Naomi Klein on Her New Book "Doppelganger" & How Conspiracy Culture Benefits Ruling Elite

[@Rustea314]

If the oligarchy can get the Americans to believe government is the problem, Americans will accept privatization of public good. Private education, prisons, water system, etc.. (next is parks an public spaces). I remember a government that could put a man on moon, educate children, build public highways and take care of the poor. And now.

[@almacforshizzle5343]

They will 100% win

[@carynmartin6053]

But the oligarchs are the government!🎉😂😮 The own and control all of the important influenial politicians and lawmakers!🎉😂😮

[@rubberbiscuit99]

We are not helpless against the oligarchs. The evidence that privatization fails is mounting. The trouble is that we are weakened by the media environment, and easily distracted from reality by whatever crisis is whipped up for our consumption. We have internalized this mindset to where we catastrophize with even the slightest stimulus. But we can recognize the patterns at work and put a stop to them. Unity in resistance, and a shared focus on goals, are a couple of the things we need to turn it around. People have the power.

[@GnosticChild]

Why can't you do all that without government

[@isthisshit4real]

​@@GnosticChild- You can. It's called anarchy, which is organized society without government. But we have been SO brainwashed and cultured to FEAR the WORD anarchy - to think it means something VIOLENT and SCARY, we cling to our DOMINANT, VIOLENT, OPPRESSIVE oligarchic overloads. Who are pushing us towards techno-totalitarianism.

[@thetawaves48]

I am a child of the 60's, when the Vietnam War and the Civil Rights Movement were taking place at the same time. I thought that things would change. But like the old saying goes, "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

[@Erschophone]

"Plus ça change, plus c'est pire…"

[@James-hm9on]

Sad but true

[@rogbrogb5341]

We didn't take the changes far enough. We needed, and still need, a socialist revolution. We needed to be better educated, and better salespeople of such ideas. Of course, we were up against corporate media that encouraged people to close their minds. I think Einstein's "Why Socialism", (8 pgs.) is a good way to cut through the commiephobia. I think too, it would help if the Stalinist groups could admit that things did go wrong in the Soviet Union, overreactions to the crises caused by the 14 capitalist nations' "White Armies" invasion, a history chapter most Americans don't know about. (Not everyone on the left is Stalinist; there are Trotskyists, Anarchists, Social Democrats...)

[@criztu]

Yes because we are deceived by this "Left vs Right" dialectics. Look at this Naomi Klein, talking and talking and talking about this and that. She doesn't produce her own food. She is dependent on the very synthetic reality she abhores. She claims she fights for a better system, while she gets social security and retirement from this system. Lol?

[@rubberbiscuit99]

For those of us who function as scapegoats in dysfunctional and narcissistic family systems, the experience of being treated as someone other than who you are is an experience we understand deeply. To step out of our assigned family role is to become more ourselves, and yet, within our family structure, doing this is viewed as a betrayal of who we used to be and of the whole family system. Our society has many larger dysfunctional groups that function the same way, with scapegoating to distort and distract from the real issues. I look forward to reading this book. Thank you!

[@lovely-mk4rt]

Well written and ( in my case) absolutely true.

[@jhaduvala]

Succinct and 100% accurate.

[@marvelmusic4566]

wow. You could be talking about my family. It's like no one really knows me but me. Can't say how many countless times someone has said I'm this or that and I've thought 'In your dreams buddy'. Like being stubborn? Only called that when I refuse to do what they want. Conceited? When I stick up for myself believing I deserve better. "Who do you think you are?" because I stick up for myself and demand better than what they're giving. Trusting yourself means no one can gas light you and boy, do they get mad about that. Ditching them when their treatment becomes unacceptable? Not wrong. Don't let anyone tell you differently.

[@denine5232]

Well said!

[@jeffhuett101]

Ironic that you would leave this comment on a video that is actively gaslighting you.

[@CedRockStarr]

This is for people who believe the establishment just needs a few small tweaks to improve and we’ll be okay…. This is for people who believe “Hey, we just need to vote the republicans out of office and things will get better.”

[@thefunhouse-jayburchfinear7617]

she is just awefull. she must know she stays in a lane that sounds just smart enough for wine moms to feel smart voting for Biden again, but keeps it all just dumb enough to keep you seeing a bigger picture you need to get proactive and fight. a big picture Biden will do nothing to make better.

[@23Butanedione]

Democrats cause more chaos than Republicans

[@fatherno5721]

THis klein chik seems like the ultimate lefftie warrior!

[@presterjohn1697]

@@fatherno5721 Do lefties ignore the bank accounts of protesters being frozen by the government?

[@christopherciolko2401]

Members of the current establishment rightly fear a wholesale revolution because they're being well served by the status quo

[@Ana-vz3uj]

I read Naomi Wolfe's 'The Beauty Myth' when I was an adolescent girl struggling with an eating disorder. I found it really helpful to turn a critical eye to the pressures put on women and the way we can become opresesd by them. I believe it's a really important piece of feminist literature and it had a huge positive impact on life. It's such a shame that she's had this strange turn.

[@marisaortizavila]

Maybe Wolfe didn't have such a big turn, maybe it was the DNC and media that navigates as 'liberal' who had a big turn and are now in bed with Big Pharma...

[@catlover-fo1jy]

Wolfe hasn't changed. Klein has! Fascist thru and thru.

[@movenlaughwithnat9045]

Naomi Wolf speaks the truth unlike this Naomi

[@paddlefar9175]

It is strange that Naomi Wolf, a second wave feminist would sidle up with people like Steve Bannon and the Alt Right who are trying to take away women’s rights.

[@ciciKoenig]

You may want to actually read her recent books before taking Klein's word for it. Klein (as well as Democracy Now) could have contacted Wolf at any point to actually speak with her and ask 'why she's taken this turn' in your words. They chose not to. Neither Klein nor Democracy Now mentions the huge $$$ Klein's husband has taken re: his role in PharmaCare. Wolf's work points out the corruption in the pharmaceutical industry. Well, can't have that when you're taking pharma money!

[@belindahanley7582]

We need to treat everyone respectfully. Most of what we want is the same

[@papalegba6796]

No, it really is not.

[@eemoogee160]

You didn't get the memo. We are supposed to fight over non class issues and allow the ruling class to continue their exploitation.

[@9000ck]

Many of us want money and power and to beat the other person in a fight. Sorry. These are not aspects of human nature deserving of much respect. Respect humans of good faith? Absolutely. Respect lying bullshit artists out for maximum clout no matter which vulnerable group is attacked? No thanks.

[@eemoogee160]

@9000ck I've been observing the feedback loop of otherizing and shunning for many years. The results are not positive. The exact opposite approach is what is needed. You must understand in order to be understood.

[@sebaldc.2681]

That also means that teh host from Democracy Now has to let her speak her last sentence, in this interview.

[@timharbert7145]

So, both sides are being played by corporations?

[@humboldthammer]

Factions and Fictions are in play. hint: Secret Societies. Vicarius Filii Dei adds up to 666 in Roman Numerals and Old Latin -- Revelation 13: 18. Now take a good look at the Jesuits' Black Pope. Trump is AntiChrist. ALL the Pentecostal Prophets proclaimed Trump chosen by God in 2016. Matthew 24: 24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets . . . deceive the very elect. Great Re-Set on 09/23/26, the autumn equinox of the US' and the illuminati's 250th year. That's when they'll unveil the NEON GAUD.

[@Rustea314]

End Citizen United.

[@deborahrivera6064]

YES! And no one is asking why.

[@StarrlaRo]

​@@Rustea314we end citizens united things will be much clearer for all and "we the people" will start to get our politicians back.

[@padajsiloinepravdo6299]

These mega corp bastards needs a good gulaging .

[@jasonsanders8091]

The fact is that the covid19 vax wasn't put through the normal safety tests. Despite being a completely new form of technology, viz messenger RNA, it was rushed out and coerced onto the general population. So I salute RFKjnr and Naomi Wolf for bringing their good intellects to the fight to bring back freedom to choose our medicines, without coercion by powerful state players.

[@nova4005]

Right, Naomi Klein conveniently didn't reveal what Naomi Wolf has been investigating the past three years and talking about on Steve bannon's show. She brought together hundreds of healthcare workers and scientists to comb through the thousands of pages of Pfizer trial documents, which the public only saw because a court-ordered demanded they be released for peer review. I don't understand why Naomi Klein considers this a fantasy conspiracy in a mirror world. Yes, Naomi Wolf has talked about China somewhat, but her primary work has been around side effects reported in the Pfizer documents. RFKJ has been spreading the word to that none of the increasing number of childhood vaccines have been tested against a placebo, and the newly-added covid vaccine has not gone through long-term trials (since the Pfizer and moderna trials were closed after ten months when the placebo group was given the injection). This is always shocking when people hear this and really get it. Are Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein are "pro-vaxers" meaning they fully support giving pharmaceutical drugs to babies and kids that haven't been tested against placebos, and haven't completed long-term trials???? Reducing the impact of pharmaceutical drugs on the complex biological system of our body to name-calling like anti-vaxxer is immature.

[@karenburns9952]

Naomi Wolfe is getting the Pfizer Documents out to save us.

[@shyft09]

In hindsight, the vaccine roll out was an excellent decision. Vilifying masks was horrifyingly stupid, so what is your issue? In a pandemic, there is no time to do safety tests on the virus. All people know is that it could be devastatingly bad. As it turned out the virus was _average_ and only resulted in what, several million deaths?

[@mcgoombs]

You missed the point.

[@jasonsanders8091]

@@mcgoombs What point was that?

[@FrancieMacleod-j6h]

I would like to see you invite Naomi Wolf on you show to explain her position. That would be fair, and informative.

[@marvelmusic4566]

Informative? Why would you find Ms. Wolf informative? She's nuts. People who believe in conspiracies do so for their own, personal, reasons. Usually for some personal gain they are not entitled to and don't deserve and it's the only way to get it. So add manipulative to the motivation.

[@tomj5062]

@@marvelmusic4566 Every story has at least two sides to it. What kind of person only wants to hear one side of the argument or just part of the information? Not giving Wolf the right to reply is unethical. It goes against the principles of good journalism and makes this piece lack integrity. Journalists should present both sides of an argument and let the people decide. This is just propaganda. There used to be proper journalist covering real stories, not so many these days. All I see is propaganda piece after propaganda piece. Us old timers know what constitutes real journalism and this is no where near the real deal. It does not even try to be balanced?

[@TennisTitansTV]

Informative because we feel able to make up our own minds, to listen and think critically.@@marvelmusic4566

[@Troooosdale]

Yes, and RFK jr

[@woodyshelton7935]

Fair and informative is not the goal here. Just cast aspersions and judgments; for god’s sake, don’t care to listen to the other side.

[@aboutdawntoday]

Naomi Klein puts a name to that which had created the sneaking suspicion we are missing something critical in the analysis of what is unfolding before our eyes. This explains so much which was almost incomprehensible. And she is kind.

[@T-aka-T]

Yes It's been interesting to see that the fascistically inclined never come up with anything new. Trump in particular, especially lately, turns everything said against him into an accusation about Biden/democrats. Like a distorted mirror. But never anything new, original or policy-based.

[@jo-annerichardson34]

Absolutely 💯

[@sew_gal7340]

Never even heard of her or her doppelganger but this lady sounds just as nutty if not nuttier than the other naomi

[@outdoors-s4m]

❤❤

[@Uncle-Ruckus-]

Who gives a shit if she's kind or not? "Is she correct?" is the _real_ question.

[@sscoppettone]

What Naomi Klein is describing about deplatforming is the reason Kennedy wants to talk to people on the right. By not talking to people outside of the progressive bubble, you're not engaging them with your ideas.

[@robgrays2189]

Naomi Klein has given the gift to all of us...a window into the world that we all need to see rather than follow blindly.

[@FM-ln2sb]

Tell that to all the Russiagaters, BlueAnon DNC liberals. Including staff at the Intercept where Klein works.

[@soulfireonfire6423]

She’s double speaking Wake up

[@ciciKoenig]

Um... you might want to read Naomi Wolf's recent books. Klein could have at any time spoken to Wolf to ask her about her views. She chose not to. Wolf is a critic of pharmaceutical companies and their government toadies. Klein's husband takes pharma money (which she never disclosed, an embarrassing conflict of interest). Not to investigate when only one side is presented is, more or less, to follow blindly.

[@gregf542]

Naomi Klein seems like a character out of Orwell's 1984....Wake up!!

[@kylemichaelreaves]

I find the distinction between conspiracy theory and conspiracy culture very helpful and clarifying.

[@almacforshizzle5343]

The distinction is clearly, truth, and people whom speak and know the truth. Peace Love & Grace my good man

[@papalegba6796]

Criminal conspiracies do not exist even though all members of law enforcement investigate them.

[@johnsmith5139]

Klein clearly distinguishes between conspiracy culture - which is often self-contradictory and filled with baseless conspiracy theories - and conspiracy theories that are, in fact, true, such as the government-corporate conspiracy to overthrow Allende. You should listen to the interview before you run rampant in the comments section..@@papalegba6796

[@iknow2145]

people who conspire to commit one conspiracy might commit other conspiracies that is why it's a culture that encompasses more than a single conspiracy. is that hard to understand? she isn't a genius for her differentiation here unless you're too dim to grasp the obvious.

[@river4462]

⁠@@papalegba6796a conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or hurtful....well wouldn't that include criminal conspiracies? Truthers only go after these atrocious groups, like big gov, big medical, big pharma.....for the truth when any conspiracy has been committed and is now out in the open.

[@carlosenriquegonzalez-isla6523]

Yeah, This world is completely crazy, now a days when I heard Amy Goodman talking about the war in Ukraine I think I am listening MSNBC or NPR

[@eugeniebreida]

Couldn't agree more. So surprised Amy is now pro-war.

[@greatmcluhansghost7134]

so where do you stand on this whole covid thing? is it the same as CBS had? or Colbert? or Schwarzenegger? or RFK,jr? or Rogan? what's the truth? can we stick our necks out and say our truths and discuss it? or do we fear being ostracized or losing our jobs? this has become the 3rd taboo subject w/ religion and politics. no one?

[@willdrewing4049]

This video needs to be fact checked. I can't find anything about a truck convoy protest surrounding Canada's mass grave problem. I can find reporting of two separate convoys, one addressing vaccine mandates for border crossing and the other addressing vaccine mandates in general. I've read what both Naomis wrote about Occupy Wallstreet. Wolf addressed draconian measures to crush the protests, Klein wrote a confusing piece seemingly aimed at confusing the meaning of the movement. Her smear here of RFK JR. is ridiculous. I'm very disappointed with Democracy Now for this segment.

[@DJWESG1]

Ok

[@willdrewing4049]

@@DJWESG1 cool, thanks for stepping up. Let us know what you find!

[@fredgarvinMP]

@@willdrewing4049 I think the mass grave thing has been debunked.

[@malgosia7426]

Also disappointed

[@derrycklamptey]

For those who are captive audience to this (not any of us), this material is like dessert on a satisfying meal. Why would they bother to look any further, or go and fact-check?

[@reginafelizardo987]

When I become a millionaire I will buy a thousand copies of this book and drop them off at every waiting area of my surrounding area.

[@idicula1979]

It’s very important that we not be divided by the media and their relentless spin and manipulation. We all want to be heard, but first we must relentlessly search for the truth, by first questioning our true purpose.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Sadly, we've been divided by media manipulators many years. Is it too late? Perhaps folks can strengthen and identify their most important/urgent needs and desires to focus on priority's they love and which speak to them.

[@Yabroproductions33]

NPR and Democracy Now hasn’t had an unbiased report in a decade.

[@karenburns9952]

While people like Amy Goodman distorts the truth. Under the name Democracy Now. This is Hillary and Nancy’s Democracy….

[@Dragrath1]

@@Yabroproductions33 There is no such thing as an "unbiased" source because much of human bias is implicit something we are not consciously aware of due to how we individually frame our worldviews, how we respond to existing incentive structures, how we interact with others and form communities etc. This is why its critical to take a look at multiple sources and the evidence they present and analyze it critically, the closer you look the more nuance and detail comes into view. The issues we face are complicated and not easily resolved in large part because the incentive structures of our society drive the underlying problems and entrenched systems are often difficult to change. Humans are prone to focusing on the evidence which supports our existing beliefs and ignoring that which challenges our own views, this is something that can be corrected for and addressed but it requires constant vigilance.

[@Yabroproductions33]

Totally agree. It’s not smart to create an echo chamber and only feed it supporting views. That being said, CEO John Lansing ran US propaganda media like Voice of America and Radio Free Europe; NPR is supposed to be informative, not divisive. They have NEVER been so pro war till Ukraine, which is an American corporate dispute costing innocent lives on both sides for profit. They have become the very thing they set out to prevent, homogenized conformity.

[@RachelWakefield11]

Q-Anon is a conspiracy theory. "The government and media may not be telling the truth because they are heavily influenced by corporate money" is not a conspiracy theory, it is a reasonable statement that Naomi Klein's younger self would have agreed with. The fact that some right-wing people are saying it too does not make it wrong. And yet that's the whole argument here: Wolf talks to right-wing people so she must be wrong. Not exactly top-notch critical thinking. Fwiw I used to love both Naomis and have read most of their books. Never had trouble telling them apart. But one Naomi abandoned her values in exchange for career success, and it's not Wolf.

[@papalegba6796]

Cognitive infiltration. Google it.

[@lapanthanim]

When did Klein imply corporations aren't influencing governments? She mentioned many times there are truths mixed in with the lies (lies such as the stuff about specific groups of people being targeted by Covid) and she mentioned that there are problems with media. The interview didn't go in the direction of detailing these things.

[@fanemanelistu9235]

You missed Klein's point, which is that Wolf does say the right things, but then when it comes to doing she supports the exact opposite policies, which makes her dangerous: Wolf taps into people's discontent with her rhetoric in order to enlist their support for far-right policies.

[@papalegba6796]

Neither of them have a point. Which is the point of cognitive infiltration 😂

[@joangordoneieio]

ah yes. To use their language Wolf has become right wing adjacent

[@naomixx177]

I’m a leftist but when she refers to the right and not the left, I just feel like she’s not being honest. Let’s be fair.

[@betsydooner6422]

I wonder if you will ask Naomi wolf on maybe to defend her self I am curious about Naomi wolfs response I can’t find her

[@Nopadope]

Check literally any right wing news source…she’s there.

[@davidamaral2577]

Amy, shame on you for misrepresenting RFK's "actual" comment.. your phrasing reminds me of how Fox News and CNN takes quotes out of context.. somewhat hypocritical of Klein, wrt to the misquoting RFK, is the fact that she only focused on the Jewish part of what RFK said.. he also included Chinese in his comment... but I guess focusing on just the Jew part help with her own "conspiracy"?

[@markkremer7908]

Malicious

[@matthewkopp2391]

Amy should have pointed out that Jill Stein was accused of being anti-vax, and should have asked how is that different? There is a difference between RFK and Stein, RFK does not even support Medicare4all Stein and JFK did. Naomi’s point still stands, but she should be challenged on this detail.

[@Presence64]

Shouldn’t Naomi Wolf be invited to the show to defend herself? What is the value of a show when only one side is presented?

[@barb2793]

Thank you. I thought the same thing. It is very ugly that Klein is slicing and dicing Naomi Wolf, without giving Wolf an opportunity to present her point of view. And it is really ugly to see a woman do this to another woman.

[@redberdyaev6648]

I think Klein was extreme polite in her description of Wolf. She's far more charitable, than I, or a lot of other people would be, about Ms. Wolf. All I see from Klein is a quite measured and well thoughout critique of hard right and conspiracist forces. For the record, I think Ms. Wolf has been consistently a moron, regardless of political affliation. Bringing her on would be an irritating waste of time.

[@jonquills66]

Welcome to modern broadcasting. The idea of 'right of reply' is now regarded as outdated and burdensome. Tbh, it would be a massive pain in the arse to get the Naomi's together and could easily descend into a shouting match (often happens when when two protagonists are put together) resulting in zero discussion about ideas and ends up about egos. This format provides more opportunities for analysis, challenging questions and nuance. Even public broadcasters working under a charter of 'balance' (none claim to be 'unbiased') can argue that having an alternative view from Klein's at a later time or date, is evidence that the broadcaster is presenting balanced opinions in the long run.

[@robertamineo477]

Been asking for months for Amy/Democracy Now to interview RFK Jr. Why not? It's weird that this hasn't happened.

[@mischevious]

Because Amy most likely agrees with DN donors, that support the DNC, that support their donors, primarily Wall St, big Pharma and national security contractors. RFK’s message is contrary to all of their motives and they’re running the show now, him becoming President is every bit as unacceptable as a Sanders Presidency would have been. Why would they allow themselves to be targeted? Obviously they won’t.

[@malgosia7426]

Yes it makes me start to doubt the authenticity of DN

[@barb2793]

For the same reason why they didn't allow Naomi Wolf onto this show to defend herself and present her facts. It's because the facts are not on Democracy Now/Amy/Klein's side so they just ridicule and marginalize JFK and Wolf.

[@jimpharo3521]

THIS Naomi is a human treasure.

[@LizaB486]

Don't be ridiculous.

[@sherylromine3310]

Oh she Certainly is. My Brave Style is My Kind of HERO!! Sure wish we had More people with Their Eye on these EVIL CONSPIRACY THEORIST!! When are they going to LOCK Steve Brannon AWAY?? It’s LONG OVER DUE NOW!! His days are NUMBERED THOUGH

[@heinrichvon]

I feel very sad that the other Naomi (Wolf) has become like this. On a previous appearance on DN, she fiercely defended Julian Assange, and I read her book on Fascism, which was very good. It's bizarre that Wolf has become allied with Bannon, who represents the Fascism she once decried.

[@alteredcatscyprus]

Klein is a pharisee and a fascist.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

We saw the clip. This distorts what Kennedy said, and is frankly a smear. I'd die if someone said this about me.

[@LastBref]

It doesn"t distort what Kennedy said at all, but of course, you already know that and are deliberately lying in order to spread a false narrative that RFK Jr is somehow a victim. In reality, he has been able to appear on huge platforms that other candidates are not being invited to.

[@eemoogee160]

It's odd how willing Klein was to smear him so crassly in her hit-piece article. As a fan of her work, I was disappointed.

[@barb2793]

@@eemoogee160 Look what she did to fellow "sista" Naomi Wolf! Wrote a whole book ridiculing her. So no surprise here. Ugly and casually cruel.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Naomi Klein's world was upended? I can never retire and may need to emigrate. The pandemic was the "one more blow" I could not take.

[@ozdigg9254]

sorry to hear this. And I hear you. xoxoxo

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@ozdigg9254 Thanks ;)

[@larsbee]

when a millionaire democrats life gets upended eh? after reading the her book shock doctrine I thought here comes the new voice against the elites but I have to realize she is now serving the elites in democratic party ... no I'm not republican 😂

[@barb2793]

Klein -- upscale, wealthy, privileged and pampered. No sympathy.

[@caliguy1260]

@@barb2793😭🍼😭🍼😭🍼😭🍼

[@girmabalcha3192]

I wrote this comment from far away East Africa. I read shock doctrne and likes Naomi klein I also listen some her lectures on KZbin . I will try to get her new book. Finally I want to expressed my deep admiration for Naomi klein.

[@johnbanach3875]

She'll never come to your part of the world. No one there could afford her fees. Please follow someone who is sincere and worthy of your admiration.

[@KohalaLover]

You are very kind and appreciate your opinion and comment. Please don’t listen to “John”; he’s a troll and is pro-fascist.

[@jo-annerichardson34]

@@johnbanach3875 that's bs. Naomi Klein has traveled worldwide to war zones, disaster zones of unimaginable proportions etc. Unlike you, obviously.

[@seansmith3058]

​@@KohalaLoverSpot on. What an arrogant remark.

[@keithlambe211]

I live in Mauritius 🇲🇺 Indian Ocean and am very aware of Naomi Kleins groundbreaking books and articulation of the most important issues of our age. In the digital era nowhere is uninformed unless you make it your personal choice

[@KCAATV]

Folks, This lady seems to be presenting herself as an American. She is a Canadian citizen and this should have been clearly explained, and not lost in a brief caption. She is a teacher at a Canadian college. Why is she presenting herself as an expert participant in the American political landscape? It also appears that she is making bank on the confusion between her and the American right wing pundit by the same name. To the producer, for the 50th time, RFK Jr. is not an anti-vaxer. He is for safe vaccinations. He and his family are all vaccinated. Regarding vaccinations in general, something that's good for the group is never good for everyone in the group. Personal example, the two top men in my company became very ill and one of them almost died after getting their booster shots. Stop misleading people about RFK Jr's statements about which groups are negatively effected the most by the vaccine. There is a biological difference between the way different races and groups of people are impacted by vaccinations. BTW, I'm a BerniCrat and I know the difference between a conspiracy and an adversary.

[@jwilson2500]

Awesome comments

[@KCAATV]

Thanks !!!@@jwilson2500

[@lulullama4112]

Be honest. RFK Jr referenced a study and presented it as a thought experiment. It wasn't his own made up fantasy conspiracy.

[@fridge3489]

Lol

[@johnpowell8568]

This is so true. As things get progressively more weird and confused from things such as Artificial Intelligence, and more sophisticated forms of lying, we need every source of good old common sense, coupled with as much fact gathering and critical thinking we can get. Most importantly, we also need a willingness to question ourselves, and an ability to somehow transcend our own egotistical 'need' to be right, allow ourselves to make mistakes, and then own up to it, and not let it stop us from 'moving on', and continuing to learn, grow, and become ever more aware of the pit-falls and traps that still await those that foolishly believe they've 'seen it all'. Thank you for bringing these issues to our attention!

[@curtrice6060]

This is a wonderful “ comment”. But , please continue to educate yourself, read & research ! 🤓🤔😉😇🥰👍

[@jaytsecan]

Very well articulated. Thank you!

[@Windband1]

We need a lot more censorship!!

[@johnpowell8568]

Thank you for taking the time to read my comment.@@jaytsecan

[@johnpowell8568]

Of course I'm going to continue self educating. Anyways, thanks for the compliment. @@curtrice6060

[@thetawaves48]

I noticed long ago that the far left and the far right complain about the same problems, but blame different things/people as the cause. There is enough blame to go around. There is both truth and falsehoods on both sides.

[@mischevious]

After listening closely to RFK for several weeks I’ve determined that, while he does make some great points about corporate and regulatory capture, and I love love love how he’s reminding conservatives why they should and did used to care about environmental issues(it was Nixon that created the EPA after all), I don’t see him addressing my most important concerns. Nor do I see any evidence in his platform that he has any plans to address the issues he does speak wisely to. And sadly I see plenty that he will work in service to those that created the worst of our problems. Bummer bubble burst. That said, I’m dumbstruck by the sheer volume of misinformation flowing from Naomi’s mouth about him and what he’s said, and with Amy’s in tandem agreement. Verbatim the liberal corporate media narrative that we know beyond a shadow of doubt is false in it’s entirety. Just wow. Incredibly disheartening because the truth is plain for anyone who takes the time to listen. Given that, it’s hard to see how we overcome this.. saturation level propaganda. Hard not to turn away from something so ugly, dystopian and unnerving. And with that, we are truly lost.

[@dv84sure]

I was also very surprised as to Amy simply going along with Klein. USA needs Bobby but even with a miracle that he would get elected the various bent powers within politically and the huge power of the mega corps will stymie his every move.

[@Edwin-iw8gb]

yes and the EPA is corrupt and allows corporations that pay them to pollute it's just another useless department we're wasting taxpayer money on

[@marial3231]

I stopped watching g Democracy Now during the pandemic when I saw it had the same rhetoric as the mainstream media. Then I became conservative after being a liberal my whole life.

[@mischevious]

@@marial3231 I can understand why you stopped watching DN. But that wouldn’t have changed your belief system, so what did? Just curious, with the admission that I myself have come full circle so to speak; started in a Republican family, became more liberal with hard life experience in our caste system- not merit based in any way.. And now, best described as a progressive conservative. - Lifting up those at the bottom makes us stronger as a whole. - Environmental stewardship is essential to our health and survival. - Strong border security protects us financially and keeps us safe physically. It’s not about me as an individual, only about what’s best for us as a nation and a society.

[@Libertariun]

Her belief system (possibly) didn’t change. The left went crazy.

[@emkelly8879]

A long over-due conversation, thank you. Bodily autonomy used to be a firmly left-wing position. Free speech used to be firmly entrenched in the left wing conversation. Concern for the plight of the working class used to be represented in compassionate consideration of the impacts of public policy. These are core inconsistencies that need to be unpacked openly - while the knee-jerk demonisation of those who have questions, combined with the call for censorship only creates further distrust and division.

[@SkiRedMtn]

Shock Doctrine was my Wake Up moment.

[@globalwarmhugs7741]

Same

[@SkiRedMtn]

@@innerlocus well done my friend. And my condolences for the loss of any life you may have that is not already ruled by cynicism. ‘Cause that’s about to go. ;)

[@veganbadass]

It's a great book. I've read it 3x. Very important info.

[@kathycollett4318]

Mine, too!

[@wuhaninstituteofvirology]

today's naomi klein would smear shock doctrine's naomi klein as "far-right former-progressive conspiracy theorist"

[@catserver8577]

This has been very cathartic for me. Considering that Naomi Wolf was the "go to" women's studies author during my high school and college years, even then I was not convinced that she had a solid philosophy that was necessarily "good" for society. Although I was raised in a very leftist family, I had that "uncanny" feeling that she was using a type of double speak. I think I even took a few hits on my grades back then when I would counter her arguments. Seeing Naomi Klein explain this phenomena was very stabilizing. I prefer to add only verifiable, useful and inclusive data to my own "belief system" and I tend to leave the rhetoric and subjective ideas behind. It's been nearly impossible to do for over a decade for me now. Thank you for giving voice to this weird off putting feeling with such easily comprehended comparisons. Because really, that is the only way to change things and find some kind of good stasis. The atmosphere of society seems to me like a pendulum, and when it is far one way or the other, it's most damaging to the stability of our world. Whenever we are at one side or the other of an extreme sway, I dread the backlash of the opposite direction. Even if the opposite direction is more on the "side" that my own philosophy falls on.

[@LabGoats]

Progress, I think, is always going to trigger a backlash. We have to push past it.

[@cassieo4337]

The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice - MLK Jr

[@maloxi1472]

"It's been nearly impossible to do for over a decade for me now." It's because actual belief propagation is a very expensive algorithm to run, even on a powerful computer. It's a very widespread misconception of scientific knowledge (and knowledge in general) to think that it advances by way of belief propagation within some kind of Bayesian network of "justified true beliefs". This ideology is a branch of inductivism and it has seduced many people during the last few years (for example the infamous "believe the science" crowd). Even now, you're congratulating yourself as you fall deeper into that pit 🤦🏽‍♂ Humanity is truly fucked...

[@WahidaJoosub]

So what about the data that shows highly vaccinated nations faired well below those countries that had very low vaccine rates? I prefer to focus on the facts.

[@papalegba6796]

She's literally called WOLF why would you think she's on your side?

[@packardsonic]

It is very sad to see Naomi and Democracy Now refusing to see conspiracies when they have spent their whole carreers reporting on conspiracy between corporations and governments.

[@eveningchaos1]

I think this was talked about. She mentioned that conspiracies always have some element of truth. Like the fact that large corporations are controlling the state apparatus. This is true. Then conspiracy theorist take this only in the realm of pharmaceuticals that were used to fight Covid-19. Why not take the analysis to the socialist conclusion that all oppression stems from Capitalist oppression? Big Pharma is bad to profiteer from misery, but so is every profit driven industry. If people like Bannon, and Wolf would become true critics of Capitalism, they would no long be conspiracy theorist. Instead they drum up outrage from uneducated masses, without any class analysis. It's all a culture war to them, and ignores class warfare.

[@fredgarvinMP]

​@@eveningchaos1Coincidence theorist.

[@barb2793]

The Left has left us. They were totally on board the shutdowns, forced shots, etc.

[@alankovin9204]

As a past admirer of Naomi Klein, I was really taken aback by her distortions and omissions of the candidacy of RFK Jr. Her analysis of his views, of his vaccine policies, his goals as he has repeatedly annunciated, and his overall stature is so patently misrepresented, I now have doubts of any future beliefs in what she espouses. In case she has been asleep, there is now evidence that the 'conspiracy' of the mRNA vaccines is true and questionable--. RFK Jr has consistantly stated evidence for his views and has cited documentation for them. Where was Naomi Kleine when Roundup was (and is still) killing us, on a daily basis? Where is Naomi with the corruption of the Democratic Party, the War Machine, the Corruption of BIG BANKING and BIG FOOD!!! These are issues that RFK Jr is resonating with folks that are listening, and his past work as an Environmental Lawyer, gives us some credence that if elected, he would actually do something. In fact, his main strategy, if elected, is to reform the agencies, so they are not captured by Corporations. He is the only candidate that is running on a platform to unite people!! That is why he is getting the support of both parties. Your omissions, distortion and misrepresentations are actually hurting the causes of the Hoi Polloi Naomi!! Is RFK Jr perfect....of course not.....but compare in your minds eye the difference a Kennedy Presidency would have from a Biden or Trump Presidency......and before you do, DO YOUR RESEARCH!! Lastly, I continue to be disappointed by the feeble work of Democracy Now, in their failure, in all their years of programming, to do realistic reporting on the corruption the Democratic Corporate State, as if it were the only egalitarian Party--it is NOT.!!!

[@Disentropic1]

What are you talking about? Evidence of what mRNA conspiracy? Your comment sounds like an emotional reaction to hearing someone you stupidly idolize be shown for what they are. You say he supports his views with evidence, but is that evidence sound? Why don't you reference the actual evidence? Are you incapable of assessing it and presenting it yourself?

[@ericanderson3879]

Hi Amy, please invite Wolf onto Democracy Now and give her the same time that you are giving Klein. And hopefully you would allow her to speak freely, not interrupt but simply ask questions like you did here.

[@Patrick_Ross]

Why on earth would anyone host a liar and conspiracy theorist?!😂

[@patrickwagner4822]

exactly - why give air to lies, and false hoods because MAGA folks now feel this their mirror version of equality in their minds. @@Patrick_Ross

[@ShaedeReshka]

@@Patrick_Ross Why not? Better than having an echo chamber. People need to be exposed to dissenting views, even if they're bonkers. The end of the fairness doctrine is one of contributors to the propaganda landscape we live in today. It's not to sole reason by a long shot, but giving the "other side" a chance to speak is a good thing that over time leads to a more informed public that is trusted to weight the arguments and make decisions for themselves.

[@tommyo9879]

p.s. I have voted Democrat my whole life. I have not left the Democrat party, it left me...

[@nova4005]

Yes, me too.

[@fredgarvinMP]

​@@nova4005Me three.

[@barb2793]

Me four!

[@fredgarvinMP]

@barb2793 High five! 🫸💥🫷 (corny, I know). I like your comments Barb!

[@Heylomusicmusic]

Great interview ✌️♥️ Thank you!

[@iversonmatthew]

All I know is that if I do not swear blind allegiance to the Democrats, then I love Trump and want putin to win.

[@deborahrivera6064]

@@lavalavalavalavalava Like the rest of us have had enough that if we are not enthralled Trump supporters then we must be satanic child blood drinking unpatriotic Marxists....🙄 You see, it cuts both ways

[@USCHO67]

As a Green Party leftist, "I feel your pain".

[@barb2793]

It's all a cult. Klein's book and speaking engagements sent a message to Wolf about what happens if you leave the cult and start thinking for yourself. You will be publicly ridiculed and marginalized.

[@Arturojazz4]

Again, Amy Goodman is actually lying by taking out of context RFK JR's comments. Stop it! Please. (Ok, poorly worded by him, but his explanation is absolutely coherent.)

[@robertamineo477]

Agreed. The "anti vaxxer" label is erroneous and overused. The "antisemitic comments" were taken out of context. Redundant parroting. Could Amy PLEASE just engage in conversation with RFK Jr.

[@Dantianblue]

Hi Can you explain how he is correct please?

[@circa1890]

Unfortunately, RFK Jr. doesn't know how to read a scientific journal. That's a problem. Many non-scientists can't.. It's going to be more important for researchers to explain their papers in layman's language. Also, "science" left a vacuum by not being straightforward and "giving all the facts". It left room for rumors and conspiracy (still doing it). It's partially the fault of mainstream news and the public health community for not being completely transparent. RFK Jr. is not talking "the truth" but neither is "the other side" in full. Then it gets down to who's more correct than the other? (FYI, not RFK 😔) -someone in the sciences

[@Arturojazz4]

Again, I'm not a supporter of RFK Jr, but the way a few words were taken out of context and repeatedly misrepresented, even on DN, is frightening and significant to me. As he explained in several interviews in the days following the release of that short video, he was talking about the need to create international mechanisms to control and limit the development of biological weapons. He cited a reputable peer-reviewed study that showed evidence that the Covid virus seemed to be more dangerous for some ethnic groups than for others. He says he was using that fact as an example that viruses, in theory, could be developed to target specific groups, and therefore, "as President" he would work hard to build international rules to prevent such developments. I've seen him make this point on several videos on KZbin. The Democratic Party and the their press continue to ignore the context of his words and repeat the snippet completely out of context. It's a smear that I'm very disappointed to see DN participate in. I guess DN has become just another outlet of the Democratic Party?@@Dantianblue

[@Dantianblue]

@Arturojazz4 I agree that his remarks at an unofficial setting have been taken a little out of context and used against him. However as a politician he should know this will happen and be more careful when bandying loaded phrases and terms about like "targeted". It's a bit disingenuous to display shock at this. It's all part of the way things go these days. He is a well known anti vaxer and peddler of conspiracy theories. Bill Gates has suffered worse at the hands of conspiracists. It's a shame that both sides stoop to similar tactics but with the psych wars being conducted by the right wing currently and their assault on truth, maybe the good guys need to start getting punches in.

[@debbykleinberg8779]

This is untrue about Robert Kennedy, Jr.

[@tonywords6713]

Along these lines I highly highly recommend "THEY KNEW: How a Culture of Conspiracy Keeps Us Complacent" by Sarah Kendzior, as well as Jared Yates Sexton's recent series titled "The Midnight Kingdom" (both the youtube lecture series and the book). Glad more people are acknowledging this sort of thing it's dangerous to just lump all conspiracy shit together and dismiss it. Conspiracies and conspiratorial thought are more American than apple pie. They ain't going anywhere.

[@pallavmoitra2890]

My question is for Naomi Klein: Have you talked about the WHO pandemic treaty?

[@alteredcatscyprus]

Read Wolf’s substack, ‘Is Naomi Klein "Othering" Me Due to Family Ties' Multi-Millions in Vaccine Money?’ And I think you might find the answer you are looking for.

[@leviashanken2506]

I thought thar was resolved awhile back. Amy misquoted RFK jr, even showing him right there not saying that! He said (not shown) also Finns. And it COULD be made as a bioweapon to target certain groups but not that it had been.

[@lynnmoss2127]

Regarding the comment about RFK Jr.; I am sickeningly disappointed that Democracy Now is taking part of the atrociously UNdemocratic castration of our presidential debates, our nomination process, our voice as citizens and voters.

[@ozdigg9254]

Interesting that you don't comprehend what 'Democracy Now' means.

[@lynnmoss2127]

ok, do tell@@ozdigg9254

[@lynnmoss2127]

@@ozdigg9254 so what does it mean?

[@barb2793]

@@lynnmoss2127 It means mob rule. Which is why we have a Republic, not a Democracy, and why Plato adamantly opposed democracy.

[@thomdemarcky1930]

Naomi Klein now declares herself as so much better than the likes of Glenn Greenwald to ascertain the truth that only her camp's view of the world is the real view of the real world. No one has cornered the market on knowledge and wisdom about our politics, covid, etc.-- it's a confusing mess. Sad that she seems to have gotten on the bandwagon that rides the strategy of foregoing debate and resorting to trying to label people she disagrees with as conspiracy theorists.

[@ArtAristocracy]

This is so sad. One of my hero's choosing to attack ad hominem rather than engage with the issue of narrative control. And in doing so is throwing her weight into the left's maintenance of 'righteous disgust' for those who 'cross the line' and talk to the 'enemy', the right, over shared issues. Cause why... why Naomi?

[@RachelWakefield11]

Feeling the same.

[@CatGirl-xq9pj]

Isn't Naomi Klein's point that being confused for Naomi Wolf was starting to effect her personally and that these confusing times can't be ignored because authors and messages are getting mixed up? I guess what you're objecting to is that Wolf is being used as a case study in the book? Perhaps that's a fair criticism but l'm not sure it's the same as an ad hominim attack.

[@odradekfilms]

It isn't an ad hominem. Did you read the book, or listen to the interview / short video? In what way is it an ad hominem. And the problem isn't "talking to the right," of course. The problem is cultural and bigger than Naomi Wolf, Wolf is fair play as an archetypal example, but that's all she is. The problem is internet world and the way that the Right wing has a monopolistic multilateral political infrastructure that it's easy and profitable to fall into. The problem is precisely the issue of rebellion and line-crossing transforming into conformity with the right-wing conspiracist status quo that's been the status quo since Goldwater.

[@gugy68]

Sad to see Democracy Now just another arm of the establishment. Long gone are the days this channel was a reputable place. Now theyt just spills MSM talking points. Voting for RFK Jr. no matter how much you try to smear his reputation.

[@ArtAristocracy]

Klein can't even risk saying what Wolf is being accused of other than to suggest she's not worthy of engagement. Klein's only Doppelganger is her previous more critical self. @@CatGirl-xq9pj

[@liloleist5133]

Being unmasked, unvaxed, super healthy and self-thinking, I refuse the pseudo devide of so called "left" vs. "right". *TRUTH IS ALL THAT COUNTS.*

[@jessicaT12345]

I think demonizing the "other" side is the problem. People should start recognizing when the "other" side speaks the truth. And people should start being honest with their own misgivings. There is something critically flawed about the capitalist and democractic structures of the U.S. -- it doesn't matter what party is in power. Let's be honest about this and work toward making a better reality for us all.

[@Benderboo222]

❤

Exactly, people hate when I imply this. And that I do listen to any sides at times. And all contain partial truth.

[@EveritteBarbee]

I'm a huge fan of both Naomi's. It's very disappointing that you need to bash Wolfe to raise Klein. Democracy Now used to be pro worker and anti elite, now everything is just ignorantly parroting exactly what Blackrock wants.

[@Windband1]

100% accurate!

[@alistairshiels7654]

L Hasn't even read the book

[@lupyxmam5753]

Truth!!!!

[@bonlevina5621]

Truth mixed with fallacy are not exclusive to any one group. In the words of Paul Simon, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Both ends of the political spectrum suffer the sin of assumption. It is a phenomenon. I highly respect Naomi Klein. Shock Doctrine is one of the best books I have read. However, the Left can be as frightening as the Right. During Occupy Wall Street I learned that there are some Christian-haters flying the 'inclusiveness' flag, to be sure! I had the audacity, while enjoying pizza with a group of fellow protestors, to mention, conversationally, that the historical Jesus spoke out for the poor and disenfranchised. It is hard to describe the vitriol that exploded toward me, so I will spare you. I began to back out of my involvement with Occupy. I realized that, in no way, did I want the status quo replaced by a new wave of power-seekers. I can now understand why the politically right fear the far left. I have long understood the opposite. It occurred to me that hate and prejudice is insane no matter under which flag it is flown. I think we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. "De-platforming" is another, less scathing, way of saying 'censorship', which is precisely what it is. I love a good argument, which is pretty hard to have when only one point of view allowed to be aired.

[@fredgarvinMP]

@@lavalavalavalavalava Me too!

[@keithparker1346]

However, the Left can be as frightening as the Right. - can be but far less

[@hologramsolid4788]

Well said

[@nova4005]

I agree, great comment.

[@genevievechenoweth885]

Well said

[@zombiehampster1397]

I had a friend who was all Sanders in 2016 and when the DNC did their thing and Sanders was out, he felt extremely betrayed. He then proceeded to vote for Trump, and no amount of pleading or reasoning with him did a thing, he was convinced Trump was the one after that.

[@wtice4632]

Trump 2024

[@qjtvaddict]

He was anti establishment and if the dems got a progressive he would vote for them

[@qjtvaddict]

@googlenazicompany5935so you want to end america then?? Fine way to fast track a revolution they would get overthrown eventually

[@tigading2177]

much the same with wars, Amarikans are easily persuaded or riled up for yet more wars, even though Irak was proven like many other conflicts are totally orchestrated by U$ corp regime incl the one in UKR. Heck evidence are showing even 9II were orchestrated by U$ govt because the people behind U$ govt is the same group who took over U$ at least since 1963. Very few Amarikans are asking the right searching questions.

[@gallectee6032]

@googlenazicompany5935 F that. Let's just go straight to the Hunger Games.

[@INvalidSYNapse]

I always enjoy listening to Naomi Klein. Thank you!!!

[@bruceclark4754]

I'm almost positive that I would agree entirely with Naomi if someone could explain exactly what shes talking about.

[@jacquelynnjurian8744]

Basically people are getting the story/information confused. People even get this Naomi confused with another Naomi (Wolf) who has gone from a progressive to a far right media figure with a large following and platformed next to Steve Bannon. This extreme right, she is kindly arguing, is partly because of the use of the propaganda techniques used by this far right faction that uses bits of truth from discarded issues of the "left" to point to and champion, which inevitably chases more progressive people over to either far right or other Libertarian variations of that end of the spectrum The other part is that the left has shut down, bullied or plain old canceled right wing personalities and the elitism has also aided in the narrative pushed by the right who is gaining monstrous power in populace. someone let me know if I missed something

[@atthebijou8209]

haha.

[@davidbouchard8963]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BlanBonco]

People are getting sucked into opportunistic rabbit holes due to silo-ing social media economic neglect and increased propaganda. This is leading to competing narratives that often dehumanize instead of looking for practical solutions. Everything is political now and politics is always a construct. With technology added we risk sliding into a sort of postmodern abyss. I added a bit but i think that's part of what she was saying.

[@terriej123]

I’ve noticed everything that Naomi Klein is saying. It’s also a form of projection. Like she said, those who profit from disasters will use the claim of others profiting from the disaster, in order to gain the attention that they need & from which they will further profit.

[@juliet3827]

Huh?

[@fredgarvinMP]

Klein is guilty of what she accuses others of.

[@tubecated_development]

that reminds me of the seeming paradox: “if you criticise the intolerant, then you yourself are intolerant”

[@LunaticFringe010]

the anti-conspiracy grift. After all, *some* people will believe ANYTHING ;)

[@barb2793]

Great point. Exploiting the situation and throwing Naomi Wolf under the bus. Ugly.

[@mr.p.7021]

There is no one who is without basis for criticism. The problem I have regarding Ms Kline is that she appears unwilling to turn the critical mirror upon herself and ask if all of her own opinions stand up to scrutiny. No one is 100% correct about everything, except it seems Naomi Kline.

[@kathycollett4318]

Bingo

[@CatGirl-xq9pj]

I don't think Klien could write a book like this without self reflection. I don't get the impression she is arguing that she is 100% right or perfect.

[@johnbroussard4856]

I disagree mr.p, but appreciate your halfbaked trolling.

[@mr.p.7021]

@@johnbroussard4856 I am always willing to learn something new, if you could be so kind and expand upon your comments as to why you my comments where half baked and trolling? Many thanks.

[@brandonmec32]

I love democracy now, I’ve watched daily for years… but you guys are so wrong on RFKjr and the COVID issue… I don’t get it. Why are you choosing to cover these 2 issues with blue no matter who blinders on?

[@tristanvonjunsch2565]

Very disappointing

[@Zaniel8]

If u can get them addicted to their own fictions inside their minds, if u can get them so confused they dont know whats real, how can they fight back TheMatrix

[@cassieo4337]

and Putin's playbook

[@jo-annerichardson34]

She answers some of that in the interview and more-so in her book.

[@Zaniel8]

@@cassieo4337 well, all governments but sure, him to

[@fredgarvinMP]

​@@cassieo4337Where can I get a copy of this playbook?

[@ioniatco]

How about a debate between two Naomis? And so we'll see who is the real Doppelganger? Please like to let this be seen.

[@barb2793]

So ugly to have women talking smack about another woman without inviting her on the show to present her points of view.

[@dv84sure]

Edit ... VERY disappointing to listen to this. More smearing of RFK Jr. and that masks protect. Hypoxia ... good luck. Seems that Amy and Naomi Klien don't bother to listen / watch what Bobby has said such as his testimony to the House on Jul 20, 2023. Or his recent interview with Cheryl on the Tim Dillon Show. Naomi Klien is obviously out (again) to promote her latest book of which for sure now I'm NOT gonna buy, especially after seeing her talk here. Bobby's (RFK Jr. ) absolute determination, stamina, physical fitness and ... furthermore his super sharp mental clarity at 69 is absolutely outstanding, FAR beyond any other presidential candidate ... probably ever. Democracy Now going along with whatever Naomi Klien says is absolutely Ridiculous.

[@Alex-gd9xq]

so glad someone’s noticed the pattern and articulated it. Thank you Naomi Klein, ready to have my mind blown again by your work again

[@JohnnyPeacenic]

Rfk is not anti vaccine. He warns against some vaccines

[@robertmarley8852]

That's a problem....my body my choice

[@dwise1972]

How about don't be so trustworthy of your government and stop being a go along? The media and our jobs are to question questionable actions of our government.

[@IrinaZuercher-s1q]

She seems to have mastered mixing truth with lies herself. Just two examples: RFK jr., unlike she said, does plan to raise minimum wage. And he does not promote aggressive stance on China like Bannon, who she briefly switched to for this point while talking about RFK Jr.

[@Libertariun]

She also doesn’t look anything like the other Naomi.

[@ciciKoenig]

And there's the fact that she doesn't admit she has a financial motive in going after RFK Jr and Naomi Wolf, both critics of the pharmaceutical industry. Her husband receives money from PharmaCare. She never disclosed this, and Democracy Now never asked.

[@Rose-xj4hv]

I always want to hear both sides of a story before I form an opinion. I find it troubling and sad whether it's "liberals" (such as Democracy Now) or the "conservatives", they both are guilty of only allowing one side of the story to be told on their podcasts, network news shows or in the halls of their universities. Rarely are there any public debates or civil exchanges of divergent ideas anymore. Just one side telling the other side to sit down and shut up while they tell the world "The Real Truth". And those who go along with the "Ruling Class Narrative" are rarely if ever challenged by the mainstream media anymore. Umm I wonder why that is? Alternative voices are rarely allowed to be heard or considered and are unfortunately the reality of our world today. It’s creating a very dangerous cultural and political divide in our country. Where one side is "OK" with dehumanizing and demonizing those who they disagree with. They view them as "The Enemy" and "Dangerous to Democracy" while consider themselves as the "Virtuous Ones" and "Saviors of Our Democracy". The only winners here folks are the modern day Robber Barrons who are financially and politically benefiting from this dangerous divide. They have immense financial resources to back both the Right and the Left. They do this by making large donations through their dubious NGO’s and "philanthropic organizations". Both sides of the political and media spectrum are guilty of taking this money. Both sides are being played off on one another. And instead of uniting and pushing back against the biggest threats to humanity (which are our rapidly declining health, wealth and freedoms), we find ourselves fighting amongst ourselves over mostly our petty differences. If we can’t afford the cost of rent, mortgage, food, gas and other basic essentials all those other lower Maslow’s hierarchy of needs will become meaningless to us. If Democracy Now was truly "The Exception to the Rulers" it would allow its listeners to hear both sides of the critical political and cultural issues of our time. I use to believe it was, but unfortunately it has become just another dividing mouthpiece for the ruling class. Rarely if ever trying to bring us together only dividing and helping to tear this country even further apart. Unfortunately many on both sides the political spectrum are being played by the corporations. I ask Amy Goodman to let Naomi Wolf have her rebuttal and allow her to speak for herself instead of allowing only Naomi Klein to define Naomi Wolf. Below is another post which expresses this also: @bonlevina5621/5 days ago "Truth mixed with fallacy are not exclusive to any one group. In the words of Paul Simon, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Both ends of the political spectrum suffer the sin of assumption. It is a phenomenon. I highly respect Naomi Klein. Shock Doctrine is one of the best books I have read. However, the Left can be as frightening as the Right. During Occupy Wall Street I learned that there are some Christian-haters flying the 'inclusiveness' flag, to be sure! I had the audacity, while enjoying pizza with a group of fellow protestors, to mention, conversationally, that the historical Jesus spoke out for the poor and disenfranchised. It is hard to describe the vitriol that exploded toward me, so I will spare you. I began to back out of my involvement with Occupy. I realized that, in no way, did I want the status quo replaced by a new wave of power-seekers. I can now understand why the politically right fear the far left. I have long understood the opposite. It occurred to me that hate and prejudice is insane no matter under which flag it is flown. I think we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. "De-platforming" is another, less scathing, way of saying 'censorship', which is precisely what it is. I love a good argument, which is pretty hard to have when only one point of view allowed to be aired.

[@heereandqueer_andpeggy7375]

Wonderfully well put. How can the writer of 'Shock Doctrine' not understand the role the globalists play in dismantling democracy (now) ?

[@Disentropic1]

You want this Naomi Wolf to come on the show? Lol that's such a weird ask. Do you mean to say that news programs have to always allow every liar on their program whenever someone points out their lies, or is this uniquely for people you think are credible?

[@nova4005]

Great comment, I couldn't agree more. 👍🏽. Ordinary people need to be able to come together. We need to stop the organizations negatively affecting our wealth and health, and stop letting cultural squabbles and name-calling divide us under a left/right divisive paradigms.. Ninety percent of what Naomi Wolf has been talking about the last three years has been the hundreds of healthcare workers and scientists she gathered to comb through the court order release of the thousands of pages of Pfizer trial documents. It's interesting that her primary investigative work the past three years wasn't mentioned by Naomi Klein or Amy Goodman at all. Why not have Naomi Wolf on to report on this, and people can support or refute what she has found and decide for themselves whether she's living in some conspiratorial mirror world?

[@cristinacamero3733]

I really appreciate your comment, is like you're putting words to my thoughts. I wish I could copy your words to share them. Thank you!

[@MammeJ]

Perfect regurgitation of the rhetoric Steve Bannon spews & his talking points-& how MAGA has successfully (without even needing proof) vialafied the Mainstream media as the problem so you don't watch & how MAGA controls the narrative. It's why they call things a witch hunt, hoax or just completely smear the person to discredit them. In what universe can you actually believe “Christians are being censored” (again, no proof needed) while they call accredited & long standing News sources like NY Times or PBS fake news & constantly attack the press- while full heartedly believe publications that have been around for 2 years but shared by MAGA so it makes it credible? - you can see a post that says “I wonder why MSM isn't reporting on (a story)” like that person watches all of them to know -but it's Again, to control the narrative-

[@christopherbettridge]

I live in Canada too, so I feel where she's coming from about the Trucker Convoy (the second one) and in general that we on the Left that aren't doing enough, in terms of solidarity and moving FORWARD not just reacting. Reactionaries used to be the major Right support! There is a point at which it becomes almost insurmountable to get past our often intellectual differences on the Left and come together in time to really overcome the problem of the Lure of the Lie, which is what I call the conspiracy theory culture (thank you for that perfect name) and the general trends on the Right. As Prof. Chomsky says, if we don't stop capitalism from "doing it's thing", "They're going to kill us all" (referencing the fossil fuel industry and its concomitant use of the right wing agenda). Conspiracy theories are very insidious because they're very good at bringing confused lies into a system that has embers of truth smoldering in them and fanning the flames alight. I loved Disaster Capitalism M Klein, which is the only book of yours I've so far had the opportunity to read. A robust Left. Douse the conspiracy culture.

[@fredgarvinMP]

What was your problem with the Ottawa protests?

[@lchaney]

Wow. As someone who used to follow both Naomis, I never got them confused, but am shocked and somewhat saddened to see how much Wolf has changed over the years. I will be buying this book.

[@lurewars]

I'd save your money. You're going to need it for the continuing hyperinflation...

[@reidwhitton6248]

You mean price gouging.

[@lurewars]

@reidwhitton6248 lol 😆!! Is that a serious statement or are you just trying to be funny. You don't honestly feel the current inflation and skyrocketing prices is all simply the result of price gouging??

[@reidwhitton6248]

@@lurewars Check the earnings reports of many of the big corporations. They are making record profits.

[@presterjohn1697]

@@reidwhitton6248 ...more like vaccine gouging. "8" boosters and counting.

[@Surferdude101]

As a reporter, it's always good to listen. The person you're reporting on Robert robert Kennedy junior.

[@INvalidSYNapse]

One of my fav plays to pull in a verbal argument, "That's the thing about contradictory statements, ya kinda gotta pick one..."🤣

[@humboldthammer]

I'm more Contrarian. The NEON GAUD will be unveiled at the Great Re-Set on 09/23/26. Men and women will never lie, cheat, steal, or murder again -- so help us GAUD. YOU WILL BE HAPPY. Fentanyl Euphoria for the MAsses -- FEMA -- inspired by Huxley's SOMA (synthetic opiate) for a Brave New World Order. BUT FIRST, WAR: Every desperate nation, tribe, and peoples for themselves . . . in the Name of GAUD -- Grand Architect of Ur Destruction. Abraham's Ur. The devil expects to absolve himself, by proving Mankind unfit for God's Kingdom with a worldwide war. The devil is delusional -- Daniel 7: 9-14. 10/12/26.

[@herahagstoz6934]

Or we recognize the cognitive dissonance when two contradictory realities are both true. Which is hard for a lot of people who have difficulty accepting shades of gray.

[@seansmith3058]

​@@herahagstoz6934 "realities" whatever that may mean, can exist in apparent contradiction but facts can't.

[@INvalidSYNapse]

@@herahagstoz6934 That's the difference between theory and practice.

[@marychristenson3913]

Listening to this again I am shocked at what Public Health looks like to Naomi. It is so much more about clean water, sanitary housing, education for women, participation in the economy - NOT vaccination campaigns. So disappointed in this program. Have RFK on - but then, the WOKE sector of your audience wouldn't be open enough to listen. The legacy media keeps all the confusion going about the covid situation, too. As well as the political education about what capitalism is really about.

[@cousineau45]

The foundational expression of the "mirror world" in Western literature is Homer's "Iliad," in which any hero who kills will be killed and in which treats with "equity" both the Greek and Trojan soldiers. Looking forward very much to reading Naomi Klein's use of the doppelgänger as a way of interpreting her experience and wondering if she has read Simone Weil's "War and The Iliad."

[@melissamorgan8146]

Naomi , So Kennedy is not running on what you think he should run on ? Sounds like he has his own thoughts on how he should approach issues he believes to be critical. I’m sure if you chose to run you’d have your own list of priorities. Focusing on Kennedy’s uncharacteristic mis speak at that dinner is low hanging fruit. He said there was a theory… he did not say he necessarily believed it… and that comment was taken totally out of context… we didn’t get to hear what came before or what came after and he was not saying the Jews were responsible for the virus… a lot of conflation here. Now as to dopplegangers and mirrors there’s a tricky marketing hook itself. Don’t get caught in your own reflection. Perhaps your doppelgänger will reflect on her doppelgänger then we can really run around in circles, I still prefer to listen to RFK jr who hasn’t yet trashed anyone while on the campaign trail and does speak about issues, from the economy and struggling Americans, to the epidemic of chronic diseases in our children and families to agency capture and the overwhelming power corporations are usurping in our lives and finally to the seemingly never ending cycle of wars our government has engaged in in recent years.

[@johnsmith5139]

RFK is a crank.

[@eugeniebreida]

How many hours of Kennedy's discourse have you personally witnessed and digested? At about 50 hours, I feel fairly familiear, and know he would never think anything similar to that misquote. Slanderous out of context = shameful. @@johnsmith5139

[@elementaesthetique]

But but but we cant vote for the best candidate with lettist policies on environment - the only.candidate who actually says he will BAD FRACKING - because then ohr beloved Democrat leader Joe Biden might lose the election!!! These people are slaves to corporatism and RFK is too good a man for US politicics. He is too honest to overpower these media lies.

[@deemich1815]

Love Klein! Great interview

[@michelekorpos4784]

@AmyGoodman, I’m saddened by your continued decision, and the decisions of many of your guests, to label RFK, Jr. and others as “ANTI vaxxers” rather than people who promote SAFE and double blind TESTED vaccines that actually prevent a life threatening disease. And I really enjoyed this interview - so much to ponder.

[@ciciKoenig]

You might be interested to know that Klein's husband receives money from PharmaCare. She has a financial motive for going after RFK Jr and Naomi Wolf, which she doesn't reveal.

[@barb2793]

Agree. The Left left us, long ago. It was the most so called progressive states, such as NY and CA, that pushed the experimental jabs on its people.

[@lupyxmam5753]

And maybe we should question vaccines and all big pharma products. What is wrong with asking for PROPER research?

[@EWA8755]

NK along with DN once had, in my eyes, impeccable journalistic integrity. Things change.

[@jwilson2500]

The CIA is VERY happy at the progress of Operation Mockingbird

[@joangordoneieio]

stopped listening to DN decades ago. All of NPR truth be told. For years I volunteered for the annual fundraisers. Dont think Im the one that changed.

[@ronrendon]

The only constant is change my dear. @@joangordoneieio

[@dsyy90210]

@@joangordoneieio you definitely are

[@fredgarvinMP]

​@@dsyy90210I'm afraid you're the one that's changed.

[@johnfehringer]

Up to this point I am fairly unfamiliar with both Naomis but it seems as though this Naomi is propagating her own biases in order to support a catchy "Doppelganger" narrative and sell her books. Several points she made were convoluted enough to misdirect one from searching out the full story behind her claims. Naomi Klein has her own perspective, of course, and as long as she wedges enough of the truth into her story it should convince you that the rest of her story is credible. This journalistic tactic is simply coming from her chosen side of the divide. Maybe she would agree to have an open conversation, or even debate with RFK jr or anyone else she is calling out rather than decontextualize a video that was selectively edited, then claim knowledgable authenticity as if she were there. I depend on Democracy Now to give me unbiased full stories and this missed that mark completely.

[@cee5429]

Unfortunately, Democracy Now is no longer independent or reliable, as it adopts mainstream political talking points. I encourage you to - as a test - view Jeffrey Sachs on Ukraine, or some interviews with RFK jr and compare how Democracy Now refuses to touch any narratives which tread into progressive territory. Not to say RFK Jr or others are right, only claiming they are not allowed to be considered. Kucinich has a great podcast on various topics I recommend as well.

[@ciciKoenig]

Klein's husband takes money from PhamaCare, so she has a financial interest in bashing RFK Jr and Naomi Wolf, both of whom are well-known critics of the medical industrial complex. That's No Man's Land for most media, including, sadly, Democracy Now.

[@dwise1972]

A little bit generalized on the covid thing and Amy and this Dr misquoting RFK jr. I wouldn't vote for him anyway because of his stance on Israel but lets get the wording correctly at the very least.

[@marykayryan7891]

Naomi KLEIN makes a very important point. If the "Left" makes it dangerous to exist within its ranks by using bullying and brutal tactics against its own (and for that matter those outside its ranks), then it creates the seeds of its own demise. I am not suggesting that we have to "see the point of view of the Right" or even the point of view of every leftist. I am saying that we have to learn to engage in debate that is actually debate and not bullying and name calling. For instance, calling JK Rowling (with whom I disagree very strongly re/Trans issues) a "Nazi" and suggesting she should be killed or gang raped IS NOT AN ARGUMENT (ie., a series of statements intended to prove a point). It just makes us look like A-holes and drives people to the other side (where BTW, they are likely eventually to run into the same kind of behavior.) Succinctly put, one does not change hearts or minds by starting out calling the other person a moron. Not a basis for further discussion.

[@ChrisCoombes]

I hope Naomi Wolf is writing her own version of this book.

[@barb2793]

Me too. It is unsavory to watch these two women badmouth Naomi Wolf, without giving her the opportunity to present her point of view.

[@alteredcatscyprus]

Wolfe’s substack about Klein stalking her is excellent. It’s called ‘Is Naomi Klein "Othering" Me Due to Family Ties' Multi-Millions in Vaccine Money?’. And Wolf’s substack is called ‘Outspoken With Dr. Naomi Wolf’. Wolf is an extraordinarily talented writer, with a beautiful smooth style. Wolf is one of those rare talents whose substance and style are equally powerful.

[@llh3025]

@@alteredcatscyprus Thank you, it was an excellent rebuttal from Dr. Wolf!

[@alteredcatscyprus]

@@llh3025 You are welcome!

[@heynowls3058]

Naomi Klein is a voice we often need to hear. Have just reread Shock Doctrine. Once again, I am stunned by Naomi’s work. Reading Doppelgänger soon.

[@seanbeukman9563]

Shock doctrine also hit me hard. I cried when reading the Iraq chapter.

[@deborahtucker4900]

I picked Shock Doctrine up at a Salvation Army Store for a $1.00. It was the best investment ever. I was shocked at how she gathered priceless information and how she was able to analyze the data and explain world events. She was able to help ME make sense of world events that was very perplexing....

[@nochepatada]

Do you see how the Shock Doctrine was used after January 6th?

[@deborahtucker4900]

@@nochepatada No, I didn't. I really didn't follow the trials.

[@nochepatada]

@@deborahtucker4900 the government used it to expand online surveillance

[@paulginsberg6942]

How are so sure these are "conspiracy theories". Do your research and you might become more empirically oriented. I'm referring to the whole covid debacle.

[@jwilson2500]

Kryptonite!

[@ellenmccarthy6912]

Odd interpretations of Wolf’s ideas.

[@AdiKanda]

My goodness, I couldn't even watch all of this. Democracy Now, you deeply disappoint. Naomi Klein seems unable to recognize that she is in a world of her own creation, and by excluding open conversation with a range of critical views, she is vividly a part of the very problem she attempts to illuminate. To suggest that RFK Jr. is only supported by the far right is laughable, and an example of how far Ms. Klein is living from reality.

[@fredgarvinMP]

Agreed.

[@ciciKoenig]

You see this so clearly. Yet many people on this forum can't see it.

[@barb2793]

Excellent comment

[@fredgarvinMP]

@@barb2793 Barb gets it.

[@terryshrk]

This interview is so very refreshing on so many levels. A thoughtful and meaningful breakdown of the appeal of the modern far right and modern Republican Party and how some of its key players and super stars have developed a talent for literally scooping up vast swathes of the American populace whom in years and even decades past actually voted Democratic or more left. Her brilliant analogy of progressives acting like "children pretending the wold doesn't exist when they close their eyes" when a far right media personality or content creator is "de-platformed" is spot on! Just because that particular media personality or content creator disappears from twitter or whatever,.doesnt mean they don't pick up even more followers on the other side. indeed being "de-platformed" is perhaps considered a badge of honor among the MAGA crowd and necessary for validation. Also,..its far too often the case the Liberal media simply takes the easy road and gets use to constantly uploading what I call " I hate America " or "Evil America " content, over and over and over again LoL! Most well educated and logical Americans are well aware of the US Gov's vast list of shortcomings in its global foreign Policy and how those miscalculations have often stirred up hornets nest that negatively impacted peoples in certain parts of the world. I'm not saying policy makes should not be held accountable or taken to task for their often reckless lack of hubris. I am saying that day after day after day of content on how the CIA destabilized this Banana republic or supported that dictator ,.doesnt help us deal with the elephant in the room of the authoritarian issues rising here at home in our own democracy. great interview and I hope we see more content like this,.

[@jenbloom6848]

Naomi K, as always, is brilliant.

[@ciciKoenig]

But not entirely honest. She doesn't admit she has a financial motive in going after RFK Jr and Naomi Wolf, both critics of the pharmaceutical industry. Her husband receives money from PharmaCare. She never disclosed this, and Democracy Now never asked.

[@barb2793]

@@ciciKoenig Wow. I didn't know. Great research! Glad someone is doing it.

[@sistitulasi]

Why is questioning a vaccine a bad thing????

[@vinniecasqer840]

World Economic Forum's 4th Industrial Revolution "building on a ubiquitous and mobile internet, smaller, and more powerful sensors, as well as artificial intelligence and machine learning, the Fourth Industrial Revolution is distinct in the speed, scale and force at which it transforms entire systems of production, distribution, consumption- and possibly the very essence of human nature."

[@marianhunt8899]

Compassion and empathy are not much good without action. It's just the secular version of thoughts and prayers without any real action.

[@H.M.Worthington-bc3ph]

Real story: Naomi Klein is actually Naomi Wolfs doppelgänger.

[@jwilson2500]

Lol!

[@jayd5360]

I am a leftist from way back and respected these two women as leaders of movement 15-20 years ago. So sickening and sad that they have become "soft" mouthpieces of the establishment enemy.

[@malgosia7426]

Yes my thoughts exactly

[@mattstiglic]

3 seconds in and "Democracy Now" already quoting RFK Jr completely out of context. Sad.

[@ellenmccarthy6912]

Misrepresenting RFK Jr ‘s comments. Come on.

[@10.6.12.]

Why did they pass up mentioning her book on the corporate take over of post-Maria Puerto Rico?

[@eugeniebreida]

I may have to question my many decades of support for Democracy Now!, after hearing the lambasting of Bobby Kennedy in this segment, and Amy not having him once in for even a ten minute interview to provide his OWN introduction.

[@dcgallin]

Naomi Klein is clearly being paid by the establishment...look at the background picture in this interview, if that isnt hiding in plain sight, then what is? And hardly a questioning comment....

[@anastasia-03]

Please consider not white knighting (or using important energy) for these uber wealthy faux revolutionaries. Time for a reset maybe. You may end up wrapping yourself in an ever shrinking world of pretentious grifting wealthy podcasters

[@karenjeanelliott]

RFK Jr is my preferred Democrat candidate for the presidency. I can’t believe Naomi doesn’t see that the whole covid vaccine debacle was an authoritarian power grab to deny us autonomy over our own bodies.

[@ciciKoenig]

Her husband takes $$$ from PharmaCare. Wolf just did a interview about what she found. Huge COI for Klein here. Democracy Now's reporting looks idiotic to have ignored this.

[@ellenmccarthy6912]

RFK Jr is sincere and well informed. Nothing counterfeit

[@AliveNotDeadmund]

He’s not an anti-vaxxer either, which is the crazy thing, so anyone that hurls that slur at him reveals themselves as a liar and a propagandist. He just believes that vaccines should have the same safety standards as other pharmaceuticals, and for that he is attacked relentlessly. Bless that man.