Doesn’t the Bible Tell Christians to Put Homosexuals to Death?

[@DavidGeorge197]

We don’t kill anybody but that doesn’t mean certain behaviour is not deserving of death. The New Testament is very clear about that. Romans 1:32.

[@pastorbri]

but romans was about paul condemning the heterosexuals he saw who used same sex acts in their idolotry cults which was unatural for straight folk, so God gave them over to a reprobate mind.

[@daviddragan7616]

Deserving death you say. But who is the judge? The humans, the creation, or God, the creator?

[@pastorbri]

@@daviddragan7616 God would be the judge except he never said this to judge on.

[@daviddragan7616]

@@pastorbri My bad. I read his comment again and got the message. Still, I don't know why he pointed it out if he is not going to expand on his opinion. It can come out as judgemental.

[@pastorbri]

@@daviddragan7616 well thats homophobics for u

[@TomStrohOptimalDailyLiving]

This taught me to see things from a different perspective. Thank you so much!

[@mrwebmanager]

The fact that repentance and a turning away from "the" lifestyle and all sexual sins outlined in Leviticus 18 and others remains. The Lord is being patient with us and is giving us time to choose him and to walk with the Holy Spirit who does indeed have the power to let us overcome our deviances.

[@davidkennedy6251]

In Leviticus 18 it speaks of sex during menstruation being forbidden. Does that still count as a sin or are we free to ignore that as it does not suit us?

[@mrwebmanager]

Hello, are you married? My wife's menstrual days are now behind, but while it was going on, she would be down for maybe a day or two and would not have the energy to have intimate relations. Generally speaking, the female body is going through a lot and needs rest & recuperation. It is only an act of love towards her not to approach her during her period. The things outlined in Lv. 18 is God's way of saying "don't hurt yourself or your neighbor, especially your wife." He made it a law for the JEWS as a special blessing so that they could stay healthy and light of all that was going on around them. And also because He knew people had a rebellious nature and needed the rod. What do you think?

[@davidkennedy6251]

You may be right. I have no experience whatsoever with women and their sexual needs. All I know is that fundamentalist hypocrites insist on Leviticus 18 - the Holiness Code - being followed to the letter but are happy to ignore this command. It is inconsistent, David

[@mrwebmanager]

Thanks for the reply. Can you give me some evidence or proof of fundamentalist's actual hypocritical acts? I don't have the statistics but I would assume many Christian husbands will forgo getting intimate with their wives during their periods.

[@davidkennedy6251]

OK but it is a long list. I suffered badly at a fundie church years ago so I may not be unbiased in this.

[@kengy1991]

This is probably one of the most helpful podcasts I've ever listened to by him. So relevant to today.

[@pastorbri]

yes as homophobia is the real sin

[@Meliodasthesinofwrath]

Homophobic come whej homosexual exist

[@Meliodasthesinofwrath]

@@pastorbri let homosexual don't be ex ist

[@pastorbri]

@@Meliodasthesinofwrath assume english is not your main language?

[@pastorbri]

@@Meliodasthesinofwrath mmm yeah doubt english is your main tounge?

[@nikolai5012]

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[@hyojinkyoma9620]

Leviticus 20:13 explicitly says what it says. Stop with the justification and mental gymnastics. If you dont agree with the bible, throw it out.

[@MusicalRaichu]

It didn't say "put men who are attracted to men to death", it said "put men who lie with a male a womanly bed to death". We don't have that concept anymore so people think it's about homxoesuality. Regardless of what Leviticus actually meant (it's disputed), we no longer follow it Eph 2.15, it's not how we obey God Rom 7.6, and risks angering God to impose it Acts 15.10.

[@hsuehmeing5306]

This is so excellent- took down notes. Thank you Ps John.

[@3520734]

A number of years ago America's foremost Christian evangelist Billy Graham was interviewed by Hugh Downs on the current affairs program 20/20. Barbara Walters used to be on it. Hugh wanted to ask Billy about the pressing issues of the day. Abortion, homosexuality, etc. So He asked Mr. Graham is homosexuality a sin? - Billy Graham responded, "Well I would say it is - it is No worse than anything else". (I will add fornication, adultery, etc.) Mr. Downs then asked him - if your child came to you and said they were "gay" would you dis - own them? To which Mr. Graham said - No I would probably Love them More. I do not believe in labels to begin with, but sometimes we use a word - "gay" to describe what we are discussing. My former neighbour when I mentioned this - she said it was Nice Billy would Love them more - but felt that was because he thought they needed to be "fixed". Better to have a compassionate response than what has been displayed by some evangelists, ministers in the past. "Love thy Neighbour", "Do Unto Others, what You Would Have Done to You", "Thou Shall Not Judge", "Judge Not Lest You Be Judged ". "Thou Shall Not Kill", Etc. In the Bible - 11 Samuel 2 Verse 26 - "I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful passing the love of women. 1 Samuel 18 Verse 1 - "The soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Johnathan loved him as his own soul." Verse 3 "Then Jonathan and David made a covenant" - 1 Samuel 21 - "David bowed himself 3 times and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded". Lets remember David had a number of wives (Something most people in the western world do not do today) and yet was held in High Esteem in God's eyes. So regardless of Peoples opinions, thoughts, feelings, and interpretations - has not "Mainstream" Christianity maintained that having an inclination, was not a sin - just do not act on it. We do not see people practicing that - what you do see is people making assumptions, judging, because someone does not meet some "macho"/feminine cultural stereotype - that they are "gay" - name calling in the school yard, because someone is sensitive, has different interests, etc. Wow Human Beings are Messesd Up! A result of the Fall in the Garden Of Eden - if we are going to believe the Bible!

[@exaucemayunga22]

This is what Christians believe about the Bible: If God commaned something unethical, it doesn't apply to them in the new covenant. If God commanded something "ethical", then it applies to them in the new covenant. In brief, Christians will always cherry pick passages. I'm Christian btw.

[@MusicalRaichu]

Scripture does not distinguish categories of laws. The entire mosaic law has been annulled Eph 2.15. "Written code" is not how we obey God Rom 7.6. We obey God by the fruit of the spirit, developing a character that imitates Christ's self-sacrificial love, against which there is no law Gal 5. love satisfies ALL God's commands Rom 13.9. BTW that means that a same-secs relationship characterized by mutual respect, kindness, faithfulness, sincerity and so on is loving, and thus according to scripture obeys God.

[@exaucemayunga22]

So men having sex with men is okay, right?

[@stmp4160]

The Law indeed has some difficult passages which need addressing and so will I do. The Law was presented to the recently taken out of slavery Israelites, whom might I add, were not the greatest of followers or the most faithful (for example in exodus 32:1-6, in which, after Moses left for just a few days, they Immediately turned to worshipping random idols and other gods after seeing the literal Sea being split in half). Had God given a perfect Law, what would they have done? Would they have accepted it and kept it? No, Israel struggled and defiled the Law even when it was shifted to fit to what they could accomplish with their hard hearts, as shown all over the OT, for example in Judges. The reason stoning, such a harsh punishment is employed, is because they had Just gotten out of Egypt, the same society that had the Pharaoh's wife be killed if he ever died and killed slaves, which Israelites were, for the Slightest of things. Had God given them correct punishment, they would not have taken the Law seriously and they would definitely not keep it. The Law is also not perfect, outside of its punishment, when it comes to the actual Law, for example with allowing "slavery" or more accurately debt-paying servitude which that itself isn't great either since until the servant payed his debt, he was as property, even if he was to be treated humanly, as we see with Laws such as exodus 21:26, or verses such as 21:20, though both of them imperfect, because of the hard heartness of Isreal. These things are shown, both from the overall tone of God and the way Israel is portrayed all over the OT but also explicitly stated in Matthew 19:7-8, wherein, Jesus, after being questioned about divorce, points out that the only reason Moses and God allowed for it was because of the stubbornness and hardness in heart of Isreal. That it was not meant to be so morally, for what God has put together in the holy bond of marriage is not to be torn apart by man Unless a good reason is given such as sexual immorality in the marriage (I.e. if the man or woman abuses each other and forcing them to have intercourse, if one cheats on the other etc etc.). It is also shown in Numbers 27:1-11, wherein it is deliberately shown in action, with Isreal essentially demanding a king and though God states that it is not right and that they have disgraced him in this way, he still allows it due to Isreal's stubbornness, so that they can at least follow the Law and God under a human king. The Law was made up of three parts;The 10 commandments (moral Law), the ritual law (sacrifices and such for the washing of sin) and the 'government' law. The only perfect part of the Law are indeed the 10 commandments.

[@jailahbryel305]

We’re sinners going to hell but Jesus died so you can have eternal life. Repent and trust in Him only as your savior (not on being a good person)

[@davidespano8674]

Thank you very much for this simple and clear explanation, it's been very helpful to me.

[@thdis_9235]

@David Custer stfu homophobe

[@linin3288]

I believe that the punishment of the law apply but only to true God-led states(only the state of ANCIENT Israel has ever truly followed God),and the only change the messiah brought to the punishments of the law is that if people confess faith in the messiah and repent they get a second chance (as with the example of the adulteress who the messiah saved from stoning by the pharisees),notice how in the example of the adulteress in the end he told her "sin no more",meaning if she had sinned more she should have been rightly punished, that's why I only believe in only a second chance ON THIS SUBJECT on other subjects I believe as the messiah said that we should forgive 77x7 times.

[@incomingincoming1133]

I, on the other hand, heard the most elusive, roundabout, long-winded, vague, answer I have heard in a very long time, forced and stuffed to fit modern sensibilities at the expense of legibility.

[@alexdionisio9360]

@@incomingincoming1133 It's because you haven't read the Bible.

[@get-the-lead-out.4593]

If theyre gay, in our 'church', and refuse to repent of those sins we are to: John 7:24 24 Stop judging by outward appearances, and start judging justly 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you." 2 John 9-11 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. Titus 1:9-13 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. 10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach-and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.” 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith Timothy 5:20 20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. Romans 16:17-18 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Acts 20:28-30 28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29 I know that after I leave, wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number, men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 2 Timothy 4:2-4 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables

[@antichristobama9127]

God bless u, great comment i needed to hear this

[@get-the-lead-out.4593]

@@antichristobama9127 God bless you as well and please spread these scriptures since these are the ones which most all pastors today WILL NOT show their congregation, and as we know, the congregation is doing less and less of being diligent to read and study the COMPLETE Word of God... they want to first have a belief/desire and then go cherry picking, scripture mining, and manipulating scriptures into backing up their own desires instead of what the complete Word of God teaches

[@BigIdeasMarketing]

Good points

[@winifredthompson2470]

Thank you for a great message. Greetings from Northern Ireland.

[@Apokalypsiis]

Get the led out: Don’t forget that the one man who holds true over anyone that followed or continues to follow him today was Jesus and he did pursue the sick and the broken. The sinful and the proud. I’m not saying that we should surround ourselves with sinners and be content. But in this world you will face those who are lost, who know not what they do. They need to be aware that we walk by faith and not by sight. The moment you judge another man for his sin, is the moment you will be judged for you’re sin as well-for no man is perfect. We all sin. Therefore love one another as Christ Jesus loves as well as those we desire to persecute.

[@WolfSpectre1993]

This could've been answered very simply because in 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 it states "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." With this in mind, Leviticus 20:13 should be compared with Romans 6:23 keeping in mind Isaiah 33:22. In basic summary, no Christian should stone a gay person because the wages of sin is death. That death is both spiritual and physical separation from God knowing He is the lawgiver, king, and judge. Yet to further add Christ also said, "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Why? "Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:10-21) How? "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40) "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Matthew 7:12) "My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; and ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." (James 2:1-10) respect of persons = partiality; God doesn't play favorites

[@donatist59]

Exactly. True Christians don't hang their hats on one verse that runs counter to the entire rest of the book.

[@franklinweston6408]

the bible both old and new testament says to kill homosexuals. 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. see even in the new testament it says it still punishable by death.

[@etf42]

When do I listen to the old testament and when don't I? When do I use context to understand the bible and when do I follow it verbatim? I am confused.

[@davidkennedy6251]

Curt hi it is obvious to two groups of people (a) those who don't think much about what they are reading in the Bible and (b) those who pick and choose verses to suit themselves. It seems that texts on homosexuality are universal yet a prohibition on having sex during menstruation (just three verses away) was only for the people of Israel four thousand years ago. Hypocrisy. The texts on incest still apply but not the ban on lending money at interest. Hypocrisy. The ban on elders having tattoos is upheld but still more verses are ignored. Hypocrisy.

[@etf42]

I am trying to understand context, but I am confused when to use it or not. Which teachers have the authority and knowledge to decipher this? What if I don't agree with their authority?

[@davidkennedy6251]

Curt Christiansen You are reading things into the Bible to suit yourself. The whole of Leviticus is about keeping the people of Israel SEPARATE. Most of what it says is specific to time and place. But it seems we have to take some verses strictly yet we can freely ignore adjacent verses. What is obvious there is the hypocrisy - I can see that and that is what is going on. David

[@davidkennedy6251]

Jimmy B. I do appreciate you taking time and trouble to write down an account but I still have questions and some of your points seem wrong to me. Am I right in thinking that the New Covenant started with Jesus' resurrection rather than with his birth. So the Gospels still lie in the Old Covenant, right? I agree with much you say about the fulfilment of the Law. You express that well. I notice that Paul's letters dominate your theology and I would ask that you be wary of that - it's a classic sign of fundamentalism to take Paul literally but take Jesus figuratively. So tattoos are now OK? Many Christians would disagree with you on that. The 10 Commandments - I am sure that you are at Church like me every Sunday - but do you observe that day of the week by doing nothing - no work, no shopping etc. The Sermon on the Mount is largely ignored in Christian Churches as it is felt that Jesus set impossible standards which we have no chance of attaining. I am still unclear - the prohibition of male to male sexual contact - still in force or not? the ban on couples having sex during the woman's menstruation (3 verses away from the above verse) - still in force or not? the ban on lending money at interest - still in force or not? Regards, DAVID

[@davidkennedy6251]

You have posted a lot for me to think on here. You must both think and type fast. Jesus and Paul do teach different things. On wealth and possessions Jesus is far more radical than is Paul. Jesus tells the rich young man to sell all he has and give the money to the poor and he speaks in the Sermon on the Mount about not taking a wage and living by faith 'Do not worry'. In the parable of Dives and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell for his callous indifference to need; Matthew 25:31-46 makes the same point. Jesus talks about the camel through the eye of a needle and about worshipping riches in Heaven not Earth. He wants us to get as far from materialism as we can. Paul says we should be content whether we are poor or rich and the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. So in 21st century UK and USA we ignore Jesus' teaching on this - he could have saved his breath for all the notice we take of him - and we cling to Paul's teaching saying 'I know I am rich but I am content and I don't love money. Jesus and Paul also differ on homosexuality. Jesus says nothing directly - it does not seem a big issue to him. But Paul sees it as a serious sin and as a major issue. I find Romans 1 very hard to read but there is no denying his anger. The Gospels are a transition stage - very well reasoned. I have learned something profound tonight. The 'ask Pastor John' videos are hit and miss = sometimes wise, other times, well, not so wise! . Bestiality is prohibited only in the OT - no mention of it in the New. Is that OK now? I still don't understand why we follow the Law on male homosexual behaviour, incest, bestiality, loving your neighbour but we don't on tattoos, usury, sex during menstruation, Jubilee social justice etc. It is picking and choosing however you say it. The question is whether the picking and choosing is on consistent Biblical principles or is it just to suit us? I know what my experience is. "Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" That sounds a bit like the traditional understanding of the Christian life for a homosexual person - lifelong celibacy. It's grim, desperate, depressing, isolating, lonely, tedious, repressive - unbearable or as near to unbearable as you can get. Blessings, David

[@abbypepper2867]

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[@FeliciaFollum]

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[@janereinl8740]

abby pepper to look for the homophobes lol

[@sammyt4549]

@@janereinl8740 Where is the fear? Homosexual desires or not, we are all sinners in need of a savior.

[@wickedness_666]

SammyT253 But Jesus the savior died from the coronavirus last Thursday, and rose again on Easter Sunday. haha.

[@todoswifeu8126]

@@wickedness_666 which religion are you? And it's not nice to make fun of other religions....

[@Doubtyadoubts]

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[@lovevuite]

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[@fornax5798]

I'm learning a lot of things - some useful, and some nt.

[@mrplayboyinternational.1999]

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[@jacktheripper4323]

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[@davids7476]

I see a lot of people who want to interpret and reinterpret the scriptures to suit their earthly desires. The coming and death of Jesus did not abolish sin as far as I can tell, that is my clear opinion. To know Jesus and to love Jesus and to strive to be like him leaves no room to just ignore Gods law and say it is totally obsolete and abolished now, I can go do whatever I want that makes me feel good. It is to to show us nobody can live under such harsh laws and that God understands and has mercy. He is giving us chance after chance after chance to come to him. You can't expect to pick and choose what is and what isn't an abomination, as far as I am told it is an abomination and he will deal with it. You can only expect that God loves you enough to not put you to death immediately for your sins that he will give you a little more time to figure out how repulsive the sin is to him. He never said, awe screw it just do whatever I changed my mind about what is good and what is bad. At least to the best of my knowledge. If you can clearly show me evidence in full context, then I might just subscribe to this point of view. No, we are not to kill homosexuals, it is up to God to decide their punishment but I am not seeing ANYWHERE that he is now just cool with it and you can just waltz up to heavens gate wearing a tu tu and lipstick and expect him to open the door. I have a lot of friends and family that have chosen homosexuality and I don't want to see them killed I still love and cherish them therefore I pray for them, and keep fighting Satan wherever I see him. You can show them the error of their ways and stand by their side but be careful condoning stuff that you have no right to condone. At the same time be careful not to condemn things you have no right to condemn. We are all on this ride together and we are all stained with sin , when you recognize your sin don't look to find scripture to justify your sin, you already know. It is imprinted on your heart and the fact that you are digging to justify it should make it clear you have an inherent knowledge of truth and sometimes you just don't like the rules cause it is not thrilling. If you really need an adrenaline rush to feel the thrill then ride a roller coaster or something but don't be deceived and worst of all don't be your own deceiver.

[@evilmelez]

the reason for the clear warning in any of God s 4 books are for the people to think on how severe the punishment of the hell fire can be if they insist on the big sins so they may dont commit it. you have to accept that act is a sin in the eyes of God so they have to repent. Im only here to read comments on how people are realy good on hiding the truth on the homosexuality matter. you seem to understand this. because we are not judgers the very first rule of God is to obey the laws of the country you live in. but you have to know the sins. but people close their eyes to the warnings.even the things Jesus said from his blessed lips.they love to interpret it to something else. I also came across lot of christian think Jesus died for all of their sins majority of you think that way. But I asked priests if God was so loving and caring why did he destroyed people before us for their sins. the same sins are so normal right now. like homosexuality. loan on interest. sex without mariage. İs God bipolar to destroy people then let people kill his son or prophet to wash the sins of people that are living right now.despite he is the only divine creator a being outside of time the all knowing. I also asked why the first 300 years christianity did not had the consept of trinity. who are the heretics are now the early christians or now. they believed Jesus was messiah and prophet and what about the christians rushed to the arabian peninsula when they heard of last prophet is now has the last testament. they knew it from scriptures. what are the scriptures they are talking about. I ll not trust people interpret words of their savior despite its cleary there for everyone. and not even question the first 300 years of christianity when they were beliving Jesus to be prophet. gospel is hogwash watered down with how God loves everyone. that is not true. he destroyed people before us to know how severe the punishment is and to be sign for the mankind. and you know that.Quran has scientific signs no human kind knew look at how god describes human embryo in quran 6. century man could knew this? the true stories of the prophets look at prophets in quran vs bible, and the antichrist how will he emerge how can we know that this mans is the falsemessiah is thought is islam . I have yet met a christian that knows who is the antichrists is .or how to differentiate him. there are lot issues mate and noone of it is answered because many of the church fathers speculated on something about Jesus s words. then others thought his speculations are Jesus s exact word so now they speculated on top of those speculations. the first 300 years of christianity is same as islam. and there are no room for the change. we will not get a nother prophet. except that Jesus will return some day in time of need to fight the antichrist but that makes large chunk of people heretics who will save them before or after Jesus. Quran 5.116. And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, You I know not what is in Thine. For You know in full all that is hidden. 5.117. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou was the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things. 5.118. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise." 5.119. Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah. That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires). 5.120. To Allah doth belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is therein, and it is He Who hath power over all things.

[@pastorbri]

true, homophobobics want to interpret and reinterpret the scriptures to suit their earthly desires.

[@kevinmarshall5176]

Well put David. The lord knows we are all weak in the flesh that's why he will always forgive us if we repent .we must examine ourselves daily and tell the lord we are sinners and be truthfull where are hearts are at

[@JA-ru3il]

You sounded like you were going to hit the nail on the head but you turned at the last minute there. It is actually required for our society to put them to death. If you love your homosexual friends and family enough to spare them, you do not love or understand God enough. It is our duty, not our decision.

[@Psalm146-2]

The question in this video is a good illustration of the fundamental misunderstanding of the Bible that many (most) people have. And sometimes anti-Christ cherry picks certain topics in an attempt to cast God with negative stereotypes. The Bible is written in two sections, the Old Contract and the New Contract (Old Testament and New Testament). Under the Old Contract people were under the law - the penalty for breaking some of those laws was death (similar to what many countries have today for murderers). Putting people to death in the Old Contract times was a portrayal of what was required of a person that did not have God’s grace (grace = unmerited, unearned favor). But under the New Contract that was put in place when Jesus the Christ died, the contract states that if a person believes in Jesus the Christ and the plan of redemption that He carried out, then that person won’t be condemned to hell - and under the New Contract there is no concept of the Church/believers putting people to death for any sin. Every human that has ever walked the face of the earth (other than Jesus) has been/is a sinner. Every one of us must acknowledge that sin and turn from it (repent). It doesn’t matter if the sin feels natural or not. Call out to God and ask for His forgiveness - this life is a one shot deal - there are no do overs - once you lie down and take your last breath your destiny is sealed so a wise person does not put off seeking God.

[@wickedness_666]

Dark Blue Christianity is a cult religion. Do not follow it. Religion is screwed up entirely. It’s nothing but worshipping a god whose a terrorist, and whose a danger to America. And other countries. Jesus Christ is a terrorist! Don’t follow his words. His words are poison to the mind.

[@bernardocarneiro1982]

Just a question: do you believe in god out of fear? Do you only believe in god because you're like a scared child that fears life on Earth and fears you're going to a lake of fire? Do you believe in god because you want something,out of interest?

[@wickedness_666]

Bernardo Carneiro No. I don’t believe in god out of fear. If so, then your god would be one of the most mass murderers of world history. Your God is a part of a terrorist extremist group, such as Isis. In fact, your god died last year. He was Abu Baker Al-Baghdad’s I. The leader of Isis. If you support, Isis, you better stop supporting them. They are not a good group whatsoever. They’re one of the most cruel, evil, and demonic terrorist extremist groups of all time. Do not support terrorism. Stay the hell away from it. It’s wicked as hell. Terrorism is not allowed in the U.S.

[@bernardocarneiro6029]

@@wickedness_666 Im an atheist brother

[@bernardocarneiro6029]

@@wickedness_666 to me,Allah or whatever is just as stupid as the christian god or something. The only god-related things im interested in are greek mythology,norse mythology and Indian/Japanese mythology, because it's awesome. But I don't believe in any god whatsoever

[@pissanukatika3720]

Homosexuals in the time of Abraham and Lot were punished by the eruption of volcanoes. There are palm readers ,necromancers snd spiritists that would be killed.

[@escajedac2740]

God loves everyone He said pick up the first stone those of you that have not sinned We have all fallen short of God's glory yet He will never give up on us He will never leave us nor forsake us glory be to the Father the son and the holy spirit In Jesus name we pray Amen

[@staymasculine6849]

Its interesting how you perverting the verse? In Jewish laws there should be witnesses 2 or 3 and woman who was caught in fornication must be judget with the man! But for judgment they bring only woman alone, which is lawlessness. Yes God is merciful but when we dont repent and show tolerance toward homosexuality , that time wait how judgment can start from you not from homosexuals. Might be they are blinded but you can see but not saying that they are on the way of destruction. But wait western christianity says we must be tolerant to gay people. To whom you serving to God or to human

[@svenerikmoeller8809]

He doesn’t like sinners and if love is involved with the Noah’s story and Sodom and Gomorrah then that’s the variation of love I could do without! Ps For shit and giggles check up the story of Sodom and it has little to nothing to do with lust nor does it have masculine connotations, and another interesting fact from Christian Theists that the ancient Jewish word Yada ( to know ( current Christianity define as to know carnally)which was translated to Greek them into the King James Bible has been used over 900 times and yet only 14 times has that word been used as a sexual connotation including Sofom and Gomorrah

[@bcg3166]

@@svenerikmoeller8809 , he doesn't? For someone to not love everyone John 3:16. He sure does. He's not going to condemn the world John 3:17. He hung around sinners- Jesus, Friend of Sinners:

[@svenerikmoeller8809]

@@bcg3166 Yeah a friend when they were alive but how about after???! Does Jesus have the power of souls of the departed and does he have the ability to send the souls to either heaven or hell and if so how can any sentient being with morals send someone who is their friend for damnation for all eternity??! Christianity is founded on Judaism which in turn was heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism after the fall of Babylon. Zoroastrianism was the first to introduce Satan vs god and the ancestors of Jews back before the fall of Babylon believed god was married to Ishtar and if you were really really bad you did go to hell to be punished before ascending to heaven!

[@svenerikmoeller8809]

@@bcg3166 Just want to say this, out of all religions yours is the most mocked yet when it comes to sacrifice and helping others your near the top and that I respect. Practice not preaching

[@kennyrogers3602]

This is complete nonsense. Leviticus doesn't qualify its laws. Leviticus doesn't say "Until Jesus is born this is a law, but after he's born you don't have to pay attention to any of these laws." In the analogy this guy gives, the military guidelines specifically say that certain rules should be used in specific instances. If you have to try this hard to explain away the plain language of your holy book, maybe it isn't as divinely inspired as you think it is.

[@donovanstanford7361]

2 questions: what does that tell us about the nature of God if we have worked out that it is simply immoral to have homosexuals put to death and what does Jesus himself say about homosexuality?

[@dream1way]

So why was sodomy punishable by death until the 1800’s? If you had asked any Christian that question 100 years ago they would have said yes without blinking an eyelid.

[@Steppin2theAM]

This is good! The explanation makes me curious as to Pastor Piper's views on dispensationalism

[@joelnenadovich8141]

Amen. This podcast is the best.

[@joelnenadovich8141]

@David Custer Test everything he says, against scripture. Not your own emotions.

[@josiahlutchman4913]

@@joelnenadovich8141 I mean he backs up most of his points with a scriptural occurrence

[@samuelniles3348]

“God doesn’t want us to put LGBT members to death anymore” still implies an acceptance of when it was done in the past, and that is frightening.

[@sad-pt7xd]

Alex nobody Gay people don’t harm society anymore than you or me

[@99biff]

@Delusional Sexy Pants True, but the question is actually about God’s law (don’t engage in homosexual intercourse) and if we submit to it or not. It’s not a statement about contribution/harm to society; to your point, I can harm society as a pharisaical, religious hypocrite no matter what my orientation.

[@alennarek2004]

Do you guys not know that the wage of sin is death? And that Jesus Christ came upon the earth to not abolish the Law but to fulfll it? Have you people not read?

[@leeroyjenkins3448]

Alex nobody, Then that makes you the murderer. Then you just killed somebody because they stole something and you thought other people would get encouraged by him.

[@leeroyjenkins3448]

Alex nobody, Besides there’s no perfect society and has never been so get your fucking head out of your non existent U-Topia

[@offrdk5]

12:08 What is church discipline?

[@thepanda1044]

I'm not actually sure myself. They never really give specific details on the matter

[@offrdk5]

@@thepanda1044 They can't because either there isn't or they would have to follow what they say!!!

[@morismembreno9455]

The bible tells us to put all the deeds of the flesh to death.

[@pastorbri]

thats homophobics stuffed then

[@pastorbri]

@@wickedness_666 thats the homophobic lifestyle for ya sadly

[@wickedness_666]

pastor brian How the fuck is it sad for me? I’m not a homophobic person. I fucking hate homophobic people who talk shit about gay people. I am for homosexuality. Go back and reread my previous reply. We’re you fucking pay attention? Fuck no. You need to pay more goddamn attention next time. Again, I’m not a homophobic cunt. So yeah bro, you must’ve not paid attention. Get your head outa your ass, and fucking focus goddamn it.

[@pastorbri]

@@wickedness_666 I assume reading is not ur strong point as I was agreeing with u....maybe go back to school and learn to read mate?

[@wickedness_666]

pastor brian Reading is my strongest point, fucking idiot. What the fuck do you mean? Haha. Sometimes, I wonder if you can’t read correctly cause you’re too much of a dumbfounded dip shit that can’t process, and absorb the shit you read, especially my replies. Haha. Go back to school yourself, and learn reading all over again if you’re too fucked up in the brain to read correctly, and can’t absorb shit.

[@Dailytherapistonyts]

game over homosexuals we got god on our side

[@arthurbiddle4201]

Good to know that at one point God did condone terrible things like slavery, child murder, and killing gays. Thank God that God came to us in human form and then sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself then he took a weekend vacation. That makes so much sense.

[@karimtemri1664]

If you study Islam you will notice it does have in common slavery and killing gays just like the Bible but there is no child murder. The prophet Muhammad went as far as saying to treat your slaves like brothers by feeding them clothing them and one of the best deeds a man can do is to free a slave. There are dozens of hadiths that say that freeing slaves is an expiation to sins. The reason why slavery exists is to force hostile populations to live side by side with muslims and see how they act, pray etc. Also an explanation I have found is that some people are slaves as God wants to test them. Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “They are your brothers whom Allah has put under your authority, so if Allah has put a person’s brother under his authority, let him feed him from what he eats and clothe him from what he wears, and let him not overburden him with work, and if he does overburden him with work, then let him help him.” Narrated by al-Bukhari (6050)

[@four-x-trading5606]

Lmao 🤣🤣🤣 so true

[@Србомбоница86]

It's not for everyone ,God is not for you

[@TraderJason1]

The self-appointed apostle Paul of Tarsus famously claimed that “God is not the author of confusion” (1 Corinthians 13:33). So why do we need someone else to tell us how we are to interpret the Bible’s position on any topic? And why, globally, are there are over 45,000 different Christian denominations (according to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity, 2019), all with conflicting interpretations and divided on just about every major social and political issue, and historically killing one another over these differences? And why are there hundreds of English language translations of the Bible, each with its own spin? (My Bible app alone contains a whopping 85 translations!) Evidently Paul was wrong. We’re all sooo very confused!

[@alexp8924]

2 questions: was it ever moral to kill gays? Are you discarding OT selectively or entirely?

[@seeqr9]

Is it ever moral to draw the line anywhere for any reason on what is allowed sexually?

[@matthewcorcoran2891]

You really have to ask that question??? People like you are the reason laws and religion were invented. Try listening to what your conscience tells you. Oh and in case you didn't get that, the answer is NO! It's never been moral to kill anyone, unless in self defence or defending others who's lives are being threatened.

[@alexp8924]

@@matthewcorcoran2891 I am not a Christian so it doesn't matter for me either way. But I find it troubling that a third of the world has sht like this in their holy book and that they are fine with it.

[@matthewcorcoran2891]

@@alexp8924 I see, well I take it back then. You should phrase your questions better though, in order to avoid ambiguity.

[@JA-ru3il]

Thou shalt not "murder", which can be thought of as pre meditation, or with malice, or no real reason. There are very few times you can kill someone and still be right with God. Self defense, being the basis for most of those reasons.. and biblical instruction. It is written in the Bible that a man who lays with another man as he does a woman, is an abomination and should be put to death. There is no room for your own interpretation. They must be put to death, we cannot pretend to know more about death than the almighty.

[@bape.ape_5852]

Meaning The Jews Are No Longer The Chosen Ones?

[@stevesaunders8862]

The jews meaning non believing in Christ Jews? You must differentiate between national Israel and spiritual Israel ... but the Israel of God or the true Israel which include converted Jews and converted Gentiles then yes these Jews are the chosen ones who get heaven .

[@emmanuelsson7941]

"We don't need to distinguish ourselves from the nations of the world we are part of the nations of the world!" Why did he say that? That's a huge red flag. He completely ignored the passage of us being the salt of the earth and the passages about us not being apart of the earth but in it.

[@Yoshiii99]

Surfer Josh timestamp?

[@emmanuelsson7941]

@@Yoshiii99 9:30 He may not have been aware of how that is an issue. But we do need to be distinguished from the nations. We are a peculiar people.

[@redfordwilson5042]

If that law as well as the rest of the laws lasted only for a time, then the Bible gives no basis for objective moral values. The pastor does some hand waving with his analogy, but the problem still remains. For example, if one is stoned in ancient times for working on a Saturday, but currently one is not stoned for working on a Saturday, that is an example of an "absolute moral truth" not being absolute at all. Laws that change overtime are neither absolute nor sensible.

[@SteveTheWizard]

Well if the one who makes the law decides to change it, then the law can change. The law is not the center focus of the Bible, but the maker of the law is. Only Jesus has the authority to redefine the law because he is God and he proves that through his life and work in the fulfillment of prophecies.

[@redfordwilson5042]

@@SteveTheWizard Why can't you understand? If moral truths change overtime, they are not absolute and therefore not objective. If God says: "Stone all the adulterers!" in ancient Israel, and then later Jesus says: "No, let the one who is without sin cast the first stone! (in other words, don't stone her at all)", that is not an objective law. The apologetic of claiming Jesus fulfills the law may work for the sacrificial system, but when God decides to do a full u-turn on quite a few things in the new testament, that simply shows relative morality.

[@SteveTheWizard]

@@redfordwilson5042 How we are commanded to interact with a moral law is not the definition of the moral law. Just because we no longer kill adulterers does not mean adultery is no longer wrong. The morality hasn't changed, simply the punishment for the crime has changed. There always has been an objective moral law that hasn't changed. Even before it was revealed to humanity sin was still sin, but the proper punishment (earthly or heavenly) for those sins has changed as God is the ultimate judge of those things. He can change the punishment without changing the law and still have an unchanging moral law.

[@l-kin3480]

Civil laws change. Moral ones don't

[@thecuriosLEO]

God gave Moses the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai to serve as principles of moral behavior for the human race and one of the commandments was " Thou shalt not kill " and then in Leviticus God is telling Moses that the people should kill those who worship other Gods or are homosexuals can someone please explain this to me ?

[@winterpalette11]

Contemporan Poet exactly it does not make sense, but people have to understand that the Bible has been written and re-written hundreds of times into several languages. Historically, the Bible was also compiled years after it was written. The scrolls that make up the Bible were scattered around the world and found in their original language years later, therefore there are bound to be some inconsistencies in the book that gave rise to a whole religion. Personally, I can’t blindly follow whatever the Bible or any religion entirely says because there is no guarantee of everything being God’s word. The Ten Commandments and the Book of David seem to be the texts with most integrity. To be honest, I believe that following the Ten Commandments is probably the best guide to living life. If you take life at it’s core people are bound to make mistakes, but it doesn’t mean that because you do something sinful in life that you becomes bad person forever. I, personally, do not think being queer is a sin and I don’t know whether God thinks of homosexuality as a sin or not only God knows. I do know, however that people suffer tremendously with being queer for many reasons. Furthermore, regardless of who people love, I know that what matters the most is the goodness found within people.

[@justinhaughton]

It’s do not murder. Not kill.

[@justinhaughton]

It’s do not murder. Not do not kill.

[@Dexters.LaBOREatory]

You are wrong. Moses didn't address the "human race", he addressed the Israelites. The human race do not collectively belong to God. He has made that obvious in the bible countless times.

[@ChaosRevealsOrder]

Lies! Why don't you show them the whole thing? 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, *NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER, NOT THE LEAST STROKE OF A PEN, WILL BY ANY MEANS DISAPPEAR FROM THE LAW* until everything is accomplished." There is no specific mention where the law of homosexual persecution is overwritten in the new testament, so the rule still stands. You are trying to create of excuse by looking at other laws that have been updated and create a "trend". Well guess what, read Matthew 5: 18 again.

[@xavierthomas5835]

The new death we put them to is the death of the law of sin and death not a physical death that will not last. it is easy to kill someone for us people who are murderers by nature, bit it is much harder to tell them they shall die for eternity if they do not repent. How can we who have escaped judgment judge others? We should be found of God hypocrites. The same one who came to fulfill also said that there was a servant who required the life and slavery of his fellow servant when he should have forgiven and shown grace like his Lord did to him. In the words of Jesus himself, I am come an ensample that ye should do unto one another as I have done unto you and again, do ye likewise.

[@illusiveman1]

I am interested. Please explain more.

[@xavierthomas5835]

@@illusiveman1 I would warn you that there is a speech we are not to partake of and a hearing we do not have part with. Take heed that you hear no other doctrine other than the Doctrine of Faith unto Salvation, wherein Christ, by himself,.sanctified us and makes us holy in his own blood. And besides this there is no other necessity for righteousness and holiness. Amen

[@andrewsandilands8974]

This explained nothing to me. His arguments make no sense. If anything, it highlighted to me that the whole thing is just a creation of man. Surely if an all powerful, all knowing god chose a people and wanted to give them guidance about how to live he wouldn’t change that guidance…or what sort of god is he. The more I study Christianity, which I have been doing with an open heart for 40 years, the more I conclude that it has nothing to say to me.

[@JacksTestimony]

Wrong perspective

[@andrewsandilands8974]

@@JacksTestimony thanks for the helpful comment

[@ravikeller9626]

Andrew, Piper's basic point is simply that different commands apply differently to people in different contexts. Surely you don't have an objection to that in principle, right? The gist of the video is that the Old Testament applied to the Jews under the Old Covenant and the New Testament applies to Christians under the New Covenant. These are two very different audiences in two very different contexts and that's why you see differences in the commands. Maybe you're right- maybe whatever version of Christianity you've been studying doesn't have anything to say to you. But God has something to say to you. A lot, actually. Please let me know if you need further clarification.

[@andrewsandilands8974]

@@ravikeller9626 it’s about time he gave us another “new” covenant then. Surely we are a very different audience, in a different context, to first century Christians. If God has something to say to me I’d be very happy to hear it, but he seems to have been curiously silent for 2 thousand years.

[@legionofgod6691]

@@andrewsandilands8974 if God spoke you’d already be a Christian…..He wants your faith and you lack that

[@nomei22]

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

God was speaking of the Israelites, only, L. S. _1 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites...."_ (Leviticus 20: 1-2)

[@joshuaokoro-sokoh2993]

Homosexuality and INCEST are two different things, STOP MIXING WORDS!!!

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"Doesn’t the Bible Tell Christians to Put Homosexuals to Death?"* No. The Bible tells Christians that they cannot practice homosexuality, themselves, however the punishment for homosexuality is not death but, rather, exclusion from the Kingdom of God. It is true that God told the ancient Israelites to put homosexuals to death. However, that theocratic punishment applied only to those living under Israel's then theocratic government.

[@Marinus_Calamari]

The Bible does tell Christians to put homosexuals to death, and for most of their history Christians happily obliged, often going the extra mile of torturing homosexuals to death.

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

No it most definitely does not tell us to do that. It is a stinking practice, but the Christian is a New Testament person who is saved by Grace which is the totally undeserved favour of God bestowed on the sinner. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, completely changed how God deals with sin - note, not God's opinion or hatred of the act of homosexuality which never will change. The Son has revealed God the Father as a God of Love, who is willing to save all who come unto God by Christ Jesus. The saved individual becomes a 'new creation' in Christ Jesus and all will be changed. The homosexual practice will cease because there will be power from the Holy Spirit to reject this unseemly practice.

[@1sgr1999]

If we don’t follow the Old Testament then we must forget about the creation story Noah’s flood Moses parting the Red Sea etc. etc as all fraud

[@kevinkeyes6625]

Your analysis seems convoluted. Does a person need to navigate through all the complicated contradictions and find a way to connect the dots? Should Understanding God's word be so difficult?

[@xavierthomas5835]

It is actually rather simple. God gave us a law, if we broke it we die. If we believe, now rather than back then, in Jesus the Son of God, who once and for all died for us, we will not have to die ever again, but rather inherit eternal life. Simple.

[@junevandermark952]

All religious myths are narrow minded. There isn't anything broadminded about believing that your own soul is holy, while other souls are evil, or that your own soul is sin-free, while other souls are loaded with sin. Only human animals suffer from such grandiose delusions. If humans went extinct, other forms of life would carry on suffering, as they did before humans and their religious mythologies ever polluted planet earth. The religious word "sin" hurts many humans. If we replaced the religious word "sin," with the non-religious word "behavior," it would keep us grounded. Humans would no longer believe that a god existed that was spying and judging their every move and thought. I suggest that we should be taught as children that we are whole, just as we are, and that, concerning how we treat others, the onus is on us.

[@xavierthomas5835]

You have missed the part where we start out unholy and by no means of ourselves have been redeemed by God's own Son, who loved us and gave his own life for us. If some other man gave e their life for you, you would thank him, but because it is God you reject him to justify yourself in darkness having seen nothing of your own soul. That which we see we have seen by faith and that not of ourselves it is the gift of God. The same gift I have you can gave if you would recieve that you are wicked and without ability to do or judge rightly unto repentance. But you would not hear me save by the grace of my Father.

[@AlastorAltruistGaming]

Yes (Leviticus 20:13), but the big question also comes in: If the Bible says people like me are to be put to death, how am I not dead yet?

[@jeffmatts2919]

you are dead already spiritually speaking

[@mayor3213]

It says should be, not WILL be. We SHOULD take shower, but we arent forced to physically.

[@IVBW-by8lf]

Jesus also says that throw the first stone at this lady if you haven't sin or something like that

[@rebirth_mishap]

I got a few prepped and ready, I need an answer quick

[@nicholasclarke8182]

😂🤣😂🤣

[@LRM5195]

Underrated comment 🤣

[@eric-jr2nf]

Ask the police and the courts. They are the ones in place to execute criminals. If they don't see homosexuality as a crime now then there is nothing you can do. You don't even understand what a law is. You think they were just vigilante killers running around? It specifically says there must be two or three consistent witnesses to prove a crime and the executions were public after the judge pronounced the sentence, not private killing parties. If the Bible became law, then you would deliver those homosexuals to the judges. But if it was found that you don't have any evidence of their act and you are the only accuser then YOU would yourself be executed as a false accuser in God's law. But you can't even read the whole chapter and compare verses. Any lawyer and judge does that with government law, they don't just take one law and use only that. Laws are understood in relation to other laws. Your little joke just shows how dumb you are.

[@LRM5195]

@@eric-jr2nf You need a hug?

[@legionofgod6691]

😂😂😂😂😂 Wowzers

[@vickiesutherland4628]

Noooo the Bible doesn't tell Christians to put homosexuals to death, only God can take a person's life. And he's going to do that eventually in the great white throne judgment. All Judgment belongs to God in these cases, "Judgment is mine" sayeth the Lord and they will stand before Him an He will Judge them absolutely. Even those that put them to death. Just remember, God's court is the highest court

[@thepanda1044]

It says to put gays to death in a few places in the bible. Where have you been

[@newhorizonsforfifty2833]

It's very simple. Anybody that lays a hand on me in this manner WON'T GET THAT HAND BACK!!! That is not a threat. IT'S A GUARANTEE!

[@Kariegoz]

If you attempt to protect your flesh by force you will eventually perish, for he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Pray the blood of Jesus over your life, ask for His holy fire protection all around you. Then, by Divine Grace, God will deflect any attacks against you before they arrive, and you will be kept safe.

[@pastorbri]

@@Kariegoz and any homophobic that touches me would feel the power of the law.

[@jailhousewallet5893]

Lev 20:13 says what it says. Listening to a defense of it is asinine. The pastor guy can’t outright slam it, but slickly dismisses it. He can’t admit The Bible isn’t perfect. If “the old convenant” is “obsolete”, why include it?

[@DaddyAZTL]

the bible is perfect. homosexuality is disgusting.

[@jailhousewallet5893]

@@DaddyAZTL the bible is bullshit and you’re disgusting

[@DaddyAZTL]

@@jailhousewallet5893 a man is suppsoed to reproduce with a woman not a man. thats how aids and stds happen. so techincally your the disgusting one not me.

[@jailhousewallet5893]

It’s too bad your mommie and daddie reproduced and had an abortion of an idiot of a person as you come in to pollute this world. You’re probably a closet case. Or a pathetic virgin wacking it in your mom’s linen closet. You and your Bible thumping backassward view can go fuck itself

[@jailhousewallet5893]

And what’s up with your initials; “AZT” is an AIDS drug? Too bad they don’t have AZT for bigot idiocy

[@robraver]

it was the law as to the Jews. there are a lot of harsh punishments for all manner of crimes. No I dont think killing anyone is going to cure any ''problem'. Christ paid for ALL of Sin. that was the whole point of what He was about, ultimately. Its tragic in that a long time ago I saw a Homosexual man who was right on the edge of accepting Christ, until a new preacher was aware of his lifestyle...and did a big sermon about it all. Its not up to any of us to convert anyone, we can only introduce and help people. The conviction and conversion is God alone. Suffice to say the young man and his family never bothered turning up to church again. very sad.

[@pastorbri]

THATS THE POWER OF THE HOMOPHOBIC LIFESTYLE!

[@pastorbri]

@@jevs1555 no am just christian ta

[@jlolson53]

Sounds like a recipe for virtually any interpretation of the bible. A tortuous exercise of logic, IMO. The author makes an interpretation that favors his current humanitarian views. Christ said he didn't change anything about the old laws. The alternative interpretation is just wishful, non-biblical thinking.

[@mareefranceszarmaos8409]

Love it 👐 thank you pastor John

[@Idrick]

Everyone says gay is wrong I am gay and same sex is not hurting no one but people who think it’s wrong which is not love is love

[@jcwt_pdx]

He without sin, cast the first stone.

[@efont81]

Love how he abbreviated the Matthew verse

[@kar3n35]

bible says that homosexuals will not inherite the KINGDOM of heaven. When jesus comes with a sword he wont be asking questions.

[@rainbowvibes3151]

Actually it said “boy molestors” the fact that the original Greek work was mistranslated to say homosexuals is what has society as it is today.

[@sofiabravo1994]

@@rainbowvibes3151 boy molestors? Lies.

[@kar3n35]

Translation mistake? Maybe U can tell that to jesus. That u heard or someone told u that the translation was wrong. Good luck.

[@rainbowvibes3151]

@@kar3n35 not about to argue nor debate with u or anyone else. Nobody told me nothing nor did I hear it🙄it’s called research maybe you should try it. Trust this 1 saying everyone is arguing about is not the only thing that has been mistranslated.

[@rainbowvibes3151]

@@sofiabravo1994 if you say so🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Crisism3]

Someone help are Christians allowed to support lgbtq?

[@happytortoisee]

As a Christian, yes.

[@AlastorAltruistGaming]

@Drewstar as contraire; I’m a supporter of LGBTQ+ groups, and in fact, I’m LGBTQ+ myself. And I, too, am a Christian. It’s not my job to judge those kinda people; it’s my job & the jobs of others who give a damn to HELP those groups of people get the acceptance & equality they do deserve, in the same way that I should help the homeless, poor, children, elderly & immigrants (legal ones, mind you).

[@legionofgod6691]

@@happytortoisee No

[@kinvesthegenius752]

it will be good if you do this types of videos with text

[@JoshuaClingman]

They have a transcript here: www.desiringgod.org/interviews/doesnt-the-bible-tell-christians-to-put-homosexuals-to-death There's one for every video in the video description.

[@topcat6459]

That was a good explanation about how Paul handled that sex with the mother in law issue ... BUT ... U did NOT mention what Paul said in ROMANS 1:17--32!!! Why not???

[@anniemouse111]

No he didn’t did he? All these “loving” “that’s been done away” teachers either hide or apologize for God and his Bible whether it’s Leviticus or Romans 1. No need to apologize these people are supposed to be punished according to Romans 1 by the government Romans 13. (“Terror to evil doers wielding the sword…” anyone anyone Bueller Bueller??)

[@DRayL_]

So,......god does change? Or are you saying that god has a different set of standards for those ancient Hebrews as for everyone else? Interesting about the "new covenant",...Jews don't recognized it.

[@barneyfifem.d8411]

No God does not change. When people made animal sacrifices in order to wash away their sins, God looked forward in time to the blood of Jesus. The animals never really did anything they were only an arrow pointing to things to come. The old testimate was imperfect because it was looking forward to Jesus, and since Jesus had not yet come some things were different. The law was given to us to show that we needed a saviour. It was impossible to follow all the commands, and God knew this. He was showing his people that they needed something else. Jesus came and brought the perfect system meaning that many aspects of the old are unneeded. Now we only follow laws that are repeated in the new testament. The jews do not believe Jesus was the messiah therefore they missed the whole point of the law and they still follow old testament commands. Jews are not Christians because they are missing the Christ part.

[@DRayL_]

@@barneyfifem.d8411 I understand the doctrines and dogma of the faith. My questions were more rhetorical.

[@barneyfifem.d8411]

Well then have a great day

[@DRayL_]

@@barneyfifem.d8411 As a side note to all the religion debates,......I have to say that Barney Fife was one of the best comedy characters of all time. Just a comic genius! After Don Knotts left The Andy Griffith Show,....that show just wasn't all the funny anymore.

[@barneyfifem.d8411]

@@DRayL_ Exactly. He made the show. He was the reason it was so popular, and the reason I love it so much myself.

[@jakedaniel3763]

Okay...but...God still commanded people to be stoned on the basis of mundane matters. This is not an answer to the question at all.

[@JohnJones-qy5ko]

Why is no one asking a rabbi about that?

[@__-io6pl]

1:00 "its NOT difficult to answer this problem".. the amount of self-confidence right there

[@__-io6pl]

@Halloechen Studios a god that obviously changes his morals throughout history

[@josiahlutchman4913]

@@__-io6pl does he change his morals? Or is it that he's changed the punishment due to the new atonement provided through Christ? If he had change his morals he'd have went from homosexuality is bad to homosexuality is good. It's clearly still bad, however due to the atonement through Jesus the punishment is different

[@seekerandthinker]

@@josiahlutchman4913 God commanded people to kill people that committed homosexual act, and their blood will be on their own heads. It was a morally good punishment in the past, this is surely an absurd sense of morality for a supposedly loving God that you (probably) believe.

[@mama-cita]

​@@seekerandthinker I think you just underestimate the severity of sin. The wages of sin is death. We all need a savior, the only one being Jesus Christ, or we will all likewise perish.

[@seekerandthinker]

​@@mama-cita Then explain to me, why is a homosexual act is a sin? Who made that rule? The God you believe so much commanded people that committed homosexual act to be punished by death, as well as a virgin wife stoned to death. Is that an entity worth to be called a loving God? Make it made sense at least

[@vickiesutherland4628]

Not the "Christians put them to death" Eternal death comes with eternity in hell.

[@renleanne3804]

+Desiring God You might want to start reading through the comments on your videos... There is a lot of filth being posted in here by trolls and they really need to be removed. Those of us here who are Christians do NOT appreciate being bombarded with filth every time we make a comment.

[@davidkennedy6251]

Rick L - I would happily see trolls banished from youtube. Just be careful you are not equating genuine critical commentators with trolls. David

[@suppacoo7268]

FILTH? Sis, I took a shower today and am smelling FRESH.

[@wiIien]

@@suppacoo7268 nah mate you smell fucking disgusting init

[@daviddragan7616]

Just because you are a christian does not protect your from critiques, mockery, comebacks or any other form of free speech. You have the right to make a statement, the others also have the right to comment your statement. Just because your statement may be right or you believe that it is, that does not make you immune to critiques. Yes, I am a christian also.

[@heavnxbound]

David Dragan, I think she meant the commenters purposely provoking people by posting irrelevant and hateful things - aka. trolling. The Bible and Jesus is definitely clear on the fact that Christians will face hate and persecution, so that’s alright :) God bless you, David

[@JoseGonzalez-hq1bo]

We should

[@divinemysticalguidanceinsp2590]

Because Jesus already paid that price for the sins of mankind...??

[@Jesus_is_Lord-]

Oh wow! Taking Mark 7:19 out of context to support your love of bacon? It does not say "Thus he declared all foods clean" in the original text. It is an author's interpretation/comment that's why you have it in parenthesis. They are not even talking about or eating unclean food at that time. This is one of the weak verses to substantiate your dietary law denial. May God open your eyes.

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

OK. You do realize that there are no unclean foods anymore? See Acts chapter 10. Bacon is no longer considered unclean.

[@tristankinney9077]

🪞👈🏾 “ For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;” ‭‭II Timothy‬ ‭4:3‬

[@Ed-yu3cw]

Amen, they hate Christ, I know ex homosexuals those are the ones that want Christ the rest rather die in sin rather than to give Christ a handshake, every sinner has a chance given by Christ and they abhor Him, they don't want nothing to do with Christ Jesus

[@bcg3166]

@@Ed-yu3cw , I'm in love with the transgender community. Now, what? I can't wait.

[@therealmaskriz5716]

​@@bcg3166well, your choice

[@apollo8352]

If your seriously wanting to know the facts read Matthew 5:27-28 and get it clear in your mind that adultery is as simple as having any sexual thoughts about any women you are not married to.....And the bible Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:22 John 16:18, Proverbs 6:32, Luke 16:18 and Corinthians 6:9 demands Aulterers be put to death.....far worse than just an abomination or sin but calls for them to be put to death, to stop distracting from this with homophobic hatred and either obey the bibles teachings or bugger off as a failed Christian.

[@JohnJones-qy5ko]

The New Testament has no demands to put adulterers to death. Jesus actually stopped such an execution saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Yes, there are many "failed Christians" out there who don't know what Christianity is, and the media jumps on that.

[@cristiniarguedini6186]

The bible says God words doesn't change

[@2ndPigeon]

And there is the problem with any religion

[@cristiniarguedini6186]

@@2ndPigeon that's why am not a part of them

[@ty-zacharybartholomew5481]

But in Mathew 5: 17 it states “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” This means that the law in the Old Testament wasn’t complete and in the New Testament it becomes fulfilled with the will of God and so it never changed but it became fulfilled sorry if this doesn’t help you and I really hope you can become connected in his word

[@pastorbri]

@@ty-zacharybartholomew5481 actually Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law but fulfill it so the cross fulfilled the law so the old law is dead .... is simple.

[@luxuriousmindset1906]

And it actually did lol 😂

[@alangmiliang4858]

Very good illustration

[@gearbow]

You guys have to do such huge acrobatics in speech to explain away what is clearly described as proper punishment of what the Bible labels as a sin. If you had to admit it you would have to admit that these books are not the word of God.

[@Johnnysmithy24]

So should the 10 Commandments be ignored then since it’s in the Old Testament?

[@MusicalRaichu]

The 10 commandments are part of Mosaic law which has been annulled Eph 2.15. They're good in general, but have you read the fine print? There's aspects that we consider immoral today. Christ's command is to love one another. If we do that, if we actually care about people, we'll end up obeying the 10 commandments anyway. But there will be RARE occasions where loving one another means we might have to disobey them.

[@stmp4160]

No, people say that we shouldn't follow the 10 commandments because we are under a new covenant (even if Jesus Literally stated that the Law is not abolished, so that is basically claiming Christ is a liar) but when asked what is a man to do to be righteous, he literally quoted the 10 commandments. Then when asked about the most important commandment he said that to love God and your neighbour is the basis of the Law, which is true, the first 5 commandments are about loving God and the other about loving your neighbour.

[@nicholas3354]

Proverbs 3, 1-2 "My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life and peace shall they add to thee" It's not so that Jesus declared all food clean in Mark 7. He was addressing hand washing and dish washing as spiritual rituals, and He was speaking of spiritual meats and spiritual purging as indicated by the list of sins that come out and defile a man. Foods such as pork, shellfish, and unscaled fish are not food, they are toxic to the human body. He wants long life for you, love His law and heed His dietary instructions. Much Love in Truth in Christ Jesus bretheren.

[@chessversarius2253]

I know this is an old comment, but I read Romans this morning and feel like it applies here: One indeed believes to eat all food , but he who is weak eats only vegetables. He that eats, let him not despise him who does not eat, and he that does not eat, let him not judge him who eats, for Elohim received him. Romiyim (Romans) 14:2‭-‬3 TS2009 bible.com/bible/316/rom.14.2-3.TS2009 He who minds the day, minds it to יהוה. And he who does not mind the day, to יהוה he does not mind it. He who eats, eats to יהוה, for he gives Elohim thanks. And he who does not eat, to יהוה he does not eat, and gives Elohim thanks. Romiyim (Romans) 14:6 TS2009 bible.com/bible/316/rom.14.6.TS2009 For the reign of Elohim is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Set-apart Spirit. For he who is serving Messiah in these matters is well-pleasing to Elohim and approved by men. So, then, let us pursue the matters of peace and the matters for building up one another. Do not destroy the work of Elohim for the sake of food. All indeed are clean, but evil to that man who eats so as to cause stumbling. Romiyim (Romans) 14:17‭-‬20 TS2009 bible.com/bible/316/rom.14.17-20.TS2009 Romans 14 overall says (from my understanding) that it depends on yourself, whether certain food is acceptable to you or not. Best wishes and I deeply respect your diet choices. Cheers 👍

[@josiahlutchman4913]

@@chessversarius2253 the fact that I've never seen this scripture is proff enough of how terribly weak of a Christian I've been. Only relying on the word presented by leaders

[@chessversarius2253]

@@josiahlutchman4913 Everyone starts somewhere, so don't be too hard on yourself 👍 Start reading the bible for yourself and soon you won't have to rely solely on a leader. However, having a good pastor is great, so try to get one. Just make sure not to look for the "perfect" one. I'm convinced that everyone got something wrong somewhere, that's why we should talk about our believes. My personal suggestion/ routine for Bible reading: Every morning *20minutes* . Do it before school/ work, not after, because else you'll feel too tired. And when you do it like this, it gives you a feeling of accomplishment early in the morning. I wish you much success 👍 and I'm sure, if you really want to do it, God will make sure you are able to. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and the knowledge of the Holy is understanding" -Proverbs 9:10

[@conspiracynikkikimmi5765]

What is your opinion on the accusations that for decades the Bible has supernaturally changing due to the Mandela Effect? This is a growing problem. The channel EYA has almost 1,000 videos about this very subject! Please tell me your thoughts! Shalom!

[@Kariegoz]

In the 1980s the human followers of Satan developed the technology to travel back in time, but not forward. It is a one way trip. They have sent agents back to try and kill Jesus, and make other wild changes to the timeline, to make it so that Satan will win in the end. All attempts are futile, for God already has the victory, but they do affect the present world. Your consciousness is in the heavenlies, the 4th dimension, so if you are in right spirit with God your consciousness is protected, so you will be able to tell when the physical world, the 3rd dimension, shifts because of the past being altered. That's why some are aware of the Mandela Effect, and some are not. Stay in right spirit with God. We are almost at the finish line.

[@seeqr9]

Most of not all of the so called Mandela effects can be chalked up to the majority of us getting our doctrine from hymns, traditions and paraphrasing.

[@conspiracynikkikimmi5765]

@@seeqr9 I agree with that! Not my personal memory of Jiffy PB though.

[@seeqr9]

@@conspiracynikkikimmi5765 lol I tripped on that one too haha. Jiffy lube tho. As far as scripture I’ve yet to see any alleged change that changes anything

[@conspiracynikkikimmi5765]

@@Kariegoz I just seen this a year later but it makes since to me. You are a very smart person.😁

[@AlexanderosD]

how fantastic to see how the hard question about laws about homosexual reveal true freedom through the Spirit. And better yet, the ability and power to live in a life that pursues holiness.

[@rrjkss3992]

It says to kill homosexuals. But that’s because the Bible was written by homophobic men. Sorry,homosexuality is,natural for those who are homosexuals they didn’t choose to be gay. Just like a straight person just can’t choose to be gay. It’s something they have no control of. When they see another person of their gender they get sexual feelings towards them. And when they see someone of the opposite sex they feel nothing. Homosexuality exist all throughout the animal kingdom for the facts it is natural.

[@dimains6011]

@@rrjkss3992 Where does it exist in the animal world? 😂😂😂

[@rrjkss3992]

Dimains every where that’s where . There’s gay lions , giraffes, bears, dolphins, etc

[@dimains6011]

@@rrjkss3992 Um, no.

[@rayerwings8913]

@@rrjkss3992 Dont forget the penguins!~

[@BeNGALi4LFE]

his non-answer is at 11:02

[@winterwolfdoesitall7246]

I don't really get the people who dislike these videos. Can't they listen and at least take it into consideration

[@guiden1954]

I don't get the people who hate people who don't follow their religion/cult the point they think they should be stoned to death

[@JugsOnMySack]

@@guiden1954 I hate KZbin

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

No, bigotry literally *can't* be up for consideration.

[@therealmaskriz5716]

​@@guiden1954Thanks for not understanding.

[@Still.In.Saigon]

Whats sad problem today there are Doctrines wanting to execute the punishment that only God is to punish. Wanting to punish anyone is Gods responsibility not the members of the church

[@donatist59]

"We're not going to kill you, we're just going to take away all your human rights. Praise Jesus!" -- The Fundamentalist Bible

[@archangelariel9088]

😶

[@MrPatdeeee]

"Doesn’t the Bible Tell Christians to Put Homosexuals to Death?" No kind Sir....Jesus (Who IS God) told "Moses" (long before there were "Christians"); to tell the "Israelites"... Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lies with man, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an "Abominable Sin": they shall surely be put to death; and their blood shall be upon them. However, when Christians came into being; Paul said "H" was dead wrong; but he never told the Christians to put the "H" to death. Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not moral... ...UNLESS..."recompence of their error which was meet"; meant to put them to death. I've never understand what that phrase really meant. But I don't believe that it meant to put them to death. So could I be wrong? ABSOLUTELY Yes!. But then; all others could be wrong too... ...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!

[@nicosiabrown3934]

Jesus is not God

[@MrPatdeeee]

@@nicosiabrown3934 ​ @Nicosia Brown 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was within God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. May Jesus who IS God; have mercy on you on Judgment Day "Blasphemer!"

[@MrPatdeeee]

You say, "It is impossible for Jesus to be the Son and God too!" Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. I rest me case. Praise Jesus the God Almighty.

[@nicosiabrown3934]

@@MrPatdeeee The NT is bull crap. God never claim Jesus to be His Son and God doesn’t like human sacrifices. Why would He kill Himself? God said come to Him not a middleman,

[@MrPatdeeee]

@@nicosiabrown3934 Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. I thought Isaiah was OT. But then I could be wrong of course... Now YOU "Buster Brown" or "Sister Suzie"; are a Blasphemer if there ever was one. YOU have NOT a clue what is truth. And that is YOUR business. But on "Judgment Day"; YOU are going to rue the day YOU were born; just before Jesus (who IS God); casts you into a "Burning Lake of Fire" (hell) Whether YOU believe it or not. Finally: I have a enough of either your islamic, Judaic or atheist, etc, "Espouses". So IF you are a muslim (and I think you are); YOU will also know that YOUR so-called Qur'an; is a satan-led, Godless LIE. And satan laughs at you and your "ilk; all the way from here to hell. END of story. I shant read your hogwash again. So flay away Buster Brown or Sister Suzie...And many Jesus have mercy on your worthless souls.

[@tedbates1236]

That may have been true under the Mossic law but not in New Testament times. We are in the age of grace where we do not get what we deserve.

[@daviddragan7616]

Actually, we do get what we deserve. Just not yet. Later, after death

[@LeoRegum]

This is dealing with a question of civil administration of justice: Christians who steal or defraud etc. ought still to be punished even in the "age of grace".

[@tedbates1236]

Yes if we break the law and get justice we have to go to jail or pay the fine. As we have a justice system here on earth, God is a just God and the wrong must be judged and paid. The problem is that we all have broken the law hundreds of time for which God must judge and condemn us. But God so loves us such that He came down in the person of Jesus, live a righteous life but then paid the pentaly of all our sins upon the cross. If we place our trust and hope in Jesus's goodness on our behalf, then we will not get what we deserve because the fine was paid by Jesus.

[@anniemouse111]

Romans 1:32

[@maxvalue8403]

I totally disagree with this., First, when the guy says “ this is really easy to answer” this is very unnecessary to even say( just answer the question if you really feel that way) he proceeds to use an analogy to answer a question that he claims is so easy to answer? Usually when you use an analogy is because the answer is complex. Not only that, his example in my opinion destroys his belief foundation and I’ll tell you why. The words in the bible are supposed to be GOD’s words, right???? In his example he says if a book was written to a certain audience or in an era, doesn’t this make the case that this is in fact proof that the bible was solely written by humans. Because if is truly the words of GOD it should have stood the test of time, but if it was someone like me or you, you didn’t know that 1500/5000 years later the norms were going to change. So yes, this is one big issue here that cannot be explained. I’m an atheist, but I grew up in a church setting tyoe family, alter boy, communion, confirmation and a bunch of stuff( catholic) I did almost everything, I know about the subject. The biggest issue for religion as a whole is that they point out obvious facts, they pounced at it, but when the bible clearly states, “ homosexuality is an abomination” they want to sugar coat it and somehow say it means love, or it doesn’t really mean that, or that some things only GOD can explain. This is totally ridiculous, we cannot have a discussion when people are altering facts that doesn’t help Their narrative. Growing up I used to pray to GOD, I used to talk to him, but I never heard him, I never saw a clear sign. I was excited to experience the holy ghost, I didn’t feel anything! I’m not one to pretend. I respect people’s opinions and they can do whatever they desire, in fact I believe the bible is a book written for the greater good of humanity in that ERA, when society norms were vastly different from current norms, but to say is the words of GOD, and our maker, I’m sorry all evidence doesn’t support it. If you’re a religious person, you have to die on that hill, you cannot change facts or try to sugar coated it. To wrap this up I’ll say that most of the book is decent and I’ll say you can take a lot of good morals from it, but it clearly shows the bible was written solely my humans with no help of a greater being, because of the flaws, contradictions, and human’s inability to see into the future.

[@juanayala2132]

Let me expose you real quick. God taught through love and it is said that when he would preach he would do so in a soft,Welcoming way so that way his followers could feel the love he has for them. So when the bible says "they shall be put to death, there blood is upon them" that is not the way of God or how he would preach. Who talks like that? It sounds so inhumane.

[@josiahlutchman4913]

Who are you exposing exactly?

[@QuantumParticle]

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you claiming a dissonance between the OT and NT or something else? If you aren't relying on Scripture, then how do you know what God talks like?

[@mrenigma1564]

Wtffff GOD TOLD YOU KILL THEM SO KILL THEM.WITHOUT QUESTIONING

[@xavierthomas5835]

Even more so then these other two, who exactly do you know has heard the voice of God at any time? He has given us his word through others and that so we might recieve it ourselves. Where then did you hear God's voice so you could judge exactly how he sounded? Of softness of voice is the point then surely John Piper is God to you because I have heard no hardness in his speech. If you judge by the appearance you will only appear to be right. Judge righteous judgement and you will be right.

[@TheIslamicRevelations]

Yes, it does but Christians cherry-pick bible verses. They do as they please. They accept the verses that suit them and reject the ones that don't suit them.

[@Narcos-wb4yq]

Look not all Christian are Christian OK and am not baptized yet. I can support the lgbtq that's not righteousness

[@Flightkitten]

@@Narcos-wb4yq wait, not all Christians are Christian?

[@ShadowOfNexxus]

When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.

[@thaliarose8741]

Thank you

[@melissajones1532]

I think what your definition of respectful is is that if something is true in the word of God you delete it

[@xavierthomas5835]

He has only done what Jesus said do. To be gracious and to preach a new life and way to life everlasting through his own body and blood. Why the. do you require their blood and not your own? For I, saith the LORD, have forgiven you the same sins as these? You top have defined yourself with mankind by agreeing to their evil deeds in your lowest moments and acting as they do to es are their temporal judgment. Shall not your blood be required also then? Verily, I shall require it at your hand.

[@melissajones1532]

Lol

[@melissajones1532]

@@xavierthomas5835 okay that was 8 months ago the only thing I know about homosexuality is written in the Old testament is that yes they are killed in the flesh not the soul and that's basically what the word says to do and this generation I don't know but I sure as hell wouldn't want wouldn't want to be no homosexual and walk before God looking for my ass

[@xavierthomas5835]

@@melissajones1532 Your mocking shall be required at your hand, one day.

[@melissajones1532]

@@xavierthomas5835 well maybe if you're lucky you'll be able to witness that hand when I'm delivered before Satan on Mount Zion

[@henryogie9620]

Leviticus 20:13 was crystal clear...let's adhere!

[@joansmith525]

Let's go motherfucker, put your hands on me and I will show you to your maker. My state has stand you ground laws

[@danielthompson8867]

Your saying to kill all gay people like Hitler did the jews???

[@linin3288]

I believe that the punishment of the law apply but only to true God-led states(only the state of ANCIENT Israel has ever truly followed God),and the only change the messiah brought to the punishments of the law is that if people confess faith in the messiah and repent they get a second chance (as with the example of the adulteress who the messiah saved from stoning by the pharisees),notice how in the example of the adulteress in the end he told her "sin no more",meaning if she had sinned more she should have been rightly punished, that's why I only believe in only a second chance ON THIS SUBJECT on other subjects I believe as the messiah said that we should forgive 77x7 times.

[@danielthompson8867]

@@linin3288 if someone is gay they are gay...thats like you saying someone should repent for being short....the Bible says they should be put to death. Sounds like that's hitlers logic...kill everyone that is a certain way..terrible

[@donaldbush1182]

Isn’t that why they killed Jesus?

[@pastorbri]

the old laws are dead, the NT says so we can ignore the old laws unless God lied?

[@stmp4160]

Not really, as Chirst said, he came to fulfil the Law not to abolish it. The covenant is done, yes but the moral side of the Law cannot be done away with, objective morality does not change. Well essentially, you have to listen to the morals, not the ritual Law, which Jesus ended by being the eternal sacrifice or the government Law. The Law was presented to the recently taken out of slavery Israelites, whom might I add, were not the greatest of followers or the most faithful (for example in exodus 32:1-6, in which, after Moses left for just a few days, they Immediately turned to worshipping random idols and other gods after seeing the literal Sea being split in half). Had God given a perfect Law, what would they have done? Would they have accepted it and kept it? No, Israel struggled and defiled the Law even when it was shifted to fit to what they could accomplish with their hard hearts, as shown all over the OT, for example in Judges. The reason stoning, such a harsh punishment is employed, is because they had Just gotten out of Egypt, the same society that had the Pharaoh's wife be killed if he ever died and killed slaves, which Israelites were, for the Slightest of things. Had God given them correct punishment, they would not have taken the Law seriously and they would definitely not keep it. The Law is also not perfect, outside of its punishment, when it comes to the actual Law, for example with allowing "slavery" or more accurately debt-paying servitude which that itself isn't great either since until the servant payed his debt, he was as property, even if he was to be treated humanly, as we see with Laws such as exodus 21:26, or verses such as 21:20, though both of them imperfect, because of the hard heartness of Isreal. These things are shown, both from the overall tone of God and the way Israel is portrayed all over the OT but also explicitly stated in Matthew 19:7-8, wherein, Jesus, after being questioned about divorce, points out that the only reason Moses and God allowed for it was because of the stubbornness and hardness in heart of Isreal. That it was not meant to be so morally, for what God has put together in the holy bond of marriage is not to be torn apart by man Unless a good reason is given such as sexual immorality in the marriage (I.e. if the man or woman abuses each other and forcing them to have intercourse, if one cheats on the other etc etc.). It is also shown in Numbers 27:1-11, wherein it is deliberately shown in action, with Isreal essentially demanding a king and though God states that it is not right and that they have disgraced him in this way, he still allows it due to Isreal's stubbornness, so that they can at least follow the Law and God under a human king. The Law was made up of three parts;The 10 commandments and general moral instructions (moral Law), the ritual law (sacrifices and such for the washing of sin) and the 'government' law. The only perfect part of the Law is the moral Law.

[@MusicalRaichu]

@@stmp4160 The "law" (more correctly translated "instruction") is not made up of 3 parts, it is made up of 5, Gen, Ex, Lev, Num, Deut. In any case, the NT says: "we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit" "why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear?" "He has annulled the law with its commandments and ordinances"

[@stmp4160]

@@MusicalRaichu Genesis has no moral instructions from what I remember, what you described were the deuteronomical books(books of Moses), not the Law. I was speaking about the contents of the Law, not the books it is in. Also Jesus clearly stated that the Law is not abolished. Paul also made it clear that "just because we are not under Law but under grace does that mean we are free to sin? Of course not!". The moral part of the Law remains because what is moral and just remains as moral and just.

[@MusicalRaichu]

@@stmp4160 There is no "moral part" of the Torah. It's all or nothing (James 2.10). There are plenty of rules in there that we now see as immoral, some so illegal they'll land you in jail. Mosaic law is outdated. Jesus said he did not dissolve the law (Mat 5.17). It still exists and stands as foundational scripture. However, the old covenant with its stipulations has been annulled (Eph 2.15). It is no longer in force. We no longer obey God by following moral rules (Rom 7.6). Rules have limitations (Mat 5.21ff). Doing good and not harm has priority over rules (Mat 12.1-12). Instead we obey God by developing a kind, caring character (Gal 5). Doing good and not harm is sufficient to obey God (Rom 13.8-10, Micah 6.8, Mat 22.40).

[@MusicalRaichu]

@@stmp4160 There's no "moral part", it's all or nothing James 2.10. There's plenty of rules we now see as so immoral they'll land you in jail. It's outdated. Jesus said he did not dissolve the law Mat 5.17. It still exists as foundational scripture. The old covenant with its stipulations has been annulled Eph 2.15, no longer in force. We no longer obey God by following moral rules Rom 7.6. Rules have limitations Mat 5.21ff. Doing good and not harm has priority over rules Mat 12.1-12. We obey by developing a kind, caring character Gal 5. Doing good and not harm is sufficient Rom 13.8-10, Micah 6.8, Mat 22.40.

[@benitojohngenitojr.5608]

Are they Perfect and without sins if they are not homosexual? judging the Homosexual as sinner is just judging yourself as sinner.judge not and you shall not be judged.Let GOD the CREATOR be the ONE to Judge Us All according to HIS Good Purpose.

[@Charles.Wright]

"judge not and you shall not be judged" - you haven't read that passage in a while, I take it. Also, "judgement must begin with the house of God"

[@stevensierzant3729]

Why does it say in revelation that near the end we will start sacrificing again?

[@someting9205]

Yes it does. And for good reasons. Always follow the words of God.

[@guiden1954]

why

[@patrickjohnson1998]

You mean follow the words of men who made shit up.

[@blahblahblacksheep6347]

Yikes

[@vardrids]

Mf what 💀😂

[@ac0mpleteunkn0wn]

Jesus may have fulfilled the law BUT he did not abolish it! Mathew 5:17-20 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven

[@twoyears23]

Book of Romans (After Christ), says it is an act worthy of death. After Christ--It is about coming to repentance. Those acts are a choice and a religion in itself to a different god. Mainly, I believe this is the reason God calls for it. Why are culture is pushing for it so hard. As Christians, I believe we are called to turn away and speak against what is being done, and push for these states where gay "marriage" has been "legalized", to overturn these clear violations against God by purpose and design. That is the battle we are in I feel.

[@pastorbri]

homophobia is the real sin

[@justinlastname2931]

@@pastorbri what is your religious status, i am having trouble interpreting what you say. /:

[@pastorbri]

@@justinlastname2931 christian, and all christians know homophobia is a sin

[@justinlastname2931]

@@pastorbri while both are sins do you mean homosexuality or homophobia

[@pastorbri]

@@justinlastname2931 homosexuality is not a sin, it never was, whereas homophobia clearly is a sin. Simple.

[@justin-btsellendegeneresan5665]

Speaking as a Christian who’s not homophobic nor an LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 person and wanting to express my feelings about your video from reading the title (unless it’s one of those videos that has a misleading title): Just sickening. Also, you’re making atheists totally more skeptical of God’s and Jesus’s existence including convincing them of Him not being love and instead a non-existent, homophobic m*rderer. Funny how “Christians” are convinced and think a criminally annihilating deity is naturally able to exist. Speaking as someone who’s spiritually protected (protected from death) I don’t read the Bible (but which my fellow ARMY (BTS fan) and Christian, MarryAnn has truly read the whole book and isn’t homophobic), but I trust testimonies (and incredible ones) and they show God and Jesus exist including not hating LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 people.

[@legionofgod6691]

You are not Christian you are a lukewarm

[@codystringer419]

No one wakes up and decides what sex they prefer.

[@seeqr9]

Can’t speak for everyone.

[@seeqr9]

@Lance Wells indeed some of them we may not even able to blame for their desires but the responsibility of acting on them no doubt is theirs. Still others can and do decide to pursue lifestyles that lead them to desires with which they weren’t born.

[@codystringer419]

@Lance Wells well try it out tmrw and see how that works.

[@user-xs1pp9oi5z]

@Lance Wells are you literally fucking saying gays are perverts? Wow, just fucking wow.

[@pastorbri]

@Lance Wells beatiality is the rape of an animal, when was rape seen as ok?

[@ZXA999]

So in other words god order from past is not for people of future so god said you not allow have sex outside marriage is for people back not for people today

[@acatssoftnose3940]

Let us grant you that this law (e.g., stoning homosexuals) is context and time dependent in dealing with the people of God before Christ, it doesn't change the fact that this law commanded the people of God to stone homosexuals solely on the basis of homosexuality: and this was supposedly commanded by God. This would mean homosexuals, even if they meant no harm, were once supposedly commanded by God to be killed. It doesn't matter if they wished they weren't homosexuality, kept it secret, etc. Their sexuality alone was a premise for their death. I beg anyone reading this to reconsider the laws of the Old Testament as largely being the creation of men. After all, if I am correct, God only explicitly gave the 10 commandments and perhaps a select other laws in the Old Testament. I can't recall him giving every single one of these laws. However, if you know of scriptural evidence that warrants you to take every Old Testament law as given by God, it doesn't matter if we are free under Christ, for it remains a fact that God commanded the death of people solely on the basis of their sexuality. Nothing more. Please show me an escape from this conclusion. I don't want to believe God is a monster (and most likely an imaginative creation of men).

[@chrisman305]

Well, the book of the covenant was given to Moses on mount Sinaï from God Himself (Ex 20:19-21, 24:3-8). The laws in the book of Leviticus where spoken to Moses from God from the tabernakel (Lev 1:1), also in the case of the penalty's for homosexuality (Lev 20:1). And even the repetition of the law in Deuteronomy by Moses is confirmed by God by commanding him to sing a song to Israël so they dont forget the law (Deut 31:19). The whole law is even set besides the ark of the covenant (Deut 31:26). In the New Testament Jesus acknowledged the whole law as Gods revealed law (Math 5:18, 15:4) and also the apostles said that the whole Old Testament including the law was inspired by God (2 Tim 3:16). So if you want to believe the Bible, you got to believe that these laws are from God. I understand that these laws may come over as unjust and cruel, but thats where our understanding of Gods nature is crucial. Leviticus itself says that God is holy (Lev 19:2). When we understand that, than we understand why even the smallest sin deserves a eternity in hell, and why it is a just thing for God to say that homosexuality deserves the death penalty. It doesn't make God a monster, it makes Him a righteouss judge. If we think its cruel there is something wrong with our understanding of right and wrong, not with God. The law of God shows us how bad and awful sin is in Gods eyes. Luckily God is also a saviour and merciful so that we sinners can be saved and forgiven through faith in Jesus Christ, that would include homosexuals who would rightly deserve the death penalty (1Cor 6:9-11). I hope this is helpfull for you and that you may change your mind about Gods law. And that hopefully you can sing as the Psalmist sang: " O how I love your law !" (Psalm 119:97).

[@Slashtap]

This is a fair point. To distill what you said in paragraphs: in essence, while Piper's response is correct, it is incomplete; it still begs the question and leaves the same elephant in the room that we began with. As a Christian myself, my answer to this problem is a variant of the "frame of reference" argument chrisman305 alludes to in his own comment. However, I'm curious to know if there is a more technical and more satisfactory truth out there to shape a more complete response to the gap in Piper's response.

[@199NickYT]

I know this will probably not change your aversion to the concept, but a clarification has to be made. If a person saw themselves as attracted to the same sex, that was not grounds for being put to death. There is not one verse in the Old or New testament that even condemns same-sex *attraction*--in that being tempted is not something you can control or are accountable for. You are only accountable for your *actions* and how you respond to temptations, and so it is acts of sexual relations with the same sex that was grounds for being put to death, *not* the temptation to do so. It was not sexual identity that was grounds for being put to death, as your post implies; it was actually *acting on that temptation* and committing physical sexual sin that was grounds for being put to death.

[@davidkennedy6251]

Thanks for clarifying that. However I genuinely do not understand what you mean by 'If a person saw themselves as attracted to the same sex'. 'Saw themselves'? You know to whom you are attracted - it's not a mystery you have to look for. I emerged from puberty solely attracted to other men and that has not changed in the years since. I have never encountered a woman who has sexually attracted or aroused me, to this day. Whether I see myself as homosexual or not is irrelevant. I am homosexual in my sexual orientation and that will always be the case. 'LIfestyle' and 'identity' are fundamentalist weasel words, stuffed full with cant and hypocrisy. The other point to make - leading on from what you say - is that this is a sin unlike most others. We are pretty much all tempted towards anger, pride, gluttony, indifference to the poor, greed, selfishness. But 98% of people have no danger whatsoever of becoming involved in homosexual behaviour. For the remaining 2% of people, their enduring orientation is towards their own gender so they will be tempted frequently about this and it would be almost impossible for them not to act out these feelings at some point. The Law can seem cruel because it is. It was primitive. Lesbian sex is not an offence and it was OK for King Solomon to have 700 wives and 300 concubines as well as to marry girls of 11, 12 or 13. But any homosexual contact at all led to stoning. May God be praised that we are in the New Covenant.

[@199NickYT]

Hi David Kennedy​, I'll try to respond to every one of your points. First of all, I'm not making a statement on how obvious someone's attraction to their same sex is. My statement applies no matter how mysterious or how obvious the attraction is. (Aside: I had always assumed "identity" is a word used by people who believe same-sex acts are not sins, that since homosexuality is their *identity*, that being kept from fulfilling that identity is denying who they "truly are.") Second, regarding constant sexual temptations, I disagree that it is only something that 2% of the population will encounter. I would wager that the majority of people will encounter this kind of ongoing sexual temptation--yes, even heterosexual people. For married heterosexual people, for example, it doesn't matter how attracted they are to their spouse, unless they are married to the most attractive person of the opposite sex on the planet, they will be tempted every day by people they see and images on TV and online. To use your argument in this case would imply that adulterers really had no choice, they were simply following their innate identity to be with whom they were attracted to most--it was them following and fulfilling who they were by cheating on their spouse. The same goes for anyone who is unmarried being tempted to be sexual in any manner with a boyfriend/girlfriend/etc, heterosexual or not. (By the way, this is not limited to sexual sins.) "The Law is cruel and primitive." This is a subjective statement based on the idea that whom someone is sexually attracted to defines who they are as a person and denying them that denies them who they are. Christianity is opposed to this idea--a person's identity is based on God, on them being redeemed by Jesus, not on their sexual attraction. Not sure if you're saying Lesbian sex was "not an offense" in the Old Testament, but I can assure you that it was not allowed either. Sex was and is only allowed in marriage, so implying that lesbian sex is OK means you are implying there were Lesbian weddings in God-fearing Israel in the time of the Old Testament, something that is absolutely not true. As for Polygamy, the design has always been for one man and one woman, although Polygamy was allowed. There's a great article here on why it may have been allowed, but the main point is that the ideal is God's design, one man and one woman. www.gotquestions.org/polygamy.html And as for marrying young girls, I've never heard of that before. Can you give me a source that shows King Solomon married girls of that age? I want to end by saying that being sexual or intimate is not the end-all be-all of God's plan for people. If a couple decides to marry, that is good, but at the same time, there are several verses saying it's good for a man not to marry (and not to have all that marriage would bring, including sex and intimacy). Someone who does not marry or never has sex is not missing out--their sinful flesh may tug and pull at their heart telling them they are, but it's not true. A person can be completely platonic their whole lives and absolutely live a life wholly devoted to God, a life without "missing out" in some way. And in the end, we are not of this world; we are only passing through it and everything it brings that Heaven does not have (including sex and marriage). www.gotquestions.org/sex-heaven.html Disclaimer: I'm saying all of these things from a Christian perspective because that's the tone of the discussion--I'm defending the old Law (being used in its time that is not now) from a Christian and God-fearing perspective. Of course it doesn't make a lick of sense being viewed from an atheist or non-Christian point of view, so I couldn't dream of arguing this from that angle.

[@johann15.]

i haven't started the video but judging by the like to dislike ratio i wanna see "what human explanation they'll give" levitcus 20:13 if man sleeps with man the same he sleeps with woman he ias an abomination and shall be put to deat: lets see how that sys gay is right and not abominable