DELTATRAVELER SECTION 3 - Devious Susie Interactions and how to get it (Obliteration Route)

[@fox-milessavioroffoxes3782]

Susie casting Red Buster onto Kris in the Sans fight isn’t from her having the Devious status, it’s from Kris having the Devious status

[@maxti714]

Kris doesn't have the Devious status, Kris has the Deceitful status

[@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo]

⁠@@maxti714fake ACTs… Is Kris trolling the Player?

[@maxti714]

@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo Basically, yes, he told Susie and Noelle that if we did something stupid like the Red Buster, Susie would aim it to all the team in a chance of killing us

[@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo]

@@maxti714 considering the route This is Justified to make Kris Actively Try and Have the Party members get the soul whacked but why not Have Noelle Heal the enemies if Dual Heal is used?

[@maxti714]

@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo Dual Heal is for helping the team, not eradicating the enemies

[@geckoanims]

Gotta love how we went from "Your Choices don't matter" in Deltarune to "Your Actions have consequences" in Deltatraveler

[@Gru..-]

Undertale has the same thing actually, nothing new

[@daviio]

deltarune doesnt​@@Gru..-

[@z1Lun1x]

3:15 kris told them everything lmao

[@kauedasilva1072]

That’s why you gotta lay low when talking.

[@Waverly_ppl]

If you get Lesser Dogs Mercy to 100 then attack Lesser Dog dies instantly Oh and Susie says “Of course you did that.”

[@kachosuffer7]

Okay, managing to personally piss off a party member so much that they hardly follow your commands anymore, and even can straight up ATTACK you or HEAL the enemy is really cool. I don't think I've seen that before, except for allies having a "Confusion" status effect. But this is by their own doing. I really like this honestly 😅

[@twotailedpikachu8491]

It’s kind of like how in Pokemon, if you get traded a Pokemon that’s too high of a level it straight up refuses to do what you say

[@suwa77]

I think there was something like that in Earthbound... but I can't remember the details.

[@ma.2089]

@@suwa77 I can’t remember for certain but was it the part in Mother3 where you’re Salsa and the big guy who’s enslaved you is just not helping at all? I think Morher 1 also has a party member with autonomy with the robot. The robot isn’t trying to hurt you tho. tho the latter idea isn’t uncommon since persona does it too.

[@jeremiahevans6346]

​@@twotailedpikachu8491what's the next one traumatized?

[@lightningfan21]

"OKAY IM SPARING MYSELF" -Susie, 2023

[@Kai_andboarborg]

Trying to make Susie obey is like trying to have a level 85 pokemon you transferred obey to you.

[@EmikaYamane7521]

You know, for being the genocide route, i find funny how Susie can just spare herself lmao Edit: Guys, I know why she can spare herself, I'm not an idiot.

[@Moonshine568]

It shows how detached Susie is from the Player, she has complete free will unlike basically everyone else, dunno how it works as it's not explained in Deltarune but she can just....do stuff

[@tracey8121]

​@@Moonshine568she's too good for you to be in control

[@EmikaYamane7521]

@@Moonshine568 didn't need some lore explanation but ok

[@Moonshine568]

@EmikaYamane7521 sorry I don't mean to be a bother, I'll just shut up

[@Oscar-tn1rg]

@@Moonshine568that makes sense.

[@Makaibros]

God, I love Susie. If she's tired of your shit, she will end up not following your commands, as much as you want her to. We know how she's somewhat uncontrollable in Deltarune Chapter 1 until the lategame where they fight the King, so if worst comes to worse (or better for her), well... We'll pretty much end up with Chapter 1 Susie from that.

[@gameing6273]

Nah, I think we would kill her before that happens (if we get another chance to)

[@thepichumaster9354]

I’m glad devious route isn’t required for the Obliteration Route that would really suck

[@glakethesnake8107]

What is wrong with it? i mean just susie could attack or heal the enemy if using object but by looking susie logo you could know if she is going to or not, and if she is going to she could either use an action (except rude buster or ultimate healing, you know like any other) or defense

[@chastox]

I did the devious stuff and its honestly not that bad. it has indications like when noelle and susie will refuse to fight in the paula and ness fight (the changed sprite) and the only real annoying part is healing with it bc she'll just heal someone random.

[@ethanthaman2858]

@@glakethesnake8107 once you get it her portrait will ALWAYS look like that its random if she does it or not once you click the move. Edit I realize I was wrong

[@CharaTR]

2:36 WAIT THAT POSIBLE-

[@elianrobloxandifigetequipm392]

now it is ..to your team members out side of battle.

[@youyououmf8200]

She's still in your party lol

[@CharaTR]

@@elianrobloxandifigetequipm392 So what I mean is he just went into enemy mode and how was he spared in that situation?? Is this in 2 places at the same time, how mechanical is this?

[@CharaTR]

@@youyououmf8200 WITH GARIO, IS THIS IN TWO PLACES AT THE SAME TIME??

[@masterblaster38]

It's funny because I still did it and still had no problem. People here seemenly don't know that you can just... Look at the icons. Just like the the Paula fight, you can see when a party member will not do what you say. When Susie has a different icon it is when she will do different things. So if she has that icon, just defend. I don't know if you can still use an item but if you just defend nothing bad will happen, you will just lose some damage. Problems in my opinion may only arise if Noelle also gets the status in the future, however in the Paula fight you could still use dual heal, so there shouldn't be a TON of problems. Will be fun to see in future sections if the fights will be basically you against the enemy, but also having to deal with the party doing other actions in other turns and Kris changing the placement of act's and putting fake ones to make you have to look closely to see if it is a real ot fake ACT command.

[@spiritbaki108]

When section 2 first came out, there was no indicator for disobedience

[@voidfloof]

we get a ton of clues for when stuff's going sideways

[@masterblaster38]

@@spiritbaki108 Really? I played very early the section 2 when It came out and you could see during the Paula fight when Noelle or Susie would not attack.

[@masterblaster38]

@@voidfloof Yeah you get a ton of clues, that's why I am surprised to see people say that they would had been able to do the route withaut those like if the state was a Big deal, when it is really just a minor inconvinience. In fact, I would like that they were obligatory, as they add a lot to the personality of Susie and overall to the route.

[@alsartsavience3512]

I think she can still use healing items, but will give them to Noelle instead of Kris.

[@Rainstar1234]

love how red buster is just an instant death button

[@modernprometheus99]

This is really cool to see! Given both Kris and Susie can be given specific words that alter actions in battle, I wonder if Noelle would get one at one point too? It would have to be something pretty extreme, but eh I could see it!

[@blackcat5333]

Noelle gets tired of your shit and casts Snowgrave on you

[@Frisk_Afterdying]

​@@blackcat5333she needs thorn ring to do that and that thorn ring don't exist in deltatravller not only that but um she can cast a really strong ice shock tho

[@I_love_space.]

A nice detail is that when susie using rude buster, it actually using tp

[@F_rau]

I think the Red Buster thing is intentional in Obliteration Route, devious or not So don't pay much attention to that part, lmao

[@zheryy]

you're correct

[@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan]

Ok I was about to comment that. Also it was incredibly evil design for that to happen in general, I literally tried it twice because I was wondering if it was a chance thing, then I died and then just took the fight seriously

[@vavalaz]

So, uhh... do you know if it's needed for this route? Since I didn't get any sounds when I said ''you hit me???'' but Susie didn't get devious either, and I really don't want to replay everything again, so uhh... would it be okay if you could paste your save file here, sorry if this is a bit much. Thanks!

[@zheryy]

@@vavalaz no

[@vavalaz]

alr, thanks for telling me@@zheryy

[@beefboss5979]

I feel like there's going to be a point where Susie will try spare enemies against your will, and you'll need to intentionally "kill" her in battle if you want to stay on the Obliteration Route

[@BrenninEthan903]

I chose the "shut up" and "I want you dead" options because they were the most aggressive (I wanted to play my part in being a "demon"), and look where that got me lmao.

[@T_DotTH]

Serve you right lol!

[@BrenninEthan903]

@@T_DotTH it sure did. lol.

[@Darwidx]

You acted provoked to Kris words, lol

[@BrenninEthan903]

@@PhilAndMind yes. It sucked.

[@BrenninEthan903]

@@PhilAndMind after that, I ALWAYS save after grinding.

[@Sylvia_Corvidev]

I got devious Susie on my playthrough, assuming you had to pick the most clearly horrid options to stay true to the route... since there's only 3 save slots, and the other 2 are already taken up by Pacifist and Neutral, I guess I'm stuck with it! That'll make things interesting.

[@ywead2298]

You did not show what happens if you freeze Sans to death with Noelle. In my playthrough, Susie got angry and threw away her weapon asking how we knew what to do.

[@chastox]

Another thing that this does. If you iceshock Sans at the end Susie will throw away her branch. Most likely not being in any future fights, at least until she gets a new weapon. It kind of makes me hope that we CAN kill Susie. As much as I love her.

[@modernprometheus99]

She also refuses to equip new ones, and given the context unless it's for a fight against us I kinda doubt she's gonna get a new one. She definitely does a good bit less damage without her stick.

[@MobilePortingz]

4:50 I Thought This Was A Mettaton Leg ;-;

[@NintendoNerd64]

only susie could find a way to spare herself

[@4FourLeafClover4]

This fight actually made me sad for some reason

[@turca7461]

If you mean the Lesser Dog fight, then yeah you'd have to be actually sadistic to not have any guilt over killing him. You're given ~20 seprate chances to spare him, and if you have before its... really wholesome, it actually made me smile when I played the pacifist route. But in the obliteration route, you just hack at it until it's shield breaks, the flavor text literally says that he's so terrified he's going to faint (Likely literally as he has the tired status), It's overall just a very bleak fight.

[@likoq.deadcall5219]

Yeah, same Also based Clover pfp

[@4FourLeafClover4]

@@likoq.deadcall5219 ty I made it myself

[@SpidersofGod]

boy am I glad I just picked the top option cause I would be screwed if I got devious susie

[@namesurname8474]

There's something so funny about that status screen. The gang do be acting a little deceptive.

[@monkegaming5091]

When i got devious susie i thought it was the right thing to do i expected each party member to have a negative effect but nope turns out i just made myself get stuck with susie what sometimes messes up her attack

[@NokoTheTaco]

Could be mandatory for a complete Obliteration Route.

[@Toprak135]

That last one was peak trolling.

[@leonelzubieta8636]

I feel like with this people is gonna do a challenge where they fight sans with only kris standing in 1hp

[@leonelzubieta8636]

Wait, what if there is a secret dialogue if you successfully do a no hit after that

[@christi_7031]

​@@leonelzubieta8636 you cant i think, if you distract only you can attack in that turn but im not sure

[@leonelzubieta8636]

@@christi_7031 Sans is distracted until you atack

[@JulianJoel-b6v]

5:25 sans:dang thanks susie Sans later:Y O U O R P H A N

[@aperson6637]

5:17 best shocked face ever

[@Frisk_Afterdying]

5:16 the fact kris makes that face you know your getting red bustered

[@Jpmako0]

True hardmode 😈

[@mrdabrow]

I did the exact thing you showed and didn't get devious, in fact, when I chose anything else the game reverted to a neutral route. Also, the red buster appears after Kris talks with others and reveals his eyes.

[@Ajdin_1103]

I GOT HER DEVIOUS, NOOOOOOO

[@mello-by]

1:00 can susie actually kill you?

[@theultimatefusion7265]

Yep

[@geckoanims]

Yep, didn't fight Lesser Dog for quite some time cause I thought its an endless Spam designed to kill you

[@omryaser5606]

OH YEAH if you dont want susie got done then dont choose "i want you dead"

[@nbirckett09]

I was a dumbass and didn’t realize I could use red buster vs fell sans the first time, I now see this was somehow a blessing lmao.

[@rich_gamer0667]

But is it normal that in last fight red buster attacks me? Even if it isn't devious

[@realyes]

i think it also happens in the no mercy route

[@F_rau]

Yeah, I thought it only happened with devious Susie

[@brad377]

​@@F_rauIt doesn't happen in non-genocide runs

[@skytheidiott]

​​@@F_rauthat's Kris's deceitful nature at play. They're putting up fake ACTS that hurt you instead of help you

[@luigikirbo9026]

it happens because kris becomes deceitful in the obliteration route and sets up a fake version of red buster that'll target kris and the team instead of the enemy (in hopes of killing the player)

[@theawesomestickythestickman]

this actually happened to me accidently when i played through the obliteration route i thought it was to continue the obliteration route,lol

[@MrAkckido]

Also, if you cast ice shock in sans when he is tired while susie is devious, she throws her branch away

[@xandronius]

You missed one thing, if you kill horror tale with ice magic while susie is devious you get special dialogue.

[@suko5050]

Wait there is a android version?? Where can i get it ?

[@davidgomeznicolasgome]

5:17 Kris: SUSIE WTF Red sans:... Well is my lucky day

[@randomguyonthe1nternet]

Ok i think it's because of kris deceitful trait and not suspension because i saw a comment saying thst kris puts a fake act to hurt us the player

[@irfanlol1]

i picked shut up and then picked wanted to see what happen because i thought i want you dead would kill me here because kris would stab me, but nope

[@markthegamerofgrima6159]

That happens when you kill one of the lover dogs, but spare the other

[@thegamerFOX45]

are the monsters just stupid if you dont want to die just spare yourself its that easy

[@geckoanims]

It's because Susie is still Part of the Party, in a Way

[@Penguin4868-oo5ij]

WAIT THIS ISNT INTENDED???? LIKE I GOT IT FOR NO REASON????

[@Ajdin_1103]

Me too

[@monkegaming5091]

Same bro

[@MyUsernameIsGoofy]

0:29 Come on man, Susie's ultimate heal could have healed that 😭

[@Sanker1]

5:16 susie cast Red buster wasnt it called Rude buster?

[@indeed0010]

It is a diferent attack your team can do during bosses

[@rewg4662]

red buster is the buffed version by the soul

[@Sanker1]

@@rewg4662 oh, that's interesting

[@steveminecraft5887]

Being hit with a red buster cannot be fun. Especially as a light world human Also does pressing the interact button during red buster still deal more damge if it hits kris?

[@geckoanims]

No, it does not increase

[@SansBR256]

* I'm never getting devious Susie ever again bro

[@Xx__xX-bn7ch]

Look at lesser dogs face he doesn’t deserve that also greater dog ain’t having your shit

[@elliecassar1881]

curious, what happens if u choose different dialogue options when susie is asking u stuff before she becomes devious? does that change anything?

[@lackluster4777]

If you'll answer "You hit me???" Susie just frustratingly answers "Okay, shut up and let's go" or something like that.

[@ryanmondoux9441]

Special dialogue happens if you cast red buster: “it’s okay Susie… I understand…. I guess..”

[@texus835]

I just want to know if you have to get her to devious to change much, because I only have three saves.

[@bIowi]

Wait do i have to do this to continue my route? Cause if i actually have to do this then i would kms, susie was literally carrying me throughout my run, casting rude buster to everyone so if i have to make her this status then im fucked do i really have to or no?

[@thisisausername9356]

You do not. I picked the "You hit me????" Option and i'm still on the Obliteration Route. According to the wiki you don't even have to hit her but that doesn't sound right

[@Insert_Name_Here908]

@@thisisausername9356You don’t, since either way she never dies

[@thisisausername9356]

@@Insert_Name_Here908 Ohhh ok! While I knew she wouldn't die, I assumed that 'showing restraint' would be enough to get you out of the route

[@mrnobodyaskedyou8995]

killing lesser dog is worse than the obliteration route

[@fierdrages6523]

So like. Is attacking Susie required for obliteration? Is her being devious required?

[@F_rau]

I think you can spare her, what I am sure of is that having her devious is not necessary for Obliteration

[@BinhNguyen-uw8iw]

How did you get it on mobile???

[@hammondtan2738]

Idk

[@Ashley_Prides]

There's official mobile port on gamejolt page what are you talking about ☠️

[@BinhNguyen-uw8iw]

@@Ashley_Prides but WHERE I'M BLIND

[@Ashley_Prides]

@@BinhNguyen-uw8iw the three dots next to download link

[@BinhNguyen-uw8iw]

@@Ashley_Prides I see

[@HORSECONSUMER]

how the hell did you beat paula on mobile i camt even do it on pc what tha hell

[@hotson6728]

and this what changes in the main gameplay?

[@Enzobananudo]

Yo i have a question, why didnt susie die? We cant kill party members or something?

[@beefboss5979]

My best guess is that she was simply DOWNED by us like she would be by any other enemy

[@Enzobananudo]

@@beefboss5979 Ohhh that makes sense

[@tomasxd]

How do you get deltatravel mobile version?

[@attoblaze3395]

You know its nice to see the soul getting blamed for once and everyone hating you, not kris, but i really do wonder: What does kris think about us during pacifist? We know he despises us during obliteration, but does he like us when we spare everyone? Is he afraid of us? Does he think we are trying to manipulate everyone? What about when we allow him to say he dislikes us? Is he relieved? Or is he worried? From what we know it seems like kris is extremely worried that we will eventually just snap or that we are just being nice because we are bored. It seems like kris has no more of an idea of our motives than we have of his. I really wonder how the relationship between us and kris will develop over the coming chapters.

[@thisisausername9356]

From what I gathered in my Pacifist playthrough, it seems like Kris definitely doesn't LIKE it. But they definitely have noticed you mean no harm. They just want their body back

[@nonamenow7430]

Никто не знает почему на геноцид сансе спадает devios у сьюзи?

[@CutWat]

Wait, I thought it was normal because I got this on my obliteration run lol, I literally wanted to kill Susie because she was always in the way, so telling her I wanted her dead was as close as I could get and yes, knowing that it's possible I also wanna kill Noelle lol

[@PoyoPowerPlant]

That’s just messed up. Genuinely feeling that way about the characters kind of proves you have harmful lack of attachment to characters in general (or haven’t played the source material, most likely).

[@chastox]

@@PoyoPowerPlant "harmful" I love susie and noelle but it's not "harmful" to not be attached to them. They are VIDEO GAME characters. Not real living people.

[@TrulySomeone]

@@PoyoPowerPlant bro it is NOT that serious

[@Elevifty]

@@PoyoPowerPlant this is like saying no one should play genocide route lmao

[@gamertypeawesome]

​@@PoyoPowerPlantnot my favourite pixels!!!!

[@EchoC4]

The "devious" and "deceitful" status effects disappeared during snowdin town Am I still on the obliteration route?

[@derekspradling7452]

I think in obliteration, they want to believe that each of the worlds was just a dream. There’s some dialogue about it at the end of section 2 obliteration. That could be why you’re devious and deceitful stats go away. Remember to kill the mole in waterfall and you should be fine. It’ll make a sound when you’ve aborted the route.

[@yasd8493]

They didn't go away in my obliteration run so you probably aborted it, not sure though.

[@EchoC4]

@@derekspradling7452 oh right about forgot about the mole Thanks!

[@FramedOrpheus23]

You don't even need them

[@akfbqoabepajsoa]

​@@FramedOrpheus23deceitful is instant though

[@MicheleRodrigues-i5m]

is it obrigatory to kill lesser dog for the purgatory route?

[@F_rau]

For the Obliteration Route? Yeah

[@Antlerclide]

i didnt know that there is already a deltatraveller mobile :0

[@ImWaffles]

How to fight Lesser Dog only with Kris and Susie???

[@akfbqoabepajsoa]

Obteration route exclusive(Noelle decides she doesnt want to murder a dog)

[@The.ennard807]

If susie is not devious you aborted genocide?

[@Enargedguy]

Me pov : HOW THE DID SHE SPARED HERSELF 😭😭😭

[@RigOfRoyalty]

what are all the red status effects the characters can get

[@beefboss5979]

Kris, I believe, becomes "deceitful" after the talk in Q.C.'s house, and Susie's "devious" status goes into effect after saying "shut up"/"I want you dead". So far, Noelle doesn't have a special red effect

[@MyUsernameIsGoofy]

Pretty sure there's 3 rn: Concussion (On Kris, decreases stats) Deceitful (On Kris, Red busters hits you instead) Devious (On susie, makes her not do what you want)

[@zhe6th215]

What does kris's deceitful mean?

[@denplay076]

He ACTs wrong red (and maybe rude) busters on player

[@zhe6th215]

@@denplay076 they*

[@chastox]

red buster will be cast onto the team. thats all for now.

[@markthegamerofgrima6159]

@@zhe6th215does it REALLY matter right now?

[@zhe6th215]

@@markthegamerofgrima6159 yeah

[@Sanker1]

cool

[@isaiahmanis2006]

Ha you got it on your phone two no way

[@santiagofigarola]

How do you play on Android?

[@iljoker4697]

Is on gamejolt

[@OliverLX6]

This game have an official port on android

[@iljoker4697]

but that what it implies?

[@Daniel-et2ce]

How is it on mobile?

[@DraconicGamer13]

Is getting Susie with the devious status a requirement for the obliteration route?

[@F_rau]

Nope

[@DraconicGamer13]

@@F_rau thank you for the info 👍

[@NokoTheTaco]

@@F_rau is this fact checked by the actual creator?

[@F_rau]

@@NokoTheTaco I have a save file where I am on the Obliteration Route without Devious Susie So, no, it's not obligatory

[@beefboss5979]

I'm guessing that it'll lead to an ultra-tough Susie boss fight later down the line, but it's not required for Obliteration as of right now

[@TheInvertedBox]

How dare u kill lesser dog

[@TheBeanFlowerSeed]

How you play deltatraveler on mobile?

[@iljoker4697]

The apk is on gamejolt

[@arloklenczon6811]

Ok, I didn't get Devious Susie. I hope I didn't accidentally abort my Obliteration Route.

[@geckoanims]

Nope, it's fine

[@EricCartman-tl4qv]

You can PLAYON MOBILE?!

[@iljoker4697]

Gamejolt

[@sillaboom7517]

do you need to get susie devious for genocide or not

[@modernprometheus99]

Nope. You don't need to do this interaction; just kill lesser dog and attack Susie, but it doesn't matter what you say.

[@true-sun-godsunflower5563]

que bendi ser primero

[@robotplushie7675]

How do you play this game in mobile?

[@bobbybradley2253]

Is devious status needed for obliteration?

[@F_rau]

Nope