DELL G5 SE (4800H /+ 5600m) - Games Benchmarks + Thermals

[@Frencho9]

Kudos for all this work! The gaming laptop community is lucky to have a troubleshooter like you!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks mate, appreciate it !

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

@@OWNORDISOWN 0:39 - 0:51 excuse me but why am I seeing the Dell G5 SE panel showing off radio bands (pink and blue strips) on both side while you're playing the games? 😲

[@OWNORDISOWN]

@MrDrinkgreentea thanks !

[@OWNORDISOWN]

@@AwesomeBlackDude I think it must be the antiglare coating.

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

@@OWNORDISOWN so it's pink and blue strips of reflection coming from your walls?

[@steph_on_yt]

Hmm. Not sure if this is relevant to AMD chips but I think I have an explanation for why it runs cooler when connected to an external monitor. On some Nvidia laptops with iGPUs, Optimus is a feature that allows seamless switching between the iGPU and dGPU. A side effect of this however is that outputs from the dGPU have to pass through the iGPU before being outputted to the screen, reducing performance a little bit due to a small bottleneck. When connecting to external monitors though, on some laptops, this bypassed Optimus. This means that you have a direct link to the dGPU, and it shows with increased frame rates in some games. Again, I'm not sure but this may also apply to AMD laptops. I think that by bypassing Optimus, theres less stress on the iGPU because it is no longer used as a pass through for the dGPU output. This may be why temps are lower. I can't say for sure though, at this point I'm just speculating.

[@PremVijayVelMani]

Given that both CPU with iGPU and dGPU are from AMD, I expected they will bring something like advanced optimus mode, so that the output from dGPU directly goes to monitor for games. But we have to compare this external monitor behaviour to that of TUF A15 to get a better idea.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

It certainly sounds plausible!

[@warsquirt]

@@OWNORDISOWN I know for a long time your main laptop has been the 2019 Omen, in fact your review and constant comparisons to it on all your videos encouraged me to buy my own Omen. (2019, I7-9750h, gtx1660ti) But the battery life is never great, did you ever find out how to enable the Intel uhd630 integrated graphics? my hope is to enable it and save battery, because my laptop always wants to use the Gtx. thank you for your time.

[@mnrd888]

Nice to know that Dell addressed your issue immediately!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Ah, it wasn't Dell...it was AMD, but yes I am pleased 😀👍

[@Dhairya_Dj]

@@OWNORDISOWN Dell only seems to addressing user issues in their commercial advertisements.

[@Dhairya_Dj]

What a morning delight. Just came from Jarrod's Thermal testing & now yours. Cooling pads seems to lower the temperatures, do try using one. Also, comparing with your previous video, it looks like a completely different laptop thermally. Is it because of driver update ? Awaiting your Full review & GPU comparison. But, why such high temperature difference when connected to external monitor ? Looks good for docking

[@gustavoalmeida1579]

I guess the temperature difference when connected to external monitor is caused by the built in display leaking heat inside the laptop.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks . I've changed drivers on this laptop so many times, lol. I would agree, temps have come down on average. You still get quite large swings and often hitting 100 deg, depending on the game. Some games have the CPU clocked low , others high and when I do the comparison say against the Asus Tuf A15 this will be immediately noticeable I am sure. If the CPU approaches 4Ghz it gets very hot for sure. I still have some other games to add into the review so will test a cooling pad then. The external monitor completely threw me. I haven't mentioned it yet, but I do have issues with my speakers crackling or cutting out while gaming occasionally.

[@sloch6128]

@@OWNORDISOWN if you play on balanced mode but crack the fans all the way high up, do you get better thermals or is it similar to high performance mode in that?

[@Dhairya_Dj]

@@OWNORDISOWN that large swings & hitting 100° ( Other than G5's poor cooling solution & design ) is it because, those games are not well optimised or AMD needs to do some fine tuning on 4800H particularly ? As we've already saw that 7nm Zen 2 chips are power efficient 🤔. If it's solely due to OEMs poor design, something must be done stop this. OEMs surely know what they're selling & cheating the customers.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

@@sloch6128 in my first look I created a max fan profile and it did little, i will check again with this new driver.

[@ezas533]

107C on Rainbow Six, my god

[@ACE112ACE112]

yikes

[@tytlyf]

Which of the 3 temperatures read that? The middle temp should be CPU core.

[@UltraDXSASC]

Well, that 5600M is really toasty

[@theskywalker8416]

kinda weird, i thought AMD made their CPU max 95 and then it start throttling like a protection mechanic right ?

[@rahmanfais]

Can't wait your review about Omen 15 2020, ofc amd version

[@hisnameis28]

Thanks for the video! On the topic of free sync, is it that important? The Eluktronics RP series doesn't have free-sync, I never tried such displays so I don't know if matters or not. Comparing the Asus TUF A15 with its low response time to the Eluktronics PR series with their good response time but lack of free sync, which is better?

[@Shivartin]

I have watched quite a few reviews on both and I recommend Eluktronics PR series. Better display and also better cooling solution and better boost to GPU. If you do not play games competitively, you will not see enough difference with/without free sync to notice.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Well, truth be told, in my first look I did various tests to see if Freesync was working or not and I did the same here with it on and I could not see a difference, lol. You can actually activate Freesync using CRU, that is what I did before this new driver

[@cnseref1328]

I use 4600h version of G5 and recently bought a 2k monitor. With the external monitor in AC Odyssey, I get the exact same results between 1080p and 1440p! The cpu temperature is relatively a bit lower on 1080p and noticeably lower on 1440p. I play Witcher 3, Ghost Recon Breakpoint and some other games on 1440p with just a little change on graphic settings and with the same fps. But on AC Valhalla which utilizes gpu always at 99%, the performance drops significantly (SOTR will be probably the same). These weird results seem to be because of smartshift! Lower the cpu usage, higher the gpu usage in especially bad optimized games - for example, 1080p AC Odyssey utilizes around 70-80% gpu and 1440p utilizes above 90% in my case. Ok, some games have optimization issues but this laptop is weird... really weird! I will test it a little more but for almost a week, this is my overall performance with external monitor.

[@ekoy4461]

Omg i feels epic bad while i see those temps on my laptop.. All On my mind be like "Throttling issue, suffering fps shuttering, micro stutter.. Etc 1hour playing its ok ..but playing 2 hour and 3 hours? Are you ready?

[@bluiska1]

@OWNorDisown I have purchased the G5 15 SE and it's arriving tomorrow. I am really not sure about keeping it however after seeing these results. The only problem is, I got a good deal on it. After all the discounts I have bought the same config as yours (4800h, 5600M, 16GB, 512GB) for £1000 (GBP). The original price was £1150. I could get a similar discount amount at HP but the question is whether the HP Omen will come at a comparable price with a comparable config. I will have 14 days to return for free. Do you think it's worth returning it and waiting a bit more for the Omen reviews or is the £1000 price tag too good so I should keep this G5 heater? Thanks for your thoughts.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Hi Greg, I think you might as well see if you like it. As you say you can return it easily. I think the smartshift will mature as will drivers so I do believe it will get better. I do like how easy it is to activate the high performance mode and the screen is decent. I do have the Omen coming in but dont know when it will arrive.

[@bluiska1]

Thanks for your reply!

[@brandonbarrick3390]

Thanks for testing Valorant. I knew it would run well, just wanted to see the FPs before I potentially buy this

[@OWNORDISOWN]

You are welcome Brandon !

[@FaTaLiTy1515]

Nice Video, Do you suggest using Ryzen Controller for keeping the CPU Temps. under 90c?

[@fefeyo99]

Dell g5 se vs asus g14 please!!

[@kill4276]

Even I would love to see that comparison but I am completely sold on g14

[@OWNORDISOWN]

@@kill4276 yeah, I much prefer the G14.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Will do !

[@kill4276]

@@OWNORDISOWN sir, I've heard that g14 overheats will it affect long time usage and issues? Thanks

[@tylerhall6867]

I absolutely love my g14. I have the 4900, 2060 version and it is fantastic. Minor optimization helps, found full tutorials on Reddit for that.

[@dasmysteryman12]

Thanks for the update! I'm discerning between this or the upcoming HP Omen 15 2020 with the RTX 2060 coming out in July. Love your videos!

[@papuMatt]

You should also check de asus tuf A15 or A17. It's a good laptop too

[@jatinsync3820]

RTX version is coupled with intel not amd

[@rayszadude2940]

@@papuMatt You can check Hardware Unbox for Asus Tuf A15. There are thermal issue and screen issue

[@papuMatt]

RAYSZAdude I recommend it bc its thermals are "better" than the G5 he expect to buy but the performance is very well. The 17" model has better cooling and cheaper than this G5. xoticpc.com/products/asus-tuf-tuf706iu-as76

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks! Stay tuned as I will be getting the Omen 15. Personally I think that is the one to get.

[@bluiska1]

Could you be reading the wrong temperatures? I was reading somewhere that there is some confusion over this.

[@pashafaith3639]

Thanks for the update! Awesome review! I guess we still don't know what happened to the advertised bigger 68wh battery?!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks ! Nope, all my discussions were with AMD directly. I am glad that it led to them updating the driver to get Freesync working.

[@Stevenyc69]

It’s an option on the highest configuration right now only.

[@joaquinnavarro4]

Nice. Now that they fixed the freesync thing they could focus on the thermal issues, as it gets hotter than the Asus Tuf a15. Maybe when the screen is open the lower part partially blocks the air vents, causing the temps to increase. At least thats my theory. Thanks Steve for the updates!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks for watching mate !

[@gede1013]

Thanks for the honest review . You are the best . many youtubers don't show us the temperature problems

[@gismo3564]

This highly depends on the chip in question. Silicon chip itself won't break until roughly 150C. However if you read the temperature just on the outside of the chip, the inner chip can easily be 40-50C hotter at a small hotspot. Therefore you have to be conservative. One of the reasons they can push temperatures higher, is because they have more temperature sensors ingrained in a net within the chips (think they mentioned this at CES). This means more precise readings and therefore they can push it higher. That being said, lower temperature is always better, but a reading of 100 on one chip, might be the same temperature as a reading of 75 on another chip. Just to find and ind article explaining it on Navi launch. Now I personally wouldn't like 110C but I get why they are being pushed closer. www.pcgamer.com/fretting-over-high-gpu-temps-amd-says-110c-is-expected-and-within-spec-on-navi/

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I appreciate that!

[@williamblake7386]

looking forward to the next part

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks William !

[@luiscardenas4467]

Hi i have a problem with this laptop, in many games my fps only gets 40 fps and the usage of the gpu is 30% or 40% with msi afterburner, temperture is ok 65° gpu and cpu, and the laptop is connected to its charger, why my laptop is not using all gpu capacity? Please help

[@OWNORDISOWN]

How many sticks of RAM do you have? Probably one. Buy another stick or a dual channel set and you will see a difference.

[@harshitrajput9254]

I have read so many review on Dell website that this laptop keep crashing after 5 min while playing any game please help as I also want to buy this laptop 😞

[@mohsenkheyrabadi4458]

hello! may i ask you what program you use for showing stats on display? i like to test my Zephyrus G15 and specially see how much power it consumes during game! thanks!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

To show the power you need to link afterburner to hwinfo64 as per my video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2TMZ5iAaZZneZY

[@mohsenkheyrabadi4458]

@@OWNORDISOWN Thank you so much!

[@YuvrajSingh-rs9fd]

100+ temps are too much.how much are considered bad for cpu? In general

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Yes, I think it is too high

[@deksroning125]

this is a result of inadequate cooling that DELL put inside. Neither the GPU or CPU can perform to their fullest because of this oversight. Anyway, 100+ degrees C is unacceptable. Temperatures in laptops shouldn't really exceed 75-80 degrees Celsius on both CPU and GPU when they are stressed to the maximum at the same time. OEM's don't install proper cooling capacity into laptops.

[@aswapy]

Hi Stephen, Might I ask how you managed to get Freesync to work? After numerous attempts I was told by the tech team at Dell that none of the models currently shipping comes equipped with a freesync panel. They'll come into play during August with as a 120hz panel. When I asked how others online have managed it since the new driver update, they replied that those are either incorrect information or managed with an external monitor. Would appreciate how you got yours to work. Cheers

[@OWNORDISOWN]

So the driver Iinked does not give you Freesync? If that is the case there is another way. Install custom resolution utility, at the bottom there are additions, click add, then add again and select Freesync. You then need to restart the driver. Go to where you downloaded CRU and you will see restart64.exe, i think that is what its called. Your screen will flash and you will have Freesync.

[@aswapy]

@@OWNORDISOWN Many thanks. 5 minutes with you was more helpful than days of back and forth with dell. I managed to enable freesync with your help.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

@@aswapy great news ! Glad I was able to help 😀

[@shuflie]

In your full review can you test the USB-C connection, there seems to be some debate if this is purely for display port pass through, or if there is a working USB 3.1 gen 2 port there too. I can understand there being no thunderbolt 3 and I'm not even that annoyed it isn't there, but I'd really like the option to connect my oculus quest up with out going through the only USB3 type A port there is.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

So just determine if it can handle data and video?

[@shuflie]

@@OWNORDISOWN Yes, that would be great.

[@dragonalfaata]

So, people say that on this laptop the type C only works as a display port and you can't use it as a literal usb for example accessing contents of a usb C flash drive?

[@shuflie]

@@dragonalfaata been mentioned in at least one review, but I don't know if they actually tested it or went from the product description where it says USB-C Display port only. Trouble is in other parts of the product spec it just says USB-C which is where the confusion comes in.

[@shuflie]

Just got mine yesterday so now know there’s nothing wrong with the USB-C port, data works fine with it. I think it may have been the hot hardware written review that threw me, they had trouble with a USB-C connected hard drive and needed to switch to a USB-A cable. Must have been a faulty unit as I was able to get a data connection with my phone no problem.

[@Ezi0AuditoreDiFirenz]

The temperatures data shown during the game testing refers to the tempature of the CPU or the GPU?

[@puneetsinghkarki4731]

was there any crashing or blue screening during the gameplay ? because like so any of the owners have faced this problem!!

[@xenogamerx]

downloaded the new driver in your link, installed it, restarted my computer and it still wont let me enable it, I don't know what im doing wrong?

[@mytmanu]

Heyy is there a way i can contact you.... Even i have the g15 se... I have some doubts

[@mytmanu]

Even i can't enable the free sync

[@edj3526]

I have issues with exactly same laptop when connecting tv through hdmi. Watching netflix or disney plus crashes drivers at random , disconnects 2nd display(my tv). In adrenaline 2nd display disappear as option and won't reappear until restarted laptop, or laptop totally crashes where you can see just black screen and requires to be powered down. Reinstalled drivers, changed hdmi cables, was in touch with support. Anyone else experiencing this issue (external display connected through hdmi crashes video drivers/laptop)? Any help much appreciated.

[@febrianadji5758]

So where's Tdie sensor actually is? It's giving quite large temp difference between Tdie and CPU core at some places

[@OWNORDISOWN]

This might help www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/cpu-temp-sensors-explanation.5597/

[@BadManOhBadMan]

What are you using for external monitor? And also I saw someone else do a video that showed temp drop using a stand/external cooling pads. In your tests, is the laptop on the table flat? Or on a stand? Thnx for the vids btw 👍🏻

[@solitude5501]

Thanks for all the hard work put into these videos! For some reason, I am increasingly underwhelmed by the 7nm tech.. Is it the laptop engineering? or are we stuck with 90C CPUs forever?

[@Rhino123freak]

It's definitely the laptop engineering. Don't forget that temperatures are dependent on wattage. These are still 45 watt chips so they need to be cooled as such. Manufacturers just don't go that extra mile to ensure the laptop runs cooler.

[@gismo3564]

One thing to keep in mind, is that the smaller the chip is the hardest it is to cool. Provided the power is the same. This is due to, having much less surface area to actually transfer the heat. A way to possibly combat this in the future is to have a tight seal from chip to heatspreader and having a small amount on none conducting oil to spread out the heat even further. Another way, is to "simply" design a much wider architecture resulting in higher IPC and using up more space on the chip. This however would always be a cost/benefit kind of thing, as manufacturers want to create as small chips as possible, to improve yield per wafer.

[@eniwanogho1229]

I myself am seriously disappointed 😞 I expected better wat happened to 70-75 C being d goto spot🤦🏾‍♂️

[@gismo3564]

@@eniwanogho1229 they have better ways of measuring the temperature now (mesh trough the chip) this allows for them to target a higher temperature. Silicon limit is roughly 150C. But with older chips, the temperature was measured on the outer of the chip and therefore they had to leave more headroom.

[@eniwanogho1229]

@@gismo3564 🤔so basically u are saying 100 is like the new 70 and 150 is the new 100 thermal limit?.... What about the surrounding onboard components? How will they fair or simply put nothing has really change except that we are now getting more detailed reading of chip temperatures?

[@RemixKey]

You only installed the Amd software version you showed and freesync was working afterwards? Not working on my end for now

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I was going to show how to use CRU to do it but this driver fixed it for me. Perhaps I should do a video on it. Download custom resolution utility and open it up. At the bottom there is an add button for extensions, click on that and then add again. Click on Freesync then go to where you downloaded the file and double click the restart64.exe to restart the driver. The screen will flash and then you will have Freesync

[@俞奕奇-f1e]

Thanks @OWNorDisown for the awesome video! I wonder whether you could help me out with FreeSync issue. I did install the special drive for this machine, but still cannot turn on the technology. Did you update Dell bios? What version of Windows 10 do you use? Did you install the 20.5.1 Optional driver as well? Thanks!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Hi there ! Yes, I did update the BIOS, audio driver, Alienware control center. I do have a work around for Freesync. I actually filmed it to show here but the official driver seemed to solve it. I will include it in my review. Download and extract custom resolution utility. At the bottom , for extensions, click on add and then add again. Click on Freesync. Then go to the extracted folder and double click restart64.exe to restart the driver , the screen will flash and then you will have Freesync 😀👍

[@俞奕奇-f1e]

@@OWNORDISOWN Thanks a lot! Yes, CRU method did solve the problem. I still have two follow-up questions: 1. I set FreeSync range 9hz-144hz. Is it ideal? 2. Would you verify that with the Dell special driver installed, graphic card driver version is 20.10.18 etc. and Radeon software version is 2020.0513.etc. Thank you in advance!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

@@俞奕奇-f1e Glad it worked ! Yes my driver and software versions are the same as yours. I put my range as 48 to 144 hz, only because that is what it was on the A15 and the G15

[@俞奕奇-f1e]

@@OWNORDISOWN Cool thanks again! Can't wait to watch your full review on it))

[@俞奕奇-f1e]

​@@OWNORDISOWN Hi! Good news! I confirm that Freesync now can be enabled directly through Radeon Software after following Windows Notification's instruction to install the AMD G5 SE special driver from the AMD website. After the installation, the next notification would tell you that Freesync is enabled for you. The magic just happened to me today lol

[@OrenOct]

Really love your videos! Keep up the awesome work.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks a ton!

[@attilaalitta2870]

Are the temperatures not too high despite the amd? Can the game be played for 3-4 hours? I think it's not worth taking.

[@mattjimbobowen]

How were you finding the touch temperature of the keys? I've read that the surface temperature can get up to 55C?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

The laptop definitely gets warm, especially underneath. Just browsing the internet it was uncomfortable. I will be doing a thermal image test for the review

[@mattjimbobowen]

@@OWNORDISOWN thanks, keep up the good work, learning a lot from your videos!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

@@mattjimbobowen thanks, appreciate it !

[@yusufmujeeb9693]

Nice review, keep it up . Was waiting for the omen x 2s . Do you by any chance know if that laptop will be out by July or should just go for the new omen 15 .

[@papuMatt]

Hi Steven, i would like to ask you something not related with this video. I have a HP Omen 15 and accidentally drop some tea on keyboard and damage the motherboard, HDD and battery (according to HP summary report) here's the question: do you think I should pay the repair process with HP ($700 aprox) or look for another place to repair? This is bc last month I sent my unit for a problem with the HDD and it happened again 3 weeks after so now I don't trust in HP for technical solutions. 😞 Also, would like to know if I can do a trade in with the laptop so I can buy another one brand new (Idk if Microcenter do that) I need an advise, hope you can help me with it. Greetings from Ecuador.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Hi Matthew, That is a shame. If the laptop doesn't even post, ie you cannot get into the BIOS, then the motherboard must be fried (can you rule out the RAM by swapping the RAM from another system ?) Its more likely that the motherboard is fried than the battery or hard drive. If you can get into the BIOS then perhaps it is the hard drive and that is a super easy fix. If the motherboard is bad that can be expensive. You might be able to salvage some money back on ebay for parts as people always want replacement panels, RAM etc

[@papuMatt]

OWNorDisown thank you for the advise. I would check that for the moment.

[@taufikajienugraha2207]

Bro review HP omen 2020 ryzen 7 4800h + rtx 2060, i'm waiting to make this review thanks 👍

[@gilangperwira241]

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[@taufikajienugraha2207]

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[@gilangperwira241]

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[@karolemmanuelsalgadocabrer7425]

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[@OWNORDISOWN]

¡Gracias!

[@deksroning125]

Dell needs to work on the cooling assembly in this unit. They have to give it more powerful cooling because its getting too hot right now (especially if you want to use the thing for content creation). Looking on the inside of the laptop, DELL certainly put in a bit of an anemic cooling into it (2 shared pipes for both the CPU and GPU - are they insane?). Both 5600m and 4800H are efficient... its DELL that messed up the cooling (sadly). Since DELL said they will be replacing the screen display with 120Hz version this summer, it would be an opportunity to install higher capacity cooling into the thing too. Obviously both the CPU and GPU are not performing as they should due to cooling assembly limitations.

[@shuflie]

Smart shift won't work unless the cooling solutions are shared, it is because they share the same pipework that reducing power on one component allows the other to boost higher. The heatsinks and fans may need to improve, but they will still share pipework, maybe with an extra pipe. None of this will appear in a 120Hz panel refresh though, that will just slot in to replace the current 60Hz option. Retooling for better cooling isn't something that is likely to happen during the life of a model, they would open themselves up to claims that the early models weren't fit for purpose, expect to see bios or driver updates to limit boost instead.

[@deksroning125]

@@shuflie smartshift doesn't depend on the cooling assembly at all. It wasn't described like that and would be quite mad if it did. The cooling assembly only has the fans connected to the mobo for power. The cooling assembly itself (meaning the pipes) are basically inert pieces of copper that only shuffle the heat away. Smartshift was described It only works if the Renoir Apu detects a dedicated gpu from AMD. The cooling has nothing to do with smartshift (nothing was mentioned about it)... It only dynamically shifts power between the cpu and gpu... That's it. As for Dell not reworking the cooling... Well to be fair the early units are not fit for purpose and consumers can claim this by showing Dell the evidence the laptop is reaching too high temperatures and that neither the CPU or GPU are able to reach their maximums like they should (the GPU cannot even draw the power it needs to perform as it should and the cpu is reaching over 100 degrees Celsius. It wouldn't be the first time for a company to recall a product for refitting or give consumers a chance to send the laptops back for refitting just because an OEM messed up the cooling.

[@shuflie]

@@deksroning125 Smart shift depends on having a shared cooling system to allow one component have more thermal overhead by reducing the power (and therefore heat output) of the other. Have a look around the 1 hour 4 minute mark of kzbin.info/www/bejne/epbXdZiHjMlsf68 where someone asked Frank about the ability to use it on an all AMD desktop. The reason it isn't possible there is because there is no shared thermal solution.

[@wonderfullifemyqueenandmye4259]

Do you have review about asus tuf a15, thermals and games? I am considering to buy one but having doubts because of the thermals🙏

[@ethfowler]

Would you recommend the MSI GL65 Leopard? I'm looking at that system and the Dell G5 15 SE atm

[@tytlyf]

The Dell is going to be more powerful due to Smartshift.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

The 8 cores on the G5 SE will be more futureproof. Smartshift is still a work in progress as I see quite a variation in games but I am sure as AMD keeps developing the drivers it will improve. I have an issue with my speakers, occasionally cutting out and crackling in games.

[@tytlyf]

@@OWNORDISOWN Ya, looking forward to the next one and as always, more knowledge and info!

[@TheJirator]

Hi Steve, cannot wait for the GPU comparison. Could you also have a close look at the freesync? You know if it actually does something or if the change is barely noticeable.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Will do :)

[@b0ltun23]

Is it possible to disable smartshift and use only RX5600m? I mean is RX5600m connected directly to display and HDMI or it`s connected to integrated graphics bus, like in MSI Alpha laptops? Might be settings in BIOS

[@OWNORDISOWN]

The HDMI is connected to the 5600m. I disable the vega GPU it works fine, I disable the 5600m, no signal. I don't know how to disable Smartshift. I did ask AMD and they did not answer.

[@abhishekbanerjee9425]

Wanted to clarify, I'm hardly getting over 39 fps in AC Odyssey with the in built benchmark settings. I have a 4600H model. Would the CPU matter so much? I have gaming mode on and best performance set

[@kaibaing4288]

Probably thermal throttling,keep a check on the temps Thermals is often ignored in gaming laptops.

[@terrybear2k]

how did u get afterburner to detect 4800h temperature? i can't seem to get the sensors working on this cpu

[@OWNORDISOWN]

You have to link it to HWinfo64. I did a video showing how to do that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2TMZ5iAaZZneZY

[@terrybear2k]

Thx alot, that'll be realllly helpful

[@scottparsons01]

Hi, Do you have any information on what wattage 2060 and 2070maxq dell are using in their Intel g5 15 2020 variants and would you consider doing a head to head with them?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

In the Dell G7 I reviewed a while ago the 2070 MQ went upto 84w. I don't know if they include the new 115w 2060 now, I am testing the Helios 300 and that only goes upto 90w. I am unlikely to buy another one at this time

[@KavinduMW]

I haven't seen any reviews about MSI GL65 leopard in youtube can u do one I have seen it for 1400$ in amazon

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I have already quite a full pipeline of laptops to test

[@angeldelamuertex497]

Would you rather go for Dell G5 rx5600m or Asus Tuf a15 rtx 2060? Have to buy a new laptop for games (GTA VI) and some CPU heavy software.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I would go with the TUFA15 at the moment. I still have to do my CPU benchmarks but the G5 definitely runs hotter at the moment - I expect this to get better as the Smartshift develops per game, lowering the CPU clock. I have a crackling issue with my speakers too. Battery life on the 51wh is 4 hrs 20 mins, so the TUF A15 90wh will get you much more. The screen on the Dell is better though but for $300+ cheaper I think the TUF is better value.

[@angeldelamuertex497]

@@OWNORDISOWN Thank you so much

[@dhenrybrittany4118]

@@OWNORDISOWN how good is the laptop now

[@goodguy7883]

Please do a review on hp omen 15 (2020)

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Will do :)

[@fleurdewin7958]

Hi, Can you test games like League of Legends and Dota2 using the integrated graphics in 1080p ? I'm curious to know how good is the integrated graphics as I might not need a discrete GPU with this AMD APU.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

sorry, I don't have the time to learn those games. I wish I did, but I work full time, have a family and even this video took over 10 hours to do and I new how to play the games. I downloaded Dota 2 and there is over a hundred characters. I installed a benchmark script but couldn't get it to work. I read performance greatly depends on how much action is going on and I don't have to the time to get to that stage.

[@tytlyf]

Good review. So the 3 different temperatures listed are the following? CPU SOC, CPU core, GPU ? (in that order)

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks, appreciate it. Correct, and I showed you what AMD told me, I was measuring the temperatures correctly all along. It was just that the power was being combined.

[@tytlyf]

@@OWNORDISOWN I don't see where they confirmed that. I see they stated whatever temperatures you mentioned were within spec. The 3 temps shown in video are SOC, CPU, GPU? The first video was reporting the hottest temp as the CPU temp. When it was the SOC temp.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

tytlyf That’s only because I changed the name in HWinfo so people could clearly see what it was. That sensor was the T Control censor. I couldn’t show you the whole email trail, I told them the sensors I was using and they said those temperatures were correct. Does this address all your concerns ?

[@tytlyf]

@@OWNORDISOWN They confirmed the CPU temp is consistently hotter than the SOC temp? You don't have to reply back, I'm just seeing so many reviews reporting different things. Give AMD and/or Dell another month or so to roll out new firmware to get some consistency. Here's an example. 4600H and it's barely breaking 75c. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2bEfZmJocmCpdk

[@OWNORDISOWN]

tytlyf What’s interesting in that video is the 4600h is holding 4000 MHz. If my 4800h did that it would be at 100 degrees or higher. I have had one comment say that his 4600h Dell G5 runs like this and I have had a comment with my configuration run just like mine and he was thinking about returning it. I am sure as Smartshift matures things will improve. I am not sure what you your question is about AMD saying that the cpu temp is hotter than the core temp. I have said this before, the T control sensor is the correct sensor to measure Ryan thermals. To make things simple for my viewers, I went into HWinfo and changed the name of that sensor to CPU temp. You then complained so in my last video I reverted to the original name and added the core temp so you can see the difference. I explained all the sensors I was measuring to AMD and they agreed that the temperatures they were repoRting were accurate and within specification of the system. I don’t want to dwell on this issue anymore, I am moving on to the CPU tests then a brief summation review of the laptop.

[@JoeMaranophotography]

With my Intel version I have power levels of balanced and performance and also for thermal balanced and performance. Do you think you need to turn both up when gaming?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I would probably stick with balanced because the extra 3 fps I got in performance wasn't worth the extra heat

[@RohanKumar-yj7sz]

Any idea when it's coming to international markets, namely india.

[@sumitchaudhary343]

Dont buy gaming laptops in India they are overpriced. Build desktop instead

[@PremVijayVelMani]

I think it is very unlikely to come to India now. MSI Bravo is likely the only all AMD laptop that can come to India with latest Ryzen 4000.

[@RohanKumar-yj7sz]

Building a desktop isn't feasible for me. Maybe I'll have to just buy a last year laptop.

[@ficopoki164]

What are the differences between the 2 cpu temp readings?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

The tCTL sensor is derived from the junction (Tj) temperature-the interface point between the die and heatspreader, the CPU core is probably an average of all 8 cores. By all accounts Ryzen processors should use the tCTL temperature. I listed both because I was getting grief from some folks about it running so hot and they said I was using the wrong sensor when there is only two to use in the first place.

[@ficopoki164]

@@OWNORDISOWN thank you for reply

[@ficopoki164]

@@OWNORDISOWN could you also try some different chargers to power G5 se. I bought it and the chargers is very big and chunky. I believe you have a lot of laptop chargers around. Could you try if some of them can work on G5 se.

[@sripalreddy9233]

I want to buy a new laptop. Should I buy this dell g5 SE amd ryzen 5 hexacore ? My main concern is about heating issue.I am very scared of it. What should I buy then ? Or Is this ok ?

[@anythingyouwant8994]

Brother I am getting asus tuf with ryzen 5 1660 ti and dell g5 15 se at same price but I heard 5600m will beat 1660 ti please tell me what to choose brother please?

[@anirudhmallikarjun7067]

Could the internal gpu of the apu be heating up while displaying the frames rendered by the rx 5600m. Hence the higer temps while using the laptop display.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

It sounds a plausible explanation for sure

[@nateriver6944]

which one would you recommend between this, msi g66 stealth, or max-15. Just need the best option around 1200-1500 $

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Max 15

[@sboy85]

Since water boils at 100 degrees... can we boil water on this laptop while gaming?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Perhaps make a cup of tea :)

[@osamamaddani]

hello 👋, will you please do the new G5 5500 with i7 10750H and gtx1660ti ? It has very similar specs and price, so that we know which one performs better🙂

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I dont think I will be buying another one to review

[@ollieh2587]

Mmm so the heating issues is normal? I ready somewhere saying cpu and gpu should keep temperature under 85

[@tytlyf]

I see 3 temperatures listed. And the 1st temp is the hottest. I'd think that's the SOCket.

[@johnm91326]

is 115 W total a little low for a gaming laptop? I know ryzen is pretty efficient but I've seen some laptops with a GPU that can draw almost that much power alone.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Frank Azor says that the 5600m is a 90w to 100w GPU but its obviously using less here as the 4800H uses about 35w in games. Perhaps they cut it down a bit to help with thermals, because lets face it, unless that CPU clock goes down it runs hot.

[@deksroning125]

@@OWNORDISOWN Dell should have installed better cooling which was appropriate for 4800H and 5600M power requirements when running at maximum, and tweaked the voltages for both the CPU and GPU as-well, instead of limiting the power and sacrificing performance. This is entirely on DELL, not AMD.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

@@deksroning125 I agree, I never said it was.

[@rewardedwithemaan646]

If you had to choose between razor 15 or mech g3 15, which one would you choose and why? :)

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Mech 15 G3. Two m.2 slots, SD Card reader, higher performance due to more watts in PL1 and eluktroboost pushing more performance to the GPU. Cheaper for the performance you get. Support - Razer has sketchy support Here is my review on the Mech 15 G3 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHW8qWamnbWmhLs

[@rewardedwithemaan646]

@@OWNORDISOWN Beautiful, thanks! I will order my Mech 15 g3, i wonder how long i will have to wait until i order so i dont have a problematic trackpad?

[@rewardedwithemaan646]

OWNorDisown i want to add a monitor and a dock, what is my best two options?

[@davider1776]

What do you suggest for a student guy? Dell xps 15 7590, or asus tuf a15? I need a big battery life and performance, for few editing, Netflix and some game

[@maidenlessnerdz5558]

Tuf

[@A1ma23]

I had to do a fast decision there were only 3 of these left and I bought it, guess is a pretty good decision

[@zdelivery7573]

Whats wrong w 2020 gaming laptops? Cpus reach 100's C & gpus all above 75C ???? What am i missing abt it?

[@gismo3564]

Better readings results in being able to push it higher. Despite the readings being higher, it might actually not be hotter than a chip that reads 75C. This would have a bigger difference in read temperature and actual temperature. (If this is an old chip with only external temperature measure) In zen2 and Navi, there is a mesh of temperature sensors which should provide much more precise readings than earlier chips. And therefore they can push it easily to 100C (in readings) without damaging the chip. Silicon chips, are usually rated at a max temperature of 150C before deteriorating. And with better readings you can push it that much further and not fear for hotspots going above that.

[@deksroning125]

@Setzer K Actually no. Both AMD and NV mobile GPU's are very efficient (along with CPU's - especially those from AMD). Problem lies in OEM's inability to give laptops like these appropriate cooling. In short, DELL installed too weak cooling. That's why the temperatures are bad, and this in turn prevents both the CPU/GPU from reaching their full potentials.

[@risaadyatmika7971]

Waiting for intel version of this laptop and i hope they'll use the same chasis and internal so we can compare them well.

[@agps4418]

I think comparison would be redundant since the price presumably gonna be very different.

[@mjaminian]

Is there a decent all AMD Ryzen Radeon gaming laptop on the horizon (proper cooling, good display, freesync support) ?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

There is the Clevo 15" with a desktop CPU and an RTX 2070. Fan goes to like 63db though and battery lasts like an hour

[@edwlimjh1854]

How does using external monitor actually lower the thermal?

[@gismo3564]

Somebody earlier in the comments had a good theory. In short, the internal monitor uses the Vega chip in order to put out the display and therefore the graphics chip is not completely turned off. While on external the display is solely handled by the 5600m GPU.

[@fadhilrinaldy3343]

This or Tuf A15 ??

[@joshuacortez1564]

How do you optimize it's to get best performance?

[@joshuacortez1564]

Can you give me instructions because I'm trying to play this game called Rust and I get 30fps or less rn

[@Gothguitarist]

Power settings ​@@joshuacortez1564

[@Rhino123freak]

Overall you'd recommend G14/15 over this right?

[@maraj49]

Why is nobody talking about the bravo 15?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I should be getting one in soon...

[@maraj49]

@@OWNORDISOWN thanks for the reply I look forward to that

[@Rajanshmamoria]

Can you start adding dota 2 too? Or maybe just comment the results just for this laptop?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I installed it but honestly I do not have the time to learn that game. I tried running a benchmark script and it didn't work so I moved on.

[@Rajanshmamoria]

@@OWNORDISOWN oh haha okay. That game sure takes time to learn :p. Thank you for your effort

[@hypersonic6649]

Hi, what will be the best gaming laptop for under $1300?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I'm thinking the Asus TUF A15 or A17

[@hypersonic6649]

@@OWNORDISOWN thanks

[@smashandburnyt6938]

Finally, an ALL AMD LAPTOP

[@tytlyf]

This is the most powerful and advanced AMD laptop on the market.

[@deksroning125]

@@tytlyf Which is unfortunately not allowing the CPU or the GPU to reach their maximum potential because DELL gave the unit poor cooling.

[@juliorosa2846]

As always a very nice video keep it up.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks Julio! Glad you liked it and thanks for stopping by again :)

[@juliorosa2846]

@@OWNORDISOWN Thanks I'm your a fan of your work.

[@HassanAhmed-fz4jr]

What laptops would you suggest me to buy I have 1100$ For gaming and video editing

[@HassanAhmed-fz4jr]

And what is the price are you expecting for the omen 15 2020 AMD model

[@luluw9699]

Acer Predator Helios 300 2019 model I chosed this because of its screen color gamut which is good for video editing Or if you want AMDs wait a month to see around if new laptops come with good screen

[@HassanAhmed-fz4jr]

@Setzer K which model

[@bradmorri]

if you run hwinfo64, you can redirect various sensor readings into the afterburner OSD. might be useful to include the power draw Wattages for both CPU and GPU on screen.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

That is what I did Brad

[@bradmorri]

@@OWNORDISOWN just noticed in the first screen cap there were wattages. not inthe game benchmarkes though. with the section that does have teh wattages I doubt though, that that a 45W mobile CPU would be pulling 105W. That may be the total power consumption of the CPU/GPU together. Is the 5600m is a 65W part?

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

Somebody in the tech department needs to start recommending which type of cooling pad we should purchase with this laptop. 😲

[@JISD27]

Comparisons please

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Will do. I have all the data 😀👍

[@NicholasJeffery]

Excellent information!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks Nicholas, appreciate it !

[@elaminemenni672]

Don't you think that thermals are bad ? Hitting 100C and playing for extended periods would shorten the life span of the chips and maybe in the future it will start to turn itself off to avoid overheating like some old laptops ? Good review 👍🏻

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks ! Yes, I do think 100 Deg C is bad. It definitely has improved a bit since I first ran it, so the drivers do seem to be doing a better job - probably with Smartshift lowering the CPU clock but it still needs work as some games are crazy hot and I get a lot of variations..

[@deksroning125]

​@@OWNORDISOWN Perhaps you could reach out to DELL and tell them this. AMD supplied DELL with specs for both the 4800H and 5600M. Dell knows that installing just enough cooling for base clocks is not enough and will affect performance for the worse. They need to replace the cooling in this unit and beef it up so it can actually keep both the CPU and GPU at 75-80 degrees Celsius when both are stressed to the maximum. Its not impossible, and I think for the most part, DELL could add another 1 or 2 cooling pipes to the assemly, or, separate the cooling pipes so that CPU and GPU don't share the cooling, and each should have at least 3 cooling pipes with better fans.

[@TabalugaDragon]

wow, the difference between internal and external monitor is insane!!! thanks for the video as always, G5 is such a hot mess... Jarrod even tried turning off the Turbo core and the CPU STILL reached 100 degrees in games... uggh.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks! Glad I am not the only one then. I took some heat (pun intended) on my first look video but it is what it is. I was shocked when I hooked up my capture card on R6S because n the laptop it was sitting close to 100 and then it went to the mid 70s. I rang Bob straight away to see if knew why but he was equally as puzzled.

[@knotme5349]

Finally the thermals are okay after latest update and Ryzen controller.

[@Gothguitarist]

Yeah limit it to 85c

[@knotme5349]

@@Gothguitarist no need bro. Just repaste and go wide

[@Gothguitarist]

@knotme5349 yeah dell sucks at thermal paste haha thanks bro

[@Gothguitarist]

@@knotme5349 what's your temps with boost on? Max temp?

[@knotme5349]

@@Gothguitarist I use nbfc and max temps is around 75°

[@ACE112ACE112]

Why does external monitor give you better fps?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

I know on Intel/Nvidia system you get a slight boost in some games because its not having to deal with the iGPU, its piped directly via the dGPU. I relloked at the forte, Assassins Creed it seemed to vary, SWBF 2 seemed to favour the laptop screen a bit but R6S was a huge difference in favour of the external monitor. The laptop screen one seemed to be under performing a lot and I don't know why.

[@TallyHoTech]

Woof. Great video

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Glad you enjoyed it mate !

[@hawkarKurdish-z7t]

thanks for this informative video.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks for watching 😀👍

[@MrHayada]

Haven't watched her but I know this will be good haha

[@suryarahardian3141]

Great video as always, if you want to make gpu comparation, please add GTX 1650 ti on it.. Thanks..

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Thanks, will do as soon as I get one :)

[@heroofharo]

Mux switch? Can amd even have a mux switch? Strange that the external display does so much better.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Interesting point. I would like to see one first sure

[@venom-en4di]

Which one is good 5600M or RTX 2060?

[@somemore9784]

About the same.

[@warrencoulis4958]

If i recall 2060 is like, 10-15 fpsish higher in most games compared to 5600m. You could say that the 5600m is a 1660ti equivalent

[@RaiPalk78]

They are the same, 5600M may beat it 2060 some occasions. The 5600M beats all 1660 TIs by at least 5-10%

[@deksroning125]

@@warrencoulis4958 5600M should be equal or more powerful than RTX 2060 mobile. Problem is that DELL gave this unit inadequate cooling, resulting in the GPU (and CPU) underperforming as a result. 5600M has identical hw to its desktop counterpart with only difference being in slightly lower frequencies on the core and memory... it should still have at least 90% of performance compared to the desktop version though.

[@HelloWorld-fg2nm]

Good lord those cpu temps... If one games on this regularly for a few years how long until it dies? Two years? 100 C + is insane.

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Yes, it is rather toasty

[@ifingmutate]

So should i own or disown?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

For me its a Disown

[@madararinneganuchiha]

Is this gpu equivalent of rtx 2060?

[@OWNORDISOWN]

More like a 1660Ti, even perhaps a bit slower

[@deksroning125]

@@OWNORDISOWN Bear in mind that the performance of 5600M is heavily affected by the lack of proper cooling in this unit. So, technically, with proper cooling, 5600M is likely equivalent to 2060.

[@nitin8124]

Hi sir , how are you ? This video content is great , came to know how this laptop performs sir..... If possible please add fifa20 in upcoming game testings......

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Hi Nitin ! Hope you are doing well. Glad you liked my video :) I do have Fifa 18, if I see it on sale I could snap it up.

[@nitin8124]

@@OWNORDISOWN Okk Sir ,Thanks Its so nice of you sir ........

[@shuflie]

@@OWNORDISOWN Maybe when people want to see specific games in a review they'd be nice enough to send you a steam key at the same time.

[@carnageking8544]

As soon as possible plz review HP omen 15 2020 AMD versions!!!!

[@OWNORDISOWN]

Will do !

[@Rhino123freak]

@@carnageking8544 the laptop isn't even available to purchase yet, calm down. He isn't a wizard.

[@carnageking8544]

@@Rhino123freak I know that bro but I just wanted to say review it as soon as possible