How Gender Medicine Impacts Female Bodies, with Elaine Miller | Episode 175

Sasha & Stella welcome Elaine Miller, a physiotherapist specializing in pelvic health and award-winning comedian to join them for a riveting conversation unpacking the effects of testosterone on the female body, with particular attention to the pelvic area. This conversation uncovers shocking insights about incontinence and other physiological changes as the result of putting a female system on disproportionately high levels of testosterone. A must-watch for therapists, parents, individuals considering testosterone therapy, and healthcare professionals who want to understand the real, often overlooked, consequences of cross-sex hormones on female bodies.
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[@grace-xb8ve]

I had pelvic floor issues from the age of 13. The first time I brought it up to a gynaecologist, at the age of 19, she said that I must have been sexually abused as a child! I was definitely not, but that shook me up for weeks afterwards. Months later, I found an article about how many athletic teenage girls had severe pelvic floor problems just like mine. I was a cross country runner from 13-17. I went to see a pelvic floor therapist this past spring and almost completely resolved my issues in 8 weeks of treatment. My only regret is not going as a teenager. On my high school cross country team, we used to joke about how peeing yourself during a race was a sign you were working your hardest! No one ever talked to us about pelvic floor problems, despite all of us being inherently high risk, given our age and activity level. Please, if you are having these problems, go to pelvic floor therapy. It was very scary to begin but I saw results unlike anything I've ever seen from other medical treatment. It's like magic!

[@rebeccao8895]

Thank you for sharing this. I’m glad you’re doing better. 🌞

[@nikitaw1982]

Women footballers blood their ACL ligaments 9x the rate the men. Do they tell women? Nope they say ruin ur bodys at the beginning of your life so being pregnant and chasing after toddlers is the last thing u want to do. And it's the smartest most privileged girls they promote this too. Authority r Satanists.

[@fannyfroeschl]

so glad you found help, Grace

[@insidiousmischka]

Could you please describe the treatment a little?

[@MrsMacWifey]

Really interesting, thank you for sharing. I never knew this was a thing.

[@Rhirhi_b]

34:01 the follow up rates of gender clinics truly are abysmal. I’m a detransitioner from Australia, I desisted last year. Cancelled my last appointment with the gender clinic by replying “NO” to a text message and haven’t heard a single thing since

[@Rhirhi_b]

Continuing on this, the more I listen the more things make sense. I wasn’t told of many of these risks, and I wish I was. The most I was told was that I might not be able to have penetrative intercourse, I might not be able to have kids, and I might get liver cancer. A lot of the health issues that I am hearing being spoken about are making so much sense

[@meretriciousinsolent]

​@@Rhirhi_b They're such day to day quality of life issues too. I'm very sorry you weren't given the care you had a right to.

[@lizadeeza]

Truly remarkable that they aren't following up w/ detransitioners - because depending on the individual they may very well have caused lifelong challenges. But again, if someone has an issue with what their original clinic did to them most likely they will never want to get care from a group of doctors who are SO pro-transition but actually do not care or know about the long-term physical harm they are causing in many cases.

[@ankavoskuilen1725]

​@@lizadeezaIt makes sense that they don't want to follow up. They must know that everything they do is harmful to the body but as was said in the video: they don't do negativity. So if they don't ask questions they hope not to find out the negative results of their actions. It is denial.

[@j.j.l.]

Not surprised. Older detransitioner, here. They roll out the red carpet for you if you want to get on cross sex hormones, creating effects in your body it was never designed to withstand, but if you decide to desist, it’s, “let us know if you change your mind” (that’s what I was told). If they showed concern, it would go against the lies they propagate.

[@tabbies4ever]

This should be required viewing for females thinking of going down this path 💔

[@HebaruSan]

And for any thinking of going through menopause as well frankly

[@SajberVanderlast]

31:32 you don't listen.

[@tabbies4ever]

@@HebaruSanyou don’t get an option there!

[@Jenny-nz8fb]

Peeing your pants, vaginal prolapse and sexual dysfunction are not a good look at any age but perhaps are worse if you are 20 years old rather than 90!!

[@bunille]

@@tabbies4ever Well you do have an option of going through menopause in your 20s by choice

[@CMark50]

It is soooo ridiculous to me that adults can't figure out that we can NOT change sex. The warning should read - Damage your body at your own risk. - If you are lucky enough to have been born with a healthy body...don't muck it up. You WILL be sorry.

[@thiefofa1073]

Agreed. The technology and research is not ready yet (some say at least 20-30 years more). In the past the same thing was said for other operations that would be considered trivial today "What? You can't REPLACE your heart, try it at your own risk. You WILL be sorry". And sadly, similar to the steroids industry and baseball, these poor youngsters will be the guinea pigs that pave the way for more safer discoveries in the future.

[@CMark50]

@@thiefofa1073 Boy. I don't mean to sound harsh to your reply. However. Heart transplants, bypass surgery, cancer surgery....not in the same ballpark as mentally unwell people damaging their healthy body. NOT the same thing, at all. Different planet. People did NOT replace their heart because they did not like the one they had. You can NOT change your sex. No surgery will EVER change this. Technology will NEVER change this simple truth either.

[@freedomruss]

Exactly. The precautionary principle prevails.

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

@@CMark50 Fear mongering . We do not need to change dna . Lol

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

@@thiefofa1073 SRS for males is close to 70 years old since it was well developed, not experimental. There are many old transsexuals who have been on estradiol for 40-50 years. Now apply your fear mongering to all the medications women take. 🥱

[@evrebop]

I could cry I went through premature ovarian failure which left me with a testosterone dominance and I had severe severe severe symptoms. Incontinence, extreme gum disease, bacterial vaginosis, UTIs, rage, enormous libido, warped sense of confidence but it was negative, thrush, hair loss, bone loss, dry eyes, burning mouth, vertigo, deep depression, rage rage and rage. It has taken 2 years on HRT to start to feel ok but I’m still battling a lot of symptoms. If I actually PUT testosterone into my body AS WELL I think I would possibly have ended my life. I can’t emphasize how bad this has been. I cry with frustration at how people just dismiss hormones and what they do like they’re some sort of cosmetic. I have been obsessively studying and meeting with endocrinologists and menopause specialists to try learn everything I can so I can help others

[@cathwalsh9921]

That sounds awful! Virtual hug 🤗

[@DeniseMe64]

God bless you, hun. I had a prolapse surgery (I’m post menopausal) and it was horrendous! I’m still recovering from it 16 months later! Estrogen is SO important for female pelvic floor health! It has been a lifesaver for me. Nobody ever talked about this! Not my mother, grandmothers, aunts, sisters OR friends! Women’s health issues have been dismissed for SO long! Keep on speaking out hun 💗

[@evrebop]

@@DeniseMe64 thank you!!! You mind yourself too - at least we have the knowledge now 💕 x

[@SP-yq4xq]

You aren't alone. Sometime in my late 20s my moods went nuts. I blamed it on stress. One morning, age 32, woke up with a burning scalp, very oily, and the hair loss became more rapid, monthly cycle went nuts as well as flow, increase in facial hair. Dr blamed it all on perimenopause. Doctor after doctor and no answers or treatment that fixed any of it. Labs showed testosterone through the roof, way too high for a woman. Put on various BC pills to try to regulate, was put on Metformin in an attempt to lower testosterone and another drug I can't remember the name of that gave me horrible nerve pain. Nothing worked. One endo told me to lose weight and get some Rogaine in such a dismissive tone I didn't go to another doctor for years. Depression, anxiety, painful gritty dry eyes, vertigo, incontinence, high blood pressure, palpitations, rage and more rage, crippling anxiety. For a few years I had back-to-back hot flashes with no relief. Tried various OTC estrogen and progesterone creams with some success, but not complete relief. In my late 40s I had to brave going to a Dr again due to abdominal pain which led to imaging, that's when we found in addition to a bum ovary there is also an adrenal tumor. However, Dr won't operate to remove because it isn't big enough to be considered "active" even though I have all the symptoms of it being active and a 24 hr urine test was one point above "normal range" so obviously something is going on there. Other than that Drs still don't know what to do with me. Suffering continues. Now in my 50s I should be through menopause, but I'm not. Things have slowed down, but not stopped. Incontinence, hair loss, depression, anxiety, hopelessness, dry eyes, migraines, vertigo and more have gotten worse, but the rage has improved, hot flashes have ended, and the libido has pretty much disappeared other than a rare moment here and there that always takes me by surprise.

[@evrebop]

@@SP-yq4xq have you seen a menopause specialist? I recommend them - even for other things besides menopause. My menopause specialist discovered I also have lupus now - something my doctor just kept missing.

[@sallyhally87]

Man here. 10 years pelvic floor injury/dysfunction from age 24-34. If everyone really knew and understood the issues that can arise from this problem, the amount of people volunteering for it would drastically reduce. Unfortunately it seems like people have to experience it to really know. If anyone is reading this or watching the video and think it's no big deal, please think again. This is a very serious issue that needs to be taken way more seriously. Men and ladies out there; do whatever you can to avoid these issues. Find a doctor or therapist that will help you. Don't take no for an answer. Keep fighting. Edit: For the men. In my area, I had to seek out a therapist that was primarily focused and advertised for womens issues. It was rarer, but I wasn't the first to seek her help for male pelvic issues. Ask those people if they can help you too. Despite sex differences, a lot of the advice given to women can help you too.

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

@sallyhally87 I was really suprised when I saw stats on male incontinence and pelvic floor problems. We dont talk about it very much for girls and women, but even less so for boys and men. So, good for you speaking up and I've mentally pencilled it in to bring up to my sons to be aware of their pelvic floor health.

[@Asptuber]

Yessss. And pelvic floor health is _really_ important for older men. For some weird reason I had read about it when my dad needed surgery for prostate cancer some 20+ years ago. I was his medical support person, and while this was mentioned in passing in the preparations for the surgery it wasn't really IMO emphasised enough. I nagged him relentlessly about doing some simple exercises every day leading up to the prostatectomy. And take some credit for the fact that he was continent for about 5 years after surgery (then it started to fail, maybe the severe Parkinson, maybe just old age, who knows).

[@sandrarios2253]

Male like a biological male. XY chromosomes and the ability to produce a small gamete or male like trans ?

[@irradiated_woman8016]

To think people all over are being sold medically-induced disability by unscrupulous people... Every female who uses "T" long-term, as we heard in the pod. Add every male who has "the surgery" (any version of it)-they will have pelvic floor dysfunction as well. For many it's immediate, for others it will show up as they age. Incontinence is inevitable. Those who make it to old age will have a very difficult time... As will their caretakers. People who market this dare to speak of dignity and saving lives... harming a human being in this way is antithetical to the concept of dignity.

[@FirstLast-dl8rt]

Salleyhally = catfish

[@joannamcculloch8457]

I never cease to be amazed, shocked and disgusted by what I hear on this podcast. I cannot fathom why more of the medical community are not jumping up and down about this.

[@SajberVanderlast]

31:32 they are and this woman is a hack.

[@mattflynn9682]

How is this woman “a hack”?

[@SajberVanderlast]

@@mattflynn9682 31:32 listen.

[@dorasneddon774]

​@@SajberVanderlastand you are an allied health professional, specialised in pelvic health, observing the changes she is observing in a cohort of transitioners?!

[@SajberVanderlast]

@@dorasneddon774Learn to think and listen carefully.

[@berthavazquez4168]

As a retired middle school teacher, I listened to the second half of this episode with a tight chest and stomach ache. Everyone treating young people NEED to know this.

[@BloodSweatandFears]

The problem is most do know, they are not giving information on purpose.

[@duanewirth273]

I’m a man and I find this information invaluable. Thank you all. This and these discussions should be mandatory learning in middle school, high school and college.

[@MelissaKnoxwriter]

How I wish the American Academy of Pediatrics would take this cogent, brilliant conversation to heart! Thank you for this.

[@mkyriacopolous]

Lawsuits will be the only way to force them to act, sadly. I'll never trust them again.

[@BloodSweatandFears]

They only care about $

[@Tsiskoko]

I was trans identifying years ago and was started on testosterone. I stopped T for a few reasons. I found out about IM scarring (guaranteed 100% happens every time development of scar tissue in muscle from an injection). This wasn’t a side effect of the treatment that was explained to me from the outset. It came up by accident or I heard it somewhere and asked my nurse and she confirmed, with surprise as if it was an obvious fact. Well i am not a scientist or doctor so it wasn’t obvious. I thought about how this would be affecting me. T injections are big, and inject a lot of material, and are notoriously painful and difficult. How does that compare to something like a vaccine??? And the frequency for a vaccine is anywhere from 1x a year to once every 10 years to every couple years a few times then never again. T gets injected every week or two. I realized if I kept going with this I would be damaging myself over and over again for the rest of my life, and because the T would ruin my female gonads I would be stuck on it. This insidious scar tissue making thing. Then I developed a vasovagal reaction to the injections and just had to stop. On top of all those revelations and difficulties, I also had vivid and violent suicidal thoughts that began shortly after starting T and ended when I discontinued T. I’ve known people who stopped T due to hair loss. I lost some hair at first but it grew back in. One person I knew on social media discontinued their very popular instagram account after realizing they were balding. I guess that she stopped because she couldn’t handle the potential shame and lash back of discontinuing “HRT”.

[@MK-ih6wp]

These are important insights for people to hear. Thanks for sharing. I wish you all the best.

[@TattyKnots7816]

Thank you for sharing with us.

[@MixedTake]

What a lovely, warm, genuinely caring human being Elaine is.

[@InnaLamport]

As an MD I attended many lectures on transitions, some for curiosity , some mandatory. I heard only about positive effects. This is a revelation. Thank

[@llkoolbean4935]

As an MD shouldn't you have had doubts?

[@qldsafari]

And there in lies a large part of the problem, an MD who needs a podcast to question a ridiculous ideology, bloody hell 🤦‍♀️

[@bradboetig75]

Same here. I’m an MD. Those of us who went to med school twenty years ago never learned anything about this because it wasn’t a thing. Now all the “continuing medical education” on this topic is all sunshine and rainbows.

[@freedomruss]

Even the smartest most well trained people can still be taken by psychological operations. Doctors are especially vulnerable to being duped, then they dupe patients thinking they're helping. Brutal. Keep your head on a swivel and know that you're constantly being played.

[@magpiegirl3783]

Your comment is an indictment on medical training. How can a person medically trained not understand some of the consequences of the medical interventions. How can endocrinologists prescribe blockers and hormones without understanding the potential life-long disasters for people? I do not understand why medical people are not screaming out about gender “medicine”.

[@jmk576]

Thank you for being so open and honest. I sometimes feel alone in my disgust for what doctors are doing to young children, families and vulnerable people.

[@betsywilkerson]

Huge fan of Elaine and her efforts to share knowledge in this area. And she’s a fantastic comedian as well. Thanks for having her on, ladies. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@meretriciousinsolent]

Love that Sacha mentioned weight training. I was waffed away by a GP who said my pelvic tloor was fine when I had issues with leaking at one point while strength training. In the end my coach asked a good physio friend and he said that brace is extremely important - if you don't 'cap off' your brace at the bottom everything you're pushing with is just forced downward and puts too much pressure on your pelvic floor. I sorted my technique and the issue left me. I also brace differently when I sneeze now!! This was 9 yrs post c section, no previous issues with leaking. I felt like I was going mad!

[@meretriciousinsolent]

One rep max with deadlift (trap bar) was about 135kg I think. So I wasn't lifting small weights. It's possible to do successfully.

[@meretriciousinsolent]

Oh also, I am not yet peri meno. So there's that.

[@pamharrison8348]

Thanks.

[@Shininglight1234]

Thank you for sharing. I know I now need to see a physiotherapist. Excuse my ignorance but what does 'cap off' and 'brace' means. Will try and google it. I learned so much from Elaine's talk. Thank you.

[@lynnebarnes3840]

I was almost too scared to click on to this, but, we need to know the facts, no matter how gut wrenching.

[@sportysbusiness]

This was awesome, thank you ladies. I'm 55, postmenopausal and thankfully still have a strong pelvic floor and sex drive. One important point though, you didn't cover the importance of correct nutrition. Too many women eat a plant based diet, missing out on nutrients essential for brain and hormonal health. The science is clear, there are essential nutrients in meat you cannot get from plants, and all nutrients are more bioavailable from animal products than from plant products. Many mental health issues, including the rise in anxiety, are just nutrient deficiencies, there are some great studies being done on this at the moment but they're not talked about in the mainstream. Cholesterol is also essential yet has been incorrectly (deliberately?) villainised. Plant sterols block our production of cholesterol, which is essential for brain and hormone health. Worse, too many post menopausal women are on statins, artificially lowering their cholesterol and destroying their mental and physical health for no reason.

[@nannygirlkc]

This is so true! I'm 72 and I healed several issues by eliminating plants and carbohydrates from my diet over a year ago. My gotta-go problem disappeared and I easily quit a 3 pack a day smoking habit. Those were the main things I noticed right away.

[@MrsMacWifey]

YES. There's been a decades-long deception about this. I'm looking forward to the day when this is common knowledge.

[@tootstoyou1]

Thank you - thank you - THANK YOU for this comment, and the 2 replies. I’ve been watching this conversation (almost finished) with these 3 wonderful women BUT the whole time I was thinking about how a very low carb, or dare I say it, carnivore diet could help the people that they’re discussing. Their issues could possibly be resolved, or at least helped, by not eating any processed crap and getting plenty of animal protein. Nutrition is of the utmost importance! Btw. 72 yo f ex vegetarian and only 3 weeks ago jumped from low carb diet to carnivore and am feeling so great. I may not keep it up forever, but it’s definitely benefiting me in all kinds of ways. Bottom line. There’s no profit in a healthy population!

[@jasmineh8482]

Holistic nutritionist here and plant-based diets do provide all vitamins and minerals. Animals that are eaten by humans get the nutrients in their flesh from plants too. The body naturally produces cholesterol and plants do NOT block healthy cholesterol levels in those who eat a plant-based diet. Also, the quality of meat matters. Most people are eating factory farmed flesh filled with GMO crops, animal by-products (cannibalized flesh), antibiotics, and hormones. Definitely not healthy for anyone! Plants that are grown organically in healthy microbiome soils are also more nutrient dense than plants grown in dead soils. Please educate yourself on blue zones and cultures that live the longest with the least amount of health issues in senior years-- plants and algaes make up the majority of their diets.

[@sportysbusiness]

@@jasmineh8482 Vit A, B12, D3, K2 heme iron, carnatine, creatine, DHA, EPA, taurine... And if you actually researched the blue zones, they all eat meat. Look up Hong Kong to realise the blue zone story is BS.

[@Cynnas]

My neice (my marriaage) decided she was a boy at age 13 then as soon as she turned 18 her parents allowed, through their insurance, to cut her breasts off. It didn't go well and infection set in so now there are horrible scars. About two years later thanks to atrophy she had a hysterectomy. Now a few years later "he" is on antidepressants and going to therapy. I asked his mom if the therapy is addressing the whole trans process he went through, no it's just cognitive behavioral therapy. The whole thing has been so destructive to his life and the parents have been terrified to say anyting to question it.

[@KatMoore-ih6mw]

Heart breaking 😢😢😢 when will it stop for these poor girls

[@MelissaKnoxwriter]

Such a sad story--and too many like this--blackmailed parents, scared parents told the child will commit suicide if forbidden to transition.

[@earthwatchmoon8390]

And you are part of the problem, by referring to her as he and his.

[@krissyk9767]

It seems alot of young girls have mental health issues and believe that "becoming a boy" will magically resolve all their problems. As you say, your niece has had all these surgeries to feel more like a man, but they're still stuggling mentally. Drs need to start giving these young people proper mental health help instead of making them think they will feel better if they have these drastic surgeries.

[@KatMoore-ih6mw]

@earthwatchmoon8390 actually I think the other way is worse. You can't change your sex no matter how much external modifications you attempt, why did anyone ever believe otherwise?

[@Miss_Elaine_]

I'm post menopausal. There was a very strange time just after I went into menopause when I experienced very painful orgasms with the ongoing contraction pain that was described by Elaine. Thank God it resolved itself, because I would have had no idea who to see about it. I did start using bioidentical estrogen and the symptoms have never returned. I can't imagine doing anything that would intentionally cause something like that to happen. It is absolutely nothing like period pain. It's a bit like a knife being stuck into your pelvic bone. What is being described is a Frankenstein horror.

[@upnorth2421]

I've had hysterectomy at the age of 50. The way it changed my middle section was surprising to say the least. Back pains, deep scar tissue pains and a scar hernia to boot. Not to mention the need for estrogen replacement therapy. Why do this to young, healthy bodies?

[@onepartyroule]

I was watching a vlog by a trans woman recently, and they said something to suggest they believed their transition was completed, and I remember thinking, _but you're taking testosterone every week to coerce your body into behaving a bit like a male body. If you stop taking it your body will try and go back to it's natural processes, which are female._ There's no such thing as an "end" to the transition when your body isnt going to behave like it's the opposite sex without constant intervention. It's something you have to try and force into reality constantly, like a daily battle with your body.

[@TopHatNat]

As an older woman going through menopause, fluctuations in hormone levels is no joke. From hot and cold flashes, a weaker pelvic floor to my nails not really growing anymore, my hair falling out and sleep disturbances.

[@pintsizestories196]

After 10 years of testosterone (40-50 yrs old) the daughter of a friend needed bypass surgery. The doctor said it was the testosterone.

[@JessHarris-d8v]

I'm a detransitioned butch lesbian who used testosterone for 30 years. It was a major contribution to 5 cardiac events from the age of 57. My cardiologist told me testosterone kills men and was trying to do the same to me.

[@questioneverything1776]

It’s because of the lack of estrogen

[@kittendivine1]

Can you explain?

[@hellkat71]

​@@kittendivine1testosterone, especially if the dose isn't carefully controlled, can cause an increase in something called haematocrit, which essentially means your blood gets thicker. This increases the risk of clots that can then cause strokes and heart attacks.

[@YoungSantasGroupie]

Sasha and Stella, you are guiding lights in these dark times facing youth. I remember seeing Sasha’s first few interviews with Benjamin Boyce, great to see all that you’ve done and continue to do for kids and parents. I’ve been in the adolescent mental health field for over 20 years, currently at a kid’s hospital in Canada since 2018. The rise in mental health admissions and increase in acuity of these concerns has been harrowing. Barely any acknowledgement of these trends, especially in Canada. The failed pandemic policies re: kids that worsened the youth MH crisis, this gender ideology and the treatments/surgeries being pushed on youth, the victimhood identities being encouraged: it’s hard to believe how badly we are failing kids in the name of “compassion and DEI”. Increasingly, it feels like parents and adults who work with kids are primarily concerned with being a friend and peer to the kids. So many so-called “adults” who are afraid to ever impose authority/boundaries/structure/discipline. I think many of us in this field can see how lost the youth feel when there are no authorities in their lives. It’s hard for kids to articulate this issue but some of the older kids I work with remark on how “it feels like there aren’t any adults around”. It makes me all the more thrilled to see folks like you both who are standing up against the ideologues who have been bullying and causing harm with little push back. And I hope more adults will follow the example that you ladies set with these videos. Many thanks 🙏🏼 😊

[@mummablue3107]

Another excellent guest. Elaine has been shouting about this for so long and it was thanks to her that I was able to broach some of these topics with my daughter. She still proceeded....because trans....but it planted a seed and I it will help her come back around when she's ready and I'll be better prepared to be able to help her too. Thanks Stella & Sasha x

[@maryannblair9784]

One of the best videos I’ve listened to this year. Your guest was truly knowledgeable and so articulate. This is the best one I’ve ever heard on the physical risks transgender women to men are taking. So not worth whatever they think they will gain. Very sad our young generations deal with this confusion. A great thing intelligent woman are studying the facts and sharing the truth. Thank you for this excellent program. I’m subscribing.

[@avi8terrfwg317]

They don't follow-up because they don't want to know.

[@freedomruss]

How the heck did we get to a place where genital mutilation is an acceptable and even recommended practice? Seems completely insane to me.

[@karenkennedy6331]

I can’t think of anything that is so unnatural, harmful, goes against human divine nature, giving the opposite hormone, it’s cruel, and the harm is done on so many levels, physical, emotional, spiritual mental health.

[@VerniasAugoeides]

Would you argue with every happy trans person who doesn't regret getting on hormones that they must stop even if they don't want to. Should every MtF and FtM be re masculinized and re feminized respectively, even forcibily?

[@pamharrison8348]

​@@VerniasAugoeideswhere are such people?

[@VerniasAugoeides]

@@pamharrison8348 Most trans people on hormones don't regret being on them. Are you going to try to say that literally every single trans person actually regrets being on hormones, or some similar and obviously wrong sentiment?

[@nancyrobertson8661]

@@VerniasAugoeides "Transgender medicine" should be outlawed for children and also for adults.

[@pamharrison8348]

@VerniasAugoeides l look to the medical facts. You keep talking in absolutes. The trans "movement" cannot stand any alternative information and do not address it. Just arguing is pointless.

[@nicolarenshaw6460]

Such a kind, caring discussion about very important but little known truths which anyone thinking about taking cross sex hormones needs to fully comprehend. Hormones effect every single aspect of our bodies and minds and need to be treated as serious. I sincerely hope this helps those who need to be fully aware of the consequences of taking cross sex hormones.

[@Ed-lian]

I am a transgender person myself. By the meaning: "Transgenderism: A person who has significant difficulty to adapt to the role expected by biological sex. Because - Because the person feels that he or she belongs entirely or partially to the opposite gender." That feeling inside that one has affiliation to the opposite sex. I was referred to a gender specialist. I wanted to discuss how difficult this is in everyday social life in relation to other people. The specialized therapist offered me as much testosterone and surgery as I wanted. Everything was paid for by the health insurance company. Phallo plastic and everything. I was offered this in the first hour - without me asking about testosterone. That is what's happening... When I refused to take testosteron I was kicked out of therapy and called transphobic

[@Carole-zz6jm]

I'm so sorry this happened to you. That specialist is best avoided. I hope you find the right person to advise you.

[@Ed-lian]

@Carole-zz6jm The specialists following the guideline treatment, which are written in a DSM-5 or ICD-11. They are transitioning people. That's all that they do. If you do not transition, they have no other idea what to say or do. Therapist are only there to write the letter for permission to use hormones.

[@drrocktopus5137]

What year did this happen? I'm curious if it was recent or just after the insurance mandates 10yrs ago.

[@Ed-lian]

@drrocktopus5137 It was the first time in 2012. It took me years to get over this invalidation. Then, I let myself be persuaded to seek help again. Another therapist would understand that not all trans people are the same and that there is a spectrum. I thought that could be true. But the next therapist was even worse. I went to the second therapist, in 2022. As soon as I came in, I was greeted by Mr. (name). again I was immediately offered hormones and surgery. When I didn't accept that, she said that trans people want hormones and surgery and if I don't want that, then I'm not trans. She doesn't know what other mental disorder I have. However, she only accepts people who are transitioning. Because she is specialized in that.

[@drrocktopus5137]

​ @Janis_Even That was right after the insurance mandates then, practically an excuse to print money. That is a vile response in both cases and is a decent case that what we are told these things are for is a ruse.

[@lilja4ever261]

This woman is a treasure! I love the way she combines expertise with empathy an humor.

[@somerandomhomeboy]

Compromise your physical and mental health, shrink your dating pool, court the wrath of an increasingly unsympathetic public and live with the consequences for 50-70 years just to "pass"? The juice is not worth the squeeze!

[@keeska12121]

Well said.

[@coffehbear3359]

Are you trans? or just smug and judgey bc you are never going to experience the agony first hand. like a bunch of church ladies in here.

[@tracywhite20]

This is such an important episode. I've leant a lot for myself. I cannot imagine how these young people are going to manage. Keep up the good work!

[@AudreyinMissouri]

I feel like I’m going to watch this again and take notes. Wow, so much to take in. Thanks.

[@sh8nn0n92]

Anyone else do a kegel every time see Elaine?🤣🤗❤️❤️

[@A-Fc4rl496]

Every time I hear "pelvic floor"

[@fokkerfilms560]

Yes! 😂

[@sh8nn0n92]

@@fokkerfilms560 🤣🤣💪💪🏋️❤️❤️

[@karenavey2183]

A TIM reacted with explosive rage when I alluded to his ‘female troubles’ not being natural.

[@biancawilloughby9980]

I won't explode with rage but I can inform you I did get referred to a female pelvic clinic for exercises by my GP. I had to check first that they were trans friendly. I'm terrified of gender critical people so I tend to avoid women's spaces. Trans women have different bodies than men due to anatomical changes from oestrogen.

[@meretriciousinsolent]

​@@biancawilloughby9980 I'm sorry if this sounds accusatory in any way, but what does trans friendly mean? I've had a wide variety of experiences with healthcare practitioners so I don't doubt there are good and bad ones. I do believe that health care providers need to be able to talk about female bodies and have knowledge of the effects of cross sex hormones so they can provide accurate and informed healthcare. Because we are where we are, we need to respond to the situation as it is, not how we think it *should* be. There are definitely some professionals who haven't exercised a duty of care in informing people who choose this path of all the issues that can occur. The problem is, cognitive dissonance between that reality and what is wished for are never going to be compatible. How do we address this while providing a high standard of care for the bodies of trans identifying people?

[@meretriciousinsolent]

I should probably also note the fact that the problems your body is facing aren't the same as the ones a trans identifying female bodied person would have. (I had to check by rereading your post whether you were that and now realise you aren't.) I'm also curious about the impact of oestrogen on the male body pelvic floor, I hope there's similar research being done on that. As I understand it testosterone is a much stronger hormone in terms of its permanent effects than oestrogen but I'm happy to be corrected with some good evidence.

[@alba7251]

​@@biancawilloughby9980 Which proves the point.

[@chrisbfreelance]

@biancawilloughby9980 Please detail these anatomical changes.

[@PlaceboDomingo]

Thank you so much for this fascinating, sad, shocking, and profoundly necessary conversation. I have a young adult relative going through transition, and I’m extremely worried for them, but I’d rather have the information than not. Thank you all, for all that you do.

[@hewbert77au]

Stella and Sacha I think you both do amazing work. My young adult son has been transitioning and I believe is taking hormones. We have almost become estranged, I don’t know what to do. I’m in Australia and could use any links to supports or advice you might suggest. I’m agnostic but you’re definitely doing gods work ❤

[@sunnysidey]

@hewbert77au I’m sorry to hear this. There is an excellent Australian podcast series called Desexing Society that you could listen to which might provide some further information and resources. I hope it helps ❤️

[@jessjens6563]

I am sorry to hear that you're going through this. My heart goes out to you. The LGB Alliance has some resources.

[@MJ-bn9hz]

I am extremely sorry for what you are going through. Gender ideology appears to be causing a large number of gender confused children to become alienated from their parent/s. Like “Parental Alienation” (generally when a parent or other person influences a child to reject a previously loved and healthy parent), the ideology of gender, influence of peers and community and broader cultural issues in western societies (including Australia) is causing catastrophic consequences to families and especially children. I would focus on building a really strong attachment with your child and try to put off any irreversible decisions until as late as possible.

[@hewbert77au]

@@sunnysidey thanks I’ll check it out for sure 🙏🏽

[@hewbert77au]

@@jessjens6563 thanks 🙏🏽 I will research their stuff

[@jeanettehuggins4964]

I am warching from Australia...l am 70 yr old women. Have used naturial hormone tablets (Remifemin) and used Vag. Hormone cream ( Estriol) since menopause symptoms at 51yrs. I feel great. I found this podcast Extremely Informative...Thank you. And yes l'm doing my Pelvic Floor Exercises right now.

[@magpiegirl3783]

Great conversation which should be mandatory viewing for people considering gender interventions. The guest speaker was amazing. And these 3 women genuinely care about the situation gender confused people are in. They are aware of the negatives consequences to transition physically that the medical world are glossing over. What is wrong with the medical community that this is not being challenged?

[@aldrob108]

The first time I heard about women taking testosterone I instinctively knew that it wouldn’t work. It seemed obvious and common sense. Ideology appears to have blocked common sense.

[@synthia2625]

That's way too oversimplified. There is more to this that most discourse NEVER mention, and I am very disappointed in all "sides" on KZbin. I've spent a lot of time on detransition forums, trying to figure things out and see others' experiences, and it is very obvious (also based on research that has nothing to do with transgender people) that most people's brains are biologically wired to function only with the sex hormone levels of one biological sex. Typically, biological females have all their mental and emotional faculties decline drastically when their hormone levels are altered to male levels, and biological males experience significant cognitive and emotional decline when their testosterone levels are not up to normal male ranges. A good number of detransitioners talk about how their brain just stopped working no matter what they did, after going on cross-sex hormones, even though they firmly believed they were doing the right thing. Then, when they reverted back to their biological hormonal profile, all the brain fog, mental, and emotional erosion suddenly cleared away and their qualities of life drastically improve. They are able to think clearly again. The world is vivid and real again. They are able to connect with themselves and others again. There's finally depth, and soul, to everything. However, a very significant number of people experience the exact opposite, and I don't believe it's based on how you psychologically perceive your gender or think your body should be at all. They undergo significant, pervasive cognitive decline since the start of puberty, have persistent brain fog and abnormally low processing speed, and are unable to think fast or deep, perceive anything remotely vividly, or empathize with people like they used to, no matter how hard they try to fake it. And it only gets worse, you start struggling to learn things you know you would've found easy. These may be symptoms of mental health issues, but for some it is clearly not, and their mental state and feeling of wellbeing is already much less bad than before at this stage. With a brain like this, you feel like you're unable to perceive, process, or experience anything properly anymore, and you can't live anything remotely close to what you could call a "life". For these people, psych meds hardly help, having a positive emotional state doesn't change it, and their hormonal levels are all normal and healthy for their biological sex. But they experience the opposite, and only going on cross-sex hormones fixes it... completely, from the time the first dose changes the levels in your blood, it's as if all those years of mental decline reversed. Some of these people don't psychologically identify with the opposite birth sex at all, or want to differentiate themselves from their birth sex. A small minority even hate and feel disgusted at the physical changes of the hormones. And they try to stop cross-sex hormones safely and detransition, but as soon as their levels get out of the range for the opposite sex, all their cognitive dysfunction return, and it's a state few people would be willing to spend the rest of their lives in. I personally know quite a few people who have had to put up with taking cross-sex hormones indefinitely, when they don't feel inclined to identify or live or dress as another gender. Myself somewhat included, after a lot of struggle. Personally, I can't really identify as trans, and I disagree with offering gender dysphoria as a first-line or even second-line explanation for psychological struggles, especially for children and teens. A lot of it is more likely than not trauma-related, although this does not prove that one would not need cross-sex hormones for proper mental function. Personally, my identity has been extremely fucked up by early childhood trauma. I feel more like my birth sex and never wanted the physical changes of transition a good minority of the time, a good minority of the time I don't think about anything to do with gender or my body at all, and another good minority of the time, I can't put up with being my birth sex in any way. But none of these more than daily drastic changes in self-perception and narrative have affected my mental functioning on vs off cross-sex hormones. My processing speed literally dropped 10 percentile relative to people my age after puberty, when I took the same professional cognitive assessment and scored around the same on other aspects. The difference is extremely drastic. I really, really think a lot more needs to be done to understand and provide medical options for this phenomenon, which isn't rare, and cannot be determined based on whether one meets the current definitions of "gender dysphoria" or being transgender. This has nothing to do with whether one is masculine or feminine, how one likes to dress, or supporting the notion of a "true self" regarding gender. But it seriously affects the quality of life of many people who seem to be biologically unfortunate, such as myself. We cannot deny people access to cross-sex hormones based on the argument that they don't actually fit the definition of gender dysphoria, or that the entire basis of "gender ideology" is false and no one needs these interventions. I think it's time to stop solely looking through, or against, mainstream narratives surrounding "gender identity" when thinking about cross-sex hormones. Some people do need them, and it would be much better if they could have them at a younger age and not waste years of teenagehood and youth being mentally lobotomized, but not for the reasons any mainstream opinions are trying to sell. But it is also no more, and no less, than any other long-term medication that some people need to achieve normal biological functioning, which could be life-changing, while others would lose proper functioning if they took it. People should see it for what it is and consider the benefits and harms of everything it entails if they want to consider the option. I just want to bring more critically lacking nuance because I have seen and experienced how much more it entails than people talked about.

[@aldrob108]

@@synthia2625 Microbiologist have stated many times it is impossible for man to change to a woman or a woman to change to a man. It really is that simple.

[@tootle_soup]

Without watching any of this I know some experience; one of my best friends is “transitioning “ but a few years ago her doctor took her off testosterone because her red blood cell count was stroke level. She was on T off and on for 5 or so years. She is now a “trans man” that still has her period but is a man. And binds her breasts. This is insanity.

[@bootgrease]

@@tootle_soup wow, sounds like they really need counseling support. I also see people going on hormones without proper counseling and follow up. There are probably alot of people using the wrong amounts, which can cause blood clots, strokes, etc…

[@dorothypierre754]

Doesn't really sound like one of your best friends if you keep misgendering him and dismissing something that is clearly important to him.

[@freedomruss]

Men can not have periods bruh.

[@freedomruss]

​@@dorothypierre754her

[@dorothypierre754]

@@freedomruss Biological sex (male/female/intersex) is distinct from gender as a social category and social identity (man/woman/nonbinary) Males can't get periods. Trans men are born female, identity as men, and navigate daily life in society as men. They may have biology in common with cis women (born female and identify as women) - but their daily lives are different.

[@neepers22]

I love Elaine, and glad that she gave a shout out to all the SEEN networks doing great work out there.

[@ceeceebeebee889]

"some benefit from transition" is so subjective.

[@j.j.l.]

Yes. That is all it is.

[@VerniasAugoeides]

Better than saying no one benefits from it

[@tonyhoffman3309]

The longest term evidencell does not support it benefitting people longterm.

[@VerniasAugoeides]

@@tonyhoffman3309 there is plenty of evidence suggesting it benefits people outcomes wise, while many studies do mention side effects and complications. the science doesn't say that it doesn't benefit people at all

[@joannejohnson85]

Such an important conversation. ALL young women need to hear this. They hve no clue about the damage they are doing to themselves.

[@deuphoria2587]

YOU SHOULD INTERVIEW A transman, Scott Nugent who was interviewed in the film "What Is A Woman" talked about her failing health due to testostrone. She transitioned after she had her kids. She said taking testotrone cause 'fur' or a thick coating of hair lining her urethra. Years of bladder infections and overuse of antibiotics to treat her have failed. In fact her Dr. said she will die soon because her body has resistance to all antibiotics. Heartbreaking to imagine fur in your urethra. These tragedies will never be told to the next woman in line for this crime against humanity. 😢

[@janebennetto5655]

Fantastic episode. I have sent it round via WhatsApp to my female relatives and friends. Thank you all so much. 🇬🇧❤

[@sonjabarnard2102]

This was a brilliant and thought provoking conversation. I will gladly listen to Elaine Miller anytime.

[@nyladubois]

My youngest is 9 now. Oldest 21. I had long forgotten about those pelvic floor exercises, but man did those kick in automatically during this eposide 😂 ...texted my bestie (avid listener as well) and she was like yup! Me too! Great PSA

[@ankavoskuilen1725]

Here another one! 😂

[@shannonsayshi]

​@@ankavoskuilen1725me too 😅

[@vields2352]

Doing them now😂

[@reginaheitmueller1546]

6:00

[@theunknownatheist3815]

As an actual bio male who has taken testosterone injections, I can report that we do NOT get the same effect taking it that females taking it do. It made me feel “better”, but because it corrected something wrong- there was ZERO “euphoria” from it.

[@lloyannehurd]

Good information to know!!

[@heyheyhey0220]

“Euphoria” literally means “feel better”. There’s literally no difference in meaning.

[@heyheyhey0220]

@@lloyannehurdlol

[@lloyannehurd]

@@heyheyhey0220 I think if I reported euphoria it would be much different than just feeling better.

[@dorothypierre754]

​@@lloyannehurdit's euphoric because they are reaching an important milestone for themselves. That's a good feeling.

[@kimwiser445]

You used to have to go through therapy for a while, I think a year, before you could have surgery. The idea that you can start these hormones after one visit is cruel and inhuman.

[@colettelongo2080]

Therapy first. Why is this such a novel concept. My autistic, 37 yo kid is 100% emotionally disabled and medically transitioning while refusing any and all therapy. As parents, there is nothing we can do.

[@Ed-lian]

This is one of the best conversations of this topic I have heard. It shows the situation soberly. And that there is no knowledge behind it.

[@weouryourthem]

As someone who's been in menopause for 6 years, for me just having my estrogen gone from menopause has made me almost incontinent I have to be within 5 seconds of the bathroom... I did get on estrogen and it's getting better I feel so sorry for these young girls being convinced to change their gender 😔 as I'm going through menopause with the hot flashes and everything what a horrible thing to do to a young girl 😔 I'm guessing after they get on testosterone enough the menopausal symptoms go away for them ? Looking forward to the show 👍😊 4:21 4:21 4:21

[@theodorearaujo971]

Don't forget the much higher incidence of liver cancer for females who take testosterone.

[@johngablesmith4671]

What an awesome guest. Really brought up a number of issues that are not being widely discussed.

[@saintwatson1]

What you are saying about emotional immaturity of quite a few in trans community - I assumed that a lot of the problem stems from high autism rates and also lack of confidence in themselves. But for young transitioners, you are right, it could be brain development problems too.

[@Engrave.Danger]

A lot of kids are being taught to identify and recognize signs of gender non-conformity as being signs of trans. They're not just self diagnosing but also diagnosing each other and the next thing they know, they're in an after school LGBTQ support group and they're solidifying their new identity before a parent or doctor has even heard about it. Once they've had it reinforced by their new "friends/community" it can be hard to go back, particularly when they've often been trained to defend their position by other kids. It's one of the consequences of introducing gender ideology in schools.

[@andreavp463]

Here in Canada it's a huge problem. One of my clients ( I'm a tattoo artist) identifies as male, she is autistic, had severe development issues as a child ( I know because I know her mom) and at 18 she found out on internet that her feeling of emptiness could be because she's in the wrong body. She met a therapist once and was given hormones right then, and 6 months later had her breasts amputated and nipples modified. She is having a hysterectomy soon and wants to pursue the rest of the gruesome surgeries of " reassignment". One thing I learned recently and totally blew my mind is that she is legally not considered cognitively able to manage her own money, so she has a legal financial guardian, as an adult, who manages her money and she needs to ask permission to that person for everything, but at the same time she was hired as a.. YOUTH THERAPIST at a community center that's publicly financed 😨🤯 She is advising minors about life and mental& emotional health "professionally" The future of our western woke countries is grim if we don't turn things around fast

[@kimwiser445]

In the US there is a powerful family that donates money to the militant trans groups while making money off of the medical procedures and drugs.

[@fruitfulvine222]

The Pritzkers of Chicago politics!

[@kimwiser445]

@@fruitfulvine222 Yep!!

[@joge2468]

This is silly. People are on the gender ideology bandwagon because they believe they are being compassionate and doing the right thing. They are wrong, but the motivator is not money. If you wanted to make a lot of money, you would invest in research for curing baldness.

[@theodorearaujo971]

Sex is binary. Judith Butler is a philosopher, not a scientist, and her views on sex are wrong. No one gets to choose their own pronouns, and certainly no one gets to use government to compel others to use their language of choice. Gender roles and the divide between masculine and feminine are indeed, in part, socially constructed, but this is a minor insight that should not be expanded beyond it's very limited insight.

[@Consequence]

36:00 oh goodness, thank you sasha. Self report is the weakest indicator of outcomes, especially in a community which shames and blames those who question the ideology.

[@MJT_69]

Fascinating and concerning. I hope that people who need help find these conversations. I worry that you are ignored, hated, and seen as the 'enemy' rather than a useful resource of information being curated by knowledgeable and caring people.

[@jjayneartworkx]

Very few folks know about Tavistock ❤thank you for mentioning it...the insanity has been maddening so I'm trying to learn more about things...😊

[@laurelvanwilligen9787]

Read Faust's Gold by Steven Ungerleider for how it damaged East German athletes.

[@sandracarter7231]

I developed adenomyosis intrauterine. I had been on testosterone about 6 years at that point. I needed a total hysterectomy. I started having severe pelvic cramping and stopped having sex. I have been diagnosed with Lichen Sclerosis now. I went off testosterone in 2012 and detransitioned. I feel like damaged goods now. I regret my testosterone use a lot.

[@MK-ih6wp]

My friend was diagnosed with Lichen Sclerosis after COVID vaccine, although there is no way to know if the two are related. But it’s a very severe case & doctors are baffled trying to treat it. Wishing you all the best.

[@humorherald]

I do hope things get better for you. Wishing you better health. Hang in there!

[@megankwisdom]

I've never clicked play so fast! Love Elaine, she's hilarious 💜

[@julietardos5044]

For anyone seeking more information about pelvic floor health, look up Leslie Howard. She is a yoga instructor and expert in the pelvic floor. She teaches classes, has videos, wrote a book.

[@delphoeneevenhuis5199]

I cycled short acting T for body-building & ended up with stress incontinence. I teach pelvic floor exercises myself, so within a few months, I was able to reverse it. I was gaslit by an endocrinologist, who insisted it wasn't related, even when I referred her to testimonies from trans identified women with the same issue!

[@alenavanderbanck3334]

So much knowledge, so much good information and at the same time so much respect and compassion. Very well done….this is the way to approach the other side…..

[@bodyassetmovementevolution9596]

May I deviate a little from the main topic here? I am a specialist on Pelvic Floor as well and I find that most women DONT EVEN KNOW what it is, how to care for it and how to prevent age/pregnancy/illness related issues! I wish doctors would help more in sharing the idea of PREVENTION through KNOWLEDGE and SELFCARE. Instead of just letting things happen and then prescribe the whatever. Thanks for this enlightening specific-related discussion. You are all very honest and dedicated professionals 🙏

[@MsSilver41]

This is a terribly sad way to reduce the population and create massive health and mental issues

[@rettahbful]

Parents need to know this.

[@Pammellam]

I wish you would add chapter headings or topic/questions headings marked with the starting minutes listed so we can listen and re-listen to what we want.

[@desireelo]

When i for the second time got implanon (at34) I went into menopause. Rage, superdry vagina almost shriveling up, hotflashes, depression. When i first went to the doctor for pain when having intercourse with my husband my doctor looked at it and just said that I should just use lubrication. Second time I went in for the hot flashes and depression and rage, she said that it sounded like going into menopause. I asked whether it could be from the implanon, she said no, I asked her to still remove it... 2 months later all my symptoms were gone... my birthcontrol put me in menopause! Going off of it saved me. Im now 41 and am noticing I sometimes have hot flashes again, so apparantly it did do some more damage for me. I wish doctors would be more honest about hormonal birthcontrol and the effects it can have. To see young people being lied to that these operations and hormones have no ill effect on their body😢

[@gingerdeladis31]

The whole thing of women taking synthetic Testosterone is absolutely terrifying and a terrible disaster. But one can't say that without being called "transphobic" and "a bigot". The whole thing is madness, so horrible and a tragedy. Thank you ladies for drawing attention to it 👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏.

[@dionnelamoreaux8443]

This is the equivalent of genital mutilation. That was banned as an unethical form of abuse for very real reasons. It should be illegal to not address these issues. I remember when I was younger that a dr prescribed a depo shot for me. I gained so much weight and became effectively bipolar due to the mood swings. I am so grateful all I had to do to fix it is stop taking the shot. The Dr said they don't generally talk about these things bc it was such an effective form of birth control. It made me so mad. If I knew about the side effects beforehand, I would have made a different decision. These kids are being abused and treated like lab rats. We should, as a community, be more angry about this and do something about it instead of applauding them for their courage and pushing them into it.

[@MariaWitlof]

I needed this video! Thank you!

[@alison8817]

Saying transition benefits some people is misleading. Benefits them compared to what other possible outcome? When someone who is either distressed at their healthy, natural state or has taken a sexual obsession too far is encouraged to go along with a fantasy they have created around themselves and professionals deliberately instigate iatrogenic harm then it cannot be claimed to be any kind of treatment or satisfactory outcome of intervention. No intervention at all would surely be equivalent or a better outcome. This model of care has not been compared to anything else. The push to outlaw 'conversion therapy' is just about making sure we can't explore other options and potential outcomes. Fetishists want to normalise fetish and are happy to use vulnerable people to do so and the medical professionals just go along with it. We need to de-medicalise this issue. It's a social issue, it's a technology issue (disassociated & porn addled), it's a behavioural issue, it is not a medical issue at all and a satisfactory 'treatment' would surely be focused on an outcome that means someone does not deliberately engage in harmful behaviour & remains healthy. Creating unhealthy bodies to match unhealthy minds..........

[@commonsense6967]

When what needs healing is the mind, not the body.

[@kbeebuzzy]

Brilliant comment. Wish it would fit on a tee shirt.

[@sourorangepie]

Here's the t-shirt slogan: Trans Ideology IS CONVERSION THERAPY on gay and gender-non-conforming kids

[@josephsdimension]

Harry Benjamin who studied early transsexuals in the 1960s (before social media, TikTok, technology, covid, social contagions etc) wrote in his book The Transsexual Phenomenon in 1966: “Psychotherapy with the aim of curing transsexualism, so that the patient will accept himself as a man, it must be repeated here, is a useless undertaking with present available methods. The mind of the transsexual cannot be changed in its false gender orientation. All attempts to this effect have failed. Dr. Robert Laidlaw, chief psychiatrist at Roosevelt Hospital, New York, has studied a number of transsexuals and has come to the conclusion that "psychotherapy has nothing to offer to them," as far as any cure is concerned. In numerous conversations and in psychiatric reports, Dr. Laidlaw considered the transsexual's state "inaccessible to psychotherapy." Dr. John Alden, a prominent psychiatrist in San Francisco, fully concurs with this opinion and has repeatedly stated so. Numerous other psychiatrists agree, to my own personal knowledge.”

[@faithf5846]

I’m sad for the female athlete’s that lose competition’s to males or transitioned males to females .I have no idea why is this not talked about especially by the feminist ? It’s celebrated on the mainstream news. Mind Boggling….maybe if a feminist had a daughter in a competition who lost to a male opponent that transition maybe that would be a wake up call not sure???

[@widerlenspod]

Please check out our episode with Coach Linda Blade, from last season. Also, be on the lookout in a couple of months for an episode with April Hutchinson where we will explore these issues more.

[@clivelewis8075]

Chanced upon this, and took a look as my wife's step-granddaughter (who I reckon has some mental-health issues) has decided she's a boy. What's revealed here is truly shocking - but presented in an engaging manner (if a bit ghoulishly fascinating). It is also a source of wonder how what is perfectly natural and balanced in a male body is so deleterious in a female (and presumably vice versa). It was also fascinating to me as a man to hear what the initial impact of testosterone on a woman is, with the sort of heady euphoria - I'd never have thought of this. Understanding hormones better should help ease the puzzlement that men and women sometimes feel at each other.

[@Ed-lian]

"A woman health issue that we are just ignoring " Yes I can agree on this. I found out why this is happening so commonly. We have lived in a social organization of patriarchy for centuries. I experienced a cultural impact that was matriarchal. At ceremonies of native Americans, intertribal gatherings. They discussed on a daily basis women's issues like Menstruation cramps and what helps. (Hot steam - for example) It was openly talked that women go through difficult life situations. Things were addressed that are never talked in patricrchal social structures... As well the women spend some time only among themselves. To speak also more intimate affairs who one of the women might have. To support each other. Also, to share female perspectives. No men are allowed when women spend time together. It is not that long. It is in the morning when the women prepare the food together, about 1 hour. Women have a completely different status in communities that are matriarchally inspired. In patriarchy, I often hear from women - I have to be a man to keep up in the job market. As I said in this other environment, many women's health issues were discussed openly. Or other more intimate ones among the women.

[@karenavey2183]

I hadn’t considered the similarities between so-called FGM and ‘gender reassignment’ surgery.

[@chrisbfreelance]

The trans movement have ethical issues with FGM but not the latter of course.

[@MelissaKnoxwriter]

Many, many similarities. Horrifying.

[@julietardos5044]

Fistulas are common after childbirth in African regions where FGM is routinely practiced. It's just devastating.

[@joannewythe1093]

I thought that but you're the only other person to mention it so far

[@pizzaiq]

Elaine is a breath of fresh air. Fantastic podcast. Now how do we put this in front of females that think they need to do this to themselves..

[@Berlinetta-h7p]

Thank-you ladies. I could listen to Elaine all day, talking about the pelvic floor 😆. I have a new appreciation for mine!

[@meretriciousinsolent]

Babies carried in slings have good head control fwiw. There have been concerns raised and it's not the same as being prone obviously but they do still develop those muscles. We also need to stop being so protective of our kids and let them develop their proprioception and internal senses.

[@panninggazz5244]

a friend of mine who transitioned over 30 years ago began having trouble with bladder control after several years. this female to male trans man now has to use some vaginal estrogen....he would say that he had the bladder of a 70 year old man. having to now use the vaginal estrogen causes him dysmorphia. thank you for this....I just started watching so I don't know what you will reveal...

[@irisElee]

44:32 I can't believe this!!! I like Elaine, but It's not "fine." She seems to believe that Western countries have endless medical resources that can simply be squandered on fixing the consequences of people's irresponsibility!

[@anewagora]

When I detransitioned, estrogen improved my vaginal atrophy very quickly. I had the opposite problem of incontinence all my life even before testosterone, where it was hard to let the muscle relax to pee. I trained myself to overcome that issue. The only problem I face longterm is the pelvic floor muscle being too tight. I was recommended to a physical therapist for this.

[@The_New_Abnormal_World_Order]

I knew a bit about the pelvic floor but never knew it was involved in moving fluid from the legs!!!

[@errin-mp1zy]

Yes, I just learnt that too, explains my moms swollen ankles, her pelvic floor was shot, after 5 kids the last 3 all over 12 lb and in labour for 3 days (home births) and no-one told her about pelvic floor exercises, we fail women constantly.

[@gingebrien2408]

My last word Sasha’s hair looks awesome with the perm.

[@juliesheard2122]

Thankyou for your compassionate work. Please keep researching this topic, it may save many many young people form untold suffering.

[@karens-r4w]

This video is PACKED with information! I am so glad I clicked on this. I have really learned so much! (Wow, the pelvis is complex!) I am really going to start paying more attention to pelvic exercise! Thank you SO much for making this video. ❤❤❤

[@ivelisseburclova3786]

I have been working with detransgenders to get proper mental health treatment. When they share their stories, I notice that there is a pattern of professional gaslighting. Many said that after attending counseling or therapy with gender affirmation “professionals” they noticed that they can’t remember the past 1-2 years since they started therapy. Also they reported that they started to have problems recalling their childhood. Have other destrangenders experienced this? Im not sure if those symptoms are the result of professional gaslighting or the hormone injections or both.

[@chrissnyder8108]

As a teen cis-female, my mom's OB-GYN diagnosed my bad acne as coming from a higher than normal level of testosterone, and he proscribe birth control pills to control the acne, which was effective on the acne, but because I could not manage to take my pills exactly 24 hours apart every day, it really messed up the timing of my periods, and he told me that I should not rely on the Pill for birth control, because if not taken absolutely regularly, it can make pregnancy more likely than if you were not using the pill at all. It also made my periods more painful. I decided the "cure" was worse than the acne, and went off the Pill with less than a year on it, and have never gone back, nor have I ever regretted not taking any hormones. I used two simultaneous barrier methods for birth control instead, far more successfully. I am a more androgynous woman; I had dark fine downy facial hair that I was ashamed of as a teen, and I tried to shave it off, which was the worst mistake I ever made, because it just made the hairs look courser and darker when they grew back, and condemned me to shaving my face for life. The societal pressures to fit either a masculine stereotype or a feminine stereotype are very hard on young people, and can force them to do desperate things to try to conform to expectations. If you don't want kids to get pressured into transitioning, we need to let kids know that it is okay to be anywhere along the spectrum of gender presentation from masculine to feminine, that they are perfect just the way they are born. Now that I've got the better part of six decades lived, I'm post-menopausal without ever trying to change the body I was given at birth, even though my life goals might have been easier to achieve as a male, I'm still quite happy with the body I have got, aging as it is. Also, the phenomena of very painful long-lasting cramps (hours, not days) did happen to me the few times I was stimulated to the point of having multiple orgasms one right after the other; even after I got my partner to stop the stimulation, the painful cramps did not stop for many hours, but I do not know if that is part of my having higher testosterone than most women. For the most part, by menstrual cramps and bleeding have been relatively light, as have my menopausal symptoms, so if my testosterone levels are responsible for that I am grateful for it.

[@gaylehudson7267]

I complained of the severe pain in my private area, and they did a colonoscopy and told me that I take too many laxatives. OKAY..... The pain doctor pretended like I didn't say the words and told me to go to an addiction psychiatry clinic, even though there was no evidence in my history at all of any type of addictive behavior. I have never smoked a cigarette and have not drank alcohol in over 25 years and never touched a drug not prescribed to me and never overused the drugs that were prescribed to me. But women are HATED in every way in this world. I live in almost constant severe pain and WILL NEVER SAY THE WORD PAIN TO A DOCTOR EVER AGAIN. I had something like a stroke in 2021 and they would not treat it until my drug test came back. I was paralyzed on the right side and when the cheerful nurse informed me my drug screen was clean and I could FINALLY get stroke treatment, I could not even punch that cheerful hag in the mouth because I was PARALYZED on the right side. In the end they said it was a 42 hour long migraine that made me unable to speak English or move my right side. BUT I WAS NEVER GIVEN ANY MIGRAINE MEDS UNTIL ALL THE SYMPTOMS WERE GONE. I SUFFERED A Full BLOWN MIGRAINE FOR 42 HOURS WITH NO TREATMENT. I am terrified of doctors because of medical abuse by my mother when i was 5 to 11 years old,. I have no idea how to live other than IN CONSTANT SEVERE UNSPEAKABLE PAIN.

[@ezzafive9271]

I’m so sorry you’re going through this. Can you see a herbalist or Chinese medicine practitioner? Acupuncture?

[@gaylehudson7267]

@@hlw1306 Yeah. I've suffered it for 4 decades. The accusations of addiction did not start until obonobo death care. I used the public health clinic for 15 years and they treated me fairly well, though they did try to make me get a hysterectomy at age 29. I refused and still have all my parts. I am 61 and I avoid doctors at all costs.

[@gaylehudson7267]

@@ezzafive9271 Those things won't work for me. I tried everything. It is nothing more or less than what it is. Medicare and the half baked insurance I have will not pay for those things.

[@jellyfishattack]

​@@ezzafive9271😂😂😂

[@tootstoyou1]

It sounds like an awful series of experiences, right from childhood. If you can afford to, see a functional or naturopathic doctor. Also, really focus on nutrition. Give up all processed foods and focus on animal protein. It may take time but can be very healing.

[@MANICATTACKS]

single father of three daughters, with the help of their grandmother i will have to give them puberty talks one day and with the prevalence of trans now, this is vital information i need to account for when we approach the inclusion of that topic too -- thank you for this episode, and many others, for pointing me in the right directions such as learning who are the specialists i would need to consult if it ever becomes relevant and what questions would need to be asked

[@shannonsayshi]

Some inoculation would be good before they're exposed to it the wrong way, for sure. How to do that though... not sure. Maybe some discussion abt how pol believe different things... and how cults condition ppl and work to isolate them.?? I don't know. Definitely no devices in the bedroom at night.

[@melitamcleary6656]

Yay I love Elaine so looking forward to this episode 🎉🎉🎉

[@bradboetig75]

This is an exceptional podcast. Very nice work.

[@fokkerfilms560]

Absolutely! One of the best ever on this topic and done without preaching but with empathy and love. 👍