red_Lion2000]

It was the same before this update. At least now there are some people going high and doing bvr. Ground hugging and constant furball dogfighting is lame.

[@SkiddyOcean117]

Did they scuff non fox 3 top tier jets?

[@saintfan416]

Yeah non fox enabled jets are no longer viable. Rip to my mig29g

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

And I just unlocked the 29g. Glad I didn't waste the sl buying it. They should lower its br to 12.3 max. And b4 u usa mains cry "but r73" there are planes at 11.0 with r73 so your complaint is invalid.

[@ИванМатвеев-й2р]

@@saintfan416 not really, any 27er carrier is fine because you can still win against fox3s due to it's insane speed, the f14 is okay aswell, rest are fucked

[@saintfan416]

@@ИванМатвеев-й2р the 27 doesn’t matter tho. You have to maintain lock with it. As Germany we have 40 chaff brother. That ain’t enough for 16v16. With having to maintain lock, 3 jets can lock, fire, and forget you. It’s not balanced. It’s not even close.

[@ИванМатвеев-й2р]

@@saintfan416 with fox3 you have to maintain too, just less of the time and not all of it

[@Typo350]

How are you quick swapping the tws target? I have the swap target thing bound but it never does anything. Do you have to have the track over a target before the switch target hotkey works?

[@najmicreativetv9491]

the multipath nerf would be good on high BR with most ARH, no for BR11.7 and downtier BR F-14 is getting because it only benefit F-14 because they're the sole Fox-3 user in that BR while everyone else has SARH

[@Floody468]

What about the f16c as it gets aim 120s

[@trollking7046]

truely a video of all time

[@kingghidorah8106]

You should check out the new Mirage 2000 flight model 🤩 it no longer has post-mach AOA limiter.

[@shammmm1145]

Don't forget the top mirage 2000 gets 50g fox 3's

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@shammmm1145 fr france kinda meta

[@gialby]

What is that new count down that appears when you launch a fox 3 near the AAM selecotr

[@Aetherblade-z4o]

I sweaf the decal on defyns left wing (right wing?) makes him look like solo wing pixy

[@bingusbobby5012]

Did they changed aim9 M? They dont seem to pull as hard

[@notjunior5079]

game looks good

[@kotenara10]

why do everyone still gets into furball after brand new bvr missiles

[@cooq69]

new video epic

[@Broomtwo]

I unbound the shift+a thing, I don't think its necessary

[@trollking7046]

very nice

[@JosephM1E]

Kinda weird how we go from P-51 to F-15 in just 20 years

[@Red_Lion2000]

over 30 years

[@kevinpusceddu237]

Defyn can you please make a video on the mig 23 mla for the german tech tree. spoilers shit is straight unflyable. Maybe if you make a video gajin might notice the error and change the mig 23.

[@last_dutch_hero258]

Fokker G.1A when?

[@akahelpwttubers]

In no time

[@jjwardyjj]

It's so hard to understand what ur doing cos it's so fast DX I die too quick to learn what I did wrong

[@DEFYN]

If you need a slower guide i have a dedicated fox 3 video too

[@jjwardyjj]

@@DEFYNit's more so my in game that's the issue. It's hard for me to figure out cos there's always so much I need to look for

[@DEFYN]

Yeah... that's how this game is unfortunately It's a pain to get started

[@jjwardyjj]

@@DEFYN just fired 6 phoenixs at different targets... They all missed

[@DEFYN]

Make sure to guide them in long enough

[@farmcat9873]

Draining balls, a little bit stiffer whats going on in WT these days ........ Good video though like always no matter how many balls are drained 😋

[@francogaray2649]

pls guys remember to select the 6v6 gamemode

[@mastermidir]

Well, sadly I think my controller gameplay is finally dead for top tier. Big sad.

[@projectspiffo9949]

some one can give me any tips for bvr in the f16 c? i rlly can get the fox 3 to kill any thing

[@Red_Lion2000]

get to around 20-30k feet, make sure you are going at least mach 1, use tws and soft lock your target, lauch fox 3 at around 20-35km, try to keep the target highlighted with tws for as long as possible, as it is much easier to chaff when under its own guidence I think.

[@newguyiswinning]

Ah, the F15 as intended. Finally some US justic

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

You're kidding right? Usa had always had the best aircraft in the game. Come play Germany awhile and see if u still think usa air needs any help 😂

[@triple0verkillz45]

brother US has the best aircraft in the game what justice are you talking about 😭

[@pbluma]

smoothbrain moment

[@elkrumb9159]

Here it is folks Operation Skill Issue

[@f4uincorporated25]

Hey guys look it cipher

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

Why should lawnmowing be a hard counter for SARHM or ARHM? This change needed to happen, now we need smaller team sizes and larger maps. With eventually adding jammers ECM pods.

[@wtf27pl12]

Wait finally french W????

[@unoriginalplays120]

Good luck with stock grinding when everyone is slinging fox 3s at you across the map

[@Kaldosthesergal]

Pay or suffer XD

[@notafrog2040]

Yeha and especially with the new changes to multipathing. The community thinks the solution to adding better radar missiles is to make dodging them even harder

[@parmesancheez6087]

stock grinding becomes absolutely horrible after like 9.3 (being generous) stock grinding the f4 ej kai made me wanna do some things I cant say

[@nattapongpimson7994]

This problem should be easily solve with adding 2 ARH/SARH stock for every thing above 11.3 but knowing Gaijin if community didnt push hard enought they probably don't care and those who don't pay GE or Premuim will have to suffer try to stock grind anything top tier(ANYTHING)

[@VMUDream]

@@notafrog2040 Those people do not play the game and have zero clue lol

[@Pilloot.]

Time to come back to this video in 4 years when I’ve finally reached top tier

[@grahaldmills5930]

Skill issue

[@3601christopher]

I remember thinking the same lol

[@DaisiesTC]

@@grahaldmills5930 If you're f2p it takes about 4x as long to grind, and if you dont play every week or even every day it can easily take 4 years to grind to top tier regardless of skill level. Especially if you don't just play a single nation.

[@LordKimaris]

Not gonna take that long I’m only 200hrs in and I’m only 3 planes away from gettin rank 6 and 2 tanks away from rank 5

[@tangent.arc38618]

@@LordKimarisIm F2P, I don’t grind everyday, played casually for 1 year, made it to 6.7 Ground and Air for USA

[@spray916]

RAAAAAH!!! LARP LARP LARP!!! BVR BVR BVR!!!

[@thatcarguydom266]

Top tier dogfight simp spotted, skill issue detected

[@hopik512]

Couldnt wait for the 15 new keybinds Ill need to set up without having fingers for it...

[@t3dweipin193]

It just turn furball bigger by 10km, stock plane absolute suffer from this

[@InTheMood-fi3bh]

It’s not even stock planes, what the actual fuck is an f-16a with 6 Aim-9l supposed to do against fox-3’s and sarh middles being much harder to dodge

[@theostrichbird9021]

@@InTheMood-fi3bh The same way we dealt with Aim-54 spam when that first came out. Find some terrain and hope for the best. Being in a MiG-21 SMT during that time was genuinely cancerous

[@urielOrnstein]

@@theostrichbird9021 Lmao the shitbag aim-54 is not even comparable to the AIM-120.

[@bencenemet4059]

@@theostrichbird9021 Phoenixes are microwaved dogshit compared to the amraams, now I'm struggling with a stock F-16C without chaff, notching perfectly and flying so low that I have to dodge the local wildlife AND I STILL GET NAILED BY 3 AIM-120'S IN A ROW. Meanwhile their gameplay is to fly up at the start, lob all of their loadout in our general direction then stand up and go to the toilet, because the kills are guaranteed.

[@InTheMood-fi3bh]

@@theostrichbird9021 I perfectly understand how to noch and shit, but I cant fight back, missiles are outa range, and even they they are a 1 or 2 flare. and they are always too far for guns

[@ex0ghost837]

10/10 Edge this time Defyn🔥

[@Cibohos]

Finally caught your upload somewhat soon. Just wanted to tell you your content is great and I'm convinced I'd still be getting -SL every AIR RB match if I didn't go absolutely sicko mode on your guides and stuff. Keep it up pal

[@cokekitten5828]

dogfighting died with this one 💀 just a bunch of dudes staying at 10km from each other now

[@notafrog2040]

Bring back multipathing

[@TeamValkyrie2023]

I'd bet money they will bring it back

[@wmouse]

What do you expect? This game isn't a hardcore simulator, but it is based on real aircraft with real weapons systems. Modern air combat is fought with missiles. The game mode is called "Realistic Air Battles." This is what realistic air battles look like. If you don't *like* it that's OK but there is plenty of close in dogfighting to be had at other BRs, whether you go with mid-war props or early jets or 3rd gen fighters.

[@notafrog2040]

@@wmouse maybe because this isn’t dcs and the majority of people don’t want to play BVR in their super cool fast maneuverable jet, and they want to live out their top gun wet dreams by actually dogfighting. BVR IS BORING, but it should have its place. Bring back multipathing

[@wmouse]

@@notafrog2040 Who cares about DCS?

[@Lbozo23691]

Playing the F15A this morning while I grinded for the C ruined my day. Impossible to get anything done other than going defensive for every lock and launch and having no ability to be offensive in the slightest. This meta is going to be brutal for any plane without ARH missiles

[@Idk-cz9ms]

For anyone who doesn’t have fox 3s on any jet they own to grind with its fucking miserable I can’t even imagine the stock grind I’ve just decided to grind at 11.0 grind my stupid little plane just to not use it

[@Ro2xny]

60 Meters... it has never been so joever

[@ShadowBroker000]

i scraped the ground with my plane and 120 still killed me so yeah my ass 60 meters ,also if it splashes to ground you get damaged too

[@blanchbacker]

@@ShadowBroker000ground hugger spotted, skill issue detected.

[@fennoman9241]

@@ShadowBroker000That happens sometimes with SARH missiles too anyway.

[@notafrog2040]

@@blanchbacker “skill issue” is insane how much people throw that around. no. You still have IRCCM fox-2s. Use them you DCS BVR Larper

[@alphacentaurivenus8037]

​@@blanchbackerBvR Just isnt fun even If you are successful i prefer close range

[@HK_Slap]

war thunder top tier has just turned into DCS apparently, i'm hearing so many words i usually hear in a GS video

[@casualspawnpeeking3680]

its like DCS but with none of the things that make the gameplay of DCS work

[@PvtPartzz]

@@casualspawnpeeking3680like what?

[@withered8022]

better radar and stealth ​@@PvtPartzz

[@norinco8724]

​@@PvtPartzzits missing dcs's rng countermeasures and worse radar/seeker simulation

[@braedynhoward3644]

I am happy with that. WT is meant to be a good mix between arcade and simulator. I don't want to play DCS, so some realism in WT is cool and welcome

[@trinitygaming615]

defyn you should definitely try the f4j again, so far all my matches havent been uptiers and the radar missile multipathing 'buff'

[@SA-ks3ex]

Any good? I got F4j but didn’t even bother to spade it since Kurnass 2000 and MLD were so much better at the moment.

[@Idk-cz9ms]

@@SA-ks3exyeah it’s fun plus the ability to choose to use chaff or flares help it so much you can save countermeasures

[@trinitygaming615]

@@SA-ks3ex tbh the flight performance can be sometimes annoying but as long as u don't get slammed by a phoenix i usually get 2-5 kills

[@HeavenlyWindStudios]

What ive learned from this is that DEFYN is a top who drains balls and finishes you off under the desk

[@DrHavoc1]

fuck top tier.

[@GeneralLee2000]

BVR Beyond Visual Range gameplay

[@ibum4908]

I actually am liking the gameplay this update ... 😑 its the only thing I'm liking this update

[@Stanczyk996]

​@@ibum4908nah its hell. 16v16 is a fucking joke with fox3s

[@ibum4908]

@Stanczyk996 yeah I mean apart from the large matches... but I like the BVR. Also they got the smaller match sizes option too

[@booblizard104]

WW2 and early jets BRs are right there still.

[@Stanczyk996]

@@ibum4908 haha smaller team sizes as a option is a joke. This update is worst in terms of being playablr than all thoes sheninagans when f14 was being added. Its fucking horrible

[@Fffffffffffffffffrfrf]

'I was there Gandalf...the day that warthunder died' 🤔

[@platinumbridge]

...so its been dead since 2017 then?. Weird cos more players are playing it than ever.

[@justeunfan3364]

@@platinumbridge Honestly as much as I hate gajin and their stupid decisions, I really hope the game won't die anytime soon. low to Mid tier is still quite enjoyable, if you don't go passt 8.0 or even 10.0 you'll have some fun.

[@Fffffffffffffffffrfrf]

@@platinumbridge I don't want to create misunderstanding! I'm also enjoying a lot Wt right now...i've played It since the First versions...top tier was the f86 and the mig9/15...back then i was dreaming about playing with the f14...now that we have all of the modern jets feels like something Is missing...playing Just for the grind you know...

[@Fffffffffffffffffrfrf]

Speaking of the update...why no aim120 for the italian f16?

[@notafrog2040]

@@Fffffffffffffffffrfrf idk, probably just wasn’t thought of

[@ruansteenkamp4289]

The fact that so many people GE rushed to get the planes and spade them for the Fox-3's is canser, it's made the top tier experience unplayable if you are actually grinding the modules of a plane. And why the ever loving sh*t would they put a Phantom at 11.7?!

[@miss_bec]

Considering how dominant FOX-3s are, it's fucking criminal that FOX-1s aren't part of the stock kit. The F-15C comes with a pair of AIM-9Ms (rather than a full loadout of them) as stock, but even that's barely enough. For your first 10 games, you're gonna be stuck groundpounding against light vehicles because you don't even get bombs stock. It's just so messy for no reason other than frustrating players into paying to skip the grind.

[@zehi04]

love this new update, everything is broken, f15c in sim shoots out 30 flares if you click the button once, sometimes it decides to shoot out some chaff on top of the 30 flares, i'll just take that as the plane being secure and keeping me alive

[@nevetz845]

Even worse than the SHIFT + A, SHIFT + D changes which countermeasures are released by default (mixed/only flare/only chaff) so I died randomly 3 or 4 times shitting only chaffs against IR missiles

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

Pro tip: it’s generally not ideal to fire more Fox-3s on TWS at a time(until they reach terminal homing) than your datalink can keep track of. Only really a problem on aircraft like the MiG-29SMT, Su-27SM, and J-11A. They can datalink 2, 2, 1 missiles at once respectively.

[@DEFYN]

F15c can do 8 too

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

@@DEFYNYeah I forgor about that. F-15C can track 8, F-16C can now track 6, and J-11 can only track 1 lol. It’s only really the MiG-29SMT and Su-27SM now that can only datalink 2 at once. Not sure about the tornado. Ima edit the comment so I don’t do the classic War Thunder player spreading misinformation activity :)

[@Kompotamus]

@@Boris_The_Turtle My TWS never seems to behave enough to use it properly. I try to crank and all that and the missiles just, never go where I intended with the TWS spasming out.

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

@@Kompotamus It’s probably a product of how janky TWS behaves and the missile running out of speed at range. The last time I remember TWS working properly was on the Danger Zone update. TWS nowadays on all the radars randomly veers off the enemy aircraft you are tracking, and starts tracking literally nothing. Sometimes even locks air molecules for some reason. When the TWS is being troublesome, you may prefer hard locking a target to fire the missile.

[@rowanyuh6326]

Mig-23 now has 6 countermeasures

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

You can just not take chaff, arguably you'll only really need chaff in full uptiers

[@rowanyuh6326]

@@miquelescribanoivars5049 Nah it was bugged asf when I posted this

[@exhausting_thoughts]

now THIS IS a proper meta F-15. Cool mini guide about ARH defense and offense.

[@IceGuadian]

so far ive constantly been getting spiked by invisible ARH missiles, they dont show diamonds anymore above them and the multipath is definetly not 60 meters, feels more like 20

[@michaelc9155]

Missile marker is only visible if the engine is running

[@notafrog2040]

Sadge .. multipathing should be like 70 meters cause defending against a whole team of fox-3s ain’t fun

[@IceGuadian]

@@michaelc9155 i know that smokeless missiles were always harder to spot, but SARH and ARH missiles were visible within a few km range when the engine was already off before they would hit you, that is now completely gone

[@Jonathan-yu9ui]

Amraams never had a long burn time, missile in wt only get the marker if the engine is burning. The older sarh and phoenix had longer burn times so the diamond is pretty much always present. ​@IceGuadian

[@fishyboyx426]

been gooning to the update icl

[@krisxx9732]

27er user's are losing their minds with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️🤷🏾‍♂️🙏🏽😈

[@HDREal]

Thank god bro

[@Benjaminsquad391]

I beg you make a video about Mig21 Bison 🤩🙏

[@Sultan-cf5wf]

Multipathing for Fox 3 feels broken, far too many deaths below 60m.

[@Red_Lion2000]

as it should be, fox 3's shouldnt be as affected by it as fox1.

[@brycesakal3717]

I’m not going to lie. This update seems like it’s going to force people at top tier to have more dynamic piloting skills. Also, I noticed waaay more people flying high and almost no one hugging the ground. I feel like it makes the game far more “realistic” the ground hugging META IS DEAD!!!!

[@wmouse]

It's so weird that Gaijin would make a game mode called "realistic air battles" and then make everything kind of realistic.

[@girostade5477]

can the AIM-54C even compete with them new Fox-3 ? I'm pretty sure IRL a Phoenix would still be dangerous, but it's slower and less agile than an AIM-120A... we will see, I love the Tomcat, and I don't think I'll leave it now

[@Fgekc]

At least in DCS it sort of can. AIM54 has crazy range but worse guidance than the newer missiles so if you use the range and avoid getting into range of the other missiles it can work. If you get in range of the newer stuff though, you're at a big disadvantage.

[@kimjanek646]

I noticed the Shift-A while playing with a prop, I couldn't really find what used that binding so I just unbound most Jet related keys. With a prop it stopped me from making a left roll while still pressing shift for throttle.

[@Burgner68]

Do I need GE? Nah man I need a damn life.

[@zlounberg6958]

this kinda looks better than hugging trees all the time

[@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960]

in practice, however, it's just about as torturous as having your balls be microwaved, frozen, evaporated and liquified all at the same time. good job, reddit warrior

[@zlounberg6958]

@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 just tried it, yeah it's horseshit

[@Red_Lion2000]

@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 Nah, thats what it was like before the mp nerf. It feels a little more like realistic battles now as opposed to it feeling like arcade. Still needs 8v8 though.

[@danielmorgan1118]

Now you actually need knowledge and skill to play top tier. Multipathing was a much needed change. People are so mad that they can’t hug the ground and create stail gameplay. Sounds like a skill issue.

[@gansior4744]

The fuckin scream of redditors with a subway surfers and Belle Delphine OF, when they can't fight in a furball and throw missiles from 5km anymore. Music to my ears. Yes fuckers, time to learn BVR and play properly. If not, Ace Combat awaits

[@Gr3gl_]

So early the sponsorblock isn't up yet

[@Wizard-dq8qb]

im having the most miserable time of my life trying to get the SU-27SM

[@derritter3873]

Oh dear… I haven’t saved my controls in quite a while. If I got all my settings shifted I’m done for.

[@justgaming8664]

Imho this is the peak of dogshit gameplay in general,its just not entertaning and satisfying anymore in my case,like when I got my first top jet I was so excited, but now I just dont even want to start the match,so the only thing I will do is just research new harrier because Ive waited for it so long and get outta this place

[@user-bm2xf6io3c]

I was on vacation during the update. Almost have Aim120's. Hopefully they fun :D

[@MSGtJimator]

Should I get the F16 or F15 first?

[@amari2509]

All the people who wanted multipathing nerfed deep down know they fucked up😂😂😂 top tier somehow managing to be more miserable then ever

[@Red_Lion2000]

Nah, it was a good change, actually doing bvr in war thunder is a fun.

[@amari2509]

@@Red_Lion2000 no it is not what the fuck is fun about firing missiles across the map and not seeing ur enemy at all

[@Red_Lion2000]

@@amari2509 If you dont like it, play lower tier. Modern planes use BVR missiles, you will just have to deal with it.