Destiny 2 Lore - Hearing the Voice of The Traveler in dreams? The Communications of The Light.

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[@garretburrow]

Bro I thought your depiction of Rhulk in pain during the reading of the ghost lore was spot on. However you did it, maybe you pitched down your voice or used a sample, doesn't matter. You nailed it. Good job.

[@LuigisPikachu]

With all due respect, my corner shop is cheaper.

[@chargedbowl]

Ya forgot about fenchurch. Its stated in the lore that he has been inside the traveler before and it smelt of vanilla.

[@garretburrow]

@@chargedbowl the lore in D1 kind of implies that Fenchurch was a swindler or scam artist, which would make him an unreliable narrator...meaning he probably made that story up lol

[@dredgenspace]

Relating to your breakdown of the journey into the traveler trailer you mentioned the possibility of it being Xivu's Brood. The Developer Gameplay Preview shows wrathborn affected hive at the 4:39 mark confirming this.

[@Jeerin_]

rhulk seems like the kind of guy who cant stop roleplaying an edgelord when someone is trying to talk to him normally

[@StupidCatLady]

Oh absolutely. He reminds me of death from Overlord lol

[@Fr0stbite1801]

He's the guy you do not want to disagree with on twitter, and on each reply you will see the telltale "[1/14]"

[@jassom1270]

“Just shut up and let me speak rhulkithy”

[@KelgorothTheFinalShape]

Unironically I wanna see Rhulk come back as a guardian because it would be so funny

[@kais295]

I like rhulk, he has so much lore

[@asdadd6304]

The traveler literally broke its eternity of silence to go “fuck you in particular” to Rhulk

[@Bufureaper]

Facts🤣🤣

[@dusk2308]

sometimes it do be like that tho. "i am a benevolent god who will give everyone their dreams (not you) if only of you ask of it"

[@CarlosCastillo-vi1pn]

Rhulk basically got a sun size flashbang to the face which I find very funny.

[@phalanx_destroyer_of_physics]

Think fast chuckle nuts

[@NeroLucifarious]

Traveler: THINK FAST CHUCKLENUTS!

[@CarlosCastillo-vi1pn]

You gotta pull the pin first stoopid

[@TheNukedNacho]

Its like that one world's brightest flashlight meme, but instead of a mugger, it was the First Disciple of the Witness

[@CarlosCastillo-vi1pn]

@@TheNukedNacho yes

[@Thecoffeeconsumer]

the idea of getting dream DMs from a god is hilarious

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

⚪ Guardian, you up? 👁️👄👁️

[@SealFormulaMaster]

New body, who dis?

[@vishiousbacon]

That's literally how it works in every medium and religion. Prayers are just @'s

[@fiercemonkey1]

Uh have you not seen religious folk? They think they talk to god all the time.

[@qoopertrooper]

@fiercemonkey1 not entirely true. SOME do sure, but most don't feel that way.

[@knightofavalon86]

It always seemed both odd and really fucking cool to see the Traveler go full Old Testament with Rhulk.

[@ivanoflavender9523]

Could not describe it better

[@maximusdankimus5352]

The burning ghost

[@knightofavalon86]

@@maximusdankimus5352 literally, in that poor bastard's case

[@savages-on-deck]

Rhulk was really speaking in quotes 😂 mf had me just as confused as the ghost

[@Landis963]

He comes from the Xehanort School of elocution.

[@smallj900]

God I love how mysterious the traveler is but that immaru comment about imaging your god speaks to you but all it does is scream for help is so chilling. Part of me hopes we might hear something like it in final shape

[@RuiNDieM1988]

That line made me shiver

[@jaygei_2641]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, in the latest mission, whenever those pulses of light happened, the Traveler screamed, did he not?

[@igneousorpheus]

Something Byf said made me realise that the Traveller died to create millions (?) Of ghosts and that millions of Precursors "died" to create the Witness, just a wee asymmetry between the two I noticed

[@peteraustin9057]

Billions of beings whittled into one singular "winning" purpose versus one being exploding out into billions of beings with their own independent thoughts and motives, it's like a living representation of sword and bomb logic respectively

[@zbrinz720]

Im still all for the theory that the traveler weakened the witness and forced it to flee by severing some souls from the witness and repurposed them into ghosts. All of them having different personalities feels like they existed as beings before being ghosts

[@andrewmaltz1081]

⁠@@peteraustin9057 I think it really speaks to the nature of Light and Dark as a whole, and connects to why the Witness can’t reach the Final Shape without the light. Darkness is all about taking what is available and cutting away the weak so the strongest part remains (billions of beings into one powerful one), while the Light is about growth and expansion in all directions, with some possibilities inevitably being strongest out of all of them (billions of ghosts finding potential warriors). With just the Darkness, you can only cut away so much to create a point, but that point will never be able to grow in strength. With only light, future iterations will grow wild without focus, endless physical life without purpose. With both, you can cut the chaff away and use what remains to expand into greater things, and repeat ad infinitum until future iterations are all identical, and are all perfect… the “Final” shape of perfection.

[@peteraustin9057]

@@andrewmaltz1081 right, you can't play the flower game with only one player

[@submachinegun5737]

The traveler directly interfered to give us well of radiance bc it knew it was the meta and a must have in a raid

[@peteraustin9057]

Saltagreppo was the witness all along

[@potato1341]

7:18 I love how Rhulk's like "I have worth beyond worth!" He's arrogant but he did earn it. If he had the power of the light, Rhulk would probably be the single most dangerous thing in the universe. He was already at WORST stronger Oryx, at best, he'd be close to the Witness' power (relatively speaking).

[@hamsterpixel]

Dipshit still gave his complete and utter devotion to something that is, essentially, a false god.

[@williammartin500]

I mean savathun was pretty similar in power to oryx and she had to literally trap him cause she'd literally get instant ko'd

[@ghoulishgoober3122]

​​​@@williammartin500it's largely due to their natures, you're right. They are equally powerful but in different ways. The pacts they made with the worm gods stipulate they must work under a specific "way". Savathun's stipulation is to gain strength and defeat foes through cunning, not brute force. That's Xivu Arath's stipulation, to gain strength and conquer with their strength. Oryx's was something about discovery or knowledge. Oryx and Xivu Arath are the only two allowed to always win using strength and weaponry. Whereas Savathun must deceive and outwit. She was never meant to face her foes head on like her siblings. Like you give an example of, she does have powerful magic. Trapping Oryx would still lead to certain death as he would be completely unable to feed his worm. It would devour him and that's a true death I believe.

[@toemash6816]

@@ghoulishgoober3122 think they were talking about having trapped rhulk in his pyramid. Also presumably oryx would’ve still received tithes to sustain his worm if trapped?

[@Forcer69]

7:33 I genuinely thought that was my cat at first

[@meerkatmatrix]

I expect a video of your cat doing a rhulk impression at some point now

[@Dolphin_editz69]

Cat disciple of the witness

[@AwashimaSeriLieutenant]

The traveler straight up hit Rhulk like your mom does when you try to take something that isn't yours. The traveler is a mom confirmed!

[@chargedbowl]

Maybe the traveler isnt even a being. It could just be a machine that the gardener created and is controlling. Since every vison we see is of the same women. And even the old intro for the game had her there with the traveler.

[@GeronimoPlaz]

Milf

[@ghoulishgoober3122]

​​​@@chargedbowlthe fact that we have an image for the traveler. Maybe she's not a physical being, but similar to the Witness has put her consciousness into something else. Whoever our orb momma is, sacrificed her physical form to become Gaia. Mother Earth, goddess of life and fertility. The traveler is 1:1 some life goddess, she only creates life and hates its passing. Except for all the times she has let it, but her little babies? You see in the video lol

[@MorganNull-uj6uu]

@@ghoulishgoober3122Thing is the Traveler never outwardly lets things die. Things let themselves die.

[@mcmewsen]

Seeing Crow like this reminds me of why I learned to like him despite what he did in his past life. Deep down, he is a good man...and I like to think Uldren was, too, at one point. Seeing him rediscover that good man here (and for the rest of the game) was a refreshing flip of his script.

[@John-nj6xl]

Love this comment. Annoys me a little how much hate crow gets cuz he ended cayde even tho it wasnt really him. Crow being who he is now it's what uldrin was before he visited the garden that time and when mara got 'killed' in Oryxs attack only made the influence grow stronger. I liked cayde don't get me wrong and I was sad to see him go but it made room for other characters to shine aka zavala ikora then introduced grear additions like caital mithrax etc. Just hoping cayde doesn't take centre stage in the final shape wheb really it should be us.

[@TheZamaron]

@@John-nj6xlI don’t know how anyone can blame Crow. Ever since we met him he made it very clear like all Guarduans that he had no memory of his past life. Crow may have physically been Uldren more then most Guardians since rather then being ressed from atoms or a skeleton he was ressed from a still mostly intact body. But his mind being blank he found his own path and identity, whether he was like how Uldren once had been or was completely his own personality he still was a whole new person. I immediately loved Crow as I found him kind, sweet with Glint and just a cool dude I’d in universe make my best friend and want to do many missions with. He forged his own path and in time regained Uldren’s memories, but having been his own for a time and now seeing clearly Uldren’s sins he eventually excepts them and becomes a 3 rd person. The personality of Crow, but memories and experience and mistakes of both. Uldren is gone, but Crow will fix his mistakes.

[@scottyskywalker5768]

5:56 byfs ghost voice sounds like the 343 guilty spark

[@justincarrel7930]

Way back in Shadowkeep, when we first approached the pyramid on Luna, our ghost immediately feels something wrong, that something is off. And later on when we first gained stasis, our ghost felt that something was not right. And then in beyond light, we learned that our ghosts are indeed conduits for peracausal power, not just the light but also the darkness, and evidently our ghost has little to no defense towards having the darkness channeled through it. The Witness used our ghost as a conduit twice, and we were powerless to stop it. So the traveler reaching out to talk to Hulk isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility.

[@blackhat1018]

That's certainly reasonable, but there's a problem with that. If the Traveler can speak clearly and lucidly through Ghosts, why has it not done so for us? Constellations clearly shows the Traveler trying to speak, even to the point of its 'voice being raw' from trying (and also lamenting how difficult communication is for it). Humanity has only received visions and dreams. It will speak clearly and directly to Rhulk but not to the people it chose to make its final stand against the Darkness with? It just doesn't make sense.

[@SymbioteMullet]

​@@blackhat1018maybe it's to do with a concept like mirroring - the traveller can talk to people in the manner of the paracausal force they are most allied to. Darkness is the realm of thought and memory, so it can talk to beings of Darkness with clear thoughts and words. Light is, so the witness says, mindless, so it can only talk to beings of light with instinct and metaphor. So it could presumably talk with the greatest clarity to Mara, as she's in balance with both. And Prismatic is a balance of both, so if we start hearing the voice after getting it, maybe this is why?

[@LowLifeDust]

Woah I didnt realize the wolf dream clovis had, it basically reminds clovis, "the strength of the wolf is the pack, and the strength of the pack is the wolf" Clovis wanted to be the strongest but by doing so he killed off his pack and in the end weakening himself overall

[@kakkaohjus]

I think that while the Traveler always had a backup, Crows role as that backup wasn't planned but a happenstance an opportunity to flip a discarded pawn of the Darkness to Light.

[@XionWillow]

Hearing Clovis' dream after Saint's makes me wonder if the gardener could have been referring to clovis as the father

[@jacobnoelle8428]

My thoughts as wells

[@kengojoe2444]

That would be awesome if true

[@Lazy-Lizard]

The winnower would be our father, it's the reason humanity even exists.

[@jasonkeely7269]

That entire Hawkmoon quest/story is probably the best exotic mission we've ever had. I had a lot of nostalgia for Whisper but after replaying it I realized how short it was and how much better they have gotten over the years

[@biiill5259]

There is another instance of the traveler speaking directly to us. If you made a new character I forget which seasons it was but during the new light quest you had a series of meditations that acted as tutorials. During those the quest steps were worded like “you will clear the rocks” “you will slam this” and most metal of all “you will end them”

[@ZeeSips]

The supposed traveller's "THIS ONE IS NOT FOR YOU" Reminds me of the Stormfather from Stormlight Archive for some reason.

[@themuzzy5092]

Oh snap you’re right. That comparison never crossed my mind.

[@jokeyxero]

Thankfully the Stormfather didn't kill who he was protecting as a solution. There's a lot of Sanderson influence on Destiny, as with tons of other fantasy and sci-fi, whether consciously or not.

[@Landis963]

It's the all-caps, I think.

[@iamrazor9831]

The Red War really was something else huh, I almost always forget that Ghaul once held the light and had light supers like the guardians

[@mshaman86]

Yeah but his builds were trash. That's why he lost.

[@Dendyaryadi]

@@mshaman86 because bungie told him to alpha testing prismatic class

[@Storebror492]

I wish New Lights could experience the Red War campaign..If anything to see the origins of how we got to where we are today (during Destiny 2's life).

[@iamrazor9831]

@@Storebror492 not just new lights I want to experience it again myself with all the new abilities and weapons we now have access to

[@sirgideonofnir6840]

Ghaul was a G he didn't come up with a convoluted plan to steal or be gifted the light. He took it by force. No one else was or has been able to do that. I just he was given more respect but we dogged on him in his fight

[@Doctor_XI]

41:53 When I heard the "like his father" line, my first thought was of something more personal to Saint-14. Something like Clovis Bray being the father of all Exos, or the Speaker being a father figure for Saint. Though I do like the idea of the Gardener comparing people to the Winnower like a disappointed mom

[@shadowlight6084]

This fully confirms my headcannon that gaurdians are nothing but a bunch of autistic kids. The traveler is our mom. The Vanguard our daycare.

[@BrazarB]

10:10 that Nova Bomb 😭 Also find it interesting that the Traveler has given dreams to people, despite the Light being of the physical & Darkness being about the non-physical, consciousness, dreams, etc

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

yeah which is why some of the lore nerds were frustrated at the big reveal of Light = physical, Dark = mental. It's a fun dichotomy but it breaks some important preestablished stuff. I think us getting a vision from the Traveler is half the reason the red war campaign is gone.

[@kalebdavis7080]

There's a good theory that Ghosts are darkness+light based, which is why the Witness is able to hijack our ghost at times

[@jcpenny6310]

yea it makes a lot of the Alpha Lupi theories from D1 a lot more muddied and confusing

[@mshaman86]

From my estimation, the darkness is a power of consciousness becoming physical, and the light is a power of the physical becoming conscious. The veil connects all minds, kind of like a neural net. The traveller however seems to reflect all that it sees, recreating it, kind of like a giant eyeball. When the two connect in harmony, I believe it grants the power to create a reality within reality. Effectively altering existence as you see fit.

[@AFunkyFella]

TBH the whole physical vs mental thing feels so much more convoluted then what I believe we had before, being Energy vs Entropy? Like for example, Solar is the excitement of molecules while Stasis is complete stillness. Strand in my eyes COULDVE been the opposite of Arc, Strand being like radioactive decay of molecular bonds while Arc is what binds things together. Felt like that's what Destiny was going for at first?

[@CloneMalone]

Dang Byf, your Rhulk and Ghost mannerisms were on point

[@RulerPhoenix]

It reads as it follows " Hi it's me Ryan Ronald's" 😂Ad got me

[@paragonflash8937]

Isnt it a neat detail that were getting 3 new supers related to the 3 new supers at the beginning of the red war At the start of the red war it showed the Hunter arc staff, Warlock Dawnblade, and Titan Sentinal shield. In the final shape were getting Hunter Storm's edge, Warlock Song of flame, and Titan Twilight arsenal.

[@nicholascazmay2126]

I think it’s significant that Clovis’ conversation with alpha Lupi about stealing from the bounty of plenty for self-empowerment mirrors the Unveiling reading about cells stealing energy from others and cancers. I think it harkens back to the Winnower’s anger over allowing for patterns that blight the rest of the garden - it was referring to individuals like Clovis Bray.

[@camgor4048]

All the more reason to believe that the Traveler/Gardener is telling the truth to Clovis in his dream when it says Clarity was not what gave him the exobody specifications.

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

​@@camgor4048Is Alpha Lupi trying to infer that it was She who gave the information? Or does she mean to infer it was manipulation by the Witness, not """Clarity"""?

[@sniperfity2327]

Bungie removing quests like this, is why new players cant get into the story. So much lore, all so imprtant and relevant, great voice acting and storytelling. All down the drain pretty much.

[@seanrath6043]

I agree and also I miss my Io😢 as vet

[@JacobSantosDev]

It would be clutch if they released a comprehensive decade edition that pulls all of the content back in allowing you to play all of the missions from D1 along with the seasons. It would be a game with hundreds, if not thousands of hours. Which is why they wouldn't do it. It would be cool tho

[@jokeyxero]

I'm predicting we'll get almost everything released again as they shift to Destiny 3 and don't have to keep trying to enhance D2 anymore.

[@jeremydaoud6792]

Red war is my favorite campaign because it truly feels like OUR story whereas others feel like we are almost watching. Perhaps forsaken is similar i guess but red war does it best imo

[@velkana]

forsaken was fun because it was personal, the vanguard wasn't out to help us so we did it ourselves

[@whoelsebutandrew3084]

I hope after final shape the traveler will talk to us directly and give us a thanks bro

[@its_holtzzy]

1 hour lore video? lets fucking go

[@woundedhealer8575]

That one Cryptarch at the Farm in the EDZ had the same vision as us. I don’t know how well that counts as other sources of the Traveler speaking but you know😬

[@denny8422]

off-topic but my fellow warlocks using briarbinds fully relate to seeing Byf grabbing anything but his Void Soul in Onslaught 😂

[@ChemistyStudent]

Seriously! Void Souls need to just autopickup when you get close enough to them!!! To many pickups on the same damn button!!!

[@denny8422]

@@ChemistyStudent it'd be nice to have as an option at least, though I don't think I'd take it. sounds like it'd lead to bugs/exploits somehow which I'm not against until things I don't want to happen begin happening

[@halberd-3291]

During the Red War, the Guardian was also called back to the Shard multiple times to rediscover their lost subclasses, and the Traveler used projections and voices of Guardians past and present to help teach lessons relating to our subclasses. It’s my belief that the Guardian wasn’t some special chosen one. Instead circumstances lead to us to become the recipient of the Traveler’s will during the Red War. We woke in the Cosmodrome, which brought us against the Fallen, then the Hive, leading to encountering the Exo Stranger and sending us to Venus, and by extension on a path to the Black Garden. We saved the Traveler twice in that campaign - then our experiences from then brought us against Crota, the House of Wolves, Oryx, and the Splicers. Sheer coincidence - or maybe the Traveler’s plan - brought us from the Cosmodrome, all the way to standing against the Witness in the Pale Heart.

[@soul23survivor81]

Interestingly when I was helping out one of my sibling get started in d2. The new light mission learning the light has the traveler speak to you through the mission objectives.

[@Natefilenotfound]

Indeed

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

Can u link video example?

[@jaredshunt2995]

The Ruhlk pain noise was great! Love your reenactments!

[@Spawnofgolden]

I MUST BE DREAMING A 1 HOUR BYF VIDEO AFTER A BANGER?????

[@__The_Real_V__]

55 minutes, not an hour

[@PrestonGarhvey]

The only voice you need to hear is mine, as another settlement needs your help , I'll mark it on your map

[@rossstang8808]

We are ready for the big video! Thank you so much for everything you’ve done for this community and please continue to do it in a way that is healthy for both you and your family!

[@mosurikutenpi3322]

Bro... the Traveler breaking years of silence just to tell Rhulk to "fuck off" is the coolest thing it did since releasing the funny balls (ghosts)

[@pnutbteronbwlz9799]

It’s actually crazy how accurate some of these stories are to who God is and how people blame him/ how he interacts with them even when they don’t know. Especially Saints and Clovis’. Gave me chills. Thanks for covering these stories so well as you always do.

[@BaDNeWsPaNdA1]

Cannot wait for our FULL context video! Always love playing D2 while listening to the lore

[@garrettviewegh9028]

I have a two-part theory why we Guardians haven’t been able to hear the Traveler’s voice. 1. The Gardner within the Traveler has been toiling away for centuries building up an army of dead Guardian legends to aid in defending her Pale Heart. 2. We haven’t been close enough to speak with her, as becoming Transcendent, is how paracuasal beings are able to hear her. Her speaking to Rulk may have been that he provoked her enough to turn away from her preparations to scold/humble him. After gaining the power of Prismatic, we will be able to communicate with her. The last reason the Gardner hasn’t spoken to us? 3. She’s seen many dark futures where we’ve fallen. She chose to stay and will soon speak with us. Because we did everything needed that she’d hoped we do, as a test of our purity, our resilience. To become the light of hope. We: Rasputin, Saladin, Eris, Zavala, Ikora, Mithraks, and so many others, proved to her we are worthy, that we have potential. That this time? We can, and will win. Making Elizabeth, her messenger of the calamity that would befall us every time. So, she stayed in Sol, and put her faith, the final chance, the last battle, up to us. Answering us, instead of finding the answer for ourselves, would have proven us to be another pawn of the Witness, the Winnower.

[@TheHegemon11]

Super excited for your new Destiny story recap!

[@grimgoo2487]

I'm actually hyped for that total lore video I've been looking for one on KZbin for a while

[@zombiepicnic9683]

These videos have been great. Just what I needed to refresh my memory, and get my head in the right place as we head into the Final Shape.

[@Avesevenfold]

Great video, the quality of your voice work is exquisite. Thanks for hard work

[@caexlevethix6210]

one of your better videos @mynameisbyf you are improving. thank you for always striving for more, for improvement, and to avoid the toxin that is stagnation.

[@ShadowPIXL_]

Do you think that the Traveler/Gardener transcends time? Elsie states that there are multiple dark futures that she had to experience on loop, maybe the Traveler experiences them too and is why it appears tired with premature grey hair and speaks as if she's seen everything before with lines like, "I've always tried", "maybe in your next life", etc. The Traveler likely didn't experience our timeline alone, but she's experienced every timeline ever for who knows how long

[@Wullff]

the quality of every video you make is always breath taking

[@atlas3104]

You did amazing with the voice work!!

[@TheLuckyTim7]

Love your thoroughness, I forgot about that quest on Io and I never heard a ton of the lost sector dialogue. It’s terrifying

[@FishBoneCh]

These old scenes of us getting our visions is extremely nostalgic… I wish I could play again and experience it… too bad I’ll never get to do that

[@ivanoflavender9523]

So happy to see more deep dives into the light

[@kyleespinoza7201]

I always wondered a lot about the Traveler or the Light itself when it would communicate to others. On the one hand, Light is physical and Darkness non-physical, so it doesn't really make sense that it would or could do so. But on the other hand, the Traveler undeniably shows that it's conscious, sentient, has a will of it's own, etc. Now with Prismatic and Transcendance, mixed with what we learned from Veil containment, I guess it's just too sinplistic to see the Light and Darkness as opposites and incompatible, but two sides of the same coin. But what that means for the Gardener and Winnower, their fight, and the Flower Game.... I'm not sure if I've finished considering the implications for myself. Also, i wonder if becoming Transcendant will make it perhaps easier to properly commune with the Traveler/ Light/ Gardener. From the trailer, the voice spoke to us after gaining Prismatic, although it was just a trailer.

[@tysonkrunek4132]

You are sounding great this week. I wear the DSC mark with my Virtuous armour for the best St-14 cosplay

[@ishspringer]

Rhulk seems like a Dwight from the office type friend, someone who's always so serious that's its fun to mess with him lol

[@mythos0008]

Venextron being mentioned makes me so happy, he has awesome theories for the lore!

[@dynojackal1911]

The fact that the new Supers we get in Final Shape are the same subclasses as the ones we received from the Shard inside the Dark Forest is very thematically fitting. Going full circle from the early part of the Red War story to the start of the final chapter in the Light & Darkness saga.

[@Natefilenotfound]

With the book of Unveiling, and the Veiled statues we’ve been seeing more of, as well as the recent intro of the Veil as well, I’m curious to what we’re gonna uncover about these statues, the true gardener and winnower and not just the characters using dark/light for their own purposes or goals for the universe, maybe the veil over the statues is why the traveler hasn’t been able to speak directly to us? Because the witness or winnower veiled them or silenced their voice. Or was it their own doing to be silenced? Interesting indeed.

[@dankke456]

Venextron mention lets go! I love his theories. Nice seeing a small lore youtuber like him get some love!

[@Meowow55iscat]

7:31 I’m sure Byf had a lot of fun doing that

[@TheZamaron]

My guess why the Traveler likely intervened with Rhulk is that most enemies may be able to study a Ghost but not get critical info about it, but being a Deciple Rhulk may have greater means that may allow him to, thus the Traveler intervened to prevent Rhulk from doing so.

[@oryx_the_god5027]

One hour Byf video?! Let’s go!

[@LotusHex103]

Byf, you could release a video as long as the complete mythos of hp lovecraft (nearly 23 hours, btw) and I'd watch and support every second of it. You and the lore vault are sole reasons as to why a lot of us even know how much we know today.

[@Stewpa2000]

I don't even play destiny anymore, but I still watch Byfs videos. :)

[@Natefilenotfound]

Come back everything’s free right now

[@jonathanmumbi8618]

I've never even played Destiny but I still got completely hooked on Byf's lore videos.😂😂😂 He's just that good.

[@justinchamberlin4195]

Huh...reading that bit of dialogue of the Traveler speaking directly through the Ghost produced two thoughts for me: 1) it's super interesting to think that the Traveler can cause Ghosts to blow up on command, and 2) I can't help but think that the Traveler's actual voice would sound something like Harbinger from Mass Effect. Deep, weighted by ancient centuries of experience, slightly disturbing in its alienness.

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, RIP the "Speaker" overall leader of the late cities factions.

[@DeathsPit00]

The Dreams of Alpha Lupi cards from D1 are always interesting. Beyond that the only other communication I can think of is when Zavala used the Speaker's mask in the Dark Future Lore book. It DID choose to run in that timeline. Mara and Zavala chased it with the Leviathan. Awesome lore book. Highly recommend.

[@aidantriana5774]

Your voice acting is awesome.

[@Light_Buster]

45:04 I feel sadistic for saying this, but I would've loved to see his monumental pain after all that he's done.

[@TheNukedNacho]

So... this was Crow's… Destiny. All of this... all of this is Bomb Logic, as you put it Byf. From the birth of Mara and Uldren during the Collapse, to their Sacrifice during the Taken King, to Riven's manipulation with the Scorn, to the creation of the new Hawkmoon and Crow being not just a Risen but a Guardian. To now Crow being the key for us to save the Traveler and all of existence itself. All of the pieces put together to give us our chance to stop the Witness. An intricate, complex, chaotic Bomb of Light.

[@altogaming3656]

If the traveler is a supposedly a being of pure light, why does it communicate primarily through dreams. Could it be that the traveler is not purely based in the light? And if that’s the case, what does that mean for the veil?

[@MrVidman14]

I think the traveller uses dreams because dreams by their nature are vague and more importantly interpretive, the reason I think Interpretative is important is because I think the Traveller and the Light think that if you give someone an idea that they interpret, they make a choice To put it simply, it’s one of the things that changes the rule of the game, giving a person a choice makes the game complex. Give a vague idea to someone and you cannot predict what that person might do, you can guess but you don’t know until it’s happened

[@adampeabody963]

I'd love to see a proper cutscene with the rulk voice actor regarding the rulk/new ghost encounter

[@Omega-Ignition]

Great video!

[@Shisui805]

i must say, byf does a pretty good rhulk voice 😂

[@Herme5]

In alchemy, the Magnum Opus or Great Work is a term for the process of working with the prima materia to create the philosopher's stone. It has been used to describe personal and spiritual transmutation in the Hermetic tradition, attached to laboratory processes and chemical color changes, used as a model for the individuation process, and as a device in art and literature. The magnum opus has been carried forward in New Age and neo-Hermetic movements which sometimes attached new symbolism and significance to the processes. The original process philosophy has four stages: nigredo, the blackening or melanosis albedo, the whitening or leucosis citrinitas, the yellowing or xanthosis rubedo, the reddening, purpling, or iosis

[@MasterCJ117]

Holy shit, all that dialogue from the Traveler hits WAY different at this point in the story.

[@barthotymous]

I can't believe I didn't realise that Clovis Bray was almost the human equivalent of the Witness (besides the many people merging part)

[@Darthlightskin]

I know we’ve beaten this point into the ground but it really breaks my heart to see how much of the story content that’s no longer in the game. Wish it was different.

[@soulofdarkmoon]

Just saying your ghost voice might be one of the greatest things I’ve ever heard I want to hear more

[@MathersMahmood]

I was going to go to sleep. Guess sleep will have to wait an hour

[@ashecrocker1448]

u did a good voice over for rhulk

[@MegaManZer088]

I'm looking forward to that video

[@johnattwood4000]

Seeing Io and the ikelos shotgun being a force with out grapple, simple days but still..

[@feralprocessor9853]

Thanks Factor

[@grzetim]

The redux video will be a great way to get people caught up, or if Final Shape knocks it out of the park a primer for new players. There's not many games out there that have 10+ years of connected lore like Destiny. I love the idea that the Traveler has been leaving these breadcrumbs over this long a time as a emergency valve to save everything. I am sure some major strokes of the story Bungie has had in the works for a while but the way they've blended some things in that seemed secondary or more to the main lore is so fun. You don't have to have been here for the whole ride to enjoy it, but there are those nuggets in there for the OGs. The Clovis vision is the most interesting of the bunch in my mind. It almost felt like a Jacob Marly moment where the Traveler came to him and told him he was on the wrong path. It seems that Clovis was far too gone at that point; be it his own ego, the corruption from Clarity, or a combination. It's also been establish that while the Witness is VERY powerful; it is not the Winnower. So, is that still out there? Are we sure the Traveler is the Gardener? What if the Traveler is one of many constructs gifted with the power of the Gardener; almost like conduits to its power? Similar to the Veil; it's a conduit to the Winnower's power? So, the Witness cutting into a source of the Gardener's power with the Winnower's power could very well be something of a paradox and that is how the Witness' vision of the Final Shape comes to be; a corruption of the Gardener's power with the Winnower's.

[@robertmoog3]

Is this onslaught footage from normal or legend? Graviton is absolutely slaying out

[@peteraustin9057]

The woman in saint's vision saying "like your father" and then adding "all of you" makes me think that the father could also be clovis bray, and "all of you" refers to exos in general since clovis bray I created the exo program. However the father of the exos could still also be the winnower since clovis needed darkness in the form of clarity to refine radiolaria into the alkahest (which may also be the radiolaria-like fluid that is leaking out of Saint in his dream)

[@DarthLevicor]

Watching Byf to help cure my absolutely abysmal attention span.

[@jaimeesquivel1729]

I don't mean to rush you Byf, but I'm still eagerly awaiting the Winnower video you said you were working on.

[@Idkidkidk716]

You are the best! ❤

[@SirTilley]

Ngl Byf did really good voice acting when Rhulk got exploded on lmao

[@MrTurtle2108]

Soooo looking forward to Dynasty mkii? Really enjoyed the original one 😀.

[@Zagafur]

i find it interesting that the traveler doesnt stop a ghost from giving the light to the hive, or the humans who became warlords, or you know, cyrell, who goes around killing ghosts. it only did it to rhulk.

[@RodrigoAstroturd]

After listening to the part about Saint and the Deep Stone Crypt, I was wondering, did we ever hear more of the long slow whisper mentioned by Cayde in his post death messages? I'm not certain but I feel like there was also mention of it in a grimoire card from d1.

[@Elistix]

I've done been caught up with the lore. But you bet your buns I'm gonna watch that long video. Thank you, lore daddy

[@l1ft3r15]

Might just be me, but Saint’s dream totally gives me a vibe that it was his mother checking up on him