DeLonghi EC680 EC685 espresso shot

Pulling an espresso shot from my DeLonghi EC680 using naked portafilter. I'm using 14g of freshly roasted coffee (Brasilia Santos) with a non-pressurised double basket to pull 28g of espresso (ratio 1:2). I'm grinding using Baratza Virtuoso set around 8 (after calibration for fine grinding).

[@MrGlk]

Thanks for the video - I have a recalibrated Baratza Encore and just cannot get a good a extraction from the naked portafilter. I am getting bricking on the ground beans but anything coarser and the extraction is too fast.

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi Joe! I've experienced this many times. Try different types of coffee beans. I can get a decent extraction only for freshly roasted beans. On vid I'm using a few days old Brasilia Santos beans. Currently I'm using Etiopia Djimmah which is giving me even better results.

[@DanielDeneka]

One more thing: I have also recalibrated my baratza virtuoso to the finest grind settings and for mentioned coffee beans I’m using grind setting around 8-9

[@lucascarpin1361]

Hi! Greetings from Argentina. I have the same set up but i´m using the presurized basket. Do you recomend to use the same amount of coffe that you use? And what about the grinding, still 8? Thanks!

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi Lucas! I don't think 14g will fit in the original basket - this one is much bigger. Regarding the grind setting - you should use lowest setting that lets the coffee extract in reasonable amount of time (around 20-35s depending on your taste). Cheers!

[@DevineOne]

Thanks for sharing. Do you start timing the extraction from when you press the button until the pump stops? or do you time from when you first see a drop of coffee until the coffee stops pouring? Also have you measured the water temperature coming out? I have to run my machine several times to get over 90c. Unfortunately doing this causes the descale light to come on after 1 week of use.

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi Mark! I'm starting to count the time after first drop pours and stopping the extraction manually (by pressing the brew button again) after I reach the expected brew ratio - in this case 28g which took around 29s if you count from the first drop. I did stop the machine at around 26g and 2g did came out after machine was off. I've only measured coffee temperature in the cup (double wall glass, preheated) and it was 70c so I guess it was ok. Before my morning coffee I did run the machine empty two times preheating it (and the cup) and the coffee was made at third run. Descaling indicator is just a suggestion made based on a water hardness level set in the machine. I was using soft water from my brita filter and did set it to soft (here is a guide kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKiUXn1jpt6Yh6s). But to be honest I was just ignoring this indicator and descaling once a 2-3 months - because I know I have really soft water (I don't have any residue on my kitchen equipment). I hope that helped, cheers!

[@DevineOne]

@@DanielDeneka Hi Daniel, Thanks for your in depth reply. I really appreciate it and found your answer very helpful! I personally bought a spare portafilter with double shot pressurised filter. I have converted the double wall filter into a single wall non-pressurised filter by way of drilling a hole on the bottom. I will try and replicate your results to see how it comes out. In general can you say what the taste of the coffee is if you overextract? Is it more bitter then? And under extract is sour? Never did I think that making coffee is such an art! It has taken up my christmas holiday pursuing the perfect cup!

[@ericbee519]

thanks for posting! did you use oil to sprinkle the beans or just plain water? thanks

[@DanielDeneka]

Eric Blanco it’s plain water. Cheers

[@BUTIKIStudios]

@@DanielDeneka what's the purpose for spraying water?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi @@BUTIKIStudios - it's to reduce the electrostatics (prevent grounded beans flying around)

[@BUTIKIStudios]

@@DanielDeneka oh okay...thanks 😄

[@hussienbahgat1277]

Gr8 video wz amazing results, but just wondering; can i just replace the pressurized coffee filter with a non pressurized one & remove the grooved plastic insert without having to cut the bottom of portafilter?????!!!! Thanks

[@DanielDeneka]

Hussien Bahgat hi! Thanks! Yes, this basket will fit - just remove plastic insert from portafilter

[@hussienbahgat1277]

@@DanielDeneka thanks for ur reply. And will it still give the same result - as shown on the video- if i kept the portafilter bottom???!!

[@DanielDeneka]

@@hussienbahgat1277 Hi! It should not matter - only downside I can think of is keeping it clean would require more effort.

[@meshlrd1047]

Hi there I have the same machine. I've noticed people change the portafilter that came with the machine. Do i really have to buy a new portafilter in order to get a better espresso shots?

[@theautomationchannel6920]

I having an exact setup...Cut the filter and purchased the same basket from AliExpress My machine started not able to push the coffee and stop after 5 seconds Now it is working only in very coarse grind ....Any fix for this

[@NewcomerzockerAG]

Try to reset the machine to factory settings. Look in the manual or do a Google search, usually that does the trick.

[@meshlrd1047]

Hi there I have the same machine. I've noticed people change the portafilter that came with the machine. Do i really have to buy a new portafilter in order to get a better espresso shots?

[@thomassmart8403]

@@meshlrd1047 You can remove the plastic trim inside the portafilter and replace the basket for a un pressurised basket. The consensus on every thread on every forum I have read is that an unpressurised portafilter improves the taste of the espresso greatly. I've just ordered mine on Monday.

[@nuovosalario]

I recently bought a non pressurised basket but the coffee comes out pretty fast with little crema... im using freshly roasted beans, tamp hard and use the finest setting on my Ariete pro grinder. Any tips?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi nuovosalario! How much coffee beens are you using? From my experience 15grams is the max you could use - this shoul also slow down the flow. Does your grinder have a calibration option? I’ve recalibrated mine to grind even finer. I have a different grinder but maybe Ariete has this option as well?

[@nuovosalario]

@@DanielDeneka thanks for replying. I'm experimenting with the doses, with 15g the coffee still comes out too fast, I found that with 16g it's a little slower. What do you mean by calibration option? My grinder is conical burr and has 15 grinding sizes, I'm using the finest but unfortunately seems like it's still too coarse for non pressurised basket, unless I hack it or something?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi nuovosalario, for some grinders you can change the factory settings. For my grinder I was using this tutorial: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqeznnRoocZ1sK8 Maybe it’s also possible for yours?

[@jaymangussad9697]

Im experiencing the same thing. At 16g i get 33g yield only in 18seconds, and very very little crema..I feel that my grinds are still too big, do you have any suggestions?

[@teeranopsermsenaboon877]

Hi Daniel have you manual changed the extraction times/ calibration on EC680? or is it all factory preset? thanks!

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi, you can hold the brew button as long as you want, and the next time the machine will use this setting

[@teeranopsermsenaboon877]

@@DanielDeneka oh indeed thanks!

[@ahemmedhsuhile5206]

I have the same setup 😍

[@DanielDeneka]

I did update mine since then so it uses rancilio silva steam wand for easier milk steaming

[@gordanbabic8028]

is that Baratza Encore? so it can be used for espresso. entire internet is convincing people that it cannot grind fine enough for espresso

[@DanielDeneka]

Gordan Babić hi! This is virtuoso, its older brother which is using the same burrs. It can be calibrated to gring fine enough, but the problem is stepped grind setting it has. Sometimes it’s impossible to set the correct grind size because on one it takes 15s and the next closest setting is 35s

[@ahemmedhsuhile5206]

@@gordanbabic8028 true, i do own the encore and in my opinion, for pressurized baskets (and even the non pressurized ones) this does good enough and can be calibrated quite accurately, i dont know about sette or virtuoso, but this does work.

[@abdulkerimyaprakc8999]

Could u plz tell us what kinda coffee basket did u use bcz it’s different from the original one and also much better apparently like so much cream going on

[@DanielDeneka]

it's a non pressurized double size basket. Easy to find on aliexpress

[@doof1412]

Hi Daniel, Very useful video - did you have to mess with the length of the shots at all? By that i mean program the dedica to pour longer shots or did you stick with the default?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi & thanks. Yes, I did set extraction time myself. I think you do that by just holding extraction button as long as you need and next time machine will use is.

[@doof1412]

@@DanielDeneka thats great - thanks for the tip!

[@kalyankumar9474]

hi daniel,please confirm you used 14grms to pull single shot?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi Kalyan. I've used exactly 14 grams then. Now I'm using 14,7-14,8 grams 'cause I feel it's better for this bigger basket I'm using

[@ericbee519]

Hi Daniel, just an update from you. Are you still using the same dosage of 14.7-14.8g IN? I just bought my filter baskets and bottomless portafilter online. I want to have THE SAME results as yours! Thanks

[@albeldarocks]

Hey, where did you get the bottomless portafilter for your dedica machine?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi! I did cut off the bottom of the original one. You can find a tutorial how to do it on youtube.

[@abadyabady2293]

I have the same machine with sage bcg600 grinder Whatever i tried i cant get crema like this at all I tried a lot of coffee beans different companies Changed tempreture of brewing Used less and more coffee in the portafilter Used strong medium low tampering Even the coffee with card or finger before tampering Using all grades from fine to coarse grinds and lost around kilo of coffee trying Any advices ?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi! Can you please post a video of how you prepare your coffee and send me a link? Maybe then I could help. Cheers!

[@AlterEgon666]

Witaj, mam parę pytań. Będę wdzięczny za odpowiedź. AD1. U mnie bardzo ciężko zapina się portafilter, u Ciebie to jakoś lekko. Mam nowy ekspres, czy to się zmieni później? AD2. Psikanie ziaren przed mieleniem ma ograniczyć pylenie? Czy coś innego? AD3. Czy obcięty portafilter jest nadal sztywny i wytrzymały i nie będzie się odkształcać? AD4. Czym obcinałeś dno w pf? Pozdrawiam serdecznie.

[@DanielDeneka]

Cześć! 1) zapinanie idzie dość lekko, ale obecnie ekspres ma prawie 4 lata. Z całą pewnością gumowa uszczelka się już nieco wyrobiła. 2) zmniejsza to elektryzowanie się zmielonej kawy. Nie osadza się na pojemniku młynka i nie ma efektu rozrzucania kawy przy wysypywaniu. Rozpylacz kupiłem chyba w rossmanie. 3) nie zauważyłem różnicy w sztywności, a po prawie 2 latach od przeróbki nie ma żadnych odkształceń. Ale żeby użyć większego sitka, z pojedynczym dnem nie musisz odcinać dna - wystarczy wykręcić plastikowy środek żeby się zmieściło. 4) odciąłem szlifierką kątową, bo akurat miałem pod ręką. Ale myślę, że dużo precyzyjniej można to zrobić piłką do metalu. To aluminium więc idzie jak w masło. Z istotnych rzeczy to będziesz musiał wymienić tamper na metalowy, bo plastikowym nie da się odpowiednio ubić kawy. Tampery 51mm są na allegro albo na aliexpress jeśli masz więcej czasu. Gdybyś miał więcej pytań to zadawaj, chętnie pomogę. Pozdrawiam, Daniel

[@AlterEgon666]

Daniel Deneka dziękuję bardzo mi pomogłeś. Pytam, bo zaczynam przygodę z ekspresem. Czy ustawiałeś ilość wody, bo mi wyszło podobnie 35 g kawy. Robiłem na standardowym sitku (ciśnieniowym) podwójnym. Zdołałem zmieścić w nim 12,6 grama kawy. Robiłem espresso x1 i wyszło mi 35 gramów kawy. Ważone na wadze Acaia. Gdy dotrze do mnie portafilter to przerobię na NPF i wtedy pomierzę jeszcze raz. Niestety nie miałem świeżo palonej kawy. Użyłem MK Cafe Premium. Wyszło nawet smaczne espresso. Pozdrawiam serdecznie.

[@DanielDeneka]

@@AlterEgon666 z ilością to zwykle celuję w 2 razy waga użytej kawy. Aktualnie w sitko zasypuję dokładnie 15g kawy z czego celuję w 30g espresso. W momencie jak mam juz jakies 26g to przerywam ekstrakcję naciskając ponownie guzik. Zwykle to wystarczy żeby dokapało do 30g. Bardzo Ci polecam Etiopia Djimmah od użytkownika Zawadzki14 na allegro. Używam jej od ponad roku cały czas bo tak mi podeszła. Daje też świetną cremę. Udanej zabawy!

[@AlterEgon666]

Daniel Deneka super, jeszcze raz wielkie dzięki. :)

[@Confileus]

@@DanielDeneka Hej, mam od kilku tygodni EC685 i borykam się z tym, że na standardowych ustawieniach fabrycznych ekstrakcja trwa bardzo krótko (około 5-10 sekund). Rozumiem, że są to ustawienia standardowe skalibrowane pod 30ml espresso. Niestety ciężko o taką ilość w tak krótkim czasie. A nie chcę zmieniać ilości trzymając przycisk bo to oznacza, że coś nie działa prawidłowo przy standardowych ustawieniach. Korzystam z zwykłych filtrów, zamówiłem już non-pressurized sitko z aliexpress oraz tamper. A Młynek ustawiony na najmniejszy stopień mielenia. Z góry dziękuję za pomoc!

[@enzodisciullo2557]

What happen if you just used the standard portafilter with the unpressurised basket, is this something you have tried?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi, sure you can do that. Just unscrew plastic insert from portafilter because it won't fit.

[@enzodisciullo2557]

@@DanielDeneka I have tried this but see the coffee running out of three holes very quickly resulting in very watery coffee 🤔

[@DanielDeneka]

@@enzodisciullo2557 Try grinding finer and tamping harder. I wasn't able to get a good tamp using the original plastic tamper.

[@SylabikHipHop]

Hi I just got my dedica. I have the default portafilter and pressurized basket. I've ordered the non pressurized basket and it's on the way. My main concern right now is that I find it hard to turn the portafilter when I want to seal it in the machine.. it moves the entire machine and I have to hold it with my other hand to keep it in one place. Have you experienced this or have any advice?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi Faisal Salman! That's because dedica is very light compared to commercial machines. I've tried different methods to make it stick in one place, including using so called "Car Dashboard Anti Slip Sticky Nano Pad" :) Eventually the gasket will wear out a bit and it will become easier over time.

[@SylabikHipHop]

@@DanielDeneka thanks, since I made my comment it's gotten quite a bit easier

[@r3con23]

Hi, I have the same portafilter and machine. My problem is during extraction, some water will overflow from the side of the portafilter. Were you able to experience it before? Any advice? Thanks, cood vid 😊

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi! I didn't experienced this kind of problem. There are two possibilities: gasket is wear out, or the basket if poorly fitted. Even if you grind so fine that the machine is not able to extract, no water should be leaking under the portafilter. Best!

[@r3con23]

@@DanielDeneka Thank you :)

[@lecciecino8226]

Hi wat is your grind stand to make a espresso shot? I think you grinder is a baratza virtuoso or a encore.

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi, yes it's Baratza Virtuoso.

[@lecciecino8226]

Oke thank you and which grinder mode do you use to make an espresso shot

[@DanielDeneka]

@@lecciecino8226 it's around 10, but that strongly depends on the coffee I'm using. Also I've calibrated it to be able to grind finer. Before calibration (on factory settings) I was using something around 5 or 6. Baratza Virtuoso/Encore grinding steps are pretty far away from each other. One step could mean 5 seconds difference in brewing time. If you have the same basket just try to get double the weight of coffee used in 25-30 seconds.

[@cody2470]

How come when you press the button once it keeps going for 25-30 seconds? Mine only goes for 10 seconds max.

[@DanielDeneka]

Those buttons are programmable. If you hold it during the coffee making it will remember how long you've pressed it and next time will run that long

[@cody2470]

@@DanielDeneka thank you Daniel, would you suggest setting the time without the portafilter inserted?

[@DanielDeneka]

@@cody2470 it should not matter I guess

[@giovannivalezi6723]

Why Splash water on the beans before grinding?

[@DanielDeneka]

HI, I do it to eliminate static cling from ground coffee

[@Gen_66]

Hi Daniel, I would give anything for a shot like this. I also have EC680 + Eureka Mignon XL + Bottomless portafilter. My problem is, if I grind too fine, coffee barely comes out and it's super bitter taste if I grind normal, coffee comes out way too fast, there's no way to keep the machine for 20 seconds, I would have 120 ml of water. There's just not way around it. I'm using 14 grams of fresh coffee as well. I think my machine has much more bar pressure than yours, yours seems to be operating at 9-10, mine is at least 13-15 bars I'm not sure. My water comes out really fast. Do you think this could be the difference? Because I swear, I tried 20 different types of grind settings from coarse to ultra fine, ultra ultra fine like powder. Nothing works. The moment the coffee is not like super fine grind the water comes out way too fast. And if it's super fine grind it barely comes out and it's extremely bitter! I'm so tired of this :(

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi @gen66, Eureka Mignon XL is more than capable of grinding for EC680. The problem with setting the right grind size could be related to the grinder retention - I had a Ceado e6p which is very similar to Eureka and finding a correct setting was also hard. You need to purge some coffee before the new setting is applied. But you should start from the setting where the coffee just drips & grind a bit coarser. What also could help is improved distribution using some WDT tool (wine cork with needles works just fine) and using a paper filters on top of the coffee bed (you can cut them out from pour over coffee filter/aeropress filter).

[@Gen_66]

@@DanielDeneka thank you, I will try! I still think tho our machines may have factory different brew pressure, yours seems much lower than in my machine. If only I could set mine at 9 bars I'm sure I will succeed with such a shot

[@quasimodo5177]

The holes of your Porter Filter are too big!!

[@willwang8950]

hi, I got Delonghi Dedica EC685 and a non-pressurized portafilter too and I use 16gm of bean for 2oz of coffee. I don't think I grind my coffee to fine or tamp it too hard. but coffee won't come up, but if I grind coffee coarser and don't tamp than coffee come out fine, but taste really bad. any idea to help me?

[@Haydarah313]

from where you bought naked portafilter ?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi, I did make it myself. I did cut off the bottom with a grinder. But you can buy a new one on aliexpress

[@Haydarah313]

@@DanielDeneka very smart :) i dont think i can do the same with mine, however i ordered from Aliexpress, let us see who it will looks like :)

[@Torrico97]

I have the same set up but my machine pulls a lot of water and too fast i tried finer grind and it still does the same.

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi! Are you using freshly roasted coffee beans? I mean really fresh like few days old. My second thought is you're not tamping hard enough. Are you using a plastic tamper that came with the machine?

[@Torrico97]

Daniel yeah fresh beans and no im using a metal one luxhaus brand.

[@DanielDeneka]

@@Torrico97 what grinder are you using? You're not able to "choke" the machine with the finest grind setting?

[@Torrico97]

Daniel i have a standard ditting grinder.

[@DanielDeneka]

@@Torrico97 not sure what ditting grinder is. Can you provide a brand and model name?

[@stickyamor]

Hi, where did you buy that naked portafilter?

[@DanielDeneka]

Ou Li I’ve cut off the bottom from the original one.

[@stickyamor]

Cool! does that taste better? looks really good though

[@DanielDeneka]

Ou Li you can start by just replacing basket with non pressurized one. You will need to unscrew the plastic part from the inside of the portafilter to make it fit inside. The you’ll be able to grind your coffee much finer and get a much better extraction like in a real espresso

[@benjibumble]

Daniel Deneka what did you use to cut your portafilter?

[@stickyamor]

@@benjibumble i cut it with hand saw. the metal is pretty soft

[@rinaldobrandolini1329]

Well I do not need to show how to make a coffee but I would like to be own how to clean the filter diffuser,

[@user-cf3qw2ro7o]

What is the spray used for?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi, this is to reduce electrostatic

[@user-cf3qw2ro7o]

@@DanielDeneka Can you tell me its name or where i can find it? Thank you 😘

[@DanielDeneka]

It's a plain water, no problem :)

[@user-mg9yy3gh8n]

Hi! Could you tell me, what for you are wetting beans?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi Roman! I’m doing it to prevent ground coffee from sticking to the grinders container. It’s less static

[@user-mg9yy3gh8n]

@@DanielDeneka thank you)

[@ongchengwee4855]

What basket are you using?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi, something like this one www.amazon.com/MagiDeal-Coffee-Pressurized-Breville-Delonghi/dp/B01JRH3DMS You will also need a real 51mm tamper to make it work

[@ongchengwee4855]

Hello. I have got the basket as well. However, my 51mm tamper (which works for my previous 51mm baskets) gets stuck when tamping down this basket. Do you face this as well? how did you remedy it?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi, yes this usually happens to me when I use to little coffee or it's grind to fine (then it's easier to tamp). I'm using 14,8g for this backet now and it seems to be perfect amount.

[@ongchengwee4855]

@@DanielDeneka I see. I'm getting about the same results as you, using 14 grams coffee but my tamper still gets stuck. Maybe I should try 15grams and try with a lighter tamp. Should be able to get 30grams of espresso out in under 30seconds

[@DanielDeneka]

yes, try with 15g - like I've said I'm currently using 14,8g which is perfect for my setup.

[@Sergoon12]

35sec and how many milliliters? 25?

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi, not sure but I'm always aiming for double the weight of the coffee - in this case it should be 28g. Hard to say how many milliliters because of the crema

[@Sergoon12]

@@DanielDeneka I'm just talking about espresso ... I think coffee will be delicious. Of course, a professional car is better, due to thermal stability and other factors, but for this you will need a lot of money. Hello from Russia, good luck

[@DanielDeneka]

Серёга I’m talking about the prepared coffee weight. From 14g of beens I’m preparing around 28g of espresso. The cup I’m using is 75 mililiters full. Greets from Poland :) take care!

[@blacsea08]

@@DanielDeneka 1ml water 1gr /75ml=75gr double shot ?

[@DanielDeneka]

@@blacsea08 nope - as you can see I was using a scale to weight my shot and it ended up around 28g of espresso. Espresso crema is not as dense as water. I'm guessing it was around 60ml of espresso (mostly crema) which weighted 28g

[@tomaszbaranowski8350]

Dziś zamówiłem ten ekspress ale nie bardzo już wiem jaki dokładnie zamówić filter :-) Będę wdzięczny za namiar

[@DanielDeneka]

Ostatnio zamawiałem z aliexpress, jest tego dużo. Wystarczy wpisać 'delonghi basket 51'. Proponuję raczej taki oznaczone jako '2 cup' i do tego jakis metalowy tamper (wg mnie te rozkręcane są najlepsze). Oryginalny tamper nie sprawdza się przy espresso.

[@tomaszbaranowski8350]

@@DanielDeneka takie będzie Ok ? allegro.pl/oferta/sitko-filtr-kawy-ekspresu-delonghi-na-2-filizanki-8999728396

[@DanielDeneka]

@@tomaszbaranowski8350 nie, to jest identyczne jak oryginalne. Musi byc z pojedyńczym dnem. Takie jak w zestawie z tą kolbą (wymiana kolby nie jest konieczna ale nie widzę tego sitka na allegro) allegro.pl/oferta/51mm-bezdenna-kolba-do-ekspresu-do-kawy-delonghi-10188122294

[@AhmedMohamed-xi3sf]

What’s the kind of your grinder

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi! It’s Baratza Virtuoso

[@AhmedMohamed-xi3sf]

Thank you daniel But do you have link for this grinder

[@DanielDeneka]

@@AhmedMohamed-xi3sf baratza.com/grinder/virtuoso/

[@muhfaturahmanarsyad5625]

Why i don't have crema

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi! Are you using non-pressurized basket? If yes, then key to crema is freshly roasted coffee, finely grinded just before making a shot. All the best crema!

[@muhfaturahmanarsyad5625]

@@DanielDeneka yes non pressurizes but,i i have a litle crema

[@muhfaturahmanarsyad5625]

And extraction its so fast

[@DanielDeneka]

@@muhfaturahmanarsyad5625 extraction should take 25-30 seconds. You should try grinding finer if it takes less time then that. Also a good tamper helps - it's very hard to do it right with plastic one that's included.

[@Superboy0388]

@@DanielDeneka hi there, sorry to hijack this thread . I have the same machine and also having the same issue which I was uanble to get crema. For the extraction time mentioned (25-30 seconds), how to achieve that? By holding to the button and released after the mentioned time? Thanks

[@AhmedMohamed-xi3sf]

Kind of grinder

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi! This is older version of Baratza Virtuoso, replaced by Baratza Virtuoso+

[@AhmedMohamed-xi3sf]

Daniel thanks alot

[@AlterEgon666]

U mnie to tak się sprawuje, dziękuję za inspirację. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIupp2NmlLKqoJI

[@DanielDeneka]

Profesjonalne stanowisko pracy! Widzę, że u Pana dokładniej ucięte niż u mnie. Ja ostatnio przesiadłem się na HXa, bo robienie mlecznych kaw bardzo się przedłużało. DeLonghi za to jeździ ze mną na wakacje z racji niewielkich rozmiarów. Pozdrawiam!

[@AlterEgon666]

Daniel Deneka proszę zdradzić co Pan kupił. Tez jestem przed wyborem. Chciałbym coś z E61 i PID. Pozdrawiam serdecznie.

[@DanielDeneka]

MarekMarecki aktualnie używam Oscar II od Nuova Simonelli. Nie posiada ani grupy E61 ani PID za to szybko się nagrzewa (jak na HX), daje ogromną ilość pary i co ważne - był w bardzo przystępnej cenie. Aktualnie na stronie elektros kosztuje 555EUR (trzeba coś dorzucić do OPV bo nie ma w standardzie) - za tyle nie da się kupić nic porównywalnie dobrego. Pewnie w przyszłości i jego wymienię - na coś z podłączeniem do wody i PID ale aktualnie, po 3 miesiącach użytkowania jestem bardzo zadowolony. Pozdrawiam!

[@AlterEgon666]

Daniel Deneka czytałem o tym ekspresie wiele dobrych opinii, nawet sam się nad nim zastanawiałem. Ostatecznie jednak wolę inny, klasyczny design oraz grupę E61. Jeszcze raz dziękuję za inspirację i pozdrawiam serdecznie.

[@ladybird3d461]

46 second extraction, seems too much :)

[@DanielDeneka]

Hi! could be too long, but depends how you measure it. Preinfusion ends & extraction starts at 2:45 and ends at 3:18. There are some extra droplets afterwards but that's the case if machine has no 3 way solenoid.