Is Marvel's Spider-Man 3 In Trouble?

[@DegenerateJay]

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[@willbyrn5920]

Yes. They have so many loose ends and open story’s. If the game is near the seconds length then it’s screwed. It needs to be notably larger.

[@SlayerXGamez]

Agreed

[@jeremy144713]

Yeah I'm not worried about chameleon, he’s a B villain and will be a side mission but carnage should be a whole arc. If they try to do that in 3 missions it’s going to suck. But then again there’s not enough time to do carnage, green goblin and doc oct in one game

[@mvrtinxz650]

⁠@@jeremy144713carnage the first half and green goblin and doctor octopus in the other half ?

[@matthew721199]

Compare this game to rdr2… both games were rushed but one felt like a complete story that tied into the first one

[@AllDayErrDay.]

They needed that DLC in the worst way.

[@RHYD_]

The game had potential, and I feel it was wasted. I don't hate the game, but I don't love it either. The main things that anger me about the game: 1) short and rushed story - venom feels like an afterthought. 2) Peter's nanotech spider arms/iron spider style arms aren't optional to use (in that there isn't a toggle to turn them off completely). The arms just make the symbiote feel pointless.

[@blacksuit5247]

they should use the irons arms for a superior spiderman story and delete it for more develop more tendrill attack

[@Steel-101]

1. Despite some parts being rushed with venom, he doesn’t feel like an afterthought. As a matter fact, you can see that venom is a consequence of the Personal flaws of four people: Peter, Kraven, Harry, & Norman. Peters personal frustrations in life, norman not caring about the consequences of using an alien as medical treatment, Harry letting his fear of death(not accomplishing his dream) consume him, and of course Kravens idolatry surrounding the “final hunt”. Venom is just a mix of a xenomorph, ultimate and web of shadows. Just a crazy monster and I’m OK with that. I’m tired of him being a “comedic relief anti-hero”. Dude he’s supposed to be an evil alien. 2. As for the robot arms. Yeah, you can turn them off in the gameplay options. When it comes to traversal & parry(can edit in the options menu). Then there’s combat in the skill options for Peter(switching between the robot arms or the alien abilities. Only downside is that sometimes you might see the robot arms in the finishers, despite having the Symbiote abilities on(which isn’t frequent). As a matter of fact, the robot arms don’t make the Symbiote feel pointless. The Symbiote abilities are a lot more powerful than the robot arms. On top of that they refill very quickly when you use the Symbiote surge mode. So I don’t know why you’re calling the abilities “irrelevant” in your text.

[@RHYD_]

​​@@Steel-101When talking about the spiderarms, I just wish they weren't in the game. You can use them in combat, when web swinging, and when doing takedowns. There's literally no way to fully disable them. Genuinely, they just make the symbiote feel cheap and useless.

[@Steel-101]

@ OK you’re not crazy too about them. That’s your opinion but that being said, they don’t make the Symbiote feel “cheap & useless”. Seriously what are you talking about? As a matter of fact, the spider arms are a lot weaker than the Symbiote abilities. I like the metal arms but still I get more excited for the Symbiote abilities because they pack more of a punch And they refill faster. It’s far more addicting than Miles’s lightning abilities.

[@CosmicalGalaxy]

everyone talks about the the story being rushed and short and while I'm pretty sure the devs admitted it was a bit rushed the story being short is a dumb and weird argument cause all spiderman games are between 3-10 hours why are we expecting them to release 15-30 hour long games?

[@_-Bane-_Main]

3:47 an uppercut that launches a normal human being several feet in the air is 100% either taking the jaw clean off and/or leaving that guy paralyzed

[@DegenerateJay]

It's just a flesh wound.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

"heroes don't kill people" i guess everyone in this universe us superhuman. i'm constantly saying.... dead..... he's dead. dead.... fell on his 'neck' paralyzed..... etc.

[@rynemiller1931]

They should've done dlc for SM2. Now that they didn't they either need Spider-Man miles morales 2, venom, or silk or something to tie some of the loose ends up. Personally I think if sm3 isn't a 40hr game and doesn't tie up every actual loose end then it's a failure for fans.

[@Mrsplifferdoodle]

That last bit is a very d*mb take.

[@majodyalayawi8802]

Simple 0:43 1. NO Mj missions 2. Let insomniac take their time 3. Remove sweet baby inc

[@jeremy144713]

At least the MJ missions in SP2 were 1000% better than the 1st and they got rid of screwball mission so maybe they'll listen

[@mijailsilvakiyan9170]

​@@jeremy144713 The only reason I wanted Screwball to be in SM2 was because of a possible encounter with Black Suit Spider-Man

[@xxslowgooglexx4365]

@@jeremy144713I’ll admit it was way better in 2 but it’s still shit with gold plating. I don’t want shit I WANT SPIDER-MAN!

[@jeremy144713]

@@mijailsilvakiyan9170 Lolol that would of been great

[@jeremy144713]

@@xxslowgooglexx4365 yeah I agree, especially with how much content they need to cover. There’s no time for MJ missions

[@chrisx050102]

Tbh i don’t mind the Peter and miles story together. I like how they’re both trying to balance their life out. Miles is wanting to be Spider-Man and do school, but Peter on the other hand is trying to do less Spider-Man stuff and just have time for himself and MJ. The problem is they made it to short. I feel like they were maybe scared on taking the story further.

[@docroy4317]

It appears to me that a lot of the post-game content and future titles relied on winning a GOTY award. I hate Sony

[@100_funsshatta]

yup. the hack was a cover up.

[@Anonymous.Throne]

@@100_funsshattadid you actually see everything in the leak?

[@Just_a_ghost713]

As of right now spider man 2 needs a big expansion to conclude the story of 2. But when spider man 3 comes Peter needs to be the main playable character. This will make the work easier for the Devs and the writers. Hopefully they add another 10 or 20 hours in the story.

[@UP4NONE]

If they added co op I would buy a ps5 just so me and my bro could go web swing through NYC together.

[@T02F20]

A co op Spider-Man game where you could actually free roam would be fire. And if silk is actually gonna be another Spider-hero what’s stopping insomniac 🤔

[@zainebrown1351]

Dude you can’t afford a ps5

[@maddieisjuicy2618]

@@zainebrown1351A lot of people probably can’t. Economy is rough.

[@andyowski1515]

​@@zainebrown1351? Why would this matter if he can't? There's a lot of poor people dude.

[@T02F20]

@@zainebrown1351 ???

[@colemanscorner5955]

Ps4 Spider-Man, bring back all the gadgets, I loved using them, I was a little disappointed that they took them away. That was my main issue. The traversal was awesome with the Web wings. Also, take away sweet babby Inc.

[@eddie-yw3vs]

I wouldnt have an issue with the game EVEN if it had the same story but the open world was better.There is literally nothing to do after finishing the main and side content besides swinging and doing the same fucking 5 crime types with the same boring ass spongey enemies.Why not have races why not have something as basic as delivering pizza ffs or boat crimes they could ve added so much more to make the game world feel alive

[@blacksuit5247]

lazy games

[@CosmicalGalaxy]

As if that isn't the same thing you do in litteraly every spiderman game after beating the story🤦‍♂️

[@tobejaison9781]

Please don't use any bad words

[@Anonymous.Throne]

World interactivity is the biggest issue with this game next to the story. Especially since the game will always take place in New York. They need to incorporate more things to do, even outside of combat. The 2000’s Spider-Man sandbox formula is played out

[@Mrsplifferdoodle]

Tf else do expect to be able to do after doing everything there is to do? Tf is this d*mb comment.

[@grantdaily9662]

Im indifferent on SP2 cause it can be fun at times, but the last half of the story missions for Carnage, Chameleon, Kraven and Venom that it skips so much build up that SP1 had with Mr. Negetive and Doc Oc. Now with three there's so many loose ends that are here in SP2 that DLC could've done help with, so that SP3 wouldn't have the pressures to hit each point along with whatever new Story they have to do with Norman. Its just alot at once and now the writers are under heavy eyes thanks to the mediocre to okay writting in SP2 and Sony showing that they just dont care about what critiques they get.

[@lucamigliavacca]

Since when it’s become a bad thing to have high expectations for something? “You were expecting too much, just be happy with what we got” is the dumbest reasoning i’ve seen lately on the internet. If my expectations are high it’s because they were set there by what i played and after 5 years of development on the ps5, all the assets being the same and so on….. then yeah, i expect more from a sequel.

[@Rickytickytambo]

As a former miles hater, spiderman 2 made me appreciate miles for his personality and differences from peter

[@Ogtrapking420]

I honestly don’t care about Spider-Man 2 dlc or Spider-Man 3 it is what it is

[@CosmicalGalaxy]

Why are we acting like all future spiderman games will be bad just because spiderman 2's story wasn't quite to their liking. 2:17 they never even said there would be dlc's. The community is just greedy and cant just play a game.

[@onglanh5329]

Because just like Rocksteady, they have proven that they can't even come up with a decent story without a comic book writer holding their hands.

[@TheRealTrueDizzy]

ive kinda lost hope for sm3 after playing 2 since i feel that the 3rd has been poorly set up so far and the flaws of sm2 are gonna have a big affect on the 3rd. it also doesnt help that this game will probably not be out till 2028 so i dont think ill care by then especially since i waited so long for sm2 and wasnt satisfied with it

[@JohnJones-ro3re]

i don

[@TheRealTrueDizzy]

The thing is that the faults of the sm2 has an effect on the third game such as the poor motivation for Norman Osborn hating Spider-Man

[@Noname-gm5om]

@@JohnJones-ro3reit is fair to lose hope these sweet baby fucking losers retired Peter and put fucking silk in when she had no narrative place in the story because she’s a fucking woman

[@thebigzan]

​​@@TheRealTrueDizzythat shit made me laugh. They literally stopped Harry from dying and Norman hates them for it?

[@CosmicalGalaxy]

They released 2 good games and 1 that was a little less good and now all of a sudden all hope is lost? And waiting till 2028 ain't even that bad it's only 4 years gta fans have been waiting for decade+ for a new game. Sm3 can also tie all the unfinished stories into the main story/side quest to add additional content. Losing hope is a bit of an exaggeration just keep your expectations low that way you won't be dissatisfied. This community just wants to much and often times also nitpick things they dislike. It's okay to dislike a game but that's often times because your expectations are too high

[@safariatari1094]

that 3rd game is gonna have to be like a 70 hour story without side missions to just to cover their loose ends from sm2 while also being a finale to the entire series with its own unique standalone story. Miles and Cindy with Peter, Doc Ock returning (and possibly doing some type of superior spiderman plotline), Harry coming out of his coma, the green goblin being the big final villain, and Peter's retirement/coming out of retirement, and that's just in the main plotline. There's also unconnected ends in Chameleon, TaskMaster (who didn't even appear in SM2), Wraith (kinda), and the 100% likelihood of the spider-verse crossover. There's so much they have to do. Carnage is such as crazy open end from the 2nd game that I think if they don't address him at all in the 3rd people would be big mad. I really hope they can explore some of those ends in an inbetween game like a venom game or something like a Miles Morales 2 (idk how this would work tho unless the reason for Peter's absence is his retirement)

[@baki484]

I don't care I'm picking up the 3rd from a bargain bin (if I pick it up at all) either way none of these games Insomniac are worth pre-ordering let alone buying day one after Spider-Man 2. If Bryan Intihar wants to keep shoving the same MJ sections and other monotonous braindead puzzles despite the feedback then things won't change for them. It's time to get the comicbook writers back this time around instead of consulting companies like SBI.

[@ihavenoideaatall7381]

I think most of the problems really come from Sony and the fans. The fans have put so many things insomniac does under a microscope and nit picks so many things like the movie suits not being exactly 1 to 1 or hyping up ideas for having suit customization and being able to do multiplayer etc. Sony forced the devs to rush out the game and gave a limited budget. Insomniac devs now have to make half the game they wanted and fill the rest of the campaign with little side missions and mini games with simple mechanics. It’s worrying because Sony learned from other studios that they can bank off a popular IP making millions within the first couple of weeks and not have to put much effort or money behind it to do so. Also the hacking of insomniac’s private information didn’t help either. I wonder if the people at insomniac might be feeling like ever since spiderman ps4 came out they’ve been cursed with issues and being squeezed between the demands of the fans and executives. I can only hope that Sony stops being Sony and lets the devs work their magic like they did with the first game.

[@MrLeerolljankins]

Asking Sony to stop being an incompetent moron like Warner brothers? Like that will ever happen

[@hanasong1519]

They had a 300 million dollar budget I wouldn't call that "limited".

[@jamesmason7979]

I think it's way to early to worry about the game.

[@cathylickpriest7775]

Idk. Maybe if insomniac and Sony had worried about 2 earlier the game would have been better.

[@CosmicalGalaxy]

​@@cathylickpriest7775 they were rushed by sony ain't nothing they could've done about it

[@baki484]

​@@CosmicalGalaxy They weren't rushed they had poor time management and got over ambitious. Bryan Intihar's ego didn't help by shoving crap like MJ mission down our throats knowing that they were the weakest part of the the first game and fans not liking it. He cut content for said missions. Only 10% of Tony Todd's (RIP) line were used. They spent more time cutting than adding. So we'll add poor research management.

[@CosmicalGalaxy]

@baki484 they were rushed.

[@maddieisjuicy2618]

@@baki484Tony Todd was so wasted and now he’s gone. If I was responsible for that choice at Insomniac I would be ashamed.

[@Ghostrobo1011]

Uninstalled the game once I finished it and nvr looked back.

[@theanominous]

Same, played the game ONCE, and I couldn’t even bother to play it again.

[@slang1517]

It’s really hard to play through a second time. 2-3 hours of boring sections where you walk next to characters and ride roller coasters/bikes

[@marzeloperas]

I never owned a PS5 But to this day, I'm still playing the first game

[@Ghostrobo1011]

@@marzeloperas the first game was pure magic man, so much replayability

[@g3ar75]

I loved spiderman 2, was it perfect? No. But I'm not gonna sit here and whine like some people about the "gay missions" yeah I rolled my eyes a little and moved on but outside of that it's still an amazing game. Movement is extremely fast and flows into combat really well. I love the chases over the city. And while the story was short there were still emotional moments that got to me. I liked the scene with aunt May teaching Peter about balance and thought this plays a big role in the story

[@BSH9009]

Chameleon make dlc, carnage for venom game, focus on the goblin. Problem splved. As far as all these other little problems you pointed out in the video take some of those plot points and resolve them in the Venom game or hell you could even make a Miles Morales too of sorts to just tie up some of these plot threads and then Spider-Man 3 can have a clean slate hell I would even buy a dedicated silk game

[@sal4731]

There’s no dlc plans for SM2, venom game also ain’t real, Donno how they’ll even make it unless it’s agent venom with carnage. A Silk game is more likely to be made with miles as supporting. And the SM3 for the green goblin.

[@numerouspizza6721]

It seems like they already didn’t know what to do with miles in the second one. Personally think they should either pull a jason, or have miles sacrifice himself. This would pull Peter out of retirement. Would be crazy if goblin killed miles, and Peter went on a revenge quest. Instead of making it like another dark symbiote story, where he finds what it means to be spiderman we could have Peter really try to kill Osborne and Harry wakes up to stop it from happening.

[@kickinwinganimaldoctor7418]

Yeah I think Spiderman 3 is in big trouble mainly cause the whole world’s about to blow up… Sooooooo…

[@phantom3146]

No it will be fine , The core aspects of the game has always been done well in each Spider-Man game which is Gameplay . Story could definitely be a mess , but Traversal and combat supersede that . Arkham city is superior to knight in every way outside gameplay yet Knight is still a lot of people’s favourite Arkham game

[@blacksuit5247]

Even if we got a underdeveloppement of black suit they should developp the anti venom suit in dlc with carnage

[@maddieisjuicy2618]

Black suit arc being so rushed was one of my biggest issues with the game.

[@CJ2315]

I hope some plot threads (Carnage & maybe even Chameleon) could get addressed in the apparent Venom game coming. All in all as much I absolutely adored my first playthrough, as time goes on I feel more disappointed than anything. So many rushed plot points, so many missed opportunities.

[@Detectivecomics150]

I blame the hackers for everything that wrong with insomniac

[@Raccoon.City.Police.Department]

They just showed what was wrong, they did it to show everyone how deep the betrayal of insomniac to gamers and Freedom runs. They are racist and sexist, thinking it only works one way. Retards, and morons. I'll be skipping SP3 and all their other games. As a white man in Persia, if you attack Men that have built the world completely or attack anybody's skin or Race, and try to push an agenda in any way you are the monster and my enemy. Long Live America, and Long Live Freedom.

[@quaarng]

This is the "The Force Unleashed 2" of the modern gaming era

[@arthur.m2528]

Story wise? Yeah, it's a bad spot for the narrative. Should this be a trilogy, this being the middle chapter makes an inconsequential story particularly worse, as by the end of it, i feel nothing and every tease for something else just mantains this middling feeling, carnage, silk, the goblin, chameleon, it's whatever. It's a rollercoaster game, and it unfortunately leaves no real emotional impact after the ride. Overall, it's fun and that's about it.

[@Running_Joke]

I was very disappointed with Spider-Man 2 for several reasons, one of those being that its story was significantly shorter than the first game, (seriously, I checked and there are a total of 14 less missions in 2 than there were in 1 and some of the ‘missions’ in 2 are literally just - travel to location, trigger a cutscene, end cutscene, mission completed, here’s 2000 XP) and that a massive chunk of it was apparently cut for unknown reasons, like how Tony Todd said only 10-15% of his Venom lines got used. Another is that Miles went through no real struggles in the game and never had any moments where he made mistakes that he actually had to learn and grow from. Especially the stuff with Mr Negative, he just forgives him during their second encounter and there’s barely any build up to it to make it meaningful and believable. Meanwhile Peter is literally getting his brain re-written by an alien parasite to make him a violent, bloodthirsty monster and almost everyone around him shits on him for it after its removed from his body and expects him to apologise as if he was in any way at fault for being mind-controlled. MJ doesn’t even apologise for being so condemning of his actions even after she got possessed by the exact same thing and now knows exactly how it feels and how it brings out your absolute worst emotions and literally turns you into a horrifying monster. Personally I think a better idea for Miles’ story would be for him to go after Mr Negative like he did in the actual game and when he finds him and MN gets inside his head, Miles’ own hatred for Li and his thirst for revenge (his *negative* emotions you might say) cause him to be taken over by Li and made an Inner Demon temporarily. Wouldn’t that be way more interesting and fucked up? Miles is put under the control of the guy who killed his Dad and has to be helped out of it? It even parallels with Peter and the Black Suit - your darkest emotions taking you over and everything.

[@Pulverizer2000]

Considering the crazy support given to democrats by the hollywood celebrities, now them gone i hope every entertainment industry would get rid of this forced wokeness from entertainment medium. Only downside of spiderman 2 was mj missions, goofy gay sidemissions and the disappointing ending which felt like rushed.

[@MrLeerolljankins]

Will see if they double down on this nonsense or not seeing as how they were completely and utterly humiliated this year

[@Pulverizer2000]

@MrLeerolljankins man every woke slops released these past years got absolutely destroyed and 2024 is the peak, Sony will never do that again lol concord is the biggest failure of all time

[@richardsantana731]

The reason it didnt do as well as the first one, is because they hired sweet baby inc, if they're still working with imsoniac, then spiderman 3 is most definitely screwed, sweet baby inc was the reason so many games flopped these past few years 😂

[@thejohnallcornshow9842]

I think it's a great game but I do understand the issues with the game. The leaks for the dlc,etc make the 3rd game in trouble

[@SpideyGameVideos]

I'm so worried about Insomniac's situation, let's hope PlayStation gives them time so they can finish Marvel's Wolverine, Marvel's Spider-Man 3 and any other proyect they're working on. 🕷🕸

[@steveplaceholder6522]

One more thing, if silk is in the game and if she doesn't have a smaller spin off game then that would be even more load for spider man 3 to work on

[@ethandoyle4978]

We could get another miles morales game to resolve some of these plot threads .

[@xxtravistyxx0]

I want the game to be longer. Like make a deep story that takes like 30 hours to beat I want a long in depth story

[@isaacw.brooks8417]

I do believe that Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is in jeopardy, not just because of the passing of Tony Todd but also because of the lack of additional content. But, if a third game is made, we need fewer missions not focused on the Spider-Men.

[@acgamingandentertainment958]

We deserve a legit 50 hour STORY for Spider-Man 3 game with Peter keeping the anti venom with no stone unturned to end this franchise

[@xoler2167]

It is if they don’t get rid of Sweet Baby Inc

[@SlayerXGamez]

Agreed

[@grantdaily9662]

It's not named SBI anymore, I can't remember what they're changing it to

[@Master_Blaster_3000]

​@@Tournament_HostSBI most definitely was the issue.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@Master_Blaster_3000yeah just ignore all the valid points because WOKE!! 😂

[@Zeel-ko1ni]

I’m not of a fan of SBI either but to say they are the cause of everything wrong with the game is so childish.

[@quietchap]

Idk, I just feel like the replay factor is kinda gone? Like- once you beat New Game + there is literally nothing left for you to do. Super easy game to platinum, even more than the first two. What I think Insomniac should develop are some Arkham style AR missions that let you replay key areas from the story, and tack on some challenges to them, like never being spotted in stealth. Or even an endless combat challenge that progressively gets harder, like the Iceberg Lounge challenge in Arkham. Behind the challenges could be coins that unlock even more skins. Side note- I agree about the weird changes that feel like mandates from higher ups. Peter felt like his current comics counterpart in the story (meaning he keeps having to be saved and apologize constantly, very rarely getting W’s for himself). They literally wrote his retirement into the plot. I’m still calling it that he will die in the 3rd game

[@raf686]

That's for many games out there esepcially sandbox. Replay ability is left up to the person consider8ng how many hours I have replayed this game and the first game. 😂

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

🤔 Is the Insomiac Spider-Man in trouble?... the answer will the most definitely be yes if they're still being run by Sweet Baby inc.

[@Soloisbac]

@@kamenrangerzeo8251 any game using sbi is a disaster

[@Chavsbusiness]

It has some major problems like you said. The third game shouldn’t be the last because there are too many plot points they have to solve in one game. And the third game needs major improvements like new open world activities after beating the game because it feels boring and bland now. It can’t solve all those problems in just one game.

[@Skywalker-lz5qj]

I don’t know about others but for me insomniac burned the good will I had from Spider-Man ps4 so yes I think it might be in trouble

[@shades9180]

I find with trying to juggle so many things at once when it comes to writing that its very easy for certain aspects to suffer and Spiderman 3 is gonna gave a whole lot to juggle.

[@dcj991]

When will these companies understand that more control is better

[@BucketSoup2023]

These are some of the funnest games I have ever played, but I don't trust the writing team over at insomniac. The story for the next game is absolutely cooked if they don't make some BIG changes

[@Truekingr6]

Whatever hype I had, is dead, fk insomniac

[@семенкабанов-е3з]

It's simple, how will they develop Harry's story - in the 3rd game they will kill Harry, kill MJ (the goblin will kill her) and show us the suffering of Peter and the goblin who destroys the city. Well, because it's insonmiak, dude. Their plots are not working. So it's easier to kill secondary characters - yes, the game failed, but they will introduce Cindy Moon and Miles will become the main spider - that's what they are counting on.

[@assassinsknight]

Consider the fact that not as many people are excited for future projects compared to how it was before Spider-man 2 released, yeah. Now that the new game smell wore people are trashing Spider-man 2

[@michaelstocktonmusic]

We need to see some more of the Marvel Universe in a third game. No other heroes showing up during an ALIEN INVASION OF NEW YORK added to the third act feeling pretty underwhelming. In Web of Shadows, the last chunk of the game truly feels apocalyptic. It was way longer, and we got to see how other characters in the universe were trying to deal with it. In Spiderman 2, the invasion lasts like 2 days, and then it's over.

[@doorsfan173]

It could be. I do feel Insomniac has been spread too thin, and the cracks started to show in Spider-Man 2. The first game's story hit on such an emotional level, and was kind of the perfect Spidey immersion experience, to me. Part 2 has a lot of ambition, but it feels too rushed in its narrative, and like there's more spectacle than substance. It plays really well, but I felt kind of empty after finishing it. I hope they can pull it back for the next one.

[@rush5235]

Honestly, I think the best move may be a Miles Morales 2 that bridges the gap and brings Peter back into the fold

[@Bandit-man7841]

7:17 agreed! Especially considering the lack of extra content & DLC they ought to have brought the focus down to just Peter discovering the Symbiote’s powers (eventually gaining Venom levels of strength perhaps). Really they should have brought Miles role right down too!! like to where Robin or Catwoman are in Arkham City. I love the Mysterio missions incidentally. The Symbiote Arc never gets dealt with properly outside the comic space . Is it really that hard to have a full game or Movie whereby he still has the costume at the end. Or a full animated series based on the arc. Mostly the lack of DLC is the problem it just needed 1 more enemy type with some enemy bases.

[@martindominguez1518]

I think Spider-Man 3 will need to step it up in every category. Needs to be a lot longer as well.. 35-40 hour game I would love that.

[@entrydenied]

Regarding marketing costs, the same leaks that said the second game costs 200 mil also contained information that said marketing for either the first or second game is 30 million dollars. I can't remember which is it but I would assume the numbers should be close for both. Video game marketing rarely reach the same levels and costs as movie marketing since they're more targeted. It's very rare to see ads for video games in my country whereas you'll be likely to see movie ads for movies that cost a fraction of what SM2 costs. Usually only the big guns like CoDs, GTAs, and now Chinese gacha games like Genshin and HSR get such big marketing budgets. The 300 mil for SM 2 also includes the money they paid to Marvel, which is 100 mil. Effectively speaking the license is marketing, since put Spiderman onto anything will make the product sell.

[@valentecarrillo4259]

After Miles Spider-man they probably only had 3 years to work on marvel Spider-man 2. I like Spider-man 2 but hearing what the developers were planning would have been better. But of course Sony rushed them to release it in 2023. This does makes me worried for Spider-man 3 Sony might rushed them to release it early.

[@baki484]

Mile morales was made by a different team. They had 5 to build on what was established. Don't make excuses for them. Sony did not rush them.

[@Anonymous.Throne]

Lmao Sony did not Rush them. Insomniac went over the budget by 30 million; mismanagement & poor focus on what actually mattered for the sequel to thrive.

[@androsthewarriorhighalpha]

Bring in other characters that would help Spider-Man.. The Human Torch, Iceman, Firestar, Hulk, Ben Reilly, A-Bomb, Captain America, Wolverine, DareDevil, The Thing, She-Hulk, and Spider-Gwen. Think about the coolest interactions right there for a Spider-Man game.

[@timekreepers]

My problem is honestly just how the story was handled. The first half of the game is amazing. I think the beginning few hours is probably the best part of the game. But as the story goes on it slowly becomes more of a less cohesive story. Gameplay wise and graphics the game is amazing I love it.

[@Zacharilius]

I thought Spider-Man 2 was really excellent. The problems with it felt more like nitpicks to me than serious flaws. I do think they’re in a tough spot where this type of game has been done to death, and that makes it hard to deliver something new and exciting for players. They did a good job imo even though things could have been more fleshed out.

[@b1ackspid3r43]

I wished SM2 had DLC but since they don’t here’s my idea on how to tie up some lose ends so SM3 doesn’t feel crowed: 1. A Venom game that’s set in the same universe where Carnage is the main threat, & this is just a personal thing I don’t want Peter to keep the symbiot in SM3 so while fighting Carnage (with the Spider-men & Yuri) Peter will lose the anti-venom suit. That’s just so the symbiot story doesn’t get dragged into SM3, I wanted them to finish it up in 2. 2. We should have a SM Miles Morales 2 game which shows how Silk gets her powers & Miles taking her under his wing which would lead into… 3. A Silk game, that’s basically it, I mean make sure Peter & Miles aren’t in NYC so they can’t help but this is just to help flesh out her character more & so in SM3 we aren’t going to have her get her powers, learn how to use them, & become playable all in 1 game. That would be WAY too much

[@Soloisbac]

SM2 was such a letdown, i firmly believe because they hired sweet baby inc meaning they couldn't put anything edgy in as they wouldn't want to offend the modern audience and end up with a bland game. The gameplay was amazing but the story and character development was pure garbage compared to the first game that showed us what it truly meant to be spiderman, sacrificing the ones you love in order to save everybody. SM2 I didn't learn anything or feel moved as I did the first one

[@phantom3146]

Also just for the comments not much to do with SM2 but people seriously misunderstand SBI , they don’t “control” games or force anything in games it’s ridiculous people think that . Any representation in SM2 has already been in SM1 and Miles Morales

[@G0DLIKE92]

As an Ultimate Spider-Man fan, I hated Miles existence because they killed Peter. So it was Insomniac and Into The Spider-Verse that made me love him now. I really like his stand alone game. I didn’t mind most of his presence in 2 but nerfing down Peter was a horrible decision. If you take a shot every time Peter got thrown into something, smashing his back, some would pass out. I hope the third game starts off with Miles but something happens where Peter has to come back. I don’t want Miles dead obviously but either a personal connection to Osborn or Octavius would be okay. Then when it’s resolved, Miles can take back over for the future

[@TheSauceYouGetLostin]

I think it's in trouble, they definitely closed a lot of doors with the second game, most of those were too soon. Going into the 3rd game we kinda don't have enough doors to go through. It looks like they want to go into a superior spiderman arch but I can't see that playing out any differently than the Symbiote arch, where Ock takes over, Spidey goes bad, miles reaches out and pulls Peter back. They really have to get some serious writers in there to save the day, but with how locked off they are in being as inoffensive as possible I really don't think that's going to happen.

[@andreseymour4527]

I feel like if they wanna hire writers to write a narrative around these characters then they should hire comic writers who have a strong sense of the characters fundamentals

[@inkedthedemon]

@@andreseymour4527yeah

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

Also, don’t forget forcing Norman to become Green Goblin in the third act that leads to Peter getting an Anti-Goblin suit just like every game lol.

[@adiasdiante1010]

I think the game is going to be cancelled honestly

[@dariusreyes797]

As a fan of Miles, they really need to respect THE Spider-Man which is Peter…I’m all for them saying he’s needs some downtime to do what he wants for himself and not the city and Miles is his way to do it but saying “there’s no need for him because there’s Miles”….bro he’s Spider-Man, the one who taught Miles. There’s no reason how or why Miles should be outperforming Peter…they did so good with the first game, they need to find a better balance. AND it’s not like Miles is some superior to where it makes sense that he’d be better than Peter, bro is still in HIGH SCHOOL and he acts like it too, I want Miles’ character to mature as well

[@isabaig6665]

One thing I find underrated about the game is that every main criticism about the first game was addressed. Maybe crimes being called boring. Even then I think they were slightly improved. I think if insom has time they can do a good job.

[@kenlsten4651]

They also removed a lot of great stuff, like the gadget, actually good side quests and enemy camps, and suits, and replaced them with biking levels, a graffiti simulator, bee drone simulators, a basketball mini game, a DJ mini game, and fill coney island with a bunch of crap I wouldn’t go to an actual carnival to play.

[@isabaig6665]

@ there were still good side missions and people said there were two many enemy bases in the first game. I don’t think they always hit the mark but I think attempts were made.

[@MeamBizarro]

Many people didn't like the mj missions and they doubled down on them in the second.

[@isabaig6665]

@@MeamBizarro they had half as many and they were way better gameplay and story wise.

[@CosmicalGalaxy]

​@@MeamBizarro no they didn't they just made them better and more enjoyable so people could actually like them I've seen barely anyone complain about them compared to the 1st installment

[@Mackeyfoldem]

As long as theres a Spider-Man game people are gonna buy. That name alone holds so much wait.

[@DegenerateJay]

Yep. That's why the Amazing Spider-Man comics are allowed to be so bad - people just buy them then complain.

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

Between poor choices in story, involving SBI in any capacity, trying to hard to split screen time between Peter and Miles and focusing on MJ, SM2 has a lot of problems that are obvious and, if Insomniac isn't against listening to fans this go around, SM3 could be decent.

[@josemolina3858]

I wanna see the green gobling arc go from spider islands to red gobling arc story wise it will be perfect

[@Darkjedi]

10:05 nailed it

[@arunabhmahanta]

Making John Bubniak the face model of Peter will surely pull me back, I still refuse to play Miles Morales or Spider-Man 2 because it breaks immersion and I feel like that decision alone nullifies any meaningful choice made by original the PS4 players. I was a fan of this universe, I even bought the tie-in novel... but swapping the main protagonist's entire character model is a step too far.

[@jrgm5382]

I’ve played Spider-Man 2 twice and got bored of the story twice

[@MeamBizarro]

Yes its in trouble. I'm not a fan of silk. The second game did not get me exited for the next game. So I'm not going to play the third game. Hopefully its good but i don't see how it can be.

[@benjaminwitham8142]

As a big fan of the first two games i fully think that spiderman 2 felt indisasive like it was at war with itself and it dont know what really wanted to be so i think the key for spiderman 3 is it needs to be more streamlined and simpler like the first two games were there was way too much going on in marvels spiderman 2 they need to take a few steps back choose specifically what avenue the story should go fully commit to that one or two ideas and go for it and don't let be indisasive where the story threads dont add up to a satisfying conclusion

[@signifiednose7499]

I’ll be happy if they just nail the Green goblin story. I would to see them twist the traditional Gwen Stacy narrative by killing off MJ

[@Elvis-m3i]

Spider-Man 2 was good. The only thing that was missing was the tech spidy used in the first game. I like the abilities. But next time, they should add both abilities and tech. The swinging was improved and the story was solid. Hopefully in 3, we don’t play as miles half the game. I want to play as Parker as well.

[@fahimrahman3088]

no they are working into it take time i hope it will be better good for story and DLC will be happened let see for future

[@kingPigify]

If Spider-Man 3 is worrying then what does that say bout Wolverine.

[@asamckenzie827]

Yeah I think they really need to clean up and tie up all loose ends of the story

[@thedevilsleutice]

Yes The more I play Spider-Man 2. The thought comes to my head, why not play the story? Oh yeah I hate it, side missions, hate it, crimes repetitive, combat challenge(to little and for one character)

[@Steel-101]

I do have some concerns with the 3rd game but do I think it’s in “deep trouble”? No. It’s unfortunate that insomniac has way too much on their plate due to the hacking incident but I think SM3 will do fine. I don’t know what they’ll do with Carnage but I got the feeling that Harry will be the hobgoblin(similar to SM3 the movie). He will most likely help Peter fight the green goblin. Also despite some of the flaws in SM2, I think it’s still a fantastic story. Actually, I like it a little bit more than the first one.

[@cristianvazquez2507]

Jay I am sorry to say Spider-Man 2 was not a great game. It is sad but you got think about it Sweet Baby Inc took gamers out of the immersion of the world to focus on DEI. I am just shocked how this budget ballooned to $350M and to be honest the mapped looked almost the same as Spider-Man 1. I do not know where Insomniac goes from here and I am worried for Wolverine if Sweet Baby Inc is involved. To be honest I did not like the idea they made Harry Venom instead of Eddie Brock. They have to focus more on Comic versions of there characters to appease the fans.

[@TheMarine316]

No it’s not in trouble, why would it be? all 3 games have been wildly successful & very well received.

[@oi7917]

only because it’s spider-man. i’m a fan myself but even then i was severely disappointed in 2. sure, the gameplay is fun, and way more fluid than the first and the Miles Morales game. but if we’re talking about the story going forward, yeah, it is in trouble. they have the lead up of carnage and the chameleon, and on TOP of that, i feel a lot of people are forgetting about Cindy Moon, who is also a spider character. and THEN we have otto and norman teaming up. and who knows what other villains they’ll throw in there. if they don’t find a way to conclude carnage and chameleon, then the story is gonna be overly complicated and very likely rushed. let’s hope sony gives insomniac the proper time needed to make their best comeback.

[@maddieisjuicy2618]

Something can sell good and not be as good as it should be or can sell poorly and be good. I think most people here are talking about the quality not the sales.

[@TheMarine316]

@ loved the game so to me it wasn’t disappointing in the least so it doesn’t need a comeback as far as I’m concerned but it wouldn’t be in trouble even if it wasn’t spider-man, great critical & user reception & huge sales would’ve guaranteed another game.

[@oi7917]

@@TheMarine316 obviously people have a strong bias towards spider-man, so of course they’ll claim it to be a masterpiece when it’s far from that. if the developers and sony wanna keep their consistency with the fans, they’ll have to pull a miracle.

[@TheMarine316]

@@oi7917 even if there were some that found it disappointing I’d hardly call them getting back to a sequel that’s universally loved a miracle

[@AZITHEMLGPRO]

This look like this is in 3D In my quest three even though it's 2D.

[@dime1012]

Very grateful for you and your content Degenerate Jay…very nuanced commentary,

[@lviv2658]

Honestly, i don't care about series anymore. Insomniac chose the route of a story, that made me feel like they just don't want to make Peter Parker story anymore. They should just kill him or make him go retire. Otherwise it's just sad to see what they do to Peter character. Insomniac wants so bad Miles to be the main spider, and at this point they should do it. Anyway Miles and Peter are basically the same character in games. They just don't work together, just stealing each other screen time, so what's the point of having both of them in one game.

[@keithwhite394]

I like spiderman don't get me wrong. But it's time to use some more superheroes we had enough of him and batman .

[@biggiecheese726]

Arkham Knight stumbled plenty of times. I doubt a studio that has Sony down their neck, whose priority is NOT banking off Marvel’s flagship hero, and instead pushing live service slop, will do better than RockSteady did. There’s no game in between 2 and 3 made by a different studio either, it’s all riding on them to finish the franchise. Best case, Spiderman 3 takes some interesting steps forward with gameplay, worst case, it’s more of the same but toned down to avoid controversy

[@Nathan-jv7jw]

Let's just hope they listen to us this time but I'd like the following 1 No woke stuff 2 No Mj missions 3 Have an actual finished product 4 don't nerf Pete again 5 Don't cancel the dlc again

[@visionary1138]

Yeah basically removing all police from the game was a hilarious overreach from them.

[@christopherjones5827]

Exactly like I said. It is not looking good for Insomniac especially when that hack happened.

[@teelyttle2480]

I love all three Spiderman games so far… I would agree Spiderman 1 and Miles Morales I feel are better than Spiderman 2. I didn’t particularly like the end of the game and don’t care for the symbiotes taking over the city… That being said, they should do a second Miles game with him and Silk as the leads of the game. That game ends with them out of NY for whatever reason. Then Spiderman 3 picks up with Peter having to come out of retirement because of some threat that Norman Osborn is behind…

[@r4pstar343]

8:20 i think insomniac is gonna shift focus from Peter and miles for other spider ppl eventually like gwen and silk etc

[@BloodSportA2]

Really, even putting aside any of the political/"culture war" undercurrents, SM2's core problem was just trying to do too god damn much, which is usually more of an issue for third entries in a trilogy. Peter struggling to move on from May's death, Miles still wanting to come into his own as an equal instead of a student, Peter's revived relationship with Harry vs. his current one with Miles, Miles' conflicted feelings on Li, Kraven coming to town for a supervillain/hero hunt, the symbiote on top of that, PLUS all the side mission teases for even *more* stories down the line...it means very few of those plot threads have the time to develop that they actually need, because the story is stumbling as fast as it can just to get it all in before the credits roll. Third game desperately needs to trim the fat, which is gonna be tough when the second game is already leaving so many unresolved plot threads for it to clean up on top of doing a new story.