Suicide and Salvation

Ask Pastor John
Episode: 352
Transcript: www.desiringgo...

[@newyorknight]

When I was 15, I hit rock bottom in my mind. I can still remember kneeling by my bed with the knife close to me,ready to commit the act. I cried out to the Lord,and He came to me! I will be 46 next week,and still moving forward in the Lord Jesus. Take courage everyone,the Lord is only a prayer away.

[@baljeettjinder2262]

J D Amen 🙏

[@lumikki04]

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@alil6547]

If you’re saved you go to heaven no matter what. If you’re homosexual or even struggle with something else like depression, but still saved, nothing can separate you from God. My question is, if God works everything in this world for the good of the believer, how is it that he suicides I thought all things worked together for good? Didn’t that end up badly? Or am I missing something?

[@user-mk4jg9hr7u]

Hello, I am asking a question as a person who is in desperate need of an encounter with God. How did God come to you when you were 15 years old?

[@newyorknight]

@@user-mk4jg9hr7u Romans 5:3-5

[@thehardertheyfall2702]

Can you please pray for me I'm suicidal and I'm a Christian and it hurts everyday.

[@julianareed6316]

Rachel Martin Praying. I've been there very recently.

[@henrychannn]

Seasons of darkness may loom for a while, keep fighting the good fight, trust in the truth of Jesus Christ and goodness of God.

[@juliemorrow174]

just did and will do

[@mitchellwinks4280]

Hi Rachel my email is [e-mail] please if you feel comfortable in sharing what's happened to push you to this point let me know, praying for you Rach thanks for being so open and reaching out on this page... Psalm 31vs7 You have known my soul in adversities- He sees you Rach, your pain is real and He is right there. May the comfort of the Holy Spirit be with you. Holy Spirit bring your comfort, strength and rest now, thankyou Holy Spirit,,

[@hisservants8003]

Praying for you right now! Please remember tomorrow or the next day can look completely different! Find a trusted Christian counselor. May God comfort you!

[@MarzyChrista1212]

John I agree with you. A Christian CAN die by suicide in a moment of despair. I have been in the heat of that moment, but God stopped the gun from firing. In my chaotic mind, I heard His still small voice that drowned out the others going on in my head saying simply, “Traci.” And then I heard my children crying outside my bedroom door. It happens. I thank you for this message. And pray Holy Spirit use it to draw those afflicted into the light of truth where the lies are causing havoc.

[@damianwhite9058]

Thank you for sharing that. You are very brave and I wish you well

[@baljeettjinder2262]

Traci Marrs Thank God for saving you

[@10RBREEZY]

Traci if you're still alive I want you to know that you are valuable.

[@MarzyChrista1212]

@@10RBREEZY Thank you and yes I know that but somebody in the throes of suicidal depression can’t see that. And I have been free I’m suicidal depression now for 18 years praise be to Yah!

[@10RBREEZY]

@@MarzyChrista1212 Thank goodness you're still alive. That is a blessing. I was wondering if you remember anything in particular to alleviate yours?

[@customjrod]

This man is so deep that it can come only from the inspiration of the holy spirit.

[@BCuniverse-ce4ih]

“Do not mistake my quiet and gentle spirit for weakness I am a mighty warrior child of god and my prayers move mountains”

[@danielmccall6698]

I appreciate what John Piper has said in this podcast. Bless you Brother John. My mother committed suicide when I was 18 years old. She was a believer and spent much quality time in the scriptures. I was completely heartbroken when she took her life. Some say that suicide brings you straight to hell. Some comments are mentioning that. I have read the bible several times and have yet to find that reference. I am totally with John to say that it is never the answer to depression. Keep seeking God with your heart, mind, and soul even through depression. I want to share with you a vision or dream that God gave to me. I was taken up to a level of heaven a year an a half after my mother passed. I was in a room that was in a totally different realm. The room lasted forever and had no end, yet it was a room. The room was bleach white more than anything that I have seen on Earth and yet my eyes could fully see. There were rays of light that were bouncing off the room in every direction. There was no time. No concept of time at all. For the first time in a year in a half I felt peace. All the sudden my mother in her glorified body showed up. Her body shone like a star. Her body was pulsing with rays of light. Her hair was like fire. Her eyes clear and the color of emeralds. She wore a white robe that was just as bright as the room and bleach white more than could be described on Earth. I felt for a moment pain. It was then gone as far as east is from west. She told me that she loved me. That she was sorry that she hurt me. She said that we will meet again and to tell the message to my family. I tell you that my heart still took longer and still has baggage from the suicide. I miss her dearly and want you to know that there is nothing that can separate God’s love. No height, no depth, not angels or demons. Death cannot separate us from God’s love. The only thing that can is if you never knew God in the first place. Come to the cross of Christ. We all have sinned. There is nothing that can separate us, except our pride. Suicide is not the answer. Get help. Cry out to God. I am no advocate of suicide. It hurts others so much. It hurts the heart of God. It is not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. If you know Christ and you are saved it will not separate you from Him. But still do not do it. God wants you to come to him. He wants to help you. Reach out to others too. I beg you.

[@alice.moonlightx]

Daniel McCall thank you for your testimony, may God continue to bless you brother and i hope we will see each other in heaven! Thank you again it really touch my heart..

[@jwm6262]

Daniel McCall , sorry for your loss brother. I find myself in a really deep pit experiencing extreme brain/body pain and symptoms. Brain damage. I can’t see myself going on like this

[@robraver]

I didnt quite have the same Dream as you, but after the Court Inquest about the suicide of a friend of mine...that night I saw her in a dream...she shouted something at me I couldnt understand it but she appeared to be very happy. Some form of closure? a vision from God? I dont know....but it was a terrible 6 months from her dying to the Inquest..of which only a few days before the Inquest I learnt it was, likely, suicide. I had been led to think it wasnt. What did trouble me a lot was that she said she was a Christian a long time before..but had since lapsed and was totally convinced there was 'nothing there' ie God. I dont know, have known too many suicides and have thought of it myself, sometimes, but I like to think...just another day/week/month/year more and lets see what that brings? In talking to a counsellor, recently, I asked her the question as to why all people dont take thier lives? I mean look at life? you are doomed from conception, and from that to being born, you got the whole gamble of whether you make it to old age..of which all manner of potential horrors await. Its a huge subject. All too often people look at each other with sorrow...wondering what they might have done to help when the truth is....we are usually too engrossed with ourselves. One of the worst things is the suicide not leaving a note or something. The last one I knew didnt leave anything but a lot of questions, which would have meant a full investigation by the police. Its a time I will never ever forget, its changed me a lot...the saddest part is that people expect me to be the same as before...when I am not. Not just me of course, all of her friends and family suffered.

[@baljeettjinder2262]

Daniel McCall Thanks for your testimony, God Bless man!

[@wongsikiongwongsikiong4296]

Holding faith in full assurance of faith till the end. Trust in the Lord.Not put confidence on man.

[@smc2673]

Praise Jesus my Lord that ALL my sins are covered by His grace and mercy. PERIOD. Glory to God.

[@lyla5548]

You have to be aware that when you are drunk, bravery takes over. No one is fearful of death when they are drunk. I would never hold a serrated knife to my carotid artery if I was sober. Watch out for depression and alcohol. Please believe me. From experience

[@reptilewizz]

I keep coming back to that verse drunkards do not inherit the kingdom of god.

[@lindahaggard6416]

Please I need prayer! 68 yr old Christian Grandmother with 4yrs of devastating depression and crippling anxiety! Can barely function anymore! God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are my hope but each day is so hard. Suicide cannot be an option for me so each day I feel so afraid and a nervous wreck. My gratitude for anyone who will pray for me!

[@user-rr9zs1hq7f]

Philippians 4:6-7 New Living Translation (NLT) 6 Don’t worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done. 7 Then you will experience God’s peace, which exceeds anything we can understand. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus. Do not worry sister, we love you and we care for you and so does the father in heaven. Things always get better, the dark tunnel doesnt go down forever! Keep fighting and know that we love you in Jesus name

[@dellamack4276]

Praying Isaiah 40:27-31 and 2 Cor. 12:7-10. May the Lord strengthen, comfort and bless you with His peace, grace, mercy and love.

[@bridgetmann8853]

Linda I know your pain. Praying for God’s spirit to rush through you with all His might and calm your anxiety and lift you out of the pit. Look up and see the sky and stars. Breathe and know He is in control even though you feel distant and remote. If born again you are in His hands. Trust Him in all. He may not heal you immediately (He did not heal me immediately) it took time, his time. Strength and peace is my prayer for you Linda.

[@thetruth145]

I’ll pray

[@puncesss]

My sister committed suicide and she was a believer. Thank you for this short message.

[@thepheonix81]

Shes in hell

[@puncesss]

​@@thepheonix81 Honestly, yea but what can you do?

[@thepheonix81]

@@puncesss I didn't mean to be disrespectful but I find it hard to understand how people can support a religion with the belief that they will go to heaven and just ignore all their loved ones and friends as they burn. I view Christianity as a fairly toxic belief system. I hope you find a way to cope though death doesn't have to be a sad thing it's just a natural part of life.

[@oaklandsoldier5920]

@@thepheonix81 she's not in hell Asshole

[@thepheonix81]

@@oaklandsoldier5920 lying is a sin keep that up and you will be in hell to

[@qdllc]

People don’t kill themselves because they want to die....they do it because they can’t find a way to go on living. Often, death is an afterthought...they just want an end to their pain.

[@joannachristian6905]

This is true

[@ptk8451]

But they should cry out to zGOD

[@SmutchyBritches]

My son was born with a terminal illness (Cystic Fibrosis) which doctors, back then, said he would live to be about 5 years old. I raised him in a Christian environment and was privileged to lead him to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ at age 9 years of age. He lived to be 25 years old and his life bore the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Toward the end of his life, he had to have 8 hours of respiratory therapy each day just to breath. His breathing had become horribly labored. He took his own life having no hope of a better life here on earth but hope in a perfect heavenly body. Jesus said anyone that comes to him and believes, NO ONE can pluck them out of his hand. Suicide is serious, but I don't believe that everyone who commits suicide goes to eternal separation from God. Neither does everyone who professes to be a Christian been truly born again. First of all, you need to examine yourself and see if you abide in the faith. (2 Corinthians 13:5)

[@madelynhernandez7453]

People, specifically Christians are quick to pass judgment using the bible, the thing is God in order to truly be God needs to be greater than the bible and not subjected the words in it. This is a ridiculous notion. Only God knows. Also he would have to know the level of agony a person must feel, even a christian, amd why they took their life away.

[@scottt3100]

I love Jesus and I am a born again Christian and have been baptized. I'm 59 and just exhausted with life itself. I've never been in trouble, never been arrested and have worked since the age of 14. I've suffered nothing but heartache and loss pretty much my whole life. I suffer terribly from depression and I've become agoraphobic to the point of getting extremely dizzy while driving just a few miles. This has caused me not to be able to work but my body is in excellent shape. I have not shared this in public before but at this time I am seriously considering taking my own life. I've prayed so much for God to help me and take this burden from me. I do not know what else to do. All I know is that I cannot continue to live like this. I am normally a happy person but I'm very sad and depressed and in a very dark place right now. Please pray for me, for my soul. I want to be in Heaven with my Lord Jesus.

[@musicianonamission8435]

I'm praying hard for you, Scott. Please don't take your own life. Life is hard, but it is very short compared to eternity, and you don't want to take the chance of being separated from God for eternity. On my worst days, I listen to worship music every chance I get and that lifts my mood. (Search up the KZbin channel "music meets heaven") You may feel invaluable, but someone you know needs you in their life.....whether family, friends, or former coworkers. The Lord has you here for a reason. Try setting a goal for yourself, like reading through the New Testament in 6 months, or inviting 10 people to church every month. Having goals to meet gives us a sense of purpose and something to look forward to. And maybe talk to a pastor or counselor about your sense of hopelessness and let them give you advice. Much love and concern. My heart goes out to you.

[@musicianonamission8435]

And also try talking to a doctor about your agoraphobia. I have it too, and my doc suggested I eat a Keto diet and take Celexa. You really can have sunny days ahead, and I hope you get there.

[@scottt3100]

MusicianOnAMission I just got your reply’s. Thank you so much for your words of inspiration and kindness. I’ve gotten back into playing my guitars and that has given me some peace about living. I’m trusting in Jesus to walk me through this. God bless you and keep you well. 🙏🏻❤️😊

[@thetruth145]

Praying

[@brooketorres5874]

How are you Scott? How have you been?

[@RSanchez111]

The last act of the life of the thief on the cross proved to be the decisive one. The thief had confidence in Christ and Christ promised the thief that he will be with Him in paradise. We MUST persevere in Christ.

[@johnstuart8840]

Bretheran one must be very cautious and take suicide very serious and not be deceived was the other thief on the cross near our LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST also judged as John Piper is describing it?What I do believe is that we just hope and pray that the last moment before the person dies they realize their sin and ask GOD'S forgiveness. Only then do they have the assurance of entering the kingdom.I do not agree with John Piper.

[@jeffreywp]

@@johnstuart8840 so then you are telling us that you remember every sin you have EVER committed and asked for forgiveness for all of them? So our salvation is not secure at all but predicated on our being able to ask God for forgiveness in every second of every moment?

[@echo9927]

@@jeffreywp These people have an entirely faulty view of salvation. It is what happens when zeal is combined with ignorance. To them, we are responsible for our salvation, and they reduce God to a salvic slot machine: "put a repentance in, get a salvation out!". It is madness. It denies Christ's work for his flock. Its almost as if they want to crucify Christ over and over again... What is even worse are the comments saying that even the suicidal are damned to hell, since they "have no hope". As if Christ's death and resurrection apply to everything, but not that: "Oh, my sins: lust, hate, ignoring the poor? Christ covered them! But yours that I never struggled with? To hell with you!". That being said to anyone reading through the comments struggling with this: I know your pain but be advised, suicide is not God's will. no, you would not go to hell, but Christ has more for you in this life, yes, in this life. Carry your cross just a little longer. Christ himself lived the suffering life: hated, killed, rejected. All by his own, by those he loved. He was born to die, and for you. Ponder on that. You? You were not born for such, He knows your pain, and he is with you!

[@robraver]

@@echo9927 in a pretty bad place myself at the moment but was interesting at work today when Jesus was mentioned..probably to rile me..all I could think was 'if only you knew' ie having to stand there and take the full Judgement for thier lives...someday

[@robraver]

@@echo9927 I quite like your slot machine analogy. I spent many years in a very backslidden state. While I never denied the Truth (say a discussion came up about God..I always pitched in with what Jesus is about) I knew I was living in deep compromise. What is chilling is that when we really think of our sin nature, it permeates everything. From the least slightest to the deepest and worst...sin is sin. No wonder the sky went dark during Christ being on that Cross. I cant even begin to fathom out the sheer price He paid. A very sad thing was in the old days suicides were buried outside of Graveyards. Such were the times.

[@jessepadron8431]

I hear voices in my head saying " help me." I hear over and over again and it's been like this for almost a year. I still pray and ask forgiveness and ask for this Burden to be lifted off me but, I will still keep my love and faith to Christ. But, before that happened to me I tell a bit of my story. I kept praying eveyday I try not to sin and keep God's commands. One day I was at work and I went outside. I raised my hands looked out at the sun close my eyes and felt something enter in me. Not physically but, spiritually. That day was the best day of my life. This big warm fire of love spread all over my body. But one day I was at work I said the word blasphemy inside my head. I felt the spirit grow bigger and warning me not to say it. But I said it anyway. I felt something left me spiritually and I wasn't the same. Everyday I got worse and everyone started to realize the change in me. There was a night that my mind was being attacked tell me to give up my spirt or soul. I kept saying no over and over again. I went to the bathroom and my mind was attacked again telling me to give up my soul I said no but, I had a moment of weakness and said yes. I felt something happened to me spiritually. It was big. I regret saying that. I hated myself so much for saying that. I didn't mean to say it. I let my guard down. There was a time when I was with my mom and baby sister at Walmart. I felt something enter in me spiritually and drained my energy but, one night I said a prayer to saint Michael and I felt what entered me and drained me of my energy got out of me spiritually. Like a heavy burden lifted off my shoulders. Although I think when I was in all this affect my baby sister could be in trouble too. There were night where I sleep in bed with my baby sister. But I noticed some change in her. Right now I'm attending every Sunday for church and bible study. But everytime I read the bible I feel effect on my head and blurr vision sight what you see on tv with no signal. I have crazy dreams when I sleep. I did have Multiple sleeping Paralysis. I lost a lot of weight I went from 200lbs to 140lbs from bad depression, anxiety and lack of sleep. I've been going through a lot of stress to my head and feet. It's been affecting my body bad but more bad on my head, health and heart. There were times I eat more to very little foods and lack of vitamins my body needs to keep going. I have been going through suicidal thoughts to end this suffering but, I know that I wouldn't draw that line. I did tell my parents, boss, coworkers, friends, family and some people about my situation. Some had similar stories that I had been through. But I think I'm getting off topic here. Sorry if this doesn't make any sense to you. I felt big snap in my brain and body but, little pinches on my body. Felt like little stabs. Right now I didn't realize this till yesterday I could be suffering from emotional stress. I really dont know about my situation but I was baptized when I was a baby. My family is Catholic but I want to be a Christian and a follower of Jesus Christ. Let me know what you think about this. I will tell you this dont because lazy Christian. There were times I was lazy and didn't want to do my Christian duty. People who are lazy Christian. Jesus says in the holy bible. You wicked and lazy Servant! I had to read that part cause that's true when there are time were lazy. But, remember to have the fear of God. Walk in Holiness sin killing and love but, the greatest of those 3 is love! Always believe and have faith! but do this with love🥰! Jesus be with all of you! Amen!

[@TLL228]

Remember, those who persevere til the end will be saved. Call out to the Lord in your time of trouble, He will strengthen you. Abiding in Christ is a continual process, a habit we have to build up. Repentance is something we get better at and grow in. No one is perfect. Keep turning to Jesus and trusting that He has the perfect strength to lift you out of your weaknesses.

[@JoelBurbage]

My friend, it sounds like you have demonic oppression. Please google “The Last Reformation” and watch any of their 3 films you will see people with your exact symptoms being set free! You can contact them here and let them know that you need prayer and deliverance! map.thelastreformation.com/?callback=showModal_modal/contact/5296 The have people all over the world who should be willing to come and pray for the demon to be cast out in Jesus name!

[@gaminggrandma2222]

Thank you so much for this. I was suicidal for years due to childhood abuse. I've attempted it more often than I can count. Thankfully, the Lord brought me through all those difficulties and I am grateful to be alive now whereas for years, I looked at life as more punishment that blessing. People in my church has no idea how to respond to this. Thank you so much

[@damianwhite9058]

Thank you for that. You are very brave and I wish you all the best in you life

[@jesussavestrinahaifa5884]

I've been thinking of this for the past year but I'm hanging on for my 22 yr old son. This message is Devine intervention. Thank you. I'm in daily agony & torment allowed by God and I don't know why yet. Please pray that God saves me and reunites me with my son.

[@Walo3pjE]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4ekYZ9ridxqpNE

[@marydickey3404]

Said a prayer for God's peace to fill you and give you eternal hope in Christ.

[@The18thCenturyEnthusiast]

Thank you most graciously for this podcast episode. I needed to hear this. My dad took his life Thankgiving weekend, just little over a month ago. He had been in agony physically, mentally, etc for a few months after a surgery plus still battled terminal cancer. I know of people who told me that my dad led them to the Lord, so I had been struggling with all this. You just helped clarify this issue a bit more to help me understand the fate of my dad's soul. Again, thank you.

[@lionofjudahlambofgod9132]

Im so sorry Lady.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Every Christian I have met tells me with no hesitation that suicide leads straight to hell that or being anything other than a Christian. However, I always question all that. Also, who or what has reassured many believers that the whole absolute truth is in the bible. That is ridiculous. They are pretty much saying God can be summed up and his power held all in the bible. This is ridiculous. If that is the God they believe in, then that is a very limited God and certainly one I don't believe in.

[@angelaalexandra8037]

You are magnificent Pastor John. I am so grateful for you

[@barbararoberts157]

Thank you so much for this message Pastor John

[@alanam9103]

Let God judge! I know God is merciful! I don't believe Christians who have moments of despair are in hell! We don't serve a beast for a God.. We serve an understanding and loving God.

[@megabojan1993]

I also believe that our loving and merciful God will never condemn a suicidal person to hell.

[@ronmo5781]

@@megabojan1993 exactly I hate when Christians say they are in hell

[@mrs.bartlett6047]

I agree Isaiah 55:8-9 New International Version (NIV) 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

[@Read..Matthew-11..28]

Murder is murder.. God Bless your soul. And I do not say that in a sarcastic way I mean it genuinely btw

[@madelynhernandez7453]

But they go and blindly follow an old book that has been tampered with many times.

[@dominic5520]

1 CORINTHIANS 6:19 “ DON’T YOU KNOW THAT YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH IS IN YOU AND YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN ? we are responsible to GOD for whatever we do to our bodies.you have no right to destroy that body.the bible says that”whoever endures to the end will be saved”.we will die in GOD’S time not our own.we should not let sentimentality interfere with our understanding of GOD’S word.suicide is murder! when GOD is finished with us,HE will let us know.i have also contemplated ending it all.how many of us who really have a hard time being on this earth,would commit suicide if we thought by doing so we would go to be with the LORD.

[@dominic5520]

1st Corinthians 6:20;”FOR YOU ARE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE,therefore GLORIFY GOD IN YOU BODY AND YOUR SPIRIT WHICH ARE GOD’S.

[@rosebeanvalentine7725]

Suicide is murder you say. So what? Jesus paid the penalty for ALL sins!

[@user-vz7ci4tw4s]

Dominic: Yours is the best comment on this site. The most unbiased Scriptural comment.

[@ronmo5781]

@@user-vz7ci4tw4s so if a Christian stole something from somebody and got hit by a truck and died before repenting he goes to hell?

[@ronmo5781]

I don't know why y'all act like y'all know where a Christian go if they commit suicide you can't answer it bc you or anyone else don't really know

[@johnholland5466]

I've tried everything I know to do, including philanthropy, exercising and changing my diet, looking for a new, less stressful job, going to a psychiatrist and taking medication, and praying, reading the bible and attending services once or twice every week, and things have only gotten worse, every year, for over a decade. Everything I've tried has been a failure. I feel used, spent, and let down. I feel like I disappoint the handful of people I love, and I wish they loved me the way I love them. Try to persevere, everyone, even when it feels futile, like you're only alive to experience more pain, sadness and disappointment. There is a plan, even if we can't see it, and there is a chance (even if it seems remote and even if you're not spiritual), that things will get better, but not if you kill yourself.

[@jannulik]

You've got to listen to " Be In Health " podcasts by Christian Dr Henry Wright. The Bible says to be doers of the Word, not only listeners, otherwise our prayers get hindered. Also, unforgiveness, bitterness and other sins give legal right to Satan in our lives. Pray and the Holy Spirit will reveal who you might be holding grudge against and you will need to release them to the Lord. As you pray and listen to Holy Spirit's wise council, watch your life changing completely. NO JOKE. Been there done that. God is a faithful God but we MUST be also doers of the word x

[@Walo3pjE]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4ekYZ9ridxqpNE

[@augustinechikwanda853]

You need to be filled with the Holy Spirit, John. You need to be filled to the point where you are bursting from the seams with His Presence. I challenge you to submit yourself fully to the Lord (especially your mind) and let Him absolutely overwhelm you with His love, joy, hope and peace. There is hope. Look to Jesus!

[@glacia15]

I am bipolar and i have suicidal thoughts, I love jesus and im grateful to be where i am as opposed to where i was before i knew christ. But sometimes I feel like ive lived long enough and im just buying time. i know thats not right and i fight these off when i can but when i can't thats when God steps in and takes over. I am on meds to help but they arent perfect its only by the grace of God that i am not dead, halleluiah

[@Slidehhy]

How are you now

[@glacia15]

@@Slidehhy I am much better I have been placed on medication that works and I'm getting better slowly

[@nicfloresb]

Pls pray for me.. Im a Christian but my life now is bankrupt.. and Im tired.. no one is there for me.. i always cry in my room

[@marktimothyelegarle1493]

God bless you sister. Always remember that your future is with the Lord. You're called because you have a purpose. We have a Father in heaven that cares and loves us. And Jesus Christ our brother is always there.

[@nicfloresb]

@@marktimothyelegarle1493 thank u

[@PapaSeed]

@@nicfloresb God is with you, in your lowest lows, in your heighest heighs, he is there. He will never leave you nor forsake you. Cry out to Him and reach out to your local church for advise because God is faithful, i know people that have become homeless and then made it back. trust in God!

[@nicfloresb]

@@PapaSeed thank u james

[@TTundragrizzly]

You are loved beyond measure! I pray the Lord rains upon you right now,,, His blessings and joy and peace!! Cling to Him!

[@jaybrick8973]

Death causes so much pain for your loved ones that alone should make you think.

[@zealgaming9123]

truthseeker89 for life suicide is a very self-centered and selfish act. I pray for everyone that is going through the attacks.

[@user-vz7ci4tw4s]

@@zealgaming9123 You silly woman! It is not selfish or self-centered at all if you live alone and have no family at all or friends and you have arranged for your bills to be paid from your account. You deserve to suffer for that remark..you are the one who is self-centered and selfish opening your big mouth on a site like this to cut people down.

[@amandacogger5221]

@@zealgaming9123 if you've not been in that position you cannot judge! When a person suffers from mental health problems killing yourself can be the only release from having to continue to keep living a life with those mental health problems and I know for a fact that a person with mental health problems who wants to take their own life feel that they are too much of a burden on those that they love and think their loved ones would be better off without them so they don't have to suffer as well

[@caesars.3261]

@@zealgaming9123 shutup

[@zealgaming9123]

Amanda Cogger well now you’re judging me, you’re being a hypocrite my friend. I have been in that position. God bless.

[@jesseb6171]

I can't find any consistency after years of fighting and I'm tired. I take responsibility for this and know its my own doing, but don't know how much longer I can keep moving. Jesus save me

[@adkokay]

You are loved, you are important, you matter. Stay strong 💖

[@new_comment]

This question has plagued me. I have an uncle (on my dad's side). And not just because he is family, he is the most Godly, Christ centered person I've ever known personally. I believe just from knowing him, growing up close to him and watching him. That he truly loved and revered Jesus above everything. Humble, meek, the fiery Pastor of our families small country Church. He was a Vietnam veteran who was involved in and shot in the first battle in La Drang Valley. He never fully escaped the war. Having a few serious flashback moments in his life causing him to become severely depressed and even to go missing for a few months after just driving off in his vehicle. He began struggling a lot before his suicide, saying things like , "the devil is trying to get too me", "I don't know if God will forgive me for the things I did", etc. Spells of continuously praying, fervently. The day he took his life, he calmly walked into him and his wife's (also my aunt on my mother's side) bedroom and locked the door behind him. When his wife tried to open the door, and found it locked she called out to him to let her in. He only said, "it'll be ok, the devil is trying to take me, I just need to pray" and she heard him start praying. A few horrifying seconds later as she's trying to break in, she heard the gunshot. I have been torn over the thought of him being damned for what he did, since the day it happened. I know we're not to pray for the dead. So I have only hoped that he was received into our Father's house. I know he was mentally ill and suffered from severe PTSD. I trust God, and know that He is just. So whatever became of him in the spiritual realm, was the perfect judgement of our Father in Heaven. But, I can't help but wrestle with the question in the back of my mind.

[@meredithgreenslade1965]

My Grandfather shot himself and my mother grew up without a father. I do not know how his relationship with the Lord was. What I do believe is that God is the judge and he knows the state of mind in that person who does suicide. Excellent message. Thank you

[@colinwee9981]

God should have offered help instead of just watching...think about it...an all loving n merciful god???

[@timv9242]

There was this lady at my church who said her testimony as of when she tried to kill herself because her boyfriend broke up and left her she jumped off a 9 story building and for those few seconds she was falling she got saved it's kind of mindblowing but for her it's as if everything just stopped in time and she was talking to the lord and crying out to him and asked and begged him for mercy and salvation and for these few seconds she had 2 hours worth of talking to the lord if that makes sense and she realized she was saved as she was falling but, she didnt die she broke all her bones but she alive she now goes around and preaches her testimony and comforts parents who's children have killed themselves, god is just God is righteous, god is good people no matter how our minds make him out to he he is GOOD

[@karenschmidt500]

Therefore, someone who had a failed suicide attempt can be saved if they are not already His! Unfortunately, a new youth pastor took over the youth group when my daughter was in middle school. (She’s now 28!) She brought a girl friend to youth group one evening. At some point, this youth pastor (not formally trained) said suicide and those who attempt suicide are unable to be forgiven and are doomed to hell. I explained to my daughter that wasn’t accurate. Her friend never visited again. This was another step in my leaving that church for a better one!!! How sad the damage is when even a church or individual cannot give hope to the despondent among us. Most recently I’ve worked as a psych RN and also in drug and alcohol units. I feel I did my best to give my patients hope that they are not hated by God and that they have hope for themselves and their future!

[@sabah4123]

Son tormented for 30 yrs, by incurable illness. Clung on to life as a Believer, then ended it??? 🙇🏽‍♀️🇦🇺 God understands!

[@jwm6262]

Sabah Amal , so sorry for your loss. I am experiencing a similar physical situation and am overwhelmed

[@idiotbun3552]

He doesn't want me to die, he is not letting me live, what am I supposed to do?

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Exactly. But its always our fault for not looking hard enough for christ or believing. B.S. if they lived one damn day in our shoes maybe they understand something. If God controls everything, he also is controlling the miserable life and agony that we live in. He gaveth? ..... Yes indeed

[@joelyons8238]

John 10:10 "THE THIEF COMES NOT BUT TO STEAL, & TO KILL, & TO DESTROY: BUT I HAVE COME THAT THEY MAY HAVE LIFE, & HAVE IT MORE ABUNDANTLY." Amen.

[@BlackScreen55]

Suicidal thoughts, Depression and anxiety happen when you have no trust in Jesus Christ. I’ve been there. Looking back, I just didn’t trust God nor was I willing to submit to him. Get your eyes off yourself and put them on Jesus.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

This is your belief, perception. There is no one thing that comforts everyone. If you told this to me, a suicidal person, I honestly would just feel more annoyed. Thats it.

[@charmander777]

Christians in North Korea are often tortured in ways that are so terrible we can't discuss it ..such as live vivisection and human experimentation....and cutting live humans open. I understand them if they commit suicide to escape such torture and I believe God will not send them to hell. I'm sure 99% of people who posting here never went through the persecution north Korean Christians are facing now....y'all likely living comfortably and safe ..so its easy for u to judge. I say let God be the judge.

[@barrycook8116]

God will judge harder than any human can ever judge.

[@jomr4249]

@@barrycook8116 False. God judges perfectly, not harder. Jesus tells us to be very careful how we judge one another because none of us are perfect and you will be forgiven in the same measure you have forgiven. God knows everything that people feel and struggle with and are trapped by....things people in their lives, even close people, may never know.

[@barrycook8116]

@@jomr4249 I guess you missed the many parts about where Jesus talks about sending people to hell.

[@heartylegend2002]

Anytime I think about it even though I don't want to I just think about how sad Jesus is looking down thinking about his own child killing themselves. Like I never I want my father to be sad so whatever hardship I'm going through or whatever you're going through just know that the holy spirit is with you. God is not done with your story. You are called by God to serve him and spread his message to save a soul

[@donaldmacdonald9940]

...”I wonder every day there are not more suicides, considering the troubles of this life”.....Charles H. Spurgeon...

[@user-uy4ho6ib4e]

I have been going through a lot being accused of what I know nothing about and the only thing that can make me release of the pain am going through is killing myself because no one believe me when I say it they call me a mad person but within me I know what am going through I cry everyday for God to lift this burden off me but nothing for 13 years now am going through a lot i need to go so that people who are accusing me wrongly will have peace

[@mr.joseph7088]

I asked the Lord Jesus if people that kill themselves go to hell, and He answered! He said: "They go to hell, people that dont have me in their hearts go straight to hell, and when MY people kill themselves I dont let them enter into my kingdom. Because they didn't trust me, they didn't trust me with their problems and with their sadness, why should I let people who neither trusted me nor obeyed me into my kingdom?" That's a message for someone. If you are suicidal, DONT DO IT!! GO TO JESUS!! TALK TO HIM!! IF YOU KILL YOURSELF YOU'LL REGRET IT FOREVER! GO TO JESUS BROTHER OR SISTER! TALK TO HIM!

[@nicole5819]

For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” Romans 9:15. Nobody, not even John Piper can claim to know what God does to people who commit suicide.

[@tabby25hope]

K Ireland Everybody is entitled to an opinion. He did say this is his judgement. You can disagree with him if you want but why would only you be allowed to have an opinion? Moreover, he is a teacher and people asked him what he believes, he gave his answer. It doesn't mean it's a perfect one, but he has the duty as a teacher to at least try to answer one of the most difficult questions ever.

[@xxmanlovingdudexxlovemen6681]

But if one is born again he cannot lose salvation. But no question suicide is a sin since god chooses when and where you die. But if one commits suicide and is Christian they may be saved.

[@rosebeanvalentine7725]

Jesus died for ALL sins even suicide. If you trust in Jesus alone for eternal life you will go to Heaven.

[@sanrosario2562]

K Ireland fuck you

[@mcnielentertainment]

I found out today, May 1st 2020, one of my friends i went to school with (class of 2015) ended his life last night...

[@chrisreed12]

my father commented suicide and he read his bible dailey ive always figured he went straight to hell its a good feeling to know atleast there is a chance he did not

[@ronmo5781]

I doubt he went to hell if he was a believer

[@jessegrider5301]

Do you think he went straight to hell if his judgement day hasn't even happened yet?. That's not for at least for another 1000 years. Also, you probably read the KJV. Maybe you should get the Young's Literal Version. It's closer to the original Greek text. You'd be surprised at the difference in some places. It doesn't say you go to hell forever. It says for an age. Big difference.

[@Ahmedpuno]

Chris Reed if he fully trusted Christ, no matter what, he will be in heaven. Romans 4 says: To him that worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness. Blessed is the man unto whom God imputeth righteousness with out works. If you come to think of it, King David was a murderer.. if suicide is murder. Do the math

[@Ahmedpuno]

Chris Reed Piper is a heretic. He does not understand the Gospel. He is a ravening wolf. If you fully trust Christ, you would not be looking at your works.

[@jessegrider5301]

@@Ahmedpuno I wish I knew so much more than I do. I thank God for what I know and for what I don't know and for what I'm going to learn. but I do wonder what it means at the great white throne judgment when it says that the book of life is going to be opened , and they are going to be judged by their works. I thought that mankind was not going to be judged by their works. I know it takes time to know but I just want to know everything right now.

[@johnnydough9561]

So at 5:45-6:00 he’s saying our previous acts prove we’re believers yet the one final act doesn’t prove we’ve abandoned Christ? Listen to him closely. The devil is in the details. 1 John 1:9 IF we confess our sin. 1 Corinthians 10:13 God won’t allow more on us than we can bare. So is God lying if we commit suicide? Did He put too much on us or did we quit following and trusting Him. It’s one or the other. I believe we were either never fully trusting in Him or we left Him if we choose suicide. I believe it’s likely a person never trusted in Christ. Anyone can say they’re a believer. Satan believes in Christ too. He knows He’s real. Suicide isn’t a get out of jail free card and trust me hell is 1 billion times worse than any hell we’re going through here. Time heals all wounds if we’ll just weather the storm and get help. Never leave a friend that’s down or you think is screaming for help. We love our families and hurt when life kicks us but all things are possible through Christ. Don’t quit on Him.

[@abrahamgonzalez8270]

God Bless you bro ✝️

[@Isaac19242]

Number one I’m sure millions of Christians have died with unconfessed sin through accidents etc. Our confession of sin after we’re converted is not what saves us. And two, we all are tempted and fail at times but the temptation wasn’t too hard to bear. We choose sin even when there’s a way of escape and we don’t act on it. So are we then condemned? By that logic we’d all be on our way to hell because we choose sin everyday.

[@reptilewizz]

Needed this right now 😭

[@joshuapizarro]

For those of you who may be asking the following question: "If I'm saved and I can kill myself and just go straight to heaven, why not do it?" Jesus answered, “It is said: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ” Luke 4:12 NIV I used to wrestle with this same question, but then I realized, by God's grace, that to even attempt suicide as a way to get to heaven faster was to test God. We must place our hope in Jesus, for God has proclaimed, "...those who hope in Me will not be disappointed." Taken from Isaiah 49:23 NIV David sings, Wait on the Lord; Be of good courage, And He shall strengthen your heart; Wait, I say, on the Lord! Psalms 27:14 NKJV Wait on God, and He will bless you! Do you believe this? Then trust in God and prayerfully wait for Him to intervene on your behalf. God bless you.

[@robertnovesta5496]

Yes I do, God bless you, I needed to see this, thank you.

[@joshuapizarro]

@@robertnovesta5496 Praise God! The Lord Jesus be with you, brother!

[@mpumi6830]

Thank you for this. There is a fear of God that has kept me from taking my own life for over a decade now. I feel myself grow extremely tired. However, I will not test God.

[@joshuapizarro]

@@mpumi6830 He gives power to the weak and strength to the powerless. Even youths will become weak and tired, and young men will fall in exhaustion. But those who trust in the Lord will find new strength. They will soar high on wings like eagles. They will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not faint. Isaiah 40:29‭-‬31 NLT There's a song by a brother named Drew Ava titled, "Shoreline." In it he sings about Jesus, "He is standing on the shoreline where your strength ends, but with Jesus you'll be fine." When we come to the end of ourselves, Jesus gives us the strength to go on. With Him, all things are possible (Matthew 19:26). By His Spirit, I trust you'll experience the fullness of Christ's love for you and the strength to finish the race. God bless you.

[@arnoldfernandes2672]

But knowing this is alright. We can have the head knowledge about God but the feelings that we have about suicide don't align. We feel different than the above. It's so hard to wrestle with this when our thoughts and feelings don't align!

[@cindybrawner9667]

Thank you , this was explained very well.

[@bobtaylor170]

Depression distorts your emotions and makes everything seem hopelessly dark. It's too bad Piper has never been able to understand that belief in Jesus Christ, plus nothing, saves a life.

[@ivanhuertas5307]

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[@candicec6513]

If Piper believes in Jesus plus works he's not saved because he's not trusting in Christ alone but partly himself

[@madelynhernandez7453]

@@candicec6513 what? How do you know what Piper thinks or feels.

[@zealgaming9123]

I think he was trying to figure it out, I know a sister in Christ that has always said, “if it wasn’t for me going to hell if I suicided then I would of done it along time ago.” This is a frightening thing. I’ve even thought of that. If I could go to heaven right now with suicide then why not meet the Father right now and get out of his dark world???

[@augustinechikwanda853]

This is the same line of logic behind euthanasia and abortion: why go through pain (or allow a child to be born) in a broken world of suffering? I really do not know what happened to the western church! People in north-Africa and Asia are harassed, raped, tortured and executed for Jesus, yet they choose to persevere for Jesus... yet people who live in the wealthiest, freest and safest societies would self-terminate just to meet God right now. This is saddening, disappointing and infuriating all at once.

[@05socrates]

@@augustinechikwanda853 i struggled too after the death of my best friend n had thoughts of suicide but i believe i will not see him this way.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

This is a weird tought. Most people who truly are suicidal dont do it in the hopes of going to heaven. They do it out of hopelessness, not being able to bare one more day in the hell they are living. Please everyone understand this.

[@zealgaming9123]

@@augustinechikwanda853 so true!

[@zealgaming9123]

@@madelynhernandez7453 I agree when people have mental disorders but if someone just doesn’t care about their life or effecting others and the life and purpose that God has offered then I don’t believe they’re reborn again

[@samsalonga4743]

God made us.god designed us and gave us the mental capacity in every aspect.if i will commit suicide because i can no longer bear the problems i am dealing with will i go to hell?god made me this way.i never wanted to be like this,weak and a sinner.for 2 months now i am on a state of severe depression and suicide is the only thing i see right now.

[@Sarah-hl8td]

The key Mr Piper is the example you gave of the angry man his intent was not to kill himself. Yet a person who is committing suicide is "intent on killing". God looks on the intents of the heart. Also, no human on earth can give us a ticket to heaven, regardless what he/she says God's word is the ultimate final say. There is nowhere in the bible that gives a hint that a person who murders himself is going to heaven. For that reason it is foolish to hang ones hope on heaven after one has killed himself.

[@angekriekenbeek5935]

I'm 74:yrs.old. I've got a terminal degenerative illness. It is fatal, debilitating, and painful. I also have 3 mental illness.Throughout my life I was looking for love and protection. I've also had many traumas since childhood from family and other people.Unfortunately in looking for love and safety I made mistakes, forgot Christ and sinned terribly. I have been unhappy and fearful all my life and have had some serious suicide attempts.I wanted security, but I was used and abused to have that.To put out in one sentence, I sinned and did everything wrong I felt so alone and helpless. I had numerous admissions to mental hospitals.Its funny, inspite of the horrific things I did I felt God was around.Then 16years ago in Easter, I wanted to go back to church. I found a Priest who is supporting me and have made confessions and am receiving communion.every week.He comes every week because I' can't tolerate going out for long periods. I'm very sorry for all my sins, but I'm still feeling suicidal and can't see a way out.Im suffering physically, mentally, emotionally and am lonely and isolated. My social situations is not the best and I have been also abused mentally and emotionally.The last 2 days have been ok.Im terrified of nursing homes and I want to die at home. I love Jesus Christ and I long to be with him. I constantly watch Jesus movies for comfort. I pray daily for Jesus to take me as I don't want to suicide. My emotions take over then I become suicidal and try to act on it.Why is God letting me linger on. I'm useless, worthless and I feel a burden to others. Please Pastor John,pray for me. What does God want me to do before he releases me from this bondage.? I'm trying my best to avoid sin. I just want to be with Jesus 🙏🙏🙏I love Jesus Christ 💕💕💗💗🌞God Bless 🙏🌷💥💥 My disease is progressing and I can feel it.I know I'm declining, but I'm still here.Im terrified God is going to leave me here on Earth to suffer more

[@madelynhernandez7453]

If God will destroy me then please be my guest. The sooner I will die.

[@sanrosario2562]

My life sucks right now.

[@user-rr9zs1hq7f]

San Rosario God finds another way, trust in him. Things may not be good right now, but there will always be another way brother, we all love you and care for you and so does God! Jeremiah 29:11 “For I have plans for you, plans to better you and not to harm you”

[@guzlemuzle]

@@user-rr9zs1hq7f Jeremiah 29:10 "For thus says the LORD: After 70 years of exile and slavery are completed in Babylon" just a little bit of context

[@oaklandsoldier5920]

Mine 2. Smh. Fuck life

[@nasomeeking1367]

Mine sucks too

[@judyl.761]

Same

[@maidenshazza]

John 10:28 " I give them eternal life and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hands" Can a genuine believer in the Lord Jesus Christ ever lose their salvation??? As pastor John said, it is a serious serious sin, but a genuine believer is kept by the Lord, and no one can ever snatch them out from His hands, not even a moment of sinful madness on their part.

[@kenmcdaniel3433]

some people can endure much pain and suffering. others can not. some who suffer illnesses for days and weeks and years who pray constantly for help but no help comes. everyones level to bear suffering is different and not all are long suffering. what you can bear i may not and what i can someone else can not. I believe it is all based on an individual circumstance and God will deal with each one accordingly. it is a risk with eternal consequence which i have considered many times because i am that person with a long history of illness and suffering with no relief even though i pray dailey and have many times asked God to take me. I dont know his reasons for his silence but it always lingers in the back of my mind. i hope to finish the race but never know from day to day. that is why i have not acted on it is no man can know if he or she will be cast into hell or allowed into heaven after suicide only God knows for sure. i hope we all who think about this can hang on till the end and by Gods grace maybe we will.

[@tevis56k1]

I believe and studies support this, that many of those who commit suicide are taking medications, that are supposed to treat depression, anxiety, and bipolar, etc. These meds however often cause the very thing they are supposed to treat.. They admittedly can cause suicidal / homicidal thoughts. Drs today are too quick too hand out prescriptions to people, including children, for "normal behaviorss" or normal emotions that are now being called "disorders". Here's an Interesting note....the word "pharmacia" is from the Greek word for "sorcery".

[@lizmarieoropeza6486]

That's what I say all the time

[@rosebeanvalentine7725]

You cannot treat certain mental illnesses without medication. I have Bipolar disorder. Medication is mandatory to control the disorder.

[@user-vz7ci4tw4s]

@vis56k1 You are correct! Inside the wrapper in the anti-depressants, under "Contraindications" it says: "May cause suicidality."You should see "Psychiatric Drugs in the Military" on YT (think its that title, not sure, but it proves what you say,) or "All Psychiatric Drugs Are EXtremely Dangerous," By Dr. Peter Breggin on YT..he is a psychiatrist and praciticing Medical Doctor.

[@user-vz7ci4tw4s]

"Pharmakea" is the spelling in the Greek and yes it refers to drug use. Some modern translations actually use the words "All drug users shall have their part in the Lake of Fire."

[@themessenger8131]

Pharmakeia translates to witchcraft what does witchcraft do,guess it affect you like medicine,I don't trust medicine that are psychotropic, they could worsen you.Same with shock treatment it makes you have amnesia it Fry's you and they still use it, it turns you even crazier this is something tested on animals but humans.

[@johnotto4931]

Why would anyone take the chance? Remember “the life I live is NOT my own” Paul wrote, you would be taking a life that belongs to God- if you are born again

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Cause some of us don't give a 💩 where we are going, there is still no escape either way. Why prolong our suffering here????....

[@johnotto4931]

@@madelynhernandez7453 there IS an escape….THE escape, being a born again Christian is not at all boring or a waste of life , far from it, I now have a good life here and I will there also when I get to finally be with Jesus Christ

[@jordan7985]

I understand why some believe suicide forfeits salvation because you can’t repent of it (since you are dead). The logic behind this is you must repent of all sins to be saved. This is faulty logic though because we can never repent of each and every sin we commit. We cannot even remember each and every sin we are committing. If you are basing salvation on “perfect repentance”, that is works based. You can never repent perfectly from your sins. Here is an example: How many of you have said you have repented from adultery, yet still commit it in your heart? I am not saying as Christians we don’t need repentance. But God’s forgiveness is not based on how prefect your repentance is. Remember even your best works are like dirty rags to the Lord. Peace be with you all.

[@FM-pw1ls]

Well said

[@krayziejerry]

amennnn

[@madelynhernandez7453]

So why do good works. Ever tought how the bible was manipulated to keep un in fear, feeling worthless all the time?

[@bravesoul5743]

This made me think about the well-known pastor Jarrid Wilson who took his own life days ago.

[@rohar8739]

Was the intro music changed? It sounds higher pitched

[@brendonburdett7015]

Anyone in Christ has already died...anyone who thinks suicide can separate You from God, is not in Christ, and anyone who commits suicide has most probably never known God to begin with.

[@lionofjudahlambofgod9132]

They needed deliverance and inner healing.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Perhaps, but when people keep telling you that in order to get help from God you must believe, one feels like Fck it, I dont believe so I. Fckd leading you to commit suicide even faster. Also, the just pray crap doesn't work either. It gets even worst when people tell you that you feel this way because you have never known Jesus or question your salvation as if they are better than you or hold the title of judge over your head. All these things do not help, in fact are more detrimental to a depressed or suffering person even if one is christian.

[@Rose-dl6xg]

Please pray for me to. I'm a Christian lady and am going through a dark season (as the Pastor put it,) I'm having dark suicidal thoughts now for about 2 1/2 weeks. I feel so guilty for struggling with these dark thoughts when I Love the Lord very much!! Will the Lord forgive me for having these thoughts? I feel hopeless and haven't experienced joy for about 7 years. I see a mental health Dr. for this condition. Am afraid to tell the Dr. don't want them to put me away somewhere. I'm fighting this because I definitely don't want to hurt anyone especially God and Jesus to follow through on anything like this. My mom passed away from old age about 4 years ago and unfortunately all the woman on her side of the family going back many generations have suffered severe depression. Me being one of them. I have an elderly dad still alive, and an older brother who literally have NO COMPASSION for those who suffer depression. They think they are only a burden on society. Please pray for me. God bless you!

[@rianatreshaun7535]

Rose - I will pray for you right now before I go to sleep. You will be healed in the name of Jesus. God bless you!

[@Rose-dl6xg]

@@rianatreshaun7535 thank you. Very much Rianà

[@Rose-dl6xg]

@@rianatreshaun7535 Thank you Tiana Treshaun for your kindness to reach out and pray for me. God bless you!

[@rianatreshaun7535]

@@Rose-dl6xg Absolutely. I hope You have a great day today!

[@Rose-dl6xg]

@@rianatreshaun7535 I hope I have a better day to. If you don't mind Riana, every once in awhile, please pray for me. Have a blessed life Riana, again thank you for your kindness!

[@kevinkevin7144]

For we do not want you to be unaware, brethren, of our affliction which came to us in Asia, that we were burdened excessively, beyond our strength, so that we despaired even of life; indeed, we had the sentence of death within ourselves so that we would not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead; who delivered us from so great a peril of death, and will deliver us, He on whom we have set our hope. And He will yet deliver us, 2 Corinthians 1:8‭-‬10 Paul himself had suicidal thoughts and he is definitely in heaven and penned 13 books of the new testament.All sin is missing the mark and can only be washed away by Christ and His Death Burrial And Resurrection.

[@JesusisLord..]

My mother just killed herself. I’m also in the middle of a divorce. The grief is so heavy and the loneliness is……… no words for it.

[@advjxsj]

i’m so sorry for your loss..praying for you❤

[@blank-964]

Ultimately if Christ’s finished work was applied to the person then that person will be in heaven. Their faith was genuine. Their final work will not come into account in the sense that it damns them despite any other issue. However, questions may emerge to our eyes as to if their faith was genuine but God will know without question if this was one who was foreknown, predestined, and justified regardless of anything else. Your works are a fruit not determinate of salvation. Faith alone but faith is never alone.

[@reneecarter6702]

I needed to hear this.

[@jackjones3657]

If the last act of a confessing believers life is sin, does that exempt them from eternal life? Not necessarily is his response. God weighs our life in entirety. True faith can have a season that is dark enough to be suicidal. His words here are compelling.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

So... Your point is....or was....after 3 years you give no real answer.

[@mysticalglowtv1796]

If you are contemplating suicide then give your life to Jesus Christ. Completely, let him have it totally.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Problem is many christians go through this. Do you keep saying this to them? I dont think you fully understand.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Also with a name like Mystical Glow, perhaps the one who meeds to give your life to God is you.

[@GenesisRevelationJESUSCHRIST]

Yes there is another way in JESUS MIGHTY NAME AMEN🙏🙏🙏

[@Akitorbenov]

Go tell someone that lost his wife after decades waiting for her entering in his life, and loving her in a superhuman way that can only be explained by the fact that God himself gave that man the way to love her with a portion of His Divine love.....if God should rightfully and sovereignty take her life....go tell this man how to quench his pain. The love he felt for her in an instant transformed in emptiness and darkness. There must be a Divine intervention for this man not to take his life the moment after he discover she is no more with him.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Most people on here will tell you to wait in God, pray and give your pain to him. Little comfort I know.

[@dougmaverick3287]

The Bible says salvation is by grace alone through faith alone and not by works, so that means you can't do anything (works) to gain salvation, so that means you can't do anything to lose your salvation. Since you did not get your salvation by what you did, you can not lose it by what you do (commit suicide.)

[@wandaneeharris6702]

I disagree that some persons are exempt from this because of their walk with Christ up until their moment of dispair. Our last moments do matter no matter how spiritual we may have been. I don't believe one that possesses the Holy Spirit can come to a point of suicide. The two don't work together. He changes everything about you. He enables you to fulfill purpose. Let's look to His word for truth and depend on the Holy Spirit for understanding. Suicide is a problem of the mind that can be healed through Jesus Christ.

[@Kraken_Wildz]

What if you, as a Christian, have a prideful thought and then you immediately die in a car crash? Do you go to hell because of not being able to repent of the mistake? Or does the blood of Christ cover you?

[@AntiVillain26845]

@@Kraken_Wildz By that logic, they may as well call it "extortion" instead of "salvation."

[@beelzzebub]

Wandanee Harris dangerous way of thinking my friend. When you are saved, you can’t lose that salvation. You can’t be unborn again! And I don’t think you can just say that if someone commits suicide then they were never truly saved. That is extremely disingenuous - God doesn’t promise to make us perfect, and killing yourself doesn’t mean you were pretending the whole time. If you honestly accept God and Jesus’ sacrifice you are saved. Even if you go on to do terrible things and kill your self - salvation is a non refundable gift, and we can’t just say suicidal people pretended to receive it!

[@Kraken_Wildz]

@@beelzzebub if you continue in habitual sin until your death you were never a Christian. But If you made a mistake and killed yourself in a laps of depression it is possible you are saved.

[@beelzzebub]

@@Kraken_Wildz I Think your motive his is admirable and good - but you're adding to the gospel! I would suggest that if an individual genuinely accepted the gospel, NOTHING they can do can remove their sin. Even habitual sin. Granted, habitual sin MAY throw into question if they ever TRULY accepted Christ - but I don't think we can say that someone habitually sinned, therefore they could NOT have accepted the gospel.

[@aleyroxen809]

Romans 8:18 (KJV) For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. Romans 8:38-39 (KJV) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[@URAWESOME94]

Aley Roxen yup, the love that placed you here against your will and put you between endless temptation and the threat of eternal flames if you don’t do as god wants you to.

[@JasonSchmidt-1979]

I love you Pastor John but am disappointed that you did not even mention mental illness. Many who commit suicide are very very sick indeed.

[@xRuralJuroRx]

Pastor John is wrong. Suicide is not the same as murder. Murder is requiring of two components: intent and malice. Suicide does not necessarily pertain to malicious feelings, only to intent, and therefore does not qualify as murder. As we all know, God does not like murder, but he has nothing against killing. Know the difference! In conclusion, it is not a sin to commit suicide. God always knew how you were going to die, it cannot be wrong. Have a blessed death.

[@xRuralJuroRx]

@@matthewworthington3192 Murder is a sin, but killing is not a sin. Educate yourself to see the difference.

[@stevemelton3619]

I have personally known 4 people who terminated their life. All 4 were on some type of pain killer. When people commit suicide, people need to realize these people are unable to reason in that state of mind. One of these people was sibling. So I say to all of you, pay attention to those on pain killers. Especially when you see signs of depression. I have noticed a direct correlation to narcotic pain medication. While it's not the only red flag, this one is a big one

[@robinpraisebetogodscammell3277]

Not all people are on painkillers who want to end their life. Some people are without family and have no reasons for living anymore and feel more pain day by day going on. I’ve had so called Christian people tell me to cut my hair, go get it done at a beauty salon, wear make up and then be deceived and lied to by them in the last year! When your already fighting depression for 8 years that really sinks the knife in deeper. I’m satisfied with how I look and try to ignore the comments even though it’s clear to me I don’t measure up to their standards. What matters to me is the Lord loves the way I look and how much I try to walk with Him in obedience. God bless everyone🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻

[@marcaskew7846]

The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away.

[@John-pp4di]

1 John 3:15, that's not even in the context of suicide, it's talking about hating a BROTHER, via ANOTHER PERSON. Also in regards to "If we hold true to the end" where does that show it has to be an external end, it just says "to the end" why are you assuming that it's referring to an external end and excluding the internal one.

[@cartermichelle1822]

Can you please pray for me I’m a Christian but I’m suicidal and it hurts everyday

[@AnHebrewChild]

:( How are you today?

[@imabeast7397]

there is only 1 unforgivable sin. its not suicide nor murder. its not even a hard question. there are lots of suicides due to mental disorders. i don't see God saying it was there fault. Jesus covers all sin. Not accepting him and n his salvation is the ONLY unforgivable sin. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. thee end.

[@abuelb]

Its not a question of is it unforgivable sin. Its whether or not that person was truly saved. When your dead, you cannot ask for forgiveness.

[@boughtwithaprice9121]

Eternal life can’t be undone.

[@TaylorKWH]

Morning guys. I want to share something I forgot. I had a friend who committed suicide in high school. I don't know if anyone read the paper about him. I was a senior in high School, and he was a junior, and a month away from graduation. May I forget the day, 2013. Shot himself at the parking lot of Kmart, he was in the paper the next day. He died at OHSU. but I often feel like it was my fault that he did kill himself. The reason why, I was kind of a jerk a little bit to some kids, with my joking and trying to be funny with them. Anyway I used to play around with my friend by taking his beanie hat and the last time I saw him, it was after school we were in a hallway, and I was messing around with him. And I threw his hat away. I felt bad for it, I apologized for it, he told me it was fine. And after that, that was the last time I saw him. Brandon was his name. And for a long time since then I felt like it was my fault I carried the guilt that I caused it indirectly! And I every time I think about him now, I just wonder where did he go when he died.

[@TaylorKWH]

Here's my experience with losing a friend.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

We don't know that is the reality. Every Christian will tell you he went to hell.

[@grace2you399]

Pray for me plz 🤕

[@Cantthinkofwhatshouldgohere]

Praying for you now 💛read Romans 8

[@rodelpasuit3048]

Those who commit suicide are not real born again believer

[@predator-hunter-31]

@Winter Jay anyone who takes their own life will not enter the kingdom of heaven but will fall directly into the pit. The fact one is feeling suicidal tells or shows me that the spirit of suicide is present and tempting that individual. Suicide is a spirit (just like the spirit of lust or hate or anger) Hell is a real and literal place. Dont wait until you take your last breath or your heart beats for the last time to discover that it really exist, because then it will be too late. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4LUfoSEhd5lgrc kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmiToKygl7CZqrM kzbin.info/www/bejne/iH6udWqCnLWhfpY

[@AntiVillain26845]

Those who blindly judge others' salvation are current-day Pharisees.

[@kaz9203]

Just lost a longterm beautiful friend to suicide. Devastating for all left behind. Worried about her soul. My heart bleeds

[@racheliacob4425]

kaz M pray for her ! Ask that God will accept her in heaven !

[@katmaw5910]

@Felix Mitchell what that person said is wrong and unbiblical - yet you have immediately jumped to cursing this person. Your bitterness does not edify but damage, sir. You should be careful not to simply throw out "fool".

[@soniaquintana1518]

Pastor Piper, I would just like to start by saying that I have listened to your sermons in the past and I believe God has work through you but with all due respect Pastor Piper, the bible clearly states that murder is a sin (Exodus 20:13). This means that "self murder" aka suicide is also a sin! There is no way around it and I think your theological validation of it isn't fair for those people who are watching this and are also suicidal because they might justify that it is ok when the Bible, God's word, clearly states otherwise. A sin is a sin is a sin. Sinners don't enter heaven without repentance, plain and simple. While there's life, there's hope. Without life there's no hope. If one takes their life, there's no hope as there is no time for repentance. Suicide is also saying that your problems are too large for God to fix them and that's never true. Respectfully a sister in Christ.

[@gnj802]

Sonia Quintana Yes very true I agree. Pastor Piper I believe is used by God and I've listened to his sermons he seems to preach from the heart and used by. But I definitely agree that you will not make it to Heaven through suicide no time to ask for forgiveness in the Bible clearly states that you should not murder and the only way to heaven is through Jesus and by hurting yourself or killing yourself you are going against the word of God he created us and we do not have the right to take our own life we are God's creation he and only He will take us in His will when he is ready. God bless you all and remember to smile because Jesus loves you. For those of you out there who are struggling please read Isaiah 46:4 in the Bible " even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you I will sustain you and I will rescue you. Thank you Jesus!!! Thank you for you loving mercy! Thank you Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen!

[@chrisreed12]

+George T the bible also says all sins are the same in God's eye so your saying if someone's last breath is cussing someone in anger that they go to hell?

[@rein163]

Sonia Quintana there is time for repentance.I have sliced my wrists long time ago,in the process of dying I regretted it,but my veins were already opened...I regretted it,I was not believer then.He saved me,didn’t allow me to die fortunately.What I’m trying to show you is that yes you can truly repent in split second while dying,and be forgiven.

[@ThaMobstarr]

Isn't this called legalism? So if you sin and the next minute you die and then let's say a drunk driver runs you over and you die, you will go to hell as a Christian? Do people really think that God sees us as either clean or not clean of sin at every second of our life? We are sinful till the end of our life. Only the blood of Jesus washes us clean. Do we have to repent again and again? Yes. But that's because Jesus wants us to change and we shall be in a repentant and obedient state of mind. We are saved nonetheless. I am strongly believing that even sinners who are in Christ are still in Christ, even after suicide. And even if they lied to someone and get killed by a drunk driver the next second. Still saved by the grace of God.

[@bisdakpinoy3428]

Sonia Quintana but murder is not “unforgivable” sin

[@lai238]

The fact that a person could be going threw hell on earth and only solution they find is taking there life just to end up in torment what a loving God

[@prico3358]

For example.. could there have been christians who jumped from the burning twin towers and chose that way was better than burning?.. .. i think yes.

[@goyensjonathandjalmoztfr33]

Spent a lifetime this way already. Though I've been a Christian for many years. I still want too. I just decided it probably won't ever get better but suicide isn't the way. It'd be awesome if I naturally died forgiven tonight though.

[@dontworrybehapppyy]

Jonathan Goyens hi, I struggle with pain too and just wanted to say please don’t ever give up.

[@user-vz7ci4tw4s]

Yeah me too. I hope the best for you Jonathan, I really do. It is so hard..but somewhere behind the dark clouds is the bright sunshine of Jesus Face waiting to be revealed to you. Be faithful to Him. You have done well. Don't lose your reward. "To him that overcomes will I make to be a pillar in the temple of my God.." Revelation It will be worth it all when you see Jesus Face at your judgment - He will heal you on the spot. If you wait. "Blessed are all they who wait for Him."

[@judyl.761]

I’ve been suicidal most of my life. I’m also born again. Let’s hang strong together.

[@biblebill6206]

As one who has and still at times does think of escaping it all , Hear this , do not deceive yourself . You can not commit suicide and still be given eternal life . See Rev 21 : 8 . You can't take the easy way way out you have to suffer . Think about what Christ went thru that will help greatly .

[@charleneriddle5995]

You are sadly mistaken. That Verse is referring to the lost soul that is a sinner who has not been washed in the Blood. You do not know anything about the Bible and this is a very serious matter, you should not be posting when you do not know your Bible at all.

[@biblebill6206]

@@charleneriddle5995 Nonsense , it says take up your cross , you can't take the easy way out , period . . It says in Hebrews talking about believers , we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed but those who believe and are saved . Obviously you spend very little time on your knees if any .

[@iWh15tl3]

Suicide always comes from the enemy or the flesh...murderers will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.

[@ErranPierce]

Neither will wrongdoers, drunkards, sexually immoral, or the greedy (paraphrase of 1 cor 6:9-10). Might as well say sinners won’t inherit the kingdom of God.

[@timothyphillips6863]

how about those with mental illnesses?

[@rosebeanvalentine7725]

JESUS SAID the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the holy spirit. You are not a Christian if you do not know that Jesus died for ALL sins.

[@sanrosario2562]

Laborer in the field fuck you

[@andyisdead]

@@rosebeanvalentine7725 So disbelief is forgivable? I mean a person who dies without believing in Christ

[@robertkadow3367]

Very good explanation, have to look you up more on you tube

[@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525]

I John 3:15...and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. what is murder? It's taking someone else life. whether another or yours. Only God can take a life because only Him can create Life. I Corinth 6:9 wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God.Rev.22:14-15 evil-doers including murderers will be outside God's dominion. Pastor John's example is if he gets an accident after he experience anger will God punish him for that? absolutely not, because he didn't' murder anyone. and It's actually quite foolish to make that kind of example as if your telling God that you can just die because you're angry and that God cannot save you through that accident? there's even a guy who had a plane crash and survived. why? It's because God is not done with you. Jesus said only those who will endure until THE END will receive the reward of eternity. You may sooth yourself with comforting advice like this, but if you base your faith in Jesus and the words of God. no way a suicider will inherit God's reward. Salvation is like a race according to Paul, that's why he said he fought a good fight, kept the faith, and finish his course.. suicider will never ever make it. God bless.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Well Murderers have repented so how do you explain that? Are they still not redeemable. According to your citation there is no room for mercy.

[@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525]

@@madelynhernandez7453 ahhhm have you read what I said? There's a difference between a repentance person and a murderer. Context lady, the argument here is suicide...can you still repent when you already kill yourself? And a murderer is not anymore a murderer if he she truly repented in the eyes of God. King David becomes a murderer once but he repented AND WAS FORGIVEN...can you be forgiven if you failed to ask forgiveness by taking your lives? And you cannot ask forgiveness and then take your lives that's stupid. Sin only manifest once it's done....if you haven't done it, u haven't done any sin yet.

[@nickshuler6633]

Food for thought, but, the bible says accept me, and admit i died for u on the cross, and confess your sins, from your lips, and from your heart, and nothing will ever seperate you from me, nothing, period, mental illness people is very real, and if you accept jesus, and you dont deny him, he wont deny you, but remember, i dont know you, and you dont know me, but you are loved, wanted, and needed, a plan is waiting for you, the design, has your name on it, it would be a shame to waste it, right?⛪⛪⛪⛪⛪💒🏰

[@sandramiller8701]

Elvis Presley was a firm believer in God a his songs of Gosple were very passionate a touching a his faith they say never wavered in God he was raised right by a good old fashioned Pentecost Christian mother a church but when his mom died he got lost like a lost sheep from God a he threw himself into his work singing ,,,,,after his divorce a loosing his child his mom a his baby twin brother Jesse who died at birth. he went through alot he was only human not perfect but he was the best singer in the world a so kind humble Genious a not Greedy w his wealth he helped people he was poor at heart then after he turned 40 a everything was going down hill he was used by people as a puppet his manger Parker his wife he loved drained him for money abandoned a left him taking his only child his health was failing him w drugs he was on a not eating right. then they say he OD killed himself. Do you believe Elvis will go to heaven his heart was always w Jesus Christ he even said on stage I'm no King to me there's only one to me that's Jesus Christ I'm just a singer. to me that proves he loved a admired the a did not deny his father in heaven. I believe in his heart even though everything he went through he knew God was there w him you ever heard him sing. where noone stands alone. I believe he wanted to be where noone stands alone. in away I also believe Elvis was childlike a scared a overwhelming by the biggest I con he became a couldn't handle it anymore. there are some people believe he faked his death got out to live a work for God. what is your opion of ELVIS Presley?????

[@marcaskew7846]

If you know anyone that's contemplating suicide ask that person can I pray for you

[@Kopiii123]

I know this is old but could u plz pray for me...

[@bean7496]

Me too

[@international_educator]

Me too

[@yamicanada]

❤

[@lyndalynda611]

Hi people, does this mean that police or army personnel cannot be Christian and continue with their jobs?

[@adeoluobatayo5013]

In that case Judas Ischariot should be in heaven after all he was with Christ for 3 years and ackowledged him as Lord! Pastor John,I have never disagreed with any of your teaching but with this I disagree. For those that are lead by the Spirit are sons of God.Romans 8:14. My Spirit bears witness with their spirit that they are sons of God.Rom 8:16. So if truly you are saved indwelled by the holy spirit would your last act of a live surrendered to Christ as a living sacrifice(Romans 12:1)be one of you of selfish act of taking the authority which you willfully surrendered to Christ back for yourself and in an act of rebellion against God's will? Not all those who say to me lord shall enter the kingdom but those who do the will of my father.I shall declare to them,depart from me,I never knew u,you who practice lawlessness.Matt 7:21-23. The holy spirit is the one at judgement that reveals those who truly gave their lives to him. "I never knew you".

[@marymilligan2330]

Adeolu Obatayo, I agree with you. Well put my brother! God bless you.

[@Kraken_Wildz]

What if you, as a Christian, have a prideful thought and then you immediately die in a car crash? Do you go to hell because of not being able to repent of the mistake? Or does the blood of Christ cover you?

[@Kraken_Wildz]

Judas Ischariot never truly followed Jesus. And he betrayed Him, sold Him for silver. Who could ever live with that? I'd kill myself too. What we're talking about here isn't a Judas type suicide. We are talking about a split second mistake where a Christian is depressed. Fairly similar to a Christian dying before repenting of a sin he just committed.

[@adeoluobatayo5013]

@@Kraken_Wildz That is what GRACE is for. There is a difference between living comfortably in sin with no conviction (Spiritually dead) and struggling with sin,the struggle is a sign of conviction from the Holy spirit.

[@adeoluobatayo5013]

@@Kraken_Wildz So how can you tell if that person truly followed Christ? What makes him different from Judas?

[@AquaMarino]

Sorry God but I do not faith and understanding right now.

[@jwm6262]

Arle L , you’re not alone

[@annalovesjesus345]

@@jwm6262 I'm praying for you..

[@Sunset873]

I don't know if his answers are encouraging suicidal people to go through with their plan because none of this makes since at all. The answer should have been a simple yes or No instead of all this convincing. I didn't get any of this at all!

[@ivanhuertas5307]

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