Derek MPMD: The Importance of Education on Steroids and Understanding the Risks

Welcome to the fifth episode of Shadow Talk, the podcast hosted by six-time Mr. Olympia winner and founder of nutrition and supplement specialists DY Nutrition, Dorian Yates.
Shadow Talk is an insightful podcast series that aims to answer the question: How can you be a better version of yourself?
Dorian welcomes guests from across the world, to not only talk about fitness and health, but how to mentally and spiritually improve oneself. Hosting guests from not only his competitive bodybuilding past, but also from his own journey to self improvement, Dorian asks the questions that will allow you, the audience, to take away valuable and practice lessons you can apply to your own journey.
Dorian’s guest for this episode is the popular KZbinr Derek, founder of More Plates More Dates.
A hugely successful name in the fitness community, Derek has gained over 1.9 million subscribers on his KZbin channel and racked up over 600 million views. In addition to this, he has appeared on a number of podcasts over the years, so we’re delighted to welcome him onto Shadow Talk with Dorian Yates for this episode.
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Timestamps:
0:00:00 - DY Nutrition’s commitment to providing high-quality products
0:02:08 - How Dorian learnt about steroids
0:06:30 - Health awareness of steroids
0:08:00 - Derek’s purpose of channel MPMD
0:08:50 - Importance of being informed
0:09:20 - Dorian’s first experience with steroids and blood tests
0:13:04 - Bringing awareness to people on steroids and risks
0:13:40 - Dorian’s story with steroids and what his doctor told him
0:17:18 - Advice to people starting out
0:20:00 - Dorian’s experience after steroids
0:26:00 - How would Dorian fare in bodybuilding as a whole today
0:30:00 - Dorian’s interests now in helping people
0:33:33 - Living in Spain
0:36:14 - Gyms in Spain
0:38:24 - What Dorian would do differently
0:45:43 - How low did Dorian’s calories go for a contest
0:48:20 - Competing without a coach
0:49:06 - Dorian’s bicep injury
0:51:30 - Females taking steroids and importance of education
1:01:30 - How the bodybuilding industry has changed
1:02:32 - Best thing to do between cycles and transitioning
1:10:10 - Where to find further information on Derek’s page
1:12:20 - Importance of having a baseline
1:13:20 - Derek’s experience
1:14:50 - Does having more muscle mass require more steroids
1:18:13 - Importance of estrogen

[@DorianYatesNutrition]

Timestamps: 0:00:00 - DY Nutrition’s commitment to providing high-quality products 0:02:08 - How Dorian learnt about steroids 0:06:30 - Health awareness of steroids 0:08:00 - Derek’s purpose of channel MPMD 0:08:50 - Importance of being informed 0:09:20 - Dorian’s first experience with steroids and blood tests 0:13:04 - Bringing awareness to people on steroids and risks 0:13:40 - Dorian’s story with steroids and what his doctor told him 0:17:18 - Advice to people starting out 0:20:00 - Dorian’s experience after steroids 0:26:00 - How would Dorian fare in bodybuilding as a whole today 0:30:00 - Dorian’s interests now in helping people 0:33:33 - Living in Spain 0:36:14 - Gyms in Spain 0:38:24 - What Dorian would do differently 0:45:43 - How low did Dorian’s calories go for a contest 0:48:20 - Competing without a coach 0:49:06 - Dorian’s bicep injury 0:51:30 - Females taking steroids and importance of education 1:01:30 - How the bodybuilding industry has changed 1:02:32 - Best thing to do between cycles and transitioning 1:10:10 - Where to find further information on Derek’s page 1:12:20 - Importance of having a baseline 1:13:20 - Derek’s experience 1:14:50 - Does having more muscle mass require more steroids 1:18:13 - Importance of estrogen

[@yiannis.demetriou9696]

Are your products third party tested?

[@WarriorSidMentzer]

The fact that Dorian is asking Derek questions shows he doesn't have a bullshit ego and that is pretty cool.

[@epistemologicaldespair68]

Can’t count the times I’ve heard Derek say “The guy is shredded out of his GD tree, looking like Dorian Fkn Yates” lol. Great crossover

[@UntitledtotheGrave]

The duo we didn't think we needed

[@alkku0075]

But we did

[@jimaldo7715]

@@UntitledtotheGrave it was certainly a pleasant surprise to see this video pup up

[@crushyyog3762]

4 or 5 years ago Derek was still somewhat small time.. Now he's interviewing Dorian Yates. He has come so far. I love it

[@mattepton5731]

Thank you for having Derek on Dorian ! I’ve been a fan of his for 7 years or so and about 27 years a fan of you. I’ll be turning 45 in a few weeks and Derek has taught me a bunch of valuable things from performance enhancement, life extension and quality of life improvements as well as other strategies or concepts to invest in or consider in general. I hope you have a great weekend and Derek too ! 🙏💯

[@sagnikbalo9544]

We want a podcast with Leroy Davis please, I think it would be legendary.

[@sukesingh2099]

That would be great!!!

[@hannanpervez1771]

They haven’t spoke in decades 😕

[@CommandoG331]

They're not friends. Leroy stole a living off the back of Dorian. Still does.

[@jomainasdf1433]

@@CommandoG331 what do you mean? what happened?

[@CommandoG331]

@@jomainasdf1433 all I know is they weren't training partners long. Dorian had partners he trained with for years before Leroy come about. Then Leroy's milked a living off that blood and guts video ever since. All he was,nwas a mouthpiece

[@coopertrost3816]

derek interviewing dorian on dorians podcast haha. great stuff!

[@the_notorious_bas]

That's called a conversation

[@JordanLR]

⁠@@the_notorious_basit is a bit more like Dorian being interviewed though

[@the_notorious_bas]

@@JordanLR In the beginning yes, but later it becomes more of a conversation.

[@richspizzaparty]

Dorian’s podcasts are always the best. Can’t click fast enough!

[@coocoo4cocablunty]

Not really. He talks over a lot of his guests and doesn't let them finish their sentences.

[@cjskelton7603]

Yates would not have got anywhere without Leroy Davies walking him through every exercise, every time! He particularly struggled with sequencing the dumbbell curl even during his Olympia reign!!

[@gary_michael_flanagan_wildlife]

“The competition is NOT on the stage. That’s the end result. The competition is every day DAY IN, DAY OUT that nobody actually sees”. This really resonates with me!! With my wildlife photography it’s similar. It’s the preparation, the miles of walking to the destination where the animals are. The knowing your gear and the concentration needed to create the finished photograph that people love. Thanks, Dorian, great podcast as always. Can’t wait to see Lee Haney on one day!!❤

[@PyronTheDevourer]

Crazy lineup of guests so far. Can't wait for this one to drop.

[@curiosity8494]

Lining up some great guests in this podcast. Nice one. DY winning in the podcast world too.

[@alkku0075]

Cant wait. Going to be on of Your best podcast next to Tom platz one

[@jaycarneygiants]

I feel fortunate to live in a time where the information we need to stay as healthy as possible is available. Imagine back in Dorian's day when they didn't even know to take blood pressure meds.

[@willthomas7666]

When dorian speaks i listen.. it was cool having derek on as well

[@latman1]

Dorian was always such a breath out of fresh air. He doesn't need a hundred thousand likes to feel validated!!

[@NaturalIntensity69]

Stoked to see dorian more on the internet nowdays, i remember 3-4 years ago loving the scarce content and podcasts of his you could find. Would love to pick his brain one day for adapting H.I.T styles.

[@zeroinfinity8227]

Hey Dorian. I love your content, character and discussions. Probably (99.99%) you will not read this, but please know that genuinely you have inspired me in the past 3 years via your podcasts & HIT programs. Thank you.

[@DorianYatesNutrition]

Thank you for your support and kind words! I'm glad to hear that my content and HIT programs have inspired you over the past few years. Keep pushing forward and striving to be your best. Stay strong and keep training hard!

[@MichealBrown-ju5rq]

came here from the MPMD short. Soon as I saw you two together I knew I needed to see the whole thing.

[@RecTown-re6ur]

Always a pleasure and a delightful surprise to get a new Dorian podcast episode dropping. Looking forward to the one with Peter Attia as well.

[@ewannoelkailevi4772]

Blows my mind. I saw Dorian at the Orpheum Vancouver doing a q&a and Oly posing after his ... 3rd O victory? (blown speaker, remember that?) and I follow Derek now as well. Never thought this interview would happen although it makes sense with today's societal progression. I still love Derek's tongue and groove wood panelling. Classic. I'm so old now I remember that the topic of PEDs were still very verboten and even Dorian with his honesty had to tip toe around the topic. Hey Dorian, remember when some dude asked you if you believed Vic Richards ate ~ 15,000 calories/day? You smiled and politely called bullshit. We all laughed.

[@bfmv4evr88]

Dorian has the best gainer on the market. I took 2 1/2 scoops with 1 liter of milk everyday for a year and with hard training the results were clearly visible and felt, actually I decreased my body fat percentage and I gained 7-9 kg of musclemass. The results were almost anabolic.

[@sturdygirl75]

Thank you Dorian, for this episode. Valuable information for us women who love listening to your content. I'm definitely one of your 3% 😊 ❤

[@dylanfirth3813]

Dorian had a chuckle and you could see a flashback ,💪🏻 you are thee man! **

[@JasonB_13]

It's awesome to see Dorian's brand really start to crossover onto the mainstream's radar. One of the most dominant bodybuilders of all time should be a household name like Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson, Derek Jeter. He certainly is held in that regard in this house. As my sons are finally reaching training age I assure you they're super familiar with The Shadow and have a great deal of reverence and appreciation for the database that he's shared.

[@seleb1539]

Happy to see Derek with The Shadow. Legend 💪

[@spacecowboy3914]

I've never seen Derek so nervous !

[@karkkimarkkinat2109]

Watch the Joe Rogan podcast 😂

[@djokernolecristi3279]

Love Dorian. Super smart guy, so relaxing to hear him share his experiences

[@Dylan-cj7ku]

Awesome, easily one of my favourite podcasts. Excited to see who you bring on next!

[@zarathustra007]

the podcast we all need and deserve

[@jessebrown1400]

There's something about Dorian's storytelling that is so good, what a great interview! I loved that part about the anti-estrogens. I had a similar experience using a 19-nor only base and paid a bit of a price. Bodybuilding has come a long ways but I still love the 90's era, he's right when he describes 90's desire in the gym. BIG was in, but I can appreciate Dorian's different identity. In our eyes he's still in essence BODYBUILDING.

[@cyrillyons1531]

I absolutely love this collaboration. Thank you, Mr. Y for being an example of many things to integrate into everything. It's not just bodybuilding. You have said if you apply the same actions (with consistency) from bodybuilding to anything in life, success is more than possible! Absolutely brilliant, you even know Derek exists because many do not allow themselves to open their mind to younger sources!

[@alexanderkernoghan4385]

Everyone who is great at what they do has one thing in common. Surprisingly, it is not talent or determination, these are common but not universal. Universally, they have a simple and actionable way of thinking about what they do. This lets them focus on what is important so their effort yeilds results. Dorian is the most concise thinker on body building and his explanations always display deep understand distilled to their essence. He is a great for a reason.

[@christopherhughes-hh2yp]

Good to see Derek is back sat in his mum and dad's sauna

[@adamcooper8463]

Another great conversation podcast. I would love to see Leroy one where they talk about their days together. Perhaps get Dorian’s other old training partner, Paul also. Another podcast with perhaps jay cutler or John little.

[@alcito101]

The respect that Dorian shows for my Canadian compatriot Derek is contagiously humbling. It is familiar: I am a college professor, and I learn from my students.

[@cambruno5066]

Crazy multiverse crossover. Have been a fan of Dorian since I started bodybuilding and Derek since 2020. We needed this! Thank you from returning from the shadows Derek!

[@pashagymlife977]

Brilliant this was a epic collaboration. I've go so much respect for dorian I love listening to him speak, in such a fake World his a one of the real ones.

[@Jordan-sy7my]

This is awesome! For myself and I think Derek too.

[@darrinuhl8103]

I loved hearing Dorian discuss his experiences. Let’s get these two guys together again soon.

[@gsp81]

Not a fan of bodybuilding or body builders. But Dorian is a first class G. Complete honesty. Rare dude

[@edzeplin77]

Genuinely excited for this

[@shmoo1000]

It's be awesome to see you speak with Leroy Davis and the past training you guys achieved

[@Roadmap.to.Resilience]

So stoked on the collab!! 🙏💪

[@heartoflion888]

We got a derek and dorian podcast lets fkn go

[@jaycutlery]

Looking forward to it.

[@antonio1681]

this is gonna be great stuff

[@simplymana]

Wow I can’t believe these two are sitting in the same room together. I haven’t even watched this yet but I’m so KEEEEENNNNN if I could like this a million times I would. Tysm😊

[@danielparkinson5834]

They aren’t, video call.

[@ayda2876]

Thank you for making this ♥️ So glad to see you still around and well

[@Pdotta1]

What a genuine person. Dorian.

[@user-uk3jk6dk8v]

Great podcast, thanks Dorian you’re the man! You should have vigorous Steve has well, Steve and Derek are the most knowledgeable guys on KZbin right now

[@laddy2522]

made my day seeing this collaboration

[@patricksorger1595]

The mental health issue for gear is super important and very much overlooked for sure.

[@doriangates9918]

I would love to see more of these two. Dorian and Derek are my favorite of all time in the fitness industry.

[@User107D]

Good conversation - cheers! I must admit that I had different experience with steroids, used Nolvadex but very speringly and couple of shots of HCG after the cycles were enought to restart my natural testosterone production whiteout an issues (never used more than 1000mg test per week tho). This shows how different every individual is regarding the usage of drugs and I think that trial & error is king but it is good to have general knowledge about the subject before you start experimenting on yourself 😅

[@Purplereign3121]

A podcast with Dorian is a gift. Always.

[@matinbali]

Your honesty is awesome Dorian. Arnold would never even think of saying what he did. I guess to be fair he was in politics and they are full of lies. Can I ask for a healthy 54 year old is small amounts of test and so on a big issue health wise ?

[@AJ_2204]

How's this the first I've heard of the pod could quite literally listen to Dorian for hours

[@leonidas3127]

Derek providing a platform for Dorian is very generous from the Derek’s side

[@AJ_2204]

@@leonidas3127 honestly surprised his channel hasn’t been recommended to me before, I’ve watched the rogan and True Geordie podcast with him a couple times each before guess it just takes a Derek collab😂

[@Dragonlagan1]

Great back and forth. Derek is always so good at general conversation as a guest and host

[@kyawswarhantun7767]

this is a crazy work

[@FLOYD-MAYWEATHER-TBE]

The Kings Of Chemical Warfare

[@willthomas7666]

Obv roids are part of the sport when ur talking pro level bbing.. I don't think alot of ppl realize.. the main component is genetics, u could lit take someone with decent genetics and put them on the same cycles/ food, training etc, and they would look nothing close, to someone who has elite bbing genetics... these guys are freaks of nature..

[@willthomas7666]

Samething with ur genetics, on how well u respond to roids... ppl could take the same cycles these guys do, and there body won't put on anywhere near the muscle, as someone like say dorian

[@kallelund4487]

@@willthomas7666 It's not about that. its half what u say, How well someone respond to steroids is how well can u handle the sides. the more peds u take and can TAKE the sides with no problems the more u can take and dont go off. This is for real a chemical warfare,

[@RichRobinson]

@@willthomas7666cool story

[@JM-bg2ts]

Dorian making up words in his add read "adoptatation" i like that 👌

[@erikverstrepen3373]

One to save ! Encyclopaedic and very educational ! Eye opener for sure. See you on the next one Dorian !

[@MarkWarren-sw8bq]

You and Derek are the only two guys I listen to.

[@igorveinybeastilles5066]

Perfect podcast lots of prices information Thank you ❤

[@eldictator1]

Dorian smoothly moving away from the dosage question ha

[@cdog2145]

Quality dorian always pushing your perspectives.

[@JR-ru3wt]

YES!

[@anibaldelgadillo2369]

Wow. As a natural bodybuilder, I am so glad I never went down that (synthetic) road.

[@djkimvlogger9762]

Finally a video about how to build the perfect beast

[@snehamshis]

Please Dorian we want one with your favourite peer KEVIN LEVRONE....Please 😭 😭😭 I've always been a die hard fan of the SHADOW since childhood but lately i've learnt about Kevin's journey and all that he has been through... It would be very inspiring and already goosebumped imagining it happen and you both talkin bout your walk of life... Great motivation for all young bloods Before i die i wanna see you guys talking over this beautiful craft you guys share... ❤ PLEASE DORIAN...much love ❤️‍🔥

[@robriste]

the statement about 'Competition' was Gold, thanks

[@jimaldo7715]

Anadrol was trash for me. Like Dorian said, it'll make you feel strong when lifting, but I had crazy side effects; severe insomnia/anxiety, which led to audio hallucinations... bizarre.

[@zoheir1162]

What's the most legit website that people buy dianabol from? 🙏

[@jimaldo7715]

@@zoheir1162 Fuck knows. I bought shit from a hookup 15 years ago.

[@willashwood7803]

Great episode! You are a legend Mr Yates, can't wait for the next one!!

[@Jdac333]

“Not necessarily a bad thing…” 😂😂😂

[@Camaro254]

Please do an interview with Lee Haney, that would be an awesome Collab!!!! I wish you could do one with Nasser, that would have been amazing to listen to!!

[@darrennaidoo6252]

Wow two legends🎉

[@Stardust-neroli]

17:05 damn it, I really hoped he would answer what was his treshold of taking steroids. Nasser El Sonbaty said the most he took was 5000mg of test without other compounds. We understand that genetics play a huge roll and building muscle takes time, but I wish they would just say how much steroids it took to get Mr. Olympia title. What was their max.

[@anthonyvenegas8299]

He has ,give it a look,,ther was a recent 1

[@user-uh9px7yh9p]

Dorian the legend.

[@Alx7051]

Fantastic podcast

[@anthonyhewitt9397]

I could listen to this all day. Amazing content.

[@user-cg2xu7tj8i]

Can’t wait for the next podcast !!!!!

[@Owen-C1997]

I was surprised to see this collaboration, but man did i click faster than ive ever clicked on a video before in my life 😂. Great video. Kind of reminds me of the years old video of Dorian telling his stories on the joe rogan experience.

[@damienwinpenny1267]

Two amazing minds - DY is a hero!

[@seandunn333]

Bloody great chat this❤

[@AndromedatheBasshead]

Supraphysiological dosage of knowledge. Thumbs up emoji times three bro

[@andypicken7848]

Lots of matters in like appear straight forward but are infact more complicated than first appearances. So it is with harmones, an ignorant man would surpose "its just a hormone", however having listened to Derek it becomes apparent how complicated the endocrine system is and how upsetting steroids are.

[@MichaelB1979]

I cant imagine how Derek felt talking to Dorian. Its a dream

[@rgmann]

My guess is that if Dorian had continued to train as heavy as possible, using relatively sloppy reps and too much momentum (as he usually did back in his prime), then he would have eventually suffered injuries regardless of any dietary restriction or steroid cycles he used. You can get the same results by using more moderate weights and a slower more controlled rep cadance (with much less chance of injury), as long as you take your sets to failure.

[@LDacic]

Liked the video faster than Derek can say supraphysiological.

[@gdgrim]

Great collab,

[@MA-id1hr]

Hot that like button guys! 🤙 C'mon!

[@MrJ027]

Looking forward to this

[@adamlindsay6955]

Dorian is a good man, always the truth - before he was a social media megastar but still the greatest bodybuilder ever he would explain the reasoniong/science on anything to people that were committed to having a go in temple gym. (Even opions on the Author of Books) I think there are possibly a lot of old bodybuilders like myself that never made it, changed did the 9-5 thing consequently destoyed their body in office chairs eating shit food conforming to society he could really help on Hormone optimisation be it TRT or not.

[@kellyhope8248]

Awesome conversation Derek and Dorien.

[@christiansinner5187]

Great podcast.

[@DorianYatesNutrition]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@justinwhite313]

Great shit!

[@laurencewilliams536]

Another fantastic podcast keep them coming 💪🏻👍🏻🙏🏻

[@adamcooper8463]

I love these podcasts, and this was a very good one!! The only thing that annoys me little bit is I hear a lot of the same questions; ‘what you do differently’, ‘who’s better todays guys or the 90’s etc etc. I want to know things like how was the diet, when did he have a relaxing meal (every week or two etc when in the off season) what did he do to kill time back in the day when not training (e.g video games, pick kids up from school , what’s films etc. what did he think of victor Richard’s when he saw him, was he as big as they say, was vi bigger than Dorian, does he think box in shape do well in the mr.o. There’s so much more to know, but it’s about asking the right questions

[@daveyadict_]

17:40 I 100% agree. If you're not stepping on a stage to be competitive, there's 0 reason to take anything.