Destiny 2 Lore - Amanda knows about Crow's Past! The Nightmare of Uldren is mocking them both!

Destiny 2's Lore & Story from the season of the Haunted is kicking off with the fraying friendship between Amanda and Crow. The Nightmare of Uldren Sov is both literally and metaphorically hanging over Crow. The question of whether Amanda will forgive him is still in doubt.
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[@Forcer69]

This year of Destiny seems like it’s the year of “Let’s make Crow as miserable as possible.”

[@s5umm3rr]

Happily, I hate the kid 🙃

[@aidanfedorochko3728]

It’s almost like they want Crow to go rogue.

[@dj_mcfuggernugs507]

I just hope he doesn't go back to being Uldren again

[@dbcooper9800]

Good.. he killed the C man 😭

[@Lazy-Lizard]

@@dbcooper9800 he literally didn't exist until he was resurrected by Glint. ULDREN killed Cayde, and poor Crow is made to suffer Uldren's consequences

[@jaysonharvey3476]

This nightmare situation might actually help mend things with Crow and Amanda. Seeing nightmare Uldren could give her a physical representation of how different Crow and Uldren are from each other. She may end up being the one giving him the push he needs to finally face nightmare Uldren.

[@ericbright1742]

That would be an incredibly powerful moment, Amanda getting on the comms while we're in the Sever mission, and Crow is struggling to deal with the Nightmare.

[@DrunkenIrishman890]

Okay, it's official, I'm shipping Crow and Amanda.

[@sanderdemooij303]

@@DrunkenIrishman890 absolutely

[@salamanda550]

@@DrunkenIrishman890 you mean you weren't already? For shame. I've been shipping Crow with everyone. XD

[@oisinmcphillips2090]

There's a post Nightmare Containment dialogue where Nightmare Uldren is mocking Amanda about the whole situation, so I assume they are gonna build up to this.

[@variosnailo8265]

Listening to that conversation was literally so sad. I feel so bad for Crow.

[@csvega]

Crow's lore tabs are SAD. How he's been treated, horribly killed, and beat up by Guardians that just recognized him

[@crisf7125]

It broke my heart...

[@darthball2723]

2:23 he said it he said the thing

[@killclip6449]

I can’t stand crows character, his entire personality is being a whiny bitch, it’s sucks that he will probably become the hunter vanguard

[@tommydixon4871]

The conversation was so sad and heated very fast I hope crow overcome this hard journey 💗

[@-Telesto-]

“I had a friend and you murdered him.” that line hurt me deep :(

[@MRJBS117]

Cause he killed cayde?

[@shaneh1872]

Didn't know telesto had feelings

[@stealthywolvesclanleader2750]

@@shaneh1872 A dead worthless machine didn't

[@huhreally5771]

@@shaneh1872 of course telesto has feelings. it's sentient enough to crash your game if it doesn't like you

[@-Gilver]

@@MRJBS117 yes

[@aidanfedorochko3728]

Honestly, Crow wanting to purge the entirely of Uldren is self destructive and unhealthy. Quite frankly he needs to accept Uldren was not all bad, but was corrupted by his recklessness. Not all of Uldren was bad.

[@thesilliestgoose5990]

This is a surprisingly mature response

[@ericbright1742]

And incredibly hard to do.

[@aidanfedorochko3728]

@@thesilliestgoose5990 simply writing Crow and Uldren off as two different people isn’t realistic. Just because someone’s personality changes does not mean they aren’t the same person deep down. It’s like saying Anakin and Vader are two different people, when they are just one person who has underwent a radical change. By the logic of saying Crow and Uldren are two different people, then Uldren pre-Taken King and Uldren post Taken King are two different people. Plus the nightmares of Uldren are not Uldren himself, they are a manifestations based on a person’s perception of or something. Nightmare Uldren being who he is is based on Crow’s perception of him and even Eirs admits they have a lot more in common and acceptance is a better route. Uldren for all of the bad things about him had a good traits which Crow definitely inherited. Remember the Fanatic was made out of compassion Uldren had. Other examples include recent dialogue about Crow’s little lies. You cannot separate yourself from your past, but you can accept it and move on to be a better man.

[@zenora84]

Agreed. Uldren was not a bad man, he just went down a dark path and was mentally abused to the point where he could be used as a tool by Riven. He was not the issue. If anything, Mara was. Or the Black Garden, idk what it was.

[@fifteen8850]

I’d say Crow is the way Uldren was like if he was around people he actually liked and cared about

[@aaronjackson7037]

Crow specifically mentioning how he would get killed by other guardians is… really dark

[@Mediados]

I mean to be fair, if I met Uldren Sov in the wilds I'd have attacked him too at first glance. It's hard.

[@sergiotapia1756]

@@Mediados At first, yeah probably but iirc there was this guardian that repeatedly killed crow so he knew this was a risen and still take the choice of tormenting a new risen till his grief was satisfied.

[@derpdadouch3654]

@@sergiotapia1756 What's his name? I want to buy him a drink and a bowl of noodles.

[@thetitaniccomic]

@@derpdadouch3654 Senna-7. But if I remember I think he was executed by city officials/The Vanguard after they found out he did that and other crap like steal from the poor, cheat in crucible matches etc etc

[@stealthywolvesclanleader2750]

@@Mediados Not hard quit bitching

[@allmyself666]

Guardian: *Listens to Amanda's message* Amanda: "...why do I hear boss music?"

[@stephennelson4954]

“I just want to talk to her”

[@yoh999123]

i was furious with her.

[@Marin117.]

Seriously this. I want to smack Amanda so hard after that audio. I get it, she's angry and all. But doesn't justify her coming at Crow when he's already on the ground just to kick him more. Imagine looking at someone who's getting treated badly by almost every single person because his past self did something terrible, and then you come in and just say that shit to his face (that last line about she having a friend and Crow killing him) Please Crow you deserve better people. I hope they let this friendship die.

[@Wulfspyder]

Guardian: "Pull up a chair, this is discussion will take a while."

[@BrotherBarakiel996]

Yea I went to the tower to see if she had any dialog right afterwards. I understand her pain, and that pain is a deep wound. But crow didn't ask for any of this, he didn't ask to be reborn.

[@jj_grabes]

This man can’t catch a break. Shaxx and Saladin were warlords before they were Guardians, but that’s never used to shame them because they’ve long since proven their worth. But not Crow, even after saving Zavala’s life.

[@oisinmcphillips2090]

Shaxx and Saladin have accepted who they were, have realised they are no longer that person, and moved on. Crow seems unable to do that currently, he can't seperate himself from Uldren.

[@jj_grabes]

@@oisinmcphillips2090 It’s kind of hard to do that when you’re being forced to hide your face from the people you protect. Or even get treated like this by your friends and people you trust.

[@edwardcalvo4047]

@@oisinmcphillips2090 Remember they did that in this life, Crow's sins were committed in his last life. He's the only guardian I can remember being held accountable for his last lives actions.

[@Mediados]

@@edwardcalvo4047 He just got very VERY unlucky. In 20 years it would have been easier, but Cayde's death is still a relatively fresh wound. I can't even imagine how hard it has to be for Zavala to stare into the face of the man who killed his best friend every day. Ikora seems to be a lot more resilient to that.

[@edwardcalvo4047]

@@Mediados part of the point is the actions they took as warlords were their actions, the actions Uldren took were not Crows.

[@Ryprovis]

I’m so scared for Crow. I don’t want him to become ‘bad’ again. Not by choice but because he’s being pushed into a corner. Simply because, that’s how most will view him. And that is so sad. Oh Crow. I’m so sorry.

[@darthmando104th4]

i don't think he's going to become "bad" again . i think he might become more cold and cynical but not evil. let's say he could become more similar to Mara under some aspects.

[@RageMagikarp]

I think specifically Eris is going to help him stay good. She's the only person who isn't judging him, even a little. She just wants to help, and if anyone understands being haunted by their past it's her.

[@Ryprovis]

@@RageMagikarp I totally agree. Hearing how she has been talking so kindly and offering to help and even defending Crow, when it comes to dealing with his NightMare has been really endearing and so sweet to see/hear.

[@franciscoandres4907]

@@RageMagikarp 100% this. Eris Morn spent CENTURIES being tormented by shadows of past regrets and failures, both metaphorically AND literally. If there's anyone who can help Crow with this, it's her. Same thing goes for Zavala and Caiatl, whom also have some demons of their own that they'll need to deal with. There's a reason people are calling this the "Season of Therapy".

[@TheShuuman]

@@Ryprovis Let's not forget that Eris wasn't exactly super welcomed into the tower after she arrived at the tower waaaaay back in The Dark Below. People were fearful she had been too corrupted by the darkness so she knows exactly what Crow is going through. Honestly listening to that Holiday transmission after I finished the first sever mission was like "Yup that's enough video games for today, I need some happy time stuff"

[@edwardcalvo4047]

Uldren feels like an incomplete existence who always desired recognition and needed others the validate himself. Crow feels like a complete existence that acts for his own beliefs and reasons. That to me is the big difference between the two.

[@Mediados]

Crow isn't really complete, he has to stop comparing himself to Uldren. As long as he fears becoming like him, Uldren Sov will haunt him forever.

[@edwardcalvo4047]

@@Mediados that's not what I meant by complete, Uldren by his very nature needed others to validate him and be the cause for his actions. Crow can take actions for himself and for his own reasons no matter what anyone else thinks or feels. In a way Uldren always needed a master and Crow doesn't.

[@anotherkenlon]

Mara very deliberately stunted Uldren and made him into an extension of her, more than his own person. Crow, for better or for worse, is his own man.

[@theanimalman44]

The VA’s very much succeeded in making that interaction feel heavy and kinda weirdly domestic

[@jamesrichardson9355]

Honestly Crow isn't having a good time, he's been hit from every angle with uldren and Amanda, not to mention the guilt of the scorm and even Cital still jabbing him about the psion. I hope these 2 make up man. Oh and BTW, you guys heard the line from uldren suggesting that the reason Crow was resurrected was that he killed cayde?

[@thatdarnskag5043]

Pretty sure that’s the Nightmare messing with Crow. I think there’s a lore tab from Crow’s Ghost’s perspective pretty much stating the opposite. I can see this going 2 ways story-wise. Either Crow snaps under the undue judgement and pressure and he takes a dark turn, or he and people around him accept the fact that he’s not Uldren, but his own person, and he takes a more positive path. Must protecc this boi.

[@thomaspurol9322]

That was Caital and she said it because of her bias towards martial prowess

[@jamesrichardson9355]

@ThatDarnSkag Yeah I know, just thought that it was an interesting idea

[@Mediados]

Caiatl is still pretty pissed about that incident, she positioned her honorguard directly in front of him

[@derpdadouch3654]

Me and that psion were bros damnit. I'm still irritated about it. I loved him and that room. I feel bad for crow, but I'm still not for him.

[@darkjesterxiii]

My guardian shot Uldren in the head. That's done and buried. Everything I judge Crow on has always been his actions since joining the Vanguard. As far as I'm concerned, he's still too soft and too eager to prove himself. The situation he finds himself in can only be resolved by settling his past. He can never be Uldren Sov again. That ship has sunk. It'd be like wearing a dead man's skin. He'd be way too self-aware of his actions. Everything he'd do would be with the sub-context that Uldren would've done it this way or that way. Being Crow isn't about accepting Uldren Sov. It's about accepting that he cannot be him anymore. That no matter what he knows or "remembers", it's simply not possible to go back to being someone he's not. He's already separated his sense of self from Uldren to the point where Uldren is merely the memory of someone he used to know.

[@pillcosby9854]

That " I had a friend, and u murdered him" line was so cold even I felt the sting.

[@synestia4005]

But it's understandable. Keep in mind that crow left Amanda in the dark that his alter ego killed her best friend Cayde. Of course she is heartbroken and pissed, and if you have are team crow of course it feels cold to you. But it's an understandable reaction by Amanda.

[@Merlin_Da_Druid]

Did anyone else notice from the Sever mission, that Crow uses solar light? Not void or arc, but summoned a golden gun... Just like Cayde did 😢

[@anthonygamer101]

😭 I'm crying

[@randomakicita6903]

He uses golden gun and blade barrage in the lore

[@Merlin_Da_Druid]

@@randomakicita6903 Crow uses blade barrage too?? Where in the lore is that?

[@randomakicita6903]

@@Merlin_Da_Druid The wild hunt mark says that he uses a solar blade which makes me thing of blade barrage, but the wording is weird, so im not sure

[@Merlin_Da_Druid]

@@randomakicita6903 Maybe, but gunslingers also get throwing knives, so I guess it COULD be either

[@cashusbucks]

Anyone notice the effects of the Leviathan on your Guardian yet??? While you move around the various areas you may see messages pop up on the left side of the screen that are...unsettling. One says "you notice a red Laser scan over your Ghost"

[@stephennelson4954]

Those are indications of random events. In the pools this means that there will be a secret room…somewhere around there filled with powerful nightmares. Kill them and a chest will spawn and those chests usually have a high chance to drop keys.

[@MARC-555]

I saw that and looked for whatever was targeting me but there was nothing there.

[@cashusbucks]

@@MARC-555 same! I think it's just supposed to be our minds playing tricks on us...Stay Vigilant!!

[@cashusbucks]

@@stephennelson4954 gonna have to try that out

[@Naofumi-Iwatani]

@@MARC-555 in one of the halls, there is a drop down area, the sniper resides in the hole, alongside a calus bobble.

[@rustycrowbar4250]

If anything, this just shows how truly dangerous a foe Savathun was and continues to be. We may have (temporarily) killed her, but she has ravaged the minds and emotions of people in the City and the Reef to the point that we have interactions like this. Oryx simply came in guns blazing when he assaulted the system, and all we had to do was cut through his armies and back him into a corner. The same can be said for Xivu Arath and even her invasion was enabled only by Savathun corrupting Umun. Unlike her siblings and frankly anyone besides the Witness, Savathun sought to exploit our relationships instead to achieve victory. She used Uldren's love for Mara to kill Cayde, unleash the Scorn, and curse the Dreaming City. Her time as Osiris allowed her to reel us all in close under the guise of a trusted friend to let our guard down, before revealing herself and sending us on an emotional spiral. This interaction shows just that, since it was Savathun who gave Crow his memories, leading to his actions in Season of the Risen and now this rift between him and Amanda, where they were once good friends. Emotional wounds cut deeper than any physical wound (esp. for Guardians), and the Witch Queen knew just that.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

I'm not quite sure she outright intended for Cayde-6 to be killed, it was definitely a massive win on her side of the court regardless.

[@joulevette22]

To me it felt and sound more like it was a friendship going towards romance and now she starting to question her and crow relationship after finding out who he is and it was devastating 😢

[@samcrompton7270]

Agreed, I've been reading a fanfic called series called paracausul refit and I the radio message between them hurt even more

[@gryffindorftw6198]

Yeah I never understood people who act like they were already dating. They weren’t, they were just friends who might’ve had feelings for each other at best.

[@chachan6044]

@@gryffindorftw6198 Shippers are gonna exist in every corner of media ever lol. Tho, at least there was a growing foundation for it to make sense at least.

[@gryffindorftw6198]

@@chachan6044 I don’t have a problem with shipping or shippers in general. In fact I can see the appeal to Crow and Amanda even if I’m not much of a shipper myself. I just don’t understand why people think they were dating when they were clearly just friends who were likely crushing on each other.

[@chachan6044]

@@gryffindorftw6198 Oh, i definitely agree with you. Im just saying that people on the internet will ship two people who never even interact with each other, so people overlooking what the actual narrative communicates is not surprising lol.

[@tomato3972]

The radio message was heart wrenching, especially for myself. When I was a child, I experienced the confusion of physical and emotional abuse from my parents without explanation. It made me unnecessarily cautious of others as I continued to grow, causing me to build up unimaginably high walls to my heart. I related with Crow, as he also experienced abuse with no explanation. Obviously, I did not experience the level of pain he felt from others, but regardless, abuse is *still* abuse. Yes, Crow should have opened up more to Amanda, but in Crow's defense, how could he have known better? He lied, and he needs to own up to those lies, as well as confront Uldren wholeheartedly to regain trust, not only in himself, but in others. Amanda does not, and may never understand how Crow feels, but Amanda may be the only one that Crow can fully put his trust in, and I hope she realizes it. I am *LOVING* this season so far, and it's only been a few days!!! I can't wait for next weeks interactions between the characters.

[@sinister2376]

As a vet I feel crows pain. Wanting to rip all the things you've done out is so strong. What Eris said is powerful and true. Listen to your nightmares, accept it and move on. Even down to Crow and Amanda's interactions resonates so much. I've known so many people that have gone through that, but unfortunately that didn't have a ghost to bring them back.

[@spaceracer23]

There's one nightmare that I'm surprised we haven't faced yet. Eris is haunted by her fire team. Zavala is haunted by his wife. Who is the one person who is connected to Amanda, Crow, Zavala, and us (both as guardian and player)? At some point, we have to face Cayde.

[@OldMaxwell]

Eris is only mentor since she's the only one so far who dealt with nightmares, we helped her sever nightmares in Shadowkeep after main campaign. There is also Ciatl being haunted by her brother Ghaul.

[@travismurtland3257]

Zavala is haunted by his wife because he had all the power of the Guardians at his command, and NOTHING could stop what happened. Crow is quite literally haunted by the man he used to be. Eris has survivor's guilt. Unless they're gonna give our guardian the same issue, I see no way to bring in Cayde

[@perialis]

Ikora has already been facing Cayde’s nightmare. We just haven’t seen him yet on account of that interaction currently being banished to a lore tab on a weapon.

[@shaneh1872]

@@OldMaxwell Ghaul and Caiatal are not related. Only real link is that Caiatal was pissed at Calus for being Calus and helped Ghaul as a conspirator of the midnight coup

[@yoshimitsenbergp1134]

Take a good gander at the Trespasser Exotic lore, my friend :) But I do hope we get to see him ingame as well

[@HollowedPrince]

Alright everyone, say it with me. EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!

[@samhank]

I cried

[@MarcusVipsaniusAgrippaLXIII]

Very effective

[@shaneh1872]

Very effective

[@jackeag4295]

There's a lore that I saw a few months ago, like witch queen time where Amanda decided it was crows birthday and went to give him a present and he didn't have his mask on so she found

[@travismurtland3257]

That would be right around the time of The Risen.

[@beninmalgaard9836]

I need more of Crow and Amanda this season. Bungie, please!!! And please let their friendship come to fruition. Don't let it die. 🙏🙏🙏

[@mihalyjanosfeher3348]

This is a lot more than a friendship i feel

[@beninmalgaard9836]

@@mihalyjanosfeher3348 I'm hoping for that too. Lol

[@zenora84]

It probably will die sadly. But, like the phoenix, it will rekindle after both have some time to think.

[@keeganbenfield9520]

Best ship in destiny

[@beninmalgaard9836]

@@keeganbenfield9520 I agree.

[@Lake1999]

It kinda sounds like Amanda was falling for crow more like she fancied him than just thinking of him as a friend.

[@shadowfang269]

The transmission between Crow and Amanda hit real hard. Almost as hard as Mara’s talk with Ikora in season of the lost. It definitely hit hard given that I make lore for my guardians (I have one of each class) and my warlock has a very close relationship with Mara and Crow so the past few seasons have been hitting hard.

[@summerrose7650]

Man, poor Crow. Poor Amanda. This irony is a knife twisted in the back by fate.

[@salamanda550]

I just wish we had the option to step in and tell everyone to back the hell off. Crow deserves all the hugs, and people are being such assholes towards him that he feels he has to prove himself, constantly...and keeps messing up cause he's under so much pressure. #HugTheCrow

[@derpdadouch3654]

He's under so much pressure that he wants to just hug a hive and let it drain his light, because hive are friends.

[@rosie516]

@@derpdadouch3654 dude what is your problem? you keep responding to random people expressing your hatred for crow is this like a sadistic roleplay thing or are you trying to bait people into giving you attention?

[@derpdadouch3654]

@@rosie516 Kind of a sadistic roleplay honestly and I sincerely apologize for not making that explicit. I do apologize if anything has been taken seriously. Again I apologize for not making my intention clear. Have a good day. Stay safe. Stay hydrated.

[@rosie516]

@@derpdadouch3654 oh well carry on and have a wonderful day yourself and drink water hydration is super important and unlike destiny in real life you wont respawn if you die :p

[@synestia4005]

Crow needs therapy not a hug. Amanda needs a hug. Saladin needs a big sorry by Crow. Cayde needs to be kept in memory. And RIP Caiatl's psion, crow accidently killed because of his egoistic idealism.

[@Silencers]

This story thread stings really hard. I adore Amanda, and seeing her in this much pain honestly hurts.

[@synestia4005]

The fact that you empathise with Amanda and only get 17 upvotes and Team Crow is lifted to the skies in terms of upvotes is actually quite sad. Amanda is also human and somehow everyone tries to put themselves in Crow's shoes but no one tries to put themselves in Amanda's, Saladin's or anyone else's shoes. It almost seems like the person who makes their suffering known the loudest gets the most attention and the quiet people like Amanda are completely ignored! The moment when everyone comforts Crow and Amanda who is still grieving for Cayde is just completely ignored. I don't understand why people are so extremely fond of Crow.

[@c4sualcycl0ps48]

The lore entry with Crow and Eris was a nice counterbalance to Crow and Amanda’s conversation. Hearing Eris let go and show a glimpse of her old hunter self was really cool.

[@duskbringer4583]

I do feel it for Amanda, I miss Cayde too, but... Well, let's just say the time could been better, with Crow dealing with... LOT already. No wonder he overworks now, trying to forget all this. ...And Uldren's Nightmare is not making it easy...

[@Shindy117]

Can I just say Amanda's VA acting in that scene was amazing! She's been in the business since I was 15. I forget where I heard her. Halo? I'm 30 now. The shear emotion she showed here was top tier acting. 👏

[@sergiotapia1756]

Being a guardian means your past doesnt matter for all intense and purpose we are a blank state, for all we know our character could be a mass murderer before our demise but we got a second chance. Now Crow has the burden of having the body of one of the most known person in the system but also the one that killed one of the leaders of the last city, now imagine get revived, not having the guidence we had, and been killed on site but some random guardians. Uldren paid for his crime with his life by our hands, Crow didn't deserved any of what is happening to him (This reminds me of an episode of Black Mirror called White Bear), when Zavala and Ikora found out they were rightfully shocked but as guardians they understood that your past life doesnt matter. That being said, this is the first time that a guardian experience all of his past life in one fraction of a moment thanks to Savathun, not counting Ana because she knows who she was thanks to the nametag and what she can gather in clovis facilities and her sister. This story tread opened up the posibilites for having this kind of disccusion and study the morality of what the traveler intended when he command the ghost to revive someone without their memories and why the powers of the darkness uses memories(deepsight and nightmares) as a tool as well, can we regain our memories of our previous life?, all interesting questions.

[@synestia4005]

So I murdered Elsie Bray, then I am reborn as a guardian, then I learn that I killed Elsie Bray (but I was manipulated, but still), and I am aware of this, but I still try to get Ana bray in the bed. That's what crow is doing with Amanda and it's okay because crow is clinical depressive?

[@xydryx937]

You should make a video about the Nezarec's whisper and its relationship top Nezarec's sin. Just thought that would be cool

[@DarkMaidenFlan]

This.

[@slimzztv9963]

I didn’t know how much I needed to hear Byf say “emotional damage” lol

[@s_t_r_a_y_e_d]

Bungie slowly earning that M-rating Destiny should've had with emotional trauma and abuse

[@J-manli]

*Slams Table* EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!

[@shaneh1872]

@@J-manli very effective

[@williamking1081]

So much pain going around this season, and savathun! That crafty little creature!

[@justadude.9969]

As somebody who lost a brother to a violent crime. I can say I have looked his killer in the eye and the pit of absolute hatred that opens up is truly horrifying. In the end you accept what happened but its very hard to forgive. It's almost impossible. But in the end you need to accept that your loved one is gone. They won't come back. And holding on to that hatred will only drag you deeper into that pit. Your lost love wouldn't want that. I would give Amanda a hug and be a shoulder to cry on. For all those who share this pain. It gets better. The pain never fully goes away but it server's as a reminder to live your life to the fullest because you never know when part of it can be taken away. Stay safe guardians.

[@caleblyman3763]

You are the one who got me addicted to the lore, love you byf

[@drakozash8153]

We all knew it was coming but it still hurts

[@winstonveluz3970]

i never thought id here the man go "EMOTIONAL DAMAGE"

[@Antare5]

Nightmare Uldren reaching out to Amanda I did not expect that to be so chilling

[@AikaKitsune]

I was on the verge of near tears after hearing it..

[@jehbon]

man i just love this channel! Ever since i binged through all of the old cayde videos back in the day at work. Just please keep up the amazing work my dude

[@IASEAGLE5]

So here's the deal... "Bad Uldren" the source of the nightmare is an aspect of Crow's prior life that was created during his corruption in the black garden through Riven (and Savathun's) shenanigans. Uldren before that (and Uldwyn before that still) was actually a decent guy who was good with kids and cared deeply (a bit too much) about his family (mom and sister). He was well liked and he was not who shot Cayde. Savathun probably only gave him memories of that version of Uldren because she's involved in its creation. There needs to be someone to remind him that he was a decent human/awoken before his corruption and that he needs to reach to that and not what he's struggling with. Unfortunately Mara (and other awoken) are the only ones who can help him with that... problem is Mara thought THAT Uldren was nothing but a loser and a second stringer to herself and others... I feel bad for the guy.

[@LuisHGarcia]

Those radio conversations in the HELM after weekly story missions are strong exclamation points or cliffhangers for followup and payoffs. Especially this one. At least the Temperance lore card that is unlocked from the triumph associated with this gives solace and hope for Crow. Definitely read after this.

[@Strawberry-zi5hx]

Ayo that "Emotional damege" from Byf felt like a jumpscare deadass

[@Zackrael]

That radio conversation doesn't exactly sound like "friends" quarrel. At least to me.

[@rezidux]

I remember hearing this day 1 and was like, Byfs gonna make a video for sure.

[@chaosgreyblood]

Out of everyone who had been closed to Cayde-6 and were affected by his loss, Amanda was hit the hardest with the reveleation about Crow. It cut too deep right now, and although she has reason to be angry, I think she'll have to come around the fact that Crow is a different person now. Crow himself has got to accept both the good and the bad about himself and his past. A tough step to follow through, given his Nightmare's needling remarks, but if he's able to do so, maybe that'll help him come clean with Amanda once she's ready to hear him out for real.

[@HumanoidG0rilla]

"EMOTIONAL DAMAGE, this is what I feel.... Anyway"

[@katlynsteadham5820]

O my goodness thank you for putting close captioning on your video so I can watch it 😄

[@hobobrojo]

"I am Thou, Thou art I." -Uldren Sov, probably

[@CelticShaman.]

So Bungie hasn't forgot about Sparrow Racing League....

[@fatesrequiem]

I just pictured Crow collapsed on his knees choking sobs of anguish. I’m mad at Amanda. I get it, but I’m mad.

[@limitedgunny7414]

I think when zavala has his nightmare severed from himself, he will be able to help holiday and crow repair their situation.

[@zombieslaya3456]

That comms recording physically hurt me to listen to.

[@puddingstabber5063]

Crow being gaslit by his past life.

[@Slowmotionman2]

I forget what weapon it is, but there's a lore piece where Amanda tries to comfort Zavala after our first attempt to sever his nightmare and reveals that she feels bad about how she's acted towards crow. So I hope they patch things up in the future.

[@destin673]

I really do hope they don't go the "If they treat me like a monster I will become one" deal. I really and I mean REALLY like Crow as a character and boy he just can't get an emotional break from anyone. The man was forced to see his past doing and no guardian has ever had that experience. Knowing that he killed a friend that was known throughout the tower, hell yeah he has to hide. He keeps getting killed by guardians (Titan killed him with hammers), awkward stares...shit it's hard as hell for him. I love how Eris is being the best emotional support for him too, he really needs it. He may not have told Amanda who he really was, but that's not something to start a conversation lol.

[@chrisvalen]

Emooootional damage.... I started busting up laughing when you said that thinking about that TikTok with that 1 guy saying that😁🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@zombieape0089]

Man, that hurts so much. The story of Crow is one I follow and feel deeply, is amazing to see how the character development has been so good.

[@Mattznick]

crazy to remember when we first saw him being resurrected in Forsaken and all of us hypothesizing what's gonna happen and now look where we are

[@maruf8273]

This is a temporary seat back, I'm sure that they will be able to figure it out.

[@SpectrumWolf-hd7kf]

Hay Byf? During a patrol going from the main area to the pools... Calus said something about being able to feel changes in the Leviathan. And in another that he wants a new body... Can you look up this lead of Calus becoming the Leviathan?

[@Dhairyasheel192]

I like the concept of these Nightmares. We all too have our own Nightmares following us around...

[@dreadlord8628]

This season hits me hard personally, facing the past isn't easy facing yourself nothing is harder.

[@kutlumzrak2689]

*In the most flamboyant voice possible* DRAMA!

[@carolinefpurcell]

I get so excited at the beginning of a new season for all the lore, I always find myself thinking "I can't wait to see what Byf has to say about this!" I'm a sucker for a good story

[@tigrePrankster]

Byf: "I mean, what are you doing here?" Me: Writing (◔◡◔)✿

[@Bugattiboy912]

Crow won't purge his nightmare. Eris didn't. We brought mementos to Eris during Shadowkeep that allowed Eris to get some closure and move on. Once this happened her Nightmares vanished. A Nightmare's strength is also its weakness. They only have power if you let me them have power. What Crow, and whoever else included in the season's story, needs to do what we helped Eris do. Find closure and move on.

[@ilucasz]

I really want to know what Crow thinks about Mara. He clearly doesn't hate Savathun, rather he would believe that even she can be forgiven as he was. But, what about Mara? Unlike Uldren, Crow knows the evil that Mara did to him and that most of hus demise was her plan. Will he forgive her? Forgive someone who used him as a sacrificial lamb from the start? Will he forgive betrayal coming from his own family?

[@arnoldgoh5625]

i accidentally played this video in 2x speed, and I must say, the intro beats are sick.

[@ironfae]

Kinda feels like Crow is slowly being pushed into becoming a bigger villain than he used to be. He’ll never be trusted by the Vanguard and that’s bound to backfire. It reminds me of how the Jedi turned Anakin into Vader.

[@makbones3481]

The first time I heard that interaction I could just hear all of Crows internal screaming. The guy must be drowning in his own mind right now.

[@misstressscarlet]

As someone who doesn't play the Destiny games I truly appreciate this channel.

[@SlongestKongest]

How come.u watch if u dont play Do you jus enjoy the story?

[@Potato-adept]

Not even Well of radiance could heal me after that conversation

[@-Gilver]

Can't say I'm surprised this was bound to happen at some point

[@jamesmacdonald4435]

Another great video cheers buddy looking forward to the next 3weeks of content

[@grzetim]

The story team at Bungie has a ton to be proud of. As a day one fan of the series, I already had attachment to these charaters but now no one can say this game has no story. It's all right there in the game; no online cards, no having to hunt down videos. Here it is, experience it.

[@danielmunroe1423]

"I had a friend and you murdered him" Oh my days i was like 😱😱😱

[@williammiller4768]

Way back when, I held a gun to Uldrens head. Now? I got a feeling I’ll be leveling Luna’s Howl at everybody coming for him. It took me a bit to accept and well, forgive and separate Uldren from Crow. Crow is a kinderguardian. Even now just as fumbling as the rest of the New Lights running around the EDZ. I hated Uldren. I don’t hate Crow. We’re witnessing the hardest birthing of all. The birth of a whole person. Singular and all his own. And Crows terrified of who that person will be. And yeah, I put Uldren in the ground. Now I gotta pull Crow up and out of it. Before his own fears bury him.

[@colonelfalcar1089]

My goodness, the last time I was this early Byf made lore videos about Star Wars

[@danielhittle2343]

Something I’ve noticed during the containment missions, Eris is completely understanding of Crows struggles and even assures him that she won’t condemn him for his failings to sever Uldrens Nightmare. Crow and Uldren are the same in many ways, but there is one key difference between the two. Uldren lost everyone who cared about him but Crow has us The Guardian, Zavala, Eris, Glint, an entire support structure that can keep him grounded. Saladin showed him this by putting his life up in exchange for Crows for his killing of the Psion. A support structure is key for maintaining our mental health.

[@feralprocessor9853]

Byf is right, this is "Emotional Damage"!!!

[@theswaggernaught2012]

I could be off base with this but when I heard the communication between Holliday and Crow, I thought by "murdered friend" she meant, by Crow accepting to regain his memories of Uldren, he was 'murdering' his new self and in a way turning his back on a 2nd chance. edit: I feel like EVERYONE was informed Uldren killed Cayde so why would that come as new/shocking info to Holliday. edit 2: It just clicked that when Amanda says "I had a friend, YOU murdered him". She's talking to Uldren not Crow. Hmmm.

[@synestia4005]

WTF. Of course she meant cayde with murdered friend. If you try to empathise with the persons who lost cayde at least for once, you'd see that. But apparently all empathy is reseverd for crow only, because he suffers that much and we all know nobody else suffers, especially not Amanda that crybaby.

[@Un4tunate_]

So hype for another mention of nezarec! Hopefully there is more lore to go over that.

[@WingZero761]

Well Byf, I keep up to date on the lore of D2 and had hung up my ghosts last year. I'm still trying to see if D2 can really get me hooked into playing again. Ever since that forced sunset then not sunset on certain weapons and armor, I lost my drive to play. The lore is all I care for now.

[@vismortis]

Amanda is so pissed, I think we should talk to her. Yes he was Uldren but if we can forgive him and he can forgive us for him killing Cayde and us for killing him with Caydes gun I think she may understand. Even Cayde I think would understand, not like Uldren wasn’t corrupted by the Garden, Oyrx, Savathun, and Riven

[@bread4108]

I think my favourite thing I’ve read so far in the new lore is I believe from a weapon in the season pass where it talks about 3 legionaries, 2 splicers, a praxis warlock and a titan all working together and end up fighting a Calus animatronic.

[@TheZamaron]

Danm I love hw that dialogue plays out. You know in a narrative sense, it;s very tragic. Amanda "Wore that mask, pretended to be my friend." Crow "Amanda I am your friend." Amanda "I had a friend (Cayde) and you murdered him." Danm the voice acting here is so good. You can just feel the pain of both people. Amanda realizing who Crow is and feeling the buried emotions she did from Cayde's death. While Crow is feeling pain at possibly losing a good friend he'd recently made, pain drudged up from a long time of suffering for the past and sins of the man who's body he was born in. Can't wait to see where this goes.

[@terracottafred5126]

I’m trying so hard to be understanding and not make any snap judgements. Tensions are high and Amanda is entitled to her feelings especially regarding Cayde. But also… AMANDA I SWEAR TO GOD YOU GO APOLOGIZE TO CROW RIGHT NOW HE IS GOING THROUGH SO MUCH AND DID NOT DESERVE ALL THAT CRAP YOU JUST DROPPED ON HIM!

[@RurouniHiro]

Yeah I’m really disappointed in Amanda, though I understand how complex yet sinple it was to answer amanda especially since she isn’t willing to hear anything he had to say. “Since Savathun….” “When ever memory of Uldren’s was forced back into me.” Even though could be the direct and easiest answer, it’s also the most loaded reply and makes the general degradation of their relationship worse. Though his mention of people just Killing him on sight, should be telling enough. Unfortunately I doubt Amanda and crow were close enough yet for him to ever bring it up or mention anyone aspdct before he arrived to the city. Then there’s the fact that Crow did save Zavala. Though I am waiting on Amanda’s interaction with us, since we were the ones who did hunt down and kill uldren and was there when Cayde passed on…

[@J-manli]

My personal take is that Amanda never fully grieved Cayde’s death and Crow’s reveal was the tipping point for all that bottled grief to escape. Iirc, at the end of Forsaken, Amanda was about to ask us who pulled the trigger on Uldren but backed out and said she’d rather not know. This tells me that she tries to not think about it, but that’s usually the worst thing you could ever do when trying to process grief.

[@MrSulfor]

I mean he set this up by lying to her. Dude is going to have to accept his past and get to the part where he shows contrition for that.

[@derpdadouch3654]

Crow is the one who lied and caused all this to spill over, but let's blame amanda because she yelled at our favorite fuck up. Screw crow. It's irritating that the lore keeps telling us that guardians got to kill him over and over again, but all we get to do is look at him while he says stupid things.

[@RurouniHiro]

@@MrSulfor lie by omission? Otherwise when did he lie?

[@raymondchristopher80]

I have been anticipating that dialogue for a long time now... I was caught off guard in the best of ways, but I feel like they need for the culmination of this story deserves a cinematic end

[@darthball2723]

2:23 he said it he said the thing

[@zomorion9183]

It hit me when you said EMOTIONAL DAMAGE.

[@jackgrove4621]

Auto rifle lore tab from last season: emotional damage Message between amanda and crow: emotional crit

[@justinholmes9472]

Anyone notice that the new artifact is the heart of oryx.

[@derpdadouch3654]

Maybe that's what savathun meant by him coming back.

[@stigmatoxin1310]

Inb4 crow either joins Mara or accepts stasis

[@PlagueInjected]

Crow just gets felted over and over again this week, poor guy.

[@austin5282]

Can you do lore about shayura? It appears the trials armor says she is captured in the tower and is really depressed by what she did. Last I knew she loved killing guardians so was she possessed?