Do You Need A MMO Mouse for FFXIV? And How to Set It Up

[@kickcross1]

For anyone using an MMO mouse, I always recommend changing your hotbars to 3x4. This allows your hotbars to visually represent where they'll be on your mouse, making the muscle memory sink in faster. This also allows you to put your Alt, Shift, and Ctrl hotbars next to each other in the same style.

[@batwingpie]

I agree. I do this, and I know my keybinds no matter the ability or job just by where they sit on the bars. Visually it is soooo much clearer.

[@CHARGEMEDOKTOR]

Yess it already feels so much better for me than using the keyboard 😭 I don't even have to look down

[@MauricioPlaza]

do you use modifiers to use everything in the same mouse? i use it but now im thinking if it is a good idea. For example i tend to split like Hotbar 1 all single target or heals and hotbar 2 AOE and DPS for healers. im open to suggestiong

[@kickcross1]

@MauricioPlaza I do roughly the same thing, putting single targets on Hotbar 1, AOEs on Hotbar 2 with Shift, buffs/self-heals on Hotbar 3 with Ctrl, and then anything I rarely use on Hotbar 4 with Alt.

[@Zomatacon]

I have small hands, so the stretch across the keyboard is very difficult. So a mmo mouse allows me to play more comfortably

[@peger]

Same.

[@HollowRick]

Same

[@Trae142]

The MMO mouse was life changing not even just for FF14

[@o_p3459]

As someone who struggle to not mess up skill rotation and while not looking too much on hotbars, it's very helpful. My brother gave me one after he bought portable console. Twas hard to adjust, now i'm comfortable playing with it and able to familiarize my skill rotations.

[@henry9606]

I would recommend the Corsair scimitar. It's comfortable, you can move the 1-12 numpad for smaller or larger hands which is great and it has plenty of software DPI and RGB options. It took a week or two to get used to, I was a clicker at first. After some time it became natural. Luckily FF has great UI options without the need for plugins. I use 3, 3x4 hotbars using 1-12, shift+1-12 and ctrl+1-12. I couldn't play the game without it.

[@Jeff-ne1lh]

The Bindings on the Scimitar are wonky at best...if you want to go Corsair use a Darkstar...otherwise you can't beat a Naga X

[@Mashangi]

I use a G600 and after the 27 keys I can program across 3 hotbars I have F1-F4, Q E R F T and that covers every ability I need. As another commenter said have the hot bars in 3x4 format so the button grid matches the mouse button layout and makes muscle memory easy.

[@wpelfeta]

pro tip: Use A and D for strafing and don't bother with keyboard turning. Use mouse to turn. This gives you 2 extra keys (Q and E) that are easy to reach.

[@iPlayOnSpica]

I don't even consider that a reason to switch to strafing. Notice he's already rebound Q and E to hotbar slots.

[@zaboolovescodex]

I use EDSF for movement giving me QWRTAG as easy bound abilities. Then 1-12 on the mouse itself. Good to go.

[@AquaMusica305]

@@zaboolovescodexI need to picture this what your doing might see if I should try it out or not

[@AquaMusica305]

@@zaboolovescodexok so like my only thing I would find annoying if it is a thing would be having tab target feel different to press and how much muscle memory is already usto wasd tho with esdf I would use qwrtyafgh(j?)zxcvb with the mmo mouse also 1-6

[@zaboolovescodex]

@@AquaMusica305 also could just do the standard wasd movement then 1-5 QERF then shift of all those then control of all those. Easy to reach tab and don;t have to stretch fingers passed 5.

[@Don_DeMarco]

Yes indeed, while you don't NEED a MMO mouse, it makes a world of a difference with no just MMOs but for just about any game you would play. While I use one from Logitech, I would recommend getting the Razer mouse that has interchangeable parts. So you can swap out the MMO function with one that is good for MOBA games or if you don't want any side buttons at all.

[@Mintack_]

I binded my hotbars to 1-6, Q, E, R, T, F, G. And my 2 mouse side buttons are Ctrl, Shift.

[@ihaveanxiety8093]

Thanks for the idea

[@yourconscience.6697]

@Mintack_ What program you use to change side buttons for ctrl, shift? X-button dont work for me, FF14 dont see changes.

[@LobsterFusion]

I'm a controller player for FFXIV but I used a Naga back in the day for Wrath and Cata. The value that thing brought to my gameplay was high. I loved it.

[@johnmeyer5474]

Redragon M913 is a good budget mouse with the full 12 keypad on the side. I've used it for 4 years now and its performed quite well. couldn't imagine using a different style for any MMO anymore.

[@Jaroartx]

Great gonna get one this week

[@Hail2Reign]

I use the Razer Naga and the Tartarus. Because the Tartarus has a D-pad with 8 directional inputs that are re-assignable through Razer's software I reassign up, down, left, and right to be Cntrl, Cntrl+Alt, Alt, Cntrl+Shft. Then, in FFXIV, you assign the corresponding hotkey and number assignment to the hot bars. With just my 2 thumbs I can press 48 keys for skills. It only took about 2 weeks of duty roulette to get used to it and re-memorize the rotations. Now that I have done this, I can't ever go back since it saves my hands and frees up the ability to move 24/7.

[@HerzogZosa]

In fact, you can config your game Setup to match perfectly to the razor mouse-button layout. i did it in a way that gives me visual feedback, so i know every time on wich button is a certain skill. use the 4x3-layout and config the razor buttons like "1, 2,3,4 - cut 5,6.7,8- cut 9, 0, ß, ´ - cut and done . hope that was understandable and helps som1 :3

[@bug_c4tcher]

For sprouts or people who go from controller to K+M, it's probably the best purchase to do if you want to focus on MMOs (especially FF, 'cause you can have a clean UI with 3x4 hotbars) BUT for people like me who can memorize their rotation with shortcuts already with any random (or not so random) keybinds they got for years, it's hard... like HARD-HARD... I purchased a Corsair Scimitar last week and the mouse seems nice. No problems when I was just scrolling around or playing some ARAM games on LoL to test it. So, I jumped into FF, went to a new layout, finished my new clean(er) UI, did all keybinds from scratch to 1-12 / shift+1-12 etc. and tried to do some casual stuff. Like some FATEs. Even with my main job (PLD), it felt like when you try to draw with your weak hand! xD My muscle memory just SLAPPED me in the face even for the most basic rotations... If I stop for some months, 'cause now it's pretty much dead period 'til the next expansion anyway, I may consider coming back with the MMO mouse. I think this way it COULD work. Especially if they change some rotations anyway.

[@mykeh8697]

I saw a comment on Reddit saying to place less used skills 1-3 and have your thumb resting between 4-6 & 7-9 that way you can easily bounce between all 4 rows of buttons including 10-12

[@GoddessCynthia]

An MMO mouse is what gave me the confidence and honestly ability to play on a higher level

[@itsaivan]

One I have since 2019 is the Redragon Impact M908. It's a great option for those who live in America and can't afford most hardware accessories due to currency conversion.

[@twodopeboys9356]

Just got one this weekend and like it so far, I play on console and used a usb keyboard to chat and controller to play but got curious about M&K it’s clunky right now but I think that’s mainly cause I’ve never played m&k after a while I I think I’ll like it even more

[@arxeha]

I used mmo mouse when i still starting the game before i wasn't accustomed to the keybind. After i took my time adjusting to the game flow & adjusting the keybind to fit within my left hand on keyboard, now i rarely use mmo mouse for spell usage only for movement instead (WASD, sprint key, walk toggle, jump, and also targeting) edit: for keybind i use combination of F1F2F3F4, 12345, QERTY, FGH, VBN with using my pinky finger for either combination keybind with shift or ctrl. in the end it boils down to preference.

[@arcanadawn]

Thanks for the helpful and insightful video! Your English is great, by the way. Also, I saw one other person mention it, but in English, the plural of Mouse is Mice. Don't ask me why, it doesn't really apply anywhere else lol.

[@Billychort]

when i first got my Logitec mmo mouse i found it hard to get used to using the keys but when i did WOW it made a HUGE difference, I even use it for my other games A LOT like DOtA or survival games (ark, the front, conan etc) to swap to items i want to use quickly. I have now changed and im using corsairs 12 button mouse and it is really nice you can slide the 12 buttons forward or back to fit your thumb placement, big game changer

[@Some__Guy]

I switched to an MMO mouse a few months into 14, and while I was lucky enough to get a decent one first try, replacing it after awhile was definitely a journey in discovering all the little things that could make an MMO mouse infuriating to use. Part of the problem was that I have a very thin area that I can use as a mouse pad, so I'm constantly picking it up to recenter it. So when I got a mouse where the buttons were a bit too easily pressed, I would keep accidentally pressing a button when I just meant to lift up my mouse. Then I got one where the keys were too far back on the mouse, and it meant that I had to curl my hand uncomfortably to reach them. It took about 3-4 tries to get a good one. A good key placement where the thumb can rest naturally, a little lip beneath the buttons that can be used to help grip it with the thumb without hitting keys accidentally, and keys that are spaced and molded just right so that they're all distinct enough that you can quickly figure out what's what just by touch, while still being close together enough to comfortably to reach every key.

[@HollowRick]

Which one did you end up going with? :)

[@ninponighthawk]

I bought a razr naga pro after a series of poor performing logitech g600 series mice. They increase in number of buttons took a solid week of practice to get accustomed to but afterwards i found myself performing better, dropping weaves less often, and overall not having to bind so many wierd combinations. Before i had normal, shift, ctrl, and alt + now its all normal ctrl and shift. If you take the dive, spend 15 or 30 min a day running stone sky sea. Once you can reliably down pass the fight try not looking while doing it. Then turn of your hud and do it. If you can clear with your hud off you know youre set and you can all but instinctually react to whatever is happening.

[@steveaustin4118]

I use the logitech G600 because it has the extra button on the right I have bound to ALT, I'd suggest buttons 10,11,12 bound to spells/action with a cooldown as they're the more ackward ones to get to

[@iPlayOnSpica]

I have that second right-click bound to CTRL because it's the most awkward modifier to access. I can easily hit ALT with my left thumb.

[@steveaustin4118]

@@iPlayOnSpica I find I hit space, I have my little finger on shift so it's simple to move down to to CTRL

[@ChrisDoesStuff999]

I switched to a g600 because moving my left hand around my keyboard was starting to hurt my wrists and having the 3rd mouse click as control as made life so much easier because while shift is easy to press, control was less comfortable than I'd like and now that problem is solved. At least until it eventually breaks and no other MMO mice have a 3rd mouse click, but I'll figure that out when it happens lol.

[@GoddessCynthia]

I recommend the G600 personally. The third mouse button helps the most

[@ophidens1577]

I don't have an mmo mouse. I only have left/right click and 2 lil buttons on the left side of my mouse, i use only thoses both buttons to use my proc as bard, continuation as gnb, hypercharge as mch, en-avant as dnc, ect... I use my keybord for my skills and my mouse to move. I don't need any more buttons on my mouse, i can use all my skills with only 1 hand on my keyboard. For my skills, for the first hotbar, i use 123456, for the 2nd hotbar i use CTRL+ 123456, for the 3rd hotbar, i use alt+123456 and my 4th and last i use f1 f2 f3 f4 ctrl+ f1 f2 f3 f4. Like this, i have acces at all my skills, even as PLD or AST. I have a corsair k40 as keyboard.

[@DanielRoloff]

IS a MMO mouse helpful? yes Do you NEED one? no to me it comes down to personal playstyle and what content you do in the game. i'd say that outside of minmaxing for endgame raids, it doesn't matter how you set your hotbars, or how you activate your skills. i tried a mouse with 9 thumb buttons, and i constantly kept fatfingering skills. the buttons were just too small and close to each others for me. in the end i returned to my normal 2 button mouse and am happy with it till today. what i did though was change those buttons to use shift and control, so that i can switch between hotbars with the thumb, while still using the number row to choose individual skills, that's more than enough for me

[@johnnyT527]

I'm looking into getting one of these. My hands have to much scar tissue to stretch out for OG keyboard play but I want to get out of just controller gaming.

[@saengerkrieg1275]

I also use the Razer Naga but its the only available Left handed edition and i totaly loving it.

[@kyrolazioko4783]

My PS5 controller on PC says a mouse is not necessary unless I'm using Dalamud to click around menus.

[@TheGreatWizardTaes]

I love my Logitech g600. I bought some backups before the price shot up, but I'm need to look for an alternative before i run out of them.

[@yamashirokirishima6397]

The comfortable grip and easy reach is definitively the number one factor for the mouse. I had nagas for years but swapped to an aerox 9 after the scroll wheel again started double clicking. And it was a terrible decision and I wish I'd tried to test it out before buying one. The buttons and button cluster are much longer than on the naga as well as angeled away making the 1-3 buttons nearly unusable and 4-6 not great either. To the point my hand will end up feeling strained after a while when actually using the side buttons. Feels like they just took an aerox 5 and slapped a numpad on the side without giving it any thought. Really wish there were more good options for proper mmo mice, especially slightly 'slimmer' ones.

[@Coolio_Ash]

I have a g600 and i wish i could just unassign it and make it so that it registers as a unique mouse button instead of a macro or a keyboard key

[@NoradNoxtus]

the number of buttons i need for my NIN is kinda crazy, definelty more than WoW. that alongside the role buttons + pots and mounts and stuff means all 36 buttons are used lol

[@bandi138138]

I use a logitech G600, which has another "click" for the ring finger, which i have mapped to "ctrl" key, cuz i find it hard to reach with my left pinky

[@jerjavec]

Need is such a strong word, but it definitely can be useful. I had a Logitech for years, and when that died I moved to a Reddragon (just due to cost). I was mostly just using it for quality of life, mapping things like sprint, mount, etc. When I started leveling the Healer line, I mapped the party selection to my buttons, and it was a game changer. Hit 1 and start attacking the mob. Tank needs heals? Hit 2, toss some heals, hit 1 and go back to attacking. Someone is in the boonies and not being reached by my AoEs? Hit the party number for the boonie ranged, toss a heal, go back to attacking. So much faster and easier to just hit the party number with my thumb while still on my mouse than to click-to-select them (which was my previous method).

[@HollowRick]

I use a hori FF14 tactical assault keypad and G600 its a killer combo :D as i Also get analogue movement

[@taigaaisaka6305]

Do you need it? No. Does it makes you life so much better that you are never going to want to go back to a normal mouse again? Yes. The change is like going from 1 monitors, to 2 monitors. Anyone who's experienced it will never want to go back a single monitor. Same thing with an MMO mouse. It is a massive QoL improvement when playing not just MMOs but pretty much any game, even FPSs, which require few buttons, still benefit from a MMO mouse.

[@Judahia]

I play on laptop and rarely even use the trackpad apart from camera tilting , no mouse is even necessary imo

[@Soress9]

I use a razer naga and have 3 rows of hotkeys set on it with just holding alt or shift. only a few skills arent on it like limit break so i dont accidentally hit it.

[@peger]

Do you need fancy gaming mouse? Probably not. But having mouse with extra button on the side that can be used as ctrl/shift will be a life changer. I use Logitech g502

[@MillieBoBilly]

I uh.... Used a laptop and mouse track pad when healing in Throne of Thunder... I was forced to get a mouse after playing this way since Cata because of Jindo the God breaker on heroic and his massive lightning balls being too difficult to run around otherwise. Now I have no idea how I did so well with that set up before and can't not use a gaming mouse now.

[@rinshotin2521]

Look at dat cute thinking kitté in the thumbnail~ you just love being a cute catgirl, don't you?~♡

[@kenjiayoma7571]

MMO mice are great when you have a 10 key less keyboard as well, when you need to input numbers without a NUMpad

[@PuyochaGaming]

i am not good with the keyboard so i myself use an mmo mouse. and i find it very useful, at least for me. i have my ui specifically work around my hardware set up, and i dont think i can go back to just keyboard :(

[@KiraGaerled]

I just press some abilities with my mouse cursor xD It's maybe more optimal to learn MMO mouse, but im too used to it, and like holding my mouse freely. Cleared ultimates like that. You don't NEED MMO mouse. Probably if you want to try it, itll be nice. At this point, after just learning game on regular mouse im far too comfy to try changing.

[@SomeGuy-us5bs]

And here's me, playing WHM on my old Xbox 360 Controller...

[@orudosensei1102]

Corsair has release a wireless version of Scimitar and oh god it is amazing, i always prefer corsair for durability

[@loading_amethyst]

I'd say you dont need one. I play on pc with a controller because i have carpal tunnel. Mouse and keyboard hurt way too bad for me

[@psychogiggles5289]

I um click on my abilities and press buttons at the same time is this bad 😅

[@ninponighthawk]

Not at all. It may be slower but I'm sure if you are comfortable with it and can perform as needed then it doesn't matter

[@mindinversions4487]

I'm just gonna dump this as a hot take: I moved from keyboard/Naga to Controller because the combination of my hand and the naga caused huge repetitive stress and friction issues with my wrist. If you're debating between going controller or MMO mouse The controller is cheaper, makes a metric F ton more contextual sense in FFXIV vs keyboard/mouse, and has several big disadvantages vs mouse. These are [in no particular order, and by no means is this a complete list] Area targetable spells are a pain, complex raid healing across raid groups is a no go for targeting reasons, and it's harder to type while you've got your hands full >.> I'd been using the naga line since the OG naga. I still have my V2 pro right here in front of me. I just... find no benefit.

[@jairoiro5625]

For me, it’s impossible to play without a MMO, mouse, rather use a controller than just the keyboard

[@Thakkii]

Like most things , do you really need? probably not but sure it makes it easier to play especially with a million skills like there is in FFXIV

[@richardwhite3521]

What MMO mouse works for ffxiv on ps5? The Logitech mmo mouse that was the GOAT on ps5 has been discontinued.

[@JayShifu]

Been playing on controller since Day 1!

[@Natrii07]

I have small hands so it is mandatory for an effective time

[@batwingpie]

I used the Corsair Scimitar for years, but it has next to no curve and the buttons are all flat without distinction. I eventually found it caused extreme pain in my index finger knuckle after long sessions due to subconciously holding my finger off the left click as it is so sensitive to click. I changed to the Naga Razor and due to the far better natural curve and sturdier clicking mechanism it is far superior in that sense. The side mouse button pad has really well defined button seperation too so it is way easier to use the third row of buttons without misclicking (on the Corsair they all feel the same under your thumb). I liked the Corsair, but after using Naga I would never recommend it over the Naga because of my personal experience. Each to their own, but I thought I would share in case someone reads this interested in trying a MMO mouse for the first time, somethings to consider.

[@dnah02]

Yes I even use one for fps games

[@iPlayOnSpica]

Plural for mouse is mice.

[@BeanisMcbongwater]

Logitech g600 changed my life 🗿

[@ninponighthawk]

I had one...well several but switched after they all developed horrible double clicking within a year of purchase.

[@HollowRick]

​@@ninponighthawkswap the switches out problem solved

[@hyypacomss]

U dont need an MMO Mouse to get to the purple, Pink, Oranges and even golds. Seen enough people "Clicking"

[@lawlsaucemgee7849]

For any body who mains MMOs i cant recommend a keypad like the razer tartarus V2 paired with an MMO mouse enough. I've been using a key pad since the original razer tartarus, about 10 years if im not mistaken, and has made every MMO a breeze. Even more so when you need to visualize what youre pressing, i have my hotbars in every game set up to be a grid of the keypad and the mouse... i never need to look at the bars cuz i know what button on each is going to do. but i mean like i said ive also been using them for a decade. But what really sets the keypad apart from other keypads is the thumb "Dpad" for movement, freeing up the area that would be WASD for action slots. 20+ buttons at your fingertips on the keypad and 10 more on the mouse. to put it into perspective for FF14, I have all the actions aside from 2 on lvl90 scholar on the bars and can press them without extra keypresses like "shift+1"... all the classes *ik some nerds gunna be like "erm actually theyre called jobs"* will fit all abilities between the mouse and keypad lol

[@pennythejet]

The plural for (computer) mouse is mouses. The plural for the rodent is mice.

[@thesoul777]

MMO mouses are a waste of money IMO. You only really need a mouse with 2 (at the very least 1) button(s) on the side so you can change them to modifier keys. This allows you to keybind 30+ keys easily with shift and alt/ctrl as a modifier on the side of the mouse. With mine, my thumb sits right on top of the mouse button so it's almost seamless, same with shift on the keyboard.

[@beans_potatoes]

sorry, I can't press WASD and shift+2 at the same time, my hands are too small.

[@DragonKnightX12]

Hard disagree. I found a MMO mouse to be far more intuitive, then trying to come up with some weird keyboard scheme. WASD and crtl/alt/shift easily lets me have 48 slots to use all with just my thumb.

[@xavierg9066]

I dont use an mmo mouse, i use a cheap ass $6 logitec and im a clicker, cleared dsr

[@asdsad17]

just get a controller. save your wrist from rsi.

[@myerhq8307]

lmfaoooo mmo mouse.. no you don't is the fast answer

[@lastdayer101]

Yes, you need an MMO mouse unless you are a psychopath who wants Tab Target MMOs to be harder for you. It is the equivalent of never learning to type because "I can look at the letters just fine." All of us who took the time to learn typing know it's an entirely new world of capability.

[@pumpkinheadx3715]

that razor gaming keypad is a worth buy

[@Ratix24]

I'm a controller mouse user, I use a razor Naga click my hotbars and I set my targeting on 10 last 11 los 12 next, the scroll wheel i push in to pos ky camera and I move around using the analog to stick on the PS4 controller and target party members using the d-pad. Also, I use the controller for jumping.

[@ihaveanxiety8093]

Can you use the mouse on console?

[@Ratix24]

@@ihaveanxiety8093 I'm pretty sure you can