You Are More Sinful Than You Know, More Loved Than You Imagine

[@vernoicalolley6819]

Depression is awful, terrifying, but returning to Christ and the Bible has brought hope.

[@dave121594]

This message is a huge blessing for me. I too suffers from a depression that comes from feeling disgusted of myself because of the sin I see in my members. I feel so unworthy of God's grace. But thank you Ptr. John for reminding me that indeed I am loved more than I can imagine. That Christ's blood covers my imperfections. And that all these sins have been nailed to that cross. These makes me shout praise all the more to Christ who paid all of my sin. 😭

[@greektownchicago]

This was a tremendous blessing, I had never heard the "filthy rags" verse clarified like this before.

[@BlakStar1]

This part… “…but with every glimpse remind yourself of the infinite cost that was paid, SO THAT you don’t dishonor the beauties of the Lords sacrifice…BY HOLDING ON TO THE GUILT THAT HE PAID TO REMOVE” Wow.

[@melm190]

Yes, Amén! Thank you!

[@jerryvair4919]

I was there. The breakthrough is understanding what your vaule is to God. Your price is paid by the blood of Jesus Christ. You honor this gift by honoring God. Once your build a relationship with the Holy Spirit. You hold his commandments. Live right and share the gift. God bless you all.

[@mikeprice2467]

This comment is 3 years old, so I’m not sure you’ll see this, but if you do: how did you start to understand your value to God? Any video/book recommendations?

[@morgangreenlee2091]

"Christ died for my good deeds so they might be acceptable"

[@joelyons8238]

No one is good. Nor do we have good deeds. (Romans 3:10). Amen. The only good we do is because of the good of the Lord God Jesus Christ working in us, & through us. Amen.

[@joelyons8238]

Christ did not die for your good deeds. He died for your sins (1Peter2:24). Amen.

[@joelyons8238]

There is no good deeds in us. We are a filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). Amen.

[@STEVEinNC]

​@@joelyons8238Our polluted "good" works of our flesh are the filthy rags, but if we've been saved, then the fruit of the Spirit living in us produces good, righteous, God glorifying works. It's about works of the Spirit versus works of the flesh.

[@brodyswisher8085]

This sounds exactly like what I am going through. Thank you for sharing.

[@mitchelltj1]

This is so fitting as I'm on the path of fatherhood to a now 3 year old. It gives me an idea of how to discipline and delight in my son simultaneously. Thank you Pastor.

[@sharonkinsella7435]

I'm so deeply grateful for this message, Pastor John. Love to you, your family, Tony, and all who help you with your ministry.

[@JamesTsividis]

Great explanation. Thanks. Romans 12 is also a place that shows we can please God.

[@AtamMardes]

*Please explain,* *-In what context it is moral to turn children into voluntarily working servants?* *-In what context it is moral to treat voluntarily working servants as property?* *-In what context it is moral to pass voluntarily working servants on to children as permanent inheritance?* *-In what context it is moral to treat voluntarily working servants so bad that relatives shouldn’t be treated that way?* *-If slavery was voluntary, then why it is restricted to only foreigners?* Leviticus 25:44-46 However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to beat voluntarily working servants with many blows?* Luke 12:47 The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to beat voluntarily working servants as long as they don't die?* Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to kill non-virgin brides?* Deuteronomy 22:20-21 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to kill unruly children?* Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to slaughter infants?* 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and *infants,* cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

[@Matt.gaming1]

Wow. I’ve been so blessed by this. Almost in unbelief at how relieving this is.

[@sibyv]

Wonderfully explained... Gives me hope... Thanks Pastor John

[@TheLotusPanther]

This is brilliant the church needs this message!

[@rdbare4216]

Wonderful! I need to listen to it several times.

[@MsButterfly1179]

AMEN!!! WHAT A BLESSING THIS MESSAGE IS!!

[@isaacpadilla4895]

Thank you for this Pastor John it was such a blessing

[@christopher1791]

Bless u, Casey, for u can see the righteousness of God, God loves you

[@statesrights01]

Thank you Pstr. John for this... such a Blessing!!!!

[@angramp3430]

I'm going through a horrible depression right now. I keep over thinking everything.

[@saramobley3048]

Hello Ang Ramp. I can’t help but relate to this comment, and God has me in the same place. I’m in a season much like Casey in this video, and like you, because through over thinking and idolizing the acts of obedience in my life, I’ve made myself miserable and in places I never wanted to be, simply to glorify God and do what I thought He wanted. But He taught me through all of that, that He never just wanted my obedience, He wanted my trust, and He wants us to enjoy Him and take pleasure in Him. I’m praying for you and hope this helps.

[@julietorres7298]

I've been anxious and depressed lately. I'm a new Christian and am terrified of condemnation. I make things that aren't specific sins sin. I went crying last night to a church without telling my parents. They couldn't find me. My parents have been so worried and I don't have joy to show them from my walk with Christ. I'm so tired and without peace most of the time. I'm tired of feeling condemned and like if I mess up or decide something I feel might be bad but push it away, I'm being disobedient and will be damned. I love Jesus with all my heart I don't wanna hurt my best friend. I don't want hell. I hate sin. But I'm not sure if the things I overthink are sin or not. I wasn't eating unless my stomach growled because I thought it was greed. I thought for a bit that maybe bathing was a sin. I thought we had to keep the sabbath but found out it was a choice. I'm doing so much in those ways and feel like I should be punished for my past before salvation. Felt like I should go to jail for some of the things I did. I'm tired. I want to feel loved again. I want to feel his love again.

[@saramobley3048]

gabby 437 “For there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of spirit and truth has set us free from the law of sin and death.” Romans 8:1-2. Gabby you are no longer under condemnation for the things you have done in your past. When God looks at you He no longer sees those sins from before you were in Christ. I really encourage you to continue reading your word because Jesus did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it, and if you are in Christ Jesus, God sees Jesus when He looks as you because Jesus has paid the punishment you and I both deserved. “The LORD is merciful and gracious, Slow to anger and abounding in compassion and lovingkindness. He will not always strive with us, Nor will He keep His anger forever. He has not dealt with us according to our sins [as we deserve], Nor rewarded us [with punishment] according to our wickedness. For as the heavens are high above the earth, So great is His lovingkindness toward those who fear and worship Him [with awe-filled respect and deepest reverence]. As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us. Just as a father loves his children, So the LORD loves those who fear and worship Him [with awe-filled respect and deepest reverence].” ‭‭Psalms‬ ‭103:8-13‬ ‭AMP‬‬ Please read all of Psalms 103 and 104 and learn about Jesus kind character and mercy and LOVE FOR YOU! He does not want us to strive as Christians but to enjoy Him and love Him and obey Him. We don’t need to overthink the Christian life. Nothing we could do as a true born again believer in Christ can take away Jesus blood from us, because He died once and for all and His Holy Spirit has sealed us once we are His.

[@julietorres7298]

@@saramobley3048 thank you.

[@Toasty066]

@@julietorres7298 how’re doing now? I understand your struggle. Anxiety definitely isn’t what God wants for us. He wants to make our heart steadfast as it says „...:for it is good that the heart be established by GRACE..“ part of Hebrew 13,9 NKJV. Also he promised to give us peace: “And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful.” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ “casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.” ‭‭I Peter‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ “You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is stayed on You, Because he trusts in You.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭26:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ While we overthink everything we believe we need to control ourselves but we can’t without him. Put the focus aside of yourself to him. Whenever you think about your mess stop yourself and pray. Ask him directly what he thinks about that. And read his word so he can answer your questions. God bless you!

[@Flooofster]

That really was an amazing question.

[@douglasphillips24]

This is a True Hopefully Blessing to a new follower of Christ that has been tormented by thoughts of worthlessness & that I'm totally unable to live as God intends even though I can clearly see God's Hand at work in my life & my Family's life. The ugliness of sin tears at my Hope of Salvation through JESUS CHRIST with Scriptures of Hot or Cold that I'm a Lukewarm spewed out of God's mouth. Thank you for explaining a very confusing topic of our sins & how God is Faithful to Forgive a Humbly repenting Heart.

[@sydnifrancis1503]

I really needed this, this was wonderfully explained!

[@joelyons8238]

True RIGHTEOUSNESS is only pure in Christ Jesus, & not in oneself.

[@maximuspayne7354]

This subject is a highly complicated and difficult issue to discuss such as Pastor John has given here in 13 minutes. There are so many scriptures that have to be taken into consideration when describing a persons sin in relation to God's loving gift of grace. The answer given was in a nutshell and only touches on the surface of how God's word applies to a Christian or non Christian. It all sounds so wonderful the way Pastor John talks about it here but I'm sure there's much more to it than he had time to talk about. I'm no pastor or theologian but I've read and heard enough scriptures to know that being able to walk onto that narrow bridge to eternal life with Christ requires much from us to give up and sacrifice before you can cross it. With satan running things down here and influencing mankind to design it's societies that only serve satans desires to keep mankind in the dark. It's like being in the Matrix, when you find out you've been living a lie, will you or can you leave it. There are many that can but will not because they choose or are destined to walk in darkness.

[@AtamMardes]

*Please explain,* *-In what context it is moral to turn children into voluntarily working servants?* *-In what context it is moral to treat voluntarily working servants as property?* *-In what context it is moral to pass voluntarily working servants on to children as permanent inheritance?* *-In what context it is moral to treat voluntarily working servants so bad that relatives shouldn’t be treated that way?* *-If slavery was voluntary, then why it is restricted to only foreigners?* Leviticus 25:44-46 However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to beat voluntarily working servants with many blows?* Luke 12:47 The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to beat voluntarily working servants as long as they don't die?* Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to kill non-virgin brides?* Deuteronomy 22:20-21 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to kill unruly children?* Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to slaughter infants?* 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and *infants,* cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

[@wildcard4552]

Leviticus 25:44-46 "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." "Two verses make the entire matter clear: “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.” (Exodus 21:16, ESV) “You must not return an escaped slave to his master when he has run away to you. Indeed, he may live among you in any place he chooses, in whichever of your villages he prefers; you must not oppress him.” (Deuteronomy 23:15-16, ESV) These two passages outlaw slavery. You cannot steal a person, which means you cannot enslave a person against their will. You cannot sell a person, which means people are not property. If a person working for you wants to leave, they can, and the Law protects their freedom to do so. Slavery cannot survive in a society that follows these two laws. They lay a framework of freedom that shapes how every other law is read. Identifying “slaves” Let's examine these Leviticus 25:44 directly now: “As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you.” (Leviticus 25:44, ESV) At first, that seems bad. It seems to discuss exactly what the two passages above forbid. Or does it? Let’s examine the word for “slaves.” In Hebrew, it is the word ebed. As any Hebrew dictionary will tell you, this word can mean “servant,” “slave,” “minister,” “adviser,” or “official.” How do you know which of these it means at any given point? You examine the context. Based on the Exodus and Deuteronomy passages above, we can safely say that this word does not mean “slave” in Leviticus 25. It cannot, or else it breaks those two commands. The better translation, therefore, is “servant,” or in modern-day lingo, “worker” or “employee.” Next, examine the word for “buy.” Exodus 21:16 forbids owning and selling people, so how can Leviticus 25 allow buying people? Again, let’s look at what the word means. In Hebrew, this word is qnh, meaning “buy,” or “acquire,” or even “create.” Or in modern lingo, “hire.” Exodus 21:16 forbids selling people. So who is receiving the money in Leviticus 25:44? There’s only one possibility: the worker themselves. These two clarifications make it immediately clear: Leviticus 25:44 describes a hiring process, paying someone from a foreign nation to work for you. Let’s use these two bits of information to clarify the verse. Now it reads: “As for your male and female servants whom you may have: you may hire male and female servants from among the nations that are around you.” (Leviticus 25:44, ESV adjusted) Is there any moral atrocity in hiring foreigners to work for you? I can’t think of one. Some may object, asking “How do you this is hiring, instead of enslaving?” We rely on the two passages above. Exodus 21:16 makes owning and selling people a capital offense. It’s not simply wrong. Slavery is so offensive to God that anyone who sells another person instantly receives the death penalty. Further, Deuteronomy 23:15-16 clarifies that servants never lose their individual rights. They can leave their “masters” any time they want to, for any reason, and the Law protects their ability to do so. They can then live wherever they want in the land, meaning that they are not second-class citizens relegated to ghettos. Instead, they’re equals with everyone else in the land." - medium.com/koinonia/rejecting-the-ridiculous-idea-that-the-bible-ever-allowed-slavery-53ce4959f1ee

[@AtamMardes]

@@wildcard4552 Reading the Bible is not enough; you have to read the Bible and actually use your brain to think on your own to realize the fact that it was written by the early confused folks who were intellectually comparable to today's hypocrite Taliban.

[@AtamMardes]

@@wildcard4552 These verses were either inspired by an evil God or made up by bunch of delusional selfish, rapacious, sexist & low-intellect barbaric hypocrites who were intellectually comparable to the Taliban. *Deuteronomy 20:* *-* When you approach a city to fight against it, you are to make an offer of peace. *-* If they accept your offer of peace & open their gates, all the people there will become forced laborers to serve you. *-* But if they refuse to make peace & wage war against you, lay siege to that city. *-* When the LORD has delivered it into your hand, you must put every male to the sword. *-* But the women, children, livestock, & whatever else is in the city - all its spoil - you may take as plunder, & you shall use the spoil of your enemies that the LORD gives you. *-* This is how to treat cities that are far away & do not belong to the nations nearby. *Numbers **31:17**:* *-* Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

[@AtamMardes]

@@wildcard4552 If a book contains flaws & immoralities that can easily be cherry picked, then it's NOT the holy words of a moral, perfect, infallible & timeless God. Obviously some of the Bible is the words of delusional fallible humans who were intellectually comparable to the selfish, rapacious & sexist Taliban.

[@AtamMardes]

@@wildcard4552 Like most Christians, you probably have not read the Bible or you've read it improperly without actually thinking about it. Mark Twain, Issac Asimov, Albert Einstein, and Thomas Paine have read the Bible. *Question:* Do you honestly believe you have better reading comprehension than Mark Twain, Issac Asimov, Albert Einstein, and Thomas Paine? No offense just asking. "The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." Mark Twain "It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." Mark Twain "It (Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies." Mark Twain "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." Isaac Asimov "The Bible, a collection of honourable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." Albert Einstein "It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes." Thomas Paine

[@lukesalazar9283]

I'm glad I was sent this

[@saramobley3048]

Wow. Amazing question

[@thedaughterofmypeople6437]

"Soldier, what are you doing for the Kingdom of God? Are you waiting for a "word from God?" Then here it is: "Go" (Mark 16:15). What are you waiting for? Go somewhere; do something; say something to somebody, somewhere, somehow. One day you will be dead, and then it will be too late. While you can think, speak, move your hands and feet, do something for God. Are you content to sit in the barracks while the battle rages? Form a platoon. Give out tracts everywhere; speak for your God. Do something before the dust of apathy covers you." - Ray Comfort

[@bertan8510]

Thanks. This helps me so much

[@skareip]

This is a huge release

[@joelyons8238]

Ephesians 2:8-9 "FOR BY GRACE ARE YOU SAVED THROUGH FAITH, & THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD: NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST." Amen. 👇 1 John 1:10 "IF WE SAY WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE GOD A LIAR; & THE TRUTH IS NOT IN YOU." Amen.

[@salvamexico]

Depression si not a sin, sin is what we do with it. I know what depression is after a brain surgery. Don't let depression get you away from God, but in stead use to get closet to Him, be Brave, get up God is falthful... Psalm 23:3 "He refresh my soul..." (He restore my emotions)

[@neatstuff8200]

Thanks. I think most all of us struggle with this.

[@JessiV111]

Omgosh so helpful thank you

[@doonagoding6146]

Thank you!

[@doonagoding6146]

I have a hard time letting go of things I’ve done AS a believer that I fear has completely disqualified me

[@sirpolyester640]

I'm feel tormented by how sinful I am

[@monicadhaliwal1791]

Me too

[@joelyons8238]

Kayce read (John 8:32,36; Galatians 5:1). Amen.

[@alieslami2321]

Pass to light

[@alieslami2321]

Gracious pass to alcanall 5 team thanks pap jinx

[@joelyons8238]

Kayce, also read (Jude 1:24). Amen.

[@UnloadinClipz]

Great Stuff. Submit to The Holy Spirit. Fusion with the mind of The Father gives revelation and clarity naturally through the heart and then to the mind to be transformed. One Love Brothers and Sisters.

[@joestephan1111]

Modern Medical Research has well shown that Anxiety & Depression -- both of which I have had to deal with life-long -- are Diseases, not states of mind.

[@alieslami2321]

Light

[@nicholas3354]

Walking in The Light does not refer to doing good deeds. Light is how we see, it refers to walking able to see what is real and be aware what is false, especially in spiritual matters. The Light is Jesus, and doing good deeds is a package deal with Light, but the reason the word Light is used is to refer to specific characteristics that bring specific results; results such as seeing our own sin because Light lets us see. I just want to stress that when the word Light is used He is not poetically generalizing all goodness but rather we are talking about The Light who is also light.

[@AtamMardes]

*Please explain,* *-In what context it is moral to turn children into voluntarily working servants?* *-In what context it is moral to treat voluntarily working servants as property?* *-In what context it is moral to pass voluntarily working servants on to children as permanent inheritance?* *-In what context it is moral to treat voluntarily working servants so bad that relatives shouldn’t be treated that way?* *-If slavery was voluntary, then why it is restricted to only foreigners?* Leviticus 25:44-46 However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to beat voluntarily working servants with many blows?* Luke 12:47 The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to beat voluntarily working servants as long as they don't die?* Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to kill non-virgin brides?* Deuteronomy 22:20-21 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to kill unruly children?* Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear. * Please explain, in what context it is moral to slaughter infants?* 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and *infants,* cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

[@pounc3r782]

@@AtamMardes In what context is man more moral than God?

[@AtamMardes]

@@pounc3r782 Don't you think first you need to prove God is not just a figment of your fooled & indoctrinated delusional imagination then ask in what context is man more moral than God? Yes/No?

[@therandomstation335]

He needs to learn more about His portion in Christ and How God doesn't view in light of him but instead in light of who Christ is and what Christ had done

[@LovePatience32]

Can you explain more

[@not.enoughto.go.around6176]

@@LovePatience32 imagine being guilty of a crime yet the judge doesnt look at you but his own son who is innocent.

[@LovePatience32]

@@not.enoughto.go.around6176 amen

[@alieslami2321]

PASS TO JHON YEAH me too

[@pgm960]

There is a point of no return😢😢😢😡😡😡 I crossed the line!!

[@gravemind3590]

All sins and blasphemies shall be forgiven men but blasphemy against the holy spirit shall not be forgiven men. Blasphemy against the holy spirit it's constant rejection of who Jesus is and the Holy Spirits desire to draw you to the Son. So as long as you are alive you can and will be forgiven if you ask for it. The only thing that cant be forgiven is never coming to Him at all. Even if you fall away He says I will never leave you or forsake you.

[@benitojohngenitojr.5608]

The Mind of the Flesh is sinful, and like Filthy rags,... the reason that it ends to death.

[@alieslami2321]

Pass to jhon BOT

[@alieslami2321]

No thanks

[@smokyquartz5817]

This is exactly what an abusive relationship sounds like. So fucked up.

[@johnsavage8873]

This sounds like bunch of crap!

[@20july1944]

That is such an obvious lie. Pipee doesn't believe God loves most people "more than they know". In fact, if Pipee's right, God *hates* most people "more than they know" *and* hated them before *creating* them for the glory of punishing them. I don't know why Pipee would choose to answer in a podcast a question that so starkly shows the incoherence of his theology.

[@20july1944]

Zenmarkdev: That's one of the key implications of Calvinism, and in higher Calvinism it is even a greedily proclaimed principle of Calvinism. Perhaps you're not a Calvinist, of course, but Pipee definitely is.

[@20july1944]

Zen: I know the argument, and it is objectively wrong. Jesus said His Father loves everyone because He sends sustaining rain and nourishment, but either that's not "love" or "love" has a secondary, bizarre meaning. Think about it. If God "loves" everyone because He sends sustaining nourishment for a while: -- I "love" tomato plants and -- ranchers "love" cattle and -- farmers "love" pigs and -- shepherds "love" sheep. In all five cases, we do *not* "love" the things we are nourishing, we are all *cultivating* these living things for our ultimate, selfish purposes. QED, God does *not* "love" the nonelect, it is a stupid argument to attempt to sustain. The most evil Calvinists eschew it completely and revel in the blood and shit and filth and horror that God knowingly causes, even if He doesn't "predestine" it. Let's face the ugly truth and not mar the beautiful true meaning of "love" with "I gave it some water so I could eat it later."

[@20july1944]

Zen: No, I'm absolutely not a Calvinist -- I am an anabaptist (like Mennonites or Holiness or Nazarenes). Thus, my challenge was directed at Calvinists and thus used Calvinist assumptions as a basis for discussion.

[@JonahEby]

zenmarkdev he's a wolf, stirring up trouble among the brotherhood instead of building up the body of Christ.

[@20july1944]

Jonah: Or I'm a brave sheep diving into a den of Calvinist wolves. Zen: You have to decide for yourself using your logic (and free will, which Calvinists claim you don't have) who is right.