Testosterone, Bodybuilding & Confidence - More Plates More Dates

Derek is a KZbinr, founder of Gorilla Mind and a fitness expert.
The Liver King has seen one of the fastest rises to internet fame ever. Documenting his ancestral lifestyle generated millions of followers and hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for his businesses, but it turns out that the physique he displayed in his content was built on massive amounts of performance enhancing drugs, despite him denying it on many occasions.
Expect to learn what Derek thinks of the Liver King's apology video, just how extreme the number of drugs he was talking were, whether there is more information still to come out, the risks for anyone of taking TRT, Derek's thoughts on NoFap, how to develop confidence when approaching someone you like and much more...
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00:00 Intro
01:11 How the Public Reacted to the Documentary
10:47 What Information did Derek Hold Back?
15:42 Thoughts on the Apology Video
19:55 What Drugs was Liver King on?
30:32 The Future for Liver King
39:31 Health Risks of Taking TRT
48:45 Should We Be Worried About Men’s Testosterone Levels?
1:02:46 Derek’s Opinion of Andrew Huberman
1:13:15 What Chris Learned from an E-Sports Coach
1:17:28 Health Impacts of Modern Bodybuilding
1:24:45 Derek’s Opinion on NoFap
1:29:26 Risks of Going Too Long without Ejaculating
1:34:34 How To Gain Confidence Around Girls
1:42:55 Where to Find Derek
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[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you subprimal beauties. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:11 How the Public Reacted to the Documentary 10:47 What Information did Derek Hold Back? 15:42 Thoughts on the Apology Video 19:55 What Drugs was Liver King on? 30:32 The Future for Liver King 39:31 Health Risks of Taking TRT 48:45 Should We Be Worried About Men’s Testosterone Levels? 1:02:46 Derek’s Opinion of Andrew Huberman 1:13:15 What Chris Learned from an E-Sports Coach 1:17:28 Health Impacts of Modern Bodybuilding 1:24:45 Derek’s Opinion on NoFap 1:29:26 Risks of Going Too Long without Ejaculating 1:34:34 How To Gain Confidence Around Girls 1:42:55 Where to Find Derek

[@masterofnone8400]

Plz stop cursing dude, honestly it's tiring.

[@Youtuber-nx2ys]

Giving a Subprimal thanks for the time stamps. 🎉😂

[@miketucker8137]

Hey bro I'm new here I loved the podcast. I was thinking if you turned your background vertical instead of horizontal I think it would look much better in the distant wide camera angle. Just a thought 🤔 other than that love your show 😉

[@sa.8208]

@@ggrthemostgodless8713 this These podcasts kinda elevated him to this level, then screech when it crashes down, These podcasts just following trends now, especially this one

[@daMillenialTrucker]

​@@KZbinr-nx2ysgood evening subprimal 😂

[@MorePlatesMoreDates]

Thanks for hosting me dude. Really enjoyed our conversation. Stay away from those receipts!

[@Moshm4n]

Keep killing it , man. You're truly inspiring.

[@pi5724]

Hey man, love your content but a friend recently pointed out that you sell finasteride? I have great hair, so dont really care but he said it's not a widely studied drug, little research on it and that while you do own several businesses, you're not actually a pharmacologist -> this kinda makes you come off as a bit a charlatan...i challenged said friend by saying, you take it yourself...but was hoping you could shed some light on it a bit more deeply. I really respect you, hoping you can comment. Thanks man, bless up.

[@ChrisWillx]

Big love man. Supraphysiological doses of receipts incoming!

[@facundosilva2449]

Derek getting even more attention from unmasking liver king, I fucking love it! One of the main reasons I started working out and starting a balding prevention treatment, totally changed my life. This is the kind of fitness influencers we need, educated and transparent.

[@travelreview5962]

@@pi5724 lol bro he is the partial owner in a men's health and wellness clinic and they have doctors who prescribe finasteride... he's not like selling it on the black market lol. Finasteride is one of the oldest and most researched and understood hairloss drugs in the world anyways.. I can't at all see how you got to calling him a charlatan..

[@crd9191]

Derek deserves some kind of journalism award for the professionalism and precision with which he exposed one of the biggest fitness scandals in recent cultural memory.

[@tylermasi289]

Zack Telander did a bang up job as well

[@cx2900]

all those rewards are just for establishment types to circlejerk each other anyway. they'd probably be disgusted at the idea of giving their precious award to "a youtuber"

[@obscureorca]

While I love Derek and follow him a lot, he isn't really a journalist, somebody just gave him the proof. He did an amazing job on putting together the video, but he didn't do any journalist work.

[@moemoney1111]

He deserves snitches get stitches

[@cbmathews0440]

@@obscureorca that’s very often what journalists do. They’re not all detectives

[@ifanator]

what you guys said about Huberman about going through boring literature and finding solutions for the laymen is basically what a professor does for his job. That is why he's so good at it. He also has a lot of integrity and rigorous in his research and methodology like a good scientist.

[@rickymatthews797]

Derek is literally the goat when it comes to bodybuilding information.

[@StrongBodyandMind33]

The NoFap thing is a great idea for most men. It also has physiological benefits that contribute to the rebuilding of the body

[@michaelr1989]

Chris's guests are so varied and his interviewing style is great, but always special to see podcasts on topics he himself has a good understanding of.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

He's grown *so much* since he started! 😳😳😁👍🏻

[@huberfan7]

god derek is always just such a voice of reason

[@heimbiggysmallz]

It’s nice listening to someone who you really know is a down to earth and decent person

[@ricodelta1]

God yeah man, totally agree hey

[@elisteele574]

Commenting to support the channel. Derek is the best. Great conversation with lots of really cool take-aways. Thanks for doing what you do.

[@PeterBarber]

Great conversation. Thanks, gentlemen!

[@seankovarik4444]

Awesome episode! Love seeing Derek on these longer form podcasts

[@mattepton5731]

Love these podcasts and my man Derek is a leader in this industry and someone who I am grateful for and will continue to support 🤝💯

[@boyunderbridge]

Epic discussion. Love the insight.

[@jessgarcia4565]

More Plates More Chris Williamson! 💙

[@jsavak99]

Informative interview

[@M1gas]

good talk :) for some time i've been wanting to see derek in podcasts

[@SinisterSkip]

I love the conversation, obviously Chris is really smart and Derek is just such a down to earth dude. I REALLY love so many podcasts the last couple of years of really just, reasonable people that are super well informed and clearly are here to find out the truth and share it with everybody. Often times these are people without the 'official papers', no master's degree or PhD, but often 5 times more informed than your average general practitioner.

[@raddimusmcchoyber3362]

Really interesting from Chris from about 35:00. A manifestation of this I’ve seen is someone trying to laugh along with their own bullying (has to be a certain kind of bullying, not too physical and not genuine affectionate “ball breaking” between guys). They try to re-orient it as being genuine banter or a group joke that everyone, including them as the target, are all in on. It can be genuinely heartbreaking to see. I am the last person on Earth who would ever consider myself any kind of “mentor” but I sort of took a younger lad under my wing when I saw this scenario playing out and I think, no I know I helped him sort it out.

[@nystagmus]

Derek is very humble Excellent answer and genuine answer to the first question

[@AcidGlow]

Great podcast. Covered alot of topics that are really interesting.

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

would've loved to sit in on this conversation. Great job

[@StrongBodyandMind33]

Derek’s word of the year “quantify” 😃

[@FkYouProbably]

Two of my favorite men on the internet!!! Love this!

[@sup9542]

Great advice on sleeping on a normal schedule and approaching women. It’s advice we’ve heard before, but the trick is in the delivery, and Derek has a great matter of fact delivery like it’s a really obvious thing you need to do if you want to grab some low hanging fruit in life.

[@wakunolilubasi4273]

loving all this bodybuilding content, CBUM, THE GIFT and now MORE PLATES. are you able to bring ok KAI ?

[@Nah-ah]

Another phenomenal interview!

[@noemartin11]

Two of my favorites. Great job of of touching on a subjects that men have to go through in our lives. I used to easily find and get what I wanted with women but when you get to a certain age you need to figure another way to be fulfilled because the tools you had diminish and shows like yours deal with our ability to adapt to find out your options for living a satisfyingly life. Thank you both.

[@nicolaspicolas6228]

This was great, thanks very much for sharing your information.

[@OneSillyWanker]

"There is more to come out." I've said that many times.

[@donherndon8009]

Awesome pod boys thanks for it

[@johang7498]

As the Liver King story shows it obviously will still take quite a few years to get to more realistic and healthy body ideals. But it does feel a bit like a breakthrough, I hope more of these fake nattys will get exposed. Guys like Derek are to be admired; i've seen him pass by sometimes on my youtube-feed, feel kind of inspired now to check out some of the content on his channel. Great conversation, U 2, thanks!

[@toddmank45]

Life changing talk. Mission accomplished boys. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼

[@Sabin41]

Been subbed to Derek since he had a couple of hundred thousand subscribers. Originally found him through his pre-workout (not the other way around). Crazy to see how big he's become.

[@223raulh]

Chris you're a good guy. If anyone makes you feel like anything less, it's because you have haters that want to take you down a peg. I mean you have a good podcast show, you're seen as successfull and lets face it, you're a handsome man.

[@fbmimpy]

You're the one that broke the story?? love it! 🤣 Well done sir!

[@patrickstar1439]

Derek’s hair is looking good

[@seaslob2820]

Chris W. has one of the top 5 shows. Along with Lex, Rogan and Huberman. They are all so good. Love Chris' show

[@paulperole]

this is a valid comment

[@akaemzett]

The four podcasts you mentioned are great, which is the fifth for you? Mine is Triggernometry!

[@seaslob2820]

@@akaemzett That is a good one also. Ramzpaul and Scott Adams

[@JohnWick-wm4pd]

New sub. Great interview mate!!

[@Shambley1]

Lol derrick is making that media push to take advantage of this. Good for him. He's going to gain even more eyes. It won't take long for those new eyes to learn he really knows what he's talking about and become fans.

[@JamieJacksonati]

More reveals more appeal. Or something.

[@centropygepotteri]

I reckon it's at least as much other pods that want to cash in on the fact his video is doing millions of views

[@jonathonfreelove5321]

Great episode

[@gungi4764]

Nice vid

[@funygameur]

The NoFap conversation is awesome ! I've been doing that for..wow in one year it will be ten years and I've never heard some of these arguments before ! Nicely done guys ❤

[@The_MKUltra]

I love Derek and glad hes getting the deserved shine. He tries to bring truthful info to the masses and sells honest products.

[@strangeclouds7]

Does he sell honest products?

[@benhall2235]

@@strangeclouds7 not sure I’d agree with that either. I think he honestly thinks that some of his products “may” help in the same way that placebo help. He was selling turkesterone which lost him credibility in my eyes. He did say that he was selling it based off of convincing anecdotal evidence at least which is better than no evidence but scientifically there’s no reason to suppose that ecdysteroids would have any anabolic properties in humans. I wouldn’t bother with preworkouts and supplements full of caffiene myself but I do trust his knowledge of actual steroids. I wouldn’t use him as my only source of info on anything though.

[@letztesindividuum825]

@@strangeclouds7 Well his Turkesterone was bunk apparently, also people tend to forget that he was the one of the biggest promoters of liverking in the first place :D

[@strangeclouds7]

@@letztesindividuum825 Yeah seriously.. honest products tho lmao

[@GodIsGrand87]

His a2am fat burner Is insane. Legit helps.

[@russdrake9657]

It's not complicated as far as honesty. It's only complicated for @liverking on a business level. Ultimately, this was a total business play. If he wanted to show the tenants and not lie he could have and may have actually served a purpose. Forward....don't care but was entertaining

[@blaketheshepherd]

I thought we all knew Liver King was on steroids and the whole thing was a big joke?

[@OliHandy2008]

I was so surprised he did the apology video, I thought he would just troll the haters more and laugh at them...like "ho-ho you sub-primals really thought I was natty?, look at my fucking abs, I'm 44 yrs old FFS!"

[@averma12]

I'm watching this in standard 480p but the quality on the video is amazing.

[@joncarlin1893]

Let’s go. I love this collab ❤

[@luked4587]

This guy is such a legend

[@Kingkillwatts]

Love Derek. He's been helping me with a shit ton of aspects in my life since 4 years ago. If this man was not around I'd be in a much worse place let's just say.

[@Marggalos]

Which videos of him do you recommend watching cause he has a lot of info and videos about all sorts of things

[@Swlness]

Awesome podcast bro 👌

[@matrixInvader]

Some of the best content on youtube no question

[@kylebraun8026]

Awesome to see Derek being deferred to on this topic; his voice is very much needed

[@GregDZ33]

Look at all of the people all over social media on gear. The Liver King is certainly not alone when it comes to lying for profit.

[@10onpump5]

Can we get Derek back on ?!

[@mrwaldoful]

Great talk

[@anonony9081]

His apology would have been okay if he just admitted that he pretended to be natural because it made him more money. Nobody wants to follow some guy who's jacked up on steroids everyone wants to follow the natural guy who is the biggest and that's the only reason he lied. Without the lie of being natural he would have just been another guy on the internet doing steroids. The idea that he was doing it to help men is just stupid. Also saying I fucked up or I made a mistake is such a bad way of owning up. Fucking up is doing something once by accident on I'm impulse. Consciously perpetuating a lie over and over is not the same as fucking up

[@GW_FIT]

Brilliant chat this 👏

[@therealsamho]

Derek and Noel are the saviours of the fitness industry

[@champ8605]

Hampton from hybrid calisthenics deserves a mention for pursuing fitness for fitness and not just to look jacked.

[@cvspvr]

@@champ8605 also the bioneer

[@nicholaskoenig3106]

Great interview here Chris! Derek is the shit. You have such unique points of view, and eloquent ways of putting it. Got my SUB!!

[@DeadManVlog]

Great content.

[@nicksunstrider258]

Damn, didn't look at eSports that way until this podcast: the supplementation (nootropics), sleep, and nutrition among eSports athletes' optimal performance

[@kwilliams1958]

A Narcissist will always reframe the narrative, and authentic apologies aren't part of the narrative.

[@richardburgesslll2459]

Great video

[@scotthickey2612]

Conclusions on shower head filter recommendation? Trying to get one.

[@TheXabl0]

Liver kings eyes absolutely moved left to right as if reading from a teleprompter during his apology

[@chrislemieux2747]

Oh, they gave Derek a great idea for video content for sure!

[@ds1859]

This guys is becoming one of my favorite podcast hosts

[@Not_A_Federal_Agent]

27 test level 628 free is 8.8 I’m considering trt after improving all my lifestyle metrics for the last 3 years-> no alcohol gym 5times a week and a clean diet thoughts? I’m holding onto way more fat now than I ever have and I feel tired/depressed/low libido.

[@danielamon6978]

Next up for liver king: becoming a Christian influencer!

[@TVResults]

Derek's voice sounds like Mike Matthews/Muscle for Life. They could be voice brothers. Enjoyed these insights, ty

[@FreedomFox1]

My favorite part is Liver King including Derek in his meal blessings, like he’s Delt Jesus or something.

[@funygameur]

He's The Emperor, built the Delts-stars

[@Adetv1616]

What is the name of the documentary ?

[@NuriiG]

Just two GOATS having a chat✊

[@MrAPCProductions]

How people couldn't see the narcissism associated to the individual both brings me joy that more people aren't corrupted by this evil, and fills me with dread that more people are not aware of this evil.

[@brianmeen2158]

Yeah I could see through the liver kings bullshit but many couldn’t. It’s honestly bizarre that he had such a following

[@SevAnsdigg-123]

In the video or what do you mean.

[@OliHandy2008]

Bit strong. Evil ? He lied about PED use. Just like 99% of top athletes and sports players. Wait until you hear about murderers and rapists. You will crap yourself!!

[@Jsouv10]

1:28:22 chris’ face randomly reminded me of maester aemon from GOT lmaoo

[@twoheadedtasmanian1481]

For everyone saying Derek is this genius journalist keep in mind he had the proof the whole time sitting in his inbox he just needed to open an email lol 😂

[@JamieJacksonati]

Haha fair.

[@mjmcg73]

And the trainer sent him the survey results and blood work. It isn't journalism, it's filmmaking, a really well done documentary.

[@jacobsherwood1655]

The genius was in letting the liver king snowball to a point of popularity that made this exposure as big of a deal as it is. You think Derek really never saw the emails? sure that's possible, what's also possible is that Derek never saw the risk of exposing a "confidential" email worth it until liver king reached a certain threshold of popularity/doubling down on the natty status.

[@paddington1670]

@@jacobsherwood1655 nailed it, the noose needed to be tighter

[@thefeverdream]

@@jacobsherwood1655 I highly doubt it was that calculated lol

[@pfrost45]

Some guys you aren't sure about. This guy has bubble gut, he's in his 40s, he's large and lean ALL THE TIME. I was 99.99% sure he was on PEDs. The fact that he denied it so strongly just put him in the Mike O'Hearn category for me (pathological liar). So all of this coming out is not big news or shocking for me at all. All that aside, this was an excellent interview. Definitely going to check out some of Chris's other interviews.

[@paulperole]

he was known as Primal Lad before, good mention Chris

[@markholmes5695]

Excellent conversation guys. Already subscribed to Derek, now subscribed to Chris 👍🏽 I think low T levels are more linked to pollutants than diet, exercise, light, heat , wearing tight pants etc. as the latest studies show a world wide sperm and T level (including less advanced nations, nomadic tribes etc) decline not just a first world, high tech society problem. It’s literally in the water now. Bisphenols (BPA, plastic) a known hormone disruptor being the most likely culprit, apparently.

[@enrac]

The comment about the Liver King sounding and acting like a WWE star is on point!

[@BoundlessRoamad]

The internet of beefs is hard at work

[@naradadasa7554]

man Derek has thoroughly thought this shit out and is smart as fuck... I am impressed

[@jaycarneygiants]

01:29:27 Frequency of ejaculation is tied to prostate cancer. "High ejaculation frequency was linked to a decreased risk. Compared to men who reported 4-7 ejaculations per month across their lifetimes, men who ejaculated 21 or more times a month enjoyed a 31% lower risk of prostate cancer" -Harvard Health

[@GoodVibesOnly1914]

Speaking of chlorine in shower water, flouride is probably worse and is almost impossible to filter out unless you get giant filter systems..so i drilled a well in the mountains!

[@leonie3317]

My dad was a strongman and he died at 52 after using PEDs and still going to gym right up until his heart stopped in his sleep. Hard to listen to this 🙁

[@caseygoddard]

"Smash the dopamine button" is such a great turn of phrase.

[@yf8979]

Can you do an episode with an esport mental performance coach

[@JCOwens-zq6fd]

Falling into dialectics is always an issue. People tend to swing from one extreme to another. Realistic expectations isnt really the norm.

[@slickiestrick5479]

Ronie Coleman before steroids looked great

[@chrismosey4400]

I’d love the bloodwork breakdown.

[@robertsaladino]

I've never seen an apology video where the person just says sorry....100 percent of the time, the apology is followed by the justified reason why they did it. And the reason always puts the person in the best light.

[@SmoltingWassie]

Did Derek have the media tour booked before dropping the Liver King video?

[@ryanfettes6636]

It made me laugh that his video said 'confession'. Bro you aren't confessing, you got caught.

[@newsoftheday420]

I think for whatever reason, integrity is in very short supply.

[@kirks386]

Following the youtube yellow brick road algo and I am glad I finally wound up out of the woods watching this.

[@wlls]

The Guy openly stated he started his career as a drug rep and said it's a great job too. No wonder he's ok with selling lies to people. He's been taught how to do so and profit from it. All you need to do is tell yourself you are helping people. The dude hates wifi but sold pills to doctors

[@heathermariearmbrust]

Hahaha exactly

[@Geronimo00]

You have a problem with doctors deciding on which medicine to prescribe?

[@requiem-ph5xx]

what crack are you smokingg

[@wlls]

@@Geronimo00 no not at I just hope they do a little research after that big lunch the drug rep brought them. I think it’s important for doctors to know what drugs their prescribing I just don’t think the current system of traveling drug dealer has the right approach.

[@garrettcole2251]

You want to know the best bodybuilding tip for hyper growth. Do daily feeder workouts with 50% of your max for 100s of reps 3 days or more a week. Its about stimulating satillite cells for myoblasts and muscle fibers. - by your Nigerian Afrikan olowo

[@tanakathecowboy]

seeing the Delt God in all 3 of my fav podcasts? Check.

[@SoulDelSol]

"Have you ever seen a kid hit another kid, that kid cries, and so the kid who hit him cries too in order to find affinity with his adversary? Ever seen that?" "No." "I have."

[@Gojus2602]

good one