Destiny 2 Lore - Liminality, The Witness & The Wish Dragons! Precursor Secrets in the New Strike!

[@MynameisByf]

If you want to get Final Shape for yourself, click here: bung.ie/MyNameisByf #BungieCreator #ad

[@agentjtravel_walkthru4205]

My life is complete when Byf is in the mix! I hope I can get a fire team to do the raid!

[@synthetik_soul]

Byf did you see Myelin's last video? HUGE! Idk if you've had a chance to see the new race introduced.

[@zwojack7285]

I just realized that the new voice actor for Zavala, Keith David, is also the voice actor for the President of the USA in Rick & Morty lmao

[@TheZombie462]

Bungie sponsoring Byf to do a lore review on their content is like getting a FAT bonus at your dream job

[@The_Gravemind]

it's called a cop out for not being able to produce a coherent story in the past decade. the Destiny "community" is absolutely incompetent. 🤡

[@Soliderboy-04]

@@The_Gravemindthis bother gets no pussy🤡

[@alphaxbox3728]

​​@@The_Gravemind I know for a fact a Halo fan isn't coping in byfs comments when that series has been bastardized and cucked beyond belief. Crying Stockholm syndrome while being in the same damn cell is wild.

[@mightbedelta]

​@@The_Gravemindbrother, i know you're still mad bungie stopped making halo games (i am too, a little) but it was over a decade ago. move on, stop trolling in destiny youtube comment sections and find something better to do with your life. this is just sad man get real

[@ddogthepimp]

@@The_Gravemind the gravemind with 🤡 face paint image your comment just gave me, because of the cope, made my night thank you

[@gtrain6392]

“if you like the lore videos I’ve done the last few months” Excuse me sir, I love all the videos you put out for lore and such. There is no question of “if”😂🤣

[@KenpoKid77]

What is this "if" word he keeps using??

[@ThatKid22101]

@@KenpoKid77 reminds me a pain and ill from Hercules lol

[@jhsrt985]

No if at all

[@HALOGUNNYSGT]

6:47 Dude, you say this as I'm working my security job patrolling my local multi-level parking garages at 1 AM...

[@dirtnoise0]

Hello byf, i once played amongst you in gambit. You killed the scoreboard.

[@gtrain6392]

As an avid Gambit player, this comment alone about Byf playing Gambit made my guardian, ghost and myself smile. 😂

[@MynameisByf]

You caught me in a rare moment of bounty prep I feel. That being said... It is always fun to take short dives back in every once in a while...

[@ThatKid22101]

@@MynameisByf I personally feel Gambit is underrated, I'd chose it over crucible any day lol.

[@eranronen573]

​@MynameisByf oh byf, that was not a compliment

[@Harrison-zc3hu]

That poor red bar scorn raider just caught the meanest shiver strike in existence 😭

[@Xenronnify]

The Witness knows what an Ahamkara's insides look like bc it was running solo Riven on its Titan smurf account

[@agreen9831]

Still reminded of Ice Age every time I see the "frozen" pale blocks of glass like @ 3:33 and 23:32. lol

[@div3345]

The biggest thing I learned after watching this video is that Byf could absolutely do SCP content.

[@AtenSol12]

itd be like a secret second channel thing that would find its own audience , i think that might go well

[@AtenSol12]

@MorganNull-uj6uu i dont inherently disagree but i know for a lot of other destiny content creators if they end up wanting to expand their content they have to do secondary channels and such bec the primary destiny audience wont engage and itll make the metric performance of the main channel look poor.

[@guardian4626]

Year. I'd start playing D2 seriously after dive into lore and find there things, that i love in SCP and some other similar fiction universes.

[@Cincere212]

I’d love a second channel with SCP content. Very interesting stuff and his voice would make it all the more compelling

[@EiriniYT]

I'd absolutely love that oml

[@starwatcherusa]

I like this style of lore video. Where you repeat voice lines and video clips multiple times. It may seem a bit handhold-y, but to me it's much more comprehensive and assertive that the audience absolutely understands what's going on

[@TheRealSnowballzz]

Byf popping his super right in front of the Tormentor was bold lol

[@frozi1541]

This is just like Gorbino's Quest. This is the Gorbino's Quest of Byf explaining the L O R E.

[@pieboi3082]

Agreed, I think Bungie took a lot of inspiration from the deep story that is Gorbino’s Quest.

[@abyssosque]

so real, i think tfs honestly pales in comparison to the beauty that is gorbino's quest, i mean it is 500 hours of mindpumping action

[@mysteriousjess.]

Bungo sponsoring Byf is like the rest of us getting paid to breathe air or drink water Hell yeah

[@soraxstacy1477]

Its like having your cake, and eating it too!

[@Machobanaenae]

I absolutely loved how Bungie wrote Zavala this expansion. That narrative version of the strike was my favorite dialogue in the expansion. How Zavala lashes out on everyone including Cayde and brought up a really good point about him having no say on Zavala and Ikora’s beef for dying on them. It’s been nothing but hard since that event occurred for the Vanguard. And how he delivers that “That’s not enough”. SHEEESH 🔥🔥🔥

[@The_Gravemind]

🤡

[@jekkin8972]

Ok be honest did you even play the final shape. And also why are you watching a bfy vid if you ain't into destiny ​@@The_Gravemind

[@Machobanaenae]

@@The_Gravemind I sometimes miss being an edgy teenager too but I’m glad I grew out of it hope the same happens to you brotha

[@Tiger_katsune]

I wasn't expecting a crossover between the SCP foundation, Liminal spaces, And destiny. All of my favorite things

[@Sta_cotto]

I have yet to actually encounter Liminality during any of my vanguard playlist sessions

[@mr.vagomaestro1035]

Same

[@theeternalslayer9513]

They removed it because people were joining mid strike when loading in and missing story beats and it would complete the step if they joined at the boss, so you either A have to load it up manually, B wait for them to fix, or C, do the Nightfall of it if you're able to when that eventually goes live

[@EpicJonC]

I played it two weeks ago in vanguard ops, it was bugged, i havnt played VOps in whie, idk if its rotating rn

[@KingOfSpacePrime]

I just had it show up for the first time today

[@fcksham7127]

@@theeternalslayer9513 thats what happened when I did it with my friend day one missed everything before the large room with the strand boss

[@jasonhernandez9023]

While I honestly do wish Lance Reddick could have seen the Final Shape after all his years of voicing our Commander, I have to admit, Keith David's more gruff tone really worked to convey the inner conflict of Zavala. It's as if the shift in his character almost necessitated it. Rest in Peace, Lance Reddick. And personally, I remember playing through the campaign back in the day hearing her call Zavala a coward for putting his duties to the people above his personal feelings @31:36 really made me dislike her character. Though, it did make me really enjoy the writing because it kept in line with both her character and his.

[@PG-tm9pe]

another part of the discomfort we get in the strike is the disunity of the vanguard in this crucial moment. personally referred to it as the "mom and dad are fighting" arc lol

[@Djoki1]

Now that Byf has mentioned the Ikea SCP, id certainly love to listen to him talk about the SCP lore.

[@Corey_Sins]

@@Djoki1 second this

[@vV_Viggo]

“Liminal” was the name of the card from the Deck of Whispers representing Arc Light. The eye of a hurricane could be described as liminal, in a sense. || Amid the endless death, one flew--unnatural, all-consuming need……… And in the space between the two, accursed comprehension freed. ||

[@FF-cl1wl]

22:32 Regarding this point about the possible consequences of using wish magic in this strike. I think said consequences have already been dealt as part of Zavala's arc. He sought darkness obsessively in this part of the story and right after it he ends up losing Targe, his one link to the light. Leaving him only with Darkness.

[@aq5426]

Byf gives us lyf. Your videos are always so good at breaking down the lore and pointing out things that most of us often miss. Thank you.

[@hunterpalmer3183]

30:20 damn, i wasn't sure who would be the new voice actor for zavala, but man Keith David is doing good work.

[@DredgenStorm]

I believe they confirmed Keith David at least 6 months in advance if I'm remembering correctly. But kudos to you for avoiding the internet for that long

[@jokeyxero]

I think The Witness knows what the Ahamkaras' insides look like because it dissected them. I've been interpreting all the sliced up and rebuilt creatures as the Witness trying to create more perfect beings with only the powers of darkness and physics. I also think the weird combo of things actually stems from differing opinions inside The Witness. I think it was a hint all along that The Witness didn't actually have a solid plan other than "freeze it all". The details of the ideal shapes to be frozen into were still different based on the opinions of the Precursors within.

[@thedankpapyrus4779]

Liminality is definitely in my top 3 of strikes (granted it may drop to my most hated when it comes to gms but I digress) but the reminder of how things in the pale heart are all from memories made manifest makes me wonder how the witness saw guts of an ahamkara as well. Did it pin on down through sheer force of will and do what it did in the matodoxia lore tabor did it take some and peel awake taken flesh to see what they look like underneath. So many questions maybe it’s something that those 5 remaining dragons not of Riven’s clutch can tell us one day since I can only imagine what a wish dragon would do if it got its claws on an echo

[@Meowow55iscat]

This was probably one of my favorite strikes tbh

[@eranronen573]

Ikr!

[@tntradernox3654]

Kind of makes you wonder if the ahamkara sowed the witnesses defeat long ago. Did they cast doubt in some of his followers, or even some of the descendants who wanted to deflect? Was the witness aware of this and angry at them to the point where his memories include their guts on the walls?

[@july7863]

Mom wake up Byf just uploaded

[@kevindew123]

hahaha

[@ShowMeDemBoobies]

​@@kevindew123that wasn't even remotely funny.

[@ML-tf5xp]

Maybe rivens memories, when she pulled cayde back

[@bookwormsofconcord]

The cohesion of the concept of liminality and its presentation within the Strike is peak game design. For this reason, it has become my favorite Strike in Destiny.

[@formerlyknownasmousecopp4367]

I think something about the manifestation of memories is that even just an individual's memories can be extremely messy and incomplete, or just inaccurate altogether.

[@mastersprite2783]

20:00 One thought regarding the Ahamkara comes to mind: How certain are we that these ahamkara bones hold no power? Lets not forget that the ahamkara have the power to even break the fourth wall at times. Breaking the "wall" between reality and the pale heart seems like less of a stretch. We don't even know how Caide's resurrection has been twisted yet. Maybe this is the way. Bungie might not have had time to do something more with it, but I think it's completely conceivable that even the memories of Ahamkara bones within the pale heart could have some real power and influence.

[@papercamera2989]

I just wanted to add to your first point that if i remember correctly i think in truth to power (which if true is an unreliable source) the Ahamkara's whole goal is use their power to ascend their reality (aka Destiny) to ours

[@MsKid7]

Zavalas titan brain cell took over

[@kinggilgamesh013]

Wild n crazy thought what if the gardener used the ahamakara wish to bend the rules of the flower game to become principles within the game

[@Ironimperial]

The best SCP is the tomatos that fly at supersonic towards anyone who tells a bad joke

[@ShakaarGaleed]

The speed they fly at is directly proportional to how bad the joke is. When told "the worst joke in the world" is when it went supersonic.

[@Ironimperial]

@@ShakaarGaleed ah thanks for the clarification! I knew it was something like that but either way it's hilarious 😂

[@jokeyxero]

In Unveiling, it's noted that the Gardener wanted to introduce a mechanic to the game that would let the rules change. I've always taken this to mean paracausality in general, but the Ahamkara quite literally change the rules of the game constantly. What if the Vex are actually the First Knife and a result of the Ahamkara?

[@papercamera2989]

wouldnt the vex being around during the flower game as the dominate pattern and as such that they are the most dominate form of causality (due to their domination in every pre-paracausal universe) but cannot understand paracausality contradict this?

[@jokeyxero]

@@papercamera2989It doesn't actually say the Vex were the pattern, it just heavily implies that via word choice. Most of the lore does point that direction though. And maybe they were, and the Ahamkara are also the new rule instead of paracausality in general. That idea doesn't require the Vex to be anything other than what we already think they are. I was lumping two ideas together due to some other random hints at other interpretations.

[@somepeopleamazeme]

Video actually starts at 3:13

[@silverthehero1295]

If the Ahamkara were following the Traveler, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Witness encountered them before, captured and dissected them.

[@joshhusted6615]

This is bringing me to more questions about the other Precursors we have met, the Precursor Vex.

[@duality5785]

A small theory on whose memory the stike location is from What if it's parts / a part of Rivens memory? She IS the entire reason we got into the pale heart, maybe she wrote it into an unsaid part of the bargain? Just a small theory

[@garrettviewegh9028]

I love your use of analogies to explain the lore, and the more complex terminology for certain level names, really reflects the lore and deeper narrative/thought, the writers put into how the Final Shape effects the whole cast going forward. I'm looking forward to seeing how Zavala will change going forward, what role he'll play. We see as much that ex-Guardians, like Eris and Osiris, had to do some soul searching to find a new role for themselves to be of use and find peace after losing their Ghosts. Eris took on the role of an arcane witch that knows the darker lore of the universe, while Osiris embraced the roles, of teacher, negotiator, and advisor, and scholar. Where before, he was too fixated on saving the universe, now? He doesn't need to be, or at least doesn't have the time anymore. Instead, he's focused on mediating alliances between our allies, and putting his centuries of knowledge to use.

[@ProffessorWaffle]

The ahamakara memories could've manifested in the traveler when cayde was resurrected by riven. Since cayde was a part of the traveler when he was dead, and in his resurrection cutscene at the start of final shape you see riven pulling him/therefore interacting with the traveler.

[@ethanshackleton]

The witness and the the wish dragons?

[@kriscerosaurus]

Stream was real cool. Hated to miss the raid-along, but looking forward to seeing the vid.

[@YeahNahNopeAndUhnUhn]

Crow was the first guardian through to the Pale Heart. The wish dragons and taken could be a part of his memories or even his connection to Mara Sov. In each room there are two except for the beginning and the end. The first could represent the one that is in Warlord's Ruin. The pairs could represent Riven and it's mate who's eggs we procured. While that may leave the 6th at a mystery, it could also be Riven's ghost that we used to complete the 15th wish. The Pale Heart is a representation of memories, yet there are no Fallen or Vex. In the Impasse, there are Taken and Dread. If the taken represent the fallen, the fallen can In turn represent old battles. The dread can represent the present. The lost city where the Cabal have a stronghold can be represented by the early version of the tower. The Impasse however is a really good example of a limital space. If you look at the layout. Where you spawn is where you were resurrected. Towards the passage to get to The Blooming is the same way you go on your journey to getting to the Last City. But what is the space in the other direction where the highway ends. Which direction represents where we came in and which direction matches where we would leave out?

[@nfleagles8282]

The fact that we used an ahamkara wish to enter the pale heart could have something to do with the bones and such, no?

[@jshtng78]

A bit late but though it's normally thought that the Traveller stopped being able to resist the Witness once it was infiltrated, the abnormal environment might actually be the continuation of that resistance as the Traveller tries to grow its own structure in ways that remind the Witness' chorus of what it has done, but unfortunately the Traveller didn't understand or have time to understand that they couldn't see what it was showing them. That's why it then needed the Guardians to actually enter the Witness' mind paracausally to shut down its component minds.

[@derangedberger]

I think it's also important how the term liminality was coined. Rather than transitional spaces, it was coined to refer specifically to people. Liminality is the state of change in a person during which they have begun to transition out of their old self, but before they have become who they will be when the change is done. It can be used in various contexts, such as puberty, coming of age, or rites of passage. It's the state between outsider and insider of a group, between child and adult. More than *just* being about change, it's about a state during which change has not yet completed. Zavala is certainly in this state.

[@trelljohnson1042]

this expansion and its trailers brought me back like the ghost did in the begging of destiny 1 after seven years of not even thinking about the game definitely worth experiencing

[@RyleeOfCourse]

Could it be that Riven, when she sent Crow, had her memories entangled in the Pale Heart due to that contact?

[@Masterbates-Conner]

That's a good one, but I personally think it might be ikora I think I remember her talking about how she participated in the great amakara hunt

[@MatthewDorman-ls5mq]

If I remember correctly in the beginning of tfs campaign either your ghost or another character says " it's all so familiar... yet different." Or something to that extent.

[@kbuh8919]

Byf, Curse Of the Windows: Update

[@nickkurzy2246]

That tormenter just said "no" to the super

[@kanaancross317]

A good example of liminality is found in the back room. Imagine an office space where there is no one there

[@Shloshy]

When we get the Raid video, do we also get the stream? Streams r just the best thing to put on to sleep. Never ending Byf voice lullaby :)

[@ravenstales6457]

The description of a liminal space is enviromental horror, thank you

[@fysy9989]

I am just sad we will never experience Lance's version of Zavala in Final Shape. There are a lot of emotional moments where I am sure he would have done a fantastic job

[@JM1992]

Definitely need another season with Ahamkara to know more

[@AtomicPuma9]

You know, I’m almost beginning To wonder if in the “Frontiers” expansion if we will see the precursor’s home world. The vanguard looking for answers as to what exactly these echos are made of that take us back to the actual birthplace of the Witness. Just a hunch and then giving us just a small glimpse as to what their civilization would look like here and now and then showing us a full destination based on that has huge potential. And could easily become a top 3 destination.

[@nathanflinchum1153]

I’d love to see the result of an ahamkara receiving one of the Echoes of the witness

[@coolpantcate2147]

Great video as always! Just also wanted to point out the grammatical error in the thumbnail as it says 'the' twice. "The Witness & THE THE Wish Dragons"

[@theaugur1373]

It’s fascinating to me that we need a ghost to wield the light, but don’t need anything to wield the darkness.

[@SugarShaneT]

I think ahamkara are a creation of light and dark

[@SugarShaneT]

Like the awoken but instead of a battle it was a genuine connection

[@nathansamuelson]

Telling people to check out SCP is like telling Alice to look into that rabbit hole over there

[@IAmL.]

With the knowledge of both the lore tab for Mataiodoxia and the visual of the memories of location that are present in Liminality, I'm almost compelled to believe the stripping of flesh, muscle, and bone might've been in reference to an experiment the Witness performed on one- or possibly many- unfortunate wish dragon. It could explain why so many varying Ahamkara skeletal structures are present across the strike, when all we've really seen are the bones found in Warlord's Ruin and what was left of Riven's corpse during the introductory mission of Season of the Wish. Perhaps to get a better understanding of these creatures, the Witness did the unthinkable and imprisoned and slowly dissected what wish dragons It could get Its many hands on.

[@Ellimist]

Ah a new Byf video to listen to on lunch. My day is made!

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

Zavala's epic clap back against Ikora and Cayde was stressful but so dang good to hear. The Commander was absolutely right. Zavala got dragged for doing the right thing before and his closest, most trusted ally called him a coward for it in a fit of passion. Now, Ikora was the one paralyzed by inaction, when they had no leads and no time to lose. We would have lost if not for Zavala. Even under stress he had everyone's best interests in mind. He did the right thing back then in Forsaken, and he did the necessary thing now in the Pale Heart. And he had every right to say it out loud. Besides, the ordeal made them even tighter in the end and grew respect around the whole table.

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, a veiled statue in the middle of a town.

[@tzf-ph1zh]

Is it possible that wish dragons nature is that of light/dark? Using “wish magic” to grant wishes by using darkness to take someone’s desire and the light to manifest and make the wish tangible? Like If I wished for a new weapon the dragon could use the power of darkness (mind and conscious) to take that desire and light (pure energy of creation) to manifest it into reality. Almost how the pale heart is presented to us in the way it is, a place made up of memories manifested into physical form by the light. It’s a huge and far shot theory with probably a few gaps as I am not well transversed in the lore as others but could that be why the wish dragons possibly followed in the travelers wake.

[@ravenstales6457]

byf, now you gave me an interesting theory; What if the wish dragons were *made* by the traveler?

[@RoachofSol]

Off topic but does anyone think we're going back to the original resting place of Saint 14 in the Infinite Forest to see if he's the og?

[@Mangacide]

When I think about "following in the Traveler's wake"; I think of dolphins.

[@feralprocessor9853]

Straight away, unloading everything into the Witness.

[@wolfdragon1170]

Man, I really hope we get more with the Ahamkara. I love anything and everything that has and would have to do with them, especially directly. Like, I want to learn more about the history of them. Their origins, before everything we know about them, like in reference with the Harmony. . . Though I will admit that it would likely tear me apart to know what the Witness and the Hive really did to them. . . So maybe not that part. But everything else? YES PLEASE! Especially their future. If we guardians have to ally ourselves with any particular factions or peoples, my light will be devoted to Mara Sov and Riven and Taranis's clutch.

[@maurog.ocaranza4142]

Aztec and Byf? my fav Titan and my fav Warlock? hell yeah

[@nickgrout2502]

Aren't they both warlock mains now tho? /j

[@MrTV-cs3mu]

I would love to see a battle between the witness and the wish Dragons 🐉

[@samster248]

Never thought I’d be hearing about the backrooms and the infinite IKEA in a D2 lore video

[@MasonJF19]

❤❤ I always appreciate Byf lore videos ^_^

[@elb1503]

Random SCP shout by Byf. Truly, we live in a time.

[@lethososdonkeypuncher6585]

Another good example of liminal spaces is the Minecraft mod, The Corners. It's a set of dimensions that, IMO, feels really off thanks to the use of shaders.

[@Poseidon-1]

Congrats on the sponsor you deserve it all

[@tysonkrunek4132]

The raid along I am looking forward to. Love the content

[@psyphonyxaudio]

26:02 - Flowers. Are these any way linked or similar to the content of Savathun Throne world? The colour and look seems similar.

[@kingnight4823]

The traveler was not wrong, though the sacrifice of his ghost Zavala got info desperately needed.

[@Shabunger]

No way bro brought up the Infinite IKEA SCP in a Bungie sponsored video

[@vgernyc]

I think the Witness used various species to build the ritual to enact The Final Shape. One of which are the Ahamkara using their wish magic to make the impossible, possible. However because of their Faustian side effects, our presence and us killing the Witness is the price The Witness has to pay for enacting its ritual that would have resulting in the death of the Traveler.

[@GoodShepheardGames]

Maybe the guardians represent free will, choice, the new rule the gardener puts into the game, the "chaos" that must always be able to spark off and create something new.

[@nccasilla4026]

Guess the lore or liminality was so abstract that bungie had to pay byf to figure it out for the rest of us, lol.

[@geradbrown1663]

What your describing Byf sounds like the World Between in Elden Ring.

[@troyhodge2786]

I didn’t think that Byf would give a SCP recommendation

[@henriquealvarenga9244]

Didn't expect for the backrooms to be mentioned in my destiny lore video

[@JR-17]

I can’t wait for our vanguard to be dragon riders

[@halfhero]

What is a climbing frame, jungle gym is clearly the lore accurate name for playful scaffolding

[@gerardoayuso9002]

Would of been really cool if the dragons played a part in the expansion

[@benakinnusi2518]

“ABOUT A WEEK AGOO🗣️”

[@DarthDoom-2014]

That the lava is not lava, but actually the traveler blooding is very sickening. Are you sure, the ahamkara bones are just memorys? It`s strange, because there is no reason to remember them at that moment and the strike-boss is the tormentor of the ahamkara. It sounds more like the ahamkara wre in the peal heart and the witness ordered the tormentor to destroy them. (They can change reality at will, which means they can change the final shape at will.) They also say in the strike, that the ahamkara are helping them. Probably they want us to enact their revenge on the tormentor. Sidenote: I don`t think we have to border with consequences by using ahamkara magic here. The point of season of the wish was, that ahamkara aren`t just hungry monsters, which only live to feast, but are normal living beings with feelings. (Remember Warlords Ruin) They just wanted there revenge and that`s all. I don`t think they want to use our wishes against us after bringing their revenge to the tormentor. (Also you are still worried about Crows wish to bring back Cayde. You sholdn`t be. In the loretab with Crows wish Riven says as Mara to Crow that she is sorry for all her manipulation on him. Caydes return was Rivens apology to Crow.)

[@mooks74]

Why was it when you were explaining liminal spaces I was getting vibes of the langoliers.

[@Ins0mn3sia]

I wonder if the skulls we see are our memories of..Riven? I mean, there's obvious pyramidal/witness influence. But, why would Ahamkara respond to Taken essence? (yes, there's "because game") Our knowledge of Riven is that of a Taken Ahamkara. So, memories of Ahamkara responding to Taken energies..Riven would make sense. The Guts in the walls.. I'm not sure, but Queenswalk had us running inside her to the heart, nevermind wherever the heart teleports us to. We've never known Riven as a pure Ahamkara, unless you want to treat the spirit as such.

[@Masterbates-Conner]

Join byf next time on: try not to get sidetracked talking about SCP's (I love it when you ramble about even more cool stuff, byf the lore master)

[@vitthaltiwary4436]

I know you might already know about this but there's double "the" in the thumbnail "The Witness and The The Wish Dragons".