Desha or Darshana- The Meaning of India

Makarand Paranjape in conversation with Swapan Dasgupta, Bibek Debroy and Pavithra Srinivasan.

[@ashishk3523]

Makrand Sir is so child like yet genius. The way he was nodding his head throughout just shows how humble he is and also a lifetime student. No wonder he is such an intellectual giant!

[@ambat79]

I am left with a deep angst about not being able to start early about our culture because of the education we have been given. I think this is the greatest crime of the commies against india.

[@abhikchaurasia2264]

We need to know the world culture

[@abhikchaurasia2264]

And not what we feel

[@frankjackal]

Nehru and the Gandhis must account for this crime..

[@sutradhar7568]

I think revival of Bharat is going to happen but it will require very very hard work. We have fallen so much. The panel discussion was very inspiring and enlightening. Please upload more videos. Namaskar🙏

[@soumendraphukan2679]

Your Landlord wow you have a great colonial mindset . Totally disgusting . No nationalist but you think like that.

[@sutradhar7568]

@UC4tUz0ZczkPQ6ub4ZbqsmDg I'm am bengali but more than that I'm a Product of this land Bharat. You trying to divide us is not going to happen today. Remember Netaji Bose, Shyama prasad Mukherjee, Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay along with other leaders from various ethnicities has defended and offended Jihadis like you. Nice try but not going to work.

[@skanda7506]

The Bharatnatyam practitioner made the concept much more sensible, emotionally attractive and moving.

[@manmathsinghdeo5220]

I agree...

[@jigggro]

Here here.

[@latashenava9400]

Bibek Dibroyji, in gratitude for your 'divine' insights! you make me proud to be a Bharatiya! Magisterial manner, Makarand put is perfectly!

[@SuperAdobeFlash]

This discussion is at a totally different level. Left Loonies will never be able to comprehend

[@rambhaiyadav464]

I agree with your first part. It was at a different level. Vivekji and Pavithraji made it awesome.

[@rambhaiyadav464]

Also, I have read Swapan Dasguptaji regularly on Sundays. Indeed, I eagerly await his article. And when it is missing, I feel that Sunday is a waste. He has an uncanny knack of putting into words those thoughts and feelings which I feel but unable to express. A real intellectual.

[@prejithpreman563]

INDIA is Transforming to BHARAT....

[@manmathsinghdeo5220]

@@rambhaiyadav464 he is an intellectual for most racists in india..

[@abhikchaurasia2264]

And right loonies are taking themselves to different levels of humanitism

[@jatinderbhan]

Awesome session! Much to learn from it. Mr. Dasgupta mildly admonishes the lady who asks a question as to why we are taught Oedipus and not Indian classic texts. While I agree with Mr. Dasgupta in that we should not close down the borders of knowledge. Let knowledge flow from all sides and let us enrich ourselves thus, but, I don't see why we cannot use our own literature as the primary source to study. We could always enrich ourselves by studying all the great poets, writers and philosophers from all other traditions. So far, since independence, we have willfully excluded the study of our own great texts. I am assuming that was the thrust of the lady's question. Also, loved Prof. Paranjpe's concluding remarks. All in all, time well spent!!

[@ASHISHMISHRA-vd7ct]

Highly enriching discussions!😊 Eye opening observations by Mr vivek da , swapan da and pavitraa ji😊! Real intellectuals of bharat😊.

[@yashwanthkumar5081]

Pavitra garu, loved your talk. 🙏🙏

[@daveasheesh1011]

Such a pleasant experience for eyes, ears, mind and heart. Great intellectuals , who are proud of their nation, on the dais all together. A very rare sight. Thanks a lot to the organizers.

[@shaileshpkem80]

so blessed to listen to the bharat Natyam teacher.... Great!!!!

[@adithyavasudevan4036]

The look of wonder of Shri Paranjpe's visage as he listens with rapt attention to Swapan Da expound on the subject of the idea of India. Priceless!

[@vishranthshetty8887]

This is how literary fest Shud b .

[@SAGAR-qo3gf]

My humble gratitude to all the dignitaries , their wisdom n knowledge.... professor Markhand always inspires me up with his clarity n guts..

[@abhimanyudharma21]

Infact the girl in the end asked a very pertinent question? Indians are most of the time being made to study the western literature... In reality how many of us know about Amrapali? India ko toh jaanne nahi diya aur adhyadhan karna chaha toh chauvinist kaha se kahalaye?? What about Kaalidas??

[@harishkiran3663]

How many have learned the Upanishads or Darshanas! Leave alone the arts, how many know Bhoja Raja or Shankara!

[@nilendusen]

But who has stopped you from learning about them? Would the Vedas and Upanishads sink into young minds? Or the poetry of Kalidasa? Should I come and teach your child Abhigana Shakuntalam or Kumar Sambhava? These are education that we choose as we roll along towards specialisations!

[@bhramitaatma6026]

TALK ABOUT learning upanishads .....most of us dont even know how many upanishads are or what are upanishads

[@balbhattfromthirdofsevenof7496]

​@@nilendusen Same question can be asked to you , who has stopped you from reading western lit. why not build the foundation of Indian Lit in Indian consciousness in classroom itself, than debate about Idea of india in lit fest after 70 yrs of independence. can't see the wood for the trees ??????????????? Also when country even has failed to provide education for all ... and don't forget we feed children at school forget about buying books and reading in HYPOTHETICAL free time. Swapan Dasgupta if you can understand Yoga you will not talk nonsense researching yoga is not writing books in english or lectures in foreign language. It was yog living and aspiring for union with almighty. also you should know how third generation of Iyengars and Pattabhi Jois and Krishnamacharya are talking it forward. It is art to be practised and science to effect body not verbal diarrhea in preserved in books.

[@adithyavasudevan4036]

I can safely assure you, in no other corner of the world is this exalted subject under discussion. Our love for the self is boundless.

[@bharatirawte8153]

Makrandji, u r a very different level individual. Highly learned & well versed with d nuances & d various shades of our beloved country Bharat. After listening to ur discourses, I really became interested in knowing more on Bharat. I feel fortunate to have come across such eminent personalities who r paving a way into our traditions & our culture which was lost for a long time. I appreciate d effort taken by Makrandji & many others.

[@sunilsachdeva1839]

Swapan Da it is important to know first who you are, as Bibek Da says, before you venture to know others. So define your self first in terms of your identity knowing your literature, heritage, cultural, social, political, economic and in terms of your being born on this land your Dharma so that you can understand others in contextually well. It should be not that you read Keats and then say what else, rather it should be read Kalidas and say what else.

[@jyotivyas9286]

Om Shaantih.. Shaantih.. Shaantih..🔥🔥🔥🙏🇮🇳🍃🇮🇳💓...!! 🐦

[@swatidas3467]

Jyoti Vyas 🙏🏼🙏🏼...😂

[@harishkiran3663]

JNU needs such sessions!

[@Garrry]

Pavitra JI! I loved this.

[@jyotivyas9286]

Mata Pavitra. Pranaam 🙏🤝🙏🤝🙏🤝☝️☝️☝️🌻🌹🌹🌹🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 Vandae Mataram!!

[@shaileshpkem80]

Delight to watch and listen to you all..... Many Thanks!! Best wishes....

[@naren-ig5mj]

It's been a great experience listening to this panel discussion even after such a long time. It's great to pit Darshana against Philosophy and Professor Paranjape rightly pointed out the futility to critique the panelists' use of English as the medium of discussion. For was not Aurobindo a classical scholar? It reminded me that Vivekananda thought some of his Western disciples very much able to take Vedantic lessons. Can we afford to forget the contributions of Sister Nibedita? The Western/Eastern dichotomy is a colonial construct. Vivekananda rightly enough thought that Western Philosophy is but a shadow of the Eastern. Recently, Pierre Hadot, a French philosopher, showed that Ancient Greek and Pagan philosophers did not understand by the idea of philosophy intellectual discourse, but spiritual exercise. They also had had the Gurukulas. The triumph of Hinduism will lie in teaching the world about this spiritual quest for truth which is what philosophy is all about. Ekam Sat Vipra Vahudha Vadanti. But Vivekananda had also entered a caveat well paid heed to by Gandhi. Make first your masses educated and happy. Otherwise there can be rebellions a la chinois! One is no more a Dharmika if even a single person goes without food. This is the ancient Idea of Lokakalyana which has been uniquely noticed to be there in the the recent research on the Indus Sarasvati culture, not to speak of the later Hindu- Buddhist cultures which centred round the ideas of Dharma and Lokehita.

[@plum2600]

Sir Makarand seems to have a deep respect for Mr.Dasgupta as he almost agrees to every word and reflecting on it

[@yogeshmishra3320]

He is man of great poise, the much I have seen him he behaves humble most f the times, always ready to listen and learn. Well it's coz when Swapan das is speaking he is in frame rest he behaves same; nodding, listening and humble.

[@shivashakthi1918]

Simply WOW..thank you for this experience.

[@adithyavasudevan4036]

Are the Ahoms the longest surviving dynasty, or is it the Cholas? Bibek Debroy was just mindblowing. The man is indeed a living treasure as Makarand ji was saying. Such erudition.

[@koshalbishi4133]

Very institutionalised session. Awesome and wish more such enlightening session will come in coming days.

[@jyotivyas9286]

Swapan Das Gupta After 45 minutes... Watch Please Mere Priy Bhartiy Mitra ....🔥🔥🔥🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🏜️🏜️🏜️🐦

[@bhargava_3899]

You are kidding right?

[@rehaankmr]

This is the first time I heard ms pavithra speaking and let me tell you that at first I was skeptical of her that what will she speak but she spoke so wonderfully about bharat that it can't be expressed in words, it would be really wonderful if she gets to speak more and elaborate on bharat

[@swatigembali984]

It's always insightful,delightful,and enriching experience experience to listen to these great thinkers .Thank you Makrand ji and Vivek ji .

[@rameshadwant]

Reviving that quintessential sense of service to all without a thought of returns has to be our focus now to tell the humanity the true purpose of life. It is not easy to do this but the effort should continue.

[@balijepalliramakrishna7867]

Namaskar Pavitra. You very politely told the classic Idea of India, without getting into controversy. It is up to people to understand inner meaning. I somehow couldn't understand what Mr. Gupta is trying to convey, may be my ingorance, but not impressed.

[@jagdishchandrapant1605]

It was a great aesthetic and near spiritual experience to view this video of panel discussion within the PLF, with a distinguished panel of enlightened scholars and practitioners of Sanatan Dharm, exquisitely conducted by Professor Makarand Paranjape.

[@krithinpaturi7708]

in this panel Swapan ji is left of Right

[@viveksawant548]

India is going to become India now after so many years. Good work done from you for future generations.

[@123lenu]

Such a spirited session. When best mind come together like this, Bharat will rise again. Glad to come across this video.

[@rsconsultants09]

i never knew bharatnatyam is so deep... mind blowing....... Which western dance is like this? what humbleness.....

[@sunilsachdeva1839]

Very well concluded. Excellent.

[@yashwanthkumar5081]

Such enlightening this talk was

[@ankithooda1536]

Like nietzsche's view on truth, we can say, you may have your idea of india, i have my idea of india, but for one idea of india, the idea, only idea, it doesn't exist.

[@TheSayanto]

This is the best of Pondy Lit Fest, leaves us a feeling of Dharma, oneness and the majesty of the Indian spirit, or as Pavithra Srinivasan said - With both Darshan and Desha of the Mighty Bharatiya Samskriti!

[@sd3007]

Excellent session!

[@jyotivyas9286]

Hmm!! True. Very True!! Maa Pavitra is much greater... Than Intelligent Paranjpae Sir!! 😁😀... But Now Stree can Uplift This VeryBharat with Her 💓👁️👁️ Heart . Let Us All Master The Heart Over mind. ... Now...This Is What Our Greater Mystic and Santt Osho says and Teaches. . Thank you So Much ... My Dearest Respectful Beloved Master Of Masters Oshhhhoo. 😋😋😋😍😍😍😘😘😘

[@aakashjadhav864]

Very good Discussion. Great Video.

[@guruduttnj]

Very insightful

[@jyotivyas9286]

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[@Smartone24]

Excellent discussion 🙏🏼. Jaihind. Need to recapture the minds of young india that has gone Western confused crazy

[@magnified4827]

Why do you want someone else to understand it ? I really dont understand that undercurrent of rage and anger in ppl like you. This session was for ppl who are interested in these things hence if you feel this is your area or domain of interest you can willingly pursue it to the ends of this earth. Why do you want others to follow you ? Nobody has gone "Western" they are just living a social experience which I feel is unoriginal in all its sense.... Even the "Western" traditions were mocked by western hippies at one point of time. Hence lets not stick to this eastern/ western perceptions. THEY ARE JUST COCOONS !

[@prabhudeva2968]

really a well planned literary fest. this is the true litfest I seen recent days.

[@nationfirst1896]

One nation one name.i.e Bharat

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[@saligramvishwanath1]

Was Chanakya forgotten or only his Arthashastra unavailable? Wasn't Chanakya very much known? Murarakshasa and other works were always Samskrit classics.. If SwapanDa meant Arthashastra as a text was rediscovered 100 years back then agree. Would be happy to be corrected.

[@RohitSharma-mi8gt]

A discussion on the idea of India and Savarkar and Gandhi not even mentioned ! Wow

[@jyotivyas9286]

22.00.. minutes.. 🤝🔥

[@sanjivpatil582]

Excellent 👍👍

[@adityajain2227]

Listen from 28:00 you will be amazed to listen..

[@KonarkB]

52:43 Why was sound muted?

[@Your-Public-Domain]

Thanks to 2014 General elections i turned to the Right wing of this nation

[@jyotivyas9286]

Very Graceful 👍✌️🇮🇳🤝🌫️🌊💕🔥🌾🙏🌹💓🏜️🍃🍃🍃Osho.🏜️💓🙏🔥..!! 🐦

[@darbhas]

The best take way from the session is from Bibek - when he said DO NOT READ QUARTER SLOKAS and go into analysis paralysis.... So frickinfly true and yet so many intellectuals.like Swapan do not see the need to do so, as clearly evident in his bias towards Western interpretations..He is the type that gives respectability and by implication a safe and sound career, to people like Wendy Doniger that write absolute trash about Ancient India just because they can..

[@abhikchaurasia2264]

I hope he knew tha rasanubhawa adequately. I wonder when he was 18 without a job and the hopelessness that now a days are is virus, may end him up like ours

[@aatmakeawaaz6404]

I remember the debate which used to happen in ndtv between Swapan and the idiot mani Shankar and every time the rigged result would let mani Shankar win. Finally he has the platform to speak out his mind and share his wisdom

[@NewBeginning2020]

Thr are and thr should be different and diverse ideas of india, but that doesnt mean anything goes. Bullshit has to be called out, irrespective of whr it comes from.

[@manmathsinghdeo5220]

Well said....i totally agree

[@priyavarttomar5042]

Need one more birth to understand actually wht they are talking about,,,they r too learnt and deep

[@aparnaseetharam9565]

Any idea how much of this discussion would Rahul Gandhi (the Indian YOUTH icon ) or Sonia Gandhi understand?!!!

[@shambhupratap4119]

He will leave earth with escape velocity of jupitr after attending such sessions...

[@DilipSadh]

Is there way to find 18 folks who did not liked this discussion? 😃

[@harishkiran3663]

Dharma

[@venkataramamuthuswami]

Pity none of these PLF has any idea of the greatness of Subramania Bharati who lived in Pondy and who could think and speak in many Indian foreign languages like any great person from North of Vindhyas..

[@darbhas]

The session's winner clearly is BIBEK DEB ROY. I knew him to be a very witty person for a long time but never had any clue of his Sanskrit and Sanskaar OR his deep but concise, piercing but soft rebuttal.of Swapan, using questions about the Self. The knowledge, experience and education of every other panelist, specifically Swapan, looked PUNY. SWAPAN was very very petty in trying to put down any question from.anyone criticising Western influence and it's bastardization of our public intellectualism. The last young lady who asked that question on Oedipus was not, by any measure, suggesting a "close mindedness". She was only trying to question why the authorities that be (read Lutyens Delhi Liberals) decided our textbooks to be as such and why is it we are not changing that?? By any stretch of imagination, that was a fair question. SWAPAN got carried away...

[@sujoyghosh5491]

Problem with every intellectual whether left or right is that they obtain their bachelor's degree in india and salivate to get into some western universities, secure a place to live and earn there, holds an OCI card....comes to india, points out many many many problems in india and indians...preaches their propaganda whether left or right and again fly back to USA. And that's why we lack so much in innovation which india needs today....naki puranas and Vedas.

[@jitukhatrik]

why is Prof drinking copious amount of water...😀😀

[@MrRaghavann]

Copious??🤣🤣🤣

[@praveenrai6965]

It is very difficult to listen to Swapan Dasgupta. I find him utterly confused, even though, he tries to use verbal jugglery to mask his confusion. His ignorance of glorious Indic civilization & profound traditional knowledge systems makes him praise it in passing with such incoherence that he is dying to get back to "ah, that does not mean we should reject Wendy Doniger, we should not reject great Western classical traditions" etc. But no one is talking about rejecting them. He tries his best not to understand the questioner's objective. It is naive to think that Indian rejects anything, least of all what comes from the west. In fact, Indians are way too enamored with everything Western. The question is about "why there is no insistence on teaching our children our civilizational achievements and instead there is plenty of exposure to Shakespeare, Greek classics and history of English royalty?" He just doesn't seem to grasp what Bibek ji or Pavitra ji are saying. Is it naivete or plain indifference & lack of effort to gain deeper understanding from the right sources? While he is a right wing intellectual, he still comes across as a colonized mind. There is dharmic framework that let's us see the world differently from a Western framework. It is through that lens, within the context of our civilizational values that we need to absorb what comes from the West or anywhere else. If not, we only have confusion and dysfunctional political systems, economy, educational system and all else. Listen to Bibek ji and Pavitra ji who so beautifully expressed her idea of India through the medium of dance!

[@mahakmadhu7970]

Swapan Dasgupta wants to be accepted by the left intellectuals as well. So he keeps himself vague and as confused as the lefts are.

[@darbhas]

Good observation Mr.Praveen I had similar view about Swapan.. There is a "reinvention of intellectual colonialism" that is happening in India right now..in fact most of those who are disgusted with Left Wing limp dick "idea of India" narrative have gone ahead with this realignment, slowly replacing the earlier intellectual landlords with themselves... So now there is a RIGHT WING BLEEDING HEART LiBERAL clique forming with the EXACT same STRUCTURE of that of the Left wing. Rajeev Desai, Gurucharan Das, Swapan, Tavleen Singh, Anupam Kher, Vivek Agnihotri, Kanchan Gupta, Makrand, etc.etc. are fighting the intellectual terror of the Left Liberals but are clearly in danger of reinventing the same narrative. P.S Bibek Deb Roy did.not come out sounding like the others (English educated even though he is speaking in English) so I did not think he was in that clique.

[@abhishekkhandelwal3582]

Swapan Das is very much a colonised mind and his association is more to political right than the whole indian right with Bhava and Sanskar. So in a sense, he is right wing person with colonised sanskara. Makrand is indian both in Sanskara and practice. We need more Indians like him.

[@neelamtandon9366]

I should love these Hindu Bengali intellectuals or otherwise. The rise of Mamta Didi and continuous import of Muslims from Bangladesh is very emboldening for liberal secular activists. The clamour for Bangla name now means a grander bigger muslim Pakistan on our eastern front.This blah blah is only designed for freebies in government aided institutions of & by Sickular India. Good luck being modern Indians

[@panditji8152]

Leave the left

[@koul09876]

Everything is Great here..but Arjuna disease is still same..Too much of philosophy // intellect may not serve purpose.

[@darbhas]

It takes ONLY a person with the knowledge of not just the GROSS but also the SUBTLE and the CAUSAL aspects of existence to know really why the BHARATEEYA systems are the way they are... SWAPAN and his ilk have no attitude as well as aptitude to appreciate the above so they go on making half assed efforts to criticise why we as a race were poor "documentors" or why he takes Al BERUNI seriously... Oral traditions have made sure divine, esoteric knowledge of the Vedas and the Upanishads is STILL around.. It's NOT some printing press that did it for us..even today any effort to take away the SOUND/ORAL /Guru -Shishya parampara Way of learning and replace it with books, is causing complete breakdown in the mastery of those great works. I know this because I study the Rgveda with young kids and they are losing what the Guru is reciting when they concentrate more.on what's in the text.

[@AIPC_News]

Topic, "meaning of Bhaarat" hota toh jyada justified hota. Sindh, Punjab, Bengal (Bangladesh) mein native Sanatan ka genocide kara kar aur Bhaarat mein natives ke Human Rights violation ke baad agar ye bhi nahi toh kya tribute doge apne forefathers ko. british studges aur sepoy ho jo India bolte ho jaise british looters ko Bhaarat naam ka pata he nahi tha. stop playing white skin inferioirty complex. khud ke log jaichando ki tarah harkat karte hain. Ye wo mandbuddhi hain jinko apne forefathers ka nahi pata lekin jinko kisi outsider ke dwara likhi passage of India bataati hai ki India kya hai. I mean WTF? Aur english mein baat karne ki koi jarrurat nahi. Bhaarat ko connect karne ke liye outsider looter language khud mein congress ke blunders mein se ek hai. cheen ka model dekho. They know who they are. Iss panel ke bahut se mandbuddhi sach mein sochte hain ki democracy se pehle Bhaarat ka koi model he nahi tha democractic jahaan kisi ne kiski ko invade nahi kiya aur jahaan propserity aaj ke gdp mein world ki 25% thi. Pehla alloy jahaan Ashokan Pillar ke roop mein khada hai wahaan ye log outsiders ke gulaam hain aaj bhi. koi gauri ko dhund raha aur koi british ki chaat raha. Matlab bikul khaali. Kaise intellect hain? AntiBhaarat, antiForefathers. Bhaarat ko foreign lens se dekhkar chilaate hain english accent mein dalit aur caste system. I mean WTF? mein germany rehta hu. Yahaan ki society bhi service based thi. Jo gha banaate the wo they bauer, jo ek sirname hai germany mein. Jo shoes banaate the wo the shuhmacher, jo ek sirname hai. Aise he Varnas ko defame karne mein jo jaichando ne foriegn sepoy bankar apne forefathers ko cheat kiya wo history mein record ho gaya hai. All varnas were equal based on who you are. Bhramins have to do with educated gurus and qualified people, Kshatriyas were warriors and region saviors, Sudras were architect and management guys, Vashiyas were business people who make weapons and engaged in barter system. now biritsh and muslim looters, invaders, outsiders, occupiers not only did successful propaganda against Bhramins but feed poor Bhaaratiya through missonaries that you are poor because of some oppression where in reality is the entire world see oppression but the oppression is between wealthy and poor and is entirely financial based and have nothing to do with prsonal discrimination. Otherwise Bhaarat would not have been the most diverse country in the world. But tribal looters cannot digest wealthy Bhaarat and to justify their loot they need to coin some propaganda. So they appointed sepoys like ram mohan roy, ahmed khan, gandhi, malala, middle east appointment which goes till now and this a pattern to first inject the disease and than come and say well we have the cure. This is how western imperialist looters worked. Not only Bhaarat but whereever these looters went like Brazil or america etc they created divide in society. Other than Bhaarat these looters wiped out the natives of the land. realizing this we have such panels who do not wish to refer to Bhaarat. aur ishi Bhaarat mein ab court mein ye cases jaate hain ki kya Ram Mandir ban na chahiye ya nahi. If Sanatan Hindus won't take the gun and demolish sold out courts who give verdict on gay that they can fuck any hole they see and can fuck any animal before chopping it before serving it into supermarket in plastic packs. but same sold out court is silent on issues like Ram Temple. Its utter #shame. #shame of being born in such place who didn't look after the native religion where that religion was born.

[@dsen7855]

Communists hate it, that's why they disliked it.

[@bhargava_3899]

Anglopile swapan dasgupta salivating over the worthiness and superiority of English and giving Gyan to the public is such a shame. And this traitor is representing bjp in rajya saba? No wonder modi's last 5 years is such a lack lustre performance thanks to these self defeating advisers.

[@latashenava9400]

Not just swapanji, see that in a lot of the Brit sepoy Right Wing brigade. Thiugh individually brilliant, Abs clueless about Bharats itihasa, trumpeting East India company's history & fabricated theories. Paranjape & Tarek fateh two of the many examples

[@abhishekkhandelwal3582]

@@latashenava9400 Your assessment of Pranjape is incorrect. He is a Sanatani both in Sanskara and Karma. What makes you think that he is a British Sepoy?

[@NewBeginning2020]

India as a nation slowly started forming into existence in the second half of the 19th century. It is during this time that poets started writing patriotic songs and thr was a lot of literature dedicated for the cause of the freedom struggle. Was thr any prolific literature for india’s independence when the mughals attacked our country? No. Because thr was no country at that time. Thr was no country and therefore no patriotism and therefore no literature. The indian peninsula was a thriving civilisation since thousands of years but we were not a nation and thr was definitely no consciousness of nationhood before the 1850’s.

[@NewBeginning2020]

lzydwg Arey. U say Nationhood is a modern phenomenon but India was a Civilizational Nation since ages. Thts contradictory. What is the difference between a Nation State and Civilizational Nation?!

[@NewBeginning2020]

lzydwg It is mighty convenient of you now to call this ancient civilization or group of intermingling ancient civilizations as a Nation in hindsight. I agree that the indian peninsula had thriving civilizations for centuries but to call them a single sovereign Nation that was attacked by the Mughals is totally false. Mughals entered the indian peninsula and plundered it and then settled upon it. But the mughals did not commit any crime against Indians because india was not in existence at that time.

[@NewBeginning2020]

The mughals committed horrible atrocities against the hindus. But guess what, hindu is not synonymous with India and therefore any atrocities committed against hindu’s before 1800’s cannot be considered as atrocities against India. In 1850 we consciously began to form a Nation State that included all religions. So India does not belong to the Hindus alone. Now i agree Islam is a bad influence but we have to deal with it within the constitution and not make up false history for it.

[@NewBeginning2020]

lzydwg And thus we come to the final point of our discussion. If india belongs to the Hindu’s then ppl like u r challenging the constitution without even realizing it. We agree on majority of the issues but i m afraid the small differences in our POV makes a huge difference to the constitutional fabric of this nation.

[@darbhas]

Mr. DESHPANDE The concept of nation as a homeland existed even during Ramayana days...Lord Ram, upon killing Ravana and giving away Lanka to Vibhishana, said "Apee Swarnamayi Lanka, Na Tu Maam, Lakshmana, Rochate..Janani Janma Bhoomischa Swargaadapi Gareeyasi" "This land of Gold, Lanka, does not impress me the least, Oh Laxmana. MOTHER and MOTHERLAND are more honourable than Heavens..." You are.making cogent points outside of this post but have not bothered to check that the words HINDU and INDIA are the same...atleast the ones that coined them saw them as GEOGRAPHIC / TERRITORIAL entities and NOT ETHNIC or RELIGIOUS entities...

[@NewBeginning2020]

So does bibek debroy mean to say that any view about the idea of india which is not spiritual is just simplistic and inadequate?!! That is why an atheist/nonbeliever should have been a panel member for this sort of a discussion.

[@versatiletheone2835]

LEFTIST spotted

[@bt2gr8k72]

Go to China.

[@versatiletheone2835]

@Prabodhani Barber atheism is something..which may have been originated in India...out of 6 Hindu school of thoughts ...2 are Atheist and do not believe in God. and that's I believe is the beauty of Sanatan Dharma...I too am an Atheist but also a proud Hindu...But altogether a Bharatiya FIRST..

[@darbhas]

@@versatiletheone2835 The ATHEISM of BHARAT and the BHARATEEYAS is one that does NOT ACCEPT Vedas as ultimate authority... It's very unlike that of the Western world. YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE in the existence of a GOD or Supreme Force and that does NOT make you an atheist in India but if you don't consider Vaidika Dharma as Ultimate Authority, then you are an atheist... Buddhism is Atheist (Naasthika) and Jainism is Semi-atheist. And just because these are Atheist religions, no one EVER discriminated or even worse persecuted them. They were intellectually challenged and defeated fairly and squarely.

[@magnified4827]

@Prabodhani Barber Please tell that the Charavakas of ancient India.

[@naveenchandra672]

Swapan Das Gupta doe snot understand that Kalidasa is sacrificed for Shakespeare, Vyas for Iliad so on and so forth. He shows how colonized his mind is. I would never send any one to him to be taught. India should valorize its literature first before you read any thing else. Damn this false intellectual to eternity.

[@ritajha7302]

Sanskrit is too difficult to learn for the masses need Hindi as the lingua Franca

[@jyotivyas9286]

Rita Jha Read and Learn prominent Strotras and Sholks.. than. Do not be Ignorant ..!! Initiate....!! And Be Intelligent learn Intelligence ..

[@swamyrani4944]

Mam Sanskrit is very easy to learn . I went to one month language course . So please try to learn first . Brouse Sanskruta bharati . Online course also available .

[@NewBeginning2020]

Imagine how creepy it would be if every indian starts to believe and behave on the basis of pavithra srinivasan’s idea of india.

[@austin426512]

bharat deshpande looks like you have some agenda against her with repeated comments.

[@sankarb1967]

Not creepy but a very scientific view.The world we see is not material but is consious experience .The way to gain this insight is embedded in our art,temple,music and even in our cuisine.

[@NewBeginning2020]

The belief that people like pavithra srinivasan have anything substantial to say about the meaning of India, makes intellectuals like makarand paranjape look like idiots. Can anyone point out exactly what significant point has she made in this discussion?!

[@mahakmadhu7970]

You need to feel it. Not everything needs an interpretation. If you haven't felt it, then idea of India is meaningless for you.

[@NewBeginning2020]

Mahak Madhu So how should i begin to feel it??! Should i buy a map of india, place it in front of me and start feeling it?!

[@mahakmadhu7970]

Something which is not felt by you then u better ignore it. I am.no sadhguru to teach you the technique.

[@NewBeginning2020]

Mahak Madhu Gladly ignored.

[@austin426512]

bharat deshpande I learnt something new, didn't you?

[@akashbavishi6615]

I will call this 3 intellectuals as modern orientalist ,they might hve wit and belief in ancient bt till how many years we will cry for our better ancient and cry on nehruvian history and leftist ,also Constitution's importance was missing in all intellectuals talk ,it seems rightist propaganda more than intellectuals discussion as critics of this person were missing in panel,also debroy's response on varna system was as if trying to hide the truth inside

[@RajeevSingh-zj9il]

nation is sacred, it exists in heart not just a piece of land..here our forefathers have lived and died..constitution can be amended as was done by Indira Gandhi with 2/3rd majority..constitution is for nation not otherwise..

[@abhimanyudharma21]

Constitution is already a part of our daily lives... Ancient past History can't be forgotten just like that? People of India don't even remember the freedom struggle movement it seems to be the case today? How much do we know about Bankim Chandra, Sri Aurobindo or others? Read the articles written by those freedom fighters who loved Bharathdesh perhaps more than Gandhi and Nehru!!

[@rambhaiyadav464]

Where does constitution come into picture?