Dell Workers Don't Want The Office

In this video I discuss Dells new work from home policy and the response that almost half of their employees have had to it.
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[@TheTundraTerror]

It's because suddenly a bunch of middle managers have a harder time justifying their inflated salaries and pointless positions.

[@bigsyrup8567]

Middle managers are literally subhuman.

[@bubbleboy821]

This is the real reason

[@Gandhi_Physique]

@@bigsyrup8567 They are still people, not sure why you hate them so much. What is wrong with someone being a department manager?

[@will16320]

With a side order of expensive real estate (ivory towers) with poor utilisation. It's like the 90's all over

[@tumultoustortellini]

@@Gandhi_Physique Their role is to carry down orders from higher to lower. Their ability to fluff about and needlessly ruin shit, despite this easy task, is incredibly wide. It's like the middle class. They have just enough power to act like they're on top, but are just subservient to higher forces enough to make life worse for everyone below them for basically nothing.

[@SB-qm5wg]

Because millions of people sitting in traffic 5 days a week is so good for the environment.

[@BrandonCurington1]

Not just the environment, the people too. At least me. Public transport can be a nightmare, and while I do like driving i hate other people on the roads.

[@ghosthunter0950]

​​​@@BrandonCurington1both Publix transport and driving in traffic are horrible during peak hours. Public transport has its downsides but its at least more efficient so you can give it fast tracks.

[@knucklestheechidna5718]

Ooo the environment 😂 Such a lib concern

[@owenjamesk]

THANK YOU. The elites forget all about their fake save the environment crusade as soon as commercial real estate implodes.

[@nobodynever7884]

​@@ghosthunter0950I assume publix transportation is a magical train where you can eat a great sandwich from the deli and get some fresh groceries.

[@tumultoustortellini]

So middlemanagers were pissed that they didn't have anyone to boss around and were struggling to prove to higher-ups that they needed their jobs? Because that's what it sounds like

[@itsuhme-meeee4775]

Ah yes, middle managers have certainly always been known for their ability to roll out new company-wide policies

[@mallninja9805]

sounds more like some execs need to justify the expensive office park space they've contracted themselves into.

[@tumultoustortellini]

@@itsuhme-meeee4775 They can't make policy, but let's not act like they can't influence it.

[@kristianlavigne8270]

Exactly 💯 😅

[@lotarion]

@@itsuhme-meeee4775 they could propose this policy and describe basically the same benefits that Mental Outlaw mentioned in the video

[@BrownStarKachina]

It's all about control. Now going into the office means sitting in a cubical in Teams meeting instead of doing that in the comfort of your own home.

[@pawouapproval984]

This. It makes no sense for them to bring everyone in if they are just going to turn around and do nothing in person. They are just creating an excuse to downsize the company since they hired so many during the pandemic, and now no one is buying computers anymore

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

I hated this, having zoom meetings, when we're all in rhe same office. 😑

[@rogueyun9613]

And costing time and money for the commute.

[@slimjimjimslim5923]

Ha I have the opposite problem. I use to have commute time where I can drive listen to some music and relax. But now I'm fully remote, we are working 12hrs a day and the meeting is just one after another without stop, 8am-8pm. Because there's no commute, all the commute time is now just more meeting time.

[@jamms2966]

So quit. Nobody will miss you, especially when you're just a name on a screen. Sounds like you're miserable there anyway

[@xotster]

Wasting life, existence itself, away on commutes feels pathetic...

[@CCherriosful]

They have no respect for us and the funny thing is they’re people. Other people deciding to F over other people is horrific and these corporate jackasses need to be handled properly.

[@thehen101]

so what you'd rather sit in your tiny rented room for a week straight?

[@tstststs]

@@thehen101 Yes

[@soooslaaal8204]

@@thehen101 I prefer that to sharing my space with the mass of inhumanity now teeming in the cities

[@gruanger]

Or being unable to escape coworkers at lunch, or in a minute of downtime being unable to throw in some clothes for a wash, or being unable to relax and calm myself after a stressful morning with a lunch shower. Or cooking myself a nice homecooked meal or being able to actually listen to music and focus in and work hard since I don't have pets, a partner or literally anything to distract me so home was super nice because I wasn't bothered and could focus on work or a million other benefits of being at home.

[@MechMK1]

People keep talking about the "office culture", but the only office culture I see is people desperately trying to find a quiet place away from other people so they can get work done. Oh, and expensive food. Can't forget the expensive food.

[@pluto8404]

just pack a lunch. On sundays I make a big pot of seafood curry to bring in for the week.

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

@@pluto8404 Seafood curry in the office microwave? Your coworkers must *_love_* you.

[@mudi2000a]

The office culture is gossip while chatting in the kitchen drinking coffee.

[@Mankepanke]

​@@pluto8404 clever way to get an exemption for the mandatory office hours. 👏👏👏

[@Life4YourGames]

YES, this!

[@seanwieland9763]

Unless you physically have to be at a location to physically work on a product, there is zero legitimate reason why you physically have to go into an office. Businesses should be thrilled that they don’t need to lease office space and provide supplies, utilities, etc for office workers.

[@relo999]

Except there is, connection to the company, long term efficiency, the social aspect of employment, rhythm building, work/life disconnect, etc., etc. are all rather important for both maintaining, growing and advancing employment and missing from remote work and for the mental health for employees (which in turn effects efficiency). Remote work only works if you only buy labour for the sake of labour, but for anything more complex than typical "student employment" level stuff like call centers you want employees to see their employment as more than just the sale of their labour. Having people attached to the company helps with their growth, helps with finding people beyond entry jobs and for the employee side helps to avoid a load of mental issues. School has a similar function for kids, it doesn't exclusively exist to learn but it's also the place you met friends, met new people and other such things and switching schools is for most kids an issue because of those things.

[@he.5865]

CEOs that are paid millions, billions in some cases to maximize share price are doing it for one reason? Can you guess? Hint: it's not to annoy you.

[@CoalOres]

@@relo999 There is absolutely no way it is more efficient to haul a half ton of metal over miles than to send the information over at near *lightspeed* . Say what you want about the social aspect but it is *objectively* more efficient in time and energy to work remotely according to basic physics. Mental health? Lol. If you care about mental health give them the choice to work at home if they want to. Again, objectively better outcomes for that variable too.

[@GoonyMclinux]

If there isn't anyone there to worship them then there isn't a point to a big shiny building.

[@noname-gp6hk]

Man every time i go to the office i have so much collaboration. We collaborate about football, we collaborate about what we gonna eat, we collaborate about what was on youtube the night before. We collaborate so much I don't even get to check my email all day long. It's pretty great, 10/10 back to high school experience.

[@ReshyShira]

Oh no, you can no longer be promoted in an era where people change employers for promotions and pay increases every year or two. What a tragedy, surely people won't quit their job and then reapply for a higher level position either at the same company or at another company.

[@shadowninja6689]

Agreed. Businesses like Dell already took the teeth out of that threat by hiring externally instead of promoting internally.

[@wwjccsd]

Yeah good luck getting a remote position now though. So if they want a promotion in a new company they’d most likely have to go in

[@monterreymxisfun3627]

Antagonizing your workforce causes your best employees with plenty of options to leave while the dead wood stays.

[@dellahunknown8954]

BUH Bye!

[@Joe-ti7qd]

Work from home crowd is the dead wood.

[@Maximilian1990]

Best employees recognize the value of office work. Only bad employees will complain about that

[@NickiRusin]

​@@Maximilian1990what value?

[@Entertainment-is6ex]

But they ‘avoid layoff costs’ by antagonizing their workforce to quit ~_~

[@joopie46614]

Office work is starting to become a largely outdated and old system from when networking and computers weren't readily available.

[@scout360pyroz]

yeah no lmao. offices arent about to be replaced by something as inefficient as remote work. productivity drops every single time it is widely adopted.

[@mememan9890]

@@scout360pyroz Hasn't there been studies that contradict this? Productivity goes up with remote work.

[@joopie46614]

​@@scout360pyroz Then you're hiring the wrong employees and punishing the good employees by not allowing them that freedom, of course some people work better in an office, so a choice should be presented, not forcing one way or another, if anything the company's remote/hybrid policies says a lot on how much they trust and respect their employees and quickly pulls away the best talent from applying. Of course, some jobs require you to be in some sort of a lab or environment where equipment to do specific work is present, I'm sure those individuals are already happy with that considering they're pursuing that line of work.

[@joopie46614]

I've worked in cyber security where consultants including me worked on confidential projects for some of the top companies where chaos would ensue if anything was ever leaked, and the company has a very flexible remote and hybrid policy, letting you choose to come in or work from home, leakage of data never happened, again comes down to hiring the right people. Anyhow, we're bound by very strict NDA's as it is and if you try to do anything of that sort, that's you never working in security again, so the stakes are definitely high.

[@scout360pyroz]

@@mememan9890 initial studies done by people trying to push the practice, sure. later ones show the opposite, and we had a couple years to gather a LOT more data with covid. It's a 10-20% reduction in productivity depending on the nature of the work. The problems Stanford University saw with a recent study are with holding focus, coordinating efforts, and general communication. People merely claim that they feel they are more productive. This is of course compounded by the endless daemon of trying to quantify work with adequate metrics, but I know from experience how easy it is to feel you are working better while actually getting less done over time, and I could only tell because I happened to be doing a physical task that was more easily quantified.

[@Blackfilmguild]

You dont realize how much less you get sick until you stop riding public transit.

[@szv_]

You don't realize how much less you get "sick" when you don't have to deal with an hour of traffic before and after work every day.

[@bigsyrup8567]

Public transit is for hobos and peasants. Get a car.

[@kittybeans8192]

Oh god yes. It's pretty nice, not getting a cold or something every few months or so. I think I haven't had a cold since late 2019. Some pretty tough days with allergies though, but that's different.

[@lolwtnick4362]

ours is fine. takes the stress out of driving. now being at work? 78 degrees on average working in a storage closet. management didn't care. i got sick 2x a yr.

[@samiraperi467]

So you'll rather take several personal hours wasted per days, insurance, maintenance, fuel, stress, NEEDING ta car to go anywhere... Many US (and elsewhere) cities SUCK. I'll take walking to a tram stop any day over the bother of having to own a car (which wouldn't even be possible, can't afford one). If I need a car I'll rent one. I live less than 10 minutes away from train station, 5 minutes to tram or bus; nearest *guaranteed* parking would actually take longer to get to and I'd have to pay a couple of hundred a month. AND I get to use the trip time chilling.

[@JohnSmith-qy1wm]

The money savings like on commutes, lunches, clothing, etc. was great. I now love starting my workday off with an hour long commute in heavy traffic. Great for the blood pressure. Also the boss hanging around and eating up hours of your day (let alone the meetings).

[@jamms2966]

😢

[@ReglazeRX]

I work in homes doing home fix stuff. Please go back to the office. Your are in my way. Seriously.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Please quit then.

[@THOR_THE_GOD]

@@dellahunknown8954 You're on all the comments simping for office plantations. Wonder why? Rage baiting? No life? Combination?

[@tonechild5929]

Software engineer here, last year the company I work for kicked off the return to office mandate and every time people asked them why, leadership would just say because "better collaboration" - I actually get a lot less done in the office because its constant distractions. We've been using Teams and collaborate just fine - we dont need to have our meetings in a shitty conference room that doesnt have AV equipment working properly. Also the cross-talk in person is much worse.

[@drill_fiend1097]

The truth is they need to justify owning a building, and low occupancy makes it look bad for investors funding them. Also, it's a kind of twisted loyalty test: they want people who prioritize themselves over the company, out. They rather want mindless workers who follow policy rather than talented people with reasonable boundaries. It's a sneaky way to lay people off gracefully without layoff notice or having to pay for severance. They could use attendance to justify PIP and subsequent firing.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Says YOU! Learn how to be accountable.

[@Mummie560]

We know who the middle manager is ^

[@tonechild5929]

​@@drill_fiend1097 When asked for proof its better in office we got non-answers, they talked in circles.

[@MushookieMan]

You could cut so much cost if you fired ALL of your employees

[@harrymason4300]

Fire your employees and hire Indians who work for $10 an hour. That's the future of American buisness.

[@mallninja9805]

Ah yes, the Muskrat Method

[@AnthonyManzio]

@@mallninja9805 Good go to work you lazy bums with all stupid excuses.

[@AnthonyManzio]

go find another job you won't stop people from buying Dell computers. You really sound like a very immature idiot. Move closer to work. You want to wok from home so you can slack off.

[@TW0man4RMY]

Business Community: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!! 😏

[@CuteSkyler]

There's a reason most people choose to be their own boss, it's because of disgusting practices like this.

[@jordixboy]

So easy to be your own boss... most people don't make any money

[@UnShredded]

"be your own boss" tends to mean "lead your underlings in a way you'd never like to be lead".

[@hya2in8]

who is most people

[@gownerjones]

@@UnShredded The vast majority of people who are self-employed don't have "underlings".

[@CuteSkyler]

@@hya2in8 The 'most people' who have caused a jobs shortage.

[@RealUtterNonsense]

Forcing workers back into the office is also a tactic to pressure people to quit. This reduces employee salary expenditures without scaring investors with layoff notices.

[@kkamau5479]

Also companies get tax benefits from cities for having employees in offices a certain amount of days

[@he.5865]

We're better off when productivity increases

[@dellahunknown8954]

And increases a companies stock values. Every time there is a mass layoff my stock portfolio goes up.

[@rflair]

It could be the greatest tactic ever, most office work can now be automated; allow them to work from home, demand they come back, they don't, automation takes over, general public doesn't see a difference.

[@pawouapproval984]

I'm not saying I used to work for Dell, because I definitely DID NOT, but, hypothetically, let's say I DID, the managers were put through so much shit. it was such a shithole of a company, metrics were raised every few months to where if you weren't meeting metrics you would continuously be put on "plans" that would continuously keep you from moving up. Like I said, I DIDN'T WORK FOR DELL, this is just what i've heard :)))

[@AJohnSmith]

You worked for Dell.

[@pawouapproval984]

@@AJohnSmith no

[@Mordecrox]

I know it is you Sergei, good on you for getting to post bail but you're still not welcome back. If anything most people still remember you as "that guy who might not have worked at Dell".

[@bsb1975]

I've heard it called "Dell Hell" by current and ex-employees. I imagine Dell is like working at Amazon. Looks good on a resume, but you'll leave inside five years.

[@pawouapproval984]

@@bsb1975 you definitely know Dell employees :)

[@elikirkwood4580]

Another thing that's driving so many big companies into these kinds of policies is the fact that they're not able to justify the cost of their office spaces unless people are actually using them. The problem comes from the fact that many of these same companies (or at least some of their higher level employees) are heavily invested in the commercial real estate market, so if that crashes they lose a ton of money.

[@dellahunknown8954]

It's about accountability. Many employers don't want employees working from home for multiple companies at the same time.

[@PompaTG]

@@dellahunknown8954 Which some clever people did during lockdown...must've been nice to pull in two full time salaries...

[@longbeach225]

@@dellahunknown8954 If they want us in the office then they need to increase salaries by 50%. If you want to pay me 50k then let me work remote so I can live in a affordable area. Some people who work remotely for Amazon are making 13 per hour and they moved to Brazil where they can afford it. People don't want to struggle and figure if they should starve to pay the light bill or eat then sit in the dark.

[@p_r_bl__d.diamondhands.]

Every company under the sun claimed productivity went up during work-from-home.

[@Maximilian1990]

Source: your ass

[@thestig007]

I work for a globohomo corp. They are starting to push people to go into the office more often now. Just to sit at the same laptop we use at home, but in the office. It makes zero sense. So now I waste over 2 hours every day I go in, and work under harsh fluorescent lighting with chatty co-workers all day. Fantastic. Nothing like a little road rage to start the day off.

[@gownerjones]

A what corp?

[@JD-mz1rl]

Leave

[@ViewerEm]

​@@gownerjonesright wing rephrasing of "gay agenda"

[@Vicorcivius]

@@ViewerEm please stop the lies

[@ViewerEm]

@@Vicorcivius ? thats what ive heard from lauren southern. that she and many other conservatives believe there is a "globohomo" initiative being pushed by "powerful elites". what else does globohomo mean?

[@phxsisko]

The moment any employer tries to track me, i'm out.

[@TerrorSyxke]

Windows does, opera browser does chrome does iOS does etc

[@TerrorSyxke]

Yea, sucks

[@MagnificentSkim]

And you're commenting this on KZbin of all places?

[@InMyBunker]

Oh big boy over here that assumes he’s not replaceable

[@not_kode_kun]

@@TerrorSyxke i dont use any of those and i dont think many people here do

[@SimoAtlas]

Office is just a waste of time unless you manage physical stuff out there

[@silverscalederg8632]

True...but because those work from home dipshits pissed my off with all their gloating I say fuck em. make them come back make them seeth. Working bedside nursing during the pandemic wasn't easy....but according to all these whiny ass work from home dipshits their jobs were "so hard" and "they are broke they only earn 100k a year" to do what? fuck all? Yes two positions may earn 100k both nursing and "work from home" office job but guess which one is harder. certainty not the boasters

[@dellahunknown8954]

Then quit!

[@silverscalederg8632]

@@dellahunknown8954 and be homeless...because no other job apart from the fast food places would hire because there is a shit ton of ghost jobs out there for anything remotely decently paid. This whole "then just quit" is such a boomer mindset from a time where you can quit and work next door the same day

[@Joe-ti7qd]

​@@silverscalederg8632sounds like yall just don't want to work. Anything else is just an excuse.

[@silverscalederg8632]

@@Joe-ti7qd Me? You're telling me I don't want to work? What kind of gaslighting bullshit is this. Look at what I replied to, I replied to someone who said "then quit" I explained why NOT to quit. You're prob one of these brain dead "office" dipshits who likes to complain their job is "too hard" while doing 1/4th the work I do.

[@MicahThomason]

"A tracking system to make sure employees are at work". We used to call that at time clock

[@NTYT_lmayo]

Not for exempt employees

[@MicahThomason]

@@NTYT_lmayo Exempt employees wouldn't be tracked.

[@XperimentorEES]

There's a difference between a punch card and having a 'security' camera watching your cubical.

[@erkinalp]

@@MicahThomason you want to track them too, overtime pay exemption doesn't mean it's desirable to have overtime work.

[@Prophet6000]

Remote is better. I don't need to go to an office to get coughed on.

[@RezaQin]

Just get your booster and the next booster and the next booster...

[@dinguscollective1872]

@@RezaQin i shall cough on you then

[@MrSplosiondude]

@@RezaQin They stopped updating the boosters. Wouldn't do anything.

[@pluto8404]

​@@MrSplosiondude did they ever do anything?

[@dellahunknown8954]

For YOU. Not necessarily the business. GTF back to work.

[@owensthethird]

Our obsession with productivity and efficiency does conveniently ignore the billions of labor hours lost to commuting

[@dellahunknown8954]

Why should your employer give a s*** how much you spend on commuting. Not his problem.

[@doktork3406]

You are mistaken... it's not "our obsession", it's theirs And since they don't pay you for your commute, they don't give a shit about those hours.

[@fuckshit8208]

I charge any time I spend commuting to my timecard. If I'm forced to be anywhere besides my home due to work-related obligations, I'm going to get paid for every second of it.

[@Entertainment-is6ex]

@@dellahunknown8954they should care, as they get more productivity out of someone who isn’t burnt out by the other things in their life. That’s why all these big companies have ‘wellbeing’ and ‘health’ programs.

[@iDaddy69]

​@@dellahunknown8954 found the middle manager

[@iblackfeathers]

dell is not the only one with remote / hybrid issues. employees from other companies are testing the waters by doing as much through remote work as possible and only showing up like once a month until someone calls them out on it. for some companies it is a waste of time for the employee when all tasks can be done remotely. but some companies are trying to justify the cost of paying to lease the office space when all that is there are servers and cubicles and someone else there to turn on and off the lights and maybe janitor services.

[@shapelessed]

If I get hired for a remote position (as a software dev) and then get told to be in office more than once a month, I'm either going to be paid for commute or leave for the next company in my email feed.

[@knowwhey7559]

Be sure to add "Quits when something doesn't go my way" to the skills on your resume. Keep bouncing from job to job until you're 60 and broke.

[@o1-preview]

good luck finding a job, shit is not as easy as it used to be

[@advena996]

​@@knowwhey7559 to be fair, from what I understand, nowadays it's actually more efficient to hop from company to company as opposed to trying to get internal promotions.

[@AnotherDante]

​@@knowwhey7559 seething boomer detected

[@he.5865]

Yeah, those companies that don't care are not going to exist long.

[@PhilippBlum]

The fun part about all of this: Even the essential workers, as they were heroically called, want office workers to stay home. They don't want to compete with all these people for a parking spot or be stuck in traffic. The irony. Everyone loves it, except execs.

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

The morning commute during the first lockdown was incredible. Not a single car on the road, could drive at 100mph and no one would notice.

[@PhilippBlum]

@@MrEdrftgyuji Can't close that pandora box any more. People know it's possible :D

[@gownerjones]

The stupid 39 days per quarter thing is what I had at my last employer, also a large company dealing in telecommunication infrastructure. Now I work for a small startup, we all work from home, and there are 0 issues.

[@Slickjitz]

Smaller companies are always the way to go. Usually better pay, not so great benefits, but also treated with more respect and consideration.

[@mechwarrior83]

​@@SlickjitzI am happy enough to lose 5-10% salary for better conditions. the extra pay mostly ends up with the taxman anyway

[@gownerjones]

@@Slickjitz Oh yeah the mutual respect is big here. There isn't really a "higher up" class of worker, the CEO / owner is just one of us, does normal work on top of his business dealings. Nothing like a big company.

[@blisphul8084]

That 39 days things is probably more flexible than a 3 day per week setup. You could go 39 days in a row and then work from home the rest of the year.

[@gownerjones]

@@blisphul8084 39 days per quarter, not per year. That means you could work 39 days in a row in one quarter at the office and the remaining 51 days at home. Then you go back to the office for 39 days and so on.

[@victims5820]

I started working remotely years before the panda medic and I'd rather look for an outdoors job than ever going back into an office.

[@NickiRusin]

lmao first time I heard "panda medic"

[@jamad-y7m]

I'd rather be dead than work in an office again

[@SC-gp7kt]

​@@jamad-y7momg me too!!

[@infini.tesimo]

Control like this only creates the drive for those of entrepreneurial spirit to find ways to make money outside of a 9-5 and continue working not only remotely but for themselves. It could be a more insidious reason for this in that they're counting on people leaving so they can cut costs and automate where they can as soon as they can.

[@pawouapproval984]

This is exactly why. Not really because of automation, but they would definitely like to try to automate them out of a job. They just hired too many during the pandemic is all

[@dellahunknown8954]

So, DO IT!

[@vincei4252]

Imagine commuting 5 hours per day to go into the office in Manhattan to sit in meetings with people in Chicago, London, India and France. Then listen to your manager in London sitting at home complain about the # hours people aren't in the office. I decided that I no longer want to support this bs system.

[@watermelon520b]

yup!

[@Radi0he4d1]

I openly told my manager I feel more productive banging out code in pajamas, and she understood. I don't have time for dress up.

[@cezariusus7595]

Office work is obsolete.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Then don't do it. Simple as that.

[@THOR_THE_GOD]

@@dellahunknown8954 🤫

[@Joe-ti7qd]

You'll discover otherwise.

[@misterkefir]

I wish.

[@Maximilian1990]

Off to McDonald's with you

[@Mammel248]

Glad to be working at a decent company. We were told about 2 years ago that we would no longer be allowed to work 5 days a week AT the office. Company figured out that having people work remotely saves a ton of money in rent, electricity and travel allowance/petrol for our lease cars. After the pandemic we literally got told we would only be allowed to work at the office max 3 days a week and that the company would help people pay for a home office if we didn't have one yet. We have to show up at the office min. 2 days a week, but it doesn't have to be 2 full days. It's OK if we show up at like 10:00 or 11:00 and leave at 15:00, so long as we get our face-to-face meetings done in that time. Wish all companies would be smart like that :P

[@Slickjitz]

Not surprised many employee decide to remain remote. The convenance and mental well being of working remotely far out weighs any promotion. If I worked at dell I would stay remote and start considering other employment at the hundreds of thousands of business that are committed to remote work.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Or have your job outsourced overseas. You're not as important as you think you are.

[@NihilusAeturnum]

Surprise surprise turns out companies embracing remote work during the early covid years was just a PR move. Who could've guessed?

[@johnlockie]

I think as long as profits are up and business is growing everyone is fine with remote work. But the minute there’s any economic pressure all the sudden they need a scapegoat and remote work it is….a lot of the “come back to the office” decisions are made in the haze of managing in a downward spiral. They’re panicked that remote work is a hidden financial cancer….so the easy answer is “bring em back”. Then they add additional arguments like “we have expensive office spaces not being used” and “face to face cannot be replaced” in order to comfort themselves through what they know deep down is just wishful thinking. The irony is it’s probably not the workers or the remote policy to blame. But the leaders and maybe external factors (economics).

[@russell_beddyoisken]

It's pure cost cutting. Any corporate structure could care less about wasted employee time, it's not their problem. All that virtuous press release garbage about the environment and "bringing your best self" to the company is just hand on d*ck. It's just another variation of an old classic tactic: Make life miserable for the employee so they quit, and the bottom line looks better for that quarter. If Dell could get AI to do everything today, 100% of the workforce would be out the door tomorrow...

[@dellahunknown8954]

By Jove, I think you've got it! Why SHOULD an employer care how an employee feels? Perform the job or let someone else do it.

[@juanpablo1834]

I've just finished my degree last week and the first thing I did was update my cv and start applying, and suddenly all those remote job offerings where literally gone. I wanna kms worst timing ever

[@TerrorSyxke]

Yea id rather be remote than rot in a outdated environment where comfort or well being of the worker isn't a priority

[@n3tw0rk_n3k0]

Same bro. I was under contract for a company that focuses on government websites and it was great, after 1 year and 3 months working for them my contract is not getting renewed and they started hiring from Costa Rica. It's cheaper to pay them, you see?

[@cornheadahh]

They'll come back once the economy gets better

[@peppybocan]

don't do that! Join the army!

[@pawouapproval984]

just get a helpdesk job at a governmental facility, some of them pay very well starting out, and some also offer WFH, but only after you have worked there a while

[@kaystephan2610]

I feel like it's mostly about control. Being able to control your workers as much as possible. Employers especially in the US seem to often power trip on the idea of being able to FORCE someone into coming in so you can control them in person, right there, instead of having to rely on distance communication methods.

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

This. It has got more and more like this over the years, to the point where toeing the line is far more important than actually doing anything productive.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Exactly! Hold the workers accountable.

[@boyananakiev4896]

@@dellahunknown8954 accountable for what? If productivity is up and they're doing the jobs they're getting paid for what do you need to held them accountable for?

[@dellahunknown8954]

@@boyananakiev4896 Their salaries

[@baoquoc3710]

@@dellahunknown8954 ah yes, typical dell bot motherfuuckers

[@thesneakysnek]

Just think about it. If people stop commuting to work, we would have fewer reasons to use our cars and fewer reasons to buy gas. The car and oil companies will make less money. And think of the commercial real estate prices for offices once those offices become useless. How can you sell offices when everyone works from home? How will you be able to take loans against your real estate if your real estate is worthless? This is why they hate work from home. The stock market makes less money when you work from home and we all know where all the billionaires keep their money: The stock market. There is no such thing as IBM or Dell or Microsoft. All of these companies have the exact same interests since they are all owned by the same people.

[@Micro-Lander]

Yeah and they have a star of David as their flag with two blue stripes

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

They are still pushing the whole green nonsense at the same time. So you don't get to sit in the comfy air-conditioned box like the boomers used to, you get squeezed into the metal container with hundreds of other people and your commute times double.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Not your concern. Do what you are told or get fired.

[@mudi2000a]

That’s also why the company I worked for didn’t mandate return to office. All of their office space is rented and when the pandemic came they made big cuts in office space and didn’t increase later.

[@thesneakysnek]

@@dellahunknown8954 Let's see how far that dick sucking will get you in life.

[@FM-kl7oc]

After 2008, regulation made it so that the big banks aren't over-exposed to the housing market. But today, the smaller, regional banks are over-exposed to the commercial real-estate market. And guess what happens to commercial real-estate value if the demand for it diminished, and what risks that entails for over-exposed banks.

[@shadowninja6689]

It's the banks fault for exposing themselves too much to commercial real estate, and for buying it up when it was so outrageously overpriced. Trying to force people to go back into the office isn't a solution to the banks making bad investing decisions, especially when there's FDIC insurance.

[@heretic124]

Heard that unrealized losses in real estate market are 3 or 4 times larger now than they were in 2008 when everything fell apart. But for now they're unrealized and in hands of corporations and large investors. It's not personal home mortgage market where someone with low income suddenly couldn't pay. It's the office and industrial buildings this time. Also, Biden printed money like crazy to stall it. Brace yourselves, this can't hold forever.

[@erkinalp]

@@shadowninja6689 deposit insurance doesn't apply to tangible property investments

[@niveketihw1897]

This makes so much sense, as to why companies are pushing for this so hard (and seemingly against their own interests in some cases). I've also heard in my company's situation that the huge tax break they received for buying and building a large campus is contractually contingent upon having X number of employees for Y amount of time -- but as written, those employees are only "counted" when they're in the building.

[@Shrouded_reaper]

​@@shadowninja6689FDIC doesn't cover investments mate...

[@alina1684]

Ah yes, the move back to office - one company here spent about $800,000 on a new office complex for their employees and forced like 98% of the workforce to move back home. Someone got pissed off and snitched to the work inspectorate agency about whatever little problems they could find at the office - minor leaks, cracks, whatever they could find, they'd report it to the authorities. A lot of people got fired or had their contracts randomly terminated over random crap and this one guy didn't take very kindly to that. Him and a bunch of friends did a little trolling and landed the company in millions of fines from the government and a bunch of bad PR. Fucking poetic.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Good strategy. Bankrupt the company due to your hurt feelings. This is why we no longer make anything in America.

[@qtng]

​@@dellahunknown8954It's not surprising to me that if a company doesn't care about its employees, the employee won't care about the company either. Competent management knows this and chooses its policies accordingly.

[@Maximilian1990]

Nice fairy tale

[@westernsellers9148]

Sound like a bunch of whiny useless females

[@dellahunknown8954]

@@qtng A paycheck is the only "care" an employer needs to give.

[@josephfox9221]

I worked for a medium company in their IT department though the pandemic. While from a functioning standpoint the remote work worked great. However the CEO said "he missed seeing peoples faces in the office" Naturally when the in office work returned there was quite a bit of people quiting or retiring

[@dellahunknown8954]

Reason enough for an employer to require an in office presence.

[@boyananakiev4896]

@@dellahunknown8954 i guess, if ur a psychopath or lonely or hate ur family so u wanna see the gang , when ur feelings get in the way of doing buisness and ur a ceo lmfao

[@dellahunknown8954]

@@boyananakiev4896 Doesn't matter what you think. Their business, their rules.

[@JorgetePanete]

people's*

[@MrGeekGamer]

The first time I bought a Dell was 2003 and the last time I bought a Dell was in 2008. Garbage.

[@PompaTG]

Wouldn't buy a new one, but I'm using a second hand Precision 5550 that used to be someones work computer. Got it a year ago and very happy with it. i9-10885H, 32GB RAM, Quadro T2000, 32GB RAM & 1TB ssd for $650 it felt like a steal, and it's been great value...since I'm using Linux I can't see myself replacing it anytime soon...

[@MrGeekGamer]

@@PompaTG I'm using a pretty old Lenovo with Manjaro for my laptop. Also can't see needing more for a long time.

[@redoberon]

In my company they hinted full remote workers would need to go at least 3 days per week. People started hinting they would quit so they had to backpedal 😂. I'm not missing the traffic jams at all

[@pluto8404]

so many people die on their commute as well. Imagine risking your life just to go sit at a cubical all day.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Neither are the low cost overseas workers. lol

[@mudi2000a]

@@dellahunknown8954if you ever actually worked with them then you’d know they are not actually cheaper. There is a huge difference in quality between them and a local employee. I’d say the difference is so big that it’s not worth it.

[@redoberon]

@@dellahunknown8954 mate, if you can be replaced with low cost indians then you have bigger problems than commuting lol.

[@lolnowayz]

Jokes on you Dell. First time someone makes a sexist joke in the office now, I am getting a settlement.

[@ValleyMansonOfficial]

Why would I want to work at an office when I could live /comfy/?

[@bigsyrup8567]

Why would we want tech wagies to have nice things?

[@dellahunknown8954]

Why work at all. Just go on welfare.

[@Spencer-wc6ew]

Wells Fargo is doing this too. My whole team was layed off for working remote. My team was hired for a neurodiversity program. We had disability accomodations to work from home, because open offices are painful to just exist in for most people with autism and/or social anxiety.

[@Joker22593]

That's because the banks own all the leases and mortgages on all the office buildings. If they encourage work from home, they lose a metric butt load of money if everyone else follows them.

[@JoeRogansForehead]

Wells Fargo tracks time on the computer and stuff . Those employees got fired for using scripts that move their mouse and stuff . They would only do that if the company was tracking how long they were using their computers . Seems like a terrible way to track progress

[@Gandhi_Physique]

I actually read something recently where a lot of HR people were interviewed at companies about back to office mandates. A lot of them said they were hoping the mandate would result in people quitting.

[@drill_fiend1097]

That's what they are exactly doing. They would rather have RTO mandated and have people resign themselves out of office or fire them for "poor performance" based on attendance. No need for them to pay severance instead of just laying people off.

[@bodaciouschad]

"Yeah, I'm hybrid. You get to see me in the office whenever you'd like- over zoom on demand. Oh, you meant commuting? Sure! Just tell me who to invoice for time and expense."

[@dellahunknown8954]

It's already in your paycheck.

[@bodaciouschad]

@@dellahunknown8954 no? Thats for hours *worked.* Commuting is additional service. You want it? You buy it.

[@lizardinthelites]

After 4 years my team was recently required to be on site 1 day per week. We can choose any day. I go on Fridays because no one is there. And I get there around 9 and leave around noon. I do everything at the office I do at home. It's very surreal. At least they claim not to be tracking us, and so far I've had no issues being there 3 hours once a week.

[@THOR_THE_GOD]

My mom went from a office call center to doing the same work at home. Lots or saved gas money, and she's happier! Offices are obsolete plantations.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Why should the employer care how much gas money she saved?

[@boyananakiev4896]

@@dellahunknown8954 cuz not spending extra money on gas and working from home is a benefit which benefits both the employee and the employeer. The employee is happier (in most cases) and walks away with more money. The employeer has a happier and more productive employee (in most cases) AND the worth of the job listing is higher since the net money employees walk away with is higher this makes it easier to attract better talent without the employer having to spend more of his money. It's pretty obvious. Not to mention that a lot of companies that dont own real estate and rented office space were able to downsize their offices and save on rent greatly, directly making back money for the employer that was lost on rent.

[@THOR_THE_GOD]

@@JorgetePanete fixed.

[@mechadeka]

@@dellahunknown8954 Why are you such a cuckold?

[@SGresponse]

Heh. My employer recently suggested that they will enforce hybrid work rather than work-from-home. I answered that in that case my hours will not change: 9-5. Including commute. So if I start at 9 - that means I leave my house at 9 sharp. We have a meeting at 9:10? Tough luck. Turns out there is a fully remote option at my company after all... Who'd have thunk it.

[@AnsisPlepis]

My condolences to devs who don't have the opportunity to work remotely. I've been living so comfortably I can't even imagine returning to that

[@rakeau]

This is a minefield I'm navigating right now. I'm strongly in favour of WFH and as far as I'm concerned, any and all "return to office" requirements have nothing to do with the job or productivity. If some people prefer to go to the office - great, let them. But don't force the unwilling to do so as well just for the former's amusement. Commercial real estate valuations is another factor.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Their business, their rules. Don't like it? Quit.

[@1Pandemoonium]

@@dellahunknown8954 that’s what all the good employees will do (and have done)

[@daskampffredchen]

Dont like it quit! A few weeks later "Why cant we get good employees?!

[@rakeau]

@@dellahunknown8954 Shit take. If it's a desk job, there's no actual reason for said "rules".

[@dellahunknown8954]

@@rakeau If it's a desk job it can be outsourced.

[@jonahplayscello]

1 view in 12 seconds, bro fell off

[@NoahBoat999]

3 likes for clout bro fell off 💀

[@Levi_OP]

What now

[@anthonybf2]

The deep fake fell off

[@ApathyBM]

NPC comment

[@jonahplayscello]

@@ApathyBM is it?

[@Maebbie]

hire talent with the promise to do so remote, then drag them back into the office anyway, genius

[@MrPir84free]

I hope it backfires. If it's good enough to work from home for the past few years, then the question should be - what's changed so that the work of those already working from home is not good enough ? I'd bet that management suggests that it's lack of productivity ; but if you'd ask the employees, they'll be quick to mention wages, and slow promotions to begin with... After all, if you aren't being rewarded with at least competitive wages, adjusted for at least cost of living and inflation, well, your productivity is going to tank at least to a degree. Management stopped caring; so the employees stopped caring..

[@borisvokladski5844]

My manager always says to me (IT specialist) that I can work from home as much I like. If my manager and I need (we are 2 in the IT department) to be in the office the whole working week, the company does not have a functional IT department.

[@dellahunknown8954]

IT's are a dime a dozen. Hire from overseas.

[@boyananakiev4896]

@@dellahunknown8954 if u hire from overseas how are they gonna go to the office lolz

[@mudi2000a]

@@dellahunknown8954 you never worked with overseas workforce. Them being cheaper is often only an illusion.

[@dootdoot8755]

That ultimatum is so baffling >hey wagie if you come to the cagie you get a chance of getting slightly more money >just ignore that working from home is basically equivalent to several promotions as it frees up 2-3 hours per day on commuting, you no longer pay for travel and you get to feel nice while working instead of being stuck in a shitty soulless office

[@Noobish1337]

My boss used to be a control freak. Since 2020 most people (including me) are working from home. since he realized how much more productive sone ppl are, he completly stopped being a control freak.

[@punishedpinecone4772]

Vicious totalitarian Karens think that if they can't see their subjects, uh I mean subordinates, that they must be goofing off

[@will16320]

This is a surprise to absolutely nobody with any sort of awareness of talent management. The best folks will simply be snapped up at competitors who offer what they expect (WFH-HYBRID).

[@dellahunknown8954]

GOOD MORNING VIETNAM! Or China, India, Pakistan, etc. LOL.

[@boyananakiev4896]

@@dellahunknown8954 How can you be same person that cries when employees say they're not coming to the office and then say these people are gonna be replaced with people from overseas who physically can not come to the office, the cognitive dissonance is real.

[@Mummie560]

Why do boomers always type lol in all caps

[@gangstaelegantproductions2780]

Lol companies made sure they saved money every way they could by closing early, not giving you ketchup but keeping all the same prices. Now they want their workers back, fuck them.

[@dra911]

Ironically it was during lockdowns that I enjoyed going to work the most (I had a critical worker exemption.) No traffic on the road, office 99% empty. When the circus stopped and people came back to work I then worked more from home. Since leaving that place the CEO has insisted that everyone return full time to the office. Good riddance!

[@lathein]

Can't abuse your workers if they can just mute you. Gotta be able to be in SA distance.

[@askhowiknow5527]

It’s not about productivity It’s about control

[@Xaito]

I've had an hour commute to the office, also needlessly wasting fuel and putting mileage on the car. Back in the day I was convinced that the home office was not for me (without ever trying) because I would be easily distracted by home stuff, and not getting into 'work mode'. Boy was I wrong. Being in your own home environment is relaxing, comfortable and way more peaceful than the office where colleagues are taking phone calls etc. Productivity was not an issue at all. And I found that even remote meetings were kind of working better than IRL meetings, because fewer people would just talk over each other. I never want to go back to full time office. If anything I'm hoping remote work becomes the norm so that I can become a digital nomad, live in Japan, work wherever there's an interest project and the pay is good.

[@dollymix5]

This is a great way to fire people without the bad press. They don't care. They just want to please the shareholders. Will lose treat people, lots of money in the long run. But the ceo will make a bank pleasing the shareholders for longer.

[@jedics1]

Working from home is one of, if not the only win the working class has had from the economic sh!t show of the last decade so no surprise many aren't giving it up.

[@gitgit1995]

I actually work more efficiently working from home!

[@voip4life]

WFH since 2015, still love it! Don’t get me wrong, I like to visit the office to see coworkers *sometimes* or when there’s free food. When I do drive in for free food I try and convince other coworkers of mine working remote to come in and they say “Nah, I’d rather just pay for my food than come into the office” LOL.

[@connoisseurofcookies2047]

The real issue with the Home vs. Office debate isn't whether or not employees are more or less productive in the office, but of the payment model itself. Paying a salary or by the hour necessitates either trust or intimate oversight, whereas paying pro rata by default would completely negate any objections to working from home.

[@ChimeraGilbert]

These big companies only “supported” remote work during the pandemic because it was good PR and made them look they cared. Now that the pandemic is over it’s time to put the leash back on and encourage employees to live at work

[@IPLayedVR42Long]

It's just more beneficial in the long run to have people work from home. -No risk of traffic making you late. -Less risk of transferring sicknesses. -Less money spent on the company to operate ie: taxes, electricity, over priced business class Internet costs, furniture, janitorial, hell you can even make it so employees have to supply their own pc for said remote work. The list goes on.

[@ghostravenstorm385]

Remote work is an eventuality: not a convenience. If tech companies want to reasonably grow without all their employees having to live within several miles of the office thereby congesting urban centers and roads even further, then this idea must be embraced. It's rather silly to spend an hour driving to tbe office just to sit at a cube for 8 hrs to not collaborate with anyone in a physical meaningful way. In school we had to make effective use of working remotely on collaborative team projects because we didn't have the common daily meeting space nor schedule because everyone was basically living a double life paying their way through school. So kids today graduating from programs like Full Sail or with CS degrees are already well equipped for this work/life style.

[@dellahunknown8954]

Is it your company? No? Then not your concern. Get back to work or quit.

[@Aranimda]

What if all employees just keep working from home and that nobody can get promoted or get different roles? Then Dell is just hurting themselves.

[@bloxxer02]

I love my dell latitude 3570, its really old at this point but its got a swappable battery, swappable ram with 2 slots, a swappable hdd/ssd, and a swappable wifi chip. It's i5-6200 is dated but thats nothing linux cant fix for a while.

[@sdfxcvblank5756]

My favorite part of this whole thing is that Dell thinks that employees continuously want upward mobility. It is literally cheaper for you as an employee to just get a job at a different company and receive a pay raise that way.

[@theussmirage]

Companies come and go, but talent is forever.

[@noahknight4039]

So I assume Dell will give in now but expect massive layoffs in the near future. Guarantee they’re already working on a way to phase all these people out.

[@tomtom9184]

I've been in the semiconductor business for 25 years, and honestly, I didn't know Dell was still around.

[@kalidesu]

They are sinking faster than Intel.

[@juswiffin8380]

"Consumers" are starting to realize that they make or break these big Corporations, not the other way around.

[@the-real-zpero]

I imagine many of the people who took the "or else" option are already browsing for a better job at a better company. I would be.

[@thegamingfrontier3079]

"Or else" isn't much of a threat when companies don't normally promote from within but rather hire everyone into their positions like most of management.

[@mercoro]

They have to give some utility to their million dollar concrete boxes, they can't let people work in the comfort of their homes, everything must be the most uncomfortable possible, most depressing and most boring.

[@AshnSilvercorp]

Commuting in a car is hell. Driving itself is fine, but other drivers ignore laws completely, not just to a fault of numbers, but to a reckless level that does not care about their own life or anyone else's just to save a minute or two on commute time...

[@Tn5421Me]

Anything to not have to be in the office for another 8 hours when the work could be done in 2 hours at home

[@PrideSage99]

The same people that used glue instead of threadlocker on all these post-2018 Latitude case screws? This company is so stupid.

[@andrej2321]

Same that got rid of the replaceable CMOS RTC and bricked laptops by dedicating 10% of the Lithium Ion thru a firmware 😂 and making them unbootable-unpowerable.

[@PrideSage99]

@@andrej2321 No dedicated CMOS battery = straight garbage, which is unfortunately a theme for these modern Dells.

[@ItsDestroy]

I bet these same companies have safety meetings where they talk about how much they care, when they literally are forcing you to unnecessarily risk your life driving to work

[@stevejohnson1321]

If companies are still paying office and cubicle rent, they want those spaces filled. That probably flies in the face of productivity, but it's the typical reason.

[@RoofusRoof19]

personally i like seperating my place of work/school and my home physically, but i still think dell is being shitty here

[@ElixirEcho]

2 hours a day is 30 days over a year. That's an entire month of travailing to and from work!

[@dellahunknown8954]

Yeah, but no one but you cares. Get back to work.

[@iiisaac1312]

Laid off pearson here at a different company: a couple years before le beer virus, we moved to an upgraded (more expensive) office. During le beer virus, management was kevetching about how much monies they were spending on rent for the office staffed by a skeleton crew for le social distancing (I was part of that crew, everyone else got to remote). Part of it is just management just trying to justify their bloated spending on rent. The old place was classier anyways. Dell is probably blowing through lots of cash on empty buildings. They're in Round Rock, which is close to Austin, which has seen an influx of "refugees" from California, so property costs an arm and a pinus. If Dell can shut down a factory and move it to Mexico, India, or Chyna to save money on manufacturing, then they can shut down or at least downsize an office to save money on property.

[@WesterDrive]

I've called them a Whaambulance. It's going to be a while, though. The medics are working remotely today.

[@jimbojimbo6873]

I remmeber the CEO making a statement on linkedin that the company doesn’t care where you work as long as the job get done and now forcing the people back in the office

[@remsee1608]

Dell employees don’t work as hard as you do. Outstanding content Jayson, and congrats on your NBA Finals win

[@sgttomas]

😂 can’t unsee it now

[@Odyseja2011]

"Promoted" lol, there are no more promotins in today's work culture.

[@Tri_Nitro]

I actually worked in H&S department in one of Dell's EU facilities in February. At that time the hybrid office was just being rolled in and most of my coworkers that didn't have to be at the facility (unlike production staff, H&S and logistics people) fully knowing they're getting stuck on their step of corporate ladder chose fully remote work. Keep in mind most of these people have corporate leased cars and full fuel subsidies but didn't want to travel hundreds of kilometers just to sit at the cubicle. They knew the chances of promotion were (and probably still are) very slim and that way at least there's some personal comfort day to day. I also know through someone from higher up the tree that even if someone skilled gets barred from promotion they'll just work for a bit until they get a better offer from some other giant in the industry and just hop companies. Brain drain has been noticeable for a couple years now. It'll absolutely get worse for Dell.

[@ToiletPlugger]

Capitalists: let the market decide! Dell: No, not like that!