Whoop 4.0 In-Depth Review // Accuracy and the Algorithm

[@DCassidy42]

I hate the fact that it's a subscription program... For me it's a deal breaker.

[@trevorgaddy5947]

$300 plus subscription…. Glad I watched this video first

[@apocalypse487]

It's overpriced. I would consider it for $5 a month. $10 Max, but that's still a lot.

[@TheBamanda2]

@@trevorgaddy5947 $300 is the cost of the subscription and the device for one year

[@JustReviewitplz]

It’s like a typical gym membership. Big whoop. No pun intended

[@DCassidy42]

@@JustReviewitplz minus the gym.

[@theentropykid]

This was a FANTASTIC video. No joke, you did solid work here. Thank you!!

[@rpsingh18]

Love the data and the comparisons! Wish there were more technical unbiased reviews on YT. Heart felt gratitude DesFit!

[@DesFit]

Happy to help. Thanks!

[@johnofavalon1]

It's a big scam. Make sure you slept at least 7 hours a night. Log your sleep with a simple free sleep app. Drink minimum 8 glasses of water upto 16 glasses of water. Eat nutritious food when you are hungry and stop before you are full. You don't need any gadgets and gimmicks.

[@ItsDisliked]

Update for those that mainly do weight training/musculair training: Whoop released an update that can finally measure musculair strain. Instead of getting 5-6 you can now get 13 with just muscle training!

[@SuperDraupnir]

13 what?

[@askeladd709]

@@SuperDraupnir Strain level I'm guessing.

[@Mango_Dx]

Is this the level cap increased or sarcasm

[@raulmachler8830]

How does this work? I got the whoop 1 week ago. While doing muscle training, it gives me only a 5 or 6.

[@DanyPell]

And how would they know from just a wrist band... Theyll need to come up with a camera with AI that always watches for version 5 :D

[@TylerTheStyler]

Phenomenal review, I very much appreciate your experimental approach and data analysis review. Subbed!

[@DesFit]

Thanks!

[@ergophonic]

09:20 This is what I was looking for. I was keen to know how the Strain feature would work with weight training. I don't do enough cardio to warrant this purchase. Thank you for such an excellent review and helping me decide that this is not the wearable for me. I'm confident that biotech wearables will be ubiquitous in the future but they've still a long way to go.

[@oppacab]

Exactly what I took from this

[@Moi_81]

Same. I do mostly strength training and needed a wearable that could track my metrics.

[@samtheman7366]

Yeah also 16:47. Weight training was the only reason I was considering this as I cannot wear Oura on my gym sessions which is pretty critical. I hope Samsung watches would incorporate more of these HRV-and overall readiness levels like other wellness products do.

[@Tyronnster]

Sorry for old post. I predominantly do gym workouts using weights. Any recommendations as i was considering this item Don't have apple phone so cant use apple phone.

[@Seby438]

​@@Tyronnster I believe whoop have added a feature to track weight training better

[@dxb_coder]

The best review about Whoop I've ever watched.

[@Farresyasser]

your videos are like no other!! most of my fitness tech decisions are based on your reviews. thank you and thank you for being honest.

[@DesFit]

Thank you!

[@jonathandurairaj2434]

Genuinely loved this in-depth review, no crap just facts. Thank you so much and keep up the amazing work❤️

[@DesFit]

Thanks and will do!

[@maranr]

Another great thoughtful review. If Garmin can improve their data presentation in their apps and can make it more actionable, personally, I can't see a place for this device on my wrist given the cost. Although, I don't love going to sleep with my Fenix 7s (even if it is the smallest device of that line) so I do think these minimalist devices have a place. I would love to see companies like Garmin come out with a low-cost, low-profile companion device for sleep tracking only.

[@DesFit]

There are certainly opportunities from other companies to present this data better and also provide more historical feedback. It will be interesting to see how Whoop does in the long term.

[@SD-ko4tz]

I dislike the fact that sport watches show you all kind of things which effects me. It can also be in a negative way. So just wearing and not shwoing all kinds of things is the positive of the whoop for me

[@TurkeyDart]

Or something like an oura ring attachment for your wearable. Thats super easy to sleep with

[@hotmail6]

I moved from the galaxy watch 3 to whoop and garmin (by accident, had trouble getting whoop initially and they both ended up showing up on the same day). The galaxy watch 3 showed my HR as sitting between 66 to about 77 throughout the day as it's not sampling as frequently, although it appeared to capture cardio workouts with reasonable accuracy. I'm loving these devices the resolution is awesome HRV and spO2 tracking is wicked and as above great in depth review DesFit. Subscribed.

[@stryjo]

FtiBit had great app and intelligence, but Garmin Fenix is better suited to what I need it for

[@edismehmedali4666]

Appreciate the bicep band section, I’ve been underwhelmed with the accuracy of my whoop on the wrist and was looking for reviews of the bicep band accuracy to see if it would help

[@sigfreed11]

I like the whoop largely because I just want to be healthy, I don’t want yet another screen in my life. Especially attached to my body. I want some no screen competition to go against whoop

[@DrewPeabawls]

5:38 it’s based on a RPE scale which intended to associate effort with heart rate. So a 6 is a no effort since most people’s resting heart rate is 60. 21 is the max since for most people 210 heartbeat is an all out max rate. Hopefully this helps anyone in the future.

[@maggieleonard5854]

Excellent in-depth information clearly delivered. I just got my whoop and this video helped me understand the various aspects of this device.

[@DesFit]

Glad the information helped! Thanks!

[@johnofavalon1]

It's a big scam. Make sure you slept at least 7 hours a night. Log your sleep with a simple free sleep app. Drink minimum 8 glasses of water upto 16 glasses of water. Eat nutritious food when you are hungry and stop before you are full. You don't need any gadgets and gimmicks.

[@mlegrand]

People who have Whoop straps seems to absolutely love it. Whoop-fanatics. I can totally understand how their break down of rest and recovery can be super attractive but I just can't justify that price per month. 😬. I figure all of these workout detections are built around learning algorithms. Seems like we'd see a good bit of improvement over the upcoming years. Should be nice. Amazing video Mr Des! 👏

[@DesFit]

I can see the attractiveness of it but I’m on the same page in regards to price. If it delivered more in terms of accuracy I’d be much more OK with the price. Thanks Matt!!

[@mlegrand]

@@DesFit - Yesterday a friend was telling me that he wouldn’t renew his Whoop. I actually think he’ll miss it switching to Garmin but we’ll see. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DesFit]

@@mlegrand like some relationships, it may be hard at first to break up but better in the long run

[@raidthanfl]

If it can help me get 1-2 more hours of quality sleep, $30 is chump change. When you average 4-5 hours of shit sleep, this can be a game changer. Cant wait to get it in the mail

[@tiffanyhauk2518]

Thank you for your detailed and honest review!!!!

[@ivananelovic3425]

Hvala!

[@DesFit]

Thank you! 🙏

[@ivananelovic3425]

@@DesFit thank you for the detailed review, really helped me understand the product and decide that in the end, it's not exactly appropriate for me.

[@FlowConsciously]

BEST review video I've seen for this product! THANK YOU!

[@DesFit]

You’re welcome! Thanks!

[@johnofavalon1]

It's a big scam. Make sure you slept at least 7 hours a night. Log your sleep with a simple free sleep app. Drink minimum 8 glasses of water upto 16 glasses of water. Eat nutritious food when you are hungry and stop before you are full. You don't need any gadgets and gimmicks.

[@mikeberkey]

Thanks!

[@DesFit]

Thanks, Mike!

[@GeoffreyHiggs]

Great review, I intend to use Whoop solely for the sleep, HRV, and recovery data...don't like sleeping with a heavy watch. I use a Garmin forerunner 945 as well as a garmin HRM Pro Plus chest heart rate strap for key workouts. I mainly use during running threshold workouts to stay in the proper range. Your going to get the most accuracy from a chest heart rate strap.

[@wildgingerruns]

Great review thanks Des! You're awesome! Since when did we become unable to work out whether we need more sleep/rest I wonder! Listening to the body still rules. This gadget sounds like a real money spinner...I'm off for a nap ;)

[@DesFit]

Thanks so much! Hope you enjoyed your nap!

[@walcottav]

My experience was with Whoop 3.0 and while I find what Whoop is trying to do with analytics and presentation really interesting, I found it overkill for me, and the expense unjustified. I am also an arthritis sufferer, and if I followed Whoop's strain recommendation following good sleep recovery consistently, my joint health would suffer severely. I certainly dialed back to what I knew my body could sustain, but the analytics called me out as an underperforming slacker. 😆As for the form factor, I found the wristband didn't hold up for me and the device itself caused a skin rash, something no sports watch has ever done. Perhaps that's been improved in this new version. It will be interesting to see how it all progresses into the future. Nice review Des, thanks!

[@DesFit]

Thanks for sharing your experience! Thanks A Mc!

[@johnofavalon1]

It's a big scam. Make sure you slept at least 7 hours a night. Log your sleep with a simple free sleep app. Drink minimum 8 glasses of water upto 16 glasses of water. Eat nutritious food when you are hungry and stop before you are full. You don't need any gadgets and gimmicks.

[@askeladd709]

Another thing to keep in mind is health insurance subsidies for health wearables. I'm getting reimbursed $150, and ended up paying $265 for the 12 month subscription, making the $22 a month turn into a very reasonable $9 a month for 1 year. The subscription model works well with that kind of yearly reimbursement, versus the purchase of a $750 watch and only getting the single $150 reimbursement. As long as it's comparable to the fitbit, that's good with me.

[@Moi_81]

This review was extremely helpful. This definitely let me know I am not the right user. I also saw somewhere that if you cancel your membership. They will charge you $60 sales tax for the device. Which is also ridiculous.

[@proteinshake3685]

I tried Whoop 4.0 for two weeks , I like their software but the HR sensor is so bad and the calories burned estimate is too low , Yesterday’s full day calories burned was : Apple Watch: 3220 Fenix 7X : 3070 Whoop 4.0 : 2167 I’m just canceled my membership Thank you for the video brother ❤️

[@DesFit]

Calorie estimation was s section I removed due to the video being quite long already. It seems to be OK for individual running activities but was quite off for cycling as well as daily. Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@BlokiMedia]

The Apple Watch specifically has been said to be very generous with how many calories you burn. Would be interesting to see what the result is if you were wired up to high tech doctors gear.

[@andy372]

Excellent review! My thoughts exactly. Garmin should come up with a better way to track HRV and display recovery as whoop does. I’m certainly not happy having to be subscribed to whoop for life to get this. So yes, I’m too patiently waiting for some garmin upgrades. They seemed they slowed down a bit.

[@davidocanas2713]

Thank you for the review. Helped me make up my mind.

[@DesFit]

Glad the information helped 👍

[@johnofavalon1]

It's a big scam. Make sure you slept at least 7 hours a night. Log your sleep with a simple free sleep app. Drink minimum 8 glasses of water upto 16 glasses of water. Eat nutritious food when you are hungry and stop before you are full. You don't need any gadgets and gimmicks.

[@BrandonTalbot]

Always a solid review! Best in the Biz.

[@DesFit]

Thanks Brandon! You’ve got some great videos about it as well!

[@BrandonTalbot]

@@DesFit That's very kind of you thank you.

[@rauliuxaa]

It's an amazing device in terms of sleep tracking, that being said the really important feature that isn't there is being able to observe all the data during the current time when you're actually doing something, unless you're actually looking at your phone, which isn't really that doable in many activities. so the sleep tracker is useful af, other things lack in accuracy and are not actually visible at the point of time you're doing something.

[@JeremyBarbell]

I found it to be extremely unreliable when it came to sleep accuracy. I had to go back and edit my sleep time almost every single day.

[@coached.by.beth.c]

This was such an impressive comprehensive review. Thank you for doing this! Very helpful

[@DesFit]

Glad to help!

[@balajijgd]

Great review, can see so much of effort put into the review 🕴️

[@DesFit]

Thinks!

[@craigclark5845]

Good review, I have had my whoop 4 for a week now, I love how light it is. I find the heart rate as accurate or the same as my Apple Watch series 6 when worn on the wrist. I really like it so far, I also have that battery issue, where you need to slide it off and back on again to charge. I am sure this could be fixed with a firmware update, I did update the battery pack firmware and the watch firmware. It is expensive and I also dislike subscription services, but so far I’m happy with the device.

[@louisschmidt1421]

A fitbit inspire is smaller and lighter. Offers similar metrics, has a display. Cost 70Euro for the device and 12 month premium. The app is a little bit to coloured and not intuitiv. But this wasn’t whoop as well. Both are not good which deep sleep detection. That’s why I finally switched to Vivomove sports, which also looks like a normal watch. Using the fitbit at night for hrv and sending back the whoop.

[@william9104]

Are you still enjoying the Whoop?

[@geekindakitchen]

Thanks mate, appreciate the review as always.

[@DesFit]

👍 you’re welcome

[@geekindakitchen]

@@DesFit keep up the amazing work. I love you style been a long time follower. Lots of love and support from Australia

[@DesFit]

Thanks so much!

[@emailant]

Thank for the wonderful in-depth review. This far exceeds what I’ve been researching for awhile. Love hearing the shortfalls too so it gives me some realistic expectations. I am bummed about the fairly expensive subscription too. For everything, I might be okay with something creeping towards USD $12 -15/mth. Maybe there could be tiered level of service with $2 for each component in the future. All things considered there is one thing that’s moving me towards using this. I prefer to not use a tracker on my wrist but rather have it higher on the forearm or even on my bicep. Forearm cos it doesn’t get in the way when I’m working with my hands generally. Bicep so I can have it hidden under my sleeve for whatever occasion. I feel sensors need to stop trying to be a watch and just be what they’re meant to be, sensors.

[@matthewmackay3354]

That was an excellent discussion of the Whoop. I think the hardware and website are cleverly designed and the info would augment my other tracking devices, but I just cannot justify $40CAD a month for these metrics. Thanks again for putting in the work on this..

[@DesFit]

Sure thing, Matthew. Thanks so much!

[@mdbourne]

Totally agree. The accuracy is not there for the premium price.

[@richxps]

Agreed.. Paying this much just for a whoop membership for 2-3 years gets you a good Garmin device with similar data…. My gym even cost less than whoops monthly fee.. Maybe if it was between 10-15 month to month than maybe I would of considered it…But 30 plus tax !! Ouch

[@fayerosenthal2399]

@@richxps Im disabled so dont need all the bells & whistles on a wearable.I only need body stats in sleep,heart,oxygen variatians,temp etc...But like u i think whoop r v.expensive.I dont want a monthly sub either,id rather buy the wearable & know its mine.So im needing a health tracker as im wrkng woth a new clinician/FDP & hes advosed me to buy a wearable so hes able to my stats 24/7.So may i ask,,do u rec Garmin & dya reckon itd b ok 4 what im needing it for? In ur opinion r they reliable & accurate? Big thanks! x

[@dspeers11]

i did a serious dive and compared a whoop 3 for 18 months, against Garmin instinct solar, oura ring and apple watch. i kept the apple watch because insurance paid and it seemed more accurate than all the others. i liked the body battery with garmin but it seemed to me that the oura ring was better with recovery info and sleep. garmin was more hit and miss even though i loved the instinct in general. oura was much more consistent for sleep than the others. whoop just seemed to miss with heart rate and that messed with hrv/recovery. i decided against trying whoop 4. oura and apple are plenty.

[@mden2490]

Thanks for the video. I apologize if this was answered already, but the strain score is based on the Borg Scale of Perceived Exertion.

[@Noname-yu8qw]

I'm tired of subscriptions everywhere, not buying for this reason

[@mediapowersolutions]

Plus they will have all of your personal health data.

[@rayanalduhaiman9274]

Very detailed review.. Great job!

[@DesFit]

Thanks!

[@Haider1236]

Can you do an updated review? Quantified scientist has said that whoop have massively upgraded there algorithms for HR?

[@raidthanfl]

Night shift nurse here. I work out a lot, but have shitty sleep. Just ordered this. Hope it can help me

[@matrhein]

Out of curiosity and since it was worth a Desfit review spot, I casually checked the pricing of this piece of tech. Are they nuts? Anyone who is not depending on optimal performance and the features, feedback- app stuff, AND community is likely to be repelled by the price tag. Suddenly my Fenix 7 seems a much cheaper investment with ongoing development, body battery, and an actual frigging smartwatch with a screen on my wrist. Not to mention the better wrist HR, which is the base for all the fancy calculations...

[@treysonmcgrady4750]

Fantastic unbiased review. I’m gonna stick with my Vivoactive but it does seem like this product can be improved to the point it can better compete.

[@joshuanicholson420]

Great review. I was super keen to buy one some months ago but their system to purchase it, just failed to work. I gave up after several attempts and updated to Garmin Fenix 7x, which I've liked - but still see the differences the whoop offer.

[@Stefanialak]

I’ve been on a whoop trial for almost a month and I’ve had a similar experience with recovery and sleep performance. I was really surprised on a morning where I didn’t sleep very well to find that my recovery was at 93%. That just didn’t seem right. Still on the fence about whether this is worth paying for. Appreciate the review!

[@lucarealmuto5416]

Really good video! Plenty of information to digest

[@DesFit]

Thanks!

[@BarryAPage]

Very useful information and well presented. Thanks

[@DesFit]

Glad it was helpful, thanks!

[@justinhankins7253]

Everyone says the heartrate is sortof busted but I am more interested in sleep and recovery. I ordered one for a year lets see what we can learn. thanks for video man.

[@Valentro]

What did u learn??? Is it good?

[@Shrinidhihv]

Very thoughtful and detailed review...

[@DesFit]

Thanks!

[@MD_COLO]

I was an early adopter of Whoop. Their previous hardware was crap… heartrate data was useless. The 4.0 iteration is much better, as well as their updated algorithm. However, I still find that they put too much emphasis on HRV. And, considering that HRV can be affected by so many other factors other than workout strain, such as temperature, illness, alcohol consumption, stress, etc., it’s not ideal for short-term tracking of recovery. Likewise, Whoop do not actually track the stages of sleep that well. A few somnologists have evaluated Whoop, and their results were not that good. Whoop could not accurately detect between REM and deep sleep. Whoop also seem to penalize your recovery score more when you don’t sleep well, but underweight recovery when you get great sleep. And, ironically, going back to bed after waking up or taking naps seem to have more weight on recovery than if you had gotten the same amount of sleep in one sleep session. Whoop’s calculation of strain seems arbitrary. I realize that it’s impossible to measure resistance/load of a workout with a wrist-based sensor, but Whoop calling it “strain score” is misleading. Whoop should change the name to “Cardio Strain” since this seems to be the emphasis of the strain algorithm. This is where Whoop falls short. Putting aside whether one trusts the data they collect from the hardware, their strain, sleep and recovery algorithm just aren’t useful for making daily decisions on how much effort I should put into my workouts on a given day. The Whoop data might be better used in understanding long-term trends (weeks and months). In my experience with Whoop, the data they present through their algorithm, which is what you’re paying a premium subscription to use, is unreliable and useless for daily training decision making.

[@DesFit]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree with you with many of the points you covered.

[@Scott-zt4iq]

Can you provide the “study” that was done, I’d like to read it and newest and the data integrity issues you purport

[@arsenalzm]

What product would you recommend?

[@MD_COLO]

@@Scott-zt4iq I never said “study”, though I do like that you put it in quotes. I said “reviewed”. The only “study” I’m aware of is from the University of Arizona, which was sponsored by Whoop…. So take what you want from that. But, by in large, Whoop was only 50% - 70% accurate at detecting various stages of sleep. And, ~80% accurate at detecting when one falls asleep. Are those acceptable numbers? Compared to other devices that use heart rate and an accelerometer to detect sleep, I suppose it is. But, is the data reliable? Not just from Whoop, but all sleep trackers and/or fitness trackers in general? Reliable and useful data was the point of my original post. And, as stated in my original post, this is my personal experience using whoop and other fitness trackers, as well as the experience of other Whoop users I’ve heard from. So, is the data whoop records reliable? IMO, it’s acceptable. But the bigger question is whether the information derived from that data is useful. IMO, as I said in my original post, it depends. Using Whoop for daily training decisions is a mixed bag. For the most part, it aligns with self reporting. But, there are plenty of occasions where Whoop and my self reporting are polar opposites. Using Whoop for long term trends where one is looking at performance over weeks and months? This is perhaps where Whoop is useful. Is it worth the $30 a month? Again, IMO, it is not. There are plenty of alternative methods to track ones fitness that are much cheaper and just as reliable. Self reporting is free. How do I feel today? Are my muscles sore? Am I struggling to achieve my targets for my intended workout? Was my heat rate suppressed during max efforts? Am I waking up more than usual at night. Am I moody and impatient. These are all indicators of training stress that I can self report just as reliably as Whoop’s strain scope. And for most people that aren’t at the tip of the spear in their sport, self reporting is perfectly adequate to track performance. If you’re a cyclist or multi-sport athlete, Training Peaks can be as cheap as $10/mo. With a proper heart rate monitor and a power meter I have much better data that is far more useful both in tracking daily training input, as well as understanding long tern trends. In general, I find all fitness trackers a novelty. Most people geek out over the data for a period of time. At some point, most people find that the output derived from fitness trackers (Whoop, Oura, Fitbit, etc) to be trivial. Garmin, and other devices in this category, are useful since they track distance, heart rate, as well as receive input from other devices, like power meters, and then upload that data to be processed for training analysis, such as TP. But, even Garmin’s Body Battery is a novelty that most serious athletes ignore. Again, just one persons opinion.

[@MD_COLO]

​@@arsenalzm I don’t recommend any fitness trackers. See my reply to Scott in this thread. What I recommend depends on a number of factors. What sport? How serious of an athlete are you? What are your goals? What’s your budget? And so on. For serious cycling and multi-sport, get a good GPS tracker… wrist based for running, and bar mount for cycling. Then, if your serious about training, get a power meter. Use Training Peaks to track your activities and fitness, as well as understanding the methodology around training for your specific sport. If you still have more budget, find a good coach.

[@aannan3]

great analysis and insight!

[@DesFit]

THanks!

[@mdbourne]

Desfit just so you know, they say you get a free new device when released, but this is rarely true. They make you recommit for another 2 years to do so. I had a few friends that had the 3 and were already subscribers. But to get the 4, they had to recommit and pay varying fees. My one friend had to commit to a new subscription and pay like $80.

[@DesFit]

Doesn’t necessarily seem surprising. Appreciate you sharing!

[@SomeoneBeginingWithI]

4:25 It may be that it's stopping because its overheating? I charge mine when it gets to about 65%, it only needs to charge for about 30 mins and that gets it fully charged, I've never had an issue with it stopping part way. But it does get warm, and I've heard some complaints from people who wait until the battery is actually low to charge it that it gets too hot and burns them.

[@yskandartakchi5723]

The Best review possible! Ty

[@DesFit]

Thanks!

[@CkDiegoo]

Des, I love your reviews but I completely disagree with when you say "not too bad at all". The whole marketing campaign is based on data. If their data is statistically insignificant, which it is, then it's a pointless product imo. Charts are pretty look at, but when heart rates are being measured 10-20% lower consistently (e.g., in weight lifting workouts), it's worrisome. It's clear that there is a design fault due to the inability to adjust to quick heart rate jumps, which then further devalues their whole concept of giving HRV a high score in their algo. HRV is literally dependent on being able to track quick changes in your heart rate, which the product can't do well. All over all -- I think the product has potential and has pretty charts-- but the charts and algo are meaningless when studying them from a scientific point of view.

[@PunjabiCyclist]

Top video and well explained!! 👍👍👍

[@DesFit]

🤙

[@michaelpadilla141]

The price + inability to connect to a much more accurate chest strap for HR measurement was the reason I cancelled my Whoop subscription after trying it out for a few months. Garmin is much better, although the downside there is that the presentation of the data needs to be improved. Nevertheless, Whoop (and Oura) are both massively overpriced for what you're getting, aesthetics and hype aside. I'm now using the Garmin Forerunner 745 with a heart strap and find it great for tracking and assessing my workouts (running, weights, crossfit-like hiit) and sleep.

[@DesFit]

Thanks for sharing your experience. Definitely agree on quite a few points.

[@michaelpadilla141]

@@DesFit Thanks for the comment. I love your reviews...thorough and well produced.

[@michaelpadilla141]

Incidentally, one additional point on Whoop vs Garmin...with Garmin, you have the ability to grow within the same ecosystem to the world of cycling power meters, swimming tracking (underwater HR straps) etc. With Whoop, you're forever stuck where you are and would have to move to a completely new system should your training ever evolve. I got my Garmin Forerunner 745 used, but in mint condition, on EBay for about $250.

[@DesFit]

Another great point you bring up regarding the ecosystem 👍 Thanks!

[@lchumakova]

Great video! I was wondering if you were planning to make a video of comparing several the hrv-centered features across devices: oura's and whoop's recoveries and garmin's "body battery". I understand that you can't quantitatively compare them against smth robust like polar h10 in the case of the HR, but even how you "feel" the suggestions of one are more informative than the other would be useful. I own whoop because it has no screens/etc and the data is presented in an information-dense way. I wish it did something like the body battery for the stress/strain incurred during the day, and gave me access to my data. I wouldn't mind switching to something more accurate once other devices (e.g. garmin) are low profile (no screen, can be worn on the bicep).

[@johanmatthysen9834]

great video and info !

[@robin-mt1sf]

Great reviews as usual . It be awesome if you could compare the whoop 4.0 with polar recovery pro and garmin training load /body battery.

[@DesFit]

I've got a follow-up video where I'll be doing some comparisons. Thanks!

[@niles_stone2742]

@@DesFit can’t wait to see it.

[@robin-mt1sf]

@@DesFit that would be awesome . Can't wait ;)

[@konstantinoschatzitolios8891]

Great review! Thanks a lot. I think I will stick with my Garmin Vivosmart 4 as a whole day tracker and tracking body battery and also my forerrunner 945 for my workouts. I wonder if we will ever see a Vivosmart 5 though?

[@deathcoder]

Companies are heavily trying to push consumers to subscription models. I wish consumers would push back on this.

[@DesFit]

Hopefully this video can help 👍

[@user-qv7rw7dq1d]

I love the fact that I can wear a whoop on my wrist with a skin colored strap and no one can tell I'm wearing anything from a distance. Leaves my dominant wrist free for a nice watch. I hate from other products that for me to get any tracking AT ALL I have to wear some gaudy type of sports watch or slim screen watch replacement that really takes the place of a regular watch. In other words, you can't be into nice watches and be into fitness at the same time. Whoop gets my money because I can still wear any watch I want and not look like douche wearing a mechanical watch on one wrist and digital sports fitness tracker on the other.

[@luismarriot586]

Thanks for the video / review man. Really detailed and thought out. I'm currently rocking a Fitbit Charge 2 (I know, it's shockingly still going). Obviously, I'm looking for a new sports watch and had considered a Whoop until I came across this review. I mostly weight-lift and run 3 - 4 times a week (just a 3k). But due to my crazy work schedule, the sleep factor was attractive. I won't be moving forward with my purchase but if anyone has any suggestions on an investment piece for the next 3 - 5 years would love to hear.

[@djwawa5517]

Fitbit charge 2 is amazing and wish i never switched out of mine 😭

[@RohitSharma-yr7li]

The accuracy of the whoop band is still problematic - so much so, that I probably will not renew my yearly subscription. I have, however, found an easy hack for precise accuracy, especially while running, which is the least accurate of the three sports I do: swimming, cycling, and running. I place the rubber band designed to be worn over the whoop band while swimming, to any time I work out. And the hr data is almost exactly matching my chest strap. Overall, I don’t feel the price justifies the value here anymore. Thanks for your video.

[@michaelrankins717]

I tried WHOOP and it did not work for me. It would randomly say my heart was racing at 215+ while standing still or walking to my car. I would compare the data with the data from my Fenix 5 to ensure I wasn’t dying and my Fenix was reading heart rate 78ish. This happened almost every other week. I let WHOOP know and I was told the shape of my wrist would make it impossible to be able to use the WHOOP. Hmmm.. OK 👌🏾. I sent the band back. Got an Apple Watch series 7 and have not had an issue with heart rate readings.

[@hercegmario8679]

So I have Garmin Fenix 6x Pro and I'm looking for exactly something like whoop. Something to track my sleep (Fenix is uncomfortable to sleep with), give additional health info, status, recovery (that I can compare to Fenix) etc. Just a simple strap not a watch with a screen. I did some research and it also appears in this great review as well that Whoop is something like a Beats By Dre (who knows will know what I meant) so my question is there any alternative to Whoop or that's the best we got?

[@mariusmarius4832]

Excellent video,very well presented, product certainly not worth it for the price. Good honest review.

[@DesFit]

Thank you!

[@jexxy1806]

Love the product, Can't get behind the GIANT monthly cost to use it. If whoop wants to be taken seriously they should sell this device for $100-$150 and remove the monthly subscription or lower it to under $5.

[@emthomas10]

Definitely getting one of these since it’s HSA eligible!

[@bikeinmotion]

10 bucks a month and I might consider it. Also it would be nice if it would be as good as my polar OH1 / verity sense so I could replace it. But since it's not as good as the polar (so I have to keep wearing the polar for good data) and way too expensive it's just not worth it. Make it as expensive as my Trainingpeaks subscription and we're talking :)

[@tedportnay4086]

Great review. I was an early whoop adopter - started w 2.0 and then 3.0. Then moved over to the Garmin ecosystem. Would love to have seen a comparison of how sleeping tracking and readiness score (green, yellow, red) compared w Garmin’s sleep score and body battery. Thanks

[@DesFit]

I have some comparison videos in the works. Thanks!

[@Mr767267]

Great review. I don't prefer the subscription based model but I guess it works for sport professionals.

[@scottleggejr]

I bought it when my fitbit sense died and there's no real repair support for their flagship devices. Whoop's support for the hw is included in the sub so I am using a whoop for fitness/sleep and a smartwatch for smart watch stuff which I take off when I go maniac mode. I'd like to hear about those who have broken a screen on the garmin and what that repair process looks like.

[@4242brvrdbd]

Very helpful! Huge turn off that it drops out of HR tracking periodically.. my Apple Watch is doing the same thing, (se gen2) so I’m on the market… Also I see the strain / recovery model on Strava as well, and I can’t decide if I like it or not.. maybe because it seems so hard to improve the “effort”score.

[@captaincommodore8901]

I think there is a big problem with HRV baseline. If for example you get the device and start off a little sick without noticing it, the baseline the device will calculate is ultimately wrong. Thus the whole recovery score could be quite off.

[@HunterGabriel-e9l]

When using the bicep band try placing the sensor on the inside of your arm it might detect better HR maybe overall since the artery is right there

[@dankspain]

With all these advanced metrics always keep one thing in mind: Garbage in = garbage out. If the HR readings are not accurate I doubt the metrics are any good.

[@MrDomestosWC]

Whoop recently had a big whoop on their subscription fees. Why? Because many people cancelled their memberships after their honeymoon period was over. So to attract more customers they decided to drop their subscription fees. You may find out that in 2 yrs or so their subscription will be slammed by half. Businesses must soon realize that subscription models don’t work that well. People who thought the product was for them cancel in a short period. People who loved the product will stay but not many of them. While if you sell a device with one time profit you benefit from one time buyers, continuous product supports and younger generations entering the social age where your business aim. By rule I don’t pay subscriptions unless it’s a constantly improving product like Netflix with new shows every month.

[@sg2664]

Amazing review! Could you please comment on what it was like to sleep with it on and in that regard how it compared with the comfort of something like an Oura ring? Thank you!

[@SuperDuperCoopster]

Great review - I fully agree with everything you have said. For me, Whoop is worth it because of the gamification of wellness/fitness in which I can compete with my friends. I look forward to seeing my recovery every morning but I know it has its flaws (hardware, price). What wearable do you personally use and believe in now - Garmin? I am very open to trying new wearables. Thank you!

[@johnofavalon1]

It's a big scam. Make sure you slept at least 7 hours a night. Log your sleep with a simple free sleep app. Drink minimum 8 glasses of water upto 16 glasses of water. Eat nutritious food when you are hungry and stop before you are full. You don't need any gadgets and gimmicks.

[@vittoriolabarbera3881]

Could you do a review of the latest whoop 4 firmware update? I love your content btw! ❤

[@jonathanberent3182]

Would be curious what you think of a concept that does something similar, but for the brain / mind - strain, recovery rest.

[@howiehirsch1733]

It seems to me that the Whoop device is functionally more like an Oura ring that’s worn on the wrist rather than a smartwatch. I was wondering how it’s features and accuracy compare with the Oura ring. I’d love to see you compare these two devices.

[@DesFit]

I'll see what I can do when Oura finally releases their new algorithms and functions (hopefully mid this year?) Thanks

[@megiMove]

I just got mine. Very disappointed that i can't have it on my right arm where i have tattoos. The sensor doesn't work if you have tattoos. So i have to use my garmin on my right since it has no problem getting a reading. Hope they will fix it in the future

[@TheBrendNew]

I don't think I can afford WHOOP, however I really like that it is a stylish band and not a "smart watch". Are there any cheaper alternatives that keep the style and also help with fitness and health?

[@frankconte264]

If garmin could come out with a band that can be worn during the night because wearing the fenix series watches at night bug the crap out of me

[@thewildman4300]

any chance you could compare athletic to whoop? I love the apple watch and have tried both the whoop and athlytic and see that the numbers i get are close enough for me to not want to pay for the whoop.

[@Delta1296pt2]

That subscription kills it for me

[@David-ic4by]

Very simply, this is for people who train every single day or even more than once a day. If you don’t train every day, the thing is unnecessary. Oh, and on the sleep coaching? Don’t drink caffeine after 3 PM and don’t do screen time in bed. You’re welcome.

[@Haider1236]

Amazing video. Could you do a review on the xiamoi S1 active? Would love to see that.

[@bh9262]

I wish you could track your blood sugar levels with Whoop, or a modified version of Whoop. That would be a nice all-in-one health tracker.

[@lewdude2k8]

No chance at the moment unfortunately as good as it would be. Need CGM or needle probably take years for an accurate reading from a watch for blood sugar. If whoop pull that off in the 5.0 then it will be the biggest selling watch of all time probably even overtaking Apple Watch sales

[@kacperjedlinski2039]

Can you connect Garmin/ Strava apps to whoop app?

[@RC-gd7nt]

I’m getting one for my 47th bday in a few weeks and can’t wait! I guess that’s when you know you’re getting old 😂

[@brandonspence396]

Love the review, made me consider the opportunity cost of getting this device. Thank you for being very informative! Might consider grabbing this as I prefer the low profile data collection on the bicep. Does anyone else have any alternatives they know of that can meet this?

[@ADVRaiderKTM]

How is it different/better than my Apple Watch 7. It seems that Apple Watch, with a combo of native apps and Strava, allow me to get the same exact metric tracking as Whoop. AW also provides significantly more functionality than Whoop

[@txelmore]

I’m no scientist, but it would seem to me that if all their data is derived from heart rate and heart rate is the least effective measuring tool they have; I must ask if all other measurements are off as well? I’m just questioning.

[@johnswiderski1494]

Great video.

[@DesFit]

Thanks!

[@thesmartsnake]

Wonderful video! I have whoop for a week now! I have had a Fenix 6x solar for the past 2 years now! I wanted to upgrade to the 7 but said let me try something else. from my 1 week's use of whoop I just think it completes my Garmin in the recovery part! also, HR readings are a 1 beat difference between my F6 and whoop 4.0. I like that whoop detects naps. I like the sleep part of it. Garmin's body battery is good sometimes but I still like the part where whoop tells you to go to sleep at a particular time!

[@tyronesnz]

just want to point out that we shouldnt give kudos for support doing their job while the company falsely advertises the battery life..