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Discussing MLB relocation with the A's and White Sox

[@josephosheavideos3992]

The White Sox main problem is not their ballpark (which is only 33 years old and in decent shape); it's definitely NOT their location (in Bridgeport, one Chicago's safest neighborhoods); it's not even their historically bad team (on pace to break all modern records for futility). It's aging owner Jerry Reinsdorf, who might be the oldest owner in baseball at age 88. While his other team, the NBA Bulls appear to have a succession plan in place with his son Michael seemingly in charge, there is no indication of who will run the Sox when Jerry passes from the scene. When the White Sox get their ownership situation straightened out, all the other issues with the team will fall into place - hopefully.

[@marblox9300]

Nope.

[@jonathanfrimerman8855]

Can the white sox change name to black sox

[@williamg8269]

​@@jonathanfrimerman8855Chicago White-Sucks

[@macgoldie7771]

😂😂😂​@@williamg8269

[@retrowarehouse2554]

I mean they play in the city, but I think their location has kept them from consistent attendance issues, nobody wants to go to the south side to watch a game. I think the South Loop is the perfect location for them right off the edge of downtown like Chicago Sky/DePaul and Bears at Soldier Field. Most teams have bad ownership and still have great attendance, look at the Bulls since Jordan they still are amongst the best in the NBA even with Jerry as owner. It's all about location, where the Blackhawks changed it around with Rocky was putting all of the game on TV and putting out a better product. They've struggled the last few seasons and still have very good attendance because the United Center is in a great area for fans to get to.

[@jasonkane6846]

Couple of things....The White Sox, Blackhawks and Bulls are starting their own network in October so that's something to consider AND the Sox and Cubs have both existed in the same city for 125 years so to say the city can't support two teams is preposterous. It boils down to one thing and one thing only JERRY'S GOTTA GO!

[@retrowarehouse2554]

Yep, people are forgetting that new network will also help keep the Sox in town. The city can support two teams and has for more than a century like you mentioned. The Sox honestly have bad ownership and the stadium is in a sucky part of town. I think that South Loop project will help a lot with attendance because it'd be right on the edge of downtown and next to hotels similar to the Bears on the lakefront who are also located on the edge of downtown. Bad idea for the Bears to even consider moving to the suburbs as well. The Sox has had periods where attendance has been great, what keeps the Cubs selling out games or having huge attendance numbers is that Harry Carry who was on the southside bought up the mystique of the franchise back in the 80s with the Superstation deal making the Cubs a national team and Wrigley Field is like a museum, so it's an attraction more than the Cubs themselves. People really need to realize this stuff.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

The era of markets having more than 1 team in a league (besides much more bigger NY and LA metros) IS OVER. Especially with Illinois population loss and the fact Boston Philadelphia St Louis and now the California Bay Area all used to have 2 teams and sports league can't just endlessly create expansion team after expansion team.

[@kawhi2019]

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa You couldn't be more wrong, Chicago can easily support two teams, it wouldn't me too if the Bears really decide to leave town which I don't see happening, they would attract another team to play within city limits which is why the Bears have to be careful moving to the suburbs. We're going to have 40 teams in every league eventually, it's just a matter of time.

[@perfectten7077]

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa wrong there a lot of folks in Chicago that would never cheer for the cubs

[@TrustySteeringWheelTray]

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa The second teams in Boston, Philly, STL etc left like 70+ years ago. They were not as storied of franchises as the Sox are now (will be 125 year in Chicago next year). Expand the MLB. The last expansion was 26 years ago. If expansion cannot happen, then move the "newer" expansion teams that don't show up to support their team, even in playoff years (Rays and Marlins most notably).

[@marblox9300]

That bad White Sox Park still looks better than that new Yankee Stadium which is a poor replacement for the original.

[@agvga5510]

It certainly does not. 😂😂😂

[@marblox9300]

@@agvga5510 Yes, it certainly does. That new YS just looks like a modern multi-purpose stadium - the only thing that they added was the Friese on the top which doesn't even look like original on the house that Ruth Built.

[@BrianThompson-dj8rh]

Yea not. I’m not the biggest fan of Yankee Stadium but Guaranteed Rate Field is a dump. They don’t even compare to each other

[@MrZinjanthropus]

The Cell or Guaranteed Rate, or Rate Field is ugly! Yankee Stadium is ugly. Who cares which one is the uglier or ugliest.

[@jeffammons912]

What I don't understand is why the Sox ownership can't do for Sox Park what the Bulls and Blackhawks have proposed for the United Center where they are using their own money, especially since Reinsdorf owns the Bulls as well.

[@ogKoral]

Same reason as to why the Bulls are content with being a .500 (or lower) team rather than a championship contender: Jerry is cheap and senile - while also more concerned over a new stadium rather than the team that will be playing in it. It’s a terrible thing to say about anyone, but most if not all Bulls and Sox fans are waiting for Jerry to die. As a fan of both teams, I’m personally watching to see how much irreversible damage he can do before he goes. As of this comment on this day, the Bulls are projected to do nothing (again), and the Sox are so bad that analysts are drawing comparisons to not only the 62’ Mets, but the fucking 1899 Cleveland Spiders (20-134).

[@LoneStarWatch]

Bulls are the Reinsdorf family business. White Sox are Jerry’s plaything

[@MegaJustGeorge]

@@ogKoral Yes, my friend, Jerry Reinsdorf has wrecked this historic baseball club - I suspect that he's made it much worse than it was when he and Eddie Einhorn bought the team from Bill Veeck. Even though the Pale Hose have won one World Series title in our lifetimes - 2005 - no matter what happens, the South Siders will be the perpetual second fiddle to the Cubs; to this, I say that Reinsdorf sell the team to someone who knows the reality of baseball fandom in Chicago, and that person can try to get a deal for, and build - with their own money - a new ballpark elsewhere.

[@Sea_Stallion]

Why pay for your own stadium when you can fleece the city to pay for it

[@ogKoral]

@@MegaJustGeorge Here’s the thing though and what kills me to my core: He was actually doing something right in 2021 - then he reversed all of his progress and then some when he hired Tony LaRussa. Since LaRussa got that DUI immediately after signing as manager, we have never recovered since.

[@djdiemdduejdj]

The Angels aren't moving. If you are new to baseball I recommend checking attendance the last 20 years. The Angels problem is a meddling owner that keeps sabotaging the team.

[@ec1628]

I don’t know what this guy has against the Angels and Anaheim Stadium. It’s a great venue to watch a game. Not much more is needed. I shouldn’t take him too seriously. He keeps saying the Dodgers need a dome. So his points of view are more than a little off.

[@retrowarehouse2554]

You guys are right, the Angels aren't leaving the #2 market in the league and the Angels attendance has been so great over the past 2 decades. There's nothing even wrong with Angel Stadium either, they can probably use another big renovation, but it's a much prettier ballpark to me and more modern than the overrated garbage looking Dodger Stadium that looks like Shea Stadium of the west coast.

[@713davidh42]

@@ec1628 If you think Ginger's analysis of the Angels is bad just look at his delusional political videos for Trump.

[@ec1628]

@@713davidh42Two minutes in the penalty box for an unneeded political post.

[@phillipowens3612]

Angels relocation will be from Anaheim to Carson🥱 Orange🍊County to LA County at the farthest🙄

[@ethancook5705]

Jerry Reinsdorf is one of the worst owners in all of professional sports.

[@SizzurpFoo]

Doesn't he own the Bulls also?

[@MrZinjanthropus]

Hes the worst owner.

[@jasonkane6846]

​@@SizzurpFooYup

[@marblox9300]

No, he's a good owner - he buys donuts.

[@stewgotz1]

HAVE YOU MET JOHN FISHER???

[@dmdeester]

A good way to get the community interested in the Angles, don't call them Los Angles. People in OC don't like to think of themselves as LA. Also, I'd be sad to see the White Sox move since they've been in Chicago for well over 120 years.

[@aicofrena505]

Don't call him LA and yet everybody who passes Santa Ana from the south already calls Anaheim and everything north to it to Buena Park Los Angeles anyway Orange County does not really have its own identity other than Santa Ana Huntington Beach and everything south of that for the most part everything north of it is LA Junior anyway The freeways the maintenance the style the look it's all LA Jr and with good reason it was LA County anyway until 100 years ago

[@jonstefanik9400]

Call the Angels what they are. The California Angels.

[@LucasEB22]

Nah, always will be the Anaheim angels, just like I refer to the twins as Minneapolis

[@tonypanzarella9387]

@@LucasEB22 I used to refer to the Twins as "Bloomington", and the Yankees as, "Bronx". And, now, the Braves as, "Smyrna".

[@Aphrachu]

@@tonypanzarella9387the Bronx is still in New York tho

[@86byrdman]

or the Orange County Angels?

[@retrowarehouse2554]

Nah, they're the Anaheim Angels, California represents the whole state and they're not the only team in the state.

[@bnx200]

The SF Giants are practically in the same city as the Oakland A's. The stadiums are approximately 16 miles apart.

[@foltie41]

First, don’t get how Guaranteed Rate is among the “five or six” worst parks. Really? The neighborhood isn’t great, granted, but there is nothing wrong with the stadium. Second, Nashville wants an expansion team. Third, Reinsdorf won’t move the team and he won’t sell it for capital gains reasons. Fourth, Reinsdorf isn’t even majority owner, just the chairman. Fifth,all this guy is is speculation.

[@jasonkane6846]

Moving the White Sox doesn't make sense for him considering the brand new TV network they're starting in a month.

[@HighpointerGeocacher]

Chicago White Sox are currently on a 20-game losing streak and are on pace to finish with a worse record than the 1962 Mets. The White Sox of 2024 are so bad that they are worse than any expansion team.

[@sambulthuis287]

@@HighpointerGeocacher21 games actually 😂

[@MrZinjanthropus]

Sox park is ugly, boring, and you feel like you're at a shopping mall. Why doesn't Jerry spend his own money and develop a neighborhood with restaurants and bars around the park?????

[@RogerLambert-s5f]

My sister is not a baseball fan. She probably went to a Cardinals baseball game, just for the beer.🍺

[@markprad]

The White Sox will never leave Chicago. It’s the current ownership that’s the problem

[@bweewiggy5829]

The problem is the same for the Chicago White Sox as it was for the Oakland A's. One major factor (one of the top-3 reasons) for the A's leaving Oakland are the dangerous, dysfunctional and dilapidated neighborhoods surrounding the Coliseum. Fans were being robbed at the adjacent BART station. in 2018, a mob of "teens" initiated a mass attack on fans. The A's are leaving Oakland because the city is full of mean gang bangers. The White Sox wish to leave the South Side for the exact same reason.

[@dntinker]

@@bweewiggy5829the Sox play in the Bridgeport neighborhood, which has less property crime than Wrigleyville.

[@kennethcurtis1856]

Move the White Sox to INDY.

[@dntinker]

@@kennethcurtis1856as a visitor to Indy… it’s not nearly as lucrative as Chicago.

[@markprad]

@@kennethcurtis1856. It will never happen.

[@matthew01234]

I cannot believe the Rays are actually going to build in the same place the current stadium is. That development better be very big and very nice. If they fill that development with "affordable housing" the people who live there won't be able to afford to go to a bunch of games and spend a lot of money. They need to surround that stadium with a bunch of people who have disposable income. It needs to be filled with people who move there specifically because they want to go to a bunch of Rays games every summer. If they can do that it might work out. This is a place that couldn't even halfway sell out their playoff games last season.

[@GeraldM_inNC]

The ethnic groups that live in "affordable housing' have zero interest in baseball.

[@AndreAllDay20]

@matthew01234 😭 cry me a river 😭

[@TheOldTapeArchive]

Trashy dome or not, the Rays have fielded competitive teams for two decades and still rank in the bottom 3 every year. The first season in a new place will be filled with curious fans. But within 3 years, it'll end up half full whether the stadium is surrounded by luxury condos or Section 8 projects. They apparently learned nothing from the Marlins fiasco.

[@GeraldM_inNC]

@TheOldTapeArchive My guess is that the Rays' era of being competitive has already ended and is not coming back. They have been bleeding talent badly these last five years. Last year they were swept in the Wild Card round, and this year it is highly unlikely that they will secure a WC. They just can't keep being competitive without significantly increasing payroll, and I can't imagine Sternberg ever doing so.

[@PenskePC17]

They will make ot a destination. They build the downtown block around the stadium now, not the stadium to rejuvenate the already existing block

[@TrustySteeringWheelTray]

Next year, the Sox will have spent 125 years in Chicago. The Sox's location, fanbase, and stadium is not the problem. They are still one of the most profitable franchises in the league. They simply have a s****y owner who stopped caring decades ago at this point. With a new owner who even cares a little bit about the team, the Sox are immediately a respectable team again. You can't compare the Sox woes to Oakland. The A's genuinely played in a aging dump, had fairly poor attendance even in competing years, and do not have the same historical connection to their city to the extent the Sox have to Chicago. The A's were first in Philly, then KC, then finally Oakland.

[@ivanpantoja8234]

If WSox Leave we would not support Jerry Reinsdorf at the United Center as A Bulls Fan or support their upcoming United Center district renovation of the 1901 Project.He would be Hated enemy #1 in Chicago

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Future generations won't care "So what. We have the Cubs anyway". As time goes on nobody will care about White Sox leaving.

[@MrZinjanthropus]

He already is hated.

[@MrDoubled57]

I'm 67 years old and have been a White Sox fan my whole life. This is an absolute train wreck. The worst I have ever seen. A new ball park is the least of their problems. PLEASE SELL THE TEAM

[@joemccullough4246]

Jerry Reinsdorf leaves the legacy of being a cheap, selfish bastard who only ever acted in his own self interests, murdered every great thing he was ever given, and alienated fans and players in the process.

[@ericradford2142]

@@joemccullough4246 Dean Spanos would like to have a word with you.

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

Not to mention it's his fault we lost the original Comiskey Park which should've been kept and been just as historic and treasured as Wrigley!

[@joemccullough4246]

@@JohnSmith-zw8vp amen!

[@juelzkellz]

@@JohnSmith-zw8vp Old Comiskey Park wasn't well maintained and the cost of rehabbing it wasn't much less than a new ballpark. Also, since it was so old, there was only so much that could be done to modernize it.

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

@@juelzkellz But wasn't that also true for Wrigley and Fenway, at least at some point in time? Remember in the late 90s/early 00s Fenway was in danger of being replaced. Even Wrigley could've been lost due to the whole stubbornness over lights thing in the 80s...

[@Jsmitty5]

When the Sox are good, they get better attendance than the rest of the Al central when those teams are good. It’s not the fans that are the problem, it’s Reinsdorf

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Not true. the data says otherwise. A Midwest city having two MLB teams is stupid. Chicago Metro is about to get leapfrogged in population in by Dallas and Houston if trends continue.

[@Jsmitty5]

@ ok how about in 2022, the White Sox finished 81-81, and averaged 7 thousand more people a game than any other team, which was Cleveland who had over 90 wins, or in 2021 we won the division and had better attendance than all the other teams in our division as well. What other stats do you want? The White Sox are by far the worst team in the 21st century, only the Rockies have been worse. In fact the royals only averaged 2000 more people than the Sox this year, and they were a playoff team and the Sox were the worst of all time. I don’t think you’re studying the data or you don’t realize how bad the Sox are.

[@MrZinjanthropus]

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa The Sox draw fans when the team is good

[@purefreedom848]

The White Sox have the 3rd best farm System in MLB, they have also are going to celebrate 125 years next year. I can see jerry sell the team before he would move it.

[@MrZinjanthropus]

Jerry would move the stadium in a heart beat if he could get someone to pay for a new stadium or deal. Who cares about the farm system or the 125 anniversary, Jerry doesn't. You forgot, the Sox also have the worse team in baseball going back 120 years.

[@schizoempirialist]

If the white Sox does leave Chicago (sad) I recommend Indiana.

[@katemoo9581]

I don’t believe the White Sox are relocating until I hear legit talk about it

[@Trumpetjoe40]

Indianapolis and its suburbs are exploding with population-I agree.

[@giacobbeperales5926]

Merrillville would be perfect.

[@GpL_2000]

@@giacobbeperales5926huh? Never heard of it. “Would be perfect” some tiny ass town can support an MLB club, talk about delusion.

[@giacobbeperales5926]

@@Trumpetjoe40 Merrillville, Indiana is next to Chicago 🙂

[@dntinker]

The White Sox just signed a new local tv deal a few months ago. They aren’t moving.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

They should because a Midwest city having 2 teams in a league is still dumb. Especially with Illinois population loss

[@dntinker]

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Chicago has a metro population of 9 million. Illinois has a population of 12 million. Compare just the metro to neighboring Iowa or Missouri.

[@robertlindey2538]

Could an MLB team in nearby Milwaukee draw fans from the Cubs and White Sox in the extreme part of NE Illinois? I read that the White Sox played some "home" games in Milwaukee during their MLB void from 1966-1969 (post-Braves, pre-Brewers). Chicago had no NBA team from Summer 1963 to Autumn 1966.

[@dntinker]

@ well I don’t think the Brewers do that. I’m from that tip of NE Illinois and I always hated Wisconsin

[@ComPavel]

The Bears also wanting a new stadium isn’t good for the White Sox.

[@Weeki370]

Tampa and St Pete are rivals, the Tampa people think they have to drive 3 hours to st pete and for some reason when you say you must drive over a bridge the Tampa people act like you have to drive over Mt Everest to get there

[@marblox9300]

I thought Mount Everst was in between. Hey, what do I know.

[@DAnderson-ls6cb]

Narrator's take on Chicago W Sox and Rays are both almost completely wrong. Biggest issue is exactly what @Weeki370 mentioned here....which the narrator did not mention. Majority of people in the Tampa Bay metro area lives on the other side of the bay and does not want to go to St Pete. Lot of Rays fans in the large Metro TB area...but they are happy selling out more easily geographically accessible stadiums in Tampa to watch the Lightning and Buccaneers.

[@christophermallon9419]

I don’t know whether it’s just me, but I’ve been to all 30 current ballparks, I don’t understand the hate for Guaranteed Rate Field, the concourses are wide, the food is great, I’ve been there a couple of times and really enjoyed the atmosphere too

[@JoePCool14]

I don't really get it either. But what I will say it is: it's bland. There's really nothing very interesting about it. Plus the location is bad, in terms of being in a good neighborhood.

[@kjhuang]

Depressed Ginger will say any stadium is bad if there's the faintest whiff of relocation possibility. Angel Stadium is nowhere near as bad as he makes it out to be either.

[@arandomdudeontheinternet5792]

@@kjhuangAnd nowhere near the amount of relocation talks for the Angels as ginger makes out to be. With how much he talks about the Angels moving I’m surprised he has said nothing about the Ducks, because Honda Center was built before the Rams left town.

[@ec1628]

He’s constantly bashing Anaheim Stadium too. No Halo fan is disappointed with the stadium or its amenities. Seems like he has the same myopic view of the WS home too.

[@designer0798]

@@JoePCool14 The neighborhood isn't "bad", it's just not integrated into the neighborhood the way Wrigley is, but Wrigley is basically the exception. So there just aren't interesting things around the ballpark. All the new ones (like the proposed one) are part of some larger development

[@togoandmoss]

I sat outside in Las Vegas last Thursday for the triple A team Avators… it was 105 degrees at first pitch… and nobody died!! Game was sold out… should show that Las Vegas is a great pro baseball market.

[@Victor-cr5rr]

How ? I give you guys props ,I'm sorry I could not do it

[@ericradford2142]

You all stayed hydrated

[@CynicalCharlatan88]

I grew up going to stars/51s games at cashman field never once did we cry about the heat.

[@GenericYoutubeGuy]

Not going to be popular at all for the countrymen that live outside of Las Vegas. New Orleans, or Nashville would be popular across multiple states, while Indianapolis or Richmond would be the only competition in one state area as well as being highly popular among neighboring states without mlb teams themselves.

[@desmondcastro3679]

It is hard to attend a game any earlier than 9:00 pm.🏜️😎🍹

[@GeraldM_inNC]

Bad Bad Leroy Brown is going to be so disappointed if the White Sox move.

[@bobski7032]

He’s got a 32 gun in his pocket for fun..he’s got a razor in his shoe

[@Jpk21]

Now Leroy's, more than trouble You see he stands, about 6 foot 4 All the downtown ladies call him "treetop lover" All the men just call him "sir"

[@starguy2718]

The Southside of Chicago is the baddest part of town.

[@Tank4Life]

Angels Stadium is hardly decrepit.

[@kjhuang]

I doubt Depressed Ginger has ever set foot in Angel Stadium. He just likes trashing stadiums if he hears about (or makes up) any possibility of relocation.

[@aicofrena505]

Angel Stadium is crap it's boring it's lame it's in the middle of a boring suburb I hate dodger Stadium too but at least it overlooks downtown and our stadium is right in the heart of downtown and the heart of the harbor in San Diego so I don't see you why Angel Stadium is there it's just a boring place if only the deal didn't fall through would be sick to see a bayfront stadium in Long Beach out in Los Angeles County matter of fact seal Beach and Westminster need to go back into Los Angeles County and have that part of its identity because Orange is just useless

[@glengoad7846]

I'd rather have the expansion Nashville Sounds instead of the White Sox. Send the Sox to Indy.

[@GeraldM_inNC]

@@glengoad7846 How about the Nashville Elvis-Impersonators?

[@controlyourvessel1710]

I'm a Stadium conasure. Since I was a little kid was always intrigued and could name every stadium every pro team played in before corporate sponsorship took over and you had a carousel of name changes. I just wanted to say we are kinderd spirits and I really enjoy your channel

[@conorgilles81]

The main thing wrong with the White Sox stadium is that it's in the middle of a parking lot between a freeway and a rail yard. If they built on some of that parking and made it a place people wanted to hang out near, like Wrigley, it would make all the difference. The stadium is right near two metro stops and it's easy to get to.

[@ralevo]

What is wrong with Bridgeport? It's a very safe area, almost all cops, firefighters and various city workers. The problem is there aren't many bars or restaurants within walking distance of the park. And the new proposed stadium is what, 2 miles away? Not much change in the neighborhood. And people are very forgetful, stupid or both. When I was growing up in the 70s, Wrigley Field was NOT in a good neighborhood. Neither was the United Center.

[@MrZinjanthropus]

Jerry refused to invest in the neighborhood. Why doesn't he develop the neighborhood and make it similar to Wrigleyville???

[@marblox9300]

Another problem with the W-Sox park is the symmetrical looking outfield.

[@danielpecaro777]

Lifetime White Sox fan until last off-season. Firing of announcer Benetti was the last straw. Obsolete ballpark surrounded by asphalt. Fans are in the suburbs. Move.

[@soxpacker]

He was not fired, he left.

[@JoePCool14]

He probably left because the ownership treated him terribly. Jerry needs to sell and the Sox should move outside of Chicago to the suburbs.

[@jamesmiller5331]

My family and I went to her first MLB game on June 29th and we liked the park and enjoyed the game. I was surprised to hear him say it's potentially the 4th or 5th worst stadium.

[@soxpacker]

@@jamesmiller5331 I doubt very much he's ever been there.

[@jasonkane6846]

​@@soxpackerHalf right, his NBC Sports Chicago expired and they didn't renew it. I'm pretty sure our friend Jerry had something to with that.

[@theblackhood4812]

The A’s and Angels need new owners, the Rays need to move to Tampa Bay, the White Sox need to leave town entirely, or a new owner who doesn’t micromanage every damn thing there is

[@jetfan925]

*Tampa proper

[@jeremybingham7505]

Tampa Bay is a body of water in which they are not even a half a mile away from. Your comment is silly

[@marblox9300]

If they would have placed the new 1991 White Sox Park in the same footprint as the old one I would have been good with it. But across the street and facing the other direction just never worked for me.

[@DaleChiTown]

I think taking a charter AL franchise from a 2 team town in the third largest market and move them to a smaller market, would be a non starter for MLB.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Houston and Dallas are going to leapfrog Chicago metro in population soon. And Illinois in general is losing population. No Midwest city deserves two teams in a league. In fact NO metro should have more than 1 team. Especially Shitcago.

[@robertlindey2538]

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Bring a National League team to Houston (through expansion or relocation) and brand them as the new "Colt 45's?" This was the name of the Astros from 1962-1965.

[@benjouras2498]

Ok, Bridgeport is definitely NOT a "bad part" of the city. It's not the richest neighborhood but it's still a genuinely nice place to be

[@admirals818]

5:23 The Oakland area does have another MLB team. They're called the San Francisco Giants.

[@arojaaspmf]

The stadium and the area is not as bad as you described. The problem is the ownership that do not spend money in the team.

[@seanmuir9594]

Anaheim Stadium is in great shape for its age compared to Oakland which has been a rat-infested dump for 2 decades. That being said, a new stadium is something to consider. However, how can you rely on or trust the worst owner in baseball? It's depressing for the fans who have finally had enough. Moreno has counted on a loyal fan base who continued to attend games but the drop is due to a soft boycott now. Moreno has got to go before anything is done.

[@JamesDavidWalley]

Love the rendering of the new ChiSox stadium on St. Patrick's Day (Chicago River dyed green, etc.). Do you think anyone bothered telling the development firm that the MLB season doesn't start on or before March 17th???

[@jimfischer63]

This is all just speculation. Depressed Ginger needed a topic for a video, so he made stuff up.

[@moeyyy7975]

Bro the halos are not relocating for another 20 years. You’re the only one who ever mentions it

[@arandomdudeontheinternet5792]

Ik, I see way, way more Angel fans than I do Padres fans. I feel like they will stay in Anaheim, and that they have a large enough parking lot to build another stadium for the Angels. The only way I see them moving would be to Irvine or Long Beach and if the Ducks move to Irvine or San Diego because they’re in the same parking lot (similar to the Oakland Coliseum and Oracle Arena) and that both Honda Center and Angel Stadium gets demolished at the same time.

[@ec1628]

Thank you! And there’s very little wrong with Anaheim Stadium.

[@aicofrena505]

I don't know where your eyesight's been I hardly even see any red in Orange County I see a lot more dodger blue there and lately I've been seeing Padre Brown it's like the Angels aren't even existent in the county that separates the two major cities with their two unique metropolitan areas oh by the way LA consumes Orange County and its Metro

[@ec1628]

@@aicofrena505Remember it’s the big three here in SoCal and then everyone else is a distant 4th and so on. No matter where you go in SoCal The Dodgers, trOJans, and Lakers dominate the scene I doubt if you combine all the other teams including UCLA that you will equal the amount of gear one of those teams sell. So yes. There is definitely more Dodger fans in the OC just like UCLA and the Clippers take a back seat to the Lakers and trOJans. Maybe if the Rams did not ruin their look with the most ridiculous rebrand and logos we would see more Ram gear. But that’s an entirely different story. A story of shooting one’s self in the foot for no reason.

[@410phee4]

Guarantee rate field sucks, but the park is in Bridgeport 😂 a nice place right off the red line. Jerry just wants a new spot in south loop

[@thechosenone2740]

Sox aren’t going anywhere.

[@MrJpiarull]

John Fisher is the modern day Rachel Phelps simple as that

[@boogitybear2283]

Chicago already has 2 teams; the Chicago Cubs and Milwaukee Brewers. 😂

[@arandomdudeontheinternet5792]

We also have 2 teams here in L.A., the L.A. Dodgers and the San Diego Padres

[@marblox9300]

@@arandomdudeontheinternet5792 Don't bee sillo. San Dago is a diffnt town.

[@adrianramirez4137]

got swept

[@arandomdudeontheinternet5792]

@@marblox9300 I know, I’m just going along with the joke because Milwaukee is about as far from Chicago as San Diego is from L.A.

[@albertsancho5909]

Yeah the white sox should move to Nashville to have their own TV market/territory. Chicago is cubs territory.

[@rsully388]

come to the south side and say that

[@timothymaynard8017]

I am happy the Rays aren’t moving, but attendance will always be an issue as long as they play in St. Pete. That side of the bay is not as populated as the Tampa side. I am not sure of the current numbers, but four years ago there were about 600k people within thirty minutes of the Trop. If the stadium was on the Tampa side there would be 1.5 million people within a 30 minute drive.

[@patrickmattes4935]

I truly appreciate your hard work for this channel. {Current 2024 White Sox home attendance: 16,000, GRF holds 40,000} IL credit rating = Worst in USA + Top 3 (total debt states). City of Chicago and Bears are talking public $$ too; Bears are probably the most popular team in Illinois. White Sox are probably at the bottom of Chicago pro sports teams fan total and interest.

[@designer0798]

Didn't used to always be that way. They've been around for 125 years and for easily half that time they were a bigger draw than the Cubs. It's really the last ~15 years when things have been bad, and even then they did win 93 games 3 years ago

[@johnalello9233]

New Orleans could be a good location for expansion right now they have triple A team

[@stuartrubin5730]

Not correct. No such team at this time.

[@BrentLA]

I wish they could expand here

[@arandomdudeontheinternet5792]

The pelicans have some of the worst attendance numbers in the nba and same with the saints and the nfl, they don’t show up the same way as a Nashville or Charlotte does for their teams. Plus New Orleans is decreasing in population which is something that should be avoided when trying to expand somewhere.

[@johnalello9233]

@arandomdudeontheinternet5792 I hate to say but I think your wrong both accounts! Saints average over 70,000 each home game and Pelicans maybe around 14,000 a game with some sellouts with a good team showing up! And New Orleans is a sports town! They also have triple A. Baseball with major league MLB exhibition games back in the day! Yes it's population not the size of Houston Dallas Miami Atlanta but people love coming here the tourists! So one day maybe who knows!

[@arandomdudeontheinternet5792]

@@johnalello9233 so the pelicans average 14,000 a game when the average nba team draws 18,000 fans for 20,000 seat arenas, totally not bad attendance, am I right. And btw, the New Orleans Baby Cakes aren’t a team anymore, they were demoted and became the Wichita Wind Surge, get your facts right.

[@michaelmilitello5644]

Getting the white Sox a new stadium isn’t going to fix BAD BAD BAD OWNERSHIP.

[@MrZinjanthropus]

I agree. The Sox owner doesn't care about anything except getting more IL tax payers to fund ANOTHER new stadium for him.

[@ronniesouthern7829]

30k for the Rays. Sounds about right since the fans don’t support them.

[@harryballsak1123]

Enough of that BS narrative seriously GFY.

[@theblackhood4812]

Their location sucks, more fans would attend if they were actually closer to Tampa Bay if not, in Tampa Bay

[@harryballsak1123]

@@theblackhood4812 Well maybe not Tampa Bay since that's body of water but Tampa yes. But that ship has sailed so it's either this or nothing. Now supposedly they are expanding the bridges getting into ST Pete. not sure have been there is many many years so maybe that will help. But teh notion that fans don;t care is BS. Their TV ratings are not in the bottom

[@ronniesouthern7829]

@@harryballsak1123 Not BS when your team cant even draw 20k for a playoff game. Thats a fact because it happened last fall.

[@harryballsak1123]

@@ronniesouthern7829 It is BS. As has bene stated the stadium is in a terrible location. No one except someone from Pinellas County is going to go to games. Tell me you've never driven form Tampa to St Pete without telling me you've never driven from Tampa to St Pete. And you're definitely no going to draw from Orlando and other areas either. You know the areas that areas growing in population unlike St Pete. Not wanting to put up with traffic and a shitty stadium does not make you "not a fan" when onw can watch at home and save the hassle

[@smpark12]

GR Field is fine, the Sox can improve their stadium by fixing the fact that they demolished an entire neighborhood for useless parking.

[@MrZinjanthropus]

Big empty parking lots. Why not develop 35th street with restaurants and bars from the stadium to Halstead?

[@dwragsdale4172]

The White Sox would move to Charlotte, NC. The triple A ballpark in Charlotte was built to expand easily.

[@shaindaman13]

I have been all through the Knights stadium doing fire alarm work. All over the roof and service areas. It could easily upgraded for sure. I agree. Whole lot easier than that A’s deal Im Sacremento. I live in Greenville SC very close to Charlotte and I can tell you, this area WOULD support an MLB team.

[@HighpointerGeocacher]

The Charlotte Knights are the current AAA affiliate of the White Sox, so it would be ideal to move to the Charlotte area. Charlotte is on the NC-SC border and the combined population of the two Carolinas is over 16 million. It is the most populous region in the USA without an MLB team. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Knights

[@GeraldM_inNC]

I lived in Charlotte 2016-2021. The downtown (which they call "Uptown") has very little residential housing. The people most likely to fill up a MLB stadium hardly ever go downtown and don't look forward to it. Many people never set foot "Uptown." It's a car culture, and the people most likely to attend MLB games all live on the outskirts of Charlotte, or in places like Matthews, Weddington and Balantyne. The explosive growth going on in the region is all south of the ring road, between Matthews and the South Carolina border. If the Charlotte region should ever get a MLB franchise, this is where the stadium needs to go. Northerners think of downtowns as gentrified areas populated by Yuppies, so they are always thinking of downtown stadiums in the South whenever the subject comes up. Our downtowns aren't Yuppie paradises. The health of our cities are in the suburbs, and the right place for sports stadiums are in the exurbs. Same story for Raleigh as for Charlotte.

[@AndreAllDay20]

San Antonio, not Charlotte. Too close to Atlanta. That's Brave's country.

[@Christian-xf4xm]

@@AndreAllDay20San Antonio is Astros country

[@mothygryphon9111]

League could force the sale of the team as long as they stay where they are.

[@wandtvdougwolfe1]

The Sox are not going anywhere outside of the Chicago TV market. They’ve even created a new TV network to broadcast the Sox, Bulls & Blackhawks which launches in October 2024.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Illinois is LOSING population though. And no Midwest city deserves two baseball teams. Especially when a sports league can't just endlessly create expansion team after expansion team. There are many fast growing metro areas who want teams. Chicago can't be taking up two spots. Metropolitan areas having more than 1 team in a league is lame anyway. White Sox should relocate.

[@wandtvdougwolfe1]

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Zero chance of that happening. Thanks for your comment.

[@MrZinjanthropus]

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa That argument doesn't make any sense.

[@reesejabs1895]

A new stadium for the White Sox? (A.K.A - the White Flags) - That's like giving a comatose patient a new car.

[@bikingD]

A team should move to Vancouver. Gives an East vs West Canadian teams. Early game time zone then late game time zone. Plus Vancouver has way, way, way more money than most US cites in the running. Makes perfect sense.

[@retrowarehouse2554]

I agree, I wouldn't mind it if they skipped Montreal for the Expos return and just situate a team in Vancouver in stead that way there's better balance on the west coast like you mentioned. Gives Seattle a much needed close geographical rival too.

[@Ironcabbit]

Considering they’ll never give Portland a team…. Kept us still waiting fifty years now.

[@SizzurpFoo]

Should move them to Nashville or Indianapolis

[@ethancook5705]

Indy is a possibility if they can’t land an MLS expansion team.

[@giacobbeperales5926]

Merrillville, Indiana

[@designer0798]

Both of those metro areas *combined* do not add up to 50% of the Chicago metro area. They barely make it to 40%. Any of these other cities would be a step backwards for MLB

[@ethancook5705]

I agree. I think the most likely scenario would be they move to the suburbs.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

​@@designer0798Illinois is losing population. Most of Chicagos metro cheers for the Cubs anyway. NBA moved Seattle to smaller market OKC and now all of Oklahoma is loyal to NBA. Was that a step back for NBA? White Sox need a fresh start in a new market where they can actually be the most popular MLB team in their market because that is never happening in Chicago with the Cubs.

[@JSFGuy]

Now I got a notice.

[@Christian-xf4xm]

I think the MLB will buy the Sox and then sell them to the best bidder

[@Invinitee]

White Sox moving from Chicago to another city will hurt them money wise and also the team is one owner from becoming a real MLB team

[@soxpacker]

This guy just likes to talk... it's based on nothing.

[@afvet5075]

Since when is it a good idea to put any sports team in a gaming city like Las Vegas where betting on sports is illegal for ANY player? Thats like putting a thief in charge of a bank.

[@JD-iu6rv]

There was a little bit more info about the spurs new arena that came out the other day

[@86byrdman]

A new arena for the Spurs feels unnecessary. I know they're trying to build everything around Wemby and he's a big part of their future, but the Spurs current arena is fine. They just moved into it 21, 22 years ago. Also, what happens if Wemby leaves the Spurs the moment he can get a max deal? Yeah, I'm sure the Spurs would try to keep him, but if he was to leave, the Spurs would have an egg on their face moving to a new arena and Wemby not being a part of that. They should stay at the AT&T Center, or whatever it's called now. LOL

[@bweewiggy5829]

It's too dangerous to go to a ballgame in Chicago.

[@jeffreyreyes6800]

Relocation is not the answer for the white Sox they need new ownership

[@daves9355]

Raleigh wants a franchise. They have all the underlying fundamentals a city needs.

[@joemoney91]

I told you there was no way the Rays would leave !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@GeraldM_inNC]

Sternberg doesn't care about attendance, he only cares about having a state-of-the-art stadium. St. Pete gave him what he wanted, so he'll stay and spend the least possible money on payroll. Expect an average of 10,000 per game and annual finishes outside the wild card.

[@AndreAllDay20]

Don't worry about the Tampa Bay Rays, Depressed Ginger. They're be fine. They're not relocating to Orlando or Nashville like you want them to. They're staying in the Tampa Bay area forever!

[@davidnovak707]

Take that, Rays haters.

[@GeraldM_inNC]

And coming in next-to-last in attendance forever too.

[@Weeki370]

Downtown St Pete much better than downtown Tampa, its just flows better and they have been building and improving for 12 years now

[@davidnovak707]

Skyline of St. Pete is looking good. I live in Pok County. Yes, I would rather have the stadium at the Tampa Fairgrounds. But I give St. Pete credit for getting a deal done while Tampa basically punted. Also, I do find I-375 and I-175 as convenient an in and out as any stadium I've been too.

[@BC_FantasyCommish]

DG, what do you call the Angels parking lot? Same with Royals/Chiefs? I thought I was funny in a past video you called it like a parking lot desert or something. Keep up the great work

[@tristanpassemard9365]

I believe that the White Sox should consider relocating to Portland since the Portland Diamond Project is in the process of negotiating a deal to acquire the former land that the redtail golf course was at.

[@jameslundt5302]

Enjoy your videos but do a little research --- It's the Chicago River --- and saying one thing about Chicago's two teams and then saying Oakland is stand alone when the Giants are right across the bay (about 10 miles from Wrigley to Sox park, about 20 miles from Coliseum to Oracle)? Sometimes you just don't make sense, it's like you are just talking to hear yourself talk

[@loganmicheals713]

MLB would never attempt to move the Whitesox, they're to historic and tied to Chicago, there stadium isn't in disrepair, it's just not flashy. The Angels leaving California isn't happening (they could move around in the state of California). In the last 15 years only 5 big 4 sports teams have moved, 2 moved to LA, 3* have long histories of moving (not well known but the Rams have moved around a lot), and then the Coyotes. The only time a team has left for a smaller market in the last 25 years is the Sonics leaving Seattle.

[@lucciano618]

I’m sick and tired of people making videos and saying “Guaranteed Rate Field is one of the worst in the league” like really? Stadium is not bad at all. Born and raised in the SouthSide, yes the area is not the most glamorous but it’s also not that bad. Game experience is always great. Team sucks but ownership/ front office are to blame at this point. Under new ownership this ship can definitely be turned around, I mean the fan base is there.

[@MrZinjanthropus]

Sox Park sucks!! Fans should boycott until Jerry sells the team.

[@RobertJohnson-bj5lk]

No matter how we slice it, baseball is dying a slow death in America. For a few decades, many more Americans have grown up playing little league Soccer than baseball. This is starting to manifest in lower quantities of American born players, and lower spectator interest. The fact that these new proposed stadiums have around 1/2 of the seating capacity of older stadiums is a clear indicator that team owners and municipalities can see the writing on the wall. Pretty soon, the only team selling out “baseball games” will be the Savannah Bananas. 🍌⚾️🍌⚾️🍌⚾️🍌

[@rj.trains]

This was all a part of Manfred's plan by making every team play each other every year and in each others' home stadium every other year. It reduces the need to have these second teams in most cities. You no longer need the White Sox to see Mike Trout play in Chicago. You no longer need the Angels to see the Yankees play in the LA area. Hence why we are sitting here talking about all these secondary teams in premier markets (Angels in LA, Oakland in the Bay Area, White Sox in Chicago) relocating. There is no benefit to having two teams play in a market, might as well have one team in 29 different markets. It benefits the bottom business line for MLB as a whole.

[@rjl1184]

I can't see any scenario in which the White Sox leave Chicago. It's the 3rd largest market in the United States! Is Guaranteed Rate Field out of date? Perhaps. Could it be go through a serious renovation? I think so. Hell if the Cubs could renovation the century old Wrigley Field, I'm sure the Sox can sort out a ballpark situation in the Windy City. I think the Sox relocation threat is more of a bluff, than not.

[@HighpointerGeocacher]

Not the third largest market for long. Dallas-Fort Worth metro area is expected to surpass Chicago by 2030. Also, Illinois is losing population. The state is expected to lose two congressional seats after the population tabulation in the 2030 Census.

[@drumncoke]

Love the channel and your content. That being said, "Supposuvely?" It's usually said incorrectly with a 'B', but with a 'V'?

[@adamdobbins2167]

The White Sox can and did pick in the top 5 this season in the draft.

[@Real_Sgt_Tom]

The biggest problem with the Rays attendance is because most of the fans live in the TAMPA region and trying to make a game across the bay over to St Pete is a nightmare during the week and rush time traffic times...Doing this new plan instead of building a stadium in the actual Tampa area is big mistake again...smh

[@crederules]

The White Sox are not going to relocate!

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

They should. No Midwest city deserves nor needs two baseball teams. Especially with Illinois population loss

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@HoshizakiYoshimasaOwners aren't going to vote for moving from a big city to a small one

[@shawnshep5337]

Bring the white Sox to Indy

[@audrisampson]

It is odd that Indy doesn't have a MLB team and hasn't been on the radar for one. The city LOVES sports. You could easily fit a stadium off 74 around the Ronald Reagan Parkway exit and I'm sure Brownsburg would love the economic push along with Indianapolis itself. I would also hope we would rebrand from the white sox and let them have their history incase they can get an expansion team.

[@shawnshep5337]

@@audrisampson or renavate victory firld

[@audrisampson]

@@shawnshep5337 , that could probably work short term

[@robertlindey2538]

If the A's move to Vegas, the Angels would be the only American League team in California. I don't think MLB would be too keen with the Angels fleeing that state. Maybe move the team to Long Beach or the Inland Empire?

[@coreyrowe4119]

The White Sox are on the verge of breaking the all-time AL losing streak record, Chicago won't miss them if they end up relocating.

[@matthewbrueckner8374]

You make Sacramento sound like Dubai. It's not. There are typically a few weeks during the summer when the temp gets to 100 or more. But even on those days, once the sun goes down and the delta breeze kicks in from the river, those night are amazing.

[@trewells]

It’ll be difficult to get a stadium built with tax payer dollars in California.

[@djdiemdduejdj]

Corruption helps. They were willing to give oakland almost a billion dollars for the A's project.

[@aicofrena505]

They were also willing to take away commerce and world trade and good paying middle jobs just to give these people running the athletics and incentive while screwing so many others

[@MrZinjanthropus]

Thats a good thing. Why should the tax payer fund a stadium for a billionaire????

[@SaintNormRIP]

The Angels won’t move. There’s room to build a new park in the parking lot. Also they have decent support in OC still.

[@Le_JYT]

I don’t think there’s a chance the white Sox move out of Chicago considering they’re one of the original teams

[@notnek202]

White Sox to Indianapolis

[@realalbertan]

Indiana White Sox sounds just fine

[@jasonfire3434]

White Sox to Gary 😛

[@michaelleroy9281]

​2​@@realalbertan24 out of 30 owners have to approve a move out of Chicago sometime around 2029

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@jasonfire343424 out of 30 owners have to approve a move to Gary

[@landonpearman1534]

I think the Indianapolis White Sox would be a smart move.They will finally have their own market. BTW from Guaranteed Rate to Indy is just 2 hours 45 minutes away. So loyal Sox fans from the South Side would have not that long of a drive to go.

[@COLD_HEARTED_JB62]

From the comments I’m seeing White Sox to Indy sounds lit 🔥 even though I’m a Tiger Fan 🐅 having a team in Indy would be nice!!

[@Joelong579]

I’m glad the Rays are staying put

[@frankisfunny2007]

I feel like the Rays could get a 25% to 50% increase in attendance in attendance if they just move to Tampa itself. Specifically in the Ybor neighborhood.

[@user-en7qh9jv4b]

White Sox being bad I get that but I love Gaurenteed Rate Field.

[@Matthew6248]

If they build in the same site as the current stadium, they'll probably have to find a temp. home unless its built next to the current stadium

[@David-yw2lv]

Oakland is so deteriorated I expected the Warriors and A's to leave after the Raiders My father was the only person I know who liked those circular stadia.

[@ndy3818]

I cannot decipher between the MLB owners and commissioners having prejudice against the South or some curious, understood collusion with the Braves. Basically, if the league wanted to move the White Sox/A’s ( or just an entirely new expansion franchise) to the South, it could have very easily been arranged decades ago. Somehow, in an economically booming region, Atlanta has remained the only city with MLB team. There’s quite a few candidates that would thrive as well or better than Baltimore, Detroit, CHW, Cleveland and Cincinnati

[@maureencora1]

2005 Chicago White Sox Were Great 20 yrs ago I Like the Cubs But I LOVE the White Sox.

[@DanielQuakenbush]

When Bill Veeck put those pinwheels on his exploding scoreboard I wonder if he thought that the team would keep them?