Destiny 2: Best Vow of the Disciple Legendary Weapon Rolls - What I'm Crafting

[@colef2222]

Demo + Adrenaline junkie is such a killer combination for workhorse weapons. Have it on the VoG machine gun and it has served me VERY well with Void 3.0. Can’t wait to see that pulse with Arcs rework.

[@knightofavalon86]

Yup. This combo on BXR allowed it to punch above its weight class even before the PR buff and made me a believer in this combo. Honestly, this is the first gun I wanted to craft three of: Rapid hit /Rampage, dragonfly/rampage, and demo/adrenaline junkie.

[@wethepeople8280]

@@knightofavalon86 rapid rampage, firefly one for all and demo adrenaline junkie here lol

[@Wencater]

@@knightofavalon86 I hope they can add double or triple perks per slot at least on crafted weapons, cause man insidious has some insane perks on it

[@Fadaar]

I miss my Rampage/Demo Breachlight :(

[@talizorahnarrayya5916]

@@Fadaar we all do, can't bring myself to dismantle mine.

[@drupins9511]

I think demo chill clip on deliverance could be an excellent combo for warlocks on stasis turret builds. Shoot a couple chill clip shots, toss a turret to reload gun, grab shards and activate font of might, and cycle

[@jacktravis2718]

Wow, that sounds WAY better than my Compulsive Reloader build idea. I like this.

[@Henry-6030]

My deliverance dropped with this combo and it's godly, just the freezing from chill clip alone is so good. Add Demo and now you have more debuff and cc on demand

[@HeroGerik]

I have this exact roll crafted on my Warlock, can confirm, Bleakwatchers everywhere!!!

[@drupins9511]

@@Henry-6030 glad to hear from someone who's tried it. I haven't gotten that roll yet so my comment was mostly theoretical

[@CapsFan]

It’s good with Renewal Grasps, too, I’ve been using it the past week of 2 on Warlock and Hunter and can confirm. EDIT - I’ve crafted 2 Deliverances, that’s my PVE go-to. My other one is Perpetual Motion and Tap the Trigger for PVP.

[@catinusz.4741]

Something note worthy here: Insidious with vorpal can 2 burst supers with ~50% DR, I would personally recommend it in pvp over rampage.

[@lilydusk5042]

Really like that Insidious comes with Dragonfly + One for All right out of the gate. Been using this in a ton of raids and endgame content and it's phenomenal.

[@FallingOutTheSky]

Deliverance is extremely good in PvP as well. I got a perpetual motion tap the trigger roll and it MAPS people, highly recommend

[@Gnar_Dogg]

I'd give an honorable mention to cataclysmic with FTTC/Bait and Switch. Pair with witherhoard or izanagi for maximum dps potential. Pop a izi/witherhoard shot, 1 primary bullet, then go to town with 20% damage boost for a bit.

[@adhirg]

Bait and Switch is now a 35% damage boost, so it’s one of the best damage perk for boss phases.

[@BlkZard]

FYI on the pulse: you can get dragonfly + one for all at level 1 so it’s great right away for pve.

[@Jakepopper01]

Yeh I was planning on going for a classic rapid hit/rampage roll, but obviously you can’t get that immediately, so I went with this roll and it’s so good I might stick with it.

[@KepNaki]

I got a Pulse from Disciple that rolled with Dragonfly+One For All, and I fell in love with it. Not the best for high-level content, but Dragonfly can help proc OFA in a group of mobs real easily.

[@theSixPathsOfTrains]

@@KepNaki And then when bungie just adds dragon fly spec into the gun you can finally throw on minor or major spec.

[@petervalvo1186]

Been using enhanced 4th's time + focused fury on Cataclysmic and can confirm that it is insane. With a well/bubble/HEF buff it does about 100k per shot against rhulk. It can shoot 7 shots before reloading if you hit every one so it's about 700k per mag

[@ryanmilligan2031]

with enhanced battery (i think that’s the name) you start with 6 in the mag and get up to 10 shots before reloading

[@bjbmw3]

Yeah if you have one of 2 6 ammo battery perks you can shoot 10 shots

[@ringomandingo1015]

You think you could get more damage if you got bait and switch on it and used witherhoard?

[@petervalvo1186]

@@ringomandingo1015 Focused fury and bait and switch have the same damage value on cataclysmic I believe so you can still use witherhoard with cataclysmic, but focused fury is just easier to make use of

[@amorfati4927]

@@petervalvo1186 Is it really, though? All you have to do is put one bullet of each weapon in and then the damage buff starts. Like you said, with Witherhoard you have forever to put one bullet of your other weapon in. Then Bait and Switch gives you that buff for your first shots where you need to hit those crits (lord knows crit hit boxes can be wonky as hell which sets you back further) before you even get the buff.

[@Xelopheris]

Worth mentioning on Forbearance that the Origin Trait helps with healing, so Unrelenting can be a bit overkill in a lot of content. There's going to be a very narrow window where Unrelenting is going to actually help and not just overheal, and then you get into the content where you can't reliably trigger them and just die.

[@Ahnock]

ah, true. i live and die by my ambitious unrelenting deafening whisper but i didnt even think about soul drinker so i was going to run unrelenting chain reaction. thanks for pointing that out

[@fringehouse]

If you can’t reliably trigger Unrelenting somehow in harder content then you probably wouldn’t use a Wave Frame anyway… Doesnt it activate after just 2 kills? Should be stupid easy to activate with Chain Reaction. In content like Legendary Campaign it would work excellent because it’s hard enough to nearly die often but you do enough damage to get multi kills with a Wave Frame

[@ninehundredthousand2555]

@Sunbreaker Titan Lmao adept big ones on a waveframe, sure. Literally useless, it's an add clear weapon that you'll never use for boss damage. Use major spec if it's that big of a deal but yeah... adept big ones is useless on a waveframe.

[@MrSkywindale]

Hey Datto, just incase you missed it, the raid smg rolls with 100 recoil direction. I don't think you'd want arrowhead break on it. Might want to run fluted for the handling if you want, or hammerforged for the range perhaps? My 2 cents I'm curious if you can freeze guys with deliverance, then shield bash with perrigrin greaves for the 1-shot in gms solo, without a ally running stasis. I just got my pulse crafted, so now I'll grab my pulses.

[@ClairvoyantLastrus]

Well on mouse you'd want full bore for as much range as possible. Stability doesn't matter on mouse. Deliverance as shown in the footage can freeze with chill clip.

[@thetimewornspire3742]

@@ClairvoyantLastrus full bore is the worst barrel lol.

[@ClairvoyantLastrus]

@@thetimewornspire3742 did you just not read my comment fully?

[@thetimewornspire3742]

@@ClairvoyantLastrus yes I did. Full bore is a horrible barrel anyway because ontop of the stability decrease it also lowers the handling stat which is more important than range.

[@ClairvoyantLastrus]

@@thetimewornspire3742 Not in pve lmao who cares if you can ads faster in pve XD

[@Xander--gd5lb]

Bait and Switch is actually pretty solid on the linear fusion (Cataclysmic). Takes 2 seconds to activate and gives 20% for 10s without wasting ammo like Focused fury and applies to body shots on the off chance you miss unlike firing line. Just a great mid-ground option for a heavy weapon

[@atsukana1704]

If your loadout is champ primary, auto loading blinding gl, and cataclysmic that’s an easy pick for a perk

[@Robaldeenyo]

@@atsukana1704 this

[@RaiserMorgras]

also witherhoard exists and is really good with bait and switch weapons

[@Drakon4324]

@@RaiserMorgras what I was bout to say. Tag with a witherhoard and switch to a primary then go nuts with the linear

[@dankerbell]

yeah i had a feeling it would be decent on heavies

[@DUKEzors]

Cataclysmic is also the best FEELING linear in the game (imo). It sounds dope as well.

[@kesslerdavis]

Chill clip on Deliverance is my new favorite thing. It can freeze champions if I’m fast enough, negating the need for mods in most activities. I pair it with steady hands to swap quickly to my heavy to finish off those champs.

[@hydractra]

Something to note about submission: you don't need arrowhead brake since the recoil direction is already 100 from the get go. Just use hammer forged rifling or fluted, or polygonal.

[@asap5665]

I crafted myself Insidious w/ rapid hit - one for all and it's just feels so good everytime I use it in GMs

[@absentzz347]

I was lucky enough to have my first insidious drop with dragonfly + one for all with a reload masterwork so that would also be a good roll (especially since dragonfly can proc one for all; haven't used it in higher level activities tho).

[@pluto3194]

I got the perfect Cataclysmic (Fourth times, focused, 6 mag, charge time MW) as a random drop and absolutely love it. Would definitely recommend that everyone craft this roll as soon as they can, it's one of the best linear fusions in the game with that roll

[@boom-jr8vi]

What’s the damage boost on Focused?

[@sn1pertoaster]

@@boom-jr8vi 20%

[@yeetmcyeet3120]

God roll Reeds with the new Veist perk prolly still takes the crown

[@Unvexed]

@@itsMC. this is good for people who can’t get the reeds regret or don’t want to torture themselves in trials of Osiris. Now I can switch between this and threaded needle for linear fusions.

[@Real28]

@@itsMC. But then you have to play Trials. He also said "one of" not "the"

[@mrpainface8515]

Something to remember is the origin trait for these guns heals based on hits before reloading, so the grenade launcher with unrelenting is just "you don't die-ville"

[@kassanova854]

I will say, having played around with my Deliverance, I highly-highly recommend Demolitionist + Chill Clip. You get the benefits of reloading early to keep the magazine up to 6 shots just by tossing a grenade. Special weapons regen 20% of your grenade charge. And with Deliverance, Chill Clip stays active all the way down to the 4th shot of the magazine. It's not 50% for some reason.

[@scottanderson9414]

By far my favorite roll. Was thinking aj would be better but not even close imo

[@kassanova854]

@@scottanderson9414 Yeah, nah. The utility of freezing/slowing things around your target is too great to pass up. Plus, like, it's the ONLY stasis fusion. You gotta play into the icy role with it!

[@scottanderson9414]

@@kassanova854 enhanced demo is def noticeable also. Prob my top raid weapon this time around

[@bjcooper4365]

Hey Datto Blast Radius on a Wave Frame GL does not affect the wave width. Quick Launch is the best barrel option. Submission: Overflow / Subsistence + Frenzy Deliverance: Cornered + Surrounded or Compulsive Reloader + Chill Clip Insidious: Dragonfly + One for All Lubrae’s Ruin: Graverobber + Swashbuckler / Surrounded Forbearance: Unrelenting / Ambi Ass + Chain Reaction Cataclysmic: Fourth Time’s The Charm + Focused Fury That’s what I’ll be crafting. Don’t sleep on unrelenting on the GL. With Souldrinker you’ll basically be immediately back at full health.

[@ethancollins5501]

Arrowhead break is actually pretty weak on the smg since it already has base 100 recoil direction and it’s handling stat naturally very high. I’d shoot for barrels like hammer forged and smallbore instead

[@FRANKnBERRIES76]

We've come such a long way since the "outlaw + killclip" problem

[@MegaGandhiman]

Bait and switch now 35% bonus damage. I wonder if that changes your assessment Datto.

[@overson7614]

For cataclysmic, I'm rocking FTTC and Ehanced HIR because Enhanced HIR starts at 75% mag size

[@TheFirstCurse1]

Wait what??? Holy FUCK that's amazing.

[@MuddyButtMan]

I’ve seen damage tests with enhanced high impact and it makes no difference in damage. Idk if it’s a bug or a joke but nearly all of the enhanced perks are useless lmao.

[@redpuffy3190]

@@MuddyButtMan its not even nearly, literally all of them are like 0.01 second differences or just increase stability by 5

[@sn1pertoaster]

HIR starts at lower damage and builds up over time whether FF instantly gives you a 20% damage boost (not to mention you're not forced to enhance the perk to make it usable). most people i've brought this up to preferred Focused Fury over enhanced HIR

[@MuddyButtMan]

@@sn1pertoaster Yea that sucks. I had high hopes for enhanced high impact. I figured enhanced perks would end up being completely broken or completely useless.

[@Atlas_Enderium]

As an avid PvP player, I have used Lubrae’s in trials from time to time, especially on earlier matches of my cards. If the enemy team isn’t running a shotgun (so snipers, fusions, etc.), I will rush them with a glaive if possible. Because of their novelty, people are still confused by its melee lunging range and speed, so they typically don’t know how to counter it. It’s also a great swap for when you run out of special

[@jmpollak]

You mentioned slight of hand with harmony on deliverance, but it’s also a pretty unique roll on the SMG as well. With things like extraordinary rendition competing in the kinetic slot, I’ll take a unique roll on this SMG, because I’ve got a workhorse covered.

[@otiscleetus]

Yep. I crafted overflow /harmony on the smg and pair it with explosive personality (ALH/turnabout)...these together are fantastic. Overshield from turnabout +land tank perk then the added dmg for Harmony + souldrinker on smg...great mini/major clear. Just fun....plus I wanted something different then sub/frenzy or overflow/frenzy...got those covered already

[@jmpollak]

@@otiscleetus silently judging you for picking turnabout, but you do you…

[@otiscleetus]

@@jmpollak yea I mean u could choose many options for this gl...frenzy is just zzzzzz

[@adhirg]

here is the best way to craft Insidious: Arrowhead Brake (100 recoil direction) Flared Magwell (helps with stability and reload, the gun’s weaknesses, tac mag is also an option) Enhanced Dragonfly (+4 to reload) One for All (best damage perk to pair with Dragonfly, since the explosions are pretty much guaranteed to touch at least one or two other enemies and give you the buff) stability masterwork. this gives you a stat lineup of: 78 range and stability 45 handling 60 reload amazing stability and range, 100 recoil, and a lightning fast reload to keep shit running. this roll will serve you in any activities, endgame or not, and will carry you through the worst mondays.

[@Yung6Pack]

I don't know if it's necessarily the play or not, but I have the pulse with Dragonfly/One-for-All and it's a lot of fun. Tagging enemies with a Dragonfly explosion will activate One-for-All, and getting Dragonfly kills also activates Rampage. Just something to keep in mind if you're a Dragonfly enjoyer.

[@nomadasol8247]

The adept version of Lubrae's should allow for a projectile speed mod. I feel like Glaives will eventually get a flat buff in that department b/c it feels mandatory atm

[@trustypatches669]

Agreed. Enigma with Impulse Amplifier is what all glaives should feel like.

[@soulsunder]

I got a forbearance with genesis + chain reaction and it's been awesome. Popping any shield, including lucent moth ones, activate genesis which allows me to shoot off a second shot right off the bat. Super underrated perk combo.

[@allyourweaponsofmass]

The insidious pulse rifle with dragonfly and rampage is great for PvP because the explosions from dragonfly get the damage buff from rampage as well as increase the stack of rampage if the explosion causes a kill. Cracked off lots of double and a few triple kills in PvP like that.

[@Just_Amatuer]

I've crafted Demo + Chill Clip on my Deliverance, and that thing fits damn near perfectly into Warlock and Hunter Stasis builds. Titans, not so much with needing to rely heavily on crystal generating and breaking, so Headstone is still better there for most cases. Some of the most powerful Warlock and Hunter Stasis builds are grenade focused so Demo is the obvious choice, and Chill lets you generate Stasis shards for both classes, letting you combo with Elemental Shards and Elemental Charge, granting access to both Elemental Well and Charged with Light builds... all from one weapon. It's so incredibly good, I'm glad our first Stasis Fusion is an absolute banger.

[@connoringram4948]

Deliverance works perfect with titans. I gotta stronhold behemoth build and deliverance is the perfcet fit. Its a stasis special so it spawns diamond lances and lets me run double special for more lament ammo. I get a nade about every 10 secs and i freeze champs to get in close with lament with lances or chill clip. It also works so good with hoarfrost z the rally barricade boosts range and stability and you can have stasis shards up permantly even during boss phase i use bait n switch with an autoloading reeds and never reload. Same with heart of inmost light those lances count as nades for your empowering and titans dont really have the glacial harvest cooldown like warlocks and hunters. I think it pairs perfectly with titan cus you get your shards from your nade so demo and chillclip gaurentees a diamond lance plus font buffs before you engage any enemy.

[@cloudstrifed1]

When we first got the enigma I was super hyped at the swash/grave combo only to lose all interest when I found out neither perk worked. So annoyed at getting a new weapon type only for them to be an absolute waste of time/effort.

[@Gee-bg2rv]

Grave robber does work though. I imagine the reason for swash not working with the melee hit is because the melee hit doesn’t require any ammo

[@yeetmcyeet3120]

Yeah Glaives have been a pretty embarrassing disaster

[@Dutch_Viking_91]

The melee does work for me? Instant swashbuckler x5. Have you tested it yourself or just hear someone claim it doesn’t work and rolled with it?

[@Icortherainwing]

@@Dutch_Viking_91 It *DOES* work, but it does not apply the Buff to the Melee. It does contribute to the reason why Glaives are falling off rather quickly in popularity. They do have a number of benefits such as having access to a surprisingly effective shield and a Melee combo. The projectile aspect of the Glaive is what is problematic about it is the lack of overall damage. Specifically the projectile aspect of it. It has frequently proven to be an overall worse option in comparison to some other weapons, which is understandable to a degree. The major problem is that you are using a Special Ammo weapon, which is intended to act as a means of taking out Majors much more effectively. But, this is just my opinion. I think the Exotic Glaives are the main example.

[@Dutch_Viking_91]

@@Icortherainwing it really doesn’t unless you’ve got a linear fusion rifle with a shield and secondary melee option, dumbest comparison I’ve heared yet. The perks all work as intended and if you don’t understand why swashbuckler doesn’t improve the damage of the melee combo maybe go play a different game? It would be busted AF if it did. Name 1 other weapon that can benefit from a damage buff without having ammo. Exactly

[@Velociration]

the blast radius on forbearance (and all wave frames) doesnt change with barrel perks (you can literally see that in d2gunsmith) so go for velocity everyone

[@n00ty23]

Demo is a really underrated pairing with chill clip on deliverance since throwing the grenade reloads the weapon. Pair with warlock or hunter stasis and elemental shards and you can almost never reload

[@atsukana1704]

For cataclysmic I am actually running bait and switch and fourth time’s the charm (i got lucky and rolled this on my very first clear). With the right loadout its actually not that hard to do damage woth all of your weapons when the weapon you want to proc it on is your heavy. 20% damage boost rivals that of the damage boost of firing line and has wayyyy better up time than focused fury. The damage potential goes up by a significant ampunt when you consider you have to use half of your shots for focused fury to proc which is just terrible. For example in a champion situation you stun the champ, possibly fire an auto loading gl right after at some ads, and then start firing the cataclysmic. This will help ensure the kill on the champ in the time frame given while also playing into how you would naturally play.

[@brendan_ludlow]

Focused fury gets activated by your first 3 shots, activates for 11 seconds and can be reactivated by shooting more precisions. Uptime is virtually infinite in damage phase other than first 3 shots. Damage total is MUCH higher than reeds and threaded so I agree with you there. It’s crazy busted However for champs and the like I agree with that roll

[@MrTrombonejr]

if you pair with witherhoard for dps, cataclysmic is a beast with bait n switch

[@finleymillen802]

Cornered and surrounded on the deliverance seems like it would be pretty nutty

[@robertsantiago9799]

I have this roll and use it in the raid all the time, 1 shot with both perks up nearly 1taps a glyphkeeper at full hp. Cornered has a massive 16m proc radius and only requires 2 enemies to be present, it shaves off an entire 100ms on your charge time, which is 2.5x the charge time buff you get from a charge time mw. Very strong gun with these perks.

[@aubendog]

Ive found dragonfly+ofa on the pulse is a super fun combo since the dragonfly explosion activates ofa and ofa buffs the dragonfly damage

[@I_will_pet_your_dogs]

Interesting. Do other buffs affect Dragonfly, or is it just weapon buffs?

[@Nailfut]

Insidious with Demolitionist and Vorpal pairs SO well with my stasis Warlock build, it did wonders while guilding conqueror. Plus, Lubrae's Ruin with Grave robber and Vorpal was nuts in the Lightblade GM.

[@dysruptz6522]

Why would you use arrowhead on submission when it already has max recoil direction

[@tjh317]

For the Deliverance I will say this: it's possibly one of if not the best special for a stasis build. I run it with my warlock with the new gloves giving me double cold snap nades plus double turrets. I use demo and chill clip for safety,I'm able to basically have up to three turrets up and even 4 if I'm lucky and never have to rely on a reload

[@Bidniss.]

I think unrelenting chain reaction is wayyyy overlooked on forbearance. I had the luck to get both that roll and the ambitious chain roll, and I mich prefer unrelenting. Paired with souldrinker, you are immortal as long as you keep shooting. I take it into lost sectors, raids, dungeons, and any nightfall below gm.

[@dankerbell]

unrelenting is overkill with souldrinker and doesn't work well in higher end content, same as ambitious though. surplus is the better choice.

[@dankerbell]

unrelenting is overkill with souldrinker and doesn't work well in higher end content, same as ambitious though. surplus is the better choice.

[@dankerbell]

stats for all is also good

[@MK-gj5nv]

I got an Unrelenting + chain reaction roll with a reload mw roll for my first drop, it's carried me through Exhibition ever since lol

[@Bidniss.]

@@MK-gj5nv yep. I run witherhoard with forbearance and an eager edge sword for exhibition

[@EnVokE_ME]

Unrelenting and Chain Reaction is the perk combo I crafted on Forbearance. Unrelenting and it’s origin trait, Souldrinker, means no matter whether you get a multikill or just straight up damage, you regain health. If you want to be MORE healthier, chuck on a couple of solar armor pieces, rock Explosive Wellmaker and Well of Life, and on the void 3.0 subclasses, equip the Echo of Starvation, where orb pickup grants Devour, you won’t even have to worry about your health bar 95% of the time

[@DafyddWillz]

Dragonfly + One For All on Insidious, every day of the week for me. Perfect perk combo for high-end content. Get one precision kill, do some decent AoE damage and immediately proc your 35% damage boost with very little effort and a lot of uptime. No-brainer for PvE.

[@MrNuclearz]

I made a deliverance with chill clips and enhanced compulsive reloader. I got to say it's not as good as I thought it would be, but still a useful tool for crowd control, kind of like a discount agers scepter.

[@manuelito1233]

I got a rampage dragonfly on my insidious and was using it during trials this past Shayura weekend. It did WAYYY more work than I expected it to do in pvp.

[@christhiantrevisan8084]

6:05 It's funny that even after so many years a reload+damage roll is still a very solid perk option

[@greyklopstock7155]

My crafted, trials Memento deliverance is demolitionist chill clip. Some say, "why not compulsive reloader?" To which I say, "what's better than a faster reload? INSTANT RELOAD!" For my osteomancy warlock, I'm chucking out grenades so much that I never have to manually reload my deliverance. Plus, having demo means I get my grenades back faster, which is insane with the osteomancy. Seriously, it's INSANE. It's become my favorite PvE weapon in the game. I know you don't use fusions for ad clear, but honestly, with chill clip, I will die on the hill that a well crafted deliverance is one of the best ad clear weapons in the entire game. Plus, enhanced chill clip boosts stability a bit, which for me is pretty lit. Mine gets to 88 stability, which is hilarious and feels awesome in PvP as well. I've gone flawless twice already this season with it in the driver's seat

[@courygaffney4408]

Box breathing works differently on linears. You don’t have to unscope to proc it, just wait a tiny bit then hold the trigger down and it should proc immediately before the gun fires, no need to unscope

[@BeserkedKaos]

Not crafted, but recently received a Deliverance w/ Perp Motion+Chill Clip roll with Charge Time MW w/ Accel Coils and I have not unequipped it since. Absolutely love it. I’m hoping for more Kinetic Slot Fusions in the future!

[@sprTokki]

For forbearance or any wave-frame I suggest if you want ability up time, wellspring is always a nice option. Allows for ability spam if you want it.

[@alexsmith7313]

Unrelenting + Chain Reaction is very good for people who main Transversive Steps or who are running a Marksman's Dodge-heavy build on Hunter. I would argue Transversive Steps are actually superior to AA because ammo is often wasted while utilizing AA. Rally Barricades/Lunafaction Healing Rifts are also solid choices for this combo.

[@HeroGerik]

I would make an argument for a Genesis/Chain Reaction combo on Forbearance! While it makes it a tad more specialized, having the insta-reloads + ammo regen on shield breaks makes it competitive to Ambitious Assassin in my own personal use!

[@jakestewart9428]

I feel like bait and switch is underrated on the linear for dps scenarios. a lot of times youll be comboing at least 2, maybe all of your weapons together making it easy to activate, and you'll have the buff for essentially the whole mag as opposed to focused fury going away on stow, and only active in the bottom portion of the mag. Bait and switch lends itself much better to dps in my opinion than focused fury does

[@insane5907]

Appreciate the comparisons for specific scenarios where one perk would be better instead of the other

[@FumeiShichi]

range mw, hammer forged, accurized, encore, and swash on submission for use with athrys' embrace mainly in pvp. it can easily activate the exotic's perk and benefit from the subsequent knife kill you're almost guaranteed to get on top of being a good weapon at base

[@sparky00777]

Raid SMG: *has 100 recoil direction by default* Datto: Yeah, I'm gonna run Arrowhead on this one

[@michaelrackermann7247]

I crafted insidious with dragonfly, one for all and maxed out reload speed and it's an absolute beast. Feels amazing for both low end pve and high end pve.

[@flymasterkyle1277]

Grave robber and Swashbuckler works now. That with Ballistic tuning and Extended Mag with a Shield Duration masterwork.

[@lady_legs1968]

Forbearance has turnabout which is worth noting for hard content, especially with arc shields. It's a true overshield as opposed to a void one, and refreshes everything you break a shield, which has great synergy with genesis in the first column. Might be better than a chain reaction one in high end content (though speaking from lots of experience with this GL, chain reaction is SO much fun)

[@Apty19]

Been following you since D1 original campaign in 2014, keep up the great content!

[@BarbWaltersMusic]

Weird he doesnt mention bait and switch which became the meta for the Cata

[@1NeonLight]

Bait and Switch and Sleight of Hand on Lubraes. I usually have plenty of kills on primary and heavy by the time I even *remember* I am using a glaive.

[@bob-859]

The best part about Forbearance is that it doesn’t even need unrelenting. Because it heals you on hits regardless thanks to the origin trait

[@rhymetime98]

Only thing I like the glaive for is the shield and occasionally melting a single target with a blast and melee follow up. I run Enhanced Frenzy and Impulse Amplifier for quick reload and quicker shots. It’s nice having some defensive capabilities as a Hunter as running away isn’t always the easiest option.

[@ryanhilliard1981]

Cleared a team in Trials with heating up + warm up. It’s worth it, you get one pick and it’s basically a long ranged Plan C

[@reef1017831]

I have a Deliverance with the demolitionist, harmony and a charge time masterwork and I couldn't be happier 🙌🏾

[@dewrod96servantofakenohime58]

Insidious: Demo/AJ Cataclysmic: FTTC/FF Forbearance: AA/Chain Reaction (for fun) Lubrae’s Ruin: IDK what to put on Glaives tbh Deliverance: Comp Reloader/Chill Clip Which leads me to my hot take: Perpetual Motion is a VERY slept on perk for SMGs in PVE. Yes, we all know not having to reload with Subsistence is great, but I’m more of a compulsive reloader. Stacking it with Frenzy + SMG loader mod, and you have a lightning fast reload. Perp Motion/Frenzy on Submission for me.

[@ArchetGames]

Fourth Time’s + Focused is literally nutty on Cataclysmic, it’s so good. Run the right mag stuff and you’re looking at like 13 or 14 shots, with like 10 under FF.

[@ThatGuyWhoBeHim]

Knowledge sharing: The only two crafted weapons that can get enhanced surrounded are deliverance and lubrae's. This only matters because enhanced + surrounded spec sees a 47% damage increase before other buffs. Naturally synergizes with the "meta..." font of might, dilation, AL/explosive light palmyra. Personal testing on caretaker saw numbers up to 24,000 per each of the 7 bolts in a fusion rifle shot - with all proper team [b]uffs Obv go nuts with high energy, battle harmony, solar titan stuff for lubrae's, etc. The combos are out there, I'm just one guy

[@TrystanM]

Doing my Deepsight for Cataclysmic I had a roll with successful warm-up and I was surprised by its performance. I could see it doing some work on the grasp dungeon, or similar fights, where you have time to get heavy between fights and there is no shortage of adds to kill to proc the perk, but it does take something to get going.

[@underscore_5450]

I prefer Successful Warmup on Cataclysmic over Fourth Times. I do have to have a loader or two on my arms, but being able to pop an add and then mag dump makes for some insane burst damage. I especially love it in nightfalls for burning down Champs or bursting a bosses health bar down to the next phase. On raid bosses, it really depends on the encounter, though most of the time you're in a Luna well anyways, so Fourth Times doesn't feel too neccessary because you'll have instant reloads.

[@420camk]

Insidious Dragonfly / Rampage is amazing with Dragonfly spec. Dragonfly with One for all is good as well, but having the rampage boosted damage off the initial kill, leading into the dragonfly explosion is very satisfying. Trust me on that roll!

[@adhirg]

I have a lot of time with both rolls, One for All is for sure the best pairing with Dragonfly since you get the damage boost as long as the explosion touches 2 other enemies. the explosions don’t kill enemies outside of entry content, so Rampage is not helping as much.

[@aaronmedved8588]

Chill clip on the fusion is real good in Gambit. Good way to kill blockers and control ads.

[@spiderguy9511]

Insidious with Vorpal weapon absolutely WRECKS supers in PvP. 20-23 per crit (depending on the super), 14-17 per body allows it to mess up opposing supers. Rapid hit is also the GOAT for pulses in PvP, lets you stay sticky outside its normal range.

[@CapsFan]

Demo Chill Clip on Deliverance is beyond great for PVE Stasis builds.

[@Lemon-x-]

Heating up + Successful warmup on the deliverence is the fusion I'm making for 6v6 crucible. The first kill will be a bit harder to get than with perpetual+tap the trigger but the payoff after that first kill is rediculous. The smg is a bit lacking in terms of PvP, it's okay but multimach with a high zoom scope is just better by a pretty significant margin. Once the zoom adjustments come in then I could see it becoming a decent option, I would go for perpetual motion + killing wind or sleight of hand + harmony if you're able to make the harmony playstyle work for you (personally really like this option for trials since you can get a kill with snipe then push in with a bunch of weapon buffs active on your smg to clean up the other kills)

[@ryanpepper4376]

Lubrae’s ruin: grave robber/enhanced wellspring Mow through trash because glaives have trouble with burst, use abilities to shore up your aoe and survivability.

[@xxkhaoticshotsxx6401]

Once reset hits I'm running the raid and gettin my final cataclysm then finally craft excited and anxious

[@Frodo_Synthesis]

You don’t want clown and fourth times together on the linear. Fourth times doesn’t work above the base mag, so the extra bullets from clown don’t synergize at all.

[@Frankezz17]

Appreciate the video Datto, your insight is most welcomed. Are you planning on making a video on the Throne World Shapeable weapons as well? Keep up the amazing videos!

[@Stooboot]

I think golden tricorn might be a sleeper perk on the GL for when arc 3.0 comes

[@krisdzeel6408]

For pvp, the deliverance with demo and chill clip on the renewal grasp hunter is busted. All you have to do is pick up a special and you get bullets that slow people andgive you stasis shardswhichgivesyou an overshield with the right fragment.

[@s-fang5520]

For my Lubrae's Ruin, I'm putting on ENhanced Grave Robber with Unrelenting. I'm just gonna use it to stay alive, and when I need some health, I can just pull out my glaive, and reload.

[@allmyfrens8418]

I will say turnabout on the gl is pretty nice for high end content. Free overshield on shield break is nuts

[@never3nder]

*The first good Solar LFR ever" Sleeper looks on menacingly

[@Xx-Lawn_Mower-xX]

Bait and Switch is good on Cataclysmic for solo and most 3 man content, especially with witherhoard.

[@pv1794]

Insidious with dragon fly and one for all RIPS in the gm- def recommend b/c crowd control is good and don’t get kills fast enough for rampage or adrenaline junkie to effect things substantially- one for all doesn’t need kills

[@dragonforce991]

My roll RNG for this raid so far has been insane. 5/5 insidious, 5/5 deliverance, 4/5 Cataclysmic. 7 clears, still no Lubrae or Submission at all. The weapons just feel so good, and I don’t think I’ll be taking these off unless I can craft the “Adept” versions.

[@LakerTriangle]

Insidious - Dragonfly and 1-4-all...DF procs 1-4-A which increases damage to help more DF. Really good!

[@Dumbsy]

Lubrae's Ruin procs Roaring Flames on middle tree solar Titans. I don't have the pattern for it yet but if you do and you main middle tree solar, get ammo and reload speed for the thing. It's not a weapon, it's your guarantee for high damage abilities, and when Solar 3.0 comes out and you can use Roaring Flames with other melee abilities, you're going to wish you had grinded that pattern.

[@roryheslop2547]

Swashbuckler 100% works on lubraes ruin with the melee attack! Melee kills also reload it from grave robber. The soul drinker however is temperamental with the healing. If soul drinker worked 100% of the time from graverobber this would be the best legendary glaive.

[@Indigo1559]

My first drop of forbearance was stats for all/ one for all, and it absolutely slaps

[@bencarlson4300]

I like that this raid comes with 5 great to god tier weapons and then… a pretty bad glaive.

[@fyrusgrey5153]

When it comes to LFR’s I really cannot overstate how good Box Breathing is. It’s not the best for DPS in raids or anything, but nothing beats it for burst damage or sustained damage on LFR’s. It’s a free 30% damage buff for absolutely no hoops needed to jump through, and with LFR’s specifically you can precharge your shot before the perk is active and still get the extra damage. Shooting it like this is not a big change in RPM honestly (maybe like 20% slower), and you can still get FttC to activate easily. It does nearly as much damage per shot as sleeper when you do this, still less but the increase in magazine/overall reserves makes up for it IMO. My BB/Field Prep roll on Tarantula has carried me through many a GM, but now that I have this one crafted I don’t see many reasons to go back

[@maniceliksni2705]

adding this here: my choice is that perpetual is better than compulsive reloader on the fusion. compulsive can only proc on two shots, while you need two shots of chill clip to freeze. (havent tested on enhanced version though)

[@VRGUILE]

I crafted an AA + Chain Reaction Forbearance. It's busted, it really busted, I love it

[@otterhound6432]

I made Cataclysmic with 4th Time's the Charm, Clown Cartridge, Enhanced Battery, Charge Time & Backup Mag specifically as Rhulk (and any other raid boss) slayer. You do so much more damage than any of the damage perks, especially when shooting at Divinity bubble. It's VERY comparable to the Izanagi/Palmyra combo and you get to use any exotic. Note: Enhanced Clown Cartridge isn't that much different RNG-wise than the regular version; I still get 8 rounds quite a bit.

[@OmegaRuleZ]

I got my beauty of a Insidious with Range Masterwork, Arrowhead break, Accurized Rounds, Rapid Hit and Rampage 👌

[@pykeplayer4007]

Rolled the GL with Ambitious and Chain and it’s so fun, I love using it in the Legend Psiops