Is Drinking Alcohol a Sin?

[@IAMNationX]

A month sober and found God, pray for me

[@raulbarasa5855]

Prayers for you brother

[@piesho]

Lucky you. I have been sober my entire life and haven't been able to find this guy god. Perhaps I don't really need it.

[@ginaxs7975]

@@piesho You need God. We all do bb. Praying for you❤

[@4knewt505]

24 years sober and i'm a better version of myself. You can do it.

[@joshlampman8717]

Awesome, 5 months for me brother

[@tatveel]

"Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit" Ephesians 5:18

[@brozkeeper]

Drunk...the keyword there

[@2ndPigeon]

Good think I'm a big fan of spirits. Is Jagermeister a spirit?

[@johnchernabcinterviewandca3153]

Depends on the circumstance. It’s not that simple. Lot’s of analysis ranging from mens rea, objective intent, and bio / physiological reactions to alcohol.

[@jesseskavaril1636]

@Jaime Villa yes I did😀

[@jesseskavaril1636]

@Jaime Villa I know but I just couldn't resist

[@t82277]

Drank moderately in my early years as a born again Christian, but as the Lord matures you through his spirit,his word and trials, the grace he has given me has put me of alcohol.Its not sinful per se but has dulled my mind and my overall sensitivity to the spirit that i have found harder to relinquish as easily.

[@geersmuziek]

I think that everything that distracts us from our relationship with God is bad. Looking television, drinking alcohol, looking pornografical movies, driving to hard, eating to much, daydreaming etc. We must be awaken all day long for hearing what the Holy Spirit wants us to do. That isn't possible when your mind is in a state of distraction.

[@catfishcool]

I believe if you do something and God condemns it in your heart you should stop immediately and repent

[@asjadahxmed8601]

Why should you repent when your sins are already forgiven?

[@JordonDev]

@@asjadahxmed8601 Your sins aren't forgiven until you repent and change.

[@asjadahxmed8601]

@@JordonDev jesus pbuh according to Christianity he came to pay for our sins you can correct me if i am wrong. So what is the point in repenting when our sins are already forgiven?

[@JordonDev]

Jesus paid the price to open a pathway to allow you to go to heaven. Sin separates us from God, and God has always been a God of sacrifice. Jesus was the sacrifice. If you never repent from your sins you will never be forgiven, as you reject Jesus. Simple as that bro

[@asjadahxmed8601]

@@JordonDev jesus came as a sacrifice for what sacrifice for our sins and now he has been sacrificed which means our sins are forgiver past and future. Here is my question why should you repent when your sins are already forgiven? The question is very simple and you are not answering this directly

[@Rampaigee]

If drinking causes you to do something that doesn't glorify God, dont do it. If you turn it into an idol, seeking it for comfort, it becomes a sin. It's like money. Money is not inherently bad, but the love and obsession of it is. Putting anything before God is a sin.

[@nondumisogasser7155]

great explanation.

[@codycarlson9441]

I feel exactly the same way :)

[@mrplayboyinternational.1999]

The bible doesn't say comfort is idolatry.

[@zerothreefive6014]

@@mrplayboyinternational.1999 I think seeking it for a vice is a better way of what he is saying

[@cynicalsayonara7169]

The Bible doesn’t agree with you.

[@lecreciahanley8057]

Im a born again Christian I just got baptized two weeks ago I have been staying sober but I had a drink yesterday and I feel bad I feel a little discouraged please pray for me I love Jesus but I struggle sometimes

[@chosenlight7289]

Amen you are in my prayers

[@soundidesign9653]

God be with you. If it is a problem you battled with, hand it over to the Lord. Love you and you will be in my prayers.

[@cutedpanda00]

Noah got drunk but he is good person on God sight

[@cybermop]

please read bible . if you get time then read also quran

[@mirandabri834]

@@cutedpanda00 ..... Do you think that Noah didn't ask for God's Forgiveness? Hope this helps.

[@torythewild6409]

“Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.” - 1 Peter 5:8 “Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will.” - Romans 12:2 Just gonna leave this right here

[@johnchernabcinterviewandca3153]

So headache’s are a sin bc headaches makes people dizzy and thus sober-minded ........

[@josephd7593]

John Chern headaches are not willfully or purposefully self-induced haha so no it’s not a sin to get a headache

[@kylelikeskjvbible]

That scripture isn't from the KJV. 1 Peter 5:8-9 "8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world." KJV. Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." KJV. Its very close my friend, but for English speakers, only the KJV is scripture.

[@code5829]

Yes but my mom believes whatevrr is “normal” must be good. She is lost. Won’t listen

[@laurensquires6324]

Figuratively it’s to be watchful. It says “sober-minded”. It means to be watchful, vigilant, awake spiritually. We must have sober minds for a number of reasons. The key to this verse is not simply alcohol.

[@meta4282]

Whatever takes your focus off the narrow road is bad for you. For some guys it's beer, for others it's golf or eating pizza. The devil will not tempt you with something that which you are naturally inclined not to do - ie: Example :The devil will not temp Pst. John Piper with beer, because that's a non-issue for the pastor, the devil might tempt him with something else which he has an affinity for, like spending too much time in front of the TV etc. What is your affinity? How do you guard against being submitted to your affinity? That's the business end question here. I love PS3 and KZbin and if I don't watch out, 3 hours will have passed. That's just as bad as being drunk in my eyes.

[@cherishdeb]

amen, good explanation

[@tanishac7795]

Marachenka ....excellent

[@thomasmorrison8928]

Marachenka agreed, it's about inclination. i am not tempted to consume mass quantities of booze. yes, i will have a beer with BBQ, but not all of the time. i avoid the Chinese buffet though, lol.

[@liliancollins3627]

Yes. Anything not moderated that you put before God in excess.

[@FlyTour69]

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Drunkenness seems to be a pretty big deal. Make no mistake; wasting time is nowhere near as bad as getting drunk.

[@emja1073]

Gluteny is a sin, but we still eat and eating is still a good thing . Drunkenness is a sin, but I think it follows the same principle.

[@tarsisalvarado4657]

You're weird eating food and drinking alcohol at two different things you don't need to drink alcohol to survive

[@jojo_inspire]

@@tarsisalvarado4657 True but you don't need to constantly eat a bag a Cheetos to survive either. We're even commanded to fast often. So we should be abstaining from foods often to crucify the flesh. Meaning too much of "anything" including food is bad.

[@lovepeople951]

How is drunkness defined?

[@Josiahministries]

@@lovepeople951 the Bible basically says it's when you're not sober anymore. The Bible says be sober, be vigilant. You can have one or two beers and still be sober.

[@Josiahministries]

@Tim V yea i guess it depends on the person, but being sober is the main thing. Anything that's gets you out of your mind (getting high, prescription pills, codeine etc) are all included

[@johnmacdonald3282]

I finally at the age 51 gave up about 4 years ago and what a blessing I am so grateful and continually thankful to God Almighty as I could never have achieved this myself. Young Christians dont be fooled by thinking it's okay. Not many can drink in moderation.

[@chuckwright8889]

Yes, very many can. Sorry you are not one of them, but kudos for knowing that it's not for you.

[@arthurwolfgramm4823]

Amen

[@flyflyaway1371]

@@chuckwright8889 Very foolish. Very many can not. Those say they can should consider if they really can. You are deceiving yourself

[@chuckwright8889]

@@flyflyaway1371 you disgusting pharisee.......Jesus, and the First Miracle. You can't handle Biblical truth when it goes against your legalistic notions.

[@flyflyaway1371]

@@chuckwright8889 Very disgusting in the way you talk to others. Continue being a drunk and a homosexual see how far that gets you into the heavenly kingdom pal. You love worldly things no wonder you get angered so easily when faced with truth from scripture!

[@Kdm_films]

I got saved and kept on drinking alcohol after that but obviously controlled myself to not get drunk. As much as I was able to limit myself.... the truth is that my flesh just got stronger with every sip and it became harder to fight temptations. I might be able to fight the temptation of drinking more glasses, but I wasn’t full on sober either 🤷🏽‍♂️. Personally I just made a decision to not drink alcohol at all.... I literally don’t need it I can drink soda. Alcohol has just always interfered... either my fleshly temptations take over, I drink too much or I become reckless. Just decided to stay away... I don’t need it🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️.... what’s the purpose of drinking it anyways

[@aquila813apologetics3]

wine is a gift from God. It is made completely clear

[@victorflores7973]

Soda is worse than alcohol buddy

[@garyibelieve483]

My sentiments exactly God bless you stay away it's the best choice.

[@skippy675]

Jesus literally supplied the booze at a wedding feast. I am pretty sure that nobody drove home from that wedding. Nobody is suggesting that getting hammered all the time is a good thing. But on special occasions let loose and live a little.

[@garyibelieve483]

So true what is the point of drinking poison you get a buzz some people get violent with their loved ones it is just so silly. A soda can give a buzz as well, and will never cause any trouble onya.

[@ZukoMbewu]

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

[@coff2x387]

You can’t use and Old Testament law in the Christian dispensation..

[@progodspeed2311]

@@coff2x387 Proverbs isn’t technically OT Law... it’s general wisdom that is definitely still relevant for Christians today. That said, as a Christian and dual-certified beer and wine expert, Proverbs doesn’t condemn moderate drinking. Written by Solomon right? Lol he had vineyards according to Ecclesiastes, so there is no way he can also condemn it... it wouldn’t be consistent. The context makes better sense if heavy drinking was being talked about... and it sure looks like it in the surrounding verses in Proverbs

[@coff2x387]

@@progodspeed2311 thank you for your reply..Romans 15:4 whatsoever things are written aforetime is written for our learning etc. I understand the purpose of for the psalms & proverbs however Christians will be judged base the Christian dispensation. And keeping with the content drinking is not a sin drunkenness is. Romans 14:13 let us not therefore judge one another anymore but judge this rather that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brothers way.

[@evand.850]

I feel like this is a hard one because we tend to tell ourselves what we wanna hear.

[@nathanalane2674]

I so appreciate measured, wise, fair and Biblical answers from you Dr Piper. No one can say of you on this topic that you treated the topic unfairly. God bless you.

[@BRUISER14]

what Dr John Piper is saying here is that if you get drunk when you drink alcohol or if it causes a stumbling block for you or someone else then its a sin.

[@danielmcknight9564]

Anthony Jimison poisoning your body is a sin. Period.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Daniel McKnight Vinegar is a poison. We still consume it in our food. A bottle of it might kill you. Many things we eat and drink is toxic.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

FirstName Last That's my point. Two or three bottle of beer won't harm you depending on your size. Water could be poison if you drink it too many liters. Over consumption of vinegar also has negative health effects. It should be taken 30ml per day but go ahead and drink a bottle and you are in trouble.

[@deebonash4487]

@@ReasonAboveEverything abuse is the word

[@jerrihill-sullivan8138]

@@ReasonAboveEverything are you drinking these 2 or 3 bottles of beer "daily?" and it doesn't hurt? too much sugar makes you fat, THATS a sin. If I'm a recovering alcoholic, I get saved, I go to a restaurant and see you sitting there drinking beer or some other drink...I'm a new Christian, not real bright in the things of the Lord, so "I" go, "OH wow, so I CAN drink..I start up again, and end up too much..back on the road I just came from." when you go to heaven and face God do you think he is going to show you the "Video so to speak," of that very event, and what it did to me? I don't know. But I SURE as heck am NOT going to take that chance..Hell is NOT worth it..!!! BUT that's just me.

[@willhaynes3505]

Drinking alcohol isn't a sin. Getting drunk from alcohol is. Pretty simple

[@bethechangeyouwannaseeinth9488]

so you say drink it but not be drunk....haha touch but not kiss...kiss but not f........bullshit....if it is harmfull in little then it will in big size...

[@lisabaltzer3163]

I am 57 and have not yet had my first drink and never will! It is not a religious issue with me but is a result of coming from a family of alcoholics. I made that decision at four years of age! I saw what it did to my family and I vowed that no child of mine would ever see me drunk and my husband would never have to deal will a drunk wife and unfit mother.

[@ajosh5762]

+Lisa Baltzer just cuz he take one drink doesn't make you an alcoholic it's called moderation.

[@lisabaltzer3163]

+A JOSH I know that but for me the risks were too great. One side of my family are almost all alcoholics, so I decided it wasn't worth the risk for me.

[@lisabaltzer3163]

+A JOSH PS. I was abandoned on a street corner at four years old with a three year old sister by a drunk mother. A woman picked us up and took care of us for a week while she located our father. Her name was Rena Wigger and I will never forget what she did for us. I just found out she owned a few drug and alcohol rehab centers in Los Angeles and the centers are still in business even though she is no longer with us.

[@giuffre714]

When Jesus turned water into wine the master of the banquet said "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, but you have saved the best till now". - John 2:10

[@YengshaiXiong]

When you do anything to the point of being drunk in it and cannot will yourself to stop the habit then it is sin. "I have the right to do anything," you say--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right to do anything"--but I will not be mastered by anything. - 1 Corinthians 6:12

[@truth8307]

Then why Christianity promote liquor ?

[@SouthEast77]

Please pray for me I have been struggling with alcholisim all my life and have not drunk for 2 weeks now but am finding it very tough

[@Jesusislord22]

I struggle with this 2 I will pray for u

[@elenanash8081]

Proverbs 23 applies to me! I'm a recovering alcoholic... Nuf said.♡

[@jimmyjam3753]

Thank you for complete freedom from addiction in your daughter Elena's life in The Mighty name of Jesus!

[@Terrance865Blu]

God bless you and I pray you are still strong in your sober nature. May God bless you and I speak life unto you! In Yeshua's name I pray

[@rickweiss2793]

If you ever get tempted to drink again just read the bible. Trust me IT WORKS!!!

[@denisejackson776]

@ Wow, wise words,makes a lot of sense,words hv power,so why wld you keep reminding yourself or speaking that over yourself? Great observation 👍

[@ameetorres9]

May God makes easy for you.

[@berryjeyasingh3826]

After we become His children, He comes and lives in our hearts and His Spirit will guide us in the right path(the narrow way). When we choose to trust Him in faith and desire to stay on course(despite our weaknesses that causes us to stray once in a while), He will help us to let go of useless things(useless for His plan and purpose) from our lives, with or without our knowledge. He shall purify the sons of levi !thanks be to the Lord & our Savior Jesus Christ for His mercy and grace.

[@mjl0611]

Very good explanation. I have the same problem Pastor John has: I tend to be an addictive person and that is why I’ve been trying not to drink alcohol

[@Tr1Hard777]

Too much of anything is bad

[@joemonroe9456]

@Topspeed350 Be sober (nepho) wasn't a suggestion. Look not on the wine when it is red (fermented). In other words, drink the non alcoholic wine (grape juice). "your presses shall break out with new wine (grape juice)"

[@timyu3473]

Except for god!! Lol I cant get enough of him, and jesus

[@121dias]

Too much money is good

[@schwinnbike18]

Especially alcohol!

[@hawk12983]

​@joemonroe9456 non-alcoholic wine didn't exist when the Bible was written

[@joelyons8238]

1 Peter 5:8 "BE SOBER, BE VIGILANT: BECAUSE YOUR ADVERSARY/ENEMY, THE DEVIL, LIKE A ROARING LION, WALKS ABOUT SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR." Amen.

[@lisabaltzer4190]

I am a complete abstainer and have never had a drink, but it isn’t because of religious reasons. My drunk mother dumped me on a street corner in downtown Los Angeles when I was 4 years old. I vowed then and there NEVER to touch alcohol, and at the age of 64, I have kept that vow.

[@redghost3170]

Problem is, alcohol has become an idol around the world. Some can’t even get together with friends and family without having booze.

[@paulgrimm7842]

Being a drunkard is a sin.

[@madisonmclendon7191]

define Drunkard. please be specific. what makes it so you are drunk and not just feeling the effect from alcohol? does that make sense?

[@Ps-Games121]

Agree!!!

[@tonypreston7278]

Being drunk*

[@hawk12983]

​@@madisonmclendon7191right like is it just overindulgence at any single time or to where it is all the time and has negative effects on your life?

[@torduc22]

Everything that is made by God, including alcohol, is inherently good, because the Lord is good - but because of sin, what's good can be tainted, so like Pastor Piper said, it's very important to center ourselves with God first so we don't idolize things around us, including alcohol.

[@josiecabrera069]

I prefer not to drink!!!

[@McScott76]

And that is perfectly fine. "Whether therefore you eat or drink or whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God." I just think we all need to remember how to distinguish between our preferences and what actually constitutes "sin."

[@eliasshaffer1978]

Josie Cabrera IKR

[@danialm8122]

Respect.

[@internetlurker1850]

Ok, that is your choice.

[@noelbryson7840]

Josie Cabrera good decision..

[@7lord12]

Luke 1:15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.

[@regul8or71]

Context. Context. Seems like you're cherry-picking one verse that refers to a very specific situation, in spite of various other verses that say that wine is fine to drink (under proper circumstances).

[@McScott76]

Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’" Between John the Baptist and Jesus, who do you think we are supposed to emulate as Christians?

[@bisdakpinoy3428]

Edward Augustus That was John the baptist

[@peytonsingh6258]

suporta tabang It says “the Son of man” in the second part my friend. God bless

[@supervictor5401]

I think that drinking is okay every once in a while. Becoming consumed in alcohol is straying you off the path.

[@outdoorexperience8723]

Good point

[@truth8307]

Why do you think they claimed Jesus turned water into wine ?

[@truth8307]

All part of the trick, check these 20 evidence especially the first 4 and the last paragraph: 20 IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that proved Bible God is likely FAKE, don't miss the last paragraph that explains them all: 1) A creator god claimed to be all mighty should be the oldest and only religion but all the pagans, Greek, Chinese, Hinduism religions existed earlier. This proved their Creator claim fake. 2) Jesus similarities with Buddha. Maya to Mary, miracle pregnancy to virgin pregnancy, birth during a journey home to from home, prophesied soon after birth, both had a disciple who betrayed them, walked on water, Gautama left the palace at age 29 and Jesus appeared at 29, Gautama became Buddha at 35 and Jesus died and resurrected at around 35 too, Buddha had a big meal while Jesus had a last supper before they died, after they passed away, 500 arahants witnessed compilation of Buddha's teachings and over 500 witnesses to Jesus's resurrection etc. All coincidental ? Beside Buddha, Jesus was also found to be copied from other figures. Surely they can't be ALL coincidental. 3) Many of the Bible's mythologies was copied from older pagans, Greek, Egyptian or Hinduism religions(note the names too) E.g. Adam & Eve from Atman and Jiva, in Hinduism, big flood and survivor Noah/3 sons same as Manu/3 sons although cause of flood is different. Even the names of Abraham and wife/sister Sarah close to Brahma and Saraswathi beside having quite similar story. Regardless of which religion copied which, it proved this god is NOT the only true god or all mighty as it doesn't makes sense for an ALMIGHTY GOD to create or allow more copies or religions. 4) Why should a true all mighty and all knowing God allowed their people to branch off and kill their parent religion Judaism or Zoroatruism ? "Free will" as an excuse is not acceptable as earlier they claimed their God killed all people with a big flood(without freewill) because they sinned. 5) The way they collect tithings during Sunday mass is so tricky. They know people will be shy not to pay or tend to pay more when others could be watching. This is why they don't just use a stationed money box like Buddhism, Hinduism or Chinese temples where people can donate anytime. Catholics and Islam made it even bigger by suggesting donation of a certain percentage of their income. 6) The Bible condemned non-followers, clearly mentioned in Mark's words 16:16. Why should a Creator God's religion condemn non-believers when in the first place, they claimed their God created the world? Isn't this like playing both sides of the same coin, both good and evil ? 7)Not knowing why or how the world exists don't mean that it was created by a god. Now "Creator" idea got stale, they use "Intelligent Design" What is so intelligent in its design? If people don't need to go to toilet and don't have unpleasant feelings or sufferings, then I will call it an intelligent design. 8)Wisdom, mindfulness and meditaion are not taught or encouraged by them because they don't want their followers' minds to be clearer and wiser. 9)The Bible copied very much from older religions but not the theory of karma because karma idea defeats the purpose of the all mighty God and it will prevent people from doing bad deeds. Saying God love or forgive sins is a trick playing both sides of the coin. 10) The way the church preached and claimed simply lacked substance and logic. If you ask them intelligent question, they will always be evasive and say you are a troll or using the same circular reasoning tactic. 11) It don't makes sense to claim that only their believers will go to heaven and others don't since they claimed their God created all people. Such claim is an insult to other religions and cultures and caused people to divide. A good religion should be non-sectarian, secular and treat all people equally. 12)Most major festivals and holidays related to Christianity are fake including Christmas(Jesus can't be born in winter), Easter, Thanksgiving, Good Friday, All Souls, Halloween and even New Year are copied from paganism. 13) Using fear like hell or "end of the world" every 2 years but we are still here. 14) The fraud case of Mother Teresa(Google it) and after she died, those money she collected was not returned to India. 15)If their God is all-mighty, why need missionaries to convert others ? 16) The ongoing child sex abuses committed by the pastors/priests that I read so often. 17) The Bible is full of lust(Solomon's part), evil and violence. Their God killed countless people when Satan only killed a few. 18) The Bible condemned dogs because they know dogs are man's best friend. Making men lonely is the best way to keep them dependant on religion. 19) If God created everybody, why then condemn LGBT or other religions ? 20) Incidents, eg: (a) U.S., U.K, France, Italy, Spain, Brazil, Mexico are all high Christianity population countries and more people died from Covid-19, over 400K Americans alone !! (b)The Air Asia plane crash of killed 41 church members, 2 missionaries and their few month old baby. Only 1 reason can tie up all 20 points above, this God was man-made to con or control people.

[@truth8307]

@@outdoorexperience8723 not good, beware.

[@outdoorexperience8723]

Stanley Tai what? That didn’t make much sense 😂😂😂

[@RyanAustinDean]

1. Is it a sin? If you can’t find your answer in the first question, ask the second: 2. Is it wise?

[@McScott76]

It may be wise. It depends on the context. Here's an example... I come home worn out and stressed from work. I really want to spend quality time with my kids, but I know I'm physically and emotionally exhausted and am likely to be impatient or short with them. I pour a glass of wine and sip it as I ask God to give me patience. The wine helps me unwind and reset my mind before I play with my kids. To me, that's a wise use of wine. And before you go on some tangent about how "you shouldn't need wine... you should just trust God"... let me ask you, if you had a headache would you take Advil or trust God? Do you drink coffee in the morning to help "pick you up?" Why not just trust God? Wine has medicinal properties. It helps calm nerves. So no, it is not necessarily sin to drink. And yes, it may be wise. It all depends on context.

[@lienchongloi]

Christianity is the source of rationalism Don't be against it

[@frederickkado7763]

@@McScott76 is it possible to ask God to reset your mind without first pouring a glass of wine? Im sure God can do all things by Himself. Just a thought.

[@McScott76]

Frederick Kado Sure, it’s possible. Just like it’s possible to ask God to take away a headache and then take a couple of Advil too. It was also possible for Timothy to ask God to heal his chronic ailments, and yet Paul advised he drink wine for his stomach (1 Timothy 5:23). The Pharisees claimed that Jesus was a drunkard because he chose to drink wine after making the opposite indictment of John the Baptist, claiming he had a demon because of his abstinence and odd dietary practices (Luke 7:33-34). Was it “unwise” for Jesus to drink wine, knowing the Pharisees would claim he abused it? Pharisees will always find a way to project their legalism on other believers. Not much has changed in 2,000 years.

[@frederickkado7763]

@@McScott76 If we try to understand Jesus in biblical context more, you will be never comprehend him. There are other contexts such as Jesus cursing the tree that did not bear fruit on his way to Jerusalem. Leave the pharisees aside, we dont have to do the same and go cursing every tree that does not bear fruit. You and I both know that God's grace can heal anyone and you wouldnt need wine to help the healing. Also wine during Jesus time was 8 parts water to one part wine which is way weaker than the strength of wine existing in modern day. To compare wine without studying the alcohol and fermentation processes in Jesus time vs modern day would lead to a whole new misleading conclusion. Wine was also a preferrable beverage at that time since water was not as safe for drinking. I gather you have not looked into this pockets of research any further. Drinking water standards were not as safe as it is in modern day. The fermentation involved in making wine made it a safe option and therefore it was the preferred beverage. Another interesting factor is that the ratio of 8 parts of water to one part wine made it safe for children to consume it without being intoxicated. You would need 21 standard cups to be intoxicated. The pharisees are people who only studied the law without studying aspects beyond the law. That lack of additional knowledge leads them to lack a proper understanding of the way Jesus enacted himself. We have full knowledge of the truth, lets not obstruct it with our own bias.

[@rolandverboon2745]

I love Yeshua and I love wine. Relax and enjoy your drink. You can even pray better drinking a good Cabernet Sauvignon or Malbec or whatever. Don't make life too complicated for yourself and others, Just don't get drunk!

[@Freshnewz10]

Drinking Alcohol is not a sin the problem is we live in culture in America where people to enjoy themselves depend on alcohol. That’s not sober minded because if you can’t have fun without alcohol then that’s a problem. Another reason is because most of the environment where alcohol is in places where it leads to sin. I use to drink for wrong reasons but I never like the taste of alcohol. I came to realize that I wasn’t being myself and only trying to fit in or perhaps feel brave to dance at a party or talk to a pretty girl.

[@pghmoore]

This was 100% me!

[@truthtube1000]

Its simple...drinking may not be a sin...but drunkenness is..so be careful...because you may become a drunkard/alcoholic.

[@JepMaster8]

Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for *wine, or for strong drink*, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household. Alcohol can be very enjoyable without you having to be drunk. Being piss drunk is the sin. Everyone in their right mind especially in this day and age could tell when they are getting a little tipsy and stop drinking. It's not easy to get drunk without much effort. If you are not responsible, don't drink alcohol.

[@storytime6263]

JepMaster8 Jesus turned water into wine for a party for a marriage. They where celebrating enjoying themseleves not drunk and not knowing what they where doing. It was also the best wine they had! I would lile to taste that wine amd have a drink with my Lord Jesus.

[@ChrisPeteG]

One thing I feel blessed for never being pulled to was drugs/alcohol/parry lifestyle. I had other battles to overcome, but those specifically were not among them.

[@1mm0rta1tJ]

I think its as simple as this. If you drink wine, beer or even the hard stuff. If you catch a slight buzz and your reading a book, watching a great movie, or just sitting on your patio enjoying a relaxing evening, this is not a sin. Unless, the alcohol causes you to suddenly stand up and start flipping off passing cars, yelling obscenities at your neighbors, or beating your wife and kids. If you wouldn't normally do these things, and you let the alcohol influence you into doing these things, then you let the alcohol CAUSE you to sin. You are still responsible for your actions even when your drunk or buzzed. You won't be able to tell God that you wouldn't normally have done that because you were drunk. You are responsible for your actions at all times. Drunk or not. However, if you can drink a little alcohol and not let it cause you to do sinful things, then its not a sin. If you drink and become an addicted drunk, then that too is obviously a sin because the Bible says all drunks are condemened. Does drinking a little alcohol make you a drunk? I don't think so because like the pastor said, even Jesus made and drank wine. Was he a drunk? Of course not. Also, I have read somewhere that at the founding of the USA, everyone drank beer because the water was impure and the beer was. So did all our founding fathers, mothers go to hell because they drank beer? I doubt it

[@jonesgerard]

Drunkeness is not a sin, people do drunk crap when drunk. Its a sin to start to drink when knowing fully well what it leads to, if drinking is a problem for that person. The most insane thing an alcoholic does is take the first drink, they are separated from God by sin, by their insanity.

[@danielmcknight9564]

jonesgerard drunkeness is not a sin but drinking is? You made 0 sense though I know what your trying to say. You shouldn't drink at all...

[@waynelawson1235]

If you are "buzzed" then your intoxicated. Looks like you wrote your own gospels.

[@ryanrivas9042]

@@jonesgerard Hey, sorry man but if you believe in the Bible then you have to believe it's a sin. I mean it does say multiple times that it IS a sin...

[@andrewk8636]

Buzzed? That's already controlling you to. Some extend. Buzzed is sin. Once you're buzzed you gave power of your choices to a substance or whatever stands behind the substance

[@keepingprivate]

Condemn alchohol and cigarettes, which both are bad for your physical health, but say nothing of other bad habits such as consuming foods such as sugar which causes diabetes, fatty foods which cause obesity which leads to clogged arteries and heart disease.

[@atwongyeirerobert5676]

Great enlightenment, God bless you Papa John!

[@MomLAU]

I'm a Christian, and I drink a little bit on occasion. I have known a lot of non-drinking "Christians" who are prejudiced against other races or nationalities. (Of course, many of them say, "I'm not prejudiced...") I think prejudice is worse than drinking IN MODERATION. Also, I was taken advantage of and heavily criticized and judged by a "Christian" who didn't drink. I'd rather have an occasional drink than to be like that.

[@mannyaleixo4402]

Me too I drink occasionally I truly enjoy it with a nice meal or just to enjoy it with friends and family. I know drunkenness is a sin but not drinking it. But if I’m going to make another believer to stumble than I won’t drink it. It’s all about to give God the Glory not myself.

[@susanmintzer5144]

Good luck to you you may influence your children or grandchildren

[@mannyaleixo4402]

It’s not a sin to have a alcohol beverage. Drunkenness is a sin and to make others to stumble because of their disagreement of you having a drink.

[@susanmintzer5144]

You can drink if you want to but let's face it we are to livecontroled by the holy spirit , if you drink a glass of wine we are under that influence

[@katstreeb7630]

@@susanmintzer5144 if you take a dose of cough medicine which has alcohol or take benadryl or driinfluence. With caffeine you are also under the infuence of that thing

[@florinus2202]

Deuteronomy 14:26 God commended to drink wine and alcohol.

[@hawk12983]

I'm drunk and watching this now. I love the Lord and John Piper. I like the way alcohol makes me feel and should drink less for health reasons, but I don't think outside of the sin of gluttony that drukeness in itself is any graver of a sin.

[@tourtravel6692]

This talk makes me wanting to drink, but of course not to the point that I will commit sins. I guess it is due to the cold weather. I need something to warm up myself. Thank you Lord.

[@chuckgills580]

Cgilbert To pastor John Piper I really appreciate how you handle that song reckless love but wish you could have went into so scriptures about it but may God keep you and you and bless you and may peace be upon you . You're most Adamant Listener Cgilbert

[@akilliez]

from what I got is not to be a slave to it. Don't want it everyday it should be for celebration purposes only and if you celebrate alot for whatever reason don't be a drunkard and get drunk all the time. I am gonna be praying about this my friend wanted me to come out with him tonight. so I will experience it and if the Holy Spirit convicts me I will know it for sure.

[@torquecanyon8424]

We are called to be the salt and light of this world. He set us a part and if our mouth still addicted with drinking or still smoking, so what difference we could make in this world.

[@williamtebokkel634]

In my view there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol, As long it is done in Moderation. ............

[@waderandall4487]

Any thing is a sin that dulls your mind to SIN , Satan Is looking for any time u are weeker and uses any thing to cause us to SIN. . Think.

[@robm567]

All is lawful for me, but not all is helpful. Enjoying a drink is not sin. Drunkeness most certainly is. Scripture makes it plain. There are exceptions of course like drinking in front of someone who struggles with it, either physically or spirituality. It should absolutely be treated with caution but sin? No.

[@katherinerosemore274]

Wrong. Stop making excuses

[@markmata6641]

I believe that being drunk is a sin, but drinking alcohol can be a starting point to get you to get drunk. I just choose not to drink alcohol at all. I was tricked as a kid to drink beer and it's disgusting. I'm thankful that happened because it made me dislike alcohol.

[@mamimomo2300]

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[@markmata6641]

Mami Momo i've seen people drink, even little can make you go crazy. That's why i stray away frkm it. I don't need it to have a good time. I would rather be aware of what's happening, then not knowing the next day.

[@ririijadez1993]

+Mark Mata respect

[@dallasmcquarrie1937]

In the Gospel of Matthew (11:18-19), Jesus, comparing himself with John the Baptist, says "for John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ " In the Gospel of Luke, (7:33-34), Jesus says " For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ " Christian theology holds that Jesus was without sin. The Bible, which is supposedly the ultimate authority on faith and morals for Christians, is also quite clear that Jesus consumed alcohol. Indeed, in the Gospel of John (2:6-7), while attending a wedding feast, Jesus turns the water in six stone jars, each holding between 20 and the 30 gallons, into wine. In and of itself, there is no basis whatever in the gospels for concluding that Jesus considered the consumption of alcohol a sin. What is unacceptable is the abuse of alcohol in all its forms, including the idolatry of booze.

[@DARE2SPEAKEROMI]

Dallas McQuarrie. WELL SAID!!! HERE HERE!

[@iamdanielmusic17]

You right. Numbers 6 confirms everything

[@mattw4496]

Just like abusing sex or food.

[@waterambiece2739]

JESUS WINE DID NOT CONSUME ALCOHOL!!!!!!!!!!!! TODAY WINE IS OF POISON CONSUMPTION STOP MAKING EXCUSES TO GET DRUNK BY QUOTING SCRIPTURES TO TWIST TO SATISFY YOUR LUST WHERE U FEEL YOUR NIT SINNING OR DOING ANYTHING WRONG THAT WONT WORK AT JUDGEMENT DAY BYE

[@tonimuru9546]

@@waterambiece2739 i absolutely agree with you , people should know the difference between alcohol and wine and stop making excuses simply because of their lust

[@paulgoodman3907]

When I truly fell in love with Jesus, I didn’t want anything to do with it! Why look for reasons why to when there are so many reasons why not, love everyone reading this 🙏❤

[@stevecoley8365]

Confucius say "everything in moderation is medicine and everything in excess is poison", even food. Alcohol in moderation lubricates a thing we call "celebration" ...but in excess it leads to conflict.

[@schwinnbike18]

I disagree entirely. Alcohol brings the worst out of all who partake...no matter what the occasion!

[@randystevens1690]

Romans 7:13-25. I hate when I drink alcohol, why can't I just stop? But I get some things backwards. I have to quit fighting my addiction, and be Obedient, and Surrender to Jesus. Drawing closer to Jesus, He draws closer to me, and the alcohol fades away. Thank you Jesus, for You are Worthy.

[@Crezelltree4261]

The sin is in drunkness.

[@aduenamz2569]

And addiction.

[@ryanhoward3383]

I don't have either. I can go for weeks without it. I just enjoy it as a special treat.

[@Ps-Games121]

Agree

[@susanne_christine]

I’m a default tea-totaler too. My grandpa and grandma were alcoholics and I saw all the destruction that came out of it. And then add all the alcohol related consequences we see daily, for me I pretty much leave it alone. Used to drink more in my 20s but honestly it never complimented my life in any way.I don’t tell others what to do, but that’s my experience.

[@donttrip775]

His analogy of drinking water was not a good example

[@randilibin5066]

Don't trip I actually like it. It's not a perfect comparison, I don't think it was meant to be one though. I think he was putting it in a different context so we can reframe our thoughts on the subject so we are more open and able to understand what he says in the rest of the video

[@ReadyToFly24]

I agree but the holy spirit lead me to comments that gave me revelation amen

[@muhammedfitnessgrema3139]

Very dumb analogy indeed

[@lisarichards1956]

I agree with what he said. One problem for me is that in this day and age we don't walk or ride a donkey. If someone thinks they can handle one drink and then climbs into a car to drive it, they may find out too late (for them and some innocent bystander) that they were more intoxicated than they thought. Why take the chance? Also, I've heard that if someone has an addictive nature it only takes one drink to set them on the road to alcoholism. I think that's also a good reason not to use wine for communion.

[@skippy675]

We have Uber and other ride shares. It isn't wine when consumed, it is the blood of Christ.

[@KellyFayaz]

Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Lord?..... 1 Cor 3;16-17. Not only does alcohol defiles the temple(body) , also the unclean foods on Leviticus 11. Anything that is consumed and defiles the body is as good as killing the body. So many in the world are killers and murderers of themselves even others through what goes into the mouths. Not only alcohol, the likes of pork, duck meat,whale meat etc fall under the same form of temple defilement. This interpretation is misleading. It is not how you feel, it is what God wants and what He does not want. Can Jesus come down just to convert water to alcohol??? Aside personal feelings. Romans 13:12-14

[@skippy675]

@@KellyFayaz good point. This really shows the truth of Islam and the Quran as the perfect and final revelation of God. Pork and alcohol are very specifically prohibited. We submit our minds and bodies and souls to Allah who gave us life. Allahu Akbar!

[@keepingprivate]

​@@KellyFayazJesus said its not what goes into the body that makes it unclean, but what comes out, which is from the heart. Their are a lot of substances that slowly kill the body including those that you mentioned and cigarettes. Also, the uncontrolled consumption of sugars and fatty foods can lead to diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease.

[@code5829]

My mom has “1 glass of wine” and I can bet money I can tell when she has. She is not sober minded. It definitely affects her she’s like 100 pounds tiny. But she doesn’t listen to me. It should really be the other way around. I shouldn’t have to be trying to teach her but oh well.

[@ExtremePacifist]

Many people i know drink alcohol to feel the effects, not just because it taste good. I am trying to reach out locally with many people suffering and lacking basic life needs, like homeless, and jobless people, and inviting them to different churches and bible studies, and the biggest common denominator, is alcohol. Also there is the spiritual aspect of using alcohol. Many of these people using alcohol are in bondage and trying to cover up past traumas and current hardships, and in doing so, they are opening spiritual doors for demonic spirits to dwell within them and feed off of them and that is why helping them with there daily needs is never going to cure them, only inviting the Holy Spirit into them through faith in Christ Jesus can do that. This should be our main focus while reaching out to those people suffering in bondage to alcohol, as well as all other mind altering, body destroying, man man and natural chemicals and substances. If Jesus allows us to alter our minds with alcohol, then does He teach us how much is acceptable before it is a sin? Either way, you must admit that alcohol has caused much harm and many deaths and hardships and ruined many lives. Why would any Christian want to partake in this destructive, man made, mind altering, chemical? The word “alcohol” is said to come from the arabic term “Al-khul” which means “BODY-EATING SPIRIT” , also, is the origin of the term” ghoul. In alchemy, alcohol is used to extract the soul essence of an entity. Hence its’ use in extracting essences for essential oils, and the sterilization of medical instruments. By consuming alcohol into the body, it in effect extracts the very essence of the soul, allowing the body to be more susceptible to neighboring entities most of which are of low frequencies. why do you think we call certain alcoholic beverages “SPIRITS”? If Jesus allows us to alter our minds with a processed man made fermented chemical substance like wine, where did he permit the use of beer or grain alcohol? When did Jesus turn water into beer or rum or vodka? We have allowed major jumps in conclusion based on one or two bible verses like Paul encouraging all Christians to drink wine because of our stomach pain, but that was Paul writing directly to Timothy, but we have incorporated that verse to promote and allow the use of all alcohol. Either way, you must admit that alcohol has caused much harm and many deaths and hardships and ruined many lives. Why would any Christian want to partake in this destructive, man made, mind altering, chemical? In the mighty and wonderful name of our Lord God King and Saviuor: Christ Jesus, we pray: Amen, Hallelujah, Peace, and Maranatha.

[@joedurovey4988]

The wine in Christ's time on earth was no more than hard cider. So I would say it is bad to drink alcohol today.

[@abdulalimohammed7055]

Nice

[@kimbermountain8644]

I've heard this argument before, but have never found any historical proof for it. I grew up in an extremely conservative church and as I grew up I decided that I think our church made it up to "explain away" what they didn't like in the scriptures. Maybe I'm wrong......

[@reflexionesdelabiblia6711]

AMEN

[@reflexionesdelabiblia6711]

@@kimbermountain8644 you are wrong. I found within historical web sites.

[@jehu5813]

Show me some biblical or historical proof that this is true

[@alfreciljuarez4828]

Nothing comes into the body defiles a man but what comes out of his mouth defiles him.

[@marjorierushie7737]

The question is was the wine that Jesus made wine that had turned into alcohol or was it in fact grape juice?

[@Ps-Games121]

Grape juice. The Bible is clear that you should not drink.

[@nckayakbassinlife9342]

@@Ps-Games121 please provide proof of that.

[@johnwhite4070]

@@Ps-Games121 grape juice wasn't possible back then... grapes only harvest once a year and the only way to store them is in wine skins. Which cause fermentation... the bible warns of living a life of drunkenness and debauchery.. but it never says alcohol in itself is evil .. fruit juice want possible to have until we had ice boxes

[@Monsieur_le_Monke]

@@johnwhite4070 paul even told timothy to drink a glass of wine every day for his stomach problems.

[@Jburn3]

Here is a thought I had as it pertains to issues we face on "drawing the line" for sin. Case in point, Pastor Piper... (I so wish I attended his church just to call him Pastor Piper LOL).. But Pastor said, he saw so many come through his ministry trying to get free from alcohol. I can just see all the people who are adamantly against drinking nodding their heads in agreement while thinking thats exactly why they dont drink. With this in mind, ask yourself a question. How many other men and women who are rich with all their needs met and no "need" for God in their minds, NEVER SET FOOT in a church and are going to hell just as fast as the drunkard??? Think about that! I just wish more people would use wisdom and have much more balance in their approach to who is a sinner and who isnt. The bible is clear on a lot of issues but perhaps the largest sin of all sins is the omitted sins of the believers. Meaning, all the Christians who are NOT doing what they are supposed to be doing. Its those same christians that love to be the judge of everyone all the while marching toward their own judgement. We cant stray from the lines of truth but more love and wisdom is desperately needed today. Pastor Piper hehe is the man and seems to possess one of the more powerful gifts of wisdom I have seen today. God Bless him and God Bless all!

[@CaveSpiderNinja]

I find it humorous that all the people who adamantly campaign against alcohol and say that the miraculous wedding wine was grape juice completely miss the alcoholic nuance to the miracle. When the man said to Jesus that you normally serve the good wine first and then the poor wine, that’s a trick party hosts use to impress their guests. Serve them high quality wine at the beginning and then once their senses are dulled a little you can serve poor wine and they have a hard time telling the difference. It would never make sense to serve Non-alcoholic wine in that way, but the anti-alcohol campaigners often don’t understand that.

[@rockys9940]

How about this.... you walk around with water and if Jesus wants you to have alcohol He will turn it into wine....

[@nailedit2565]

Rich Hendel. Solid argument mate, I'm going to walk around with a bag of rocks, and if Jesus really truly wants me to eat he'll turn it into bread.

[@rockys9940]

not sure if your a born again bible believer why you would want to be like the world? ..."come out and be ye separate"....not sure why anyone would want to part take in a product that has caused so much harm in our world...drunkenness, DUI'S, deaths, Domestic violence, alcoholism, job loss, family relationships, health problems, and overall poor decisions ...

[@nailedit2565]

I am indeed. I typically abstain from alcohol myself and I've seen great destruction that is alcohol related, I say related because the substance itself does not destroy, the persons indwelling sin does. Regardless that still does not mean that it is a sin to drink alcohol, it is very clearly indicated in the scriptures that it is not, alcoholism is a sin, gluttony is a sin, but the mere consumption of alcohol is not a sin. Does this mean you SHOULD drink? No, there are a vast number of people who should abstain from drinking all together, there are people who shouldn't ever gamble because they simply can't handle it. Gambling is not a sin either, it can be, but it's not inherently. Alcohol, Gambling & Weapons also cause a whole lot of harm in the world, except they really don't, our sin causes the harm, the vehicle is simply different.

[@nailedit2565]

Also I should say I empathize, because I understand the deep pain of losing someone you love to alcohol and watch them become a fundamentally different person. I understand that the depth of that pain and loss can be unimaginable and if you've had that in your life then I would like to pray that God will comfort you and guide you through these times and pray for reversal if this is something that's currently going on, my fiance recently lost her father to alcoholism, or ease the pain of the past. If not I pray you don't ever have to experience those things. God bless you brother.

[@HearGodsWord]

It's a good point he makes about the reference to cup, not wine, in the New Testament.

[@racingfuel28]

Marty Blackman I had actually never realized it until he said it, but thinking about it I believe he is right. Like he said, it probably was wine, but it never says it was specifically. So it is wrong for us to say that it is commanded to drink alcohol.

[@deniseluna1075]

only lukewarm Will drink wine, the one walking in holiness and righteousness Will not drink alcohol at all.

[@harrellambert7607]

I appreciate your comments and I agree that the Bible does not prohibit drinking alcoholic drinks, only drunkenness. What is drunkenness? I submit that a person doesn't have to be falling down and puking to be drunk. I believe that anytime a person drinks enough that his/her Christian testimony is compromised even in the smallest way it becomes sin. If we compromise our Christian testimony in what we think, what we say or what we do; we have sinned. So where is the line? It is very difficult if not impossible to know. We will never see the data but I'm willing to argue that if we had data it would show that many women have sex before marriage the first time after having consumed alcohol. I would argue that using alcohol will never bring anything good into your life but it may destroy your life. It is also worth noting that being a teetotaler is something that is presented in being very positive sense that it honors God. We see this in the stories of Samson and John the Baptist. By the way, Jesus changing the water into wine is not a commandment to consume alcohol. I may be wrong but I think sugar is added in the wine making process today to increase the alcoholic content. So the strong wine of Jesus day would have had less alcohol than today's wine. I have known many Christians who considered themselves to be moderate users of alcohol but many of these people would drink too much on rare occasions. The other thing I saw was that as many of these people got older the one glass of wine or the one beer practice became several beers or several glasses of wine. Also, the rationalization that alcoholism is a disease in todays culture; It is part of the victim thinking; having a sickness is not a sin; I have several friends who truly believe they were born with the disease of alcoholism. Well, I can say that I'm immune to this disease.... BTW, some of these people basically make the AA group their church... God's cure for alcoholism is not a 12 step program.... It is a two-step program! One more example, if someday one of my children or grandchildren (I'm almost 81) get drunk and die in an auto accident I will glad for the example I have set for them.... I would say two things in finishing; Using alcohol will never never never bring anything positive into your life! If you are a Christian I think you should do some serious praying before deciding that you're going to make even the moderate use of alcohol part of your life.

[@nata6haV]

It is good [to do the right thing and] not eat meat or drink wine, or do anything that offends your brother and weakens him spiritually. The faith which you have [that gives you freedom of choice], have as your own conviction before God [just keep it between yourself and God, seeking His will]. Happy is he who has no reason to condemn himself for what he approves. But he who is uncertain [about eating a particular thing] is condemned if he eats, because he is not acting from faith. Whatever is not from faith is sin [whatever is done with doubt is sinful]. ROMANS 14:21‭-‬23 AMP

[@phoenix21studios]

Food is not forbidden, gluttony is. Money is not forbidden, greed is. See where I am going with this? Hard pill for people to swallow is that grape juice was invented around 1890 and new wine has never been shown to be non-alcoholic. They simply didnt have the technology to stop the fermentation process back then, and it started the process on day 1.

[@drj1967]

Common Pastor John. Take a stand! The world doesn't need to hear us flip flop around the issue. Tell your church and those who hear you to be sober.

[@jp-qn4je]

The fermented high alchohol drinks of today did not exist then. Wine was used more medicinally then ...esp as a paste put into water.

[@patrickhamilton7849]

100 %ly.

[@exonamjemimalorenz3956]

The example with water is irrelevant. Water is a basic necessity one cannot do without. Totally off

[@walker3808]

if you get drunk it is a sin. Alcohol to me makes me weep unto God, and I get so connected to God. I don't like it though because I have a weak stomach and can not hold my alcohol even with a little bit, but for some reason when I drink my zeal magnifies.

[@donaldhicks3359]

The thing about drinking alcohol is that if you claim to be a Christian and someone sees you drinking alcohol they wonder what other questionable behavior do you give yourself license to do .

[@deebonash4487]

Then do they read scripture and interpret it for themselves?

[@322doug]

Deuteronomy 14:26KJV And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

[@Nokss87]

I think getting drunk is the issue, but alcohol does have the tendency to get addictive.

[@taylerthompson7559]

The thing that is hard is that the North American culture of alcohol is so different compared to Europeans or even the ancient times in which Jesus lived. In these cultures, alcohol is seen much more as a staple food and something to be used in celebration. Now in North America, it has so much more negative connotations and is used much less responsibly. If you get drunk all the time and put the chase of liquor over chasing the spirit then you are living in sin. Being drunk also clouds the mind and can pull you into the flesh of the world.

[@donnierichie4073]

Jesus did turn water into wine because the king comment Jesus for saving the best wine for the end of the party because after people drinking wine and get drunk would at the end of the party would not care how good the wine was there drunk, I say a drink of alcohol like beer or wine is not sin, drinking to the point of getting drunk is wrong or sin.

[@ChristAliveForevermore]

What is sufficient for my Lord is sufficient for me. He drank with the sinners (albeit he did not get drunk from our awareness), and so to evangelize the sinners one must in some respect get down on their level. To drink too much is to get drunk. I, however, have prayed for the drunkness to depart during a party and in doing so, I was able to spread the Gospel somewhat and my thoughts were immediately more coherent and less selfish in nature. Also, do not forget that the blood of Christ is symbolized by wine (or the fruits of the vine). The danger is the love of alcohol and being drunk, for to love the drink is to place it above The Most High in your life. I have seen many go down this path, even today. Therefore, drinking in GENERAL isn't the danger; drinking with the purpose or DESIRE to BE DRUNK is necessarily the state of being a DRUNKARD, and so lies the danger in alcohol.

[@reflexionesdelabiblia6711]

Rabbis were not to drink and always to be of sober mind so as to be ready to teach. Jesus drank juice not wine. There are other posts about this. There are historical Info about translation and the Hebrews had multiple words for varying grades of juice.

[@joeleenwebb3714]

Jesus made wine for people to drink so why is this even a question?

[@AlvinWilliams407]

@ZeUs46 then why did he turn water into wine 🍷

[@miyelanimaluleke859]

If the bible was corrupted where did you get the idea that alcohol is a sin. Didn't you get it from the very corrupt bible?

[@markgupton1313]

Non-alcoholic and alcoholic wine was referred to as wine in Scripture. Isaiah even refer to the wine in the cluster (still on the vine).

[@MsCellobass]

It isn't sin. To drink alcohol. But to be drunk is sin. If you drink to get drunk or buzzed that wouldn't be good reason to drink. Bible says to not be drunk but be filled with the Holy Spirit.

[@areyes16536ar]

alcohol is a sin. if jesus never drank wine then im gonna follow jesus' footsteps. Alcohol is made from yeast and yeast is a sin. jesus never said to drink alcohol in moderation everyone's intention is to get drunk. Yes were suppossed to be filled with the holy spirit. but the holy spirit will never tell you to get drink a beer lol. God wants us living a life that's pure to him

[@denisedspain7991]

Why would yeast be a sin? That pretty much cuts out all bread products.

[@areyes16536ar]

Did you know Jesus rejected wine Jesus never says to drink a sip of wine when Jesus made water into wine it was grape juice.

[@deathnote939393]

ADTheWatchmen Reyes that's just your imagination and image of the holy spirit.

[@McScott76]

Drinking to get buzzed is the point. You don't take medicine hoping it has no effect. You don't eat something you enjoy hoping it won't be enjoyable. There is ZERO teaching in the bible that indicates it's wrong to drink wine for pleasure. Drunkenness is a sin. That's clear. But adding to scripture to justify our preference or bias is just legalism.

[@JasonLefevers]

I think we have to understand that the wine of today is not the same as the wine of Biblical times. Their wine was heavily watered down to the point that you’d likely need to drink 22 glasses in order to equal two modern day alcoholic drinks. The Bible also makes a distinction between wine and strong drink, with strong drink being un-mixed wine (not diluted with water). Remember that in those times, water wasn’t always healthy to drink and took great lengths to get it to be so and so it was common to mix it with a purifying agent like wine. Simply put, our modern day wine and wine in that time are two very different things. The Bible warns often of strong drink with high alcoholic content and its effects on us.

[@qtallenandrews3715]

No...but being drunk is.

[@skippy675]

Our Muslim friends obviously have a much better handle on what is sinful than do us Christians.

[@ChristopherCrocker]

Luke 1:15 is specific to John the Baptist and does not apply to everyone.

[@Beanmachine91]

like how jesus instructed the rich man to sell his possessions and give to the poor, what those two have in common is they both had to out of necessity, if jesus hated alchohol he wouldnt have transformed the water into wine. it was the best wine they had to!

[@reflexionesdelabiblia6711]

It applies to pastors.

[@reflexionesdelabiblia6711]

@@Beanmachine91 it was divine so it was juice. Jesus would not have made wine for people to get drunk on. Also all rabbis were not to drink not even touch it.

[@marquessalley3924]

Drink but dont get drunk..is like saying smoke but don't get high❤

[@patrickhamilton7849]

I agree with this comparison. We only do good to abstain entirely.

[@KristinaGlackin]

Why even drink at all? Isn't it better to refrain?? You can easily unintentionally have too much and get drunk. If just looking at someone with lustful thoughts is the same as committing adultery, wouldn't that mean drinking because you want to feel it's effect is the same thing as being drunk? Im just curious. Any time that I have drank at all since coming to Christ, I have been convicted.

[@adamxd21lol6]

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[@martharuiz3341]

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[@jgmahurin]

Drinking alcohol cant be compared to the sins that can be a violation just by thought i.e. looking with lust=adultery, unjust anger=murder. Rather it would be considered a sin of indulgence and more comparable with the sin of gluttony. The Biblical principle being moderation in keeping self-control. However, I would only suggest a mature Christian should partake at all because of a few guidelines we see in scripture. Romans 14 tells us that we are not to partake of flesh or wine if it causes a brother to stumble or weakens a brother. In 1 Cor ch 10 speaks of sins of conscience. If you feel anything is a sin then do not do it because it will be a sin for you. There may be immature or weak Christians that cant handle drinking at all and will not do so without sinning, in which case, I believe the Holy Spirit lets them know that it is a sin for them. Likewise, it would be a sin for me to drink in their presence. Same goes for eating meat. If you felt there was something you shouldnt eat, then listen to your conscience and if I was to dine with you, I could not eat it either. (for some that may be pork) Why drink at all? many Christians opt out of drinking at all because we recongnize the Biblical warnings. However, some of us do feel we can have an occasional drink under the right circumstances and enjoy it without sinning at all.

[@lightisgreaterthandarkness]

+Jason Mahurin You have a great head on your shoulders brother! Very good exegesis and Biblical understanding. The Word even gives us a very clear definition of where liberty and blessing crosses over to sin and woe. "Who hath *woe? who hath *sorrow? who hath *contentions? who hath *babbling? who hath *wounds without cause? who hath *redness of eyes? They that *tarry *long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Thine eyes shall behold *strange *women, and thine heart shall *utter *perverse *things. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I *felt it not: when shall I awake? I will *seek it yet again." Proverbs 23:29-35 If this is where alcohol always leads you. If you cannot exercise self-control. If alcohol causes damage to you, family or friends... I would err on the side of abstinence. Like you already stated, you must be a mature Christian to understand both sides of the tight-rope. There is blessing, but there is danger in over-indulgance. You know when you are taking it past liberty and into bondage... Once in a while I will have a glass of red wine. But each time I lay strict guidelines. Once I start feeling any type of buzz I stop for a while and let my body metabolize what I drank. I have not been "drunk" in any way, shape or form for many, many years. I don't like being "intoxicated" nor the consequences of heavy drinking... Ever had a hangover? Is it enjoyable? Why bring that on yourself? Live in moderation with the liberty which Christ has given us and your life and walk will be blessed!

[@tstjohn777]

+Kristina Glackin, The word Phil 2:12-13 teaches us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, for it's God working in us the willing and doing of HIS good pleasure. I would also state, Matthew 18:6 says we should not cause one of God's little ones to stumble. Then there is I Thess. 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. All that said, the Word of God does say to layman of the Church not to drink but to not be drunk. But there is a higher standard for those in Ministry James 3:1 & I Tim. 3:2. But Colossians 2:16 states; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink. Bottom line is, we must take up the Cross daily and die to our selfishness and be controlled by the Holy Spirit. Hope that helps

[@SondaLovesElly26]

Drinking "strong drink" (alcohol) is a sin. Plain and simple there's no way around it.

[@chuckwright8889]

So are you saying that Jesus sinned when He drank wine, and really sinned when he made wine for wedding guests who were ALREADY DRUNK - and on and on.....

[@tonyxtrotter]

Chuck Wright was Paul telling Timothy to sin when he told him to drink wine for his infirmities?

[@papalion8892]

Not all wine was fermented. Drinking alcohol is a sin. The word says not to even look at it if it is. I hope this helps. Lots of the time wine was just grape juice in the bible. If Jesus turned all that water into fermented wine it would have been more than enough to get people drunk. That would have made Jesus a sinner.

[@jayjoseph6492]

Wasn't one of Jesus' miracles was to turn water into wine? I'm guessing alcohol is OK.

[@reflexionesdelabiblia6711]

Juice

[@landocalrissian5613]

@@reflexionesdelabiblia6711 no. Wine. It does not say it is juice anywhere, it uses the word wine. Would they really not mention the fact that the wine was alcohol free? That would be an important detail. Jesus was accused of being a drunkard. That wouldn't make sense unless he drank wine

[@ecurrie4549]

Jesus said: For I tell you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” Luke 22:18 MEV I have had an occasional alcoholic drink but prefer to mirror Jesus example above. I do take communion in remembrance of Him but its not alcoholic.

[@Flyingferrets5]

People claiming wine in Jesus's day was just grape juice... Historical fact: Fermentation was used back then and it was alcohol containing!

[@gracewilliams338]

Fruit of the vine, grape juice was called wine, back then, also. Read it in Samson.

[@justanobserver8283]

Agreed!

[@Josiahministries]

@@justanobserver8283 it's not a sin to drink, it's a sin if you get drunk off of it. The Bible says be sober and vigilant. If you have 1-2 drinks you're still sober

[@johnerikson828]

@@gracewilliams338 But it was real wine in the Bible because why would Jesus say be not drunk with wine?

[@ads197140]

thanks for your comments Kristina I agree..

[@judithspears9356]

Is smoking cigarettes sin.. Can we lose our salvation by smoking..❤

[@Josiahministries]

Is this a question? Yes, it's bondage, and addiction. Jesus came to set us free from addiction/sin/strongholds

[@internetlurker1850]

Depends, if the cigarettes make you go away from god, then yes, if you are smoking them, are not addicted to them, and is still in the path of god, then no. Just like wine, beer, even food, addiction will be bad for you physically and spiritually.

[@internetlurker1850]

@@kent3449 I was talking aobut the sin part, not about the salvation part.

[@internetlurker1850]

@@kent3449 Its ok

[@rickyruiz9908]

It can become a addiction, and also it’s not wise to smoke because it’s not heathy .The bible also say we’re the body of the temple.

[@garytotherow3722]

The statement about not drinking wine with red tent is when grape juice or grapes has fermented and become alcohol

[@Eidann63]

Jesus drank wine; he turned water into wine for a special occasion. He said: in Matthew 15:11 "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but, that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." KJV> If you are having a glass of wine for your stomach's sake or with dinner what is the harm? If you are uncomfortable with it, or if you don't like it by all means, DON'T have it. If you are an alcoholic who has reformed, do not put yourself into that again; certainly abstain for your own sake and those around you. But, if you are the average person who can take or leave alcohol, and do not intend getting drunk, just enjoy an occasional glass, I see no reason not to have a little. That's all I have to say. Use your common sense and moderation!

[@Eidann63]

They accused Jesus of being a "wine imbiber"... He said so himself. How can you be "accused" of drinking too much grape juice?!

[@tstjohn777]

+RawVegan4TheSoul So then why does Paul have to WARN us not to be drunk with wine? That's just a silly comment, PERIOD.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

With all the respect towards those who say the wine bible talks about is not juice it's wine, period. Eating chocolate too much can be sin. Eating junk food can be sin. Both give man good feeling but one should not be addicted to them. Same thing with wine. Do not eat food to massage your inner pain away. You should not drink for the same reason. There are people who foodaholics. We call them eating fats. Drink wine, beer if you wish but do not let it take a controll of you. Do not get drunk. Do not get addicted.