[Deprogrammed] Helena: A Detransition Story

Keri interviews Helena, 22-year-old woman who spent the majority of her teenage years embroiled in the social justice world view and identifying as transgender. At 18, she began using testosterone to medically transition but realized after 17 months that this decision was misguided, which resulted in her detransitioning. Now, she speaks out against the push to medicalize young people struggling with their body image and identity to raise awareness for the explosion of gender dysphoria in young women especially.
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About Deprogrammed
Hosted by former SJW Keri Smith, "Deprogrammed" is dedicated to unravelling Keri's former ideology.
We'll explore the philosophy, strategy, and tactics that intersectional ideologues use to program "Social Justice Warriors," turning otherwise thoughtful, critically-minded individuals into armies of extreme leftist NPCs. Some episodes are interviews with special guests, and others are deep-dives into a different aspect of "social justice" culture, drawing both from Keri's personal experience as well as current events.
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[@MiaMia-rx9dw]

So I know my beliefs and way of thinking drastically changed from the age of 15 to 18. And then from 18 to 25 even more drastically. Making these decisions at such a young age is very detrimental to the lives of these kids, its so sad. It's not just dressing up like the other sex, its taking hormones and getting surgery and things you can't take back. The therapist, counselors, and school personnel are really failing these kids. Breaks my heart.

[@tarantulady8565]

And ANYONE alive who is truthful knows that’s the case for most people. Only imbeciles think letting young kids transition is “good.”

[@MarkBanegas]

The human brain isn't even fully developed until around 25. No one truly knows who they are before that.

[@mthoodstyle]

They are failing them but their own system punishes them for anything BUT unquestioning support for medical intervention. It’s bananas! It’s hard to expect people to want to risk their careers and livelihood over this issue. We need to demand it change from the public side.

[@vedmaburuxova68]

@@mthoodstyle This is the issue. As a teacher I am terrified of losing my job and becoming unhirable, but I so want to help these misguided kids. I do have to prioritize my own situation though..

[@yuzan3607]

As soon to be 30, I'm a completely different person from who I was at 25. Physically, mentally, spiritually and politically. I cannot imagine what those people have to endure based on a decision they made when they were very young!

[@kevinferrin5695]

"I don't have a gender identity. I have a personality." Exactly right

[@candlehoarder5673]

I love how Keri interviews. So approachable and non-judgmental.

[@nywvblue]

I agree. She’d make a great therapist, too.

[@blakeada999]

She listens to something painful without trying to minimize the pain.

[@SainNemi]

@@nywvblue yes! I agree

[@pattrell5257]

What's to judge? She did one of the very best things she can do! I only hope she also repents to born again Christianity or no positives you ever do will matter...

[@exdetransitioner]

@@nywvblue Well, she should stop believing in TERF ideology first before she becomes a therapist. I won't give even a cent to TERFs.

[@daynalucas149]

What is most distressing to me as a retired pediatrician is that Helena did not mention physicians or therapists as supportive and knowledgeable to assist with her detransition. I'm very disappointed in my former profession for its failure to help young people in distress before, during and after a decision to transition

[@UnsafeSpace]

Those she did mention did the opposite. They resisted and objected to her de-transition. Abusive therapists; they appear unqualified to offer therapy to anyone based on Helena's comments. It is as if they have a personal agenda to promote gender dysphoria and "transgender identity". [Keith]

[@philiphales2109]

What happens when Critical Theory infects the fields of medicine and therapy.

[@SILVERONIN]

The medical institution has been warped in the last 20 years and my trust in it has significantly dropped.

[@h.m.7218]

Never trust a politically correct therapist. Well... Never trust any politically correct person. Yeah... got it right now.

[@TedArchbold-ih3tc]

When I was a therapist in a regional sexual abuse treatment program in 1991-1995 I worked with some individuals who had transitioned but lamented that their sexual abuse issues hadn't been addressed as they felt that they might have made the wrong choice to transition.

[@pseudonamed]

abuse does seem to be a common trend amongst detransitioners

[@Tia-Louisa]

@@pseudonamed Yes and I've seen a lot of Autistic girls making YT uploads about their teachers & school Counsellors pushing them into male hormone therapy. Very sad and concerning. ✌🏽

[@exdetransitioner]

@@pseudonamed Well, I was abused when I was small - and I'm still a trans girl!

[@TagSpamCop]

Same as Alcoholics Anonymous. It's a cult, a closed moral system that fixates on one aspect and one aspect only, and demands you internalize it as your "identity": "I am an alcoholic." They pretend it's an "illness" or "sickness" but they treat it with prayer, not medical treatment, and in no medical situation are you berated to "identify" with your illness. And trans, like AA, insists that the treatment is 100% successful all the time. It never fails. If you relapse/detrans, then that's a moral failing on you. In no other medical situation is the failure of the treatment regarded as a moral failing by the patient. You never see oncologists insist that cancer treatment is 100% effective, but if you don't go into remission, that's because you didn't follow the program. And AA never addresses the underlying causes that made people drink. They just fixate on the steps and obsessing about alcohol, making it the singular focal point of their entire lives. Which is amazingly unhealthy in its own right. Ditto trans. They're both cults.

[@TagSpamCop]

@@exdetransitioner Remains to be seen. Plenty of time left. Every Muslim insists they're a "true Muslim" and yet every ex-Muslim is told they were "never a true Muslim." Same with Christianity. There's no such thing as being born "in the wrong body." You are not "in" your body. You _are_ your body. Everything about you comes from the physical characteristics of your biology. The only reason you are you is because of your body. The idea of a separate "identity" is as unhinged from reality and magically thinking as auras or astral projection. Those who claim otherwise are ignorant science and biology deniers, as bad as any Christian creationist.

[@heatherwillis5505]

Pausing at 12:00 to say that I experienced something very similar with my therapist and my sexuality. I went through a time of confusion after my husband passed away and thought I might be gay. That was totally supported and applauded (in a way that made me kind of uncomfortable, like I’d accomplished something but I hadn’t?), but when I started to realize that I definitely was not gay, my therapist (and others) were concerned and even claimed I had internalized homophobia. It was cool if I questioned being straight, it was NOT cool if I was questioning being gay. It took me a while to get away from a woman I was seeing because everyone kept trying to convince me that it was my grief/internalized homophobia/whatever. Totally straight btw. No brownie points or applause for it, but I’m definitely straight 😂

[@benhall2235]

It’s sickening and akin to the applause that these parents are getting for castrating their children.

[@TFQ161]

Hi Heather I hope you’re in the best place ever today :) I appreciated your comment very much.

[@toomanyhobbies2011]

Congratulations for seeing the truth. I knew a guy who's wife and daughter were killed in a car accident. His "support" system convinced him that he was homosexual and he "connected" with an overbearing queer that led him into a degenerate lifestyle. I have no idea if he ever got any help for his emotion problems, but those around him failed him in the worse way.

[@ineffablemars]

@@toomanyhobbies2011 uh… you can’t be “convinced” that you’re attracted to the same sex. Either you are or you’re not. My guess is that he was bi and was exploring that side of himself. You don’t choose who you’re attracted to lmfao

[@sarahton270]

Exactly, as a sociologist I perfectly understand why we are supporting people who are thinking and questioning their sexuality, but, it's too personal and we can't say anything

[@OkTxSheepLady]

Helena is such a beautiful young lady. And very brave to speak the truth in a society which wants to squelch that message.

[@DanFerrantelli]

Both Helena & Keri have the kind of beauty that starts down deep inside of them and radiates to the surface. They also have wisdom beyond their years well earned through experience.

[@happybergner9832]

Well, I do believe that society needs to hear from people who have detransitioned.

[@sparkymularkey6970]

This girl is gorgeous. Not just because of how she looks, but because she is strong and smart and capable and she's been through so much. What a jewel. What an incredible person.

[@proyouservicesltd3652]

I saw a video Helena made as she started detransitioning, and I was feeling sorry for her, thinking she couldn't look female again. But looking at her now you can't tell that she ever transitioned. Even her voice is back to the female range .

[@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405]

She is really lucky. Some never get their voice back.

[@kittybitts567]

Thank goodness!

[@exdetransitioner]

@@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405 It's called voice training.

[@AlquimistEd]

@@exdetransitioner No, testosterone can have long lasting effects on making your voice deeper, especially if you do it before properly going through puberty. Voice training can only do so much.

[@exdetransitioner]

@@AlquimistEd MtFs like me can sound really feminine after voice training, so it is possible that she had been doing voice training just like me.

[@lisad5419]

I teach 8th grade, SO TRUE!! There are so many young girls caught up in this, very sad. We're not 'allowed' as teachers to 'out' them to their parents... They want to be called by other names, etc. Thank you!! There is hope for these confused girls.

[@glenn2745]

Such a brave young woman and so self-possessed. I can't believe we are letting this happen to children. I feel so powerless to stop this madness from being pushed on young girls by schools and the media etc.

[@friedmandesigns]

" A person was walking along the beach and pushing stranded jellyfish back into the water. Someone came along and said, "What's the point? There's thousands stranded ... what difference are you making?" The first person kept walking and after pushing another jelly into the water, said, " _It made a difference to that one, didn't it?_ " -- *You have all the power you desire. Stop the madness one piece at a time* . %-) Cheers.

[@glenn2745]

@@friedmandesigns Absurd and treacly sentimental nonsense fit for adullt-children. The Left will not be stopped until they are removed from power via force. Wake up.

[@RMBlake007]

I really appreciate Helena's thorough and articulate explanations on how she "fell into" the idea she was trans, and then the intelligent dialogue on why she de transitioned. I blame the "propaganda" of our higher education system and a run away media that wants to justify any and everything that will bring ratings. I congratulate Helena for her courage to be herself and to be public about her journey.

[@brokenumbrella913]

She nails what I've been thinking for a while--what we're calling "trams"* is probably about 4 or 5 separate issues, being unhelpfully lumped together and treated the same, to the detriment of many. As someone with the (I believe) rare neurological disconnect (that actually has little to do with "gender", in the social sense), I appreciate her thoughtfulness in approaching all these aspects of the issue. I can't imagine what it must've been like to be young in those spaces, which I was mostly shunned from/was too old for, and how much strength it took to find herself among all the pain and noise there. (*Censored the t word because when I use it my comments get deleted)

[@emprsnm9903]

_Surround yourself with people that _*_learn_*_ from their experiences in life [smart]._ Helena is one of those people you want to surround yourself with. Probably one of the wisest people in her age group+. Great interview

[@TedArchbold-ih3tc]

I have been listening to a book by Carl Trueman called "The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism, and the Road to Sexual Revolution". It really provides a historical backdrop to much of what has evolved and I think rightly identifies the central issue of who we are.

[@pseudonamed]

She hits the nail on the head when she talks about how gender identity is not really a useful way to talk about the human experience around 13:00 . There are many reasons why someone might not be comfortable in their body, or in society's expected gendered roles, etc. There should not be just one narrative that we have to shoehorn everybody into.

[@jc-ke3ll]

She seems very smart. Im very happy she is both mentally an physically healthy today.

[@noone8418]

Your identity is your name. An individual is a multi faceted and gender is one facet and a person who bases there entire “identity” on a single facet are going to have problems.

[@DanFerrantelli]

This is a very important interview and has the potential to help young women who may be caught up in the current gender ideology and interpret themselves inaccurately due to bad messaging and social contagion. Thank you for sharing!

[@exdetransitioner]

Social contagion is bullshit anyway.

[@PsychoWedge]

A recommendation for everybody unaware: her conversations with Benjamin Boyce are also really, really good. They have done three or four by this point, I think. Look them up, if you haven't watched them yet.

[@TheocratOfPoontang]

Every time I feel depressed and black pilled about the next generation I see people like Helena that give me hope.

[@rnempson1]

Be careful of this generation most are pro abortion anti guns and anti white males.

[@josedubois2295]

The possession at 15 was a really interesting insight. You can never get time back that is lost and that is what is saddest about this whole movement.

[@indigopisces]

I’m so proud of this young lady being able to see through the programming! I pray that more and more people wake up

[@danielharp5883]

Yeah... I'm like: no one is going to have any problem perceiveing me. Also, if free speech is for everyone, I can perceive you in any way I please. You are ALREADY going to perceive me in any way you please. You clearly already perceive yourself in the way you please. Great conversation! Thank you for sharing Helena. You're quite dashing.

[@philiphales2109]

I love your thumbnail picture!

[@danielharp5883]

@@philiphales2109 Hey thanks Philip! I'm a NAZARENE like Jesus!

[@philiphales2109]

@@danielharp5883 -Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam ☦️

[@SuperCodemeister]

My granddaughter is 12 years old. She is in a class with 6 girls. 3 out of those girls have said that they are demi-sexual. My granddaughter invited one of these girls for a sleepover. The girl said she didn't think that was a good idea because she is demi-sexual and my granddaughter isn't. I think this is a trend that young girls have gravitated towards as a way of feeling better about themselves, or special in some way. I hope some day we have laws that prohibit children from transitioning. I don't care what adults do to themselves, how they live their lives , or how they identify. They are adults and are free to do what they want. Children are easily influenced and some parents seem to enjoy having a child who is so unique. I have seen too many stories of people detransitioning. It is heartbreaking. I don't want to see any more. The only way for that to happen is for them not to transition in the first place. I am grateful for people like you 💛

[@aborne]

This is indeed troubling to see. I'm faced with a similar situation in my family. Let's stay strong against this social craze.

[@johnk3677]

Thanks Keri and it is painful for me to listen this young lady and her struggle. God bless her and you

[@BeccainHawaii]

My niece just came out as non binary and I wonder how much of it is about being allowed to speak her mind. My sister is very woke and will not allow anyone else to express a different opinion because she just can't mentally handle a debate and so "respectfully" asks you to stop expressing your opinion.

[@grandmastersreaction1267]

Jesus. That’s so messed up.

[@marijanasodar6330]

poor kid

[@TagSpamCop]

Non-binary - obviously - isn't a real thing (there's no such thing), but it functions as "trans lite" and an on-ramp to the trans ideology and medicalization. Unplug her from the internet. Get her involved in the outside world. It will go away. Not only does "non-binary" literally make no sense, it's ironic, because it creates a binary of "non-binary" and not-"non-binary".

[@sinisterbohemian]

"I danced with the darkness and learned its moves. Now I stand in the light and can no longer be seduced"

[@nickmagrick7702]

6:48 I have autism, they are doing this with autism. Its now becoming more common to identify AS autistic, and considered an insult to say a person with autism. The argument being, that saying that your a person with autism is likening it to saying your a person with a disease, that autism is something that is negative and secondary to your person and its a denial of your personhood. Its semantic garbage and people I know are falling for it. Which is ironic, I wouldn't have thought the hyper detail focused autistic crowd to question the meaning of the words more.

[@adamcampbellart]

Look up “Tolerance Lost” by Dr Andrew Moulden on Amandha Vollmer’s KZbin channel. Clear link demonstrated between vaccination and autism.

[@nickmagrick7702]

@@adamcampbellart okay, right off the bat. He thinks that vaccines cause most of the weird increase in modern diseases, but he completely ignores, or doesn't think about the increase in toxins like DDT, radiation, and pesticides like glyphosphate, as causes for those same diseases. At this point im waiting to hear the specific mechanized cause for autism from something within vaccines.

[@nickmagrick7702]

@@adamcampbellart and he just said its acidotal evidence. So at best its a correlation. Which is a problem. That doesn't mean hes wrong (all the time), but I don't think he has a strong understanding of whats going on. I will say, I think some vaccines should just be avoided altogether, like the flu shot, but there are plenty which people should probably get. The only thing I wish, is that people recognize these things aren't perfectly safe, its injecting some small amount of toxin and pathogen to get a response from your immune system, that automatically causes inflammation and stress, and that sometimes has adverse effects and those are sometimes serious. How often this happens is really the question.

[@nickmagrick7702]

@@adamcampbellart also, I don't know why you bring this up to me, just because I have autism. I didn't mention anything related to vaccines

[@nickmagrick7702]

@@adamcampbellart hes saying blood clots by white blood cell stimulation from the vaccines is causing these problems, but doesn't really describe HOW it works. Like, why wouldn't these problems occur during ANY infection? Why is the clotting only a problem with vaccines?

[@measl]

*You said you would provide this woman's twitter information, but it's not here, and some of us would very much like to follow her.*

[@UnsafeSpace]

The show description said "Follow her online at..." and then listed her Twitter handle. But I realize that may have been unclear, so I updated the language. It now says "Follower her on Twitter at..." -C

[@measl]

@@UnsafeSpace *When I looked t the description it was empty. I wonder if YT censored it?*

[@charlottew1245]

As an older person I am so horrified and, frankly, disgusted at the role social media is playing in this nonsense idealology. Social media is the great evil of our time, but it's here to stay, and therefore we need accountability from the hugely rich social media companies... I say hugely rich because that's what it is all about, money, not 'social'..

[@juliahartley-barnes975]

I recently had a female lesbian friend who was 6 months into transitioning to become male and one night woke up screaming about a nightmare where she was being forced into having top surgery (which was scheduled for 3 months in the future). She was hysterical over the past 18 months of obsessing over the need to transition when in reality it was the last thing on earth she actually wanted. Long story short, she felt shame over being a very femme lesbian and thought transitioning would help. Today she’s so happy she caught on to her own self delusion and is once again a happy lesbian in a relationship. This is a very real problem.

[@arob9289]

She's a lucky woman. The stigma around femme lesbian is real. Hope she stays on right path for her.

[@jeffpalumbo6060]

I normally do not post or comment publicly. But this interview was very enlightening. Lots of great insight and thought provoking information.

[@maxinefowler1186]

This was a big money maker, I noticed decades ago how many people had their hands out. I feel everyone shouldn't make snap decisions in their teens. Your teens you are living at home, and haven't experienced real life.

[@TheyDontKnowImHere]

13:22 this is a very good explanation gender identity as a concept and how it’s less than useful. Sex doesn’t change but personalities vary.

[@sallyjom-cooper470]

Possession is an accurate description for allot of struggle.

[@LiquidRush]

spirit attachment

[@angelacasein7059]

Hormones can really disrupt your whole entire system

[@richcecere]

I watched a lot of videos about Helena, and I don't remember if this is the video where she told the story about her and her friend up and leaving to drive to Chicago, but today I heard "Fast Car" by Tracey Chapman, and it reminded me of how she *may* have felt. Obviously, she may look back at that time in her life and realize now it wasn't authentic, but in that moment, while it was happening, it seems like it was a I gotta GTFOH moment. Those moments are so satisfying to me. It's freedom.

[@GerSanRiv]

I'm a straight white (yet mexican) male, and this was something so interesting to listen to.

[@LochlainnMacLock]

This was a great interview. 💜

[@DaveWillmore]

Thank you both.

[@311JW]

Just got off work and im happy i have this to listen to on the drive home... I hope it has a happy ending. HAIL Kari!!

[@TheOnePav]

God bless you, Helena! How brave and beautiful and perfect you are in understanding that you don't need to "identify" as something other than what you are. "They" call it "pride" yet they are asking people to act, to pretend being something they clearly are not, while hiding in shame of who they truly area. The real pride is in being who you truly are, body, mind and soul. Thank you for such a brave and genuine story!!

[@charliewatts333]

Everyone is too concerned about "their truth" to let "the" truth be heard.. Unfortunately many won't listen to "Helena's truth" because they'd rather pretend it's fiction since it doesn't fit neatly into their narrative.

[@AK-ne4og]

She is so so mature for a 22 year old, so wise and articulate! Amazing interview.

[@aaronhughson285]

When it comes to the pill analogy in the sense that doctors could discover a way to remove the dysphoria of persons suffering with gender identity issues this does lead me to believe that this is the reason behind and overall acceptance and also an identification of oneself with mental illness of all kinds. Instead of people having an ailment or mental illness or medical condition they are now instead of becoming that medical condition. I think it’s a twisting on the idea of “owning it“.

[@johnlewis1078]

Thank you, Keri, for this wonderful (eye-opening) interview! I feel like I am watching the world spiral into an abyss of depravity and its dragging our children down into the depths of despair. God bless you and I appreciate this young lady being so upfront about her experience.

[@christinjones6449]

This is an interesting interview. My hope is that more people like Helena have more access to people like them. They exist and need support. It’s fascinating for me to discover the perspectives of people who decide to publicly “de transition” as a trans person. What I find most commonly is that people who decide to transition after adolescence are far less likely to make that choice.

[@julie5978]

Helena is so smart for a girl her age. I follow her on Twitter and love her takes.

[@johnfritz2944]

Good for her!! She found herself on her own after getting failed by our Psychological and medical establishment. Shame on them! And Kudos to her!!

[@andrewb5412]

Helena isn't wearing a hat? How could you allow that carrie as a hat supremacist.

[@saraohara2504]

Thank you for this💗 So much❤️

[@koschei1975]

I’m really concerned. A few days ago, my 29 yr old daughter who has been lesbian since she was 16...is now saying she is transgender & wants to start testosterone later this year. I have no idea where this came from & how to help her just in case this is a big mistake.

[@UnsafeSpace]

Hope you can help her find a therapist without the personal agenda Helena's appear to have (based on her comments). This topic is covered occasionally on Unsafe Space, hope you can learn about it enough to help you daughter here and elsewhere. Keri refers to the present day high rate of trans-claiming people as trenders, following a popular trend rather than being the quite rare transgender person from decades ago. Those rare cases generally are not encouraging it on others, and don't wish the problem on anyone. Sexual preference says nothing about gender dysphoria or "gender identification". In case that is related, being a lesbian should not inform your daughter anything about being in the "wrong body" or having a different "gender identity" from biological sex. Unrelated. I hope your daughter is able to come to terms with her biological sex and seeks help from someone without a preconceived agenda. [Keith]

[@micromints1735]

Your child is an adult.

[@RetardationAwareness]

@@micromints1735 All ages are falling for this ridiculous ideology. I think most sane people would worry for their family members if they were making such a monumental mistake...

[@micromints1735]

@@RetardationAwareness cope

[@RetardationAwareness]

That doesn't even make sense. If you wouldn't be worried, you're a bad friend.

[@lacha608]

This is a point of confusion for me. I think there are probably some people who are biologically trans (brain development didn't match sex development) and others who "go trans" as a reaction to toxic gender roles, sexism, sexual trauma, etc., and it seems that there needs to be much more counseling and exploration to be sure of which is going on before someone goes and changes their.body, but I don't understand what the issue with social justice is. Don't all people of conscience want social justice?

[@lisamcdonald2877]

Some don't have much in the way of conscience, and some are far right programmed from Fox/media and hateful religions.

[@whispershuman5742]

You hit the nail on the head when you talk about becoming a woman. It's a VERY difficult and confusing process. Throw transgender into the mix and it's just harder.

[@censorshipbites7545]

*There are some questions that immediately spring to mind* 1) Where were Helena's parents/family during all this? 2) Given her preoccupation with life online, Helena clearly had trouble living in & interacting with the real world. Why did no one notice or intervene before she became so disconnected from reality?

[@UnsafeSpace]

Good questions. From what she said, when she sought help in person she got support and encouragement for transitioning. No authority in school or the mental health industry that I recall her mentioning attempted to work with her to figure out the problem, or slow the process. All the school and Medical people did was encourage it. |And when she began to question it, her therapist was opposed to de-transitioning, objected strongly. She seemed to indicate her parents were pushed aside. [Keith]

[@censorshipbites7545]

​@@UnsafeSpace Thank you for the courteous reply. Perhaps I'm simply too old to understand, but almost every 4th word out of Helena's mouth concerned Tumbler, posts, accounts, or something else Internet-related, so clearly she spent far too much time online/attached far too much importance to online goings on. Add to that the incredibly compressed timeline from diagnosis to therapy and then hormones. I wonder if Helena has or will bring suit against her therapist for either misdiagnosis (Helena's actual issue was an online predilection/tenuous hold on reality) or malpractice (being solely transition-affirming).

[@Baddadsings]

Gender dysphoria is literally the new anorexia... help these people don't push this into mainstream

[@roriemarie2968]

Wow I did not even hear that Carrie brought up cutting when I made my post..

[@melhawk1352]

Such an insightful interview. Thank you.

[@TagSpamCop]

22:00 The detrans subreddit is now closing in on 37,000 members (36.8k) as of this post, and as I look at it now, 155 people are online on it right this second.

[@ArtofRobinMitchell]

a very honest and intelligent conversation. bravo...

[@ArtofRobinMitchell]

Jesus comes this winter on a sabbath... Matthew 24:20"But pray ye that your flight be not in the WINTER, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation" This is the high watch season is Winter beginning Wednesday, December 21 2022 and ends Monday, Mar 20 2023 3 days after the vernal equinox sets the sabbath for the year. This years sabbath is Tuesday 6pm to Wednesday 6pm Jerusalem time... 3.5 days of darkness proceeds this event... Revelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them" the sun will go down at NOON... Amos 8:9“And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at NOON, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:” since Tuesday is the sabbath minus 3.5 days of darkness is Saturday at 3am PST (12noon Jerusalem time)... Dec 24th Saturday 3am 2022 is highwatch as is every saturday that follows.... Jesus resurrects his people/army after the second day but within the 3.5 day window Hosea 6:2“After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.” when the sun goes black at NOON on SATURDAY, to do list 1. half hour before sun goes down i turn on my olive oil and oil lamp (have oil for 3.5 days of darkness) Matthew 25:4 “But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.” Leviticus 24:2 “Command the children of Israel, that they bring unto thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamps to burn continually.” Exodus 10:23 “They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.” 2. RIP/TEAR/CUT your clothes off into 12 pieces Joshua 7:6 “And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the LORD until the eventide, he and the elders of Israel, and put dust upon their heads.” Genesis 37:34 “And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days.” 1 Kings 11:30 “And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:” 3. Shave your beard and head hair off and eye brows Jeremiah 48:37 “For every head shall be bald, and every beard clipped: upon all the hands shall be cuttings, and upon the loins sackcloth.” Leviticus 14:9 “But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.” 4. Cut your nails Deuteronomy 21:12 “Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;” 5. Wash your linen clothes and TAKE A BATH Genesis 35:2 “Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments:” Leviticus 14:9 “But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.” 6. Staff in hand Exodus 12:11 “And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.” Genesis 32:10 “I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which thou hast shewed unto thy servant; for with my staff I passed over this Jordan; and now I am become two bands.” 7. Cut/scratch/bloody up arms for 3.5 days Jeremiah 41:5 “That there came certain from Shechem, from Shiloh, and from Samaria, even fourscore men, having their beards shaven, and their clothes rent, and having cut themselves, with offerings and incense in their hand, to bring them to the house of the LORD.” Jeremiah 47:5 “Baldness is come upon Gaza; Ashkelon is cut off with the remnant of their valley: how long wilt thou cut thyself?” Jeremiah 48:37 “For every head shall be bald, and every beard clipped: upon all the hands shall be cuttings, and upon the loins sackcloth.” 8. Put on WHITE PURE LINEN GARMENTS: pants, top and veil/headcover (no shoes) Revelation 19:8 “And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.” Matt 22:1-14 Leviticus 16:4 Gen 37:34 & Exo 34:33-34 9. Lay down PROSTRATE(facedown flat on belly) with DIRT and ASHES on head on a bed on ASHES Jeremiah 6:26 “O daughter of my people, gird thee with sackcloth, and wallow thyself in ashes: make thee mourning, as for an only son, most bitter lamentation: for the spoiler shall suddenly come upon us.” Revelation 18:19 “And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.” 10. pray the lord's prayer, sing psalms and weeping in mourning for your sins for 3.5 days Revelation 8:4 “And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.” 11. NO FOOD OR WATER FOR 3.5 DAYS Jonah 3:7 “And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:” 12. NO SLEEP FOR 3.5 DAYS Mark 13:36 “Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.” 13. Have someting prepared for Jesus to eat when he shows up at your door... Stay indoors close your door and wait for a knock from Jesus on your door Revelation 3:20 “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”

[@eileenbowmaker6201]

That brain surgery I think would be compared to a lobotomy. I can hear it now. Also, if it happens that it has something to do with the brain, wouldn’t that filter down to appropriate levels of harmonies. So, if they feel like a man, maybe more female hormones would be helpful etc. The brain controls literally everything. I know this because I had no choice but to learn a lot about the brain when my husband had his stroke. My biggest concern is they are allowing young kids make these choices and there is no way a child or even a teenager can possibly understand the long term effects of transitioning. From what I’ve studied, it’s a lifetime of serious meds, lots of illness and hospitalizations, infections etc. It’s a form of dysphoria that really needs to be treated with counseling and proper medication for their true gender.

[@judeesee894]

Brilliant conversation ladies.💛

[@rustichillbilly1107]

The feelings that there is something wrong or you don't fit in, is typical in adolescence. The way they're trying to keyhole it is dangerous.

[@exdetransitioner]

Yeah but transgender feelings aren't typical. There is always several percent of population that will experience those.

[@humankirk9196]

Keri this is one of your best interviews, and I would welcome a longer discussion with Helena where she delves more into her thoughts about Wokeism. One thought I had, which I will bring up at the next live chat, is the view that women are more affected than men by trans issues. Perhaps true on the surface. But I would suggest that there is an intersection between Incels and Trans. They both arise in puberty, from social / sexual rejection, congregate in like-minded online communities which radicalizes them to the point of causing harm either to themselves or others. In other words, putting aside how Wokies have weaponized yet another issue, these are children that are suffering, that are alienated, and who need our help and guidance into adulthood.

[@Djhikes63]

Thank you both so much

[@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405]

Amazing honest discussion and interview. Thank you.

[@Tarmenell]

Great discusion and super interesting guest.

[@ooops8200]

You experienced it, didn’t like it, now you’re moving on. That’s what life is about, experiencing different things!

[@TagSpamCop]

So, girls who cut off their breasts, become infertile, have their voices change, experience vaginal atrophy, boys who cut off their testicles, become sterile.... they're just "experiencing different things!" huh? Yeah. This narrative you're pushing is obvious bullshit.

[@lisar.2549]

Wow! This is the biggest mind f&$k I’ve clicked on on YT!

[@jennyk50046]

This interview was very hard to watch for me. See my “grandson” is the about the same age as Helena. He came out as trans about the same age and started on Testosterone at the age of 17 and by 18, he had a double mastectomy. He had a totally hysterectomy last Christmas. He says he is happy. I just pray he doesn’t wake-up some day and realize what he has done to his self. This interview just made me cry. It hits home very close. His mother has stopped talking to me because she says that i am a white-supremacy and a hater. This is so hard to understand and hurts so bad because I love them so much.

[@UnsafeSpace]

Wow. Maybe he is really happy, but it is reasonable to be skeptical. Likely so many people are acting proud and encouraging for the transition, celebrating it, giving legitimacy to the decision. Making such decisions at 17 and 18 is foolish. Those who encourage the life altering physical changes I consider bad people. The mother apparently is foolish, and does not know what "white-supremacy" means or what hate is. I hope your grandchild is indeed happy and remains so, but again I am skeptical. Regrets after growing up a bit are common. [Keith]

[@jennyk50046]

@@RealKeriSmith - thanks Keri!

[@58Galtha]

So sad that this young woman was so deluded for so long. Thank God she found her sanity. The fact that mental health professionals are promoting this without question is CRIMINAL. 😟 How can we support this young woman and what she is trying to do?

[@notagain8661]

Talk about, so strong, so brave! 💪

[@lisaa6755]

very interesting convo. and refreshing. your both so smart and beautiful. helena, your light shines so bright on the other side of your experience.

[@stephanielewis1006]

Love the work you do, I'm worried for teenagers getting hormone blockers too young. They should be adults ❤❤❤

[@JulieneMilani]

Great interview.

[@KaitenKenbu]

Good podcast and cool guest.

[@mattball3118]

I don't identity as anything, I just am.

[@exdetransitioner]

A trans woman, that's it.

[@mattball3118]

@@exdetransitioner Not that, not anything.

[@exdetransitioner]

@@mattball3118 but you identify as Matt Ball - how ironic is of you!

[@mattball3118]

@@exdetransitioner No I don't

[@exdetransitioner]

@@mattball3118 Then why you aren't just an anonymous person?

[@meghangossett3091]

I'm so confused by the end 🤣

[@Emptynester]

Lovely wise guest!

[@Ferdinand314]

Keri, thank you for this important interview. The trans extremist movement is a dangerous as the CRT movement that tore apart the congenial knitting worldl

[@dannyhicking]

Such an interesting interview

[@Simpy553]

Im a trans gurl thats passable and im proud and i don't attack detransitioners coz they have the right to speak out and share their experience, i would love to hug a detransitioner and comfort them.

[@melphillips1608]

Simple. Just make it an option if you want a pill to get rid of dysphoria vs transition. That eliminates bias, and still makes it the person’s own autonomy. Bc yes, I’m sure they’re be people who would prefer that route for a myriad of reasons vs some ppl would still choose tnrasition route.

[@Featherfinder]

I am wondering to what extent sexual orientation influences people vis-a-vis the question of transitioning ? I’ve never heard anyone speak to this question. I’ve also been wondering if more and more young women are choosing to explore lesbianism as a reaction to many things, including the gross pornification of our culture, and if their lesbianism causes them to want to transition? (Yes, I believe some women choose to explore lesbianism because they are beyond disillusioned with men. Not always but sometimes.)

[@deadlikeme6132]

kind of a shallow point but she is beautiful

[@JAnotherday]

Everyone has their own transition story some do it but can't get through it some do it and do successfully if you don't do it successfully why go around telling or speaking to doctors about putting a thumb down on those that are transitioning and having a bad time about it and try to make it harder for others that want to transition. This is nothing new this has been going on for years and years and years. It's all part of learning the process of who you Are, and what you are. And there is nothing wrong with this.

[@cherylgreene6686]

That is one well spoken 22 year old. Wow

[@emmapeel8163]

men deciding what the very definition of female is (Miriam Webster) .. "Woman of the Year" given to males.

[@rahwatassaw5303]

Can anyone explain how the social justice movement is related to the trans movement? I’m confused by this claim.

[@L_Martin]

Put it this way - you will be excommunicated and thrown out of any social justice community if you don’t go along with gender identity theory. Gender identity theory, critical race theory, intersectional feminism, and “q weer theory” - all bundled together under postmodernism. Basically you must subscribe to all of these, you cannot pick & choose. If you reject any aspect of this, you are cast out of the social justice left - and actually The Left in general, in my experience, but the further left you go, the worse the rot.

[@pj3998]

She needed love and searched for it and others destroyed her. So sad.

[@okzoomer5728]

We'll keep hearing these stories as long as the woke internet continues to define transgender as a social construct. And that medical transitioning and hormones are fun toys don't present complications for a cisgender brain and nervous system, and the body in general. True gender dysphoria is a very rare neurologic condition with proposed genetic, endocrine, and brain structural/functional causes. Due to genetics or developmental hormonal factors, the brain and nervous system can be differentially wired to respond to specific sex hormone concentrations, as well as existing sex characteristics. Gender dysphoria is not caused by living in a society and being at odds with prescribed gender roles. That is called gender-nonconformity, which is a common facet of cisgender people and should never be treated with medical transitioning. Unfortunately, the level of idiocy and validation-craving running amok in woke medical professions and social media has conflated true dysphoria with trauma, internalized misogyny, gender nonconformity, social contagions, and other mental health conditions. I am so disappointed that we, as 21st century citizens in a first world country, have decided interpret transgender by only examining loose and poorly defined cultural and sociologic concepts, instead of turning to EMPIRICAL data as found in the neurosciences, and furthermore educating ourselves properly other psychiatric conditions that mimic dysphoria. We have got to do better, otherwise more people, especially young cisgender women, are going to continue hurting themselves like this.

[@Mr-Tibbster]

Whilst gender dysphoria is a real condition, simply put, a person who's brain is rejecting the realilty of their physical body (they either want to be the opposite sex, or are confused over which one they feel they should be causing a lot of mental grief), and such people deserve care and compassion. But this ‘non-dysphoric’ “gender spectrum” (ie; the teaching that “male and female” is a “social construct”, and that in fact that there are “hundreds of genders” to choose from) I argue is nothing but those with “certain gendered personality traits”, being used to create an entirely fabricated construct of “genders”, seperate from “sex” (when in realilty I argue they are one in same). For example, a man who is sexually straight, and is comfortable in his own body, but likes to wear dresses, or merely acts “effeminate” (or womanly), would be now classified as some sort of “third gender”, as opposed to being merely… an effeminate man. In essence, these “genders'' are “personality” types, or ''vibes”, which are categorised into a system, very much akin to many pseudo-scientific “personality tests” which are not founded upon any form of science, or genuine psychiatry, but are as based in reality as star signs. Constructs which take pieces of reality and puts them in an entirely new fictional framework of thought or perception. What is merely a persona, has become a pseudo-scientific identification ideology which states “feelings are genders”, when the true definition of gender, is from the biological root, merely, the body one is born with. There is nothing else, there can be no more than two genders to be (or “choose” in the case of the dysphoric). Through the abuse of semantics, the term “personality” has been replaced by the word “gender”, and then upon that platform, it is made to fit into the framework of “gender theory”. One could even regard such “gender-sciences” as offensive to those with genuine gender dysphoria, for it invalidates their experiences of seeking to become “another sex” (often via clothing changes and surgical transitioning) based upon their internal feelings, of which the modern “gender-science” ideology classifies as “gender and not sex” in their own terminologies. The very root of the idea of gender being seperate to sex originates from a recent attempt to rationalise gender dysphoria as “normalilty”, and that such an “internal gender spectrum” seperate from one’s sex applies to “everyone” (not just the dysphoric), but it ignores the vital detail that a dysphoric person is not happy with their PHYSICAL SEX, based upon their internal (“gendered”) thoughts and feelings. Thus I argue further validates my stand that gender and sex are (and should be) ONE. To seperate them only invalidates trans-people and their wants/needs to change their bodies to match their “inner genders”. The attempt at normalisation of both gender dysphoria and “non-binary” mentalities as merely “a part of normal human spectrum”, of course, comes from a good place in the heart, a place of compassion. An attempt to help people feel included in society, rather than “outcasts” or “freaks” (as they were once called, and were often subject to terrible abuse and bullying), and of course, this is noble. But a man is a man, a woman is a woman, purely based upon our physical construction, all other “genders” beyond the two sexes are figments of the imagination, fraught with contradictions and convolutions. I argue, these ideologies, though from a noble place in the heart, is in the long run a greater evil. For the results have caused “rapid onset gender dysphoria” in many children, of whome had no such issues in the first place, but have become dsyphoric merely due to being “educated” in this ideology, with it, rises in suicide rates and other mental diorders in association with.

[@scintilae670]

Teenage girl hysteria

[@rymkervic123456]

The amount of teenage girls wanting to transition is through the roof - which isn't that strange if schools are pushing it at primary level. Way more healthier is if the child just grows, and becomes whatever naturally - to put all this in their head at such a young age is sinister and selfish.

[@beardedlonewolf7695]

I would understand a man becoming a woman to have an easier life but the other way around is just weird to me.

[@marjoriemartinez9973]

Helena is So Beautiful and smart...

[@kristinfrostlazerbeams]

Actually stunning and brave since I know taking about your interests has put a target on your online presence. You became who you wanted to be despite the weird hatred. I have a theory that these therapists, doctors, group members, cult members, etc morph into anti love and acceptance. You had a place at their table and you know many things about the medical trans specialists and personal experiences you saw when you were happy in the community. They are terrified somebody who knows all the secrets that they don't want out there that they they try and make you hated before you can be logical about it in the enemy camp. Seriously, check out stories of protected malpractice by those who regret it.

[@michaelbutler2053]

She's an amazing person

[@noneofyourbussiness2788]

Thank you