This video references an interview which was conducted with Pino Pischetola, who was a recording engineer on Depeche Mode's 1990 'Violator' Album. Pino mentioned that Dave Gahan's vocals were recorded using an inexpensive Shure 5m57 Dynamic microphone. Become a VG Local by joining at www.watchvg.com
@giannighilardi63962 ай бұрын
Confirmed, I visited them couple of times at Logic while recording.🎹🇮🇹🎹
@sciencelabvideosl75582 ай бұрын
My 76 year old mother and I listen to Violator when we do errands in the car. We never get tired of it. We used to listen to it in the 90s. We were saying we think it is one of the best records ever made. A long time ago, Another guy I sat next to on a plane told me that he and his crew used to listen to Violator as an album for background music as they would assemble stages for big music names .
@fuserproducer2 ай бұрын
for sure mate!
@natlove2192 ай бұрын
Speaking as a professional record engineer the 57/58 are almost always employed because it’s the last “ditch” option for getting a performance from the vocalist. It certainly wouldn’t be the first choice in any other situation. For even seasoned pros it can be difficult to sing in tune and get a vibe in headphones. I’ve recorded Morten Harket like this. Steven Tyler and Bono also capture their takes like this not to mention many more great vocalists. These Shure mics do take on a good level of acceptability when used with a great preamp like a discrete Neve. They don’t sound like the same mic.
@richnorris10612 ай бұрын
Getting the best performance is key , everything else is icing on the cake , I’ll use whatever mic makes the closest sound to what I want like Unidyne b’s or lectern mics ( Beyerdynamic ) :-)
@eoinc40912 ай бұрын
Daniel Lanois has mentioned that he will have Bono be ‘hands on’ with an SM57/58 and use a suspended condenser mic too, but he wants Bono to have a physical connection to the mic so he can be as expressive. Similar to playing guitar in studio, having an amp 50m away in a sound booth just doesn’t feel right! You want to feel it in person!
@nicholasfaith89992 ай бұрын
Especially with a vocalist who is more comfortable holding the mic, you just can't get away with that with a condenser or ribbon.
@johnviera38842 ай бұрын
In other words, waste your time and money with something else when the SM57 works
@foljs58582 ай бұрын
"It certainly wouldn’t be the first choice in any other situation." if you're not making polished commercial crap, it could very well be the first choice for the character and punk attitude of it
@trentberry40812 ай бұрын
Very cool story. In fact this 57 on the vocals in the control room trick is used more than one might think. Ronson/Bruno Mars- Uptown Funk done the same way. Pros indeed don’t care- they are good at getting sounds with anything . It’s not the car, it’s the driver in almost all circumstances LOL! Thx for sharing!!! 😎
@diegomayfield47512 ай бұрын
Great video ! It’s the honest truth , what makes a hit record is not the gear , it’s the songs and performance . Using the most basic gear will get you there .
@tonystevenson262 ай бұрын
Marin Gore hit on my girlfriend by singing question of lust to her during an outdoor concert during the Black Celebration tour, while I went on a bathroom break from our front row location. I was like wtf ? Everybody had cleared an area around her because they knew Gore had singled her out whilst he sang Question of Lust, of all things. I guess I was somewhat flattered he picked out my girlfriend to serenade. She was just surprised and kinda freaked out ! I thought dang, dont we deserve backstage passes for this ? I dont think he was using a 57, but damn I cant remember, mabe he was using an Electro Voice "sing to your girlfriend" model .....
@katielowen2 ай бұрын
But did he smash afterwards?😏😂😂
@Ambientnauts2 ай бұрын
Not surprised. It's a great mic. Great rundown appreciate you! Tom Petty recorded a lot on the SM57 too and used it live. I think his reasoning was different, continuity between recorded track sound and live sound + his battered esophagus. I've used the SM57 off and on for decades and it is more flat in terms of expressiveness. But if you have great microphone proximity technique like Dave does you can swing it around as you groove to the backing track and then hang your mouth all over it when you come in with your vocals. And just to add another difference, the pickup pattern. While both are Cardioid the SM57 does has a tighter pickup at very close range than the SM58. Another inexpensive choice these days is the Heil PR 35 or PR 37. Jakob Dylan of the Wallflowers uses them occasionally in studio and a lot live and hangs all over the mic like Dave does.
@VaughnGeorge2 ай бұрын
Than k you fro your kind words and fro your your comment!! VG :-)
@orestis68942 ай бұрын
ALAN GENIUS WE MISS YOU... The master mind behind the scenes.. And what a great tour, the mix he made in this tour it's unbelievable...
@vjrei2 ай бұрын
Alan is for me one of the greatest geniuses in contemporary music and he is going to disappear into obscurity. No recognition at all.
@kassemir2 ай бұрын
The thing he said about the performance being better with him singing to the monitors really is the key. And, I think, honestly more common than you'd think. I heard on an interview with a producer who worked with Peter Gabriel that he prefers to sing with the monitors too, rather than having the headphones on. I think in that case they didn't use a gate, but inverted the signal to cancel out most of the bleed. If a performer came up working live a lot, it makes sense you'd get a better performance, if the recording set-up is closer in emulating that kind of experience.
@kristianborisov5928Ай бұрын
I am trying to record myself singing with monitors and without headphones, but the phase cancellation trick doesn't work for some reason in Cubase.
@cfarmilo7844Ай бұрын
Hi Vaughn. Just thought I'd let you know I've e been watching your videos for a while! You are actually turning me into DM fan. You're enthusiasm got me searching for their songs, absolutely love them. Violator will be my first album. Keep up the fantastic work.
@VaughnGeorgeАй бұрын
@@cfarmilo7844 I appreciate your kind comments and I'm glad you are enjoying the content! Cheers my friend ! VG 😎👍🎹
@cfarmilo7844Ай бұрын
Your interpretation of 'Waiting for the Night' is beautiful. They encapsulate that mood. Thank you. All the best.@@VaughnGeorge
@ReginatorNet2 ай бұрын
Dave also sings on the SM7B which is a fuller and less noisy version of the SM57. James Hetfield and Michael Jackson use(d) a SM7(B) in the studio. Bono uses a SM58 (and possibly a SM57) in the studio. I learned of this when I was looking for mics for loud and present vocals. I settled on the SM7B and a clone of the U47. 👍
@vincentini12 ай бұрын
Was a live sound tech in the 80's, and your breakdown of the mic's was perfect. Yeah, blew my mind that the 57 was used on that record.
@derekchapman51672 ай бұрын
I don't quite know why there's such a surprise that Dave's vocal was recorded on an SM57; firstly, it's the same capsule that's in your SM7B. Secondly, literally 1000s of huge hits have been recorded on an SM57; the SM57 was primarily a vocal mic, despite people thinking it's for guitar cabs or drums. Exactly where is the story?
@VaughnGeorge2 ай бұрын
I don't understand your comment. You're asking "where is the story?" I've just told the story in the video. Is it really that hard to understand? VG 😎🎹
@kcjc2 ай бұрын
That’s pretty cool, I always enjoy stories like this about my favorite bands. It reminds me of a class I took in my first year of college where we recorded performances and turned them to essentially live albums. The “good mics” were having an issue the before a show, so I was stuck with this random pair that looked like they’d seen better days. I ended up getting one of the highest scores in the class for that batch of projects.
@ericjohnson8292 ай бұрын
Having worked in studios for major label projects for many years, Shure SM57's were used for vocals on many occasions, no windscreen, usually to give a certain aggressive character. Often would try to find a Beta 57, it's 10 db hotter.
@allenalesna2 ай бұрын
The most expensive mic is not always the right mic for every project. I remember doing exactly that. We were laying down vocals using a large diagram mic, also in the same room, and for some reason it just didn't sit well. We took a break for like 30mins., then went back. I changed the mic, out of a whim and hit record. From the first line, we both knew we got it.
@allenalesna2 ай бұрын
5:08 it's the proximity effect. The mic will capture the loudest/nearest sound above anything else. That's why live recordings can be mixed just as well as overdubbed sessions.
@tokyoskyline17522 ай бұрын
Love these little insights. When I watched the original interview with Pino a year or two ago , not only was I surprised a SM57 was used for the vocals but also in the control room. I remember recording demos on my Tascam 424 mkiii & 20+ years ago (still as good as new in it's box) using a £10 mic from Dixons with a duster wrapped around it!
@lavalizard12 ай бұрын
I think that’s really validating - dynamic mics are great for exactly that scenario - singers in the control room performing without headphones over the music coming from the monitors. Bono supposedly records with SM58 that way and I’ve seen interviews describing how Chris Cornell would do the same. Depending on the room and song, I could see a SM57 with a pop filter sounding pretty similar to an SM58. Would only take a small EQ adjustment to the preamp to make them sound even more similar. You’re right - there’s frequently way to much emphasis on gear and not enough performance quality, song writing and arrangement.
@johnbeagley11952 ай бұрын
Yep. Phil Collins used the Sure SM57 and 58 for some of his and Genesis's albums too!
@sandracole52652 ай бұрын
This revelation did blow my mind, but it doesn't surprise me. When you got the goods, the vibe and the right people in the studio the magic comes together based on the level of talent and not the price tag of the equipment being used.
@cresshead2 ай бұрын
sm57 is used for: guitar amps brass instruments drums vocals ( you need a pop shield) usa president uses dual sm57's for addresses on video/radio with the sm57 pop shields i believe one of the main reasons flood chose the SM57 was the background rejection that the sm57 has so you can have the speakers cranked up in the control room and you'll be fine when recording. if you use a condenser mic it has terrible background rejection so it's useless to use that type of microphone in this situation. New order used sm57 on the bbc rock around the clock session for barneys vocals - see the youtube videos.
@commodore742 ай бұрын
Same here! well Dave is just a brilliant singer through any mic I suppose. Also, if I´m not mistaken Bob Marley recorded a few records with an SM57 too if I´m not mistaken.
@VaughnGeorge2 ай бұрын
I believe that is true about Bob Marley ! VG 😎🎹👍
@everyonexist2 ай бұрын
Great interview! You got us geeked out
@nigelcarren2 ай бұрын
Enjoying this so far. I flit from a scream to a whisper when I sing. I tried the Shure range back in the day but nothing popped for me! In the 90's I bllind-tested every single microphone available in the testing booth at Musical Exchanges Birmingham, and the winner was the AKG C1000S. I have told several engineers about this mic which is meant for instruments, and twomof them performed this mime: 🤫
@SPAZZOID1002 ай бұрын
I’ve used an SM57 for years on vocals. Zero complaints.
@evskis9 күн бұрын
The sm57 and sm58 both have the exact same capsule inside. .. Phil Collins also used sm57s for his studio vocals during the 80s.
@earlsfieldАй бұрын
Audio engineer here. That misconception that 57 is "for instruments only" comes from the almost standard use of 57s on snares and recording guitar cabinets. Microphones are for experiments, unfortunately, most of the people don't see woods from the three and go with "the more expensive the better". Which is mostly the case, but not always. Especially with microphones and stuff so unique like vocals. I have recorded people singing into 57, both singing and growling/yelling, that mic compresses so well that you can scream your lungs into it. for someone like Dave, who has super strong voice, I can see him recording with SM no problem. The characteristics of vocals recorded with 57 is somewhat flatter top end and slightly darker overall tone. Now I wouldn't use 57 for my main, default vocal mic, but if I was doing an album, I would try multiple microphones.
@musicloveunity27 күн бұрын
Thanks❤
@VaughnGeorge27 күн бұрын
@@musicloveunity you're welcome!! VG
@svenjachmann-fernsehredakt28572 ай бұрын
Yes, I agree with you. You don’t need that high Quality stuff to producing a good Album. But what you really need to make a, good record is a Producer called or like Flood because he really knows how to work with those large Mixing Engineering Stuff and really knows what’s the function Behind all the Machines. So on One Hand You Need Musicians with Soul who can sing in Cheap Microphones and on the other hand you need Producers who are out Standing.
@SyntheticSentiment2 ай бұрын
I think a lot of engineers would take issue with the 57 being referred to as "flat", even in relation to the 58 - you will generally hear guys on forums referring to the high mid "honk" of the 57 and it is pretty "scooped" in the mids. Some people love it and some hate it. I fall into the former camp. As someone said, it's not always the best choice but it is never a bad choice. It also just works great with my voice which has some low-mid "mud" that I generally EQ out pretty ruthlessly and the 57 scoops a lot of that out naturally. I keep a 57 lying around mostly for rough/demo vocals and those vocals sometimes make it to the finish line, at least as a double/effected vocal if not the main vocal track.
@Tomversal15 күн бұрын
Any mic can be used to record any sound! The 57 has been used for everything at this point
@bigdaddy-fk5bi2 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting this, ive said this since the 80s, you dont need all the drama...
@guntarss31652 ай бұрын
You right about gear, 1st is musician and inspiration, then gear what You have. Work with available gear and made best out of them.
@surat02 ай бұрын
This explains a lot. I always thought that both the vocals and the music on this album sounded less expressive than on previous albums.
@castielvargastv79312 ай бұрын
Hahaha you are the only person on this planet claiming to belive the bull you just said
@LuckyFlesh2 ай бұрын
This is a joke...right?
@chinmeysway2 ай бұрын
what does expressive mean, sonically ?
@JoeMamaBesser2 ай бұрын
I've been a recording engineer for 30 years; it makes perfect sense. A dynamic mic lets you get loud, will reject backgrounds, and will compress naturally with louder vocals. The 57 snd 58 are basically identical mics: exact same element, same transformer, and nearly identical enclosures and frequency plots. The 58 is largely avoided because the ball windscreen can sounds mildly less open, and also because our visual perception of it is for "live". 57s are often used to record scratches, but if they sound great, they sound great. If you cant tell the difference between a 57, and 87, and a C12 in context, then it doesn't matter. Use them; they're killer mics.
@BT-vu2ek2 ай бұрын
Thanks, Joe. I was waiting to find someone to point out that the 57 & 58 were the same capsule inside. I also love your recording philosophy - use what works.
@APMTenants2 ай бұрын
The sm57 was designed as a vocal microphone. The President of United States has used an sm57 since the Carter administration. Sure sells a foam windscreen specifically designed for the 57. If you watch videos from the 1970s, you will see tons of bands using 57s for vocals, the Cars for instance. The 58 is the exact same microphone with a different head on it. These were always studio microphone and every single professional studio has one. Bjork and Bono have recorded studio vocals on a 58. Again, exactly the same microphone. In 1965 a 57 would have been about $1000 in today’s money
@7171jay2 ай бұрын
@APM. Actually the 57 has been "THE" Presidential mic since 1965. Lyndon Johnson being the first to use the 57 not Carter. As you said the 57 was not originally made as an instrument mic, it sort of evolved into that over the years making many people think that the 57 was introduced as an instrument mic which was not the case. The idea of specialized mics wasn't a thing back in the 50s and 60s. Microphones were just that, microphones. Likewise small diaphragm condensers which are now also thought of as instrument mics were not marketed that way originally either.
@APMTenants2 ай бұрын
@@7171jay False. Lyndon Johnson may have used one at some point, and Sure might make that claim, but if you actually look at speeches given by different Presidents, you will see a variety of microphones were used before the Carter administration. I’m not going to argue because I already know I’m right. Just google it for yourself There were definitely specialized mics from the very beginning of microphone design. Again not going to argue when I already know I’m right. “Built to provide wide range reproduction of music and voice.” - Sure catalog 1965
@7171jay2 ай бұрын
@APMTenants Johnson became President in 1963 so you will see him with other mics as the 57 didn't exist before 1965. As to Nixon and Ford there are plenty of pics of those guys at podiums both before and after being elected as well as at events like debates and party conventions where the White House Communication team were not the ones putting up the mics. Shure isn't lying. The 57 has been the official mic of the President of the United States since 1965.
@twenty3electronics2 ай бұрын
@@7171jay All or most Oval Office addresses were given on Turner mics during the 1970s. You will also find Electro Voice 666 and various other microphones behind the presidential podiums of Johnson, Nixon and Ford. There was no official presidential microphone prior to the Carter administration.
@APMTenants2 ай бұрын
@@7171jay Wrong. Watch the Presidential addresses from the 1970s. Over and over, you will see Turner microphones, not sm57s. Occasionally you will see a 57 outdoors. The 57 wasn’t THE mic until Carter
@garethcoulson18902 ай бұрын
Your first comment couldn’t agree more finest album ever I my opinion 😊
@resofactor2 ай бұрын
Red Hot Chili Peppers used Shure mics all over 'Blood Sugar Sex Magik'. Shouldn't really be that mind blowing that big artists sometimes use cheap gear. The Preamps and consoles recorded into though, were still likely BIG NEVE or SSL boards that cost several 1000s of dollars.
@retter2critical2 ай бұрын
Probably makes his deep voice punch even more.
@diegomayfield47512 ай бұрын
Glad you did the frequency charts of the two mics . They are different and don’t sound the same . Just know if flood produced it back in the day , he probably used a 58 or 57 on vocals . He used a mono 57 overhead on a U2 album for drums .
@diavimusic45232 ай бұрын
Memory isn't always perfect...im less surprised by the mic model and more so by the process. Makes me wonder if he's recalling scratch vocal/practice sessions. Blaring monitors would be super challenging to keep out of mix, especially after all of the compression. Hmm.
@Crossfire20032 ай бұрын
You can make good music with anything, if you have great sound engineers.
@user-jh1uj8dv3u2 ай бұрын
I sang using Shure 5m57 during the rehearsals, and the only thing that I remembered before your video was that one was used by Gahan during the Some Great Reward tour...
@jaywires2 ай бұрын
I used to use an SM57 for my vocals too.
@OBKUT2 ай бұрын
I would love to know the microphone type used during DM 101 concert.
@jameshancox12 ай бұрын
You would be surprised how many hit singles are recorded on either a Shure sm58 or 57. Sweet dreams - Eurythmics U2 Peter Gabriel Tom petty The main difference between the 58 and 57 is the 58 has a pop shield. The advantages are it has great midrange and can be used in the control room even when the music is coming through the speakers loud. I had great sound rejection (Ie will pick up significantly less spill than a condenser or other brand dynamic mic)
@elissitdesign2 ай бұрын
Shure SM 57, 58 are stage mics and can take a beating on the road. Definitely not a studio mic 🎤 I’m amazed. I do voiceover work on a cheap $250 capsule and get fantastic results.
@Itsyaboy882 ай бұрын
Billy corgans from smashing pumpkins for vocals. Bullet with butterfly wings vocals is recorded with one. Flood was great with phasing issues etc.
@Analogsoup2 ай бұрын
Hi VG, Really enjoyed this video! I hope you get the opportunity to someday Interview Tim Simenon ( ULTRA producer) I think ultra may be one of Depeche Mode’s greatest albums. Cheers!
@ZebraandDonkey2 ай бұрын
Share SM57 and SM58 or not cheap mics they’re just solidly built workhorse microphones. That’s the point of them, so I think there might be some confusion with what is a cheap mic and what these mics being solid work horse mics. If you comparing these to a vintage Telefunken or something that is different. In the end, the SM57 traditionally used as an instrument mike has done the work as a vocal mic in life situations very often because of the ability to cut down on feedback in a live situation with a vocalist who is moving around a lot
@VaughnGeorge2 ай бұрын
I get your point but the fact remains that the sm57 is indeed cheap in comparison with "high end mics". Also for the purpose of the video title and thumbnail, it made sense to use this word because it's what was being discussed in the video. Also bear in mind that many of my subscribers are not music producers , so using the word "sm57" in the title would mean nothing to them. VG 😎🎹👍
2 ай бұрын
Very interesting indeed. But if you watch old live vids of Genesis, Phil always used 57's on vocals. But in a studio, for main vocals, is very unique.
@80sJayOfficial2 ай бұрын
Makes sense. Bowie used either a sm57 or 58 shure mic. All the strong vocalists dont need extra help that an expensive mic has. You can craft your sound after the vocal performance. My voice sounds best on a cheaper Telefunken vs their expensive ones. Not all expensive mics are going to work the best on every vocalist.
@nicholasfaith89992 ай бұрын
57/58's are really good for rock/"loud" singers. I Love the sound of vintage tube, Ribbon mics, they have a great tone color with a great pre/eq. I used to run a small recording studio (early 00's- 2013) mackie 32×8 bus, a two huge 48 channel Protools TDM systems. My favorite mic I own is a matched pair of AKG c414 "the comb" from 69ish. But, Depending on the vocalist, Id use everything from weird homemade mics (a favorite was made from a 50s-60s headphone that had a transducer like a humbucker, with a metal plate over it. The fact it was the worst headphones Id ever heard/seen, I HAD to use it. Often, Id use a tube pre through a Kurzweil k2500rs VAST synthesis engine) but, back to the shure, Ive heard great results from the 57/58, especially with a performer who is used to his mic technique involving "working" the mic. They have a technique that can be hard to adjust for a condenser/velocity mic.. seeing that Gahan often is seen these days holding an sm7b, he has chosen a mic very similar to the sm57. Thanks for sharing this video, It's always great reading about the boys
@NeZversSounds2 ай бұрын
57, 58 sm7b have the same capsules, different transistors.
@prophei2 ай бұрын
The SM57 is an interesting choice... Right along with using it in the control room with open monitoring. The entire thing blew me away. One question I was wondering about is which gate they used. It did a hell of a job. Any idea?
@SPINNINGMYWHEELS7772 ай бұрын
if the range suits the recording you use what you need.
@VaughnGeorge2 ай бұрын
Perfectly said!! VG :-)
@SPINNINGMYWHEELS7772 ай бұрын
@@VaughnGeorge Good job mister George.
@alexwestconsulting2 ай бұрын
This is hard to believe. The proximity effect of the 57 (typo in the video description) affects boominess so drastically that it is a tough microphone to sing with. Great for a stationary sound source, vocals not so much unless the singer is REALLY careful. Not saying this isn't true, just hard to believe. IF you can get it right it has a lot of presence and detail, but that's a big if. It puts a lot of pressure on the vocalist. SM7 seems more likely, even a 58, but like I said, I don't know. I guess I'll have to wait for the interview.
@syracusemusic15392 ай бұрын
Dave wouldn’t be aware of the technological complexities of a 57. Dave is just a vocalist so I believe he would have been oblivious to such things.
@alexwestconsulting2 ай бұрын
@@syracusemusic1539 That's exactly the problem that I'm getting at: 57 requires a consistent distance from the mic and a consistent good angle, else the eq varies too much, never mind plosives on that thing. It requires real care from a vocalist, to be aware of the mic at all times.
@syracusemusic15392 ай бұрын
@@alexwestconsulting Pino is a good Engineer and Flood is a great Producer. I’m sure they gave Dave some good advice and told him how to perform in the control room. As they say if you don’t over think such things the rest speaks for itself pal 😉
@alexwestconsulting2 ай бұрын
@@syracusemusic1539 My man, there are volumes upon volumes written on the subjects of microphones and microphone application, here even the interviewer and the interviewee gobsmacked that a 57 was used, but we've got "syracusemusic1539" here to tell us all that "don’t over think such things the rest speaks for itself". I mean, just a moment ago you asserted "I believe he would have been oblivious to such things", now you say he was coached. You don't even have a coherent position, pulled a 180 in your first 2 comments, like, came out swinging only to immediately contradict yourself. And you were still cocky about it. Are you serious? I said nothing more than a basic truth, so time to move on. OK, pal?
@katielowen2 ай бұрын
Deftones and plenty of other vocalists have used sm57s for vocals. Believe it or not.
@avmilenk2 ай бұрын
Windscreens for SM57 - A2WS and A81WS - are somewhat large. They may change it sound to be much less alike SM58. That's why many vocal performers choose SM57 over SM58.
@kefmif2 ай бұрын
I am not a producer personally, I just am a synth geek who sometimes records some shit, but I have close friends who actually record and release a lot. Their first tracks despite being recorded in a home studio, are wonderful, and now when they broke through in local radio competitions, acquired some money - they went to the best studio in the region and are in the process of recording. I gotta say, you can get a wonderful track using basic gear, but you can get your ideas sound way better if you have better machines and knowledge how to use them properly.
@swasle2 ай бұрын
I'm a photographer which I think runs parallel to music production, as you said Vaughn it's not all about he expensive stuff, I don't use the most expensive camera and also sometimes use Auto (god forbid) in taking shots, it's all about the composition (of sound)🤣
@ImmanentizeTheEschaton2 ай бұрын
As someone who was given the privilege of hearing DG's raw, untreated vocal track once upon a time, I feel that I live with a secret.
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx2 ай бұрын
Like most popular vocalists, Gahan is not a trained classical singer so lots of tricks are likely used in the studio. It's the end result that matters.
@ImmanentizeTheEschaton2 ай бұрын
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Surely. Which is why focusing on the mic strikes me as a bit humorous. Would love a deep dive on what effects were used for Dave's vocal processing. All in good fun 😃
@fufurabumbacka2 ай бұрын
What we trully, deeply need is more AI DM songs now!
That's amazing... and it gives a lot of courage/energy to have that in mind (during my recording process)! But is it still "relevant" nowadays with listeners who are used to listening to super-smooth Pop/Electro/Synthpop etc? Thank you, VG!!!
@richnorris10612 ай бұрын
I use Unidyne b mics for guitar , snare and vocals , honestly, get yourself one or two and try them out :-) I know they are old and sometimes knackered but I’ve bought four and they all work perfectly and the sound ( to me ) sounds better , they have a smoother top end which responds well to eq without being too harsh . Also as they are old no one is copying them so no fakes . I’ve also got a lectern mic which sounds fantastic ( Beyerdynamic ) and was cheap:-) the capsule is used in another of their mics :-) that’s got a glorious top end to it :-) I was in the studio with a certain Welsh band with a female singer who likes hats ;-) , we couldn’t get separation for the high hat so I made a paper cone and fitted it to the mic , sorted ✔️, there are NO rules in the studio , whatever makes the best performance is the key , as you said “if the performer isn’t thinking about it they perform better “ :-)
@larsyxa2 ай бұрын
Jarre Equinoxe 5. Base for all trance(all dance music 1978) tbh can you do Croc Theme on it? It's right up you ally after listining to your Crockett's theme. Its actually low 1977. Its perfect for your abilities.
@gloraditch69152 ай бұрын
Surprised. Sm-58 was always the standard when we did worship music vocals. The 57 was used sparingly on percussion for the live drums.
@thesynthfloyd2 ай бұрын
Alan Wilder made Dave Gahan a rich and famous man.
@aisei94522 ай бұрын
Oh really? So has A. Wilder made himself rich?
@LuckyFlesh2 ай бұрын
@@aisei9452 Being able to make someone else with a specific talent (in the case, singing and being a front man) rich doesn't mean you can make yourself (without those specific talents) rich.
@fuserproducer2 ай бұрын
I believe that many Grammy Award-winning producers and respected audio engineers with years of experience and reputation often say similar things these days. This is because of technological progress, which allows artists to acquire more affordable instruments and equipment that meet industry standards or at least pass certain criteria. Using cheaper dynamic mics has become more common over the years, and it was a well-established preference in the past for various reasons. We have learned from those who have worked closely with famous stars that this choice was made not just by the artists as performers, but also by engineers and producers. Dave Gahan was not the only one who loved to use Shure dynamic mics; Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Prince, and other famous artists did as well, often preferring them over the expensive Neumann U-47, U-67, or U-87 in the live room. Warren Huart, a platinum record producer who has worked with a long list of big artists, said this... kzbin.infoSogmC_tdKas It likely reflects the reality for all of us. 🎶🎹🎼🎵
@Mark-ec3lp2 ай бұрын
Annie Lennox recorded Sweet Dreams using a Sure SM 58. This one again proves that you need a good idea, rather than good gear.
@MrGuitarmikeg2 ай бұрын
We are living in a World where a lot of consumers are listening to music in a compressed format, such as Mp3, from a phone speaker or mono Bluetooth speaker. I'm sure they would not be able to appreciate the clarity that a U87 could bring on audiophile equipment. Vibe wins every time. Bono has used SM58s for a lot of hits.
@wildbird782 ай бұрын
When you sing and perform like Dave, you can use pretty much any damn mic you want, and it's going to sound good. The person using the tool makes all the difference.
@Itsyaboy882 ай бұрын
Ehhh you clearly don’t understand production. Completely different animal.
@wildbird782 ай бұрын
@@Itsyaboy88 been producing music for 15 years, have 5 albums signed with 3 major labels. I know a bit. But this is all beside the point. Not sure what other animal you're referring to since we are all talking about producing and recording. Have a great day!
@Itsyaboy882 ай бұрын
@@wildbird78 well then you of all people should know that. Dave’s not singing on a Logitech computer mic here he’s singing on a shure sm57 - countless records live and studio have been used with them. I know you were being hyperbolic but it’s just not true. Tools matter in production and recording. Period. Especially with his baritone you’d need something that can capture the low end of his voice. Cheap microphones historically do not capture low end, same with speakers, hence why they sound tinny.
@michaelareklett2333Ай бұрын
This video is more evidence of the importance with honing and perfecting your craft rather than trying to get the latest trendy gear currently on the market. Doesn't surprise me at all that Depeche Mode would take a conventional mic and use it in an unconventional manner. If you know what you're doing, brilliance can be achieved with the most novice instruments.
No matter the Mic, Dave sounded great on Violator. His tone, Bravado was still on point. Has anyone heard the Halo demo, from 1989,Before the finished song?, It's good.
@Meteotrance2 ай бұрын
Im not surprise Dave have powerfull voice, in my case i always use the sm57 instead of my akg or rode mic for my personal vocal, why because i have a very powerfull voice as loud as a Trumpet , i add terrible experience with a very costly Neumann (the big tube one use for orchestra recording...) in real studio and this amazing mic have distorted and cannot handle the db of my voice , i finish the recording session at more than 2 meter away from the mic to keep the vocal performance at a reasonable SPL , we finaly decide to use the SM 57 as a proximity effect it was much better and more appropriate for me, so my condeser mic now is for my drums and guitar recording only.
@grantdubery80012 ай бұрын
It doesn't surprise me, as Depeche Mode have always done things in their own way, and picked what works for them.
@timnordberg72042 ай бұрын
love the SM7B but you it would have been cool if you did the VO on a 57 so we could hear the difference.
@timnordberg72042 ай бұрын
also I think you may be the only person on the planet ever to say "Conny Plank, known for producing Ultravox".
@VaughnGeorge2 ай бұрын
@@timnordberg7204 he did indeed. And your point is ?? VG
@rockboy3602 ай бұрын
The SM 57 is a perfect mic for vocals or any other source if you mix it well. Bono from U2 used to record with an SM 58, which is the same 57 capsule with a different grill. Anthony Kiedis recorded the whole Californication album with an SM 57 too. I tracked the vocals for my band's last single with a 57 too. These are my results: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4XHfHiffpKijtksi=MwoOiA7yx1Lcb0wZ
@justhouz2 ай бұрын
I'm not that surprised about the mic used. If you look at some entry level references, you can have good results. For example the Prodipe TT1 is cheap ( about 40€) and sounds really good for vocals. I'm a bit more surprised by the fact that it was recorded in the control room.
@ianhardcastle35062 ай бұрын
Floods all about capturing a perfomance in the studio so it makes sence, give Dave the same mic he uses when singing live and a simillar enviroment no vocal booth. The result warants the method.
@oortone2 ай бұрын
There would be less popping in your microphone if you back off 5 cm or use a pop shield. :-D
@Byron101_2 ай бұрын
pure YT nonsense.... for the "hobbyists good feeling" ^^ HINT: SM57/58 was only for fast sketches, performance improvisations and demo takes !!!! Most of Violator was recorded at Puk Studios in Denmark. They have a healthy collection of Neumanns at Puk -U47, U67, M49 - and these mics were often used for Dave Gahan´s voice! plus a biiiiig SSL console, expensive Neve preams, API stuff, Urei comps, etc.
@VaughnGeorge2 ай бұрын
"Pure YY nonsense" you say?? You are correct on these facts regarding the DM Violator gear etc. I was merely pointing out that there are countless examples of where great records have been produced using less than perfect gear in less than perfect environments. VG :-)
@Orschd2 ай бұрын
I have six mics here at home... I prefer the Rode NT1 Sig. But...for Vocals, I use a 27 US$ Yamaha Copy of the Sm57. Why? Dunno! I like the sound! That's it.
@dalidamezine52192 ай бұрын
Hi VG 👋🏽👋🏽👋🏽👋👋👋🏽
@jojolecruchotdugeeklille26812 ай бұрын
instead Shure (S)m57 Dynamic ???? 😀
@VaughnGeorge2 ай бұрын
Good to see you're paying attention!! VG :-)
@mjg15442 ай бұрын
I’ll take both y’alls word for it. 👍🏽
@eancurtis93332 ай бұрын
that's funny that's how I exactly record 57 with the monitors loud ... And people laff
@retter2critical2 ай бұрын
No cans, so lots of bleed?
@crystalbepis2 ай бұрын
There are certainly 'better' mics out there, but the SM capsule is the sound of rock and roll, whether we like it or not. I firmly hold the belief that if you're in a pinch, you can always get it done with a 57, a bit of creativity and bugger all else.
@seldonplanB-242 ай бұрын
All true...I will add however, one thing that can ABSOLUTELY RUIN an album is a poor drum mix. I have heard excellent albums by up and coming bands that were SOOOO close to greatness, if the dang drums had only been mixed properly
@bwwolf2 ай бұрын
It's not that uncommon for producers to do that. Rupert Hine has done it very often in the past.
@Somedei2 ай бұрын
I got a 57 to record my vocoder now it will take my vocal takes 😂😂 or at least try and listen ❤
@Somedei2 ай бұрын
The U87 is really not the mic you want to have as an example of a good mic. And 2.5k is cheap on the mic world. Try a C12 a U47 and check the prices
@VaughnGeorge2 ай бұрын
Maybe so but I will stick to my guns by saying that the U87 is an outstanding mic and by you saying it's not is your opinion which you are entitled to of course. VG
@toneman5012 ай бұрын
SM 57's have been used on thousands ,if not millions of recordings... That microphone in front of you is basically a glorified 57...only twice the price...
@Noone-of-your-Business2 ай бұрын
There is a _lot_ of repetition in this one. Please edit out redundancies. Nobody wants to hear the same thing five times in one video. You could have used this time to explain the change in sound and/or handling instead.
@mantibarlow62722 ай бұрын
This^
@Brutuscomedy2 ай бұрын
Actually a 57 can be a first choice for great vocalists. Don't think so? Well, you haven't heard enough stories yet then.
@dasczwo2 ай бұрын
sm 57? i think bon iver.
@JackHekler2 ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3K1Y6l4fJtmb6ssi=TTiCttKJ9pkB7go6&t=4132 reminded me of this clip recording "Sweet Dreams"
@diegomayfield47512 ай бұрын
Maybe a 58 , I read flood using no headphones and a 58 to get singers to give a better performance.
@syracusemusic15392 ай бұрын
You got to remember Violator was recorded in multiple studios. As Pino said when he was working with Dave in Milan ( at Logic studios ) he used a 57. But I saw an interview with Steve Lyon ( another Engineer on Violator ) when working with Dave in London, Steve stated he used a 58.
@MyJoyDepecheMode2 ай бұрын
🥰👍❤👍🥰
@LudekFiala2 ай бұрын
Here's The Mission's Wayne Hussey using an SM57 on 'Belief'. This practise is not as uncommon as it might seem. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3OVoa2qpNZ9q5osi=iQoqC1rCh0-dzccS
@Sarqaq12 ай бұрын
Actually I am more bummed with this video, now I know I cant do music like that because Im not talented like them, no matter how expensive equipment I would buy